NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:49 am

In post 2730, pirate mollie wrote:ap it is a 3 person mason team and maybe the gm was counting on the vig being retarded cos it looks like they probably were!

Did you just claim mason >.>

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:59 am

Vifam threw out a few jabs at AA9 early on, but ends up voting ActionDan and talking about him when asked about who the best vote is. Vifam also ends up swinging to the JS wagon near the ends and then right back onto AA when it gets more steam.

Also his defenses include such atrocities as "This wagon on me is bad and isn't going to fly" and "I do X as town AND scum".

P-edit:..... We are waiting for IaI to claim a result.

PPedit: Good. Wait, what? why are you so sure he is scum again.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:02 am

Who is your best read after IaI? All we got from you yesterday was that Nacho was evil. And your original list of Mastinero/Moz/IaI is now just IaI.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:09 am

Vig + 3 masons + IC VS Mafia JK is really scumsided. There has to be another PR out there. I'd buy a cop, but then why didn't IaI get off'd last night?

I guess this wasn't a bad time to claim since you are basically conftown anyways.

Also a cop in a game with FOUR roles whose only job is to be conftown, does not mesh well. Same with Vig. So I dunno.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:26 am

In post 2749, MattP wrote:At the very least PM would have been NKd if IAI were town. Dream NK does not make ANY sense unless scum have a role cop and actually thought that was a more lucrative NK than a conftown NK

PM is prob town regardless of IaI's alignment (before the mason claim)
The mod replace made Rob look like a PR. I kept my trap shut, but I was banking on him being a PR when I saw the force replace notice.
Nacho being SO SURE that AA9 was scum looked like he had a good reason to KNOW she was guilty.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:29 am

In post 2750, MattP wrote:If he was town he would have 1v1d me and said, "no, you're lying! I'm a VT so you didn't receive a gun read on me!".

Or he is a PR and you outed him. One of those two.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 am

How about we lynch Vifam today. Is anyone denying that he ended up on the AA9 wagon despite flipping over to the JS wagon when the AA one momentarily stalled and was shoving AD as his best scumread all Day?

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:53 am

In post 2769, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2765, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2706, MattP wrote:I self-investigated last night b/c I got something from an inventor and I came up town

In post 2766, MattP wrote:Like seriously now people are just jabbing at me for bullshit. 2765 is just unnecessary

I think PV and UN would be good ideas of people to look at

Actually, last claim was gunsmith which caused IaI to claim. So not getting the self-investigated thing.

PV is town. Like really really town.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:00 am

In post 2787, pirate mollie wrote:look at scum move in on perv this is actually pretty funny

Look how derp PV is!

Push him for his objectively bad play!

But I totally didn't out a cop with my multiple fake gambits and lurk like mad this game. god I hope no one realizes I have a scum card and am just doing w/e I want because people will think Im town for it.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:06 am

Wow, look at that. No one is saying you are scum for outing the cop.

You are scum because you are posturing wrt wagons, lurking, and ONLY contributing dumb gambits WITHOUT HAVING READ.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:14 am

In post 2794, pirate mollie wrote:I like UN for town better than you at the mo, AP

.............................ok? Thats cool. I will end up NK'd before lynched.

I would ask you what caused you to townread Uber, but I really dont care >.>. Lets all be super in thread masons to make up for poor Moz.

Vifam looks like scum
His stance on arcangel was dumb
He went for credit

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:20 am

I think PM's main problem is you blaming everyone's scumread on you on IaI claiming cop in response.

I thought you were scum before that. The fact that you are tossing gambits around without having read isn't really town, dude. Sorry.

But if you don't have time to catchup, then replace out.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:28 am

In post 2805, UberNinja wrote:Look at PV weak push on me D1 and D2, and overall vibe of skating by without actually doing anything.

This is his townmeta though. Source: NY159 where I correctly townread his ass and he still got Vig shot anyways for being a lurker.

Also I he tunneled like 1 point and commented on a lot of random things in HPATPL and I pushed him for it. I was scum, he was town. But this is town PV.

UNVOTE: Matt

I must sheep my queen.

And by that I mean start a Vifam scum wagon.

VOTE: Vifam

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:29 am

Uber, you are town right? >.>

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:29 am

PV is just super ML bait when hes town is all.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:34 am

In post 2812, borkjerfkin wrote:I thought Vifam was one of the primary pushers of AA and I don't think she'd have gotten lynched without his support.

Disagree, I actually read this thread a fiar amount immediately after the flip.

ISO Vifam. Sure he supports AA9 lynch, but hes never super vocal about it. It only happened when Mhork conf-towned himself and finally Nacho, Mollie and I came over. Vifam even tried to rekindle JS support after AA9 lynch was stalling. And he was tunneling ActionDan as top scum pick.

Vifam was really flirty with the AA9 wagon but kept focusing elsewhere. I really think he was keeping it open for possible credit but trying to get attention on other things.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:49 am

Vifam better be in your mason group >.>

JS is such a weak lynch. Let him get back from V/La at least I guess. W/e.

Why are you townreading PV?

Potentially down to lynch Bork today.

Vifam didn't 'plant seeds'. He poked at AA9 a little bit, but never tried to get people to wagon her. And ACTIVELY voted JS at a really critical point. It looks like credit. It smells like credit.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:54 am

That was mostly directed at Mollie.

I dislike you defending Vifam though when I view his behavior as dubious...He basically did exactly what I did in my one offsite game in which I rolled Mafia. We had a maf PR getting wagoned all D1 off an on and I keep saying it was an ok lynch, but voting elsewhere or trying to hunt other people.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:59 am

Did you look at Vifam's ISO at all last night? Or the VCs or anything?

I spent a little bit of time looking at it and you seem like you are saying off the top of your head that Vifam was shoving that AA9 wagon....He wasnt.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:44 am

In post 2777, UberNinja wrote:
In post 2747, AngryPidgeon wrote:
Vig + 3 masons + IC VS Mafia JK is really scumsided.
There has to be another PR out there. I'd buy a cop, but then why didn't IaI get off'd last night?

what is this i dont even

What is the problem with this?

Vig doesn't exactly synergize with Mason/IC roles. ESPECIALLY if you give the scumteam a protection from the Vig shot. I built my mininormal with an Odd Vig and Mason pair in it and specifically gave the mafia team a Traitor because the town power didn't mesh well. And I would expect ~5 PRs in a game this size.

Vifam is hand waving away accusations per usual.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:56 am

In post 2539, Vifam wrote:JacobSavage or ArcAngel I don't even care anymore, we just have to stop with this stupid circular discussions, you guys are fucking REPEATING yourselves, this day should have been over yesterday. Since he seems to have less controversy around him can we just lynch JacobSavage?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Jacob

Why did you decide to vote JS here?

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:07 am

Less controversy? What does that even mean. I was calling the js wagon shit all day and I recall other people doing that as well. Hell, even you criticized Mozs reason for bring on it iirc.

AA had more votes and you hop over to JS whilst still talking about scum AA? :/

And ya, the PAvotewas decisive

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:16 am

I want Nacho back to whisper sweet nothings in my ear and tell me who to vote. Except not because his Moz/AJ and prolly PV reads were off.

Vifam, what is your opinion on Bork atm?

Also, if I fake claim a Cop guilty on IaI what are the odds he'll show up to post

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:25 am

Lol, if anyone other than AA9 said "Based on my reads, I see X as scum" I would have lynched that shit so hard. But I always write her off as awkward.

You think she is likely to have listed at least one scum in her scumlist I guess?

I think I'm coming around to a Zab push again.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:46 am

Oh god, lets vote off AA9's new avatar today.

I really dont see the PV case. Can someone who supports that give me some bullet points? I just see PV playing more or less to what I know of town-PV.

Also as much as I enjoy Reverend, I still believe there is a good chance hes maf this game. : )

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:03 pm

Well Im not lynching IaI today. Tomorrow maybe. Let him claim some results.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:11 pm

There was only one kill N1 with a flipped Vig. Totally possible the mafia kill was stopped. In which case I can see them not targeting IaI. /spec

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:49 pm

Peregrine, who the fuck would use a 1x Cop invention to self-investigate? What the actual fuck. Matt was obviously making a joke.

also

VOTE: Zabriel

Maybe I can muster some sheep for this flock.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:24 pm

In post 2861, TheReverend wrote:So IAI is prob scum then.

Best response ever.

You investigated Nacho, wtf.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:28 pm

In post 2865, Vifam wrote:If he is town it's pretty weird that scum don't have another roleblocker on their team

Hard to say so early. The 3 man mason team/vig/IC is such a weird combo for town power. Especially with the Maf JK flip.

I would imagine a rolecop would be a more relevant PR for scum to have at this point.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:32 pm

In post 2862, TheReverend wrote:
In post 2860, I Am Innocent wrote:Since she also knows who the last Mason is, what are everyone's thoughts on if she should make the final call after a lynch is decided on each day, in who I investigate each night, to avoid me wasting an investigation on the last mason?

You want mollie to tell you who to investigate? This would be an excellent way for scum to keep picking off your town confirms. Which would be an excellent way for you to remain alive without it being mega suspicious.

In other news, reverend is still scum for somehow having an issue with conftown Mollie directing the scum NK at night.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:53 pm

In post 2872, TheReverend wrote:WHAT YOU SAY NOW, OH IRRITATED IRRITATING BIRD?

Haha. My post wasn't intended to be a jab : P. But it felt a little scummy of you to be tunnel-visioning on any and all possible BLATANT scum motivation that IaI was posting with instead of also wondering if IaI could be town and could be suggesting a reasonable plan. Because...I mean I felt it was pretty reasonable. he is offering to target who our best town figurehead (Mollie) wants him to. If he is town, he is playing as pro-town as possible by not potentially investigating the last Mason.

And your post really looked like you were trying to fling mud at IaI without really thinking about whether it was true.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:56 pm

And Zabriel swooping in to say "Interesting point on Rev" and absolutely zero follow up on that is making me >.>

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:35 pm

The force replace looked like a PR modslip.

Im in a game of league.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:49 pm

In post 2882, Lord Mhork wrote:I agree with Dan. Why would Matt say that as scum?

Somewhere, someplace, a goon just won a scummy.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:31 pm

So uh. What are all yall TOWN ALIGNED INDIVIDUALS discussing at this hour in private???

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:02 pm

Ok...Im going to try and compile some quick thoughts before sleep.

Town

pirate mollie

Lord Mhork

Likely Town

penguin_alien

- Her AA9 vote was at a very decisive point. She could have swung a JS wagon and it seems likely she would have as scum given the JK flip from AA9.

I Am Innocent

- Crumbed cop in his opening post, claimed it and is not CC'd. Mafia JK seems to suggest scum have no more blocking power. Also I feel that he would have gotten less flak for claiming to investigate Mozamis who was a huge point of debate if he were interested in looking the most town. Nacho investigate reads of genuine paranoia.

UberNinja

- Aggressive playstyle fits town meta. Stepping on a lot of feet looks town. I like his posts/logic, feels genuine.

ActionDan

- Shares a lot of my opinions. Guess I need to be careful with that. But it felt town of him to blatantly quote me that time re PV and say he was townreading him for the same reason.

Majiffy

- Felt his 1v1 with Mastinero at the end of D1 looked genuine. He was really upset and I think that is more likely to come from town.

People that I think should be considered today.
zabriel
Aj the Epic
borkjerfkin
TheReverend
MattP
JacobSavage
PeregrineV
Vifam

I find my town read on Bork dwindling. Not really sure why, but I cant remember much of what he has done this game. I need to ISO that.
Zabriel's hammer on AA9 seemed a little awkward. I want to ISO him though, Ive been gut scumreading him for a long time.
Aj the E still seems town for his relentless Matt push and dont give a fuck attitude about much else. Lightish town read.

But I would open my self to talking about a lynch in this group regardless.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:06 pm

My super double paranoid backup scumdar wants to just lynch Bork and not look back lol. Not sure why, but it occurs to me that he hasn't done anything to make me think he is town recently all of a sudden.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:08 pm

Actually he is kinda scummy...I'll make a deal with anyone. I will ISO and strongly consider your fav lynch candidate today if you read Bork's ISO.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:14 pm

In post 2323, borkjerfkin wrote:I don't have a case on Arc. She's a good compromise.

Why you being weird with asking for sheep and asking for cases simultaneously?

This post...this post right here. Makes me want to lynch Bork.

What is wrong with asking people why they are voting? Even if it is a compromise vote, its still legit to ask someone what they are thinking when they make it. This lash out looks a little forced.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:15 pm

VOTE: borkjerfkin

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:57 am

In post 2928, penguin_alien wrote:[Zabriel is] projecting a studied air of indifference

lol. I assure you that Zab is not a mafia mastermind.

In post 2928, penguin_alien wrote:I don't know if having pirate mollie directing our kills

Is this a scumslip, what the fuck >.> If this is a scumslip and you make it to endgame I will HATE myself.

Seriously though, I think Mollie should toss out 3 investigate targets and IaI should investigate one of those 3 randomly. It makes it hard for scum to guess whilst still getting a solid investigation in that is guaranteed to not be the mason.

In post 2928, penguin_alien wrote:borkjerfkin saying the ArcAngel9 vote was a compromise rather than going for town credit with the vote makes me think he wasn't in the know about her being scum.

Oh god. Please don't write off Bork that easily. That is not even remotely hard to fake as scum.

--

Lets lynch Bork. Im 100% serious. He is probably scum.

@Majiffy: You are right, Nacho asked about Bork's AA vote and Bork said "Its a compromise vote, why do are you asking"? That is scummy as hell. Why is Bork so defensive about his AA9 vote? Its totally reasonable to ask someone why they are voting a player, even if they are just sheeping you. Bork's reaction was really defensive for someone asking him about a vote he made with no explanation in the post. Bork had basically completely ignored AA9 up until post 2311 where he decides to vote her. There was plenty of reason to ask him about his vote, compromise situation or not. He implies that Nacho could be scum for asking for sheep and cases simultaneously instead of just rolling his eyes or whatever a townie would do that was frustrated with Nacho's shenanigans. Lynch him.

@Penguin: Bork is scum and your townread on him is wrong. Calling AA9 a compromise lynch when asked is not a super townie thing to do. The general town consensus was that we needed a lynch. At the very least Vifam and I were taking the same stance. Its a pro-town mindset which is different from being town and oftentimes not hard to fake. Seriously, all he did was jump on AA and say she was a compromise. It would have been scummy as balls for scum-Bork to do a 180 and start talking about how obvscum AA is despite having ignored her all Day.

And that MAjiffy OMGUS was adorable. Come on guys, I know you want to lynch Bork. I promise there will be cake.

P-edit: reaidng..

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:00 am

In post 2940, borkjerfkin wrote:You're also not treating me like someone you find scummy.

Classic scum defense. 'Prove' that the attacker knows they are town. Lynch this.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:04 am

I dont expect you to talk, Mr. Bond

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:05 am

I dont think so? Im not even sure what your point was. Im missing context.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:22 am

Well you think Bork is scum. I forget where you are voting atm. But ok.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:27 am

Ill take a look later today.

Majiffy, you are voting vifam who likely has no support. Why are you writing off my Bork push then? Hes viable and you think hes scum.

Lol at PV. Nice fluff posting.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:38 am

In post 2948, penguin_alien wrote:AngryPidgeon, I've seen zabriel lurk as town, and he seemed to be less inclined to throw in excuses and extraneous content then.

Spoiler: Zabriel positng fluff as town

But I still think Zab could be scum this game.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:45 am

Im confused.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:13 am

In post 2963, Majiffy wrote:I'm not writing off your push, I'm telling you to find better reasons.

Ok, but Im just curious as to why you are voting Vifam then and not showing any sign of support for a Bork wagon.

I actually feel pretty confident about this one : P.

I disagree with your assessment. Him saying "I dont have a case, its compromise" is fine, but I felt his jab at Nacho was really unjustified: "Why are you asking for sheep AND cases". I would have expected a townie to get sarcastic or a little annoyed, but he is bouncing it back to Nacho as if NAcho is scummy for what he is doing. It doesnt look like a natural response to being asked something unreasonable I guess.

Also @ Mollie, explain your shit. Im town and I have no idea where you are going with this.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:59 am

In post 2968, UberNinja wrote:FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD SO MUCH SO THAT HE NOTICED THE THREAD BEING LOCKED FOR FIVE MINUTES, ON A DAY WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER POSTING IN IT.

Ya well IaI noticed Matt's gambit and full claimed in T - 15 minutes. And no one seemed to care about that.

I dont get the collage, PV. I've been calling Matt scum since he posted "Lets do things my way today" and started tunneling IaI.

It felt unnatural to me that someone who had one of their best 3 scumreads lynched the day before would kick off the Day with a "Lets do things my way". And I pressured him, and he got emotional about it. Town matt is at least reasonable if a bit scattered. It was not town Matt.

I get reads by interacting with people. Its part of why I post so much. I give much less sway to reads on people I cant talk to, because I like to scum-hunt by opening up to people and understanding their thoughts/emotions on an individual level.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:03 am

post 2972
Im not scum this game, and posting shitton is a nulltell for me.

Are you are just randomly quoting things I did in HPATPL or is there a connection to my play that Im not seeing?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:16 am

Ok, Im on phone atm. that last list was partly compromise list. I dont think you or AJ are likely scum, but a lot do so I put you in the "maybe compromise " list. Any person in particular you don't understand why I put them there?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:40 pm

Vifam, why is Bork town?

PV: I feel like my Matt posts are well-documented. I even preemptively talked about Matt before you singled him out of my list.
-I got a bad gut reaction from him saying we should do things his way (I feel he should know that was not really justified to feel that)
-He is making gambits without having read the thread. I do not see town motivation in that.
-Can't put my finger on it, but his early game scuffles just feel a little bit fake.
-He is a good compromise today. He is a point of controversy and has been a continual distraction to boot. Why shouldn't he be on a list of possible compromises?

Re Reverend:
-Originally felt he was playing too carefree to be scum.
-His stance on Mhork being scum for trying to lynch obvtown AA9 and hoping to save scum an NK was really really fake looking. So was his post directed to IaI today.
-I have slightly mixed feelings because his AtE whenever I start aiming my Blaster at him looks kinda genuine.
-In hindsight, his statement about AA9 being obvtown and Mhork being scum for pressuring that looks bad after the AA9 flip.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:54 pm

Wait really? You can tell his name from the GTKAS scum of the earth thread anyhow. A lot of people's first names are marked in the google doc as having updated their location lol.

Thats dumb.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:11 pm

Ok, UN is town aligned IRL too. : P

Or is he...

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:14 pm

In post 3018, Aj The Epic wrote:leaving me to dry here.

What the fuck is it with all these posts that sound like scumslips

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:41 pm

In post 3031, TheReverend wrote:What scum doesn't rub their hands in glee when a MIA townie is getting heat?

Jacob is scum.

:/

Hey guys, I really love that JS is lurking. Lets lynch that scumbag asap and get my team one step closer to winning. Oops I mean the

TOWN

one step closer to winning. JS is totally scum.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:49 pm

Vifam, if you dont vote Bork I will drink Bleach.

Ugh fine, I'll join you on your nice little wagon.

VOTE: Reverend

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:54 pm

Well no one is ever down to lynch you except like Majiffy.

But I dunno. If there is one scumread that Im simply too stubborn to look at objectively this game, its you.

What do you think about AJ after his recent shenanigans?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:58 pm

And Rev's posts are so scummy its hilarious. Its like he is taking a page out of my scum play handbook though and keeps insisting he is town. It looks town, but everything else the Rev posts this game is so scum lol.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:09 pm

You didn't say ALSO town, therefore you are scum. Checkmate Reverend. Scumslips and stuff. /case

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:11 pm

Ugh, Vifam, I really think Bork is a good wagon. Why was his push on you town-motivated?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:15 pm

Thats the optimal thing to do as scum! You dont wantto lynch town. You want to vote townies that arent going to get lynched because then people will never trace MLs or shit back to you.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:49 pm

Rofl.

AJ, wanna wagon Mhork with me?

But srsly, I think AJ just town slipped.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:50 pm

PM what are your Bork/Zab/Rev reads?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:17 pm

Omg rev is town. Bork and Zab are scum. Lets lynch them.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:21 pm

On phone for a bit, but sure. What about it?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:49 pm

Dan I missed you.

We need to talk about who to ML while Vifam isn't here to thwart us.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:51 pm

UNVOTE: Reverend
VOTE: Zabriel

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:00 pm

@Whoever asked: Probably 4-5 scum. I'd guess 5, but I've been in a larger game that only had 4 oO. Granted the scum power was huge, but eh.

If rev is mafia Im going to kill myself after his flip. But Im like 90% on him being town atm.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:30 pm

In post 3110, UberNinja wrote:i had that this morning right before i left for work but i was looking for the willy wonka image macro "really? tell me more" but then i got sidetracked and i forgot about it

aahahahahahahha

VOTE: MATT

So many fucking scum slips this game

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:38 pm

In post 3131, Vifam wrote:They're normally five scum in large normals sooooo

are there? Lets check for the lulz.

3 scum
3 scum (and an sk)
4 scum (hi rev : P)
5 scum and SK
2 scum

I dunno Vifam, your assertion kinda looks like bullshit.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:40 pm

In post 3139, Vifam wrote:
In post 3136, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 3110, UberNinja wrote:i had that this morning right before i left for work but i was looking for the willy wonka image macro "really? tell me more" but then i got sidetracked and i forgot about it

aahahahahahahha

VOTE: MATT

So many fucking scum slips this game

Are you talking about MattP or UN

MattP dude. UN and I have been rolling are eyes at posts that look like slips all game.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:45 pm

Its not the normal. Ya they exist, but even skimming the completed ones, 5 is not a universally standard number of scum at all. It varies. I was in a theme PArk game larger than this in which there were 4 scum.

Do I think its an honest to god slip? Maybe.

I'd vote Mattp anyhow.

@Mollie: Why do you think Majiffy is scum?

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:13 am

I really didn't like Vifam dodging the Mattp scumslip topic. He wrote it off as generally accepted. I called BS on that to get him to take a stance and he just shrugged it off. Still down to lynch Vifam whenever.

I love you UberNinja. Lets make this the longest game and kill all the mafia while we are at it.

ActionDan, post 3153 was really sketch. If you want people to take your reads seriously, you should consider becoming a presence in the game instead of lurking and swooping in to agree with someone on something occasionally.

I guess my top wagons right now would be: Zabriel -> Bork -> Vifam -> Matt. PV's push on me seemed town. I don't think he'd risk snagging the attention of the one player who is essentially the only thing preventing his lynch by making a really vague case on me.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:49 am

In post 3167, pirate mollie wrote:or did they fear nacho? I asked this earlier and you know what everyone ignored me.

I did....I think the force replace due to a 'mod error' looked like a PR modslip. I know majiffy said he disagrees, but seriously. Combine that with the fact that Nacho was like 100% sure AA9 was scum after the push on her started, and it looked like he had some information that we didn't have. Hence PR. The only other target I could see them killing was Mhork/IaI. And maybe they feared IaI would be protected, idk. Or maybe hes scum.

Matt is one of the few people capable of dynamic scum play in the manner you described. Also hes really into theater/theatrics : P

I might be down to wagon Majiffy. I thought he was scum D1 when I was reading. The only thing that changed my mind were his walls with Mastin.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:44 am

Spoiler: Can we lynch this?

Im seriously vetoing this UN pressure. He is town. I promise.

I can see myself voting Majiffy after his latest wall and Mollie's assertion that he would have made those D1 twilight walls as scum.

Zabriel's post here is really scummy. He ISOs AA9/Om but doesnt reach any real conclusion. Asks people about the difference between him/Majiffy who were both listed as null? Well Zab is town, so why does he care that AA9 listed him and Majiffy as null? And the opening ponderings in that post don't actually go anywhere. I just want to lynch Zab and watch him flip mafia. Can we do that?

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:55 am

You wonder why UN wants you PLd.

More Zab votes plz. Aj is town. Js is who the fuck knows.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:04 am

It wasn't even accurate >.> Im not asking permission, Im musing whether there is support enough that it can be done.

And most of your posts are not about finding mafia. Im shocked Mollie thinks you are town but is entertaining that Matt isn't.

People Im willing to vote right now:
Zabriel
Vifam
Majiffy
Matt

P-edit: Cool, lets lynch Zab. I just wish Mollie would roll with me on this one.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:07 am

Mollie doesnt know that. Or has she played with you before?

P-edit: lol, I think you are mafia. I have since the first few pages of the game. That is why I want you lynched.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:10 am

Sure vifam is entertaining, but hes also aligned with the mafia this game.

HOW AM I NOT WORKING WITH YOU???

Lets lynch Majiffy then. Im totally down for that.

VOTE: Majiffy

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:13 am

Vifam stop. Personal appeals are my biggest weakness.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:38 pm

Why? How can you possibly have a read on that slot? We should demand a force replace if anything.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:49 am

Oh god, its the rare Jacob Savage. I start chucking Ultra Balls at him.

@Bork: Ya I do that.
@IaI: So 3 votes that happened to land on town from JS means hes probably mafia. Mmmmmmmm.

Liking P_A.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:59 am

In post 3350, TheReverend wrote:Arc angel seemed to have a town read on jacob, despite him being lurky as hell, so he's a good pick for
scum
imo.

Why? IMO that makes him more likely town than not. Like I said, JS was the most likely person to go down because of his lack of posting. If I were scum I would have been ready to bus that shit. I'd bet hes town based on that lone, although I dont give that much sway really.

In post 3310, pirate mollie wrote:2. angry? who is angry?

Um, fucking HELLO?

@Majiffy: OMGUS me too please. Much like the rev, Ive been trying to sheep / work with Mollie. I, too, am voting you.

@Mollie: Uber is really really town. I swear. Probably my best read right now. Also Im starting to think Rev looks townish...I'd rather lynch Majiffy/Vifam/Zab.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:01 pm

In post 3359, penguin_alien wrote:did I make a meaningless derp mistake or am I diabolical scum who tripped up?

Ya, Im gonna go ahead and treat PA as conftown from now on, because this is an ultra town thing to say.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:06 pm

Was never really that strong. Wanted to get Bork's attention. I'd still potentially compromise there, but Id rather do others.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Just pick like 3 people, problem solved. Scum have other things to worry about evidently seeing as how IaI is alive..and Mhork..

Dont overthink this, holy shit.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:23 pm

Majiffy is probably a really good lynch. I think we should elect him.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:47 am

Add buldermar to the people Im willing to lynch Today.

Buldermar/Zab/Majiffy are great picks. Lets actually bank some time Today, ya?

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:40 am

In post 3436, buldermar wrote:
In post 3426, AngryPidgeon wrote:Add buldermar to the people Im willing to lynch Today.
Will you elaborate on this?

--

In post 3398, pirate mollie wrote:buldey already looks scummy

In post 3404, buldermar wrote:
In post 3403, zabriel wrote:Buldemar for Buldemar is null to me. What are you getting off him Mollie?
mollie has a history of reading me incorrectly, regardless of my actual alignment.

Implying you are town because Mollie is bad at reading you and she thinks you are scum.

In post 3435, buldermar wrote:
In post 3425, pirate mollie wrote:also look at you try to discredit me.
This is silly because I'm discrediting you
without even knowing if you're reading me as town or scum
. In other words, it works to my advantage no more than it works to my disadvantage.

She is clearly reading you as scum, and there is no FUCKING way you made post 3404 without seeing 3398.

Get wrecked, liar.

VOTE: Buldermar

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:55 am

In post 3441, Majiffy wrote:
In post 3439, AngryPidgeon wrote:She is clearly reading you as scum, and there is no FUCKING way you made post 3404 without seeing 3398.

Yet no words for Zab's 3403 where he asks Mollie what her read on Buldermar is...

Funny how life works, sometimes.

No, Zab was asking WHY Mollie had a read at all on Buldermar, because he had none. I thought that was fairly obvious.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:04 am

In post 3445, Majiffy wrote:.. "What" is the primary word there. Not "Why". So it's not really that obvious at first glance. Put into perspective, sure. But out of perspective it's completely plausible Buldermar got onto that page - which Mollie says nothing about a Buldscum read - saw 4303, and responded with what he did.

He isn't saying "What is your read on Buld"

He is saying "What is the reason for your read"

IT IS IN RESPONSE TO MOLLIE SAYING BULD IS SCUMMY FOR NO REASON. READING COMPREHENSION GUYS, COME ON.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:14 am

In post 3451, zabriel wrote:Is Buldermar more or less likely to stall and eat up time as scum?

Nacho, Vig this tonight, thanks.

We SHOULD try and lynch in the next 60 hours IMO.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:54 am

In post 3475, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 3452, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 3451, zabriel wrote:Is Buldermar more or less likely to stall and eat up time as scum?

Nacho, Vig this tonight, thanks.

We SHOULD try and lynch in the next 60 hours IMO.

nacho is dead and you are posting this like you have forgotten this but remember that he is vig which you could have only found out from his flip

weird

It was a joke

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:58 am

In post 3494, Vifam wrote:Wait he didn't have to go through the whole "Tell me it's a bankable deadline thing" right?

I'm confused

I didnt have to.... I was told my role was in post#0 and to go get 'em Tiger. lol

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:58 am

Oops, fuck I just VT slipped, rofl. Oh well.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:06 am

UNVOTE: Buldermar

ZABRIEL OR MAJIFFY SOMEONE FLIP A COIN AND LETS LYNCH THE SCUM.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:19 am

In post 3538, UberNinja wrote:Self meta is only silly if you're not town

LOL

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:46 am

Mollie, if you want to lynch Majiffy really bad, please let me know. Otherwise we need to consolidate votes and I think Zab is our best bet atm.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:52 am

The claim.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:40 pm

I'm really starting to suspect that Zab/Majiffy have just been bussing each other all Day.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:18 pm

VOTE: Zabriel

Hes a cylon. I swear. He did it. He shot Commander Adama.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:37 pm

Zab should claim IMO.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:17 pm

>.>

Probably because you said we should realllllllly be wagoning Majiffy. IDK.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:22 pm

Lol. Seriously, how many more PRs can there be. 3 masons, IC, Vig, Bodyguard. And I REALLY believe the BG claim, so Im counting it as definite.

Possible Cop since IaI claimed that shit super fast. So Really, that is probably all/most of the power, lol. Unless IaI is scum in which case MAYBE one more PR.

Preview window modification to the http-post I am typing: Vote Zab then, lol

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:24 pm

He really did softclaim the shit out of a PR there and then shortly after say "Lol, why did everyone think I softclaimed a PR". Unless he didnt realize that he did, which means hes still probably scum anyways.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:25 pm

If Zab ends up being a mason, Im going to punch someone.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:27 pm

VOTE: Majiffy

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:31 pm

Ugh, his I give up spheal sounded legit. I dunno. Majiffy has been creeping up and has been solidifying as a great lynch all Day.

VOTE: Zab

But if Mollie really wants Majiffy, I'm still down to help.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:37 pm

In post 3618, Lord Mhork wrote:Totally gonna hop on this zab wagon here.

VOTE: zabriel

This is probably a point of no return vote unless Mollie wants to make a last minute bid for Majif.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:06 pm

VOTE: Majiffy

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:09 pm

I gotta say Im strangely confident in this Majiffy scum lynch. And too drained to back my shit up right now. So lets do this and rejoice.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:51 pm

In post 3668, ActionDan wrote:VOTE: Buldurmer

Day 1 reads too strong.

His claim is super legit and definitely not from mafia. Read up and shape up Dan. Vote Majiffy.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:26 pm

I want a massage : (

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:01 pm

Could we get a VC maybe? Im basically just going to vote whoever of Zab/Majiffy has most votes for the rest of the Day.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:06 pm

In post 3928, UberNinja wrote:Zab scumslipped and said I was a mislynch

Sorry Im exhausted right now. Could you point me to that? Not that Im going to argue against lynching Zab, lol.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:00 am

In post 3946, Lord Mhork wrote:Hey, mollie. You should totally lynch zabriel with me. It'll almost be as exciting as arc angel.

VOTE: Zabriel

I agree with Uber that the "He was trying to get me to ML Uber" looked really bad.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:02 am

Called it. PV was town. Now lets do this.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:16 am

In post 3998, Majiffy wrote:that'd be great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJCdCXFslY

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:49 pm

In post 4050, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 4026, Lord Mhork wrote:IAmInnocent, results?

Yeah, Matt is scum.

Vote mattp

Easiest day ever,

VOTE: mattp

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:20 pm

FTR, I just wanna say this about my mattp scum read that ya'll were too afraid to sheep me/mollie on.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:54 pm

In post 4056, Maestro wrote:Not Voting: pirate mollie, Lord Mhork *cough*, ActionDan,
zabriel
, borkjerfkin, TheReverend, penguin_alien, MattP, PeregrineV

*cough*

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:00 am

So...how likely is a framer given the town power.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:05 am

Is it weird that I want to lynch someone other than IaI?

Also I forgot to note yesterday sicne I was barely here, but I REALLY dont like this post:

In post 4035, Vifam wrote:The BG died so scum are obviously trying to get to someone

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:21 am

Basically it was decided that IaI would investigate Mattp, as far as I remember. So if there is a framer, its no coincidence that it connected. I guess I'd have to reread again to see HOW obvious it was that IaI was intending to target Matt, but I recall it being basically decided that he would. We should have done a pick 1/3 randomly method >.>

@Uber: I dont like that Vifam post for a few reasons.
1. Buldemar was obvtown for the claim. Like it was one of those claims that you just KNOW the person is town. So I could see him getting NK'd for being a fairly obvtown PR..
2. Who were the scum trying to get to? I DONT KNOW MAYBE ON OF THE 3 CONFTOWN MASON/ICS? HURRRRR. It really looked like a setup to imply that the scumteam was going for IaI (I.e. we should trust his claim today)

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:22 am

Im having trouble getting over IaI's crumb, snap claim, and lack of CC. It just looks too legit. I'd thro money down on a framer and I know that framers are fairly rare.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:47 am

Well I guess the first order of business is to actually get an IaI results claim, or see if he just self-votes lol.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:43 am

I still can't see past IaI's snap-claim and all that. I dont see IaI setting up a fake cop claim and being so trigger with it.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:52 am

Mollie was telling him to investigate Matt iirc..

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:55 am

Well fwiw, I strongly doubt AD would be a frame target. I dont think IaI has really talked much about him all game.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:00 am

Dan, you look like scum. Don't do this to me. Either way, Im pretty sure one of these two HAS to be.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:05 am

I dont 100% follow. Scum doesnt have to have an answer for PRs, depends on what the town power is.

3 masons / IC / Vig / BG as the only town PRs VS a Maf JK is a little wack though. Like REALLY wack.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06 am

In post 4194, Vifam wrote:IAI why didn't you investigate Majiffy or Rev

They would have been easier to push as fake guilties today though. Ad is kinda from left field. And most people have been not in favor of lynching him.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:12 am

In post 4196, borkjerfkin wrote:p-edit ^^^ I guess I got kind of an answer. Is that scenario scumsided, even assuming all other scum are just goons?

Yes. The Vig does not play well with Mason/IC roles and the BG is kind of a meh PR in that event anyhow.

Also the JK gives the maf team reasonable protection against the vig, making it VERY likely it will hit town more than scum.

I think Cop/Framer being added to the mix makes more sense. I could be wrong, but its more balanced than to assume IaI is just scum.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:16 am

Whats the chance of IaI and Dan being scum together?

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:28 am

I really don't like Dan's response. I would have expected a lot more "Excuse, me but we are lynching scum-IaI today, are you all retarded?" instead of this soft defending and justifying.

But maybe Dan is just that way?

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:31 pm

In post 4227, UberNinja wrote:
In post 4181, borkjerfkin wrote:What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

This post pretty much sums up my feelings right now. I also feel that IaI had easier targets to try and fake on if he really were scum and trying to get one more person lynched on his way out. (Like Majiffy or Rev mostly)

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:32 pm

Unless of course the team is MAjiffy/rev/IaI, in which case: lol.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:45 pm

In post 4232, UberNinja wrote:Are you saying that's too FEW power roles for town?

What about 3 masons / IC / Vig / BG / Cop as town PRs vs Maf JK / Maf Framer or Bus Driver?

I think the town power roles dont really work well together. There is no synergy. The Vig has a chance of shooting roles whose only benefit is to be conftown. Same with BG. Gets in the way of a Vig. And ESPECIALLY considering scum have a direct counter to the only active PR (vig) which makes it MORE likely for Vig to shoot town/masons/ICs, I just dont see how that setup could be passed in any review. I don't know. Either way I hope Nacho never rolls Vig again.

P-edit: haha. The only thing that Im slightly

about is that sentence in which you said this could have gone horribly wrong and compared it to Disney Villains. Are you so sure IaI is town / Dan is scum? Im torn, but Dan's reaction kind of sucks and lynching scum Dan is more benefit than lynching scum IaI if we assume the chances of it being either is 50/50.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:55 pm

Well Dan pushing IaI as scum is kind of a bad scum play since he goes down if IaI flips town today.

So maybe you are town?

You didn't think he was a cop? Why does that matter for who scum-IaI fake investigates then? If you flip town, he would def go down tomorrow and I think everyone is on that page.

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:14 pm

Inb4 AD's team bus drove IaI onto a scum last night, but he targeted scum Dan anyway.

Dan, could you comment on my 4239?

AngryPidgeon · Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:59 pm

In post 4259, TheReverend wrote:And then pidgeon suggesting framer right off the bat today, this I find suspicious.

No you don't.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:56 am

In post 4275, ActionDan wrote:I get the feeling you don't get what scum do these situations. If I were scum here I wouldn't be looking to survive more than the next lynch considering the circumstances. I would never bank on anything else. Neither would IaI. As is MANIFESTLY OBVIOUS but apparently peolple like relying on the opptimism of role-spec like relying on a gut-shot in hold'em. It matters only so much as to negate a vote for the hail mary that is to come.

Ok, I was bullshitting there to see if you would latch on to a town read I was trying to give you.

Im undecided. Dumb as this all is, I kind of just want to lynch Majiffy.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:59 am

In post 4217, UberNinja wrote:p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

Ya what the fuck is this post. Its killing my townread on uber. Hes 100% confident IaI is innocent now?

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:03 am

How likely is it that Dan and IaI are both town?

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:06 am

In post 4288, Vifam wrote:
AngryPidgeon wrote:How likely is it that Dan and IaI are both town?

That means busdriver shenanigans right

Well Matt turned up town despite IaI saying he was scum.....

So if IaI is town then there has to be something. Framer seems like the most likely.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:10 am

In post 4294, Lord Mhork wrote:AP, why is framer more likely than bus driver?

Because Framer is a normal role. Bus Driver/Redirector aren't.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:17 am

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

^ Roles allowed in normal games. LArge normals are allowed to have 2 roles not listed on that page.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:12 pm

Oh god, so much to read.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:12 pm

Lets not QL again, thanks.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:37 am

In post 4393, UberNinja wrote:i read AP as town too, and thought the exact same thing as soon as he flipped town

As soon as who flipped town?

AngryPidgeon · Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:37 am

Oh Matt, Im an idiot. Im really behind, crap.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:04 am

Can someone give me a summary of what happened.

Really sorry that Im behind and not posting. I had some personal issues come up and this game suffered as a result. I'll try really hard to read up tonight.

Would lynch Majiffy. Possibly AJ. I need to see the Uber slip that Mollie is talking about.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:08 am

Fine lets lynch AJ.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:22 am

I assume everyone will be claiming Vanilla.

@Rev: Ugh, I really don't want to pick from that. But if I had to, I still don't want to.

Dan has been lurking his ass off, gets a guilty on him, and suddenly is posting up a storm? :/ Come on Dan, if you at least TRIED to be more pro-town before. But at the same token, I don't know. I really just want to go with my original gut Dan read of town.

And the thought of lynching a cop who crumbed and managed to snap claim it is ALSO upsetting to me. But less so than lynching Dan. So yep. I would probably lynch Majiffy if I had the choice.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:01 am

Point it out for me?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:17 am

Ok, I ISO'd Dan a little. Not sure why I thought he was so town except maybe for sharing my reads.

If its him or IaI today, I'll probably vote him. Im thinking the scumteam is this:

Dan/IaI?
Majiffy
Bork
Rev/AJ?
Vifam

Very much want to see Bork and Majiffy die more than anything I think.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:20 am

OMG a vote count. And its tied at L - 2 with me and Penguin to sort it out.

Lets be super bedt friends for the next 24 hours and figure this shit out, Penguin.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:30 am

In post 4549, penguin_alien wrote:AngryPidgeon, how likely do you think it is that a) we're at MyLo and b) if IAI is scum he's throwing us one of his buddies?

a) 0.4%
b) Considerably more possible. I don't know.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:43 am

Oh god. Uberninja is an IRL roleblocker. lynch nao.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:26 pm

In post 4217, UberNinja wrote:k I can dig

Vote: ActionDan

p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

Mollie, what do you think about this post?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:33 pm

Couple things

1. Everyone shut the fuck up while P_A and I make executive decisions. No spam posting plox.
2. PLEASE 24 hours before a hammer. I WILL read some shit tonight.

In post 4574, I Am Innocent wrote:Today he starts off the day attacking the setup. Then when I announce my investigation, he attacks me with a bunch of garbage hoping some of it sticks.

Really the only thing that is against me is the Matt investigation that I
now know
was tampered. To be honest, I can't fault anyone for not believing me. But why would scum IAI play this day the way I did. Why not come out swinging. Why not pick an easier target than I did, someone with 1 total vote post D1.

Didn't Dan attack you BEFORE you claimed results? IIRC, he was voting you before you announced results.

Ugh, the bolded just reads so weak to me. If I were a fucking town-aligned COP I would say "it was tampered" not I "now know it was", but thats a minor point I guess.

Why not come out swinging?? You claimed a GUILTY on a WEAK PLAYER (Sorry Dan, but you have been lurking and had a fair amount of suspicion on you, so ya I stick by that). In what way did you not "come out swinging"?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:47 pm

In post 996, ActionDan wrote:-strong town reads

Bitmap

Why was bitmap your strongest townread that you listed him first here? I thought hw was town too when I took the slot but it wasn't my BEST townread.

In post 1217, ActionDan wrote:ArcAngel is incredibly town now.

Why did you say this?

Spoiler:

Ok that quote is shady. Im not sure what to say about this.

In post 4135, ActionDan wrote:Matt scum => AP town only. But don't worry UN I'd never lynch you

You are saying that matt flipping scum means Im town? Who was this in response to?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:47 pm

Shut up Vifam. Let IaI answer. And clearly AD WAS an easy fake claim seeing as how a cop with a BAD result is successfully claiming a guilty on him. Fucks sake.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:01 pm

That is the scummiest sideways accusation I've read all Day.

No I don't know anyone's alignment except Mollie/Mhork's and mine, wow.

Dan WAS a relatively easy target.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:18 pm

Im serious about stopping the spam posting JUST FOR TODAY.

@Penguin_Alien

: I want Dan to respond to my post; he said a few things in his ISO that I really didn't understand even with context. Im definitely leaning one way over the other right now after skimming IaI/Dan. Ultimately, I'd like to lynch outside them but that isn't a real choice Today. Im going to read up-to-date before going to sleep tonight. Expect a reasonable post from me early tomorrow or late tonight.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:48 am

In post 4644, ActionDan wrote:P_A} - leaning scum for this day. Sticking to optimizing the lynch betrays not reading a word of what IaI or I post, or if so, not giving 2 shits about it.

I tend to agree with her logic though. And it shows really unique objective thought on the matter. Shes town.

In post 4672, Aj The Epic wrote:AP, Look where IaI, Majiffy, Uber and Vifam are voting. I'd bet at least two of these are scum. What looks like the wagon scum are on to you? Too many change of hearts today after quicklynching matt.

I still think its possible that they are both town. Of those 4, I only really have scumreads on Vifam and Majiffy. So I wouldn't be shocked if the scum are divided on the wagon anyways. I learned from HPATPL that its a bad idea to assume that scum will cluster on a wagon for their teams best benefit.

In post 4703, Majiffy wrote:I'm finding it hard to be motivated knowing that scum is keeping me alive for a LYLO lynch.

Ya, we should lynch this.

tl;dr: I really want to lynch the following in about this order:
Majiffy
Bork
Vifam

Conftown:
Mollie
Mhork
Me

Townreads:
Penguin
Uber
AJ

Leaning town:
Reverend

IaI and Dan Category:
IaI
Dan

VOTE: Majiffy

My problem with IaI/Dan is that the setup really does support a cop. Penguin made good points about the Jailkeeper and I have been focused on how scumsided I believe the setup to be if IaI is lying. I completely agree with Penguin that assuming Dan/IaI are equally likely to be scum, then lynching Dan is the better play for the utility. (See Dan, Im using logic here, feel free to respond with emotions).

My other problem with IaI/Dan is that I have townreads on both. IaI looks town for the claim and his attitude. Dan seemed town to me most of the game, but he isn't as good of a townread as IaI.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:01 am

In post 4733, Majiffy wrote:also lol @ Jiffy counterwagon to Dan wagon.

Pretty sure the IaI wagon is the CW to the Dan wagon.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:58 am

Hm, I just remembered that Dan was shoving Matt after replacing in and before the Matt flip, he was adamant that Matt was town. Guess I need to figure out what happened there.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:04 am

In post 2705, ActionDan wrote:I think MattP is town now from interactions with Om. not positive but it'd be pretty clever to come up with the line "you had one goal Om, to bleed obv-town, and you are not doing that job" as scum.

also I didn't want to say anything but I thought it was a reasonable assumption that Ckpflip was a vig target, which seems to be the case

Oh, it was this.

Then we get this.

In post 4066, ActionDan wrote:
In post 4060, AngryPidgeon wrote:FTR, I just wanna say this about my mattp scum read that ya'll were too afraid to sheep me/mollie on.

I'd have joined you in this, but I took back my read D3.

to my shame.

I can hammer etc. but gonna wait for a round of posters in case anyone somehow caught another scum by roles etc.

not that I expect much

And this 40 minutes later. Let me stare at this for a little.

In post 4084, ActionDan wrote:eh.

while it's an obvious move, set-up with 3 masons, vig, IC, BG, and cop isn't so unplausible.

actually it is.

fuck it. While this might look like posturing,

##Vote IaI

the above argument (sccum giving up one of their own) is flawed. I invite you to think it over

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:13 am

In post 4066, ActionDan wrote:but gonna wait for a round of posters
in case anyone somehow caught another scum by roles
etc.

In post 4084, ActionDan wrote:while it's an obvious move, set-up with 3 masons, vig, IC, BG, and cop isn't so unplausible.

actually it is.

We have 3 Conf masons, 1 conf IC, a conf BG and VG. Dan entertains that IaI caught Matt, but is not hammering so someone else can claim a PR result?

And Dan fervently believes that even IAI's claim is fake because of setup, but he dropped that he thought it possible that there was ANOTHER PR?

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:22 pm

Dan, if you be town, please dont hate me for this. If I were a Town Governor, I would vote you and then PM Maestro that Id like to govern that shit over to Majiffy. But Im not. And this is a spam post.

VOTE: Action

Still want to see these people go down:
Majiffy
Bork
Vifam

townreads off the top of my head from strongest to weak:
Penguin
Uber Goober (I had to say it once : P)
AJ
Reverend

IaI/Dan.....We will know soon enough I guess.

@Mollie: In the even you don't die tonight, Id really like you to consider Bork-scum. Why is anyone reading him as town?

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:33 pm

:/

Still fairly sure that neither was scum.

The setup is really more ridiculous w/o the cop.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 4767, ActionDan wrote:It was no failing on my part on how this day turned out.

Dan, you were basically a non-presence before this. And Im sorry to say that, if you are town, that ultimately cost the town. You really did lurk and lurk just to show up and spam post in your defense.

I really do think you are both town, I tried to get Majiffy lynched.

Also, I strongly disagree that Bork is town - how the hell is he sensible?

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:37 pm

"Reconsider every post I make after the AD flip" - Vifam, immediately after Dan self votes and claims town.

"Don't be stupid" - Vifam

I dont give a shit Vifam. I want Bork/Majiffy to die. We can reconsider everything after that.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:44 pm

In post 4162, borkjerfkin wrote:I've seen framer in normals. People were unhappy.

In post 4196, borkjerfkin wrote:I don't have a lot of experience in normals -- is it a tendency for scum to have counters to town PRs?

Seriously, this needs to go.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:49 pm

In post 4775, ActionDan wrote:Bork doubted the cop. That's sensible.

And scum would be incapable of posturing on this issue? Its a really easy assertion to make. And Bork was flip-flopping on the framer issue. He really is scum. If you are town, it could easily be bork/majiffy/Iai?/??

P-edit: I agree that Majiffy has to go. Im glad Im starting to think AJ and rev are both moderately town.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:56 pm

Lol, I guess I was just having issues with the anti-town setup that 4conf-towns / Vig/ BG versus a direct counter to the Vig/BG implies. Because really, thats terrible. vig shoots roles that flip conftown or they have to claim right away to stop that. Its dumb. Cop + a framer at least adds an interesting aspect to the setup with all the masons/IC.

And ya, Vifam's post about "I meant AD was scum" was really really bad too.

P-edit: Part of my problem was I ended up having to go to the doctor yesterday for ...antibiotics. And I kinda didn't end up reading the gameday today. If Uber is scum, hes a fucking master at spamposting to smokescreen the thread.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:06 pm

:/

IaI -> Bork -> Majiffy. Pretty much the order Id like to see things happen. Could pull a win out of this if we dont ML Rev/AJ.

Ya, revealing PV was really dumb. I wasnt going to let him get lynched ever anyhow.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:07 pm

In post 4785, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 4780, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 4775, ActionDan wrote:Bork doubted the cop. That's sensible.

And scum would be incapable of posturing on this issue? Its a really easy assertion to make. And Bork was flip-flopping on the framer issue. He really is scum. If you are town, it could easily be bork/majiffy/Iai?/??

P-edit: I agree that Majiffy has to go. Im glad Im starting to think AJ and rev are both moderately town.

What am I flip-flopping on? I'm getting fucking tired of these stupid potshots from you.

What other shots? I've barely been posting recently.

This is all you have to say? Nothing about Dan being obvtown? Nothing about IaI?

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:10 pm

I don't care.

You were like "Ya I've seen framers in normal." Followed by "I dont really do normals; Do scum typically have counters to PRs????" Note that framer is explicitly a counter to a town PR.

Your lack of concern about Dan getting ML'd is nice though.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:25 pm

In post 4803, pirate mollie wrote:ve you been.

you are scum aren't you

AngryPidgeon · Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:43 am

VOTE: IaI

AngryPidgeon · Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:10 pm

Ugh it is fucking impossible to lynch Vifam.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:12 pm

In post 5194, mozamis wrote:My list of MVP scum would be: Vifam, IAI, Uber, Bork, AA.

Dude Vifam was hillariously scum all game long and no one would give a shit enough to actually pressure him >.>

AngryPidgeon · Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:20 pm

In post 5218, mozamis wrote:
In post 5198, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 5194, mozamis wrote:My list of MVP scum would be: Vifam, IAI, Uber, Bork, AA.

Dude Vifam was hillariously scum all game long and no one would give a shit enough to actually pressure him >.>

Props to you for getting him, but he fooled most of the town. So "hilariously scum" is over doing it. Although, yeah, thats the last time I fall for a guy who just looks like he's having a chat ALL game long lol

I guess Vifam's style is just really similar to mine and I know when Im just full of shit.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:23 pm

I could make literally any case and it would be met with:

"Vifam's town. He just feels town"

AngryPidgeon · Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:17 pm

Every time UN posts he has to put a quarter in the jar for server upgrades.

Vifam too.

And, UN, you jknow I can never trust you again : P. Just 100% PLs all the time so I don't have to worry about you. Or maybe I'll investigate you if I can; so if Im not pushing for you I must have some sort of innocent on you

AngryPidgeon · Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:26 am

I shouldnt have questioned my majiffy townread - your interactions with Nero/Mastin were super town looking. And Vifam was just blatantly doing scummy things all game >.>

AngryPidgeon · Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:49 am

In post 5337, mastin2 wrote:Followed closely by Playing with FIRE, of course, butyeah. Felt good to win that. )

Could have gone south if we didn't go with gut and block Orcinus

AngryPidgeon · Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:00 am

I found it a little amusing every time someone (mollie cough cough) called Peregrine perv.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:37 am

Guys, Im pretty sure Majiffy is scum. Lets lynch him.