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Page 1 -Naomi Tan is an early town read, she hasn't played in a long while and you can usually spot the newb scum going for the whole "I'm so bad as town" act at ten paces. Flubbernuggets's Riddleton vote is in the butter zone of not attracting attention but also not progressing the wagon to any meaningful point
Page 2-Didn't GGG's jumping to an RVS vote after a serious one without declaring any read change on Naomi-Tan, if he wanted his vote back somewhere it would be most useful but no longer had a legit scum-read, why not move to the Riddleton wagon? Also didn't like the way he phrased his response to Munkir, asking people why they voted isn't really an "approach", it's pretty much the whole game, felt buddyingish.
Also don't like AWA characterising Riddleton's wagon as a "joke wagon", when is a wagon ever a joke? Even in RVS. Even with a 2 year break, someone who played for 2 years should understand RVS better than that. And come to think of it, where was his vote on me?
I'm a little ambivalent about droog's reaction to the quickhammer, going off the people who posted and not looking at a VC or realising what forum he was in seems a bit odd, but his reaction seemed genuine, and I like that he tried to get immediate in-game pressure on his neighbour.
Page 3-Not much notable here, crazypianist I lean town on-ish, pressuring seems genuine.
Page 4-istott's "I'm voting you until you post " thing is weird, but probably not alignment indicative.
Revisiting 82 by Originalchris I hate it even more than I did when I first read it, ironically it was completely unoriginal, the droog L-1 thing had already been covered, the lurker speech was pointless, just looks like him trying to look like he's doing work, plus he had commentary on the game yet accompanied it with no meaningful vote."An RVS wagon adds no pressure but I'm going to RVS instead of voting the person I'm questioning", doesn't ring sincere to me, and the statement about RVS wagons was bad enough on it's own.
88 by Flames is bad aswell, but not as bad as I remember, "pressure votes are bad", feels like a sketchy deflection and chest puffing to get the vote off himself, if he'd said something along the lines, "your votes aren't pressure votes because you've declared you'll remove them when the person posts" I'd find it more believable, but there's no questioning or attempt to analyse it, just "lol pressure don't work on me". The "Anyway" look forced, like he's trying hard to sound casual and relaxed, and the sucks, none of the annoyed town vibes from other player's, just picking an easy target. Having typed that out, it is actully as bad as I remember. Follows it with an immediate attempt to discredit, and 94 does absolutely nothing, says nothing, stands for nothing, just a post for a post's sake.
I quite like droog's vote on me here, doesn't feel the need to dress it up, it's probably what I would have done in his position.
Page 5103 Where was this on page 1 or 2?
104 More pointless posting
106 Am I honestly expected to believe that this is why I'm not being voted? Did this stop you voting me on page 2?
116 Flubernugget knows the answer to this question, I'm sort of picking up the faceitiousness in the post, but also sort of not, ambivalent on it right now
118 & 120 3 posts and still no contribution from Originalchris
Page 6125 I like this post, I don't like Riddle's thread avoidance
I like the commentary on me on this page, I could see GGG whiteknighting, but feeling better about him overall, I like crazy piantist being upfront it being a PL
135 This isn't true, and I feel like Flames 7141235892346 should know this
With everything I've said about Flames. This is actually where I want my vote
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In post 139, droog wrote:In post 136, Whomping Willow wrote:I'm a little ambivalent about droog's reaction to the quickhammer, going off the people who posted and not looking at a VC or realising what forum he was in seems a bit odd, but his reaction seemed genuine, and I like that he tried to get immediate in-game pressure on his neighbour.
why'd you place that vote?
im assuming you knew it wasnt l-1
was it a test?
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In post 143, droog wrote:In post 141, Whomping Willow wrote:In post 139, droog wrote:In post 136, Whomping Willow wrote:I'm a little ambivalent about droog's reaction to the quickhammer, going off the people who posted and not looking at a VC or realising what forum he was in seems a bit odd, but his reaction seemed genuine, and I like that he tried to get immediate in-game pressure on his neighbour.
why'd you place that vote?
im assuming you knew it wasnt l-1
was it a test?
I knew it wasn't L-1. I mostly did it for my own amusement, but also as a test.
you were ambivalent about how i scored on your test
which is the only reason i have trouble believing this
Why are the two linked? I read your post and thought it would be funny to vote Riddleton, but I also knew your reaction might help me get a read on you.
In post 142, Flames682 wrote:In post 136, Whomping Willow wrote:88 by Flames is bad aswell, but not as bad as I remember, "pressure votes are bad", feels like a sketchy deflection and chest puffing to get the vote off himself, if he'd said something along the lines, "your votes aren't pressure votes because you've declared you'll remove them when the person posts" I'd find it more believable, but there's no questioning or attempt to analyse it, just "lol pressure don't work on me". The "Anyway" look forced, like he's trying hard to sound casual and relaxed, and the sucks, none of the annoyed town vibes from other player's, just picking an easy target. Having typed that out, it is actully as bad as I remember. Follows it with an immediate attempt to discredit, and 94 does absolutely nothing, says nothing, stands for nothing, just a post for a post's sake.
1. Pressure votes are bad, especially if they're just voting someone who hasn't posted. It's not more likely to make them post.
2. If you're going to analyze one word of everyone's posts the whole game, don't.
3. You're right about post 94, it was absolutely blank.
1. So why not talk about the part where it's on those who haven't posted? That's the relevant part.
2. Do I show any signs of doing this? I analysed one word of one of your posts, if you're scum you have to think about how every post you write comes accross, if a word looks forced or uncharacteristic, it's scummy.
3. It had words, those words just didn't achieve anything, and didn't look like they were trying to achieve anything.-
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In post 144, Flames682 wrote:In post 136, Whomping Willow wrote:135 This isn't true, and I feel like Flames 7141235892346 should know this
Unless it's a PL, then it's true.
So it isn't true. This is like saying "All apples are green" then when someone points out that's false, saying "well unless they're red, then it's true".-
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In post 153, Flames682 wrote:In post 145, Whomping Willow wrote:In post 142, Flames682 wrote:In post 136, Whomping Willow wrote:88 by Flames is bad aswell, but not as bad as I remember, "pressure votes are bad", feels like a sketchy deflection and chest puffing to get the vote off himself, if he'd said something along the lines, "your votes aren't pressure votes because you've declared you'll remove them when the person posts" I'd find it more believable, but there's no questioning or attempt to analyse it, just "lol pressure don't work on me". The "Anyway" look forced, like he's trying hard to sound casual and relaxed, and the sucks, none of the annoyed town vibes from other player's, just picking an easy target. Having typed that out, it is actully as bad as I remember. Follows it with an immediate attempt to discredit, and 94 does absolutely nothing, says nothing, stands for nothing, just a post for a post's sake.
1. Pressure votes are bad, especially if they're just voting someone who hasn't posted. It's not more likely to make them post.
2. If you're going to analyze one word of everyone's posts the whole game, don't.
3. You're right about post 94, it was absolutely blank.
1. So why not talk about the part where it's on those who haven't posted? That's the relevant part.
2. Do I show any signs of doing this? I analysed one word of one of your posts, if you're scum you have to think about how every post you write comes accross, if a word looks forced or uncharacteristic, it's scummy.
3. It had words, those words just didn't achieve anything, and didn't look like they were trying to achieve anything.
1. Because istott's votes were pressure votes on people who didn't post, and I assumed that he would know that I was talking about that. I don't have to spell everything out in my posts.
2. The word "anyway" was overanalyzed, and if you do it in one post, then it's likely you'll do it somewhere else.
3. It was me reading the thread and posting some notes while reading.
1. Well do you think he's town for it? I'm assuming so since you didn't attempt to question it at all
2. Maybe, maybe not
3. And yet you had nothing relevant to say in your notes?-
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In post 158, Originalchris wrote:Lots of over-analyzation from whomp after droog says he will unvote only after whomp contributes. Anyways, (am I forcing this anyways, or am I being casual with my anyways? Anyways...) I'm not sure why other people's posts are not relevant, but whomp's wall post is. Relevant to what exactly? Were your random troll votes relevant, or does relevance only occur when you say so?
Anyways, I maintain my stance that RVS pressure wagons are mostly useless (pressure them into answering what exactly?), and anyways, that I highly dislike lurkers, despite whether it is in any way(s) original or not. Maybe you can read it again and dislike it more whomp. Anyways, I wonder why you dislike it so much? Are you planning on lurking anytime (or anyway) soon? I plan on not letting you FYI.
In post 159, Originalchris wrote:Aside from that, congrats on joining the game.
Your posts before this objectively had 0 original game relevant content. My posts prior to my wall had more content than your pre-wall posts. So... congrats on joining the game.
In post 165, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Finally, at the end of post; post 136 you went and voted for chris, but you only mentioned him once as a mid sorta comment, rather than at the end like a bold statement, could you perhaps expand on that point as I personally feel that he isn't really doing anything and looking like he is contributing without saying much, but your RVS statement doesn't speak to me much. so I'd like more.
If he feels an RVS wagon is useless then what possible purpose could he see his RVS vote as having? Especially when he implied legitimate suspicion of droog. It doesn't look like he was actually interested in sorting droog to me, just wanting to look like he's doing something, as you said.
In post 165, Naomi-Tan wrote:Whomping Willow@
In post 136, Whomping Willow wrote:Page 3- Not much notable here, crazypianist I lean town on-ish, pressuring seems genuine.
Can you expand on your thoughts on Crazy Paint?
Largely gut, he wasn't going after the easy stuff or stuf that had already been covered, but he could be good scum so I'm tentative with the read
I agree Munkir townslipped. Surprised we missed it for this long aswell.
173 Eurgh
In post 175, Riddleton wrote:I like droog's reaction test. That was pretty cool. Townpoints for that.
Do you mean his reaction?
I don't know enough about RL mafia to gauge whether isott should have picked up on that highly blatant fakevig. But Riddleton capitulated on that read far too easily for my liking and Flames is being too hardline with it, Riddleton doing that and declaring istott town seems pointless as scum though, and he atleast did something to try and develop a read, which Flames349 has yet to do.-
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In post 236, Originalchris wrote: fact-
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In post 249, Originalchris wrote:In post 248, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 244, Originalchris wrote:In post 243, Whomping Willow wrote:Please quote where droog is defending me and not just attacking you
This is called deflection. Thanks for admitting this.
Wat
Is it that hard to understand?
Player C attacks and/or questions Player B.
Player A wants to defend Player B.
Player A could straight up defend them, by answering their questions and saying why they are town, but if they are scum buddies, this implicates both of them.
Opposite of that, Player A instead attacks Player C.
Deflection 101.
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In post 286, Flames682 wrote:Womping I'm not the guy who posts walls of text or states everything I think.
Are you the type of guy that scumhunts?
And this wasn't a response to what I said. How is stating your read doing something to develop it?-
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In post 289, Flames682 wrote:You know the answer already.
Please educate me on how you stating what your read is on someone is you doing something to get a better read on them and is you scumhunting. Like maybe you could say "I can see their reaction" or something similar, but if that is what you can best pull out to show you're scumhunting then...-
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In post 302, Flames682 wrote:Trees don't talk.
And yes right now I do have a scumread on istott still
Neither does fire but here we are. I guess we're natural enemies, is that why you're being so hostile?-
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In post 327, Flames682 wrote:Post 88 was pretty accurate.
It wasn't
In post 327, Flames682 wrote:Post 135 had one exception.
That "one exception" invalidated the entire statement
In post 327, Flames682 wrote:Post 138 I have no idea what you're saying
Post 299 was making a joke, that's scummy how?
Both were you responding to posts but with no actual content response and evading the actual meat of what you were responding to-
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In post 334, Flames682 wrote:In post 333, Whomping Willow wrote:Both were you responding to posts but with no actual content response and evading the actual meat of what you were responding to
Wow, kind of like your useless votes.
This post is another example of it. Very meta.
In post 335, Flames682 wrote:In post 333, Whomping Willow wrote:That "one exception" invalidated the entire statement
Bullshit
If there's an exception to something you say is always true then it's invalidated, I bring you back to my green apples analogy
Burden of proof is on you. Why should a player not use their vote to pressure someone?-
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In post 339, Flames682 wrote:In post 338, Whomping Willow wrote:If there's an exception to something you say is always true then it's invalidated, I bring you back to my green apples analogy
So you're saying that PLs are the most common and scum lynches are not with that analogy.
No, you miss the point. Ignore the apples and just consider the first clause if the analogy confuses you.
In post 340, Flames682 wrote:In post 338, Whomping Willow wrote:Burden of proof is on you. Why should a player not use their vote to pressure someone?
Because it doesn't work.
If you're going to argue that pressure votes have never worked or that a player shouldn't bother voting because it's unlikely to make scum spontaneously combust then it's not an argument you're going to win-
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In post 344, Flames682 wrote:In post 341, Whomping Willow wrote:No, you miss the point. Ignore the apples and just consider the first clause if the analogy confuses you.
The exception is rare and was not relevant to the topic.
It was directly and explicitly relevant since you were responding to GGG raising the topic. It's hard to believe you're not just lying at this point
In post 342, Flames682 wrote:In post 341, Whomping Willow wrote:that a player shouldn't bother voting because it's unlikely to make scum spontaneously combust
Thank you for bending my words.
Then make your arguments instead of the constant immature sniping and tantrum throwing over being asked basic things-
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In post 358, istott wrote:That's directed at flames343, right?
Yes
In post 361, Flames682 wrote:Nice deflection
It's really hard for me to believe you actually believe what you're saying, but my gut is saying you do-
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In post 374, Flames682 wrote:In post 351, Whomping Willow wrote:It was directly and explicitly relevant since you were responding to GGG raising the topic. It's hard to believe you're not just lying at this point
Policy lynch was not relevant to the topic.
In post 135, Flames682 wrote:In post 131, GGG wrote:Crazy I notice you are voting for him because you want him lynched rather than you believe him to be scum. Do you and really anyone on the wagon feel he is actually scummy?
Um, if you want someone to be lynched, you think they're scum.
It was the topic.
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Caught up. Will attempt to give Oc a full response later but work is hectic. Surprised there's not more discussion on his whole "Everyone who suspects me must be scum in cahoots or bad/trolling town" with no attempt to respond to any of the points against him, or even justify his own opinions.
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In post 577, Originalchris wrote:I hate acting like anything is a slur if someone is offended. I guess that means you should never call something 'stupid' because all the IQ challenged people of the world may get offended. Don't call it lame either, since all the cripples may take offense. I can keep going. Being 'PC' ruins the English language and destroys freedom of speech.
Freedom of Speech protects you from the government trying to sensor you, it does not stop people being called out for their idiotic behaviour and does not remove any consequences for what they say from other people. Regardless, this is a private site, no one has "freedom of speech" here, they are obligated to act under the rules of the game and behave in a manner at the discretion of the game moderator and site moderators. If a player is going out of their way to pointlessly act in a way that offends other users then they need to be warned or removed from the game. And it has absolutely nothing to do with whether you think people are being oversensitive, I'm gay and couldn't care less about people using the word gay as an insult, I've heard my entire life and it's completely normalised to me. However, I can distinguish between "this does not offend me" and "this offends other users and is not appropriate for a mafia game".
Please learn the terms you're using to soapbox your 'omg so controversial & edgy' opinions, before you embarrass yourself further.-
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In post 578, Originalchris wrote:Will post actual relevant stuff after work sometime. But yeah, let's stop crying about words someone uses that has nothing to do with them being scum or not.
If you really felt this way you wouldn't have made a comment right above this fanning the flames of the argument.-
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In post 213, Originalchris wrote:In post 209, Whomping Willow wrote:
Your posts before this objectively had 0 original game relevant content. My posts prior to my wall had more content than your pre-wall posts. So... congrats on joining the game.
I disagree. Not about my FIRST POST OF THE GAME having no relevance prior to that (I completely agree with you on that part /sarcasm), but your wall post had zero content that I found useful.
You asked droog a bunch of stuff he had just answered and some speech about lurkers which would apply to any game. Your post had 0 original game relevant content, this is objectively true.
In post 213, Originalchris wrote:You latched onto the word "anyways" (attacking flames I believe) and said it looked forced as if that was somehow a scum tell and you were scum hunting.
If someone's post sounding forced isn't a scum tell, then explain to me why townies are more likely to have to force the content of their posts.
In post 213, Originalchris wrote:If anyone looks forced, it is you right now. It's really bad. You only "joined" the gamed (after a ton of stupid troll votes that were garnering you major anti-town vibes) after droog basically coached you into it. Now you're acting as if you've somehow set the bar for quality posts after you had to literally be told what to do by your possible scum buddy.
In post 115, Whomping Willow wrote:You guys are boring. I'll make a proper post later
In post 213, Originalchris wrote:In post 209, Whomping Willow wrote:If he feels an RVS wagon is useless then what possible purpose could he see his RVS vote as having? Especially when he implied legitimate suspicion of droog. It doesn't look like he was actually interested in sorting droog to me, just wanting to look like he's doing something, as you said.
Correct, I'm not actually trying to sort droog out yet. I'm sorting you out. Also, are you accusing me of what you've been doing after droog coached you into posting something more than a vote change?
You weren't trying to sort him but you were asking him about something he did in the game? What were you trying to do by asking those questions then?
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