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[SirCakez]

WASSUP
VOTE: Titus

[SirCakez]

Cakez! Hi!

VOTE: osuka

YOURE ALIVE

[SirCakez]

VOTE: black ranger

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: Wake. VOTE: BlackRanger. I don't like his last two posts. They scream to me, "Hey, I exist, bye!" Also, he didn't continue the story.

Your story is fucking stupid and the only reason why I didn't give an opinion on it sooner was because it was -EV to do so.

scummy ass reaction
I agree Black Ranger's earlier posts on pg 2 were bad too

[SirCakez]

the black ranger wagon is bad. wanton aggression is towny or null at worst. in my experience scum are careful to not ruffle feathers, especially this early.

please join me on the osuka wagon. thanks in advance.

that's not the primary reason I'm voting BR

[SirCakez]

Stopped reading bob vs osuka after about 10 posts. Way to clog up the game guys.

VOTE: fwogcarf

ok

Scum reaction
VOTE: feog
Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"

[SirCakez]

Yeah his vote on me seemed like he wanted to be serious but also joking which I disliked

[SirCakez]

It was kind of a weird vote, yeah.

I'm asking because you changed your vote there immediately after I pointed out you were voting Titus the IC, and the timing struck me funny. That didn't influence you at all though?

No, not really. I moved b/c my vote on Titus was not serious (I was aware she's IC lol) and I saw a reason to make a serious vote.

[SirCakez]

Stopped reading bob vs osuka after about 10 posts. Way to clog up the game guys.

VOTE: fwogcarf

ok

Scum reaction
VOTE: feog
Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"

Who's more scummy, me or Ranger?

You cuz posts like 145 stink and Black Ranger hasn't posted in a bit

Not crazy about Drew entrance. Seems like a lot of nothing plus the Umlaut SR.
No idea how to read bob.

[SirCakez]

Nahdia seems sort of townie? I haven't played with her in ages so my meta is junk.

[SirCakez]

so realtalk, did anyone else just like... not read the whole bob/osuka thing? show of hands? o/

Why?

sarcasm, my dude

Nahdia seems sort of townie? I haven't played with her in ages so my meta is junk.

mmmmm why? any reasoning besides stale meta?

you seem to not care about other players which is a good thing alignment-wise

Black Ranger's posts read really overwrought. like they're trying to make sure everything looks right. I dislike it.

[SirCakez]

It's weird that he voted fwog with me though

[SirCakez]

1. Your story gives scum a means of coasting through the game all under the guise of "it's all in good fun"!

2. Calling it out prematurely denies information.

3. Calling ME out on not continuing the story means you surely don't care about using this story as a means of finding coasting scum.

This is the kind of post that is usually made by asshole town, i mean sure. The attitude is kind of douchey, but probably town.

Why though? I see asshole scum making this post too.

VOTE: SirCakez Dislike some of your posts.
Post 65, it's apparently a "scummy reaction" from BR to shit on a guy making story time in the Mafia thread? Why would that be indicative of scumminess? The story thing had nothing to do with the game, so any emotional outburst from it you can apparently deduce as scum/town?
Post 137, Nahdia asked why you scumread BR and you give some half-assed explanation about scum trying to get in "content". I do not see what you mean? Post 141 elaborates, but why would a single RVS vote give off such an strong reaction from you?

Because it's a huge overreaction. Like scum defensiveness in response to the accusation part of Lucky's post.
2. It's not really a strong read? It was five pages into the game. Why assume it was?

[SirCakez]

2. It's not really a strong read? It was five pages into the game. Why assume it was?

It is also to be mentioned that Cakez is trying to say he wasn’t being serious about his read on BR. But a simple look into his previous posts will prove that to be blatantly false.

A weak read is something you’d pounce at with the strenght of an trained attack dog? A weak read is something you’d use such language as: "scummy ass reaction" from BR to justify?
How does that fit into your explanation for your behaviour?

Misrep. Not strong =/= I'm not serious. I am very serious.
What are you trying to get at here? I can call stuff out and not feel super confident about it. It's ridiculous that you're trying to paint me as scummy for not having a 100% SUPER LOCK SURE SCUMREAD on someone this early in the game.

Why are you so desperate to defend BR, hmm?

[SirCakez]

Why are you so desperate to defend BR, hmm?

This sounds fake.

I'm just frustrated with Norwegian. I don't even want to keep responding to his posts because it feels like he's gonna find any way he can to mold it to his side.

Also now that Zoey's Mafia is over I can say that Fen seems like his town play from that game. I misread him there so hopefully I won't repeat that here.

[SirCakez]

Fenraiser is a slot I really like I think his analyses were really good even if im not sure of my stance on them.

Fwog has also been pretty towny imo and cakez's response to whatever he said is part of the reason im sheeping norwee here.

What are you referring to here in "my response to fwog"?

VOTE: SirCakez Dislike some of your posts.

I'm trending town on Cakez. I had the

impression

that he was leaning into a scumread on me. Word choice here matters, because his initial vote was weak but added reasons on later to stay there. It read more like kayfabe performed to see what happened.

Let's get Fen who is a sideshow bickering heel.

almost want to TR you for the pro wrestling references

[SirCakez]

I don't think a Nahdia wagon would be bad, but i'd like to settle some scores first.

What scores? Why does this prevent you from voting Nahdia?

why do you think Nahdia scum here Titus? Want to hear your opinion cuz I can't figure her out.

[SirCakez]

I don't think a Nahdia wagon would be bad, but i'd like to settle some scores first.

What scores? Why does this prevent you from voting Nahdia?

why do you think Nahdia scum here Titus? Want to hear your opinion cuz I can't figure her out.

what are your feelings on her. Even if from those feelings you cant get a solid read?

I lean town but apparently several SR her which is why I'm looking for input.

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

[SirCakez]

this game is slower than slower than molasses jeez
like the Puppy entrance and that's about all I have to add here

[SirCakez]

Starting to think osuka maybe town

[SirCakez]

I’m not really seeing that many convincing arguments yet and that’s probably why i can’t pay much attention to all that’s going on. I’m keeping my vote on Cakez and suggest we lynch there. But all in all i’d jusy like to end day 1 so discussion maybe will have more meaning to me.

really bad post
so waffly and like umlaut said it contradicts itself

[SirCakez]

I'll admit to a little OMGUS but knowing I'm town the desire to do a lynch on me early reads very scummily

[SirCakez]

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

[SirCakez]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

[SirCakez]

There is no bob v cakez lol
I would definitely go back to a BR wagon

[SirCakez]

Need a VC
If fwog wagon is dead I'll go back to BR for consolidation

[SirCakez]

Wake's absence is also concerning
He was a lot more active as town in the Mini I played with him recently

[SirCakez]

i don't want to argue, i just want to know what u're thinking

having the conf town declare what the right wagons are will not be useful to me tomorrow

having the conf town walk me through a 100% town thought process will

I feel those three wagons are most likely to hit scum. Most of the suspicions are T v T. BR, osaka, nahdia, and fro all feel town.

Bob v Cakez feels fake. Drew feels like an instigator. I doubt all of these are scum. The way people vote will set up associatives.

Last I checked the leading wagon was still fwog. If you want to move people off of it, making some kind of case that he's town seems like a good idea.

Wake's absence is also concerning
He was a lot more active as town in the Mini I played with him recently

Do you think that the IRL issues he's cited are an inadequate explanation?

I didn't realize he had IRL issues.
But then he came in and claimed he's playing a "minimalist style"? That seems to not fit with his IRL issues.

cakez, when you said you felt like i was town you hedged by saying your meta is really old so therefore maybe invalid. is there anything specific from my townplay that you were thinking of there? also would like to hear more on your fwog thoughts actually. like, i see you basically quoting a few posts and shading them and i dont necessarily disagree but i need some INSIGHT to your thought process here.

I seem to remember you playing more casually and caring less as town, which you are living up to here. Less concern about how people view you.
My fwog read is pretty stale tbh. I will review and come back to you.

[SirCakez]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone? EBWOP

No I SR fwog for other stuff.

[SirCakez]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

I assume you mean Norwegian here?
You're misrepping me reallly bad by saying that I'm SRing Norwegian for trying to lynch me. I'm SRing that because he's trying to end the day early by lynching me when we still have time left.
I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

[SirCakez]

Now I remember why I've been SRing fwog all game. He keeps making waffly, useless active posts like these below;

fwogcarf

but i think i got what i wanted.

VOTE: fwogcarf


Have you not got any views on anything else. Why does everythign you could comment on only be about osuka vs bob ?

Because nothing else has happened this game worth commenting on.

Really interesting to see multiple votes on me without explanation

anyway going to analyze stuff

Or when he does talk about people it's very waffly and noncommital

@fwo Don't worry about proving yourself. Go forth with confidence. Act as if there's no wagon on you. You can do this. Tell me your current theory.

Osuka and Bob certaintly isn't SvS (Scum v Scum). I don't see two wolves attacking each other like they did and might continue doing. I can see them both being scum, and I'll present these points with refreshed information from other people.

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Bob's rushing to answer is NAI. He also brings some valid points, but he brings his anger out on everybody else after the main event of the argument ended, which I can see a wolf doing out of pure frustration.

Regarding other players, Nahdia is meh, Cakez and Drew are reachy, and Umlaut is fine

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Is there much behind this "meh" read?

not really but i have nothing else at this point

And I dislike his Nahdia push.

[SirCakez]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

I assume you mean Norwegian here?
You're misrepping me reallly bad by saying that I'm SRing Norwegian for trying to lynch me. I'm SRing that because he's trying to end the day early by lynching me when we still have time left.
I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

i was talking about both but i do think i got bit mixed up when writing the posts. The first half was intented to be about nord and the later about ranger.


So you say its not because of the fact that he wants to lynch you but becuase he wants to end it now. ok. But still your really just splitting hairs here as it all still comes down to you pushign a player for wantign your lynch. What real difference does it make if he wants you today or tommorrow. It migth have been half way day one and although i do think thats to early to end the day. I dont see it as valid reason to scum read some alone. As unless you have meta on nord saying that he always waits until the last minute as town. I cant see that alone being enough to back up the validity of your scum read on him. As i would expect that you would have to find something significantly wrong with his scum read towards you. To think the fact that nord is happy to end the day with your lynch rather than wait a few more days to be a significant enough to form a scum read around it. But all i can find is you saying he misrepped one of your posts with no follow up on it. Everythign else you were on the defensive

So what in his read of you is significant enough to warrant such scum read when combined with him being happy to end teh day now with your lynch. What makes you think he isnt town happy he has found scum. As for you to conclude teh time issue means scum. There must be something. and i would of expected you to be pushign him over it.


Barely any more about Black ranger than that one post. Below is teh only other two posts i found a reference to ranger in that you were not either responding too or making fluff post.

"Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"" 137
"Black Ranger's posts read really overwrought. like they're trying to make sure everything looks right. I dislike it." 211

So far from this posts here you have only extented you read on him to add over-agressive.

What do you make of his reads? On other players reads of him?
What do you think is his scum motivation for any push or town read he may have pushed?

Your read on ranger is really shallow and amounts to two-three lines.

On Nord - my SR there is pretty weak and only evidenced by that push to end the day we've been discussing. I have other much stronger SRs and I'm not sure why you think my SR on that post = a super strong SR on Nord. I've called one post of his and you're acting like I'm deathtunneling him.
On BR - I don't like getting into things like motivations for certain pushes until we have flips. I'm reading him off tone here. And I always play like this, none of my reads are ever super fleshed out or detailed.

I also don't want to get into some huge wall war with you like you did with osuka earlier.

[SirCakez]

How am I wishy washy? I've been very consistent on all of my reads.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

I don't think a Nahdia wagon would be bad, but i'd like to settle some scores first.

What scores? Why does this prevent you from voting Nahdia?

why do you think Nahdia scum here Titus? W

ant to hear your opinion cuz I can't figure her out.

this game is slower than slower than molasses

jeez
like the Puppy entrance and that's about all I have to add here

Starting to think osuka maybe town

I mean

he kind of

was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

Need a VC

If fwog wagon is dead I'll go back to BR for consolidation

Wake's absence is also concerning
He was a lot more active as town in the Mini I played with him recently

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

I assume you mean Norwegian here?
You're misrepping me reallly bad by saying that I'm SRing Norwegian for trying to lynch me. I'm SRing that because he's trying to end the day early by lynching me when we still have time left.
I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

i was talking about both but i do think i got bit mixed up when writing the posts. The first half was intented to be about nord and the later about ranger.


So you say its not because of the fact that he wants to lynch you but becuase he wants to end it now. ok. But still your really just splitting hairs here as it all still comes down to you pushign a player for wantign your lynch. What real difference does it make if he wants you today or tommorrow. It migth have been half way day one and although i do think thats to early to end the day. I dont see it as valid reason to scum read some alone. As unless you have meta on nord saying that he always waits until the last minute as town. I cant see that alone being enough to back up the validity of your scum read on him. As i would expect that you would have to find something significantly wrong with his scum read towards you. To think the fact that nord is happy to end the day with your lynch rather than wait a few more days to be a significant enough to form a scum read around it. But all i can find is you saying he misrepped one of your posts with no follow up on it. Everythign else you were on the defensive

So what in his read of you is significant enough to warrant such scum read when combined with him being happy to end teh day now with your lynch. What makes you think he isnt town happy he has found scum. As for you to conclude teh time issue means scum. There must be something. and i would of expected you to be pushign him over it.


Barely any more about Black ranger than that one post. Below is teh only other two posts i found a reference to ranger in that you were not either responding too or making fluff post.

"Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"" 137
"Black Ranger's posts read really overwrought. like they're trying to make sure everything looks right. I dislike it." 211

So far from this posts here you have only extented you read on him to add over-agressive.

What do you make of his reads? On other players reads of him?
What do you think is his scum motivation for any push or town read he may have pushed?

Your read on ranger is really shallow and amounts to two-three lines.

On Nord - my SR there is pretty weak

and only evidenced by that push to end the day we've been discussing. I have other much stronger SRs and I'm not sure why you think my SR on that post = a super strong SR on Nord. I've called one post of his and you're acting like I'm deathtunneling him.

On BR - I don't like getting into things like motivations for certain pushes until we have flips.

I'm reading him off tone here. And I always play like this, none of my reads are ever super fleshed out or detailed.

I also don't want to get into some huge wall war with you like you did with osuka earlier.

Read above. Bolded is what I'm discussing.

In my mind, the focus on BR but your vote is on feog. You cast a wide net and the language appears without conviction.

Again, that's my view. I've never played with you so this might need to be adjusted at my end but that's what I'm seeing.

To me, lack of conviction identifies active lurking, which is wishy washy and allows you, the slot, to move between wagons as you see fit. What holds me back is you haven't flip flopped through. Which is why I've got interest in you but reservations about declaring you a SR.

thanks this makes a lot more sense
tbh this is just my playstyle that you're reading into. I'm never very confident in anything.

Take a look at votes on me tbh. Really weak reasons to vote me there.

What is this discrediting? Why are the votes on you weak?

[SirCakez]

What is this discrediting? Why are the votes on you weak?

Both Drew and Umlaut are both voting based on me stating i'd like to vote a scumread and end the day. I myself would never vote someone for that.

Why not?

[SirCakez]

what's the relation of 381 there? it's an osuka post.

[SirCakez]

I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

There's posts where I've looked back and realized I made no sense at all in. Especially when I made an interjection that made it seem like I was speaking to the contrary of the first remark I had just made when I really ended up saying something like ", but ..." as if I were continuing the conversation - you know - verbally, where the tone would clue in that I wasn't weighing the two statements, but instead putting prose before hoes.

I'll try to find some.

This didn't really track considering Luciano got upset with me for not posting in a way he'd like. If his motive was getting people to vote he was well positioned on Wake. I

do

feel like scum would try to get more out of their play here and just tell me to fuck off instead of give up like this.

I meant to say "this

wouldn't

track

if

(the quote within the quote) was game relevant" so therefore yada yada I felt like scum would fight me on it rather than give up. I had the post I was replying to buffered in my head and never cleared it because on some level I just don't give a shit about any of you and want you to suffer through my posts.

I think their scumread on Nahdia is fine, but I was hoping they were holding their cards closer to their chest between the "meh read" to 'vote" posts I highlighted earlier, meaning they were hiding their progression on this slot to get reactions, as Nahda

had not posted in this time

. I think this is townie on part of fwog, because scum would have pulled the trigger sooner. I guess if fwog were to flip scum we'd have to see who was getting votes in this time but it seems like a waste of time to me right now.

Meant to say "as I was hoping"

Then there was that dealeo with "who is encouraging who to build townblocs"

I do have games on this site. Two of them I shared in my iso. If you think my tone is off, do the work.

hmmm I have to admit I like this response. I understand what you mean here, I sometimes have problems with wording like this too.
I could just be misreading BR's posting style as scumminess.

[SirCakez]

Cakez's random "bad post" pop ins have been one ping for me. I also pointed out him miscontruing norwees words in an attempt to omgus. he also literally said that bc he knows hes town that he automatically reads the push on him as scummy.. as if thats reasonable at all.

That was not a miscontruction...other people agreed with me.

[SirCakez]

Titus whats the difference between me and wake that you're willing to lynch me and not them

Wake's seems IRL motivated.

He claimed he's playing a minimalist play style though.

[SirCakez]

That might be so but it creates ambiguity in the pool from whom we're trying to learn from. This ambiguity is not helpful to town and hinders our progress, since it provides space to hide for scum IMHO.

BTW, I'm not arguing with you - simply presenting my challenges with his slot.

yeah I know I find it suspicious as well. that's why I brought it up to Titus.

[SirCakez]

@cakez - I would like to hear your thoughts on Fen slot too, please.

I misread him badly recently so I'm hesitant to SR here. I haven't seen anything grievously offensive from him.

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone? EBWOP

No I SR fwog for other stuff.

Your ISO isn't explaining it.

Move on or save us from the big bad fwog slot from endgaming us, please.

coulda sworn I talked about it
basically fwog is very waffly and has a lot of useless posts, rather than true scumhunting

I think we should leave setup spec to Titus.

Titus: how do you feel about Cakez through meta? Have they leveled up their scumgame lately? I recall that they lurk to avoid making the inevitable slip which they then immediately give up on the game over. I feel some presence from Cakez here.

you're an alt?

Not really interested in bob lynch :/

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Now I remember why I've been SRing fwog all game. He keeps making waffly, useless active posts like these below;

fwogcarf

but i think i got what i wanted.

VOTE: fwogcarf


Have you not got any views on anything else. Why does everythign you could comment on only be about osuka vs bob ?

Because nothing else has happened this game worth commenting on.

Really interesting to see multiple votes on me without explanation

anyway going to analyze stuff

Or when he does talk about people it's very waffly and noncommital

@fwo Don't worry about proving yourself. Go forth with confidence. Act as if there's no wagon on you. You can do this. Tell me your current theory.

Osuka and Bob certaintly isn't SvS (Scum v Scum). I don't see two wolves attacking each other like they did and might continue doing. I can see them both being scum, and I'll present these points with refreshed information from other people.

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Bob's rushing to answer is NAI. He also brings some valid points, but he brings his anger out on everybody else after the main event of the argument ended, which I can see a wolf doing out of pure frustration.

Regarding other players, Nahdia is meh, Cakez and Drew are reachy, and Umlaut is fine

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Is there much behind this "meh" read?

not really but i have nothing else at this point

And I dislike his Nahdia push.

Why I strongly SR fwog

[SirCakez]

I don't see a scumslip there

[SirCakez]

Cakez you dont get to.sr fwog for the poat he made refusing to go into nahdia before she came back to the thread

He went more into it later. How is the push bad?

because it's for NAI things
the push was still based on things from earlier in the game

[SirCakez]

I can do Manatee; I liked that sorta-case that someone posted a while ago. Frustrated that fwog is not getting pressure. Sus that Nowegian has vanished.

[SirCakez]

I can do Manatee; I liked that sorta-case that someone posted a while ago. Frustrated that fwog is not getting pressure. Sus that Nowegian has vanished.

I've been pressured already if you want to look back a couple days.

You scumread Norwegian?

yeah but not strongly
I'm worried I'm just misreading their push on me

[SirCakez]

voting cakez based on his miscontruition and reaction to being voted.

What does this mean

[SirCakez]

VOTE: manatee

[SirCakez]

Ok so I'm aware I don't look great here
That said I want to go here
VOTE: wake

Also I find it hilarious that bob and osuka were both town

[SirCakez]

Cakez said because hes town people pushing him automatically makes him suspicious of their slot

This is stripped of nuance

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

what else is new

I agree Manatee is probably town here

[SirCakez]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

[SirCakez]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

[SirCakez]

I think Manatee is probably town.

I agree Manatee is probably town here

why

He was CC to Drew

[SirCakez]

CW rather

[SirCakez]

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

What makes you think this Cakez?

Cuz osuka was active and generally townread. Like I don't see much motivation behind it with Bob dead.

I think Manatee is probably town.

I agree Manatee is probably town here

why

He was CW to Drew

Him being the counterwagon to scum is not enough alone. Look at context.

It was an EoD wagon and folks refused to vote Manatee. There's two likely possibilities.

One, town refused to vote town.

Two, scum decided a town wagon wouldn't take and bussed their weaker partner.

Lil confused
Which of these do you think?

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

What makes you think this Cakez?

Because if a wolf (or SK) who didn't want to engage with the thread wanted an easy kill, I think the first choices would have been bob, titus, and osuka.

Fen did you townread bob and/or osuka?

Why answer this for me?

[SirCakez]

After looking at these counts, I agree: he really doesn't look great. He naked-voted onto the Manatee wagon in a way that and then disappeared when the Drew wagon appeared.

This is accurate ftr
I didn't really engage Drew much at all. He was totally in my Blindspot.

Also I'm hesitant to call the Manatee wagon scum driven now that Umlaut brings back up who was actually on it

[SirCakez]

I agree Drew was bussed but I don't know if it necessarily implicates Manatee

[SirCakez]

I agree Drew was bussed but I don't know if it necessarily implicates Manatee

Who do you agree with? Who has actually espoused the view that Drew was bused?

Titus did, that's who I'm agreeing with

[SirCakez]

Drew-Sta (8) - osuka, ManateeDude, Umlaut, Titus, NorwegianboyEE, Fenraiser, bob3141, Nahdia

hmmm
I think digging in between Umlaut and Fen is a good idea here

I feel I'm getting nowhere parked on Wake so I'm gonna move over to
VOTE: Norwegian
who has continued to bother me today

[SirCakez]

We need four votes in a few hours. This is not looking good. I have faith though.

Oh, you’re right.
VOTE: Drew-sta
This has the most votes right?

this looks like a bus vote

I'm on Black Ranger's side. Agree with pretty much all of post 862.
VOTE: Umlaut

sheeping BR

Well, at least I don't have to be paranoid about Bob's claim now.

Sir this is a bad post

Very LAMIST. It pinged me too.

more sheeping

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

basically OMGUS

and the rest of his ISO from today is theory/setup argument
it's even worse than I thought

[SirCakez]

I know some have suggested Umlaut scum; I need to dig into him more.

[SirCakez]

I like Cakez progression here.

He's just spouting garbage lmao. "Norwegian looks to be in a decent spot to buss here", there's no reasoning behind his statements. Just making up whatever truth he finds convenient to push me again. How can you like that progression? Just because it is there?

Is it not true? You can just OMGUS me but it doesn't take away any of the validity in your ISO today being awful.

"This could be bussing, maybe." "It's bad because i think it is."
Pretty much shading 101 post 956.

Sure, call me calling your scummy posts shading and not accurate statements.

[SirCakez]

I forgot if I said this earlier but I'm TRing BR now. Think that's worth pointing out since I spent a lot of day 1 on him.

[SirCakez]

Really, Norwegian just wants to discredit me now rather than actually scumhunt
As easily viewable in his ISO

[SirCakez]

cakez can you explain why you felt like you looked bad coming into today?

I sorta already talked about this. Umlaut is pretty accurate. I just wanted to address the elephant in the room.

After looking at these counts, I agree: he really doesn't look great. He naked-voted onto the Manatee wagon in a way that and then disappeared when the Drew wagon appeared.

This is accurate ftr
I didn't really engage Drew much at all. He was totally in my Blindspot.

Also I'm hesitant to call the Manatee wagon scum driven now that Umlaut brings back up who was actually on it

:\ game is hard. maybe it's nothing. i do agree the way he outed them just by calling agreeing with someone "sheeping" with no explanation is a bit flat.

I didn't know what else term to use there. Like is there a word for "agreeing with someone else and just following them without making a point of your own"?

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

@Cakez

Why is this OMGUS? Could you explain this again? I already commented why wanting to end the day given the pace of the thread is reasonable for a townie to make. What do you think of Norwee's explanation of hia mindset after the initial ping post?

I'm going on Norwe's post here and how he emphasizes that he suspects Umlaut and myself for pushing a wagon on him (even though I didn't actually push a wagon on him yesterday). It seems like they pushed me = scum trying to wagon me.

[SirCakez]

Takes 6 to lynch.

@Manatee
Any reason you're not voting your scumread?

I was also wondering this btw seems kind of weird since I've been his top scumread all game iirc

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

@Cakez

Why is this OMGUS? Could you explain this again? I already commented why wanting to end the day given the pace of the thread is reasonable for a townie to make. What do you think of Norwee's explanation of hia mindset after the initial ping post?

I'm going on Norwe's post here and how he emphasizes that he suspects Umlaut and myself for pushing a wagon on him (even though I didn't actually push a wagon on him yesterday). It seems like they pushed me = scum trying to wagon me.

I guess this isn't exactly OMGUS but I don't know a better thing to call it

[SirCakez]

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

basically OMGUS

You gave your opinions on his other votes, but his push on you day 1 was basically his baby. Can this really be OMGUS, and how do you feel about how you reached L-4 yesterday?

If Norwegian is scum to you, does this make Umlaut town?

I don't think his overall push is OMGUS - rather I found that specific post to be. I kinda talked about it already, it's not exactly OMGUS but I don't know what else to call it.
Not necessarily. I haven't seen any interactions between them that preclude SvS.

[SirCakez]

my Nahdia townread has really died down since D1. She hasn't pulled together like I thought she would.
Reminded to say that with BR's vote

[SirCakez]

Not gonna buy any "no scum on Drew wagon" stuff

[SirCakez]

Not gonna buy any "no scum on Drew wagon" stuff

again my point isn't that i think there definitely wasn't any scum on drew's wagon. my point is that i think it's scummy to use "someone bussed drew" as a foundational assumption when there's a distinct possibility it was all town. feels like a logical leap shortcut to look like your reads are justified.

I mean there are multiple people who look suspicious and put crappy votes down on the Drew wagon so I kinda do find it a leap to call that wagon all town

If Norwegian is scum to you, does this make Umlaut town?

-snip-
Not necessarily. I haven't seen any interactions between them that preclude SvS.

How do you feel about Umlaut challenging Norwegian's push on you in 283 and 291 with the push back from Norwegian in 372, 373?

Nothing in particular? Am I supposed to be feeling something from it? It doesn't look particularly townie or scummy on Umlaut's end. I've already talked about why I disliked that particular push from Norwegian.


I actually do kinda like Fen's argument for BR, and his reaction with the "if you're town fuck off" was bad.

[SirCakez]

Not gonna buy any "no scum on Drew wagon" stuff

bad take that isnt explained or executed properly

Are you disagreeing?
I already don't understand Nahdia's take.

[SirCakez]

Sircakez has a birthday cake. Cute.

huh it's been a long time since I joined

[SirCakez]

I concur
but I prefer other wagons over either of those

[SirCakez]

Which oned cakez

norwe really
"other wagons" as in multiple was misleading on my part

Nothing in particular? Am I supposed to be feeling something from it? It doesn't look particularly townie or scummy on Umlaut's end. I've already talked about why I disliked that particular push from Norwegian.

Umlaut was pushing Norwegian to develop a better read on you, see "tone policing vs game solving" and when Norwegian admitted there was nobody interesting in the game outside of you Umlaut critiqued him on a lack of town mindset to which Norwegian snapped back at him over.

I feel good about people trying to improve other players reads but most importantly I think Umlaut and Norwegian would be one of the least likely teams here especially with the last set of posts.

mmk I just think it's Norwe anyways

[SirCakez]

why has this game died so hard?

[SirCakez]

Willing to go back on Wake

[SirCakez]

VOTE: wake
This game needs a flip so badly let's progress

[SirCakez]

Cakez, you have mentioned several times that the game is dead. Do you feel that you have given your thoughts on everything that's worth talking about? Do you think that without a flip that there is no more meaningful discussion to be had? I understand that other players may not be active, what questions do you have for them when they check in?

I mean I could dive into ISOs and do walls and all that but I just don't see the point. I don't feel like people are listening to me anyways; I feel like I presented a decent case for Norwegian and it got ignored mostly.

[SirCakez]

Cakez I think Norwegian is close to a consensus read here. Isn't it possible for town to sheep me and why are you narrowing the pool of a bus vote squarely to where Norwegian is?

It's not just to where Norwegian is; Fen and Umlaut are in there too.
Wdym a consensus read?

[SirCakez]

I do want to look into Fen more soon ish but tomorrow is father's day so it's not gonna happen then

[SirCakez]

Cakez, you have mentioned several times that the game is dead. Do you feel that you have given your thoughts on everything that's worth talking about? Do you think that without a flip that there is no more meaningful discussion to be had? I understand that other players may not be active, what questions do you have for them when they check in?

I mean I could dive into ISOs and do walls and all that but I just don't see the point. I don't feel like people are listening to me anyways; I feel like I presented a decent case for Norwegian and it got ignored mostly.

I'm listening to you. If at any point you flip town, everyone has reason to go back and look at your walls because they will know they are town motivated. I'm having trouble with your slot because you aren't doing things that I've seen town!Cakez do in all 4 of the games I've seen you as town. Help me by producing more content.

I see where you're coming from but I really don't feel like this is the case. I have called people scum and been lynched/killed then been ignored more than once.

On BR - I don't like getting into things like motivations for certain pushes until we have flips. I'm reading him off tone here. And I always play like this, none of my reads are ever super fleshed out or detailed.

We have flips of two players that BR interacted with. Can you start talking about motivations now? Or if you have, can you point me to where?

I have been doing a little VCA/wagon analysis. I've been looking at whose interacted with Drew moreso. How does BR relate?

Ok so I'm aware I don't look great here
That said I want to go here
VOTE: wake

Also I find it hilarious that bob and osuka were both town

Why is this hilarious when you apparently thought they were both town?

Spoiler: bob

Not really interested in bob lynch :/

Spoiler: osuka

Starting to think osuka maybe town

I think Wake is a really good SK suspect

I could believe Wake SK, but what makes him a

really good

suspect beyond the ultra-lurking?

He has no associatives with anyone and osuka seems like a kill someone not really paying attention would make

What makes you think this Cakez?

Cuz osuka was active and generally townread. Like I don't see much motivation behind it with Bob dead.

because they spent most of day 1 1v1ing each other

I think one of Nahdia and Cakez is town and the other is mafia.

where are you pulling this from?

[SirCakez]

I see I'm wagoned up. I'm a VT.

I'm not super inclined on a BR wagon rn. I see the waffli-ness around his Drew engagements but I feel his response here has been town.
Lucky presents some decent reasons to kill Fen and I don't especially TR him but I'm annoyed that Norwegian has been putting trash out all day and is getting away with it. I really think their play around Drew was super bad and very likely forced bussing by circumstance.Maybe they'll go if I get mislynched here.
I like Lucky slot more now. The way he revived this pretty-dead game has a lot of town motivation behind it.

@Fenraiser, help me understand where you are on Cakez now. You were okay lynching him earlier, but have refrained from commenting on the wagon. Your only comments relating to Cakez today after saying you were okay lynching him are these:

We need four votes in a few hours. This is not looking good. I have faith though.

Oh, you’re right.
VOTE: Drew-sta
This has the most votes right?

I kinda agree with Cakez, especially with the question thrown in tbh.

What exactly were you agreeing with Cakez on, and what question was it that you liked?

Wagon on me was scum attempting to push an wagon for a shit reason.
Drew and Umlaut both voted me.
Still suspect Cakez based on this.

@Cakez

Why is this OMGUS? Could you explain this again? I already commented why wanting to end the day given the pace of the thread is reasonable for a townie to make. What do you think of Norwee's explanation of hia mindset after the initial ping post?

Cakez responded to you in 994. What do you think of his response, and why did you not address it earlier?

this feels like posturing to avoid being associoated with a mislynch on Fen's part

UNVOTE:
we can do better than a Wake lynch

[SirCakez]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the post I quoted you said you weren't going to get into the motives of BR's actions until you had flips. He interacted noninsignificantly with both Osuka and Bob. They have both flipped. Are you more willing to read into BR's motivations from D1 now?

You misunderstand kinda. I meant in general, not specifically in regard to BR. That said I would look more at them now. I'm curious what you're referring to, you seem to be pushing me toward some conclusion.

I get your Nahdia or Cakez is scum thing now but I don't understand why Umlaut is being ruled out?

[SirCakez]

He's engaging me which is why it looks like I'm "trying harder"
It's easier to post stuff when other people are posting

[SirCakez]

I'm not pushing anyone toward any conclusion. I'm pushing people to produce content that will help me understand their thought processes.

Re: Umlaut, I felt that Drew's read progression on Umlaut was odd. I wasn't sure if it felt off because he was taking reads on town or on a scumbuddy, but it definitely struck me as strongly AI. With Umlaut's role on the Drew lynch + the way that Drew/Umlaut's votes don't make sense together as mafia, I've ruled out Umlaut as mafia. That means when looking at how mafia interpreted wagon trajectories they assumed Umlaut was town, even if he turns out to be SK. I'm not married to the SK read either, he could be town. I am married to the not-mafia read though.

Pedit: Cool. Do wagon analysis then, or something productive. You have turned into a lurker who instantly appeared for the Cakez wagon, made an excuse not to produce content while playing elsewhere on site, and then instantly reappeared when called out on it only to make another excuse for not producing content.

I mean I've said that yeah BR didn't look great around Drew yesterday but his content today redeems him. Not sure what else you want from me.

Consider that Norwegian's lack of content and motivation is scum induced.

[SirCakez]

You seemed to be fine voting Wake wagon with me earlier Cakez. Now you’re back to shading me.

I'm not shading you I'm just calling you scum
I bailed on Wake wagon because it seems like something else might actually happen

[SirCakez]

I bailed on Wake wagon because it seems like something else might actually happen

The alternate wagon to Wake has been you. I know you want Norwegian. I don't know if I'm voting going there at the moment. I will reread your posts on Norwegian in a few hours. In the meantime, who do you think is most likely to be scum outside of Norwegian?

I think Fen is a decent option based on the Drew wagon and his behavior.
I guess maybe Nahdia? I've been TRing her most of the game but her play is just really bad lately and it fits with one scum being on Manatee wagon.

[SirCakez]

@Cakez, can I get more details? What exactly about the Drew wagon and Fen's behavior makes you willing to lynch Fen?

Why have you been townreading Nahdia, and what about her recent play (1) is different from her early play, and (2) is worth scumreading?

Early on I felt like she was playing to her town meta as I recallled it from a few years ago, like not caring too much about the game and not getting into big pushes. But now I wonder if she's just burnt out and/or unmotivated as a result of being scum and I've been misreading it. She hasn't done much to show town motivations to me and she fits in as a scum on the Manatee wagon.
And she also just replaced out so

On Fen - going back to ISO his day 1 and looking at Drew interactions it seems like he was feeding Drew a lot of questions to work off of that could easily be scum-scum interactions.

Run me again for drew!scum pls.

Where was this willingness to lynch drew when it mattered? Because some end of day show that you would

totally lynch Drew guys

doesn't mean shit to anyone.

Do you think Manatee is scum, or do you think my brilliant scumplay here is to actively draw attention to myself in order to dismantle a wagon on town at the end of the day?

Brother Umlaut you dodged the question and somehow made it about you being town and defending your actions by implying what you're doing can't come from scum.

You're not explaining the Drew wagon or your progreasion to Drew which is scummy alao because it makes me feel like you don't care who is lynched

VOTE: Umlaut

posts like this look like scum buddy
and there was no conviction behind his eventual Drew vote

[SirCakez]

I can follow that. I'm not going to get into a discussion about why she may have replaced out, but is being unmotivated as scum something you remember as typical behavior from her?

no but I think her play has changed significantly since back then
basically I'm throwing out my meta on her

[SirCakez]

VOTE: fen

Cakez, remind me, what's your stance on Fwog?

iirc lean town

[SirCakez]

Norwegian's ISO today is literally entirely giving excuses not to make content and yelling at people to vote Wake/myself while ignoring everyone else in the game. Hot garbage. I highly encourage everyone to check it out.

[SirCakez]

On Fen - going back to ISO his day 1 and looking at Drew interactions it seems like he was feeding Drew a lot of questions to work off of that could easily be scum-scum interactions.

Run me again for drew!scum pls.

Where was this willingness to lynch drew when it mattered? Because some end of day show that you would

totally lynch Drew guys

doesn't mean shit to anyone.

Do you think Manatee is scum, or do you think my brilliant scumplay here is to actively draw attention to myself in order to dismantle a wagon on town at the end of the day?

Brother Umlaut you dodged the question and somehow made it about you being town and defending your actions by implying what you're doing can't come from scum.

You're not explaining the Drew wagon or your progreasion to Drew which is scummy alao because it makes me feel like you don't care who is lynched

VOTE: Umlaut

posts like this look like scum buddy
and there was no conviction behind his eventual Drew vote

I'm going off this for my Fen vote @Umlaut

[SirCakez]

are you opposed to Fen dying Umlaut?

[SirCakez]

let's lynch Fen and move on we have the votes for it
mod can sort out replacements overnight hopefully someone will vig wake or something

[SirCakez]

It's possible I suppose
Entertaining the possibility is good for what I'm thinking, but in all likelihood it's a SK
But if it's not they should shoot Wake tonight!

[SirCakez]

Gobbles probably just has other stuff going on

[SirCakez]

norwegian has to go
DEB/Nahdia is probably scum too

[SirCakez]

both of those kills were weird both slots were somewhat suspected

[SirCakez]

I already cased you yesterday and nothing has changed

[SirCakez]

I think one more scum must be between (Manatee, LL, fwog)

[SirCakez]

yup I hold a SR on you for one day and my reads never change
some strong logic there

[SirCakez]

I'm still scumreading you based on these two points today Cakez.

Spoiler:

- Suggests he "looked bad" from Drew lynch on D1.

After looking at these counts, I agree: he really doesn't look great. He naked-voted onto the Manatee wagon in a way that and then disappeared when the Drew wagon appeared.

This is accurate ftr
I didn't really engage Drew much at all. He was totally in my Blindspot.

Also I'm hesitant to call the Manatee wagon scum driven now that Umlaut brings back up who was actually on it

- Looking like a counterwagon on scum to a town lynch on D2.

VC 2.6

Fenraiser (5) - fwogcarf, Titus, SirCakez, Black Ranger, LuckyLuciano [L-1]
NorwegianboyEE
ManateeDude
Black Ranger
Wake88
fwogcarf
Umlaut
Titus
LuckyLuciano
SirCakez (4) - ManateeDude, Umlaut, NorwegianBoyEE, Nahdia [L-2]
Nahdia

Not Voting

(2) - Wake88, Fenraiser

Ok

[SirCakez]

I do agree that Manatee has been off the radar for a while

[SirCakez]

Cakez, any thoughts on Almost50?

Honestly I reallllly struggle to read A50. He has a playstyle and tone that is tough for me to parse. And it looks like he is continuing that here. He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.
everybody knows my thoughts on Wake though
I think with this dwindling pool of suspects solely based off of Wake the slot is probably scum

[SirCakez]

What do you think about his case against my slot?

I have to read it again

He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.

Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.

I have no idea what you're even referring to here

[SirCakez]

He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.

Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.

I have no idea what you're even referring to here

I'm talking about the ONE GAME you saw me do that as Scum. I know it was the only one because I never did it again. It was my first game on the site and I didn't know what to do after having losy my partner on D1 and failed to pick the correct kill between RC & SS (Snarky).

In short, I'm talking about THIS game.

I have no memory of that game so much has happened the last five years...
I just know you're a competent player and good at putting out content regardless of alignment

[SirCakez]

I just know you're a competent player and good at putting out content regardless of alignment

I'll take this as a compliment, so THANK YOU.

Now seriously, if you think I'm hard to read and would be able to replicate my town game as scum, how about you check out wake's play AS TOWN? Here's a list of his town games in the last year:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82764 (He was Innocent Child)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82679 (You were in this game. He was a Watcher)
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81665 (I personally replaced him on this one. "We" were VT)

Now compare that to his scum game here:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81560 (Mafia 1-shot Strongman)

and tell me if you see the difference.



-

from what I've seen Wake's play this game doesn't match any other game so meta is useless

[SirCakez]

Cakez, help me work through something. I'm still set on you or the Nahdia slot being mafia. I'm also set on Titus and A50 being town, and Fwog being not!mafia. Tell me, if Nahdia is mafia, who is more likely her partner, Manatee or Norwegian? I know you've cased Norwegian before, but can you give me your perspective on their associations?

I haven't looked at associations between those slots. iirc norwegian has pretty much ignored the Nahdia/DEB slot all game which is incriminating.

Also, have you done this yet?

What do you think about his case against my slot?

I have to read it again

I'm going to do this now

Nahdia/DEB is like a universal scumread now so I can go there
I still think good chance of Wake!slot scum. A50's reaction to my SRing Wake bothered me. He went over-the-top trying to defend himself and Wake over a pretty weak push from myself.

[SirCakez]

the "case" (if you can call it that) is not very good
lot of NAI stuff in there

[SirCakez]

iirc norwegian has pretty much ignored the Nahdia/DEB slot all game which is incriminating.

Bullshit. I’ve stated i found their hammer yesterday bad. And i scumread them for that. Don’t misrep my position.

i didn't remember it
i did say iirc (if i recall correctly)
so I didnt

[SirCakez]

w/e we both SR the slot lets lynch them sooner or later

[SirCakez]

w/e we both SR the slot lets lynch them sooner or later

How about later.
What’s your read on Fwog?

i need to reread them
I called them town earlier but they've been kind of junk lately and some of my other SRs have flipped town so my TRs are wrong somewhere
Manatee is another person I need to revisit
DEB slot continues to look bad

a headsup I'm gonna have to replace out Saturday (I'm going on a trip somewhere with no internet). not game related.

[SirCakez]

One month so yeah..

[SirCakez]

Manatees are endangered, do you really want to kill another one?

They're gonna go extinct eventually might as well speed it along

[SirCakez]

I'm here but I feel like I have little to add
Norwegian and DEB are my wagon choices

[SirCakez]

I can compromise on Manatee I guess?

[SirCakez]

Everyone gave up

[SirCakez]

Mod needs to get in here and mod

[SirCakez]

DEB wagon Norwe wagon Manatee wagon idc anymore

[SirCakez]

DEB wagon Norwe wagon Manatee wagon idc anymore

This is the general sentiment. The game feels like I make a decision and y'all do it. I am not the best type of scumhunter for that. I read people based on conflict.

Then help us out Titus, you have a lot of power here

VOTE: manatee
Let's do it

[SirCakez]

So apparently hammer is down so this will be my last post probably. Good luck guys! Please don't disregard my case for Norwegian if this game goes on.

[SirCakez]

Wow my reads were good here! I had 2/3 of scum nailed d3 and fwog slot was in my POE.

GG

[SirCakez]

I KNOW
I have failed pathetically too many times so nobody listens to me