The Mod Is Mafia (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

I agree. Also, last reminder....I'm VLA for a bit. Real vacation style!

It's not like it matters Diamond is scum and his buddies don't want to save him so we're stalled.

How many times do you need to be wrong before you finally realize that you need to step the fuck back from games before you fuck up irreparably?

How many times do you need to imply that I suck versus addressing my points?

Scum did the same thing then had to vig me in Elemental Trinity.

[MathBlade]

I townread N_M and the fact Mastina hasn't given Not Mafia a mod kill or warning and/or locked the thread or given a flip in the format of the others makes me think that is fake.

Be back in an hour.

[MathBlade]

V/LAtoday due to job then RL role pm of giving candy to trick or treaters

[MathBlade]

Work and RL stuff be on late tonight

[MathBlade]

I lied I am super tired. Will respond later but I skimmed. I am okay with Theta Diamond or RM. will respond when not sleepy math walking

[MathBlade]

Math, mm4 read and your thoughts on them not wanting to lynch someone in your pool?

ebwop

Town lean

Not agreeing with me on reads is not alignment indicative. It's infuriating but I look more at why and how they say what they say and if I believe it makes to them or not.

[MathBlade]

mOST IMPORTANTLY IS THAT cREATURE REPEATEDLY SCUMCASED YOU AND COMPLAINED ABOUT HIS CASE BEING DELETED. tHE WAY YOU RESPONDED TO MY ACCUSATION DOESN'T COME FROM A TOWN MINDSET. iNSTEAD OF SAYING HE WAS WRONG, YOU'VE OPTED TO SAY THE CASE DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH WAS CLEARLY THE SCUMS'S WISH TO DELETE FROM THE GAME.

name me a point of this "scum case" shit because what i remember is creature saying i was active as town, and inactive as scum. i then linked my two most recent scumgamed- i was the most active player in both- and he fucking ignored it. so yes, I have refuted the case. and no, IF THE CASE WAS MEANT TO BE DELETED FOR THE GAME SCUM WOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING LEFT IT IN THE GAME. THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW IT WORKS ANYWAY. LIKE WHY THE FUCK DO SCUM DELETE SPAMPOSTS ABOUT A PLAYER WHEN IT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE REMEMBERED? THE DELETE POWER ISN'T GOING TO DELETE ENTIRE PUSHES, THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. All you have even done here is push an angle that all scum deletes will be targeted at scum and that is a viable platform to lynch people on, which is. just fucking no.

This post really Town pinged me.

[MathBlade]

ghost you should vote diamond! Unless you already are.

Game needs a flip.

Agreed here.

May you get a lot of UV rays and be happy this holiday season.

Yay for randomMath again.

[MathBlade]

To be honest, people trusting their own judgement makes sense considering that Mulch was too busy digging his own grave to actually attempt to scumhunt or anything.

However, I will be open to discussion of Creature's reads and content, if anyone happens to remember what it says (and you can get a couple people to back you up, make sure you aren't a lying scumfuck)

Let me guess if Theta flips town, you'll say it's all his fault too?

Let me guess you'll start providing actual content on page 314?

[MathBlade]

So anyway diamond's still scum. Like still blown away that he called kise scum for crumbing vanilla town that makes absolute zero sense.

Theta I forget is in the game sometimes and kinda made a show of his readslist might be scum?? Don't really know.
Kise you checked out? Cuz you haven't posted content today? I don't think?
Radiant moonlight meh? Still think they could flip scum but I've got better scumreads.
Stalfos still don't really know. Kinda want to scumread them but don't know if they townread diamond as partners. That's probably shallow.
Mario is killing what I'm killing I think. So whatever. Like I said there the case is pretty balls for the most part.


Not_mafia might be scum.


Smocaine I want to lock-townread but keep telling myself no.
camn has me pocketed! help!

aronis is town but is getting vig'd anyway so great.


ghostlin, you're not my type, but you're probably town.
mathblade is obvious scum.
massive is massive.

Probably forgot someone

I think grapes needs a vacation because those reads damage my eyes. Makes me wanna cry. Like you seriously think I am bussing Diamond here?

[MathBlade]

First that would require me scum (hint: I am not) and it would require me to do so when he had no pressure. Cmon dude...

Don't make me go to the grape farm and yank all the roots up to find the bad one.

[MathBlade]

Mulch - 10 (Radiant Moonlight, Stalfos, Maestro, Ghostlin, massive, Kise, Not_Mafia, Smocaine, CheekyTeeky, Mulch) L

Scumslip from Diamond Sentinel that RM was the first player on and they pushed and the other three are on the wagon?

If so then in Stalfos, Maestro (now UnaBombaH), Ghostlin, Massive, Kise, Not_Mafia, and Smocaine would be three scum.

Thoughts Smocaine?

[MathBlade]

Correction the other two since Diamond is not on it.

[MathBlade]

Why would you assume heavy scum presence on the wagon when you think Mulch was digging his own grave?

I think that they were on it

precisely

because he was digging his own grave. He's low-hanging fruit for starters. My guess is that it started with 1 or 2 people pressuring him, and then once he started to crumble, everyone, including the rest of the scum, joined in and started kicking him while he was down. It happens most games in some capacity.

Nobody's going to question who's on that wagon

normally

. But I'm not a normal player, and this assertion is just dumb enough to work.

To borrow your wording this seems to precise it feels too concrete without a basis in fact so it makes me think you're saying what happened with guess and most words to try to seem townie.

[MathBlade]

Alright Mathblade. You're speaking english, and saying words, and I know what they mean on their own. But I have no

fucking

idea what on earth you're trying to say with any of this.

So where did I lose you?

The fact I think you're truthtelling scum in order to try to be townread versus scumhunting?

[MathBlade]

First that would require me scum (hint: I am not) and it would require me to do so when he had no pressure. Cmon dude...

Don't make me go to the grape farm and yank all the roots up to find the bad one.

WHAT WAS THIS AN ANSWER TO???

It bothers me so much, I think I read the original post(??), and thought this was a good answer.
And now this post from MathBlade feels very fake, because there's no point of reference.

I think Mathblade is town.

This was in reference to grapes' reads list which I thought sucked. Specifically he has me and Diamond as scum together and I was pointing out the absurdity of that.

[MathBlade]

Are there any PR-claims that should be taken seriously?

Are there any PR's for that matter?

...I don't think scum would be dumb enough to ask this after two Town PR flips.

Maestro's town.

[MathBlade]

Intervening, not a fan of the Diamond lynch. Someone tl;dr to me why he's scum because I see no reason to think so beyond Snarky powerlurking.

I think this should be obvious but this game is mostly being run by Key now as a heads up. This is the first time I've been on in like a week. There's a lot I can say about Day 1 that might be helpful to people but I don't really think I can go into it much without putting a lot of the blame on Mulch, and that's not who I am. At the end of the day it was my fault. The short of it is that while I'm incredibly disappointed in both my and Mulch's play, and that normally this would fill me with the fire to slaughter these bastards and leave them impaled on my spear, I have not been able to dedicate any time to this game. I've come to terms with it so I don't really feel I can get across how much I hate it, but I've already cried over it twice.

I'm trying to transition my role to serving as a sanity check on Key's reads/thought processes. That said that's more for her sake rather than the game's so I'm sorry I can't contribute more. I cannot make any sacrifices for this game, what I'm dealing with is just too important, and I'm sorry.

-Prism

You see no reason?

Despite his read list being faked, having no way of keeping Diamond accountable for what he says, his bullshit regarding me earlier in the day. More like there is no reason that Diamond is Town and the fact this wagon stalled only reaffirms to me that Diamond is scum.

[MathBlade]

Keeping reads to ourselves until me and Titus get a chance to talk

I'm going to bed. gnite

Eat rope RC. Still haven't seen the self vote either.

Gee it is like I called it.

@Mulch This is why you don't do shit like what you did. I told you it gets forgotten. Now RM or Diamond are gonna coast after the other flips.

*bangs head against wall*

[MathBlade]

Intervening, not a fan of the Diamond lynch. Someone tl;dr to me why he's scum because I see no reason to think so beyond Snarky powerlurking.

I think this should be obvious but this game is mostly being run by Key now as a heads up. This is the first time I've been on in like a week. There's a lot I can say about Day 1 that might be helpful to people but I don't really think I can go into it much without putting a lot of the blame on Mulch, and that's not who I am. At the end of the day it was my fault. The short of it is that while I'm incredibly disappointed in both my and Mulch's play, and that normally this would fill me with the fire to slaughter these bastards and leave them impaled on my spear, I have not been able to dedicate any time to this game. I've come to terms with it so I don't really feel I can get across how much I hate it, but I've already cried over it twice.

I'm trying to transition my role to serving as a sanity check on Key's reads/thought processes. That said that's more for her sake rather than the game's so I'm sorry I can't contribute more. I cannot make any sacrifices for this game, what I'm dealing with is just too important, and I'm sorry.

-Prism

You see no reason?

Despite his read list being faked, having no way of keeping Diamond accountable for what he says, his bullshit regarding me earlier in the day. More like there is no reason that Diamond is Town and the fact this wagon stalled only reaffirms to me that Diamond is scum.

Isn't Grapes pushing Diamond too? Mulch and Theta's wagons stalled. Does that make them mafia?

Logical fallacy.

Yes those wagons stalled (Theta I waffle on) but that isn't the primary cause.

It's more that if someone is scum this is much more likely hence reaffirming the read.

[MathBlade]

Looking at this list, I'm guessing that Mulch's wagon is scumdriven. Probably have every scum on there.

Really? Not a single scum off the wagon? Everyone wanted Mulch's mislynch so badly you don't think someone wouldn't want to be off it so they could go "it wasn't my idea" later?

I question the thought process that goes "this one wagon. All the scum are on this. Done." And I'm not even fucking trying this game

Nope. I am entirely confident that every scum can be found on that wagon. Call it the ravings of a madman if you like, but it makes sense to me.

So you townread me then?

You're scummy, but do to my assertion that all scum were on mulch, then yes, that makes you town.

Wut.

I guess I can award plus points for consistency; if I wasn't taking away points for horrible linear scumhunting and not following through with your scum reads for a gimmick.

I'd be happy if people quit using points altogether and just made decisions as to whether someone is Town scum or no fucking clue.

[MathBlade]

Hey hey, in the interests of lowering the replacement rate in this game because I'm pretty sure it's hell on you guys, is there anything I/other players can do to help you get a hold of things?

Very straightforward readslists would help me.
Top to bottom, town to scum.
Colors might even help digesting.

^^this would honestly help me the most, because the thing that is currently hardest for me, is to try and understand who townreads who, and why.
Scumreads are easy to find, just read votes, but I think finding the clearest townreads help me either to agree or disagree, and therefore help me in sorting you guys.

Readlists are always harder to fake, than to actually do.

Lol UnaBombaH I have sworn off readslists actually so request denied. Ever since Gistou where lists fermented myself as a townread despite the number of words I realized that reads lists are a tool of manipulation and I would rather you see my consistency.

[MathBlade]

Can we get a VC? I need one urgently.

Soon!

I know I have been posting them because Mastina doesn't but I had a dinner.

Tonight I swear.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.315

DiamondSentinel(6)

~ Radiant Moonlight, grapes, MathBlade, massive, Kise, Smocaine

Theta Alpine(2)

~ DiamondSentinel, Stalfos

Smocaine(2)

~ Ghostlin, MarioManiac4

Radiant Moonlight(1)

~ Maestro

MarioManiac4(1)

~ camn

CheekyTeeky(1)

~ Not_Mafia


Not Voting (2): Aronis, Theta Alpine

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in 5 days, 18 hours, 39 minutes

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[MathBlade]

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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To use the vote counter tool:

Go to the link below:
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Use f=3&t=73390
for the thread shortened
use 2070 for the post number

If MM4 gets replaced then make a new post with the new settings and then reference that on the page. It's OldPlayer was replaced by New Player, OldPlayer:NewPlayer etc.

If you get funky errors just let me know. It's still ugly as fuck but I've been using it for a bit (well without the customer facing interface for a bit now. And with mastina being afk it looks like we may need vote counts more than what I can do as I work.

[MathBlade]

I'm working on something that would expose the wagon data but those settings are harder to make "user friendly".

If your vote is in the wrong spot please let me know.

I believe it catches most "close enough" votes.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: hebichan

Apparently I need to handle voting for the dead....:/

Thanks Not_Mafia. Not sure how a mod would handle that. I don't know whether I'm being sarcastic or serious with my thanks.

[MathBlade]

Hey hey, in the interests of lowering the replacement rate in this game because I'm pretty sure it's hell on you guys, is there anything I/other players can do to help you get a hold of things?

Very straightforward readslists would help me.
Top to bottom, town to scum.
Colors might even help digesting.

^^this would honestly help me the most, because the thing that is currently hardest for me, is to try and understand who townreads who, and why.
Scumreads are easy to find, just read votes, but I think finding the clearest townreads help me either to agree or disagree, and therefore help me in sorting you guys.

Readlists are always harder to fake, than to actually do.

Lol UnaBombaH I have sworn off readslists actually so request denied. Ever since Gistou where lists fermented myself as a townread despite the number of words I realized that reads lists are a tool of manipulation and I would rather you see my consistency.

You have reads, yes? You could organize them or just say who you want to eat rope.

I could yes...But considering it's 11 PM and I have an ISO and I'm pretty clear on my scum reads in my ISO I'm gonna say I'm gonna sleep instead.

[MathBlade]

I don't think that Mathblade/DS is ever scum v scum based on the whole pronouns thing. I think if there was bussing that this conflict wouldn't have happened ever.
I also think that they might just both be town and MathBlade is going idiotic derptunnel mode and DS is just being bad, not that I'm confident in either but I kinda want to lynch elsewhere.

This should be fun. Tell me scum who do you wanna lynch instead?

[MathBlade]

Unfortunately most of the game is cut and trying to figure out reads working backward is an exercise in futility. I regret joining this game because I feel like removing the past makes this game phenomenally difficult to play let alone the fact that no one would want to replace into a game where you can't catch up on the past.

Kise is someone I'm interested in that hasn't gotten much impression. He hasn't really done anything I townread and I vaguely recall scumreading stuff and I don't like his push on me.

Especially if MathBlade is town there was some other scum on that wagon

Most of the game isn't cut. Small bits yes. But not most. Mastina deleting some of my VCs and other stuff is annoying but it's still all here for the most part. I've also gotten in the habit of saving important things.

[MathBlade]

Like I personally don't like to play in real time and it sabotages my reads and not having most of the game makes it really difficult for me to care.

I'm confused don't we usually play real time RC? Maybe work with Titus. I know she's a real time poster.

It's not like the thread has hundreds of posts to keep up with.

[MathBlade]

I'm gonna go to bed but I don't like how you're talking about Yume when your vote is on DS. Trying to save your buddy?

[MathBlade]

A player has Pm'd me. It is not alignment indicative but calling it out and telling Mastina.

[MathBlade]

I am at work but carrying on for now.

[MathBlade]

I don't suppose you're able to tell us what went on with you and the PM stuff?

Probably not.

I wouldn't risk it. Just that it isn't alignment indicative and imho would have no impact but to be transparent I had to call it out. However if said person who PM'd me that message I am more than willing to respond here.

[MathBlade]

I don't suppose you're able to tell us what went on with you and the PM stuff?

Probably not.

I wouldn't risk it. Just that it isn't alignment indicative and imho would have no impact but to be transparent I had to call it out. However if said person who PM'd me that message I am more than willing to respond here.

i was under the assumption that cluttering the thread here with bug reports would - in fact - be in bad taste and possibly more against the rules then just private messaging you the bug report like i did

that said i will go ahead and admit that i caused the fiasco by sending mathblade an error i experienced with his votecount tool over a private message
well and a suggestion to make it better
but no content directly related to the game that was not included within the error itself

Agreed.

Sorry for instantly reporting it but in a bastard game I figured it best to reach out and be honest.

And to answer your question I am looking into the bug you posted to me.

And I wanted to have the settings in thread rather than be able to enter as it is a lot easier to validate no one is going to send a malicious request that way.

[MathBlade]

And if you're really concerned spoiler tags are amazing.

[MathBlade]

Vote counter is back up and fixed sorry!!

I made a typo in the code I fixed.

[MathBlade]

In other news Diamond and RM still top scumreads.

I am gonna reevaluate my Theta read though time permitting. Feels like that switch is to try to save Diamond and I don't know if Diamond would pick one of his buddies a second time today.

[MathBlade]

My scumhunting is not scumhunting. I'm a newbie, and I suck.
It is a correct assumption that my posts so far haven't been very genuine, I don't even deny that.
But that is mostly how I start all of my games, and move on from there.
And HOW can YOU say that me getting readslists doesn't help me?

You were night 1 kill in Newbie 1825. I think you're better than you think, just untrained.

For example, DS is waffling so hard on your slot, they should open a Waffle House and start selling them. Your instinct to call them out is correct, but I would've been like "which one is it? Am I genuine or not?"

Which one is it, DS? Do you accept his explanation or not?

Quote thief. Quit stealing my Waffle House quote.

Jk live and let live and I agree with Ghostlin's.

[MathBlade]

@Unabombah What I find gets people to enjoy Mafia is just start talking.

A reads list unless you know what you're looking for doesn't help things.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.Tipsy

DiamondSentinel(4)

~ Radiant Moonlight, grapes, MathBlade, massive

Aronis(3)

~ Smocaine, Stalfos, Kise

Smocaine(2)

~ Ghostlin, MarioManiac4

Theta Alpine(1)

~ DiamondSentinel

Stalfos(1)

~ Aronis

Radiant Moonlight(1)

~ Maestro

MarioManiac4(1)

~ camn


Not Voting (1): Theta Alpine

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in 2 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

Hard Cider is amazing

[MathBlade]

Aronis is playing like this to just get out of the game?

I'm thinking the fact that Diamond didn't get lynched actually implicates the slot.
Why?
Because I feel like mostly townies are being inactive, and scum have no reason to buss Diamond in this gamestate.
If Diamond were to be a townie, scum could've just slowly hammered during the days to go to night quicker.

Smocaine, don't give up! Just have a little more DETERMINATION.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

This is the exact same progression as the town!mulch wagon last phase. Zero enthusiasm and stalling for weeks into a dl lynch. It's sketchy.

We should have everyone do what I was doing have a couple of favorite beverages of your choice. (Non alcoholic if you're a minor)

[MathBlade]

P O L I C Y
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T H I S

For all of your complaints about content I don't see much here that's actually content.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.Tipsy

DiamondSentinel(4)

~ Radiant Moonlight, grapes, MathBlade, massive

Aronis(3)

~ Smocaine, Stalfos, Kise

Smocaine(2)

~ Ghostlin, MarioManiac4

Theta Alpine(1)

~ DiamondSentinel

Stalfos(1)

~ Aronis

Radiant Moonlight(1)

~ Maestro

MarioManiac4(1)

~ camn


Not Voting (1): Theta Alpine

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in 2 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

Hard Cider is amazing

Interestingly I'm not on this votecount at all..!

Sorry I forgot to add you to the replacements string doh! Guess that happens when doing things tipsy

I will redo it later sorry!!!

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.315

DiamondSentinel(6)

~ Radiant Moonlight, grapes, MathBlade, massive, UnaBombaH, Not_Mafia

Aronis(3)

~ Smocaine, Stalfos, Kise

Smocaine(2)

~ Ghostlin, MarioManiac4

Theta Alpine(1)

~ DiamondSentinel

Stalfos(1)

~ Aronis

MarioManiac4(1)

~ camn


Not Voting (1): Theta Alpine

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in 1 day, 20 hours, 17 minutes

Pedit BOOOOO I just got my stuff done Now you're actually here I feel bad.

[MathBlade]

Uhmmmm is Mastina like infinite shot strongman or something Diamond?

Scumslip?

I was actually writing my unvote post til I saw that in the pedit

[MathBlade]

Don't replace into bastard gaames if shitposting isn't up your alley. I highly recommend replacing out if you need usb to handhold your way to not being lynched.

I shouldn't have to avoid a game because you idiots can't not spew useless bullshit for entire pages at a time.

And I don't need anyone handholding my way to not be lynched. I need people to not be stupid.

PEdit: Are you fucking retarded, Math? This is stupid beyond belief. I can't roleblock Mastina to stop the kill, and then that leaves a tiny chance of actually blocking the kill from the other end.

I've never once seen a doctor save someone from a kill in all of my games, so I only ever see Jailkeeper as a roleblocker.

Except if I read the rules right you like fucking can.

[MathBlade]

However, I CAN be sent to do the nightkill if the scumteam so chooses to elect me to do so.
I am therefore a valid target of any night action myself.
Though I am incredibly limited in what I can/can't say, I am permitted to vaguely help the mafia in their planning.

More likely you were afraid of me.

Or you were so wasteful with your Alien it was crap.

[MathBlade]

If you actually were an Alien you

should

have without a doubt targeted Mastina.

[MathBlade]

What no words?
Being caught scum got your tongue?

[MathBlade]

Whelp I am going to bed.

DiamondSentinel still need rope.

[MathBlade]

Like this pisses me off.

You link to Alien call it a normal Jailkeeper which is clearly not true.

"Jailkeep" me when you know it would fuck up with anything I do and anyone trying to visit me.

Like then when I point out it should have been Mastina with an infinite shot strongman joke you have the nerve to say I can't process your posts right?

I want nothing to do with you and deadlines and hammers can't come fast enough.

Good night.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.315

DiamondSentinel(5)

~ Radiant Moonlight, grapes, MathBlade, massive, UnaBombaH

Aronis(4)

~ Smocaine, Stalfos, Kise, camn

Theta Alpine(2)

~ DiamondSentinel, Toranaga

Stalfos(1)

~ Aronis

Smocaine(1)

~ Ghostlin

massive(1)

~ Not_Mafia


Not Voting (1): Theta Alpine

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2017-11-13 21:30:19)

Fixed a bug where the countdown won't count down. Will be on later today hopefully.

[MathBlade]

1. I'm not fooled by fakehammers, @RM
2. You guys are still idiots. I was indeed a townie.
3. Good luck losing, fucking dumbasses.

You know, this kinda "burn it all down, fuck this, I'm town, fucking losers" is neither an impressive AtE or makes me want to play with you again.

Spoiler alert: your stupidity makes me want to not play with you either.

Guess what? I may suck as Town but I atleast get not to call people stupid.

[MathBlade]

~ ARE YOU WILLING TO LYNCH KISE TOMORROW ~

Ill tell you tomorrow.

Pretty townie

Pretty townie

[MathBlade]

Been over that. you're not as good at scum as you think you are mate.

So DS RM and Kise

Please keep scumclaiming. Makes things so much easier.

[MathBlade]

Holy moly I almost said something similar after your previous post

Maybe I'm related to you too. Strange stuff

Maybe but then you'd have to also be related to Titus and the government would be involved...And relation doesn't make same alignments. Else Titus and RM would be Town with me.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 3.1

grapes(2)

~ Smocaine, camn

Not Voting (11): MathBlade, Aronis, Theta Alpine, Toranaga, Stalfos, UnaBombaH, Not_Mafia, Ghostlin, Kise, grapes, Radiant Moonlight

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2017-11-13 21:30:19)

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Just a point for when I go back and look at data

[MathBlade]

I have the flu at the moment so not posting much but anytime I post a VC I am using my automated vote counter which gives me text I copy into the quick reply field. Doing automated logins would require mod permission and a level of complexity I don't want to go to until I get the engine blessed and there's a couple other things I want to do first

[MathBlade]

@grapes explain the DS claim yesterday?

[MathBlade]

Hmmmm

Gunsmith Neopolitan Alien ??shot or perma shot vig
And

An additional Jailkeeper

Who coincidentally also visits me day one and on day two doesn't submit

And we have one less kill today than yesterday?

VOTE: grapes

RC is just trying to save grapes.

That is it. It's really that simple.

[MathBlade]

Yea this game's especially fucked now.

I'm a jailkeeper and thought diamond must have been fakeclaiming because lol alien and jailkeeper in the same setup...
My thought process was pretty much that I was already not sure what world exists where some of diamond's posting comes from town; also wanted to keep my role under wraps and make sure the lynch went through.

I might've not even had to claim anything if not for the lame wagon that crept up on aronis towards the end. I'm townreading him for the most part and it looked scumdriven to save diamond so kinda paniced.

I jailed math N1 and didn't get a chance to action N2- my fault been busy.

in this game you thought the mod giving town 2 of the same role was unlikely

in this game
the one where the mod wins with mafia and thus has no obligation to prevent such misunderstandings

She has no obligation to prevent misunderstandings yes.

But we've seen two VTs flip and a Neopolitan.

This means this isn't role madness.

Yes Mastina wants to win. But grapes claim is literally unverifiable because Alien makes me untargetable.

So in other words grapes is full of shit.

[MathBlade]

So was Grapes trying to save Aronis?

Quite possibly I want to review that.

I am much more certain of RM being scum than Aronis regardless.

RC is a competent scum player.

[MathBlade]

Mafia jailkeeper to protect from/block the vig, right?

That is my thoughts.

Only thing nagging me is why RC isn't pushing grapes.

Like RC is obv scum but not pushing grapes.

I think RC is trying to save grapes but why? Is this just a mass bus from scum day to get cred?

What am I missing?

[MathBlade]

Since apparently this actually needs to be said

there's virtually zero scum motivation for Grapes as a heavily townread player to throw his slot into jeopardy for the sake of keeping alive his scumbuddy
there's plenty of mislynchable townies, there's plenty of tvt conflict, scum aren't desperate they're winning. it's not something that would ever happen.

immediately when I saw Grapes claim that guilty I figured this was exactly what was happening but we didn't have enough time in the day to work anything out and I was fine getting rid of DS for policy lynches reasons because he was a dick to Math.

And I take it to you misgendering someone isn't a dick move?

Like you're also phrasing this superweird.

The argument is grapes wanted JK dead so fake claimed. Aronis may or may not be scum with grapes but considering the flips so far....

And like DS's claim was crap like and so is grapes.

I would buy one player messing things up.

But grapes messing up things after the second day like...and you defending grapes?

My bullshit meter is broken.

[MathBlade]

Math why are you even scuming reading RM? It's been awhile since you've said anything compelling on the subject.

I've only been talking about RM scum the entire game.

Titus disappears
Stuff day one is complete and utter garbage.
Didn't keep their promise on the Mulch stuff. (As I said Mulch people don't keep promises in that regard)
RC is pushes are terrible
RC mentioning DS being a dick and then misgendering me just to rile me up.

Like if your claim wasn't so goddamn full of shit I would be on RM hard.

[MathBlade]

The argument is grapes wanted JK dead so fake claimed. Aronis may or may not be scum with grapes but considering the flips so far....

The only way this makes a lick of sense is if I'm scum with aronis. But even then not really because why compromise aronis and myself. Why not just NK diamond; and that's even assuming the lynch doesn't go through anyway. It was still up in the air before I claimed like diamond was set to be lynched by plurality with 11 hours left mate.

Aronis could still be Town and you scum.

Trading one scum so Mastina could not be jailkept that night is worth it.

And why not just NK Diamond? Because then they would have to use someone other than Mastina.

If you're Town which I doubt you'd have been on Mastina. So DS dead gives scum breathing room.

The fact you didn't block Mastina is a scum claim.

[MathBlade]

Math what's your read on theta?

My read on Theta is you need to eat rope quit changing the subject

[MathBlade]

Trading one scum so Mastina could not be jailkept that night is worth it.

Literally how?

Based on the setup Mastina can do the kill.

Any night Mastina is killing scumbuddies aren't.

This means investigatives can lean back

[MathBlade]

And why not just NK Diamond? Because then they would have to use someone other than Mastina.

Literally what?

pedit: LMAO

You're either trolling or scum like there's no reason for town to want to keep noising with a scumread

pedit2: Yea listen to what you're saying. Let's TRADE one scum for the ability to send mastina to do the kill; what's so valuable about having mastina do the kills that going a man down would be worth it?

You're reaching

I am pointing out the flaws in what you are saying so we get a scum lynch today.

It isn't "noising".

And hmmmm

One scum for someone who can do the kill every fucking night without fear of investigatives? That is a smart as fuck trade and you trying to discredit me doesn't escape my notice.

Like what is it now? I am obvTown can't mislynch me so discredit me?

I have dnd but quite frankly last ditch effort from you to scumify me is pathetic.

[MathBlade]

It isn't "noising".

"let's not talk about our thoughts on theta let's keep talking about why I think you're scum grapes"

You're perpetuating noise with this while not attempting to hear me out.

It's not letting you change the subject from your bullshit claim.

[MathBlade]

One scum for someone who can do the kill every fucking night without fear of investigatives? That is a smart as fuck trade and you trying to discredit me doesn't escape my notice.

No, it really isn't.

Oh goodie! No fear of investigatives! Such as? Tracker? How many scum teams have gotten rolled over by a town tracker before that they'd sacrifice one of their own just to be able to cease TRACKER

paranoia

Like, you discredit yourself.

Enough to make it worth while.

Just saying things doesn't make it so.

[MathBlade]

She's done literally fucking nothing, which isn't necessarily a scumtell on it's own, but I don't really like the positions she's taken and I feel like with our history she may have felt the need to avoid contributing in any real form for fear of me.

I had an 100% rate of speedreading Camn before I was even friends with Titus.

You need rope.

No one except a few people have done anything.

Your posts might as well be written with fucking RNG.

You're scum pushing mislynch after mislynch with grapes.

And everyone is letting you both get away with it.

[MathBlade]

I dunno guys tor seems alright to me.

I strongly disagree and this entire line of play reeks of scum trying to pocket MathBlade because their reads are so bad.

Really?

You do this every fucking time you are scum.

Someone correctly scumreads you then you somehow end up "obvTown" and then no one ever lynches you and you always manage to spin it around.

Now you are trying to isolate me on my own little island and discredit me.

All you have said is "Math sucks" I get I am not an Ellibereth from Beneath the Mask level of good but I DO have some good games and some bad ones just like everyone else. Instead of actually countering my reads you call me bad.

For some weird as fuck reason we aren't lynching grapes and we aren't lynching RM.

What are we lynching? Our hope of winning. Like ever.

Simply because of who is on it Theta is town.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade do you wonder why people found out your identity in organization 13 and both considered policy lynching you and ignored your reads? it's because you pull shit like this.
you have an established history of being unable to read me and you come into this game and make an ass of yourself pushing on me for three days to the point where I don't want to come into the game and post anymore.

Grow up.

So in other words never post right?
Never push a damn thing?

If I push someone I believe scum I should be policied.
If I don't push someone I believe is scum I should be policied.
People found my identity because I alt slipped because I made a misclick. Only reason.

There is literally no "listen to Math" option in your paragraph you said. You're discounting the "good" games where I did have good reads.

I accurately pegged Tor in the newbie game and almost got him lynched. Look I get I am a shit Town player and I have been working on it, but if you can't actually be bothered to figure out which I am (hint I am Town) it is you who is the shittier Town player for only playing with people's playstyles you like instead of focusing on what you have to make people better. You could turn me into a mini RC God if you are Town but see you don't care. You don't care to make the game better you just complain when people suck.

If you want people to get better, don't just complain and throw me under the bus, do something about it
Say "Hey Math Use this sentence structure it is more inviting"
Or "Hey Math let's figure out why you got hung up here"

Since of course you feel you are a god to be worshipped. I however am an atheist. I may be a flawed atheist but one none the less. So if you are Town (doubtful) teach us your magnificent ways.

You think I am Town but then are saying I suck.

In other words scum will never kill me and I get to just try to even play.

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

Take a protest vote RC.

[MathBlade]

RC I think you are awfully defensive up til p14 and isn't reacting well to pressure. I got wolf vibes from you but I haven't caught up with the entire thread and no, I don't plan on sheeping mathblade's read on you, I just find their push on you very town like.

you calling me scummy while agreeing with how I'm reading mathblade: not a good look.

I don't respond well to pressure ever and this reads like you straight up got this from Mastina as a scum talking point to push on me.

Yes you actually do.

I can't believe anyone is townreading this bullshit.

Oh no, someone scumreads you, make it about Mastina.

Someone can't actually properly scumread you no? Anyone doing it besides me is Mastina coached....puhleeeze

[MathBlade]

Even if I am the worst Town player to ever exist on MS
By saying so and using that as your argument you're literally harming this town.

So either teach your "incredible" and "magnificent" scum hunting ways

Or attack my reasons here.

Attacking my prior games is already pretty anti Town and trust me. I do that enough already.

[MathBlade]

Like you want to be treated like I am but you don't understand why I'm treated the way that I am.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73575&start=1300

All I want is a fair shake.

I don't want to have the ground I post worshipped but when given a fair shake I can wreck scums.

[MathBlade]

Even if I am the worst Town player to ever exist on MS
By saying so and using that as your argument you're literally harming this town.

So either teach your "incredible" and "magnificent" scum hunting ways

Or attack my reasons here.

Attacking my prior games is already pretty anti Town and trust me. I do that enough already.

You're harming the town by pushing on me and I'm shutting down your push on me. I'm not sure what you want me to do besides point out that your reads on me are reverse polarity and that you're a bad player.
If you want me to treat you like you're a good player then play like one. You've never come to me out of game asking for advice on how to play: you look for advice on how to stop being treated like you are.
I'm telling you that you're treated like you are because of the way you play and if you want to change that then that means changing how you play.

Stop reading people by their associatives with me. Grapes had zero scum motivation to do what he did and I don't think he's close to good enough to do it intentionally for TWTBAW reasons.
Who is scum in the universe where I'm town?

mastina.

[MathBlade]

RM is not incorrect on this grapes read fwiw

Talk with me about why.

I see zero motivation for Town grapes to do that.

It feels like grapes is just spewing whatever.bullshit he needs to to stay alive.

[MathBlade]

Grapes has the burden of competency.

Two Jailkeepers none of which on Mastina.

Cmon man.

I just don't believe it.

[MathBlade]

wait, isn't mastina the moderator?

also, I understand a player being a jailkeeper believing this counterclaims an alien claim. :shrug:

Mastina can be sent to do the NK.

She is unlynchable and unkillable but she can do night actions.

I would if he had counterclaimed before. Instead he didn't.

It feels much more like a strategic cc and grapes waited to see how the thread would take it.

Him not blocking Mastina is a scum claim.

[MathBlade]

I could do the whole Mulch selfhammer because you guys are being stupid still.

But I won't. My pride as a player will not stand that.

As for any pride that this town has, they should burn it immediately and stop being stupid. I'm done trying to scumhunt for today. I've given my scumreads, they continue to be scummy, but nobody's bothering to actually think for once. I won't give you a last readlist because you guys don't deserve it. ISO me if you want my reads. Or not and just hand scum the win on a silver platter.

I mean, the only possible way for scum to lose at this point is if they actively shoot themselves in the face and just bus the entire rest of the game. Even if they claimed scum you wouldn't lynch them.

how the fuck was this not townread

Because he spent the entire game insulting people and saying that they sucked while at the same time sucking. So it was much more likely DS was scum and made up a BS claim rather than arrogant Town.

[MathBlade]

DS also picked Math n1.

You mean grapes is likely lying?

*Gasp* Who could have told you that?

[MathBlade]

Morning everyone. I have good news and bad news.

Bad news first is that there isn't much time left in the day and we may end up with a no lynch which... lolfuckthisgamesohard.

The good news is that

diamondsentinal is confirmed scum.

Please vote him in your next post.

when grapes made this post, aronis had 5 votes on him while diamond had 6. the only reason scum!grapes has for pushing this mislynch is if aronis is scum. if aronis is town, grapes' play makes no sense as scum. if we are sure grapes is scum, we should flip aronis first on the off chance grapes is indeed town jailkeeper.

Yes it does. Diamond Sentinel is a confirmed PR. Grapes could have easily torpedoed himself in order to take it out. Those types of strategic plays generally work out pretty well because people assign their own biases to why a player would do something versus reality.

It's why Theta is most likely Town. People have assigned the bias of lurker not get lynched therefore scummy MsScumster.

[MathBlade]

She is unlynchable and unkillable but she can do night actions.

Specifically, I am counted as if a goon for the purposes of roles in that I can be sent to make the nightkill, but it holds no special properties. It can be tracked, it can be blocked, it can be watched, and so on and so forth, just as any other player. I, myself, cannot send me to kill, but if my scumteam tells me to perform the kill then I can.

And who believes Mastina when she claims she is a goon. I don't.

[MathBlade]

WHOOPS I JUST TOLD EVERYONE THAT TORANAGA IS TOWN, RIP.

LOL

Like obvious difference from the newbie game. Hey Mastina you wanna tell us the rest of the town?

[MathBlade]

why not fake guilty rm? Maf needs to lie somewhere.

....

Have you seen Gistou? Shadowrun?

Seriously only BAD mafia needs to lie.

[MathBlade]

Their reaction to the fakehammer was not strongly town enough to make me consider the wagon after the claimed guilty.
You say that but this all happened after the guilty was claimed and I wasn't voting DS up to that point and was in fact defending him for a substantial portion of the day.
If I'm scum I certainly do not need to resort to fake guilties to get the people that I want lynched.

Yes yes we get it...All worship RC. Blah blah I worship facts.

[MathBlade]

why not fake guilty rm? Maf needs to lie somewhere.

....

Have you seen Gistou? Shadowrun?

Seriously only BAD mafia needs to lie.

Okay, so you're agreeing that Grapes is town now?

No. I am refuting Smocaine's premise that Mafia lie. Where the fuck do you get Mafia don't lie == grapes Town?

Because that ain't a thing.

[MathBlade]

Their reaction to the fakehammer was not strongly town enough to make me consider the wagon after the claimed guilty.
You say that but this all happened after the guilty was claimed and I wasn't voting DS up to that point and was in fact defending him for a substantial portion of the day.
If I'm scum I certainly do not need to resort to fake guilties to get the people that I want lynched.

Yes yes we get it...All worship RC. Blah blah I worship facts.

The only fact is that you consistently do your best to hand scum the game that I'm in regardless of my alignment. When I'm scum you're my #1 ally, when I'm town you're my #1 foe.
Doesn't matter what alignment you are you're the single biggest threat to town wincon and if I could go back to D1 I would have lynched you instead of mulch.

See you're starting from a place of "Math sucks" and then arguing that I suck.

You're using circular logic.

And oh trust me if you weren't spamming I suck every game I would actually get somewhere.

I actually do catch scum in games. I am just not a epic tier player and I accept that.

[MathBlade]

Newbie queue I freakin am a beast. Caught one scum before the end of the first page in a game.
In the game with Toranaga I picked the roleblocker (who happened to be Toranaga) immediately after my claim and then got compromised off.

[MathBlade]

Like it's day 3 you owe me a break by now go push someone else.

When people bother to actually try to read you and conversation starts about you and there is something objective to change my read sure.

Right now no one is even looking at you and it pisses me off.

[MathBlade]

Newbie queue I freakin am a beast. Caught one scum before the end of the first page in a game.
In the game with Toranaga I picked the roleblocker (who happened to be Toranaga) immediately after the doc claim and then got compromised off.

Merged thoughts fixed

[MathBlade]

Vote me again in another game and I'm policy lynching you if you're town here. Titus has said the same thing.

Or you could ya know not be scummy? Show me how I am misreading you?

Continuing to say you're Town without helping those that scumread you and blaming them is bullshit.

[MathBlade]

How is RM Town?

If I just pursue grapes then how (if RM is town, which I doubt) then how does this not happen again?

And if you say grapes is Town too I am gonna pull my hair out because then like I am at third fourth slot scum reads and I fucking hate partner hunting.

Like just saying pursue somewhere else doesn't change what is in my head.

[MathBlade]

...Thread exploded will check late tonight.

[MathBlade]

My tool is timing out so I will have to use it on my local as I haven't adjusted timeout settings on servers as that is a pain going through Amazon. So VC later tonight.

[MathBlade]

Tired as fuck.

Just did a full shift of work and cooked a four course meal and entertained.

I still think Theta is town.

#sleepBeckons

[MathBlade]

Blatant prod dodge...Had unexpected stuff come up again. Will post tomorrow during football. Sorry Mastina I know you hate this...I would have V/LA'd if I had known.

[MathBlade]

I explained how I've come to townread theta. I thought she was spewing herself scum through disingenuously claiming she was lynched through counting in mastina's vote, and thought una was scum with her who coordinate fake hammer + having her try to spew herself town. one the theta read goes away, so does the una. not that I think una is necessarily town, but after theta my strongest scumread is still RM.

I can see how my progressions feel unnatural for a mafiascummer and am not surprised I'm getting scumread for jumping all over the place here. if I had a good grasp of the game I'd be pushing stuff harder and more confidently, but it's not the case.

Help! My GPS is broken.

Am I in your pocket?

[MathBlade]

doot

Please doot.

[MathBlade]

Tipsy math here...ask me things.

[MathBlade]

why was 6 afraid of 7?

Because 7 8 9 hello...

[MathBlade]

It's because 7 is mafia!

But Toranaga is like obvTown I think.
Unless you're using the alive list...in that case maybe Stalfos scum but grapes and RM practically conf scum.

[MathBlade]

Had surprise guests again. FML

Will read tomorrow late after the at.

[MathBlade]

OMG I come back from Thanksgiving and people are pushing RM. Yay!

Maybe there is such a thing as Thanksgiving miracles and people listen to me.

[MathBlade]

I don't think it matters anymore because town doesn't care and we're going to lose as a result.

Look at the votes on the wagon from Una and Aronis who got away with voting me by playing it off as a troll and tell me that this is a town motivated wagon.

Ik my vote was originally because RM stole my Pagetop and as a result of this may inspire some doubt in it, but after consideration I am perfectly happy and willing to accept responsibility for a RM lynch because of their posting content.

*glares*

Hell no.

RM+Aronis?

This reads like you know RM is scum and want the creds.

RM however is continually attacking my credibility since I can't be mislynched. RM wants me in my usual ignored place so that way RM's team can steam roll. Let me remind the people voting that on day one I said "Hey RM is scum" and here's reasons and y'all went naaaah RM is town and are now using the same fucking reasons to scumread RM.

There ain't a wall big enough for this shit.

[MathBlade]

Smocaine talk with me about this game compared to the normal that just ended. What's different? Because right now you're not acting anything like that normal. Man I've been waiting for that game to end for far too long.

[MathBlade]

rm is also town

Why your reads so bad?

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73635

Smocaine has burden of proficiency. If his reads and mine are dissimilar Smocaine has to explain why. Warning game gets toxic.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade, how does Kise feel compared his Beneath the Mask play?

Louder.

I had a townread on Kise at the start. Not sure where now gut says trust my initial read so Town lean.

Feels more flash in the pan like.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade, did 2890 make you think differently about you last couple of posts before the Kise read?

I'm confused...I don't do time travel?

Did you get that post number right?

[MathBlade]

???? I'm going to bed.

Like you don't make sense but I can't imagine scum being this intentionally perplexing.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 3.315

Toranaga(3)

~ Radiant Moonlight, Ghostlin, UnaBombaH

Radiant Moonlight(3)

~ MathBlade, Stalfos, Aronis

Theta Alpine(2)

~ camn, Not_Mafia

Smocaine(2)

~ Theta Alpine, Kise

Kise(2)

~ grapes, Smocaine

UnaBombaH(1)

~ Toranaga


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
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I

think

Radiant Moonlight would be lynched at this point.

<<< Nope! Toranaga was higher. >>>

[MathBlade]

Bitch I could 1v2 y'all ez.

I feel ya...I think?

[MathBlade]

Hey Mathblade, do you really tr me, or do you think you might flip on that in say, a lylo situation?

Barring something major I don't see it changing.

However, LyLO does reveal teammates and I am extremely good at end game LyLO play.

[MathBlade]

Also Ima retract my math read Aronis, sorry for being so bm.
Grapes=town

Your move.

Bm =?

[MathBlade]

Also Ima retract my math read Aronis, sorry for being so bm.
Grapes=town

Your move.

Bm =?

bad mannered

Having a brain > manners.

Granted your read sucks but at least you give a shit.

Mainly I just really can't see how you are getting your reads. Like I get how you are doing lakalalalalala but not lalalalalalalalalalala

[MathBlade]

Grapes!scum conf

VOTE: Kise do something about your vote situation Kise

It's amusing that you feel like you can confidently say my pushes on Theta and Aronis are 'on town'.

If grapes is conf scum then you don't vote because ??

Why Tor? Tor seems obvTown to me?

Explain your read on Theta/Aronis can be taken two ways.

[MathBlade]

Hm. Why exactly does Titus want to create a town block via proxy -- Is she invested/interested enough? If so where she at?

Also who are all these townies that are splitting the votes, cause between that post you made earlier and your previous post, camn, Smocaine and myself are the people who made votes, and camn didn't vote anyone outside of your preferred 3 (me/Tor/Una)

Titus probably just wants RC to lock Town the slot. But as long as I am alive I will keep pushing RM.

[MathBlade]

vla

:(:(:(:(:(

[MathBlade]

Like, Kise, it's difficult for me to picture worlds where you're town; especially after posts like #3010. Why are you asking your sr to wagon up ghostlin with you out of the blue? I mean spontaneous sure, but it could also be read as scum who wanted a way to disengage from RM after they settled on wagoning you. It's also looking like the next closest thing to get to lynch..


Speaking of RM I just don't really think they're scum but actually took the past half hour to pinpoint where that all began for stalfos to try and see where they're coming from there and turns out I can. Their mulch push was harsh, but they even said at one point that they wanted to lynch mulch whether he was town or not. Bad play? Kinda. Scummy? Mmmmyea obviously but at the same time I think there were slots that had more scum indicative interactions with mulch's wagon and I personally have just about thrown out my rulebook in a lot of respects so far in I mean it is that kind of game. In otherwords this is more of a street fight rather than a clean no below the belt thing going on.

At the same time though I'm open to being persuaded because it's also quite possible that I'm pocketed; it's just difficult to take most of the action there to heart when what I've predominantly noticed until now is Mathblade literally calling me scum because I'm scum with RM.

@Stalfos if RM is scum who are their buddies?

I am calling you scum for your claim and RM is literally somehow saving you and RM is obvScum.

[MathBlade]

Side note: I spent most of Saturday fixing a bug in the vote counter were Toranaga voted as Hard Monkey. I would LOVE it if you alt slip and vote to call it out so I can make sure that's in my hydra names field.

[MathBlade]

Would gladly lynch radiant rn

Let's do it. This game is stale af.

Fina fucking lly

[MathBlade]

Votecount 3.315

Radiant Moonlight(5)

~ MathBlade, Stalfos, Aronis, camn, Toranaga

Kise(3)

~ grapes, Radiant Moonlight, UnaBombaH

Toranaga(2)

~ Ghostlin, Smocaine

Smocaine(2)

~ Theta Alpine, Not_Mafia


Not Voting (1): Kise

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I'm still working on the lag bit. 62 seconds on my local is a bit high for all this work. Gonna see if I can get it down some. (As always if your vote is in the wrong spot please tell me)

[MathBlade]

We want vote counts! *clap clap clapclapclap*

Stalfos is either a genuinely nice and involving person, or scum.
Kise is scum. VOTE: Kise
Camn town.
Toranaga...Ech.
Grapes is townier than not, smocaine too.
Radiants flip will be eye-opening.

Also warning potential town investigative not to visit me. I have my apartment full of traps because my parents left me home alone.

....... That seems odd??? This seems like a PGO or miller claim but this is a really odd point to do that. I don't know how I feel able this.

[MathBlade]

If theres a town investigative itg and they didnt hardclaim this gameday then lol at how terrible theyre playing

Scumslip?

[MathBlade]

Radiants flip will be eye-opening.

Eye-opening, huh?
Lets see it then. Lets see your vote.

Nah, I just think his lynch will go through just because he is a personality and refuses to accept any blame for being scumread.
I think kise is scum for sure, so I vote there until it's absolutely no-lynch vs RM-lynch.

Town or faking a tell?

Game is on plurality lynches.

[MathBlade]

reasons to not lynch Kise go.

I scumread RM.

[MathBlade]

And this doesn't apply to RM as well because?

I recall kise responding to me day 1 saying that there was some iffy piggybacking of mulch going on with "stalfos exposed mulch" as his case which doesn't seem like somebody going all in but more like someone sheeping and cheerleading it on.

RM has been obvScum since day one.

Now grapes is trying to save RM.

We have come full circle. Grapes scum claims. RM saves grapes. Wagon on RM forms. Grapes tries to save RM.

[MathBlade]

If I'm scum, which I'm not, I'll still be scum tomorrow. Wagoning me today is a terrible idea.

If you’re scum (likely) you’ll still be scum today which makes wagoning you a great idea.

[MathBlade]

Radiants flip will be eye-opening.

Eye-opening, huh?
Lets see it then. Lets see your vote.

Nah, I just think his lynch will go through just because he is a personality and refuses to accept any blame for being scumread.
I think kise is scum for sure, so I vote there until it's absolutely no-lynch vs RM-lynch.

Town or faking a tell?

Game is on plurality lynches.

Why is not realizing it's plural a towntell?

When scum are doing good they generally understand the mechanics. UnabombaH seems experienced.

[MathBlade]

Or to put that another way: RM's 'we shouldn't lynch me today because I'll be scum tomorrow' is so atrocious that it shook my ennui of this game enough for me to fucking respond to it.

Error 404: Ghostlin’s vote on RM not found

[MathBlade]

.....After campaigning three straight fucking days for this lynch, I am gonna make damn sure everyone who scumreads RM has a vote down there.

[MathBlade]

RM is at L-1

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Kise

[MathBlade]

It isn’t a matter of being on or off a wagon. It’s about the authenticity behind the push.

If all it took was scum being on or off a wagon we’d see a lot of D1 scum flips and wreck.

Secondly that vote is still buddying because you agreed with my RM scumread as well.

So you’re making my points for me.

[MathBlade]

I would recommend vigging Kise regardless of the flip and I say that off of the back of one of if not the best vig records on site.

Like you're arguing with my scumread of you on the basis that I shouldn't be willing to risk my vig record, but that only applies if you're town and you've been sheeping Math's scumread of me the whole game.

[MathBlade]

To further expose your BS with the hope people are finally online to read stuff before possible deletio, and HOPEFULLY lynch you instead of waiting for deadline

Re: 2303, what was the point of throwing out your vig record then? Either you claim me or show how full of it you are

Whining to the vig because I sr you only lessens your headache. There's no way you scumread me for "mistreatment", that's so laughable. But yeah, that's a good idea to get rid of another one of your lynchees since you publicly tr math

How does 'claim me or show how full of it you are' make any sense said from you to someone that you claim to scumread? Why would it matter whether I claim it or not if I'm scum?
Like in the universe where I'm scum I'd gladly claim to take the kill then obviously

not do so

because I was aligned with scum.
You're going at me for being egotistical in a way that makes no sense if you think that I'm scum, but as scum who thinks I'm not good enough to catch you, your line of play makes a ton of sense.
It's called the BBT tell and it's only failed me once.

RM did push Kise from memory serving. Your point?

[MathBlade]

Asking who RM pushed is the wrong question.

It’s anout whether the motivation is authentic and townie.

Pushing town is scummy except when it isn’t. Pushing scum is townie except when it isn’t.

RM also pushed me when I started the RM push day one.

Like mainly we’re looking for who didn’t want RM lynched. Sure you voted RM but that tail end switch is suspicious AF.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 3.315

Radiant Moonlight(5)

~ MathBlade, Stalfos, Aronis, camn, Toranaga

Kise(3)

~ grapes, Radiant Moonlight, UnaBombaH

Toranaga(2)

~ Ghostlin, Smocaine

Smocaine(2)

~ Theta Alpine, Not_Mafia


Not Voting (1): Kise

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-08 04:16:16)

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Performed 123 calls in 62 seconds. With an average of 0.510406504065041 seconds per call.


I'm still working on the lag bit. 62 seconds on my local is a bit high for all this work. Gonna see if I can get it down some. (As always if your vote is in the wrong spot please tell me)

Votecount 3.315

Toranaga(3)

~ Radiant Moonlight, Ghostlin, UnaBombaH

Radiant Moonlight(3)

~ MathBlade, Stalfos, Aronis

Theta Alpine(2)

~ camn, Not_Mafia

Smocaine(2)

~ Theta Alpine, Kise

Kise(2)

~ grapes, Smocaine

UnaBombaH(1)

~ Toranaga


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-08 04:16:16)

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Performed 118 calls in 94 seconds. With an average of 0.797093220338983 seconds per call.

I

think

Radiant Moonlight would be lynched at this point.

<<< Nope! Toranaga was higher. >>>

Grrrrr Besides mastina editing my VCs which means I gotta go check shit by hand again your vote was popping around like a Christmas tree Kise. Sure you ended there but you cut off discussion on that day with your insta hammer.

[MathBlade]

"I think Tor knows Theta is town, so move off of Theta and vote Tor"

Who said something to this effect?

-RM

Again....See prior point. As scum I wifom reads repeatedly. What is hard to see is RM’s motivation why defend Theta? Is Theta scum or was RM looking for cred?

I could see both ways but I don’t see Town motivation in what Kise did yesterday.

[MathBlade]

Who do you scum and townread Theta?

[MathBlade]

I used bolded tags last time so I should be voting whatstheirname but I guess the MB vote thingy doesn't like old school rules

UNVOTE:
VOTE: radiant moonlight

I lay you to rest

This doesn’t seem assholey. This seems like a resigned bus after a mislynch attempt on Ghostlin failed.

[MathBlade]

well here is my last list for reference

VOTE: grapes killed night 3 and was town
VOTE: mathblade
VOTE: not_mafia

VOTE: mulch

VOTE: aronis
VOTE: smocaine
VOTE: kise
VOTE: ghostlin

VOTE: theta alpine

VOTE: massive killed night 2 and was town
VOTE: camn
VOTE: diamondsentinel lynched day 2 and was town
VOTE: maestro

VOTE: ginngie

VOTE: stalfos
VOTE: mariomaniac4 killed night 3 and was town
VOTE: radiant moonlight lynched day 3 and was scum
VOTE: mastina

and now my current list

VOTE: mathblade still think you are town
VOTE: aronis cause i cannot distinguish your play in this game from another game in which you were town
VOTE: ghostlin you would be null for a general lack of posts except i think a few of your good posts got deleted since i last looked

VOTE: stalfos i still do not like your early game push on mulch but yesterday you atoned for that
VOTE: not_mafia kind of sorta feels like you are lurking now
VOTE: kise not sure what to think about you now

VOTE: unabombah i have never really been impressed by your slot and yesterday you did not exactly play well
VOTE: smocaine you really want me to get mislynched now that town actually has something of a chance
VOTE: camn i saw you asking kise to vote rm and i think you knew it would be a hammer

Theta is very likely scum with RC as well. This reads list makes like no sense.

[MathBlade]

RM/Theta/Kise ?

[MathBlade]

Why me = Fry me but I will still break it down

[MathBlade]

Fifty-second Votecount

:

(First Votecount D4)

UnaBombaH - 4 (Kise, camn, Stalfos, Smocaine)

Kise - 2 (UnaBombaH Math)

Not Voting - 0 (Everyone else)

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

At deadline,

UnaBombaH

would be lynched.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, January 3rd, @ 7:00 PM PST: (expired on 2018-01-03 23:00:15).

Your bottom four are Smocaine Kise UnabombaH and Camn

Do you seriously think that scum are bussing here?

[MathBlade]

Oh for fucks sakes I was gonna quote the old day end VC but I can’t find it anymore fml

Will use my tool late tonight to get a day end vote count for that :/

[MathBlade]

Then you aren’t helping them bus in your opinion because?

[MathBlade]

Feeling like I should be ecstatic but right now I wanna dig my face into the nearest pint of ice cream.

Mastina is deleting vote counts I need to build reads so I have to spend a shit ton of time getting the data just to fucking operate. I feel like I am flying blind without a map. I know I could do it when I get home but I kinda don’t wanna I am just kinda blah about this game. I feel shutout and useless.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 4.315

UnaBombaH(4)

~ Kise, camn, Stalfos, Smocaine

Kise(2)

~ UnaBombaH, MathBlade

camn(1)

~ Theta Alpine


Not Voting (3): Aronis, Not_Mafia, Ghostlin

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2018-01-03 23:00:15)

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Performed 127 calls in 315 seconds. With an average of 2.48689763779528 seconds per call.

[MathBlade]

@mod: Can we get a prod on Ghostlin please?

It’s been 9 days since they posted almost 10.

[MathBlade]

Aronis isn’t as bad at 2+ but I am seriously sketched by the inactivity.

[MathBlade]

I do not understand the reference but I am guessing you mean me by the capital M?

[MathBlade]

I do not understand the reference but I am guessing you mean me by the capital M?

?????????

[MathBlade]

I give up on comprehending this shit I am going to work.
Hopefully by the time that is done someone will explain this.

[MathBlade]

Who am I sheeping today?

How about sleeping yourself?

Who do you read as what alignment?

[MathBlade]

Fifty-First Votecount

:

(Fourth and Final Votecount D3)

Radiant Moonlight - 7 (Mathblade, Stalfos, Aronis, camn, Toranaga, Ghostlin, Kise)

Kise - 2 (Radiant Moonlight, UnaBombaH)

Smocaine - 2 (Theta Alpine, Not_Mafia)

UnaBombaH - 1 (grapes)

Toranaga - 1 (Smocaine)

Theta Alpine - 0 (

mastina

)

Not Voting - 0 (no one)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

At deadline,

Theta Alpine

would be lynched.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, December 8th, @ 12:15 AM PST, which is in: (expired on 2017-12-09 04:16:16).

Nuh uh I asked you a question.

You can answer it, fully.

I gotta go but there is day end VC.

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VOTE: Ghostlin

I wanna see something

[MathBlade]

I'm not sure what Math wants to see here.

Good I like it that way then scum don’t know how to fuck with my reaction tests.

[MathBlade]

yeah

by the way is there anyone that the majority of people scumread
since you know it would help to know what everyone else thinks

Does anyone have an opinion or did everyone get secret sheep Math role PMs?

[MathBlade]

Feeling like I should be ecstatic but right now I wanna dig my face into the nearest pint of ice cream.

Mastina is deleting vote counts I need to build reads so I have to spend a shit ton of time getting the data just to fucking operate. I feel like I am flying blind without a map. I know I could do it when I get home but I kinda don’t wanna I am just kinda blah about this game. I feel shutout and useless.

Gee Smocaine is reading.

Hmmmm I wonder how that will turn out. Still more interested in people not voting someone or acknowleding the wagons and starting their own.

[MathBlade]

Feeling like I should be ecstatic but right now I wanna dig my face into the nearest pint of ice cream.

Mastina is deleting vote counts I need to build reads so I have to spend a shit ton of time getting the data just to fucking operate. I feel like I am flying blind without a map. I know I could do it when I get home but I kinda don’t wanna I am just kinda blah about this game. I feel shutout and useless.

Gee Smocaine is reading.

Hmmmm I wonder how that will turn out. Still more interested in people not voting someone or acknowleding the wagons and starting their own.

RM insulted you a lot during your push. You sure you don't want any "hahas" or "suck its"?

No. I don't. That hydra is something my sister was a part of. I want nothing to do with insulting my RL sister or one of her good friends.

I was right yes. People aren't listening to me. It's disappointing yes. However, I want this game to be fun. A hah ha suck it when I was right since day one serves no one. Do I want it, sometimes. But mostly I'm just meh.

VOTE: Unvote

I wish I could but I feel so powerless Ghostlin

[MathBlade]

I like my vanilla ice cream. It seems it was destiny.

Enjoy your chocolate one. I am allergic to chocolate IRL.

[MathBlade]

considering it was titus and radiant i highly doubt their reads will be very useful for us to go over

So you know RC and Titus?

How do you know them both and if so how did you not push them like I did?

[MathBlade]

What are your reads Aronis?

[MathBlade]

I give enough fucks not too.

Aronis is clearly trolling.

I don’t see scum doing something that bad intentionally or otherwise. It’s too IDGAF.

[MathBlade]

Oh look more people not listening to me

#shocked #not

And if you are thinking Aronis is scum where’s your vote huh?

[MathBlade]

I just finished a game where a wolf trolled their way to the final night and claimed 'open wolfing' to their partner in thread. You have an Aronis-specific read on that one Math?

I read the trolling player as a wolf since you said they are scum.

Link me to the game?

And just because someone did something in the past doesn’t mean that is what is happening here. As town I deal with most likely scenarios. Scum are the ones who have to do the what iffing.

Link me to that game and I will take a look late tonight and see if there are similarities.

[MathBlade]

*Is that an Aronis-specific read on that?

for clarity

Aronis did the same trolling in Night and Day and was town. So unless I see extreme shifts I don’t see Aronis scum here.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?p=9324017#p9324017

Example where he gets the page tops.

It just seems like town Aronis.

[MathBlade]

Math tell me who to vote

Ghostlin or unabomber

Is your name Math?

Why do you have to ask?

[MathBlade]

I just finished a game where a wolf trolled their way to the final night and claimed 'open wolfing' to their partner in thread. You have an Aronis-specific read on that one Math?

wow great job. I'm sure everyone's playstyle is 100% the same, so you should totally lynch me

This is not a good post

like let's be real for a sec
have I ever made a good post?

I just sign up for these games thinking they'll be fun, then get a Town PM, get lost not knowing wtf to do, and then lurk/troll
it's a problem and I should probably just stop playing because barring an epiphany like I had at the end of night&day mafia, I'm always useless and never fit site meta. but i don't wanna replace out of this 100+ pages in with a slot that's probably getting lynched soon

Aronis is town.

Smocaine is also rising in my scumpool.

[MathBlade]

You've engaged Aronis at zero point this game Math. Why aren't you trying to work with your tr?

Because townblocks are the stupidest thing to exist in mafia.

As scum I destroy them.

Instead I prefer my townreads to be able to vocalize their opinions and why they believe the way they do. And scum to have to pretend to do that. Because that is one of the hardest skills for a scum player to achieve. The ability to look townie. So I want people to stand on their own legs and say who the fuck they want.

[MathBlade]

Take a look at that game I was scum in recently Smocaine.

I was wrecking that shit til redacted happened and I emotionally fell apart but left my buddies in a place to win.

Seriously I am town. Aronis is town. You should know as town I am good at identifying town.

You should take these things as gospel.

[MathBlade]

Will read tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

V/LA for a few day
My stomach and body are waging war

[MathBlade]

I think I'm just a votebot this game..

Normally when I feel passionate about a game I have no trouble using logic and analyzing interactions, but I didn't even manage to produce a solid scumread for Radiant.
(normally I scumread him even when he is town )

This post. I get it, Town's lazy and disaffected in the game, but why did you have to explain:
1) you're not engaged in this game
2) the fact that you didn't really scum read him and he flipped scum

The first one everyone's done in this game, but why did you feel you had to explain your not-really-a-scumread on a player that flipped scum?

+1

[MathBlade]

got it

????

@Not_Mafia

As I said earlier stop sheeping what are your thoughts?

[MathBlade]

10 are alive right now.
Assume we mislynch.
This leaves 9 alive into night. 6 town 3 scum.
Scum will NK a town.
This leaves 5 town three scum.
If a vig exists they better be shooting because if we ever reach lylo/mylo after that point it’d be damn arrogant for them to do so.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[MathBlade]

Not_Mafia is on the above VC twice I think.

Nothing much to claim, I'm a VT.

After lynching me, you have a MyLo to work, right?
I really hope town can still salvage this, and am honestly sorry I was more of a burden than a help..

My gut still says kise is surely scum, and I often get one right even when I otherwise suck!

no we do not definitely have mylo
we go down to 8 alive with either 6/2 or 5/3 if the vig does not shoot
if the vig shoots we have one of 6/1 5/3 5/2 or 4/3

if you are town we have one of 5/3 5/2 or 4/3 the next day
if you are scum we get one of 6/2 6/1 or 5/2 the next day

so no we do not for sure have mylo the next day whether or not you are town
i also do not think you are town so i am rather confident we will not have to deal with mylo right now

so now i think it is time to VOTE: unabombah

l-1

mathblade i assume you have reservations about this lynch
and not_mafia has expressed reservations and i would like to hear the reason behind them

Actually I haven’t but I did have reservations because of a few things.

[MathBlade]

Or are you talking about this:

Also warning potential town investigative not to visit me. I have my apartment full of traps because my parents left me home alone.

Why are only investigators a concern?

Why would a protective visit someone like me?

I just thought it common courtesy to warn our investigatives not to waste themselves last night.

Also funny to see how there has already been 0,05% conversation already!

I don’t buy this.

I mean you feel town but this logically doesn’t make sense.

Who wouldn’t want to be confirmed town?

VOTE: UnabombaH

[MathBlade]

Then assuming you are a VT scum would then have to pick between killing a PR and you.

Like we likely have a vig running around and do we really have yet another PR this close to lylo/mylo/whateverO?

Think about all the power town has already flipped. What would you give scum to combat that?

[MathBlade]

Fifty-sixth Votecount

:

(Fifth Votecount D4)

Theta Alpine - 4 (Not_Mafia, UnaBombaH, Mathblade, camn)

UnaBombaH - 4 (Kise, Stalfos, Ghostlin, Theta Alphine)

mastina

- 1 (Aronis)

Not Voting - 1 (Smocaine)

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

At deadline,

UnaBombaH

would be lynched.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, January 3rd, @ 7:00 PM PST: (expired on 2018-01-03 23:00:15).

Not buying it. Btw I think that is L-1 on UnaBombaH because Ginngie didn’t count.

[MathBlade]

is it scummy if i say i'm willing to lynch anyone that isnt me?

Yes but scummy != scum.

It’s a matter of finding the scum in the scummy and I don’t see how with UnaBombaH asking investigative to ignore him and then claiming VT should be in lylo.

[MathBlade]

....Wtf was that vig shot?!?!?!

[MathBlade]

Take a look at that game I was scum in recently Smocaine.

I was wrecking that shit til redacted happened and I emotionally fell apart but left my buddies in a place to win.

Seriously I am town. Aronis is town. You should know as town I am good at identifying town.

You should take these things as gospel.

[MathBlade]

Seriously now it’s fucking lylo and both my main townreads are dead.

Like fml. Well done 8-/

[MathBlade]

So then if Not Mafia is the vig then scum shot Smocaine.

Makes sense. He’s one of the more vocal players on this list.

If Not Mafia is not the vig then mastina probably told him not to lie so Not Mafia would have shot Aronis.

[MathBlade]

I honestly expected anyone but Aronis dead. Like I am beyond pissed and that is no way to be in lylo scum will take advantage of it like they did in Civ.

Just gonna sleep for now.

[MathBlade]

Again why?

[MathBlade]

Take a look at that game I was scum in recently Smocaine.

I was wrecking that shit til redacted happened and I emotionally fell apart but left my buddies in a place to win.

Seriously I am town. Aronis is town. You should know as town I am good at identifying town.

You should take these things as gospel.

whats this for

Because whoever is the vig is scum or town in name only.

The few people I townread all end up dead before lylo?

It’s messed up.

[MathBlade]

....sooooo slow.................

Where is everyone?

[MathBlade]

Dear Lord unless you me Camn and Theta are all town we be fucked towards getting a wagon with how little activity there is.

[MathBlade]

Wtf was that lynch pls

....Wtf was that vig shot?!?!?!

@Kise: As I said before two townreads both killed.
I said Aronis was town and look Aronis flipped town.

[MathBlade]

I think Ghostlin is scum atm especially if Theta town.

Ghostlin just posted in my other game (just finished) and this one is crickets.