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No?
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We can make content. What hidden role game experience do you have?
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That's fair, are they similar to this forum?In post 23, fwogcarf wrote:Ive played in 22 games across two forums
I have won four
i dont consider myself a bad player i just get incredibly unlucky
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I'm a little confused, how does not participating in RVS get us 'to the point' faster? Or am I misunderstanding your point here? Are you afraid that some new player will drop the hammer accidentally on an RVS wagon?In post 25, fwogcarf wrote:Spoiler:
One's formatted like this one (town of salem forums) and one's formatted completly different (mafia universe)
rvs is fun but i havent done it in a 9er because i assume that most noobs will want to get straight to the point instead of joking around to try and earn towncred early
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Because what they say and what they do feels inconsistent. I'm not following how on one what they want to goof off and joke around, but on the other hand feel other players will want to be serious and use that as a reason to not RVS.In post 30, Micc wrote:
what's the purpose of this vote?In post 27, Tuxedo Mask wrote:VOTE: fwogcarf-
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Reading back I don't think I actually answered your question. To try again, the purpose of my vote was to see how they would react. Since they were having an active conversation with me, I knew they would at least respond. Of course, they ignored the vote. As for why I answered in my previous attempt at explaining.-
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Spoiler: Questions for me
So firstly here, as I said I don't get how not voting (even randomly) gets use to a serious game faster. @JacksonVirgo's recent posts seem to imply I'm misreading based on different site metas, is that correct. Also if he's town, are you going to change your vote?In post 27, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
I'm a little confused, how does not participating in RVS get us 'to the point' faster? Or am I misunderstanding your point here? Are you afraid that some new player will drop the hammer accidentally on an RVS wagon?In post 25, fwogcarf wrote:Spoiler:
One's formatted like this one (town of salem forums) and one's formatted completly different (mafia universe)
rvs is fun but i havent done it in a 9er because i assume that most noobs will want to get straight to the point instead of joking around to try and earn towncred early
VOTE: fwogcarf
And here he says we can keep doing RVS but doesn't pick a target. It seems to be the worst sort of outcome, where his isn't joking to push the game forward and isn't doing anything serious to push the game over into serious mode. Again if this is a site to site difference thing that I'm misunderstanding, sorry that I'm dumb.In post 28, fwogcarf wrote:
in my experience playing mafia more often than not people playing in their first game will usually not joke around at the beginning. It doesn't matter what alignment they are, but they want to get their juices flowing early.In post 27, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
I'm a little confused, how does not participating in RVS get us 'to the point' faster? Or am I misunderstanding your point here? Are you afraid that some new player will drop the hammer accidentally on an RVS wagon?In post 25, fwogcarf wrote:Spoiler:
One's formatted like this one (town of salem forums) and one's formatted completly different (mafia universe)
rvs is fun but i havent done it in a 9er because i assume that most noobs will want to get straight to the point instead of joking around to try and earn towncred early
VOTE: fwogcarf
I have never seen a noob hammer an rvs vote before lol
we can still do rvs for the funzies
As for him ignoring the vote, it reads neutral to me. Comes off consistent with his goofy playstyle. I'd like to be clear, I'm not voting him because he makes jokes. I understand everyone plays this game differently and has their own way of playing their role. My problem is their talk of RVS versus Serious gameplay, and not participating in either. Especially when they say they like RVS. To me, that reads disingenuous.
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Okay, let's try again.In post 66, Micc wrote:VOTE: Tuxedo mask
I think his vote was pretty bad and the follow up attempts at explaining it aren't great. Of all the things to pick out from fwogcarf so far, I don't see how inconsistency can be the issue to focus on. fwogcarf was pretty clear the whole way that he was spend his time cracking jokes even if he suspected there'd be people on the playerlist who weren't up for that.
I also don't think Tuxedo's framing of his vote as a reaction test quite fits when the read he got off fwogcarf's reaction is neutral. I'd say players in general ignore RVS votes they get more often than giving any kind of reaction, so if Tuxedo's reaction test wasn't prepared for that, its not a very useful reaction test. And also since he's still got the vote there, was it really a reaction test at all?
fwogcarf has a goofy play style, that's fine. I read that as going no specific way or the other. Him ignoring my vote is consistent with that play style, IMO. So to me, it's neutral. I was hoping the conversation would evolve, as they say in #20 they're going to shit post till there is content. When I prod him for an RVS vote or two explain why he doesn't have one, he gives me the run-around. Saying he's all for it and not giving one, that to me reads inconsistent.
Though maybe I didn't put enough thought into getting ignored. I mean he's once again saying he'll wait for content but doesn't even acknowledge my vote onto him. That's a bit scummy.
As for my vote still being there, I can vote someone I think is acting scummy (even when no one else has acted) while simultaneously hope the vote sparks a reaction. My vote remaining there is because I'm happy with it, and have nowhere else to move it.
In a final attempt at making my POV absolutely clear, he has a jokey playstyle, so jokes to me are neutral. Outside of his playstyle, he mentions waiting for the game to get serious and have content while avoiding making content himself. And again, that's not the jokes, having a meme playstyle is just that a playstyle, but there is a disconnect between what they say and what they do.-
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I can't read that as anything other than disingenuous. I cast an RVS vote (sorry Micc), then said to you we should start making content and began asking questions. I didn't like your answers, voted you, and continued asking questions. I don't see how you can mistake it for RVS.
But I don't wanna tunnel on you, so if other people can start posting that'd be great. I'm very bored in quarantine.
Aren't wagons considered more effective to move out of RVS?In post 48, bv310 wrote:Man, I haven't played Mafia on here in years. It's nice to see some things don't change.
VOTE: Petrichorus
Gotta spread the Day 1 love around.
Like this.In post 47, Gypyx wrote:Anyways for the tuxedo / fwogcarf interaction :
First of all, i really don't think it's two scums distanciating each other, because it looks like the don't want to do the same thing with the conversation, fwog just wants to talk about what tuxedo has asked him to talk about while tuxedo is trying to push the game in serious mode
And yeah, fwog is kind of contradictory with his apparent will of "getting into serious stage" but at the same time not doing much and kinda shitposting about what videos he's listening to
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I'm liking Gyp so far. Does this feeling of fake contributing hold over to their other posts? And would you give this the same read?In post 80, 72offsuit wrote:In post 78, Gypyx wrote:In post 76, fwogcarf wrote:
town: fwogcarf, petrichorus, miccIn post 74, Gypyx wrote:Hi there, doing good, what are your current reads on the game?
null: everyone else
So, fwog / petri / micc are on the same level on townreads for you?
And personally, i don't really like micc's attitude in his post (i'm feeling like he isn't trying to gamesolve but rather cast some suspicion easily on peoples) but i'm waiting to see more content from him
This post is rubbing me the wrong way.
It reads to me like an awkward post from scum who don't know what to post, but feel like they need to post something that appears to be like contributing.
I don;t think its genuine to expect a layered townleans/reads order by page 3.
Non-RVS vote based on gut:
VOTE: Gyp
In post 79, fwogcarf wrote:Yeah, I just like Petri's and Micc's posts right now tonally.
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First I'd like to clarify that a wagon does not equal a lynch. I am not advocating we quick lynch someone at random to end day 1. That would be bad.In post 82, Petrichorus wrote:Thank you for the delightful praise. Looking at the balancing in this game, I'm wary of bringing down the hammer on Day 1. Wagoning to threaten a hammer and then glean information seems to be in the Scum's favour as the best that town will get is that a scum calls basic townie as it is statistically hard to disprove. The best outcome for scum is that a role gets called and is then a target, especially being as it is not in town's interest for their powered folk to either lie or call.
That said, it's my first game here and I'd love a run down of why you think that Wagoning is a good option day 1 here. I agree that it would draw the day to a close faster, which seems to be the point. My interpretation of your reaction was that you think others would like to expedite the first day, and that their actions to spread the vote around is counter intuitive to that end, but it does raise my suspicions that you seem to be pushing for wagoning.
For the rest of RVS into Wagon stuff, I think one of the SEs could better explain. From my minor experience and reading other games on this site, RVS going into a wagon helps spark pressure and discussion early. We can see how the targeted player or players respond to being focused and at a high vote count, we can see what players push the wagon and what players avoid it. It's not much to go on, but it's something. And could provide useful information on a reread in future days once some people have flipped.
Currently, we have a bit of stagnation, which has more to do with activity than anything but would probably help if votes weren't so spread around randomly. Especially since a few players have signaled reads without moving their votes.-
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Let's talk about this. What makes Fwog listing himself as town so suspicious, especially if you admit everyone will say they're town? If it's suspicious for 72 to defend him, why is it not suspicious for Micc? If it is 72 that is being suspicious why is your vote on Fwogcarf?In post 92, Petrichorus wrote:To pick up on something Gyp addresses above, Fwog listing himself as town is suspicious and being defended by 72 is also suspicious. so VOTE: Fwogcarf
Fwog, I haven't played with you before, and it wouldn't be so odd if 72 hadn't come to def. I mean, everyone will outwardly say they're town, but you were asked for your read on other players and read yourself. That said, I'm glad you've done some soul-searching and introspection.-
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Oops, forgot.
VOTE: Petrichorus
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I like asking questions, they help flesh out the other players in my mind. I think I've been doing that. Is there something I've missed, or have I completely missed your point. To be honest I feel I am trying game solve be interacting with people and attempting to establish groundwork.-
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Okay, if it's off-putting I can try to slow down. I don't much like talking about myself and my actions in these games if not directly asked because I think that info is generally not helpful. But in this case, I will say, I generally get pretty easily obsessive, and being stuck in quarantine has only made this worse. So even while doing other things I have the ability to check this game anytime all day, leading to a mentality where I'm trying to squeeze blood from a stone.In post 107, fwogcarf wrote:
What I'm trying to get at here as that you seem very on-edge. Asking questions is fine, it's a good way to help solve a game or get a conversation going. But with the rate you're going at with these along with overexplaining a decent amount of posts, it equals up to something that I don't see as townie.In post 103, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Oops, forgot.
VOTE: Petrichorus
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I like asking questions, they help flesh out the other players in my mind. I think I've been doing that. Is there something I've missed, or have I completely missed your point. To be honest I feel I am trying game solve be interacting with people and attempting to establish groundwork.
Using multiple posts to try and move attention to one post is also not a great way to go about at things.
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Spoiler: Evidence On Petrichorus
@Petrichorus how much experince do you have with forum mafia?
All in all, Petrichorus seems to be following whatever wagons look the easiest, and generally tries to slip by unnoticed. When their actions are called out they immediately backtrack, and look for a new angle. They also have a habit of being extremely nice and friendly (yay for non-toxic games) it's not really alignment idictive but it always tends to make me wary, especially combined with a player who seems preoccupied with how other players view them.
Aside from Petrichorus, on the 72 defends Fwog stuff. It all seems really reliant on associative reads. And being six pages into day one, I don't like that.-
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Spoiler: To answer 72s questions
These posts seem genuine, and relaxed, with a goal of learning and bridging gaps. I think a scum player had some good opportunities to jump in with me, Fwog, of Micc during all of this. Instead, they took a more nuanced and measured approach and tried to learn more about the situation. It seems very town to me. Why is NAI?-
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Kowtow means to be subservient, bending to whims of others. I just found out it comes from Mandarin Chinese and is deep head to the ground bow, to show the utmost respect.
Also, this may be a nitpick but he doesn't say he doesn't want to kowtow, but that he doesn't want to appear to be kowtowing. Which seems interesting.-
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Spoiler: 1
This sounds right, they're holding themselves well.
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In this context does 'in spades' not mean you got what you wanted, an 'immediate success'? If not, what do you mean by that? What would a strong reaction to listing yourself as town be? Would you expect scum Fwog to change his stance on self-voting if questioned? Did you think a vote really helped explain things, if it's just a site to site/player to player difference, would just asking not accomplish the same task?
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So is it suspicious or not? There is a world of difference between something being null and being even the slightest most minorly suspicious.
Furthermore, there is a world of difference between defending a suspcious action, and a non-suspicious action. Do you agree?
Spoiler: Last Thing
By your own reasons for voting Fwog and now 72, does it not look like you're doing the same? Defending the actions of Gyp by voting the people disagreeing with him?-
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Can you elaborate on what doesn't work on the Petrichorus case for you?In post 259, Micc wrote:nothing wrong with sheeping a slam duck case imo. we could do with more votes on bv310.
That, or the people who want to wagon Petrichorus need to get together and make a real wagon. They should probably state a more concise case too, because I'm really not following what they're seeing at this point.
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@Fwog could elaborate on these reads a bit more? I appreciate the insight into your thoughts, but I'm having trouble following them.
BV/Luciano/(Gypyx/Micc) are the names in brackets less scummy than the other two? Or are they the two teams you're thinking of?
Your mentions of Gypx is one post you like and then saying they'll bend easily to pressure. 78 seems fine to me, they can disagree with your reads but still ask you to define them. What places them in your lynch pool?
What about Micc, I don't see them mentioned at all, why lynch them?
Besides pocketing me has Lucaino done anything else you find scummy?
You seem to scum read Petri, is tere any reason they aren't in your scum pool?
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As for game stuff, let's go.
@Lucky, for you saying you like to pressure newbies day 1 because they're more likely to crack. I asked for Petri's experience, so they may be new to forum mafia their experience with the game IRL is extensive. Meaning they have their fair share of experience with pressure. I think it's worth taking into consideration.
As for pocketing, I'm null on it. My questions were more "I see you accuse Lucky of pocketing me, is there anything else about them you find scummy?" Not "I agree Lucky is pocketing me, what else makes them scum?"
For town leans, I'm going to reread today, but off the top of my head you, Micc, and Fwog.
@Petri could respond to the rest 255, please?
@Micc
It is good to think about, I'll be rereading everything today and keep this in mind as I go. I thought I had more to respond to for you, but rereading your points now I don't think I do. On my reread I think I'll be putting Petri on hold unless I think I find something particularly convincing for both you and Lucky. Instead, I'll be looking for the second one, and trying to strengthen my town reads.In post 268, Micc wrote: My challenge for you would be to expand on how pushing easy wagons or backtracking on pushes is forwarding his scum win condition and not his town win condition.
@Micc & Lucky, did the game state not feel weird after Petri hit L-1? Maybe it's just all the prodds and replacements, but it kind of feels like we had a catch and his buddy didn't know what to do.-
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The first one.In post 317, Petrichorus wrote:In addition, the oxford comma is throwing me, are you asking whether there is a difference beween defending a [suspicious action] and a [non-suspicious action] or a difference between [defending a suspicious action] and a [non-suspicious action]
Either way, the answer is yes I agree there is a difference
What is the difference between defending a suspicious action and defending a non-suspicious action?
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Thank you, but I'll rephase.
I am talking not about defending yourself but defending another player.
So we're talking about this specifically.
For this, you went after 72 and Fwog, because you felt the self-read was scummy, and defending it was also bad.In post 80, 72offsuit wrote:In post 78, Gypyx wrote:In post 76, fwogcarf wrote:
town: fwogcarf, petrichorus, miccIn post 74, Gypyx wrote:Hi there, doing good, what are your current reads on the game?
null: everyone else
So, fwog / petri / micc are on the same level on townreads for you?
And personally, i don't really like micc's attitude in his post (i'm feeling like he isn't trying to gamesolve but rather cast some suspicion easily on peoples) but i'm waiting to see more content from him
This post is rubbing me the wrong way.
It reads to me like an awkward post from scum who don't know what to post, but feel like they need to post something that appears to be like contributing.
I don;t think its genuine to expect a layered townleans/reads order by page 3.
Non-RVS vote based on gut:
VOTE: Gyp
So if you no longer find the self read scummy, then defending it should also be null?
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Has a statement like this ever come from town?In post 356, bv310 wrote:Since y'all seem settled on me for the day's lynch, I'd encourage those of you on the wagon to spend a few minutes looking at the other people involved and asking what your read is going to be when I flip Town.
We got three days, and no one has even announced intent to hammer.
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What does this mean? Shouldn't you be making your own opportunities? Why wait so late, and after your plan fell apart for this?In post 344, fwogcarf wrote:
Yeah that seems right.In post 334, LuckyLuciano wrote:I might be misunderstanding then. When you said "at this point", is "this point" 271.
Either way, help me understand how that being your planat any pointis a good strategy. I'm not seeing why you didn't hard push me if you were confident that I am scum. I'm also concerned with how you seem unaware at how badly you are looking to confbias a read when your plan is to build a case against somebody else with the intent of using their flip, no matter what it is, to push me in the following day phase.
I haven't pushed you yet because I never got the opportunity to
VOTE: LuckyLuciano
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Micc: Like their solviness, and theory conversations, all feels like a genuine place of wanting to build a strong town discussion. I noted posts 66, 93, and 108 being ones that I specifically liked.
Fwog: I don't know how to feel about at all, I don't follow their plans or votes at all but that's NAI. It also has moments where it seems like they aren't reading closely, not realizing how little BV had posted, thinking I was accusing someone of chainsawing when I was just explaining it. Again don't know what it means, probably just used to faster games, so he's reacting on a post by post basis. But it seems more likely for scum to just skim. I think #216, #172, and #95 look good. #69 (nice) is a good highlight of this not really paying attention pattern.
72: Vanishes than comes in with big spurts of content and questions. #80 feels awkward, them stating it's not an RVS specfically. I like their big burst in the #150s posts.In post 343, fwogcarf wrote:
why would anybody chainsaw defend in this setupIn post 310, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Chainsaw means to defend your scummy buddy by pushing their attacker. Fully called Chainsaw Defense.
Spoiler: Chainsaw Defense
LL: They come in with a lot of energy that I like, and seem to generate good discussion with many people, Micc specifically. I think they do a good job of making themselves understood and engaging. Telling me to address Petri felt very town, and their bafflement at Fwog seems genuine.
This part I don't really understand. It feels kind of awkward and out of line with how they've been playing the rest of the day.In post 304, LuckyLuciano wrote:I feel myselfwantingyou to be scum right now, so I'm going to take a step back and let other people weigh in before I end up confbias tunneling you.
Gyp: Gives me good town vibes, they feel eager and genuine. #47, #72, #74 (though easy), and #78 feel good, natural, and solving focused. Their exchange with LL felt awkward but in an honest and town way. I've been there, just wanting to be understood.
JV/enomis: Jv's posts felt relaxed. I liked #40, #42. Fro Enomis null, haven't really been pushed or taken any hard stances. Asking lots of questions, but it's hard to gauge how he feels about the game.
Petri: I think they've improved over the day, very open to engaging. Answer questions over and over, and pushing theirs hard as well. Even and making sure the questions they ask are seen and responded to.
This is a specffic post I like a lot. Just has a little bit of everything.In post 308, Petrichorus wrote:A couple of things I don't want to get lost and would like answered:
@Enomis,
@FwogIn post 274, Petrichorus wrote:Are there any interactions in D1 that you think are scumxscum or do you feel that they've avoided prolonged interaction?In post 274, Petrichorus wrote:
RE: 92 - Please define 'locktown'. I'd like to know before I answer so as not to be misconstrued.In post 264, fwogcarf wrote:
92 - Just because 72 came to defend me means I'm locktown? Sorry Petri that doesn't make sense, especially when you congratulate me on doing something you think I'm scum forIn post 207, Petrichorus wrote:@72offsuit, with the exception of your 'gut read' on Gyp, you haven't posted any other content that I can see that gives any other read. You've asked plenty of people for their reads, but given no others from yourself. You say your gut read was to move us away from RVS but you've taken no other steps since your return to continue that momentum. As such, I would like to know whether your read on Gyp has changed and if not, who else do you read as Scum.
In addition, new questions and answers:In post 193, Petrichorus wrote:Can someone explain the jargon 'chainsaw' to me?
Spoiler: @bv310
Spoiler: @Lucky
Spoiler: @enomis
Weighing in on Gyp:
I think the formatting and questions is NAI. When catching up, it's easy to re-ask questions. It's strange that they're so close together but I don't think it's a major suspicion.
301 seems to be well reasoned and a good answer to Lucky's question as far as I see it. As previously discussed I'd personally focus on who we want as a D1 lynch.
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Late to the party, and probably won't say anything new, but here it goes.
It strikes me that agrees with me here, and yet.In post 87, bv310 wrote:
So short version you're right. Basically, every hidden role game like this relies on early game being messy and pointless until someone commits to a line of thought. This is even more pronounced in forum-Mafia play, since you can't really catch someone tripping over their words, or any of the other normal tells that a person might show when they're nervous. RVS enables that by getting some early reactions and discussion, which can get the ball rolling.In post 83, Tuxedo Mask wrote:For the rest of RVS into Wagon stuff, I think one of the SEs could better explain. From my minor experience and reading other games on this site, RVS going into a wagon helps spark pressure and discussion early. We can see how the targeted player or players respond to being focused and at a high vote count, we can see what players push the wagon and what players avoid it. It's not much to go on, but it's something. And could provide useful information on a reread in future days once some people have flipped.
Does it himself, and doesn't address it. Interesting who he voted for, but every time I think about it my head spins if WIFOM. Would Petri help lynch his partner day one?In post 70, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Yeah, he's not mentioned anything about Petri. So there is no evidence he scum read him. Someone pointed out that when question he jumped from one extreme to the next, saying he'd rather lurk tan spam posts.
He also later town leans on Fwog while keeping his vote parked on him. Scum or not he's asleep at the wheel.
I'm very pleased with this lynch today.
Final thoughts, I would like to get everyone's view on this on the record before the end of the day if possible. Especially clear up Fwog's feelings on it.
I also have thought, early in the day, there seemed to be a lot of miscommunication that seemed easy to exploit. Me/Fwog Me/Micc 72/Gypx, and yet it didn't happen, chaos wasn't sewn as easily as it could have been. Perhaps because both scum were absent up to that point in the game? So BV, JV, and Armcello. Has Armcello played scum before?
Aren't wagons considered more effective to move out of RVS?In post 48, bv310 wrote:Man, I haven't played Mafia on here in years. It's nice to see some things don't change.
VOTE: Petrichorus
Gotta spread the Day 1 love around.
In post 194, bv310 wrote:Alright, catch-up time!
First off, UNVOTE: for now. I'm not as sold on my Petrichorus read as I was before. Still scum-leaning, but they're putting a lot of effort in to answering questions which is nice.
My current point of interest is actually Fwogcarf now.
One of my favourite early game strategies is to look at people in ISO to look for lots of posting without content. Right now, most people have provided information-gathering, answered larger questions, given opinions, that kind of thing. The only people excluded are Fwog, JV, and myself, and JV has decided to replace out. To me, that leaves one good option for digging in to. Fwog, your vote is currently parked on Mask. Do you still think he's a good choice for voting? Why/Why Not? If you were voting elsewhere, who would be a reasonable option in your opinion?
Also, Lucky, still waiting on your thoughts from yesterday morning. You said you needed time to gather your thoughts, and then never came back.-
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Currently, I gotta pretty good vibes about most of the active players, Petri is coming up, with Micc at the top. Fwog confuses me, and I'm null Enomis.In post 281, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Tux, who are your townreads? I get the feeling that you are more inclined to look for scum that to look for town, is this correct? I come to this conclusion because you come across as slightly paranoid.
I think I'm always paranoid, but to what angle seems to defer from game to game? This game I've felt pretty confident in my scum reads, but not any strong town reads besides general good vibes. But in others, I've felt good locking people as town left and right but can't find scum to save my life.-
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Hey man, it's cool, just a game. I'm wrong all the time. On a different site, I just mislynched, but also regretted the lynch at the last second. So now everyone thinks I was trying to look good by getting off a bad wagon at the last second.
Hell in this game, I directly questioned BV about his weird RVS, and never followed up. That was something I could have pursued way earlier in the day but tunneled Petri way too hard.
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Hmm, I think Lucky might be outside my ability to read well, but I can't say more. What about MIcc and Lucain's conversation did you dislike? I feel like their general scum huntingness and solviness has outweighed null interaction. Again it is a game, moments like that help keep things light and enjoyable.In post 401, fwogcarf wrote:
Oh please, you haven't seen my worst games.In post 399, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Hey man, it's cool, just a game. I'm wrong all the time. On a different site, I just mislynched, but also regretted the lynch at the last second. So now everyone thinks I was trying to look good by getting off a bad wagon at the last second.
Hell in this game, I directly questioned BV about his weird RVS, and never followed up. That was something I could have pursued way earlier in the day but tunneled Petri way too hard.
But we can talk now. What do you think Lucky is scum, and why do you think BV isn't?
The Lucky scumread comes from his interaction with Micc and the buddying up with you. Micc and Luciano's conversation didn't seem town motivated at all to me, more like filler content to pass the time i guess.
BV I don't want to lynch purely because I want more content out of them. Seeming as they have given up trying to defend themselves, I don't think that's gonna happen.
However I've seen and been the guy who's given up as town multiple times. I will not trust anybody on the BV wagon if he flips town, which I think he will.
Besides BV's giving up, to disagree with other points raised against them?
Yeah, town can give up. But Micc made a good point earlier of wanting to play towards crafting our best LYLO. So losing him day 1 is an outcome I accept, even if he does flip town.
P.S. I've had so major fuck ups in this game. Subbed into nearly won town games, and somehow to pulled all the moment around into a disastrous loss.-
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It's fine man, play the game in a way that's fun for you. There are lots of worse playstyles than makes jokes. Some real toxic people out there, that being toxic is to them a strategy.In post 402, fwogcarf wrote:I've also somehow managed to fill up about 1/4 of this game with my shit
nice
I regret bringing Petri's friendless up in my case against them. I feel like I may have told them to shut and treat everyone like a combatant. Which isn't true, and I'd rather play with someone who greets everyone than not.
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I can't address this.In post 410, LuckyLuciano wrote:
I mean, you've seen me confbias tunnel before. I don't understand how you don't understand that this is something I would do if I let myself get carried away.In post 393, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
This part I don't really understand. It feels kind of awkward and out of line with how they've been playing the rest of the day.In post 304, LuckyLuciano wrote:I feel myselfwantingyou to be scum right now, so I'm going to take a step back and let other people weigh in before I end up confbias tunneling you.
In this game, however, you've said that you like really pressuring newbies because they're more likely to crack in a way to obv town or obv scum. You tried it on Petri which seemed to only partially work for you. So it seems odd to me that it looks like you're ramping up to do it again, generating lots of content and conversation that allows all other players to better understand both of you. Then it's suddenly cut short in a way that feels inorganic.
From an outsider perspective, I do not see this ramping of tunneling that you claim you felt. It feels like a natural conversation, where you're read of Gyp is progressing in real-time. Then, despite what feels to be you getting a scum read, you halt suddenly. So yes, based on THIS game, it feels awkward.
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Very same boat.In post 434, LuckyLuciano wrote:I'll probably not be looking too much at this game today. I need to finish catching up elsewhere - I made a commitment to replace into a deep game.-
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Day 1 seems to go with a universal town read, so me or Micc.In post 436, Gypyx wrote:
Who were you suspecting to die then?In post 433, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Not a kill I suspected. Is it to cast FoS on Lucky?
I don't think Fwog would have looked very good coming into day 2. Maybe they suspected he was a PR? But it feels like a way to make Lucky look worse, as the day ended with both Fwog and I putting FoS on him.-
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Finger of SuspicionIn post 438, Gypyx wrote:Well, there might be something more than just putting FoS susp on Lucky (btw what does that exactly mean?) as if this really was scum's plan, they probably would've killed you i think
But people didn't town read, or follow Fwog. While people did for me. So they could hope I'd carry the momentum from the day ended, and really push Lucky, with the added evidence of that flip.
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Mostly because it feels that's the line of thought the kill wants me to go down? Like it's such an unexpected kill, it really draws attention to itself.In post 441, Gypyx wrote:
That's a fair point, but is there any reason why you aren't considering the possibility that Lucky killed Fwog? (unless i misunderstood your point)In post 439, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Finger of SuspicionIn post 438, Gypyx wrote:Well, there might be something more than just putting FoS susp on Lucky (btw what does that exactly mean?) as if this really was scum's plan, they probably would've killed you i think
But people didn't town read, or follow Fwog. While people did for me. So they could hope I'd carry the momentum from the day ended, and really push Lucky, with the added evidence of that flip.
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Wanna elaborate on this. Objectively the most suspicious thing you've said.In post 442, LuckyLuciano wrote:Lol... It's fun playing on a site where people don't know me.
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Naw, I mostly joking around. Thanks for the info though.In post 447, LuckyLuciano wrote:My old site was debate.org.
I played under Mestari and Lucky_Luciano primarily.
The comment was made referencing the night kill analysis that's gone on so far. Elaborating beyond that is just going to be seen as WIFOM unless you want to go through all of my past scum games to confirm what I say, and if you are willing to do that, then you can figure out why I think this situation is funny without me telling you.
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I don't think he's been suspicious of you at all today. Just questioning my train of thought which heavily revolves around you. Nothin he's said implies he thinks your mafia, just wondering why I think the NK means you're not.In post 449, LuckyLuciano wrote:I'm going to reread the game more in depth before I start heavily engaging in this day phase. Just going off how I felt about players late yesterday, the next logical step is either Petri or Gypyx. Gypyx seemed to pretty heavily townread me towards the end of D1, and now he's starting D2 off supposing that I killed fwog. The disconnect doesn't feel natural, and fits in with your reasoning in 443.-
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It's not that I don't see what you're getting at. But it is on you to more justify it.In post 452, LuckyLuciano wrote:You really have to start reading between the lines.
pedit: It's either I talk to you or I remind myself how much I regret the other commitment I made.
And though I see it, it isn't out of line with him from Day 1.
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It's okay, I'm bad at picking up tone over text. I just felt that was more condescending what it could have been rewarded to be more educational. It is still a newbie game.In post 454, LuckyLuciano wrote:That last part wasn't meant to come across negatively. It's more so that I'm drained from elsewhere and talking to you here is an excuse for a break from that commitment.
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And now it's May 6th, taken you a lot longer than 12 hours to find that gap in time scummy. Don't you think you're being a bit arbitrary?In post 463, 72offsuit wrote:Petri’s post 92 , ]
If Petri had such a reaction to my post, it feels at odds for him to post
post 82, which was on Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:41 pm and makes no reference to my post 80
And then only ~12 hours later, in post 92 on Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:43 am , decides he doesn’t like my post 80.
Just doesn’t feel right.
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Reading Enomis?
They vote Micc, asking for them to explain their Petri vote/unvote. Micc had already done so pretty clearly in the game already. Does it again, sighting their original explanation. Enomis unvotes.
Their Gyp vote/unvote also seems based in miscommunication of Enomis part.
Combine that with a high number of posts of them saying they need to reread, or have read closely, creates a pattern of not really paying attention. And going through their ISO I see them asking a lot of questions, but don't have much of a understanding where they stand.
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