Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)
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Now that I'm in the game, I should explain what my case was trying to do better. I was pointing out that every single reason I've seen for townreading mulch is wrong. Yes @Mulch, I explicitly only quoted your scum meta and only games I was involved in (didn't even open any of your other scum games), because I knew I had examples of you doing virtually everything "townie" you've done ITG as scum. Your AtE explosions, "I always get lynched d1", reflexively targeting the person pushing you, etc. You do those things as town too, that's why you do them as scum, I know, I know. But you are being very disingenuous with your arguments discrediting my slot. I am not sad with myself and needing a justice wagon. I've never said I wouldn't try to read you - I've professed the opposite to you, multiple times,to the point you used me arguing against your lynch mid d1 in BTM as a defense iirc. I am pushing you because... I think you're scum. That's also why I wantunabombah to ask Boonwhat his read is - Boon has most of the same experience with you I do. If I'm wrong, Boon should have you as town (assuming Una isn't scum). As it stands though, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum.
this post was a lot longer but not worth a giant shouting match rn. i'll listen to lynch options outside of mulch if the support isn't there and i won't turn it into a 20 page 1v1 with me and mulch, but i want it known where i stand on him.-
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Lets see.In post 1350, Ether wrote:Day 1, Votecount 35
3 skirt skirt (Chara, Ginngie, Kmd4390)Strange kills for a so-called vig
You are a serial killer
Could lynch you, but let's think big
You are a serial killer
You could keep your life
If you follow the plan
You will shoot tonight
As the townies demand
Give us no cause to doubt
You are a useful man
-[]Beautiful Killer,Madonna
2 Cabd (Spiffeh, Toranaga)
2 Mulch (Kagami, implosion)
1 Ginngie (Patrick)
1 Kagami (Firebringer)
1 Kmd4390 (UnaBombaH)
5 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Mulch, skirt skirt)
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.
Cabd is claiming friendly neighbour? Why is that still a wagon
Ginngie town
Kagami is town
KMD is townish (and they'll unvote and townbloc with me eventually if they're town anyways)
So, whoever's townreading mulch, please suggest an alternative. I would also like Tor to articulate better why he townreads Mulch so strongly, because I just don't get it. I don't intend on joining any of those vanity wagons. I am not currently voting Mulch either, though its effectively there.-
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Because if you're town you'll place a less shit vote soon enoughIn post 1384, Kmd4390 wrote:Ok, I've read up and three things:
1) Kagami, why did you flip your read on me? It seemed sudden and unexplained.
2) why is anyone townreading the whole Eddie/transcend thing? I think this came from ginngie and mulch so please explain that
3) Eddie why would I town Bloc with the person Im voting?
I'm pretty firm on town cheet and transcend thinks fire is lock town, :shrug:In post 1387, Kagami wrote:Chesskid read the first 22 pages of the game and ended with Mulch, Fire, Cheet with kmd/Implosion if one of those is town.
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why are you voting this slot again?In post 1240, Kmd4390 wrote:Mathdino says the following on transcend by the way:
-the way transcend says fuck meta is town as fuck
-hes right about unabomb.
-team input seems genuine especially 897. Likes progression from 251 to 255
-he says not knowing my alt implies no coaching from scumbuddies
-he likes transcends reads and even says the read on me is how he'd see me if he didn't know I'm town
-the only scum motivation he sees is if transcend sees mulch as his biggest threat which he says makes no sense because mulch just buddies him when he townreads him
And finally he says it's my game so whatever but he's townreading transcend pretty strongly.
He followed up with another post implying transcend would choose town by linking cheets please don't roll against me thread in MD where cheet said he doesn't want to be scum against town transcend. Transcend never posted in that thread.
Preview edit: he's not gaining anything if he's dead scum who told us a living player is confirmed town. If successful, he's shrinking the Lynch pool and giving his partners a higher chance of being lynched. How is this not just common sense at this point?-
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In post 1373, Eddie Cane wrote:Also, I remember seeing a lot of kerfluffle fosing, would like to see why its scum!kashmir as opposed to town!cavier-
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hiIn post 1423, Chara wrote:
should have bolded that, thank you for seeing it all the same, Ether.In post 1410, Ether wrote:Chara has fallen into prod range. It's let me know in advance that it should be back later tonight, so no prod will be sent.
on that note, i'll read now. i saw Transcend get replaced.
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moderate to highIn post 1454, Chara wrote:Eddie: tell me your confidence level on Mulch scum?-
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you literally just said you played the sameIn post 1463, Mulch wrote:It’s telling that boon is townreading me btw
And toranaga
They actually know how I play-
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did you not notice me asking for an updated boon read?In post 1477, Mulch wrote:
there are subtle tone and agenda differences that only experienced players with me can noticeIn post 1476, Eddie Cane wrote:
you literally just said you played the sameIn post 1463, Mulch wrote:It’s telling that boon is townreading me btw
And toranaga
They actually know how I play
Like boon and ufo
Notice how Much boon has saved me day 1
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that's not trueIn post 1494, Chara wrote:
you've hit a pet peeve that is, unfortunately in my experience, not necessarily scum indicative.In post 1490, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.
I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them..
there isnovisible difference between TvT and SvT, unless you're scumreading one side and townreading the other. this post says you're fine as long as one of them goes down.-
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because i don't have the will to deal with him regardless of his alignment\\tvt in the way una just used it as stupid, svs is a fancy way of saying they both look scummy and have no good reason not to be partners, tvt is a fancy way of saying fuck off dumbasses, tvx is a valid statement.In post 1497, Chara wrote:yes, it is. if you can say "this is TvS", you can say who is more likely faking it and who is not. if you can only say "someoneis not being genuine here, but i can't tell who" then it's an unhelpful read.
but i feel like we've argued about this before... in Beneath the Mask, i think. maybe?
anyways, Eddie. tell me about where you are? why weren't you interested in 1v1ing Mulch?-
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show me why this is scum transcend on meta, because i know transcend meta and it's not, nor is it his town meta.In post 1501, Kmd4390 wrote:Eddie, you asked why I was voting you. I couldn't have my first choice in unabomb so I went to my second which is you based on transcend meta and his handling of mulch.-
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In post 1506, Chara wrote:
SvS is a fancy way of saying "this is scum theatre and looks like it", not "they're both scummy". but it seems we have different definitions.In post 1503, Eddie Cane wrote:because i don't have the will to deal with him regardless of his alignment\\tvt in the way una just used it as stupid, svs is a fancy way of saying they both look scummy and have no good reason not to be partners, tvt is a fancy way of saying fuck off dumbasses, tvx is a valid statement.
i asked because in Beneath the Mask you avoided a 1v1 because you thought the player could be town despite the scumread.
not sure how i feel about wanting to avoid Mulch. you're in a game with him, you made a very involved scumcase on him, you're involved. do you want him lynched or don't you?
not by choiceyou're in a game with him
yesdo you want him lynched or don't you?
i am not willing to put in the effort to do it,regardless of his alignmenthe's going to have a temper tantrum, bitch about always getting mislynched d1, spam some annoying shit, and microquote random shit i do and try to make it look bad. i do not have the desire to spend hours 1v1ing him. sorry. i'm waiting for boon's updated read and if its town i could be wrong. if its scum, then fun time /s.
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nope, should I? useless lurker who apparently was a paragon at some point but i wouldn't know that based on their play here. i would've scumread it but it seems all the people with spiffeh experience aren't scumreadin the lurking so shrugIn post 1512, Cheetory6 wrote:Eddie, do you have a read on Spiff atm?
where?In post 1511, Chara wrote:
it looked very involved.In post 1509, Eddie Cane wrote:and that wasn't a very involved scum case, it was me giving doggo a bone because doggo doesn't case and it was annoying me that ya'll were giving him such a hard time when mulch was being scummy as fuck. i wasn't even in the game, i've skimmed most of this thread, idk how that's involved :/
and i do remember Transcend casing Mulch this game.
yep, that's right. i was tunnelling them kind of because mastina had a previously 100% success rate as math himself told me, and they were scummy enough to me. i didnt turn it into a 1v1 and actively only replied to posts by them rather than make my own because i had ruined the game enough at that point.In post 1510, Chara wrote:
i don't remember, when i looked this up it was with a 1v1 keyword, and i'm unfortunately on my phone now. i would guess Rational Numbers but i can go find it properly later. you did specifically say you were avoiding a 1v1 with the slot (don't know which as i only ISOed you) because you thought they could be town.In post 1508, Eddie Cane wrote:what 1v1 did i avoid?-
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is it me?In post 1528, Cheetory6 wrote:Not pissed at you.
cause if not you're one of the people I actually want to engage with due to our success last time we were town-
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I weigh the reaction test as much as the mason shit - stupid and useless. sorry woofers. If you are going to call the reaction test scummy as opposed to silly though you should do that because I will definitely call you out on that just like I said the mason shit was stupid and not why mulch would be scum if he is.In post 1516, Chara wrote:In post 342, Transcend wrote:crazy... but i became hardtown when i wasn't voting you
hmmm i wonder if that's a genuine thought process from a player with a green role pm at all..
hmmmmIn post 343, Transcend wrote:so you're saying i'm confirmed mafia for voting you but you're not even voting me
like come the fuck on my lynch already has traction
why not hop back on (:
oh right it's because i'm not getting mislynhedIn post 357, Transcend wrote:alright, the test is complete.
tor's blatant town.
and me and mulch both townread him, but LO AND BEHOLD, he doesn't do lickety split when i vote toranaga and not him
he is calm cool and collected when i'm not voting him
when i vote him, he nearly implodes
VOTE: mulchIn post 358, Transcend wrote:im scummy when i vote mulch but not when i vote someone both of us townread !!!!!!!!!In post 361, Transcend wrote:did you not just see how completely different mulch's tone and approach was when i voted him vs. when i voted our mutual townread?
come on una work with me here!In post 389, Transcend wrote:i did a test to give you a chance to prove you're town
all you had to do was push on me when i voted someone that wasn't you
you didn't push on me once when i did
would have spoilered this but there's a spoiler.In post 410, Transcend wrote:i know lolcases and all that but seriously open your eyes
Mulch says this!In post 390, Mulch wrote:
I didn’t push on you when you voted me. I’m not pushing you todayIn post 389, Transcend wrote:i did a test to give you a chance to prove you're town
all you had to do was push on me when i voted someone that wasn't you
you didn't push on me once when i didSpoiler: but what actually happened was this!
Then he says this!
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Yes I didIn post 395, Transcend wrote:well you sure did push me a whole lot in the moment that i voted tora
ps: you didn't
Your stretching and manipulatingSpoiler: but what actually happened was this!
not saying town Transcend is incapable of casing, but he did do it here. also this was maybe pointless, but i did want to answer.
the reaction test in particular was silly. you know that Mulch hates being scumread yourself, but Transcend presents the difference in reaction with the Toranaga vote and the Mulch vote as though it means something. and i distinctly do not get the impression Transcend doesn't know Mulch.
mm I guess that counts as a small case? I cased mulch because I didn't consider that a case and wanted it done, but I didn't case scum mulch, as he pointed out I only quoted his scum games (the 3 I was actively reading) because I was showing the reasons I remember seeing for town mulch were dumb as shit. I asked toranaga to explain town mulch, did not get a satisfactory response. haven't really got a response from anyone, his time I haven't seen why I should think kagamis scum when he seems like one of the only people who isn't bass ackwords.-
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it was a fair response to this ^^In post 1523, Spiffeh wrote:Since it wasn't clear, #1502 was in response to this:
So everyone pls relaxIn post 1514, Eddie Cane wrote:nope, should I? useless lurker who apparently was a paragon at some point but i wouldn't know that based on their play here.
spiffeh, is my description "useless lurker" wrong in your opinion? also, do you think I should have a read on you? And the reason I'm bothering to post,
hey cabd. please hard claim. ty. isn't the only reason your wagon dissolved because you softed fn?
also I guess I should actually ask why we are calling him fn, I was just going with it because I subbed and wasn't reading in depth but I didn't actually see the soft-
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according to giga rc is like the nicest person outside of games and yet from his persona you'd think he was a cock gobbling marmalade drinking cylcops. people in games are often really different than outside. :p
hey una
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Fun fact: I'm MCM if you didn't know that. I was really pissed at that newbie who fucked up the very good reads bar L person that game. I caught transcend there tooIn post 1589, Kmd4390 wrote:Eddie, you asked me about Transcend meta.
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Transcend was town. Pretty much just spammed before replacing out. Switched votes quite a bit on Day 1 but didn't give much reasoning but he gives one liners that kind of give you an idea where he is coming from.
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Transcend was town. His Day 1 is mostly spam. Switched votes quite a bit Day 1 but didn't give much reasoning but he gives one liners that kind of give you an idea where he is coming from.
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Transcend was scum here. Now the spam is still here. But you'll notice he's locked in on two players: Gamma and Crush, both lynchbait type players. Also the one liner reasoning isn't present. It's more "X is scum, Y is town, oh wow Z is scummy, A is locktown".
Now ISO him here. Suddenly he's against spam and the post where he votes Mulch, a lynchbait type player, he simply states Mulch "is scum". Says he "would lynch" Chara. 164 and 166 where he is supposed to be giving reasoning, he just says "being scummy" and "very scummy". I asked Transcend earlier why he isn't obvtown to me yet. I think it's those one-liner reasons for reads that I always seem to understand where he's coming from on and even agree quite a bit, but something usually screams town about him early on and it just isn't there this game. He also locked on to Mulch for the majority of his time here in a way that just isn't present in his town games.
And no, these aren't my only games with Transcend. They are just the three most recent.
Reading what I've missed now.
Links fixed. -Ether
Those aren't the 3 most recent - what about the multiball large I subbed into? Because, Transcend there played to his scum meta a lot more than the town one IMO, and that's where I really noticed a difference. Notice how he went on a couple month hiatus? Before that, games like viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72576 happen where I deathtunnel Transcend (... and the other scum #subtlebrag) the entire game from like page 10 because to me he was easy to read. But, his play here isn't reallllly his scum meta, I would agree its closer to it than his town meta. You need to keep in mind though that along with the hiatus this is team mafia, people are going to try harder.-
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It also wasn't a case arguing why you were scum but why you weren't town.In post 1614, Mulch wrote:
Basically, eddie has a history with me. Basically an ego battle on who can read each other more. I'm pretty sure he's come into the game thinking he was going to catch mulch scum from the get go, and was being conf-biased. It's hard to see that when someone is aggresively pushing your mislych but whatever. The case was desparate, a village desparation more than a manipulative desparation, it had genuine frustration and I finally could see why he was scumreading me, I can see where he is coming from. Plus it just felt towny. My best reads are ones that are kinda hard for me to explain but basically it felt more like viillage eddie than wolf eddie. Especially because how bad he would have looked when I flipped.In post 1612, Kmd4390 wrote:
What about it felt town specifically?In post 1607, Mulch wrote:
Yeah it read as really towny to me. Bad but towny.In post 1604, Kmd4390 wrote:Mulch what case? The one that transcend quoted that caused the swap?
Is that a good explanation?
But, anyways, I did come into this game very biased towards scumreading you. In the 66%~ likelyhood your team got at least 1 scum pm, I see very little reason you wouldn't take it. You know you are going to get scumread regardless because of that because you know boon tora me etc have enough experience with you to know your winrates and personal opinions on scum and town. You know you get lynched significantly less as scum... but also that people would be thinking you're scum here anyways. Town mulch would have to defend against the EXACT same stuff scum mulch would, so I don't see the motivation you would possibly have for not taking the scum pm to play the alignment you perform better at.
I'm well aware this is not a popular path to go down for reads due to WIFOM but its particularly relevant in cases like Creature and Mulch where one alignment is so vastly significant to the other. Its also what earns Aristo a ton of town points - he hates scum as much as ThinkBig IIRC. This also obviously isn't a lock and key situation because hell 33% of the time they didn't get a scum pm in the first place, but its a bias I'm aware of and don't think should be shut off.-
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it isn't really "skimming" that i did, not the right word. i followed along with the game and other than the mulch-fire shit at the beginnign i read most of the posts and made random comments at transcend on discord. i just didn't follow too closely, only really in depth followed mine and alisae's (followed by this and invetion the shithole games - haven't touched mathblade's i can't stand opens). also, i don't need to show you eventually explciitly, you've seen me you know i obv town. i've been mislynched once unless i'm forgetting something in like the past 20 town games on this site, and i had both scum caught (hi rc and gerry xd) it was just a bad town (hi luv xd) (was also not my town game technically it was a hydra but shrug i did most of the posting cough cough mastina). you will not be lynching me itg.In post 1618, Chara wrote:i don't feel that Eddie's meta argument for why Mulch-town is really Mulch-null is all that genuine. not that it looks fake, but i haven't been able to parse it for alignment one way or the other.
Eddie: would appreciate you reading the full game if you're able. if not, doing some ISOing and some work would help me see town. i don't believe that's the case but if you're town i think you can show me eventually.-
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There was no way I was playing any game besides a normal either. I believe that part at least.In post 1623, Mulch wrote:
You realize that I knew this and my team knew this too? We didn't get any scum role pms, and I'm telling you there is no way in hell I would ever play an open game or Alisae's game anyway. I just woulden't. I am always taking a normal game over any other game. I'm pretty sure I would take the scum role PM if we got one in the normal games but we didn't, we just didn't. I don't know how to convince you. Everyone that knows me well is calling me town brother. Not much more I can say. I'm just not scumIn post 1620, Eddie Cane wrote:
It also wasn't a case arguing why you were scum but why you weren't town.In post 1614, Mulch wrote:
Basically, eddie has a history with me. Basically an ego battle on who can read each other more. I'm pretty sure he's come into the game thinking he was going to catch mulch scum from the get go, and was being conf-biased. It's hard to see that when someone is aggresively pushing your mislych but whatever. The case was desparate, a village desparation more than a manipulative desparation, it had genuine frustration and I finally could see why he was scumreading me, I can see where he is coming from. Plus it just felt towny. My best reads are ones that are kinda hard for me to explain but basically it felt more like viillage eddie than wolf eddie. Especially because how bad he would have looked when I flipped.In post 1612, Kmd4390 wrote:
What about it felt town specifically?In post 1607, Mulch wrote:
Yeah it read as really towny to me. Bad but towny.In post 1604, Kmd4390 wrote:Mulch what case? The one that transcend quoted that caused the swap?
Is that a good explanation?
But, anyways, I did come into this game very biased towards scumreading you. In the 66%~ likelyhood your team got at least 1 scum pm, I see very little reason you wouldn't take it. You know you are going to get scumread regardless because of that because you know boon tora me etc have enough experience with you to know your winrates and personal opinions on scum and town. You know you get lynched significantly less as scum... but also that people would be thinking you're scum here anyways. Town mulch would have to defend against the EXACT same stuff scum mulch would, so I don't see the motivation you would possibly have for not taking the scum pm to play the alignment you perform better at.
I'm well aware this is not a popular path to go down for reads due to WIFOM but its particularly relevant in cases like Creature and Mulch where one alignment is so vastly significant to the other. Its also what earns Aristo a ton of town points - he hates scum as much as ThinkBig IIRC. This also obviously isn't a lock and key situation because hell 33% of the time they didn't get a scum pm in the first place, but its a bias I'm aware of and don't think should be shut off.
If you read me by my play maybe null maybe town? read me by other who know me I should be town by now.
On play alone, I would say you are a scum lean, but a full read. If boon gets to this point in the game and still townreads you, I'm going to reevaluate fully without the bias of picking pms and see where that gets me.-
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I have no word better than gut, sorry. My case was because I have nothing over gut, and I think I've said this like 4 times but I wanted to show people that their reasons for townreading you were bad because you do those things actively as scum too - they should have you at null if anything. Again, it hinges on boon, we use the exact same tells (read the apartment scum pt if you really want to see us talking about it a lot of the convo took place there) though he has more experience with you. If he townreads you, I'll accept I'm at least decently probably wrong and reread fully.
Do we need to keep rehashing this convo or can I move onto reads
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pretty sure i actually skimmed that game a little bit i usually skim normals and themesIn post 1627, Mulch wrote:
If you want to see a fun game check Twoninamillion's normal. I was about to be mislynched day 1, boon saved me, I ended up catching 2/3 scum in which one was LUVIn post 1626, Eddie Cane wrote:(hi luv xd)-
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he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre townIn post 1610, Mulch wrote:
Eddie can you just ask transcend this pleaseIn post 1605, Mulch wrote:but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/
paraphrasing direct questions is annoying-
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Transcend didn't ask me to write anything. I tagged him, said here's a favour because they're giving you shit for not writing cases and stuff when that's not you, especially since I agreed with his push. It still wasn't a "really good case", I don't think any single person has referred to the case positively actually.In post 1638, Kmd4390 wrote:Mulch, I dunno. It's entirely possible that transcend said hey Eddie can you write up a really good case on mulch for me and that's what he came up with. If you said it came across as genuine that's one thing. But you're going with this whole ego battle thing that basically implies he didn't even believe in the case which doesn't really sound all that town to me.
Eddie, man you were obvtown as mutton lol. But wasn't Boon's other game that I linked the large you're talking about?
Was it? I didn't click the links, I went by the descriptions. It would be dumb for me to try and argue why your meta on transcend is wrong and he was town when I'm biased by seeing our green pm. I just wanted to reply to the points you made and see if you had actual transcend meta (though I've been in 2 larges with both of you). Is it the link you're talking about? The descriptions didn't match my perception.-
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Do you think I should reasonably be confident that those are genuine emotions? Faking emotions is something I've done many times as scum (and town actually), you've done many times as scum, many others. Since you pride yourself on being able to replicate your town meta as scum almost flawlessly, how am I supposed to know your emotions aren't fake? In beneath the mask you faked a blowup and emotions.In post 1640, Mulch wrote:In post 1639, Eddie Cane wrote:
he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre townIn post 1610, Mulch wrote:
Eddie can you just ask transcend this pleaseIn post 1605, Mulch wrote:but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/
paraphrasing direct questions is annoying
Also just personally it really feels like shit to have your emotions called fake btw-
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he says youre townIn post 1656, Firebringer wrote:
I think he has a good track record but I have no idea what his method of reading me is.In post 1654, Eddie Cane wrote:gonna do reads a bit later discussing a replacement for trans
but anyways
hey fire can trans read u? y/n
which is why i have you as town
i wish we could still communicate but now that thats not viable late game r i p-
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you're unreadable for most unless they know youIn post 1660, Firebringer wrote:
Why can’t u read me urselfIn post 1659, Eddie Cane wrote:
he says youre townIn post 1656, Firebringer wrote:
I think he has a good track record but I have no idea what his method of reading me is.In post 1654, Eddie Cane wrote:gonna do reads a bit later discussing a replacement for trans
but anyways
hey fire can trans read u? y/n
which is why i have you as town
i wish we could still communicate but now that thats not viable late game r i p-
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aGreeIn post 1736, Spiffeh wrote:I would say it's not probable actually
It's possible I guess but I don't think Firebringer would care enough about winning to do that and I feel like he's probably just uncomfortable with providing that level of content as scum in general-
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btw I have work in a bit and then going to a party so I'll probs not post much today. hoping by tomorrow cabd has posted, boon has caught up, ari has caught up, tora has caught up.
cheet, we are going to go through the playerlist tomorrow if you have time.
I'm trusting transcend on town fire, especially since my read is a town lean and it fits. for d1, I'm not touching thst slot unless I get a really good argument and all I've seen about fire is "shitposting" and "useless".
Gingie, Thor is now in night. Any chance he would read this game? I think he could sort mulch and una at least somewhat, but more importantly I townread your slot and value his reads.
Spiffy, explain your thought process of not wanting mulch if cabd is town or whatever you said. Doesn't connect with me. Also, your pushes were fine, it's alright they didn't pan out. it's better you do bad pushes and cancel them than just do nothing.
this game I have a fuck ton of townreads, haven't formally gone through the game and sorted yet I should have time to do that tomorrow. that said, I am guessing I'll be able to give an actual lynchpool too because I'm being a useless shitsack and not voting rn.-
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based on this I conclude it isn't just me having issues with sucmreads. 7 people not voting and the only wagon greater than 1 probably claiming fn. the fuck.In post 1750, Ether wrote:Day 1, Votecount 49
2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Mulch)You play sixteen weeks, what do you get
Another bombardment of pain and regret
Don't spam me for the sequel, 'cause I won't go
I owe my loss to this terrible role
-[]Sixteen Tons,Johnny Cash
1 Cabd (Toranaga)
1 Chara (implosion)
1 Eddie Cane (Kmd4390)
1 Kagami (Firebringer)
1 Mulch (Kagami)
7 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Chara, Cheetory6, Eddie Cane, Ginngie, Spiffeh, UnaBombaH)
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.
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its page 71, a week into the game. is that not an issue to you?In post 1753, Cheetory6 wrote:I do indeed have time for tomorrow.
pls be careful.In post 1751, Eddie Cane wrote:Thor is now in night
Err on side of caution with referencing other games yo.
P-edit: I mean, nobody's really pushing a case on anyone with any degree of confidence at this point.-
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what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway commentIn post 1756, Cheetory6 wrote:Not saying it isn't an issue, I just don't have any really good scumreads that I feel like I could convincingly lead a push on right now.
Cabd is probably my best guess for scum at this point.
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If someone I was townreading was dropping a case that I could get behind and acting confident about it, I would probably be sheeping it right now.-
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Fair enough. I was under the impression that Cabd is a very solid player and is capable of a lot more than... the garbage that his iso this game as scum as well? That implies he's legitimately busy with other things regardless of his alignment, though I do think there's nothing that makes me townread him in his iso and we are all having scum finding issues so I guess that's implicative. I would argue that his play has been trash even if he is FN though. I still need a hard claim from him, if he is committing to FN we will know soon enough (good luck claiming roleblocked buddy) and if not I am fine having him in the scum lean pile.In post 1769, Cheetory6 wrote:
Wasn't really necessarily a case but:In post 1760, Eddie Cane wrote:what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway comment
My perception to his entrance is as above and he never really got to a better place in terms of general engagement with the game.In post 477, Cheetory6 wrote:
Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.Cabd wrote:Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.
Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?
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I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.
I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.
You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')
If I were to try to tldr:
it's mostly that all of his scumhunting (of which there was very little) seemed particularly flat, his choice of things to focus on seemed weird to me and the softclaim was kind of terrible for at least a few reasons most of which I don't really want to dig into right now.-
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I have a bit of time, so here's /roughly/ where I'm at. This is without consulting with my team (we are still busy looking for a sub) and written in about 15 minutes. That means no isos and its done 95% from memory, so tomorrow when we do this in depth it may change a decent amount.
{Cheet, Ginngie, Cabd} - lol I had issues coming up with who to put with cheet as a strong town read, that's sad. Cheet is just gamesolvey kind of obv town, fits their meta to pick town, is playing similar to our last game, iirc my mateys had them as town, really nothing to make us scumread them at all. Ginngie is hard town for me on tone and play, good thoughts, match up a lot with me in a lot of instances. Less tangible read but almost as strong. Also, apparently they wouldn't pick scum and this is their town meta, which is nice. And, of course, lolfriendlyneighbour.
at this point I am now realizing how weak most of my town reads are and how everyone is just barely a town lean. interesting.
{Spiffy, Toranaga, ...
Okay, making a reads list isn't actually working. Cheet, Ginngie, Cabd are town. Mulch schum or if you're generous null. Una is probably around there too, their paranoia is bad because they have a team now.
Chara, Toranaga, KMD, Kagami, Patrick, Implosijon, Ari, Fire, Spiffeh... you are all varying degrees of slight town leans. Fuck me. I guess I'll take Spiffeh and Tora out because the former is starting to be productive and the latter Transcend said is never scum here. That leaves Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una as a scum pool. Fuck me up. I mean, the game could be solved if Cabd faked his FN claim, Boon let Una pick scum and didn't coach him better, and Mulch decided to fake some weird shit with cabd while pocketing tor..... lol. Otherwise, I hate this game. Guess this post is gonna take me a bit longer than 15 minutes because I'm well aware how scummy it is to be this indecisive and have this many town leans.... so l ets break 'em down. Again,this is from memory. I did not leave this post preview while typing this. sorry if anything is wrong.
Chara: wouldn't have likely picked scum. Fine. I actually town read the post about obv towning too. Also fine. Gerry, Maria, and Dunn are all people who could have potentially picked scum, they all prefer it IIRC and are all at least capable of it (wrt their capability as town). They haven't done... much of anything though, the single thing I can remember them doing is pushing a mislynch (my slot). Maybe an ISO will improve this, but this is a very soft lean.
KMD: Very capable as scum. Had me pocketed in that large, caught him in the second one. Also capable as town though, and as scum I recall him only really doing occasional wallposting whereas here he's interacting a bit more which I guess is a point in his favour? Probably closer to the null or scum pile if I'm honest, but I don't remember them doing anything pingy either.
Kagami: Came in to the game, defended Trans, pushed Mulch. Exactly what I thought any logical person should be doing at the time so I lock towned him off the bat. People are arguing he's scum if Mulch is town, which I think is a slightly fairer argument, but he hasn't pinged me at all. Still gonna town lean this.
Patrick: Can be a town lean. All of their posts are logical, none are scummy, just not enough of them and nothing I see unfakeable as scum either. I was going to have this as a town read until I saw just how little they've posted and based on their team even though I've never heard of him I would guess he's a very strong player which makes me question why he's so sparce in the thread - #geriatricclub I guess.
Implosion: Town lean. Disagree with the obv town comment. Nothing more to say.
Ari: I really, really don't think there's ever a world they pick scum. Like thinkbig, they despise the alignment and are awful at it. Also, I think every one of their teammates is fine with scum, so no reason to pick it (lol5scumpms). Their play this game has me questioning that though at least a little bit - low content, excusey, too nice are all traits of scum!ari. Their alignment will become obvious, so for now I'm not interested in lynching this. Let's see the catchup.
Fire: Useless, definitely not a lurker Kappa. Transcend townread them hard and I have no reason to disagree, but there is a good player beneath that lack of shit giving and this is 100000% within their scum range so i got my eye on u firedoggo. This or Mulch is where I am copping tonight if I am a cop.
And, of course, Mulch/una. I would probably scumread the above post because I barely took any stances, but like, this game is hard lol........... I'll do real iso reads and hopefully one of my teammates will actually give enough of a shit to read this game tomorrow. Cheet and I get to have fun reads list party time!-
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my team played by that metric, i have no issues at all with you pushing chara if you want to.In post 1789, implosion wrote:The thing about the "Chara wouldn't have picked scum" argument in general is that it's kind of wrong?
Sure, Chara is self-admittedly bad at scum. But it also self-admittedly enjoys scum. And so if their team cared more about having fun than strictly having the highest probability of winning team mafia then etc.
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