Mini 1627: Ninja Mini Mafia

Varsoon · Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:59 am

In post 1075, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:misrepping and general silliness is not a scumtell for varsoon, unfortunately.

I even admitting to misrepping Slandaar just to push a lynch on him in a recent game where I was town.
Idgaf.
But for real, Killer is scum.
I'm not misrepping him, even.
Like I said, I may be hyperbolizing the events by writing descriptors like 'literally all he is doing', but when I write that it's more along the lines of 'The action that he has taken mostly seeks to accomplish X."

Varsoon · Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:19 pm

I'm starting to see that you're still terrible at reading me or that you're doing what you've been doing all game--trying to dissuade me from playing by calling what I am doing scum. Any time I do something you agree with, then you're all 'Oh, varsoon town, yes." and the second I do something I believe in that you're not for, "I dunno, varsoon seeming scummy now."

Well screw you.
I am doing what I believe in.
Killer is Scum

(I wish my laptop had photoshop)

Varsoon · Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:47 pm

Uuuuuggggh.
Ugggh.
Ugh.
Screw all you guys.
VOTE: drake

Varsoon · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:57 pm

<3

I jumped on the Drake wagon because apparently everything I say or do is pointless.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:59 pm

In post 1088, Konowa wrote:Varsoon should not be the player you should be mimicking.

In post 1088, Konowa wrote:
Varsoon should
not
be the player you should be mimicking
.

In post 1088, Konowa wrote:
Varsoon should

be the player you should be mimicking
.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:07 am

I'd back down but can't now.
Stickin with it.
We'll get good info from this, especially given interactions. :3

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:57 am

-The whole wagon on Drake has variable amounts of input on why
-Drake has a reads writeup and claim
-People have reacted to Drake's reads/claim
-There has been plenty of interaction/words directed at Drake through the whole of D2

If you can't find anything from him in this game, then you need to step it up.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:04 am

If you're narrowly seeing 'interactions' as moments when only Drake responded to what another player did/asked/wrote, then you should open your lens a bit more.
Interactions encompass every bit of engagement with the slot from every other slot and vice-versa. Just because one player doesn't specifically cite what about Drake made them write a thing or just because Drake isn't citing every post that informs his reads, it doesn't mean that all that isn't a factor.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:21 am

VOTE: BBT

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:21 am

I'm a-cool wit dis.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:26 am

I like your points on BBT.
In particular, I really don't like the Drake wagon or BBT's interaction on it.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:19 am

Do you think Drake is scum?

Varsoon · Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:41 am

Intentional trust tells are against the rules.

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:16 am

Trust tells are when you say something like,
"I only do X as this alignment"

For instance, for awhile, I was always claiming my alignment 100% truthfully.
This made the game unfair, because it grants a certain advantage but it also against scum wincon until the trust tell is broken.

The big difference from just falling into easy patterns and a trust tell, though, is that the trust tell is usually intentional and manufactured.
Like, if you went into every game and bolded your first post if you were town, and then called attention to the fact that you only bold first posts if you are town.
That sort of thing.

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:30 am

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:39 am

BBT, you're working on a really skewed perception of things with this whole
"One wagon is town as fuck, the other isn't."

Unless you mean the wagon on you is town as fuck?
I really like Xiao, Fish, and especially me for town.

I think one of Boon/Konowa could be scum, I think you're scum, and I think Orc could potentially be scum.
So...
Basically, all you've done is reaffirm that your wagon is perfectly fine and the people pushing Drake are dubious at best.

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:41 am

In post 1154, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:WTF is Drake's 1142.

Like, that is
literally
a running commentary of the game. I don't know why he has posted that.

That makes Fish's entry post look like a shining beacon of towniness. Jesus Christ, can we lynch Drake now?

Are you trying to say that Drake's commentary is scummy?
Because I'm reading this as a "I don't know why he posted that" as sort of null
but then you juxtapose that to Fish's entry, implying that it is so scummy that it makes Fish seem like a town shining beacon.

Then you hit us with a jesus christ?
Then a call for a lynch?

Based on what?
Why lynch Drake?

:l

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:43 am

In post 1158, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That certainly is a strange interpretation of the wagons.

You should try again.

Let me break it down/try again, if only to appease you:

I am scum-reading you.
My role PM tells me that I am town.
I am town-reading Xiao.
I have a null-town read on FormerFish.

Your wagon consists entirely, then, of people that are both confirmed-town to me and heavily town-read by me.
You are also scum-read by me.

On the other hand, I am null/scum-reading MOST of Drake's wagon.
You are also on Drake's wagon.

I am sorry, but I don't understand how you could not wrap your head around this.

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:48 am

I'm reading Xiao's frustration with you as town.
I'm reading Formerfish's points and examination as town.
My role PM says that I am town.

I am reading your obstinance, arrogance, and insistent pushes as scum.

If I am wrong, I do not mind.
I want you lynched because I believe that you are scum.

Varsoon · Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:19 pm

When drake flips town, can we lynch scum BBT?

Varsoon · Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:46 am

Yeah, I was gonna say, Zebulin's post is all sorts of sideways and weird and just wrong.

Varsoon · Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:21 am

If it's buddying to say "Oh man, I was just gonna say that"
I have more buddies than I thought.

Varsoon · Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:24 am

Oh, yeah, because his post was good shit.
Way better than the other guy in his slot.

Varsoon · Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:02 am

Drake Lynch is bad lynch.
VOTE: Drake

Varsoon · Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:02 am

Caught ya.

Varsoon · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:14 pm

Oh. I thought that one of two things had to be true:
Drake was totes scum, or
People on Drakes wagon were totes scum.

We didn't have much time and I was feeling like throttling the game forward.
This much kill town-side freaks me the fuck out though.
I assume scum has some BP kinda shenanigans, even then, super swingy.

Varsoon · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:16 pm

VOTE: Zebulin

Pretty much this, though.

Orc's also scum, btw.

Varsoon · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:16 pm

Like, literally, Orc is scum but you're all too thick to lynch it.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:50 am

In post 1284, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1267, Varsoon wrote:Like, literally, Orc is scum but you're all too thick to lynch it.

show them the light, why dont you

I'm too weak, Orc.
Far too weak.

Zeb's scum based on his place on the Drake wagon.
And earlier stuff, methinks. Like Thor stuff. Always Thor stuff.

Killer's points on Xaio are bad and he should feel bad. I read the 'scumclaim' as sarcasm as well.

I'm cool with a Zebulin, Killer, or Orc wagon.
:3

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:53 am

Also, yeah, dat Acryon guy is town.
Search out all the peeps who insist he's scum.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:53 am

Why you acryon george lopez?

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:56 am

UNVOTE:

Looking it over, Zebulin actually has -good- input, but bad reads and votes.
I'd wager there's scum between him and Boonskies.

I just don't know.
I really need to re-evaluate the whole game given flips and interactions.

Orc is scum, though.
VOTE: Orc

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:58 am

Ugh, scumreading Killer and Orc now that I'm reading.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:58 am

Killer's the easier wagon, imo.
Dude's clear scum.
Bad entry on me.
Bad entry today.
Just bad all around.
And by bad I mean scummy.
Scummy.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:07 am

Orc, you're always contextualizing your posts to me.
It's weird.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:34 pm

Dude, Orc, you're so gaddamned transparent with your shit.
You're so scum.
But no one else will follow me on that, so,
I guess I'll sheep you out into a loss?

Varsoon · Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:35 pm

ALL DESE SCUM APPEALS
ALL DIS "NAH VARSOON I AM TOWN LEMME HELP YOU WIN DA GAME REMEMBER THE OTHER GAMES I WAS TOWN AND PLAYED DIS WAY?"
AAAAH

Varsoon · Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:45 am

But Orc, if I remove the pants from my head, then ANYONE could mind control me. Plus, they keep my ears warm.
Your appeals bother me, man. It makes me go, "Oh jeeze Orcscum is tryin'a get me."

Varsoon · Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:46 am

Screw it, I'll sheep you.
Do we lose game when Xiao flips town?
VOTE: Xiao

Varsoon · Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:28 pm

VOTE: Orc
Xiao ain't no level 1.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:31 pm

The fact Orc knows we'd go into mylo on a Xiao lynch is a scumslip, imo.

Varsoon · Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:44 pm

Then again?
This is the only way I can catch orc at his own shit.
VOTE: Xiao

Varsoon · Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:02 pm

@killer: As far as I am aware, this is a closed setup. The only people who would know how many scum are left/if we'd be in mylo are scum, imo.
@Xiao: So, then, one of you and Orc is scum? Fairnuff.

Varsoon · Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:03 am

Okay
All of these things make sense to me.

Varsoon · Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:49 am

Xiao as scum, Killer's understanding, Orc's explanation, and Former's push on you.

:3

Scumfish probably is scumfish, tho.

Varsoon · Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:33 pm

Incoming the Christmas crawl.

Varsoon · Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:42 pm

Make a good case so more people will get on the wagon?
I dunno.
Just don't lose steam, choo choo.

Varsoon · Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:45 pm

Varsoon · Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:27 am

Ouch, Formerfish. Harsh discrediting/chainsawing.

Varsoon · Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:24 pm

Xaio's annoyance with BBT felt really genuine regardless of align.
If you could one-shot kill a player, let's say, and there was some really pissing you off, would you?

Varsoon · Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:26 pm

Furthermore, this has the additional WIFOM where Xiao can distance from the kill solely by being like, "That'd be dumb, the kill is obviously meant to implicate me."
So, basically, your argument a miss.

Varsoon · Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:32 pm

Then there's scum in the Xiao/Orc pool?

Varsoon · Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:14 pm

Mutley is not james.

Varsoon · Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:15 am

If scum is the one who was gonna point out the bbt kill link to Xiao, and Orc pointed out the bbt kill link to Xiao...
D:
If I am right on Orc-scum, I'll flip my lids.

Varsoon · Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:23 am

Got ya.

Varsoon · Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:48 pm

Yeah, but I don't know if you're town, Orc. :3
But I get ya.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:23 am

Actually, orc, there were two kills.
BBT and Konowa.

Varsoon · Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:14 pm

Formerfish is scum.

Varsoon · Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:40 pm

><
I'm still g.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:22 am

I guess they had no other choice but to kill Orc, given he was super confirmed at this point.
VOTE: Killer Jesterer

Killer is scum.
I can make a case for this, but it's pretty much obvious.
Orc also said Killer was scum, so, yeah.
Let's lynch killer.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:28 am

Nice deflect, but I don't have a killing ability.
Meanwhile, your name literally has the word Killer in it.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:35 am

Stop trying to avoid the fact you're scum.
I think it's captivating that you immediately committed the scum-sin of crossvoting me.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:36 am

Like, why vote me?
You seem to have done it purely in response to me voting you.
But I've voiced that you're scum plenty so far.
I don't recall much of you building a case on me.
I might be wrong, but yeah.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:38 am

lolwait
You've been pushing me all game.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:45 am

In post 13, Xiao Long wrote:Aww, damn, now I actually have to *read* you. Well, you're probably scum like usual.

I also now realize how awkward it must look since Xiao pretty much 180'd on me (scum to town read, essentially) and also was town-reading Acryon.
To be fair, Xiao was scum-reading Thor and bussed it.
Gotta figure the dude was playing 2nd level scum, where he's just scum-playing-town. His reads feel genuine rather than contrived and a lot of his points made sense to me.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:49 am

no use, zeb is town too

Varsoon · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:24 am

Given the flips of our town so far (jack of all trades and Vigilante), I've got to imagine the last scum is a power role and that if we have any other town PRs then they're something that interacts with Vig/JoaT with, perhaps, negative utility.

Also, scum could lie and claim a PR as well.
We're too close to fudge this up with basing our lynches in something as insubstantial as a mass claim in a closed setup.

I say that we lynch based off of logic and the fact we've got 64 pages of info to go off of.

Varsoon · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:37 am

With that said, I am thinking Killer could be the last scum.
If it's not him, I'll be damned, but there's probably any easy case to make on a lot of the players in this game.

The Boon wagon at day's end had Acyron and Zebulin on it, if you want to think that Xiao wasn't a bus. :/

Otherwise, we've got Formerfish and Boonskies on the tail end of the Xiao wagon there. I don't think that scum would hammer out their second comrade, but I could be totes wrong.

So, yeah, ugh.
This is actually a conflicting endgame.

Varsoon · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:38 am

I think that based on Xiao's interactions and how Thor was handled, we could probably deduce the last scum.

Varsoon · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:38 am

Keeping in mind that Thor was playing scummy and Xiao was playing to his town meta.

Varsoon · Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:24 am

I think we've won after we lynch you, though.

Varsoon · Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:27 pm

Reads would be dope from everyone

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:04 am

I was under the impression that xiao hated Boonskies.
Worried about acyon playing scum.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:13 am

One which boon is scum and we lynch him there?
We need to come to a conclusion here.
What I am worried about is boon town more than boon scum.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:14 am

Wait, no, killer or boon has to be scum.
Figured it out, gimme a sec.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:16 am

Blah, I messed up. Thought it was 3 to lynch.
I figured that the fact Killer wasn't hammered when he was at 2 votes cleared people.
Shucks.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:20 am

I was tempted to fake a cop innocent on him just to mess with you, but I did that recently in a game, I think.
I think I am going to be tonight's kill. :/
I want to win today.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:34 am

Yeah, true and true, but what if, just what if...
There were 4 scum
?!!?!

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:51 am

Well, acryon, let's say that I go with you on this boon lynch, against everything that's in me saying boon is town.
What happens when we hit lylo?

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:55 am

Killer's scum, though.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:17 pm

Ugh, I'm just paranoid.
I want a lynch on killer, but I'd compromise on a Boon lynch even though I'm pretty much sure that dude is town.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:53 pm

Why?
Killer is scum.
I'm not budging on this unless I absolutely have to for there to be a lynch.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:49 am

Yeah, besides, I've got a wonderful graphic for when killer flips scum.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:27 am

A lynch on me is a waste. I'm town.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:20 pm

Man, I invented trust tells. :3

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:30 pm

Zeb's got a solid chance of being scum, I agree.
I would be fine lynching that too.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:54 pm

Yeah we covered that already. I'd rather the game just progress as is normal.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:55 pm

VOTE: Zebulin

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:55 pm

Killer is scum, though.
Watch.
Watch us hit tomorrow with Killer still alive.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:00 pm

You're already setting up to 1v1 me tomorrow?
Cute.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:06 pm

You're right, Zeb. You're goddamn right.
VOTE: Killer
Let's just 1v1 now.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:06 pm

If I was scum, I'd be way less stressed about pushing out killer.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:19 pm

You're sounding a lot like I did when I was in the same position before.
You're putting too many of your chips on me being scum.
But I'm not, which lets me know you're wrong.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:33 pm

It's really not that much other than logic.
I think boon and Acryon are town.
I know I am town.
I think you are scum.
I am not sure on Zebulin.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:39 pm

Iffy on Former. Internally waffled a bunch on him.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:28 pm

It's -really- clear from the votecount.

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:11 pm

Ugh.
Zebulin is town, though.
VOTE: Zebulin

Varsoon · Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:12 pm

Did not mean to vote there. ><
VOTE: KillerJesterererer

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:14 pm

Killer can't do that--it'd be too obvious when they flip town.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:00 pm

I'd prefer an early claim from Killer.
Also, Killer won't just random push, it'd be out of his current trajectory.
Boon is town.

The way I see it, Scum was either on the Xiao wagon or off it (duh).
For off-the-wagon scum, it's gotta be Zebulin.
For on-the-wagon scum, it's gotta be Killer.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:00 pm

Zebulin should claim first.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:14 pm

Acryon is not scum because if he is then we lost.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:15 pm

I'm Vanilla Town.
Killer next.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:21 pm

I've got the power of my vote and my voice.
That's the flavor.
Dunno if it's in the page 1 pm or not.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:32 pm

Then Zebulin is scum in that amalgamation.
Even though I'm positive Killer is the final scum.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:38 pm

I think we do.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:40 pm

VOTE: Zebulin
I give up.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:46 pm

UNVOTE:

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:48 pm

Killer is def def scum.

Varsoon · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:51 pm

In post 1777, Zebulin wrote:Alas, I am not.

Did you guys read my wall a couple pages ago?

In post 1778, Zebulin wrote:
Killer, before you kill me, let the massclaim end and let acryon say his thoughts on the game because he's probably going to die tonight. Thanks.

Too convincing.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:49 am

Super skeptical of that Acyron claim.
That's pretty much the perfect scumclaim for "Hey guys this is why I'll make it to Lylo and beat you."

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:51 am

Aight then.
You also aren't explaining your vote on me, and it's really a head-scratcher as to why you, if you were town, would claim a BP role like that.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:57 am

But you see why I'm skeptical, right?
Like, that that's a really -effective- claim to make as scum right now, right?

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:01 am

Here's this.
I trust you if you trust me.
I'm town.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:03 am

My town-read of Boonskies is informed mostly due to his play when under intense pressure.
If EVERYONE thinks Boonskies is the lynch we need to make, then we'll make that lynch.
I'm just against it because I think it'll turn up town and I'll feel dumb for going along with lynching it.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:09 am

VOTE: Boonskies
I'm telling you, this is a mistake.
Even if we eliminate doubt in MYLO/LYLO, if we get a townflip here then I want you all to prostrate yourselves while facing Baton Rouge and say aloud, "I am sorry Varsoon, you were right."
You should also post that in thread.
I want an apology from every one of you if Boon flips town.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:11 am

As I see it, the only other realistic possibility is that everyone sheeps Acryon onto a mislynch on me.
I don't mind you being town captain, Acryon, but town captain shouldn't be pushing mislynches.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:27 am

The other thing is, really,
If you want to metagame,
Boon can't be trust telling if he's scum right now.
Which explains that away.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:35 am

It's all G.
Don't worry about the trust tell stuff.
Let's lynch Boon because LYLO with him is too risky and because of all the aforementioned cases on him.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:49 am

Man, for what it's worth, I enjoyed playing with you, Boonskies.
It's just that if it's me or you, I know that I'm town and you're a liability for town winning in LYLO regardless of your alignment.

I think the gameplan tomorrow is to play smart, forget our vendettas and grudges, NOT VOTE UNTIL TOWN AGREES ON A MAJORITY, and analyze the game as a whole.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:26 am

TOLD YA
I FUGGIN TOLD YA

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:27 am

But yeah, Boon, try not to be so madcap in future games.
I mean, insanity is good. Insanity keeps people from getting an edge on you.
But if you make yourself an easy target, scum will let you live to lategame and this will happen unless you're sleeper OP.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:27 am

You're a fun dude, though.
<3

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:16 am

Start apologizing.
Killer didn't even have to play in LYLO because of how much you all wouldn't listen to me.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:17 am

This is why I shouldn't have let you people talk me into a Boonskies lynch.
It was obvious Boon was town.
I knew Killer was scum.
I was hoping that giving you Boon blood would broker a lynch on Killer in LYLO but nooooo
No one ever cares what CONFIRMED TOWN VARSOON said once he's a corpse.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:18 am

Now I don't even get to use the 'Killer is Dead' image.
inb4 killer/scumteam gloating. Town killed itself this game.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:22 am

Listen to DEAD AND CONFIRMED TOWN next time, will ya?

Spoiler:

In post 1078, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1075, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:misrepping and general silliness is not a scumtell for varsoon, unfortunately.

I even admitting to misrepping Slandaar just to push a lynch on him in a recent game where I was town.
Idgaf.
But for real, Killer is scum.
I'm not misrepping him, even.
Like I said, I may be hyperbolizing the events by writing descriptors like 'literally all he is doing', but when I write that it's more along the lines of 'The action that he has taken mostly seeks to accomplish X."

In post 1080, Varsoon wrote:I'm starting to see that you're still terrible at reading me or that you're doing what you've been doing all game--trying to dissuade me from playing by calling what I am doing scum. Any time I do something you agree with, then you're all 'Oh, varsoon town, yes." and the second I do something I believe in that you're not for, "I dunno, varsoon seeming scummy now."

Well screw you.
I am doing what I believe in.
Killer is Scum

(I wish my laptop had photoshop)

In post 1295, Varsoon wrote:Killer's the easier wagon, imo.
Dude's clear scum.
Bad entry on me.
Bad entry today.
Just bad all around.
And by bad I mean scummy.
Scummy.

In post 1562, Varsoon wrote:I guess they had no other choice but to kill Orc, given he was super confirmed at this point.
VOTE: Killer Jesterer

Killer is scum.
I can make a case for this, but it's pretty much obvious.
Orc also said Killer was scum, so, yeah.
Let's lynch killer.

In post 1583, Varsoon wrote:With that said, I am thinking Killer could be the last scum.
If it's not him, I'll be damned, but there's probably any easy case to make on a lot of the players in this game.

The Boon wagon at day's end had Acyron and Zebulin on it, if you want to think that Xiao wasn't a bus. :/

Otherwise, we've got Formerfish and Boonskies on the tail end of the Xiao wagon there. I don't think that scum would hammer out their second comrade, but I could be totes wrong.

So, yeah, ugh.
This is actually a conflicting endgame.

In post 1625, Varsoon wrote:Killer's scum, though.

In post 1631, Varsoon wrote:Ugh, I'm just paranoid.
I want a lynch on killer, but I'd compromise on a Boon lynch even though I'm pretty much sure that dude is town.

In post 1634, Varsoon wrote:Why?
Killer is scum.
I'm not budging on this unless I absolutely have to for there to be a lynch.

In post 1640, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, besides, I've got a wonderful graphic for when killer flips scum.

In post 1672, Varsoon wrote:Killer is scum, though.
Watch.
Watch us hit tomorrow with Killer still alive.

In post 1677, Varsoon wrote:You're right, Zeb. You're goddamn right.
VOTE: Killer
Let's just 1v1 now.

In post 1731, Varsoon wrote:I'd prefer an early claim from Killer.
Also, Killer won't just random push, it'd be out of his current trajectory.
Boon is town.

The way I see it, Scum was either on the Xiao wagon or off it (duh).
For off-the-wagon scum, it's gotta be Zebulin.
For on-the-wagon scum, it's gotta be Killer.

In post 1762, Varsoon wrote:Then Zebulin is scum in that amalgamation.
Even though I'm positive Killer is the final scum.

In post 1781, Varsoon wrote:Killer is def def scum.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:24 am

In post 1958, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:im siteflaking

fuck this game

I feel your pain.
Let's both roll scum together in a game sometime so we can win and feel better.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:26 am

In post 1965, Formerfish wrote:Varsoon, you said scum was between Zeb and Killer.

I also said, a thousand times over, Killer was the last scum.
If you think because I said Zeb could be scum a handful of times, then why didn't you lynch Acyron or yourself, as I said the same shit about both of you?
It was clear when Zeb got run up the other day that he wasn't scum.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:28 am

I think town is a load of fun, actually.
I love not knowing shit and making hardcore cases and playing well and catching scum.
The problem is that I get invested too hard as town and when I die miserably or my townteam kills itself and neglects what I have to say, it feels crummy.

As scum I just get to scum it up and that's cool.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:31 am

Erratic voting?
When I was dead and I flipped town, you didn't stop and think, "Oh man, Varsoon is now CONFIRMED town, maybe I should check his ISO and maybe think about his points?"
Because I pretty much kept a vote and case on Killer half the damn game.

@Orc: Oh, I thought you were scum and Xiao was town. >< Yeah, I was wrong there, but right on Killer. :3
Sorry?

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:36 am

Oh, no, my reads weren't super the best ever, but my death tunnel on Killer was on point. :3
I thought you were bussing scum, Orcy.
Because I know you're good enough to pull that shit off.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:40 am

Also, Orc, don't ya know?
I love being a pain in your ass. It makes it more fun for us both, right?

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:56 am

I like a good pouting, but I'll be k.
When you lose as town, you take your lumps and learn from it.

For instance:
I should have spent more time in ISOs, actually making a consistent and drawn out case rather than just banking on my early one, and never brokering lynches as town.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:02 am

It's easy to get pissed at other people and be mad, but that solves nothing really.

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:36 pm

Let me know if you'd like me to be in another game of yours, Shinobi~

Varsoon · Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:50 pm

<3
I had fun here, yo.
Thanks for running it.

Varsoon · Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:12 pm

My main issue with the super-aggressive early push is that it gives scum too much smokescreen and can potentially out a strong PR.
And maybe this comes back to my major problem with Claims--people give PR claims far too much weight.

Varsoon · Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:09 am

I think that the real danger of it is that it's an approach too easily manipulated by scum and too easily backfired by bad town.
That said, I see where you're coming from. I think it's way more effective in generating worthwhile content than typical RVS.

Varsoon · Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:06 pm

Makes sense to me, although I think that any game can begin with serious scumhunting without having to have a 'trigger' like that.
RVS was meant to be a trigger but it lost its genuine worth once it became commonplace practice. I imagine the same could happen in regards to really any strategy.
Honestly, D1, wouldn't the strongest play be to make a lottery, where a random player is chosen for lynch (after claim)? Hell, I'd go so far as to say that in closed setups to just do an absolutely random D1 lynch. The info from the flip and the NK seem more valuable than the content posted, most the time.
But, eh, I like the game of rhetoric. It's why I play forum mafia.

Varsoon · Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:54 am