Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six
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LQ: I have questioned you quite a bit on those points and I have received many reples. They don't satisfy as a response. I'm not interested in following up anymore. I want you to explain your missing Lycanfire read. Saying "I'm going to see what happens" doesn't mean it's the truth and along with your silence on my push at that time, it shows a lot. The time I try to re-evaluate you use that to work against me. I did look through your ISO, actually. I looked for Postie and Lycanfire. Didn't find any sign of town reading Postie, but a null. (Now, if you had reasoning that would imply townie actions of Postie, I could reconsider) So here's the big question: From your 315 and your implied town read you state is a tr, why did that change to null in your #999? (Originally #599)-
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Why don't you explicitly say that you town read Postie instead of saying 'not scum'? Usually, scum fake reads, to fit in with the town. Your actions line up with this. I don't deny that mistakes can come from town, but they can also come from scum. I am very detail oriented, I look at all the small things, I ask about everything. I weigh everything, and ask myself the town motivation and scum motivation. LQ Scum motivation: Avoid town screen wagon to keep hands clean, drop reads without much reasoning to hide actual reasoning for dropping it, discredit town read players when given the chance (like your push on myself, then Davsto). LQ Town motivation: Do weird stuff because that's what you always do and you are too stubborn to change it. This is why I am asking others that have played with both of your alignments to comment to help my read. At the moment I don't trust your answers anymore. Also, I don't use Occam's Razor. Anyway, it doesn't seem like to me, that you are trying to be accurate with who is scum. You are just floating around, reacting. That's it. Then when I expect a response, you are frozen in time, especially when your reads on Shea and Lycan were weak. You had no intentions of strengthening those reads. To me, this means #267 was all for show. So the question is, do you care about getting your reads right, and if so, how are you doing that? Also, I want your full reads list. I asked for it, you never gave one.-
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I honestly cannot find a good reason for your motivation as town, because you do the opposite thing and there is inconsistency. (For example, you FOS Lycan and Shea, but you drop those and have weak reasons for them the next day, and you do nothing to strengthen them when you have the opportunity to) So you do see me see an inconsistency and expect me to believe you dropped it easily due to Occamz Razor, and then you go back and look at Lycan's ISO and say it's bleeding town. You didn't answer my question. Do you care about getting your reads right, and if so, how are you doing that? Tell me what pro-town things you have done and tell me how it has helped town. Tell me the possible town motivation is that I do not see. My reasoning for you staying off is because scum don't want to be on a wagon and get flack for it. (This is something you notice as you play as scum, you don't actually want to get your hands dirty, that was what I meant) I'm obviously town and trying to find actual scum. That is why I have not been wagoned. Davsto, probably because they feel he is town and have no reason to scum read him, but not as townie as me. I didn't look deeply into that, as I'm not as interested in that. The incentive to give a reads list is that it shows you are transparent and honest about the information you give to town. Why don't you want to give a reads list?-
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Lycanfire: Meta. Gamma as scum doesn't really have interest in posting, from what I have seen. Gamma here has been saying sensible things and putting in work. His paranoia of me earlier Day 2 was also townie, not something I'd expect from scum him. Earlier you said that my conclusion on Shea was wrong (SvS) so I want to know, how did that conclusion affect your read on Shea and why?-
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NSG's vote [#584] on Tchill was weak, and she lurked through the rest of the day. She admitted to putting the game on the back burner but she didn't really give a reason. She had no reason to put it on the back burner, no pressure. Then in her #1583 she states she is holding her vote since she realizes she didn't think too deeply on her T-chill vote. Which shows she has guilt about her vote, which seems suspicious to me. I think she is scum because she has no pro-town motivation to lurk.
Vote: Northsidegal
[Eddie > Marquis > NSG > AD | Dunn | Davsto > LQ > Lycan > CES > Shea > Postie > Gamma > Ranmaru]-
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RC: I pushed LQ because he was my top scumread at the time. I'm asking for input from players that have promised content [Marquis] or have been prodded [Action Dan]. We have one person not voting, they need to vote before the day ends [NSG]. Please tell me how waiting for them is bad. Also go into your Gamma read please.-
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Shea: AD I had there for giving out a few town leans without really doing as much over time went on. I have Dunn as null, though. Dunn's been voting though, NSG has been holding her vote and has been posting around in other games and leaving this game in the back burner. I feel like since she saw people give her lock town reads she didn't feel the need to continue posting or trying as much. I am interested in why you scumread Dunn.-
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Shea: I just don't see any scum intent from Dunnstrals posts. I wouldn't bat an eye at his lynch as much as my town reads. Earlier on I had AD as 'I need more from him' and he hasn't really given me much more then just his initial impressions of the Eddie / LQ wagons. It just feels like AD is trying to be under the radar. Yet Dunn is present, just not doing anything while present.-
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My concern is mostly the drop off. It's fine if she didn't think of it at first, but I would hope she'd at least give scum reads in place of her holding her vote. I still want her response. How are you reading NSG right now?In post 1915, Thestatusquo wrote:fwiw I don't think your logic in 1821 follows at all.
if anything the fact that they think they made the wrong decision on tchill because they didn't think enough implies towniness.-
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So did your team change it's read on me?In post 1944, northsidegal wrote:still confident in ranmaru being town, that read started from sauce and ranmaru has done a very good job of being an active voice and actually questioning people and getting people's thoughts out there, this is pretty much a unanimous townread from my team-
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In post 1581, northsidegal wrote:i'm pretty sure that my team and postie's team are on the same wavelength when it comes to ran's slot. ran, what's a50 interested in specifically? because i'd be willing to hear it out.
more specific responses incoming.-
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Can you go more into this? I've felt this way before but only as scum. Has this been a recurring problem in mafia for you? What is your read on Postie, Gamma, and Davsto?In post 1947, northsidegal wrote:as for why i've been gone i don't really have an answer, every time i go to start a post i either don't or i start something and then delete it for being too bad-
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I have no other questions besides this: Can you explain the misunderstanding? I don't remember you saying anything about a misunderstanding. Go more into this.In post 1956, northsidegal wrote:my team always had you as town, if you're referring to that one "wavelength" thing i said then that was a misunderstanding that got cleared up pretty quickly.-
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Can you quote where you got that feeling?In post 2004, northsidegal wrote:not entirely sure, but i don't think he actually believed in the eddie wagon in the first place.-
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