Mini Normal 1988 (Endgame)

[Chumba]

ScuMobile is the best theme and I don’t have problems seeing any color except that crazy green color the mod used.

[Chumba]

Either way here's to hoping we can start soon because deadline is shorter than usually (7 days y'all!)

And good luck to all, yada yada.

Totally missed that. Awesome

[Chumba]

Who thinks RVS is overrated?

I do

[Chumba]

Sheeping is baaaaaaaaaaad

[Chumba]

Sheeping is baaaaaaaaaaad

Bad joke but my point isn’t.

[Chumba]

but I am wary of anyone who claims to have solid reads this soon

why tho? I have caught scum on page 1 before. it's rare but happens so why is somebody having a read suspicious just because you don't?

[Chumba]

Sorry guys. Got unexpectedly busy. Will try to catch up later today or tomorrow

[Chumba]

I'm happy to sheep Nero for the timebeing. I also don't really like the 'i have a plan, but I can't tell you yet' shenanigans from roy. I usually find this type of behavior to be an attempt at virtue signaling (yes I just appropriated that term for mafia use, come at me). Like if he actually wanted genuine reactions or actually had something that needed to be kept in the dark to be effective, he would't be like "HEY GUYS I HAVE A SECRET THING BUT WE NEED TO WAIT".

So those are my top SRs at the moment.

I have a good idea of TIAMs meta and Lalendras meta so I think my read on them will become clear before end of day.

Nero, what do you think of me sheeping you since you think sheeping is dumb?

I sort of like this post.

[Chumba]

Prism Roy is an alt.

Who is his main?

[Chumba]

VOTE: Roy

Don’t have any string reads but I’m suspicious of Roy/prism/arch.

[Chumba]

Oh my bad. Didn’t put that together. Thought he was in the game lol

[Chumba]

ok so p.o.e town reads:
Moz,BUj, Prism, Arch, Seph, Nero, Roy, Llandra

so 3 scum in: Luca,Two,Leon, Chumba and Golden
easy

Those townreads are pretty bad.

[Chumba]

No. My 3 scum reads are in his town list. I don’t care what people think of me

[Chumba]

Not to mention it’s ridi to have a poe list day one without any flips.

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Leeoon

His complete lack of content cannot be ignored.

What about my lack of content?

[Chumba]

but i'll bet theres a couple of scum in that lynch pool.

I can throw out 4-5 names at random and bet there will be scum in them.

[Chumba]

VOTE: Roy

Don’t have any string reads but I’m suspicious of Roy/prism/arch.

I think your names are random personally since half of the people you call town haven’t really done anything imo to warrant a town read. But it’s day 1 so whatever

[Chumba]

It’s not hypocritical at all.

[Chumba]

I can criticize anyone I want. I have gut scum reads on people. Their posts don’t look townie to me at all. So somebody saying they find them townie strikes me as odd. There is nothing wrong with that and you can’t sit there and tell me what I can and can’t do. You also can’t accuse me of being hypocritical when I’m not.

[Chumba]

Roy is suspicious for the whole "I have a plan but can't tell you" thing. I am not really a fan of his vote on moz, because large post count without much substance isn't a scumtell, hell it isn't even AI. He has done nothing else of value imo.

Prism is bad for basically coming to roy's defense. he called Seph's post bad when it really wasn't. His vote looks straight up like chiainsaw defending to me. He also thought roy was newer which is why he thought that post was bad, but when learning that roy isn't actually new his opinion doesn't change which imo it should since it roy being new was part of the basis for it. He also seems to be trying too hard in his opening post.

arch rubbed me the wrong way when he told people to sheep him, sheeping is very bad for town and I don't see why town would encourage other townies to do something bad. I also don't like that he actually scum reads somebody for lamist, At first I thought he didn't, but when roy chimes in and he tells him to hush and let his scum buddy answer, that is pretty much saying he scum reads lalendra for lamist. I honestly can't see any townie who thinks that is a good reason to scum read somebody.

yeah, I don't see how anyone can town read these people. so i guess i'll just put moz in my do not trust pile until he can explain how on earth he town reads these scummy people.

[Chumba]

I find that weird, when you voted bujabur, somebody else votes him and then nero calls it out and there was a small amount of decent conversation that stemmed from that series of events. all of this happened BEFORE you made your vague post.

and why would you think anyone would bite and vote moz? you didn't have a good reason to vote moz.

I don't really see any benefit for either of those from a town pov.

[Chumba]

I wills it down and look that post later with more attention, but the thing I just don't understand is why you had to actually say you were doing something instead of just doing it? By announcing you are doing something, you essentially make it less effectve.

it's like voting somebody for pressure and saying it is for pressure. your vote no longer becomes effective cause they know how to react, I hate gimmicks but if you are going to do them, don't annouce it.

[Chumba]

Tbh I don’t actually see an issue with the Leon vote early on. Ive done that myself plenty of times, especially in rvs. It’s a way to make things happen and get reactions but scum can do it also so it’s really nai.

Luca’s vote I could see coming from scum. There are better ways to get people to engage them voting them. I don’t know why he specifically chose him when my content (and others as well) are also lacking.

The rest of your post I didn’t really find useful. It’s really hard day 1 to analyze votes without a flip to compare it to.

[Chumba]

Cause I don’t understand how you came to single one person out.

[Chumba]

[Chumba]

While I agree with that, you if you are town shouldn’t care what he thinks. If you want to vote him, vote him. If not then no point in really discussing his post.

[Chumba]

if you're town, why are you tunneling

Did you seriously ask this?
Town tunnel all the time. Hell on my other accounts I famous for it

[Chumba]

I still don't see why you town read roy

[Chumba]

Evidently, I did. I mean, what's the town value of tunneling, as opposed to keeping an open mind and weighing out options?

Keeping options open imo is what scum want. Tunneling means you think you found scum and now you want them lynched. Clearly if somebody makes a good argument to show why that person is town or why somebody else is scum, they shouldn’t be ignored but I haven’t seen good arguments from anyone yet

[Chumba]

How’s that? I’ve got 3 scum reads and there is very likely 3 scum. I’m probably not going to vote anyone else unless I have to.

[Chumba]

I’m busy so really haven’t had time to dedicate to this game unfortunately but can you honestly say anyone has done a good job at it? I can’t because I haven’t been conviced my reads could be wrong.

I’m playing different because that was the point of this account. To play different. I wasn’t even going to out I was an alt but I alt slipped elsewhere.

Roy is so obviously scummy to me and the only one defending him is using the thing I find scummy as a town tell. This bu wagon is a joke Nd nobody has a half decent case for him. I’ve stated my reasons for my reads and Roy has done the most scummy things. His recent posts just prove my point. His reasons and his vote were bad and the unvote didn’t really help him.

[Chumba]

You haven't taken a stance on Jaber or TIAM either.

Why do I have to take a stance on them if I already have people I’m scum reading?

Anyone not in my list is either town or null

[Chumba]

I can’t help if you are a shitty reader. It’s obvious from my posts who I scum read cause I’ve said it at least twice and have said or implied I scum read Roy more than that.

I’ll compromise if I have to. I don’t have to yet.

[Chumba]

You seem to be content doing none of the above.

Yes I am

[Chumba]

My point is you haven't been pushing Roy's lynch. I saw you make the odd comment on Roy, but I honestly didn't think you were voting anyone until I looked back over your ISO.

If you're not going to compromise yet then why not try to convince me and others to vote the guy who is so obviously scum to you?

What do you think of TIAM's vote on Jaber? Better or worse than Roy's?

You also avoided my question on Jaber. You say no-one has a half-decent case on him, I pointed out my one and asked you what you thought, but again you avoided this question.

I’m busy and I’m not strong arming any lynches day 1.

I’ll look at this stuff you want me to look at tomorrow

[Chumba]

Another thing that's been bugging me about Chumba for a while is this:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Leeoon

His complete lack of content cannot be ignored.

What about my lack of content?

I feel like he asked this question purely for the purpose of being townread for it. It's a version of LAMIST -

"Why would scum draw attention to themselves like that?"

The reason it stands out to me is because there is no reason to ask it. It was clear, and is still clear why I voted Leeoon over anyone else at that point for lack of content. Chumba himself had way more content at this point. The fact he then uses it to cast shade on me, again without following up on it, is even worse.

No I honestly wanted to know why you single one person out when others are guilty of it.

[Chumba]

If you are town Think outside the box. It’s better

[Chumba]

Not a fan of it.

Side note, skimming your iso I think it’s funny you call me out for lamist but you’ve made some lamist posts yourself. Those in glass houses...

You also seem to be just grasping at things that aren’t scummy. Like you have made a few posts calling things scummy that aren’t really scummy. You’ve done that multiple times towards me even. If you are town stop focusing on surface scummy things (which aren’t even scummy).

[Chumba]

What do you think of TIAM's vote on Jaber? Better or worse than Roy's?

Better. Size he didn’t try to justify it with shitty reasoning. Roy’s reasons for voting jaber were bad because 1. Isn’t scummy let alone AI and the other I don’t even know what he’s talking about.

[Chumba]

You also avoided my question on Jaber. You say no-one has a half-decent case on him, I pointed out my one and asked you what you thought, but again you avoided this question.

I have to actually read your case and then fact check it. Once I do that I can give you my thoughts of it

[Chumba]

Such vagueness...

Why aren't you a fan of my explanation?
What have I done that is LAMIST?
What are the things I called scummy that aren't even scummy?

1. Cause others including myself were also void of content. TIAM is also void of content. So why you singled him out still doesn’t make sense to me.

2. How about your vote on Leon for example. “Look at me I’m pressuring a lurker” your vote was bad. It wasn’t productive yet you acted like it was and you tried to justify it and it fell flat

Or saying I haven’t taken a hard stance on somebody (which is factually untrue) and using it as a negative against me when you have been. You are basically the opposite of Roy. Just cause somebody doesn’t tunnel doesn’t mean they are scum or scummy either. People play different and you are trying to shame me for not pushing hard when I haven’t even been able to. Do you realize how much time and energy it takes to tunnel somebody? More time and energy then I have or even want to give day 1 when it isn’t productive.

Or post 227. “How can you call my case weak when you haven’t made one” cases are shit half the time. They are full of conf.bias and basically a waste of time. Some people think cases are scummy even. Just cause somebody doesn’t make one doesn’t mean they aren’t alllowed to criticize you for making one. People can do whatever they want.

All of those felt like you lamist’img. Basically shaming people for not doing what you are doing.

3. For starters the stuff in #2. Or blaming me for your inability to read and remember who I was voting, or because I’m not tunneling on this account, or criticize me for not mentioning people when I don’t have to mention everyone, or saying I’m not going to compromise yet I had just got finished saying I would if I had to.

[Chumba]

The point about not knowing who you were voting was an indictment on your lack of urgency in pushing your scumread.

Nah it was more you not paying attention. Not everyone in mafia is going to have a sense of urgency. Stop trying to put this on me when you can’t take 2 seconds to look at my iso or a VC and know who I’m voting.

Nobody has shown interest in voting my scum reads. The amount of time and energy it would take to basically scream at people and strong arm them isn’t worth it cause I’m not even 100% sure I’m right.

All I know is for whatever reason you are trying too hard to look town and look productive. I can’t tell if it’s genuine or you are scum. Time will tell I guess but if you don’t like how I’m playing vote me or go away. I’m not going to change anything no matter how much you complain about it.

One of my hardest struggles is learning people play different. If you are town you need to learn this also. You are spending more time arguing with somebody you aren’t voting instead of trying to convince others to vote with you.

Yes I know I’m doing the same thing, but I’m intentionally not pushing my scum read for reasons explained already, You actually want to but aren’t.

[Chumba]

You might as well label anything I've ever said as LAMIST.

I actually think your entire play this game is lamist. (See my trying too hard comment).

[Chumba]

You say Roy is obviously scum but are unwilling to push him - I can't understand that mindset from a town perspective.

You’ve never been too busy irl where you have neglected or fallen behind in a game? You’ve never played a game where it’s going to be an uphill battle to convince people to listen to you and you decided that it’s better to just stay out of the way and trust the others to do their thing instead?

Like I said. Think outside of the box.

[Chumba]

I’ve actually played with you where you were busy and didn’t push hard for a lynch on your scum read so idk why you are giving me shit for it.

[Chumba]

What happened to Roy being "so obviously scummy"?

Dude how long have you played mafia? Scummy doesn’t mean scum. He’s the scummiest to me but I not completely certain he’s scum. Day 1 is a crap shoot.

[Chumba]

Right. So I accuse you of LAMIST with a specific example and valid reasoning and you reply by saying everything I do is LAMIST.

It's a cheap retort bordering on desperation.

Your example wasn’t true though. Mine I feel is. It’s not a cheap retort and I have no reason to be desparte.

[Chumba]

A poor excuse, given you have made more posts than anyone in this game. You haven't neglected this game, nor have you fallen behind in it. You are deliberately playing this way.

The only reason why I have more posts now is because i started getting back into the game and then our back and forth which has escalated my post count. I did fall behind because I was basically inactive for a couple of days from this game (which is provable) and no I’m not playing this way deliberately. I’m in the process of preparing my house to sell and have been working on it for the past 6 weeks. I have posts in other games that support that so fuck you for implying I’m lying.

[Chumba]

When was this?

Baseball mafia. Newbie game. You were busy most of day 1, didn’t push hard for wilky, you were NKd night 1

To return to the origin of this: you said scum are more likely to keep their options open, and I've shown you up for doing just this, no matter how much you might deny it.

You haven’t showed anything of the sort. Please stop lying. I have 3 scum reads and I’m only going to vote one of those 3. If you keep lying about me I’m about about to play like my other accounts and death tunnel you. Lying about me is the one thing I’ll never tolerate no matter what account I’m on and you’ve done it twice now. Do it again and it goes from unintentional to intentional

[Chumba]

The problem is there are so many inactive and suspect players this game. The only reason I'm not voting Chumba is because I believe a TIAM lynch is the better option for D1; at least Chumba is producing content and can be sorted later, whereas TIAM has been making excuses all day and will most likely continue to do so.

The only two I townread at the moment are Nero and Moz, and even that's at a stretch.

So basically a policy lynch? Because lack of content unfortunately isn’t a scum tell. I just completed a game where we power lynched town doctor cause he didn’t post any content and he refused to claim in mass claim.

[Chumba]

@Mod

- I don't really understand the logic behind the number of real life days for each game day. Surely D1, with the largest number of players alive, should command the most amount of time before deadline? Is it possible to get an extension, even just by a couple of days, to allow everyone time to make a worthwhile contribution? Otherwise the day might end without certain players providing any content at all.

Lamist

[Chumba]

the potential of a roy wagon makes me happy.

[Chumba]

I just don't like making up stuff to talk about for the heck of it. I don't see anything that interesting so far.

there are definitely things you can talk about. Saying there isn't is a cop out

[Chumba]

Its actually a fact

[Chumba]

The thing is that we don't know roles before we lynch them usually so better to lynch an inactive player that isn't going to help or is going to hurt the team than an active player. Not that LAL usually happens but it's at least something to go on for early day 1.

You realize if we listen to this you would most likely be lynched?

We have multiple people saying others are scum. They are giving reasons for them. The point of this game is to find and lynch scum and to prevent town from being mislynched.

To say there is nothing of value to discuss is a flat out lie. If you are town by choosing not to take part of the process of finding scum you are playing against your win condition. I personally think you are town trolling because your strategy from a scum POV makes no sense.

You aren’t in my lynch pool but based on this exchange I’ll happily follow your own bad advice and hammer you if you get to l-1

[Chumba]

I agree he’s being absurd. I just can’t see why he would say that as scum. I’ve played with him before I think so I need to see how he played that game

[Chumba]

I'm a VT. Nothing to hide here.

Great now do something

[Chumba]

Pretty much the entire playerbase is not scumhunting so no reason to single out me unless you're just randomly going after people.

That’s not true at all. There are some of us who are. Some who aren’t. That doesn’t excuse you. Don’t deflect

[Chumba]

Emergencies. Compromises.
My lynch pool today is [bu, two, Seph]
I'm hapy with my vote where it is right now.

Deadline is later today. You are parked on a wagon that isn’t likely to happen. You have to pick somebody else to prevent a NL. If we NL I will lynch you tomorrow

[Chumba]

VOTE: tiam

[Chumba]

You aren’t in my lynch pool but based on this exchange I’ll happily follow your own bad advice and hammer you if you get to l-1

Cause I said I would before you said you would. I’ve euther hammered scum or a terrible player playing against his win condition

[Chumba]

ohhh nice deflect!

no, scum is TIAM/Golden/Prisim.

I’m with you in the prism scum read. Regardless of tiam’s flip I don’t see town coming from him

[Chumba]

I would never vote golden today. My lynch pool was Roy/arc/you. Tiam pissed me off that I said if he got to l-1 I’d hammer. It’s near deadline and I don’t lie.

[Chumba]

Like how can you call Tiam a lurker when he’s one of the top post counts?

[Chumba]

Nero deserves rope. He is confbiasing. I am town. No reason to lie after I am lynched.

Then please quit mafia if you aren’t going to play

[Chumba]

Would you like to elaborate more on the scumread on me, Chumba?

My earlier reasons plus your recent posts have no town intent imo. They are scummy as fuck and with deadline approaching you trying to start a new wagon is bullshit

[Chumba]

Half of those posts have come in the last two days and are the same act of self-pity/"I just don't have time".

Tbh I didn’t like how he changed his story. First he said there wasn’t anything to discuss which wasn’t true then he said he was busy. That’s basically lying. I don’t tolerate liars. You defending him is suspicious

[Chumba]

VOTE: roy

[Chumba]

also iirc luca was 1v1-ing chumba pretty hard

This isn’t true at all. But I already scum read you so I’m not surprised.

[Chumba]

379/380 are hard setting up to push me in the event TIAM flipped town.

That’s a lie.

[Chumba]

This is strange, considering again TIAM is supposed to be more likely scum and lying.

This is a lie also. I had and still have 3 scum reads. I have Tiam chances to play and he refused and then lied about why he was inactive. Tiam was a straight up policy lynch and I basically said as such.

Man you have to be scum with the bullshit you are shoveling.

[Chumba]

Today the response to Nero accusing me of basically what he was hinting at in 379/380 was to not comment on it at all and instead just naked vote Roy. I don't like it.

379 was me responding to your question. It had literally nothing to do with Tiam or his alignment.

380 again is me responding to you correcting your incorrect interpretation of what Tiam was doing.

I voted roy cause he was who I was trying to lynch yesterday. My vote only came off to policy lynch somebody who played against his win condition. Me going back to Roy shouldn’t surprise anyone.

[Chumba]

379/380 are hard setting up to push me in the event TIAM flipped town.

That’s a lie.

As much as me chainsawing earlier in the game was.

Not even close to the same. 379/380 had absolutely nothing to do with what I’d do if Tiam flipped town. I just explained what 379/380 are about and they have nothing to do with tiam’s alignment.

And I didn’t lie about you chainsawing. That’s how I interpreted your actions and they fit the definition.

[Chumba]

You thinking he was lying, and finding him not town for it, implies you thought he was more likely to be scum than town.

Not really. I hate liars and that plus his inactivity I didn’t really know or care what his alignment was.

[Chumba]

Also "You have to be scum with the shit you're shoveling" while silent voting Roy to start the day.

Come on now.

1. There is nothing wrong with reasonless votes.
2. When my reasons have already been given, I don’t need to state them again.

Come on now

[Chumba]

These posts explicitly state that you think that my defense of TIAM is a scummy move, with no town motivation.

Correct. Your defense of him was scummy with no town motivation. But I was already scum reading you before this and regardless of his flip you’d still be scummy for it.

Also the fact that I didn’t vote you today disproves your entire argument. If I was setting you up to be lynched, I’d have to vote you right?

Roy is scum. I’m not voting anyone else.

So there goes your tinfoil hat theory that I’m coming for you today.

[Chumba]

The point is that I was accused of defending my partner.

Who did this?

[Chumba]

Well Chumba, here I am, I'm lying in your eyes. Are you sure you're not just saying that to discredit me?

No. You are definitely lying. If I had 2 votes I’d vote both but I only have 1

[Chumba]

me

Oh ok.

[Chumba]

also iirc luca was 1v1-ing chumba pretty hard

This isn’t true at all. But I already scum read you so I’m not surprised.

How was this not true? you and luca took up a whole page.

Learn what 1v1 is and come back scum boy.

[Chumba]

but enough that Luca wanted you dead (see my last post)

Maybe you should see your last post and read it again. Read the part where Luca says he doesn’t think I’m a good lynch because I’m producing content and I can be sorted later.

Now let me give you a quick lesson.

You sort people you are unsure of.

You don’t sort people you scum or town read.

So he didn’t want my head like you say.

You guys are going to regret not killing me.

[Chumba]

So my 2 scum reads think scum killed Luca because he suspected me but he didn’t actually suspect me. He said I could be sorted later.

Man if you guys tried to frame me you are going to be recked.

[Chumba]

at least Chumba is producing content and can be sorted later,

Oops. Did you miss that?

Nice try scumboi

[Chumba]

Let’s lynch Roy. If he doesn’t flip scum something screwy is going on and y’all can lynch me tomorrow.

[Chumba]

The problem is there are so many inactive and suspect players this game. The only reason I'm not voting Chumba is because I believe a TIAM lynch is the better option for D1
The only two I townread at the moment are Nero and Moz, and even that's at a stretch.

I think based off of these 2 sentences alone,

very temporarily

towncleared nero and moz, and sus'd chumba.

HOLY SHIT!!!

You deleted that statement from his post?

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT IF UOU WERE TOWN?

You intentionally tried to deceive people.

Here is the complete un-edited post. The bolded is the part arch deleted for some reason. Probably because it didn’t help his agenda of framing me.

The problem is there are so many inactive and suspect players this game. The only reason I'm not voting Chumba is because I believe a TIAM lynch is the better option for D1;

at least Chumba is producing content and can be sorted later, whereas TIAM has been making excuses all day and will most likely continue to do so.

The only two I townread at the moment are Nero and Moz, and even that's at a stretch.

[Chumba]

So Roy is 100% scum
Arch bases on recent events is 95% scum

Prism makes sense as partners with both.

Good game everyone. I ain’t even mad if I get lynched today. Just sheep this post after I’m dead.

[Chumba]

loooool. I shortened it down so that it would be easier to read, I'm not trying to alter history here.

It wasn’t that difficult to read and the part you cut out was relevant to your points. So I don’t believe you.

[Chumba]

Why is Roy the best lynch today?

Your answer is in the post you just quoted. He’s 100% scum

[Chumba]

I can’t convince scum to lynch their scum buddy. I already said I don’t care if I’m Lynched today so your vote doesn’t scare me.

[Chumba]

You lied about the 1v1 because one never happened and you intentionally deceived people by deleting part of his quote and the only reason I can tell for you doing that was it made your argument of Luca scum reading me weaker.

Let’s just assume you are right though. Let’s say Luca did hard scum read me. That still doesn’t mean I’m scum and killed him. There are many reasons to kill people. You not considering other options isn’t a town mentality

You better have your excuses ready when I flip town because you will look like the scum that you are once that happens.

[Chumba]

and you've also done a really fine job of defending yourself against 2 claims i've made against you..... by ad hom-ing me.

I haven’t ad-hom’d you

[Chumba]

Here. Go learn the definition of ad hominem before you falsely accuse people of it - https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... the_Person

I have clearly attacked your play this game. Not you as a person.

[Chumba]

And instead of responding to my argument, you attacked my character (calling me scummy), which is essentially the definition of an Ad-Hom argument.

[Chumba]

Oh man. That’s the fucking funniest thing I’ve evwr heard in mafia.

[Chumba]

That isn’t ad hominem though. I’m not saying you in real life are scummy. I’m saying you in this game are scummy.

[Chumba]

Keep your mind on your town game

So you know I’m town?

[Chumba]

instead of actually attacking the argument itself.

I’ve attacked and disproven all of your arguments. I even showed how your arguments make you more likely to be scum.

You literally have nothing on me

[Chumba]

what?

in real life i am human, and belong to no mafia, werewolf, or any other "scum".
Ad-Hom refers to disregarding, or bypassing the argument on hand, and discrediting that said argument by "taking a stab" at the person making the argument. this has nothing to do with me being a serial killer in my spare time friend.

Please read this - https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... the_Person

[Chumba]

nice misrep btw on the town game. maybe if you knew your town game better, you could be more deceptive as scum?

That wasn’t a misrep. If that wasn’t what you were saying, why not clarify?

I’m probably one of the few people on this site who can perfectly mimic my town game as scum but thanks for caring so much about me.

[Chumba]

But for the record I don't like your reluctance to vote for him

I’m sorry you don’t like it. Despite the arguments, I’m still most certain on roy.

[Chumba]

This is a lie. I never said anything about Luca's interactions with you, or even his read on you

it's not a lie because you specifically said luca's flip points to me being more likely scum.

[Chumba]

#257, 259, #267. All of these are clear statements of suspicion.

257 is just him misrepping me, i don't really consider that valid suspicion, just shit play and given he flipped town I can confirm he played like shit this game.

259 is also a misrep, I took a hard stance on 3 people and was voting my top read. I mean sure he thinks I am doing scummy things, but that doesn't mean he thinks i am scum, and given the fact that he blatantly misrepped me I don't think anyone should put much stock in his opinions. He was wrong about TIAM and he is wrong and lied about me.

267 is just blatant omgus.

He may have had some mild suspicion on me, but I don't think he thought I was actually scum. Maybe I am delusional but he didn't have any real reasons to think I was scum, since all his suspicions were lies and misreps.

[Chumba]

I just want the record to show that if scum succeeds in lynching me today as part of their frame job, please oh please lynch roy/arc/prism once I am dead. The frame job points to arc/prism and well Roy is just scum.

that said, hopefully people are smart enough to realize this is a frame job since arch/prism have given shit reasons for suspecting me which i have basically disproven

[Chumba]

I’ve already explained my reasons yesterday after doing more reading during night phase I came to the conclusion he’s definitely scum.

If you don’t want to lynch him that’s your loss.

[Chumba]

prism is still town

how can you town read him after his blatant misrep of day 1 events?

[Chumba]

I already gave reasons day 1, his end of day 1 play looked bad to me and looking at the vc he definitely looked like scum on the wagon. I also did some reading of isos and such overnight and I really can't see anything that looks town.

[Chumba]

Why not paradox for scum on the wagon?

I mean I guess he could be scum, but he isn't playing like he cares how people view him and I give a slight town lean for that. If he is scum, he cast a a reasonless l-1 vote on somebody he knows is going to flip town. That is a scummy slot to be in and I don't think he has the skill level to defend himself from that.

[Chumba]

Chumba, whats your take on Moz' believe that there are more scum off the TIAM wagon and thus we have a better chance lynching off the wagon but he insists on lynching on the wagon. When asked about it he sidestepped me.

I am having trouble reading moz in general. i find a lot of his play weird and I don't find myself agreeing with him that much so he could also be scum but that isn't really enough right now.

I need to get out of my tunnel vision, that I promised myself I wouldn't get in on this account so if somebody makes a really convincing case on somebody else, I will definitely take it seriously but for right now, I think pressuring roy is a smart play.

[Chumba]

Everyone should read Arch's case on Seph, p461. Entirely agree. Seph is very likely scum.

unfortunately i can't really trust anything arch says anymore. he attempted to deceive people at my expense and I can't see town motivation. If I read that post, I will wonder if he is being honest or attempting to deceive people again.

[Chumba]

reread seraph's end of days posts, and idk it's kind of hard to gauge alignment from it. he's saying what most of us felt, definitely what I felt. This is the issue we have when players play like shit. Scum and town can join a wagon with justified reasons. At least serpah was kind of pushing for the wagon to happen.

let's look at Roy.

238Not sold on tiam being scum
251Now tiam is in his scum pool but i don't see why
post 300 - asks luca why tiam and not Leeon which is weird since both are in his lynch pool. Could be just trying to look busy but idk
342he just settles for tiam. Settling imo implies he was pushing somebody else first and that wasn't happening.

Roy wasn't pushing for anyone's lynch though. He voted Bu but removed it 2 whole posts later. Did you get that? 238 he votes, 240 he unvotes.

Bu is in his lynch pool, TIAM puts him to L-1, roy backs off but keeps bu in his lynch pool.

If I am right at roy, I will probably want to look into bu more for possible buddy, but nothing from roy looks town.

[Chumba]

I just said I didn’t have an issue with your push. Idk why you felt the need to make that post towards me.

[Chumba]

Wonder who talked about ongoing games.

Do not make any assumptions about this either.

This is a mod edit.

[Chumba]

Sorry guys. Family emergency came up and not going to be able to focus on the game for a while. This is probably for the best anyway.

reauest replacement

UNVOTE:

[Chumba]

Thanks fitz for salvaging my slot

sorry guys