Open 800 - Donner Party | Game Over

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: plusjoyed

why are you in every game

[DoubtingThomas]

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

oh lol how did you come here

[DoubtingThomas]

Wait... deadline is 9 DAYS? 9... days? lol Like... Day 1 is made of 10 days?

I don't understand the question.

But yes, we have longer dayphases here than a lot of other sites do.
It's so worth!

Yah sorry it's just.. I've never played a 10 day phase game before so, I needed to confirm what my eyes saw.

Yeah that's what I don't like about this site, but beggars can't be choosers! I am a beggar when all other sites are out of games for me to join for a period

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: doubting thomas
Hello again.

Hello. Definitely remember the name. forgot the game though

[DoubtingThomas]

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

@guil also do you know Tommy?

yes we've played on a different site. also played a a few games he's hosted and etc

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

[DoubtingThomas]

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

Have you played before? Do you have any questions before I forget you're a newbie and just treat you like a peer?

this feels like a townie reaction to me, more genuine and cutting the fluff to get into and advance gamestate

this is wrong

[DoubtingThomas]

the idea can be right (although debatable) but the asking of question itself to a potential new person - "have you played before? do you have any questions?" is not that hard to formulate as a wolf

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

-tabletop

eh this is a weird misrepresentation. he's played couple games since he started playing in may this year (which i didn't know until he said in this game) he said just that in the last page, you didn't read?

[DoubtingThomas]

Snoooooooore

@guillotine where you played before did you scumread people who posted four pages of nothing?

I was responding to this post, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

[DoubtingThomas]

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

Wait tell me the better way

come to where i play

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

Crap i responded inside the quotes. 100% karma.

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

For a few reasons.

1) This site's layout is still confusing to me.
2) Because I wanted to join a game, whichever came first.
3) I learn faster playing with experienced players so even if I knew there were newbie games, I would have still joined this one.

Question: I wouldn't have joined if I found out it was a 10-day-Day Phase though. Are newbie games shorter?

-tabletop

I got the impression that was off-site. You don't think it's fair to ask why he didn't join the newbie queue if he still considers himself a newbie?

It's fair, just irrelevant and a tiny bit suspicious.

-tabletop

bit defensive. Might agree with squiggles on a SR here

-nornor

Actually no. Think about it. An experienced player who is a newbie to the site they are playing, is an experienced player's nightmare at the site they are a regular on.

It makes me unpredictable and scum want as much control of the room as possible, so unpredictability is something they want to avoid. This is why newbies always die first and this is why your push on me is a tiny bit suspicious.

Lol what'd you say? Newbies always die first? Whats with this lame ass AtE? Hope you realize that Im prolly newer than you considering you had played mafia on another site. My first time playing mafia was on this site so even if my start date is a bit earlier than yours, im more new than you unless u spent like two weeks on your old site :/

-dontuseAtEonme

^this AtE only works if I believe you are newer than me which I currently dont unfortunately

-nornor

Now who is being defensive? Im talking from my personal experience, that's all. I havent been to a site where i'm new and i dont get lynch first, so i figured it must be because it makes me unpredictable threat to scum. Unluckily for scum in this particular game is that it is a 10-day one so i got plenty of time to study you.

You can't pull your noob card out if someone newer hasn't pulled it yet. Jus doesn't work bud.

-Nornortheinfant

eh I understand why you guys may think that way, but I didn't read Guillo's posts as defensive per se. It IS true that newbies who are unable to present towniness effectively to die first for sometimes stupid reasons

[DoubtingThomas]

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

huh? Dynamic players scums love to have around because they naturally attract scum reads and often times push them for the scums benefits. the way you are saying it makes it sound like scums would want to kill dynamic players at night or try to push in the day? i think that's very far from the truth. maybe just my opinion

[DoubtingThomas]

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

huh? Dynamic players scums love to have around because they naturally attract scum reads and often times

townies

push them for the scums benefits. the way you are saying it makes it sound like scums would want to kill dynamic players at night or try to push in the day? i think that's very far from the truth. maybe just my opinion

pedit

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

like talking about useless shit = beneficial to scums who benefits from thread not talking about the game

since i've played quite a few mafiascum games now, this happens every single SoD1 and honestly for the longest time

this site meta is shit. saying that it's shit doesn't mean i am 'sitting back and letting others do the work for me' in fact, no one really has done much more work than me.

besides the fact that it's not true, i am not sure how you can even get to that conclusion from what i've wrote. it's very clear that we, at the least, have different ways of understanding things, but still the communication is poor and you voting me here like that makes little sense, imo. thinking you should have voted me before, not like hours after you said something and i haven't done anything itt for your read to change on me

it also seems like you have no opinion on Guillotine or any other people that said something meaningful during that time too. seems like your push on me is fixated which is more likely scum

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

“Nobody is doing anything good in the first 5 pages”
“This site’s D1 meta sucks”

Aside from being not true statements, these take YOU out of the equation and put the burden on everyone else to play how you see fit so that you can come in and start catching scum. You had the opportunity to influence the first 5 pages didn’t you? You have the opportunity to influence what we do D1 don’t you? Yet instead of DOING it you sit back and complain about how nobody is doing it for you. Even in this post I’m responding to you shift the blame to me for “not communicating to you correctly”. That’s what I mean and before you ask it’s not why I voted you

no, it is true statement. that meta sucks and this site has a particularly shitty sod1 meta. you may have a different opinion, and perhaps 'saying one is a shitty meta' is very objective, doesn't make it not true.

i am not understanding how that really leaves me out of the equation? i've had couple posts where i expressed my thoughts on other matters? saying there's nothing in the first 5 pages = taking myself out of the equation? you haven't read any of my posts did you?

[DoubtingThomas]

Snoooooooore

@guillotine where you played before did you scumread people who posted four pages of nothing?

I was responding to this post, tbh

and i think you are purposefully trying to misrepresent me. or maybe you are just one of those people who are always stuck in your own world.

that post about not having information in 5 pages was in fact, as i've said before, a response rather than a random complaint with regards to this post. someone ELSE has mentioned and posed this as a question (possibly rhetorical) and I wanted to confirm that as someone who comes from the same site as Guillotine, yes he is probably also thinking this.

I don't believe your push on me is real, tbh.

[DoubtingThomas]

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

huh? Dynamic players scums love to have around because they naturally attract scum reads and often times push them for the scums benefits. the way you are saying it makes it sound like scums would want to kill dynamic players at night or try to push in the day? i think that's very far from the truth. maybe just my opinion

Is this gonna be a game where I have to use /s

hmm like isn't this exactly what this person has been saying, "taking himself out of the equation"? he used that to scum read me as if it's even scummy yet he's guilty of his own hypocrisy here? blaming me or threatening that they may have to /s (i am assuming this is silence or muting?) me? lol like who cares. if you really believe that i am the one who has to be /s, just do it instead of announcing it like an attention seeker. i think this is just posting it to show that you 'don't like my posts' or something. looks fake.

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

“Nobody is doing anything good in the first 5 pages”
“This site’s D1 meta sucks”

Aside from being not true statements, these take YOU out of the equation and put the burden on everyone else to play how you see fit so that you can come in and start catching scum. You had the opportunity to influence the first 5 pages didn’t you? You have the opportunity to influence what we do D1 don’t you? Yet instead of DOING it you sit back and complain about how nobody is doing it for you. Even in this post I’m responding to you shift the blame to me for “not communicating to you correctly”.

That’s what I mean and before you ask it’s not why I voted you

This is also bad. You are trying to play with the crowd here. If you are really town and your scum read on me is real, I expect you to push me by explaining your scum read (which can't be that great anyways being so early into the game). Yet here you are, just saying words again, about how "oh by the way, there's MORE reason to scum read you" which I've seen scums do more often than towns. This is because scums like to go for the SHOW like 'oh I read this person this way' and emphasize that. real townies just explain because they want other townies to understand their push. they don't care about what others think about them

you are a scum.

VOTE: superbowl9

[DoubtingThomas]

this site meta is shit.

a bit rude if I do say so myself. hope you realize that RVS is actually where you'll find a lot of interesting things. Maybe it seems to you like we're just bullshitting the first five pages but I am certain there are people here that got something out of it. RVS is a time where scums come out to get their "free town cred" but that town cred aint free if they get caught for it.

-bubbles

no 'town cred' should be given in RVS for either town or scum. how does that logic even make sense? why would anyone get any town cred besides from like a decisive meta reasons?

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry if my words were rude. that was not my intent. can you explain your thoughts on superbowl and my exchange though?

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: superbowl9

hypocrisy isn't scum indicative :/

-nornor

there were a lot of other reasons than just hypocrisy. This shading of my push on superbowl is noted.

[DoubtingThomas]

in fact in that post about superbowl, my explanation of scum reading his slot didn't include hypocrisy at all. that's from a few posts before. i am not sure why you are trying to shade my other reasoning by saying 'hypocrisy isn't scum indicative' ?

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry if my words were rude. that was not my intent. can you explain your thoughts on superbowl and my exchange though?

If you expect me to pay a shit ton of attention to 1v1's, ur quite mistaken. I've skimmed it and so far it just looks dumb and contentless.

-Nornor

see your shading continues. you dare to shade my push on him which includes a lot more than just hypocrisy by saying that hypocrisy isn't scum indicative?

[DoubtingThomas]

sure, you can 'skim' stuff and think certain exchanges are dumb, but why do you go out of your way to shade someone else's push unfairly? you definitely used like 20% of what my reason is to discredit the 80%. even though you are merely 'skimming' stuff and think that my exchange is dumb. you are also not taking a stance between me and superbowl, not even a t/t read. the refusal to make read on two slots that is generating good content by 10th page is noted.

There aren't even that many posts yet but we are finally getting out of RVS stage. The fact that you are trying to not take any responsibility by saying you are 'skimming' yet trying to shade me clearly and openly.. that's noted

[DoubtingThomas]

see your shading continues. you dare to shade my push on him which includes a lot more than just hypocrisy by saying that hypocrisy isn't scum indicative?

lmao ok sure thats clearly what I'm doing

-nornor

yes. you don't have any logic nor facts to counter my argument but just shading me right now , aren't you?

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

like talking about useless shit = beneficial to scums who benefits from thread not talking about the game

since i've played quite a few mafiascum games now, this happens every single SoD1 and honestly for the longest time

this site meta is shit. saying that it's shit doesn't mean i am 'sitting back and letting others do the work for me' in fact, no one really has done much more work than me.

besides the fact that it's not true, i am not sure how you can even get to that conclusion from what i've wrote. it's very clear that we, at the least, have different ways of understanding things, but still the communication is poor and you voting me here like that makes little sense, imo. thinking you should have voted me before, not like hours after you said something and i haven't done anything itt for your read to change on me

it also seems like you have no opinion on Guillotine or any other people that said something meaningful during that time too. seems like your push on me is fixated which is more likely scum

Ah yes we should have simply jumped into a rich analysis of the AI content available at post 2! Or maybe we should have used the “are you scum??” question, or massclaimed? SO many other options than the peabrained RVSer can comprehend.

But seriously, what have you done this game? You say my push is manufactured but has it not generated the most AI content in the game so far? If you think that anything guillotine is saying is useful that might explain things though...

you were literally pushing me and told me to be the person who makes the change, yet this post saying that I am jumping to analysis and conclusions?

what do you want me to do?

[DoubtingThomas]

From what I understand its literally like this:
Doubting: Day 1 is stupid
superbowl: be the change you want to see
Doubting: shut up! day 1 is stupid

-nornor

you should probably read then instead of just skimming, lmao

[DoubtingThomas]

manufactured push =/= unable to generate content. the only reason it generated any content is because i responded. you told me that i should be the change to get this game out of RVS. then in t hat post you are telling me that I am jumping onto too much AI analysis

[DoubtingThomas]

see your shading continues. you dare to shade my push on him which includes a lot more than just hypocrisy by saying that hypocrisy isn't scum indicative?

lmao ok sure thats clearly what I'm doing

-nornor

yes. you don't have any logic nor facts to counter my argument but just shading me right now , aren't you?

DoubtingThomas DESTROYS liberal hydra using FACTS and LOGIC

the continuation of shade and factless posts and pushes. great!

[DoubtingThomas]

Towns,

note the tone in superbowl9 and chaos triforce slot. Initially, I thought superbowl9 could have been maybe a dedicated mafiascum player who was annoyed at me for shittalking their site. that's understandable. but I think he's simply making unrealistic pushes on me. I also think it's very scummy for superbowl9 and chaos triforce to have a very similar tone throughout this page and partially in the last page. their tone feels like that of a 'caught scum who believes the reason is wrong'. This is not an angered townie nor a dedicated townie who believes in his push. Their treatment of me on this page - if you look at the tone of his post - is playful. probably a little bit of superiority mindset thinking that I am inferior or whatever. Thinking my pushes are 'not the right reason' but I don't think a town player here who (could have been) initially annoyed at my posts shitting his site will be making banters and jokes like he's done in this game. They are not truly scum reading me at anywhere on this page.

gonna go eat dinner bbl

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry if my words were rude. that was not my intent. can you explain your thoughts on superbowl and my exchange though?

If you expect me to pay a shit ton of attention to 1v1's, ur quite mistaken. I've skimmed it and so far it just looks dumb and contentless.

-Nornor

lol before telling someone else to drop the 'I'm right' attitude than you yourself shouldn't call other people's posts dumb and contentless while not even reading it properly. Like???????

[DoubtingThomas]

i am gonna go eat and maybe check in tomorrow. getting really annoyed. don't @me

[DoubtingThomas]

perhaps stupid is too hard a word to use here. Let's just say I cannot understand your thought process at all.

-bubbles

yea maybe you could have made a proper attempt to ask me about my posts in a civil way. you yourself bashing and saying my posts are stupid and contentless (while claiming that you didn't read my posts and refuse to do any due diligence more than just skimming) is truly annoying. I also think it's in bad faith because you are trying put that I had a "I am right" attitude when you didn't even give my posts a fair reading effort on your end, and you also didn't try to do that at all. which I personally associate with scummy and well at least gets me very annoyed

[DoubtingThomas]

Towns

Yes hey that's me

note the tone in superbowl9 and chaos triforce slot.

Sarcastic, detached. Maybe a little snide?

Initially, I thought superbowl9 could have been maybe a dedicated mafiascum player who was annoyed at me for shittalking their site. that's understandable. but I think he's simply making unrealistic pushes on me.

Tell me more? I'm not seeing too much pushing at all, but i'm skimming from work.

I also think it's very scummy for superbowl9 and chaos triforce to have a very similar tone throughout this page and partially in the last page.

You mean Sarcastic, detached, and maybe a little snide?

This is not an angered townie nor a dedicated townie who believes in his push. Their treatment of me on this page - if you look at the tone of his post - is playful.

That would jump in the face of your "defensive of the site" theory, but I mean d1 is low stakes and often playful. I'm really interested in wherever you play because if you've got better d1's I'm excited. Can you maybe quote a place where you think he looks disingenuous?

probably a little bit of superiority mindset thinking that I am inferior or whatever.

Oh there's defo some haught in there

Thinking my pushes are 'not the right reason' but I don't think a town player here who (could have been) initially annoyed at my posts shitting his site will be making banters and jokes like he's done in this game.

So I don't fully understand this part. You're saying his defensiveness at your shit talk of the site and that he wouldn't be playful with you because spite?

Someone said it is frowned upon to say other sites on here. I can tell you after game if you are really curious. Would love to have new people come. The day phases there are generally faster. I think the norm is like 7 days a week here? Over there average games take usually 2-3 days and 12hrs or 24 hr night phases.

I think that his defensiveness at my initial shit talk of the site is understandable. He can say that as a scum, but also as town. No problem with that itself. I think I could have come off as rude.

But I think with that initial interaction, the way superbowl evolved his progression on my slot. That is voting me out of nowhere despite me not being in the thread during the times he last posted about me and voted me. then me coming in and saying that his push is fake and bull shit (which I expect a town person who had GENUINE interest in scum reading me to be annoyed at push back on) and his reaction to that was not even close to what i expect a towns person to be. saying stuff like "Come on you were supposed to post that in the PT!!" was very out of place, and I think he was trying to be TWBTAW or a 'playful' person. However, based on my interaction with them and what my understanding of their progression was, it felt very out of place. it discredited all the potentially town push he made on me into something that didn't mean to him and his potentially seemingly present annoyance at me seemed fake.

[DoubtingThomas]

Oh you just responded out of order. We played in the Merchant’s Daughter game, we were scum together

Tbh that delayed response has me like :S

wait btw did we win? wasnt Nancy Drew there

[DoubtingThomas]

too wolfy to be a wolf (should be TWTBAW)

[DoubtingThomas]

so based on the games i've seen him play, i think guillotina is of town alignment regardless of his accuracy in pushes, folks

[DoubtingThomas]

guillotina, can you read and explain your thoughts on my interaction with superbowl and the hydra slot

[DoubtingThomas]

I feel you when I just started playing mafia about 2 years ago. Burning passion, want to challenge anyone as soon as I get my green rolecard. I feel it in your posts deep inside the core of it. But today, after playing enough mafia games, I do lack that burning passion. However, I've also realized that that does not make town rolecard any less greener. I can still be town without clogging the thread. Sometimes, clogging the thread can be anti town. Things you will surely learn as you play more. I welcome you to explore as much as you can. You will evolve, surely, and adapt to what best suits you. But today, I ask you to work with me as I town read you. I want you to find a wolf with me.

[DoubtingThomas]

no I don't know you change meta effortlessly. I played with you as a wolf against town in a game I subbed where I didn't notice you that much (lundun bastard) and then that mash where you wolfed against me, no? I dont recall any other games. the ongoing one I honestly barely read anyone

[DoubtingThomas]

how about superbowl9?

[DoubtingThomas]

also lol is that RapMonster? I am Korean myself. don't really like him

[DoubtingThomas]

how does it come from a town perspective

[DoubtingThomas]

>bitching about fluff
>bitching about bitching about fluff
>more fluff

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

>posturing
>"u suk" "no u"

I literally have nothing to say on p 12. That's a problem.

Lol uh sure...

I'll be around dw

I'm not worried. I want to eliminate you from my scum pool, but in order to do that I need to see you work.


Superbowl is town.

can you explain this progression?

[DoubtingThomas]

i dont understand whawt you are trying to shay, chkflip and what's 'joining'

[DoubtingThomas]

what kind of witty quick responses, can you show me? his posts that i remember are far from that

[DoubtingThomas]

see your shading continues. you dare to shade my push on him which includes a lot more than just hypocrisy by saying that hypocrisy isn't scum indicative?

lmao ok sure thats clearly what I'm doing

-nornor

yes. you don't have any logic nor facts to counter my argument but just shading me right now , aren't you?

DoubtingThomas DESTROYS liberal hydra using FACTS and LOGIC

Come on you were supposed to post that in the PT!!

maybe quick, but these don't seem witty at all nor townie

[DoubtingThomas]

can you fucking read the posts I write? I scum read superbowl9 and literally gave a town read to guillotine while trying to calm him from shitting the thread AND THEN TWO OR THREE PEOPLE FOLLOWED ME AFTER to town read guillotine

I THINK YOU YOURSELF have started giving townread on guillotine

It's incredibly inappropriate for you to lie about me 'not giving off reads' this game because that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I've done all this game

[DoubtingThomas]

so based on the games i've seen him play, i think guillotina is of town alignment regardless of his accuracy in pushes, folks

never mind. you town read superb and not guillotine. thought it was guillotine because he has nothing to be town read for except your futile idea of a meta on him so i misremembered i guess. that doesnt change the fact you lied about my activity this game like your butt buddy superb though

[DoubtingThomas]

Oh whats up ari! I feel like you rolled scum this game for some weird reason

I generally use pfp for profile pic offsite, here it’s all avatar/avi

Because we're all old here

I generally use pfp for profile pic offsite, here it’s all avatar/avi

Because we're all old here

This site is stuck 5 years in the past

Wait... deadline is 9 DAYS? 9... days? lol Like... Day 1 is made of 10 days?

yeah this site has really long days for some reason

Yeah i prefer epicmafia

I'm a fan of superbowl's easy going style and throwing out gut reads, I think the looseness is pretty towny.

-tabletop

You’re right but i’m not accepting buddies at this time sadly

see theres more but like noraa said it too. almost all his posts are loose

this is not witty. your definition of witty is delusional or you are just a wolf, yes?

[DoubtingThomas]

plusjoyed is giving town reads on his friends like government is giving out food stamps to the poor, wtf?

[DoubtingThomas]

I feel like im in a newbie

why

Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town

agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it

is ari plusjoyed?

[DoubtingThomas]

superb's posts in the past 2-3 pages have been better, but him not really saying anything from voting me for asinine reasons straight to guillo makes me feel like he just backed off of me after realizing it would be difficult to vote me

[DoubtingThomas]

plusjoyed also giving out 'oh yeah superb is townie because his meta is him joning and being quick and witty is town' is also a very dumb reason to give out anyone a town read in d1. unless they just have no respect for superb's wolf game. what do you think, superb?

[DoubtingThomas]

i checked for ari in the player list and i guess i misread and thought there werent anyone with the name 'ari' and it was someone's like name or aka nicknam,e

[DoubtingThomas]

that would be level 0 read, gamma. very disappoint.

[DoubtingThomas]

was i playing poorly in the game we scummed together?

[DoubtingThomas]

i dont recall. but i have evolved as a player, so.

[DoubtingThomas]

see your scumread on me is doing something, doubtingthomas. Doesn't change the fact that you've been trying to hinder people's sorting and complain about the game not going anywhere.

nah i haven't i've given out scum read on superb, the hydra slot and town read on guillo. what have you done?

[DoubtingThomas]

if you just gonna make shit up out of your ass when i cleary have done things that you claim that i havent, i dont know what to say

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

“Nobody is doing anything good in the first 5 pages”
“This site’s D1 meta sucks”

Aside from being not true statements, these take YOU out of the equation and put the burden on everyone else to play how you see fit so that you can come in and start catching scum. You had the opportunity to influence the first 5 pages didn’t you? You have the opportunity to influence what we do D1 don’t you? Yet instead of DOING it you sit back and complain about how nobody is doing it for you. Even in this post I’m responding to you shift the blame to me for “not communicating to you correctly”.

That’s what I mean and before you ask it’s not why I voted you

This is also bad. You are trying to play with the crowd here. If you are really town and your scum read on me is real, I expect you to push me by explaining your scum read (which can't be that great anyways being so early into the game). Yet here you are, just saying words again, about how "oh by the way, there's MORE reason to scum read you" which I've seen scums do more often than towns. This is because scums like to go for the SHOW like 'oh I read this person this way' and emphasize that. real townies just explain because they want other townies to understand their push. they don't care about what others think about them

you are a scum.

VOTE: superbowl9

Towns,

note the tone in superbowl9 and chaos triforce slot. Initially, I thought superbowl9 could have been maybe a dedicated mafiascum player who was annoyed at me for shittalking their site. that's understandable. but I think he's simply making unrealistic pushes on me. I also think it's very scummy for superbowl9 and chaos triforce to have a very similar tone throughout this page and partially in the last page. their tone feels like that of a 'caught scum who believes the reason is wrong'. This is not an angered townie nor a dedicated townie who believes in his push. Their treatment of me on this page - if you look at the tone of his post - is playful. probably a little bit of superiority mindset thinking that I am inferior or whatever. Thinking my pushes are 'not the right reason' but I don't think a town player here who (could have been) initially annoyed at my posts shitting his site will be making banters and jokes like he's done in this game. They are not truly scum reading me at anywhere on this page.

gonna go eat dinner bbl

so based on the games i've seen him play, i think guillotina is of town alignment regardless of his accuracy in pushes, folks

guillotina, can you read and explain your thoughts on my interaction with superbowl and the hydra slot

these posts are being afraid to give out reads? really?

[DoubtingThomas]

why are you delusional, plusjoyed?

[DoubtingThomas]

maybe quick, but these don't seem witty at all nor townie

you seem very skeptical/cynical, yet I don't feel like you've really made any reads yet
that's usually a scumtell

@ me if anyone agrees with this post after reading the posts I made that I scraped above. serious concern

[DoubtingThomas]

not reading posts correctly while also pushing there more often than not comes from scum giving out fake ass reads, in my world

cool if you don't want to play with me, but you've been lying hmmm

VOTE: plusJOYED

[DoubtingThomas]

i dont believe a town would push me as scum. maybe you can point that out, but i t hink most towns who are even half decent at the game will note that not liking someone's play =/= wolf. so your push is that of a wolf's because you wanted to get rid of me. you aren't town, so you were too focused on trying to push me for personally not liking my posts

[DoubtingThomas]

i dont believe a town would push

someone as scum purely for not liking their posts WHILE not reading their posts properly

. maybe you can point that out, but i t hink most towns who are even half decent at the game will note that not liking someone's play =/= wolf. so your push is that of a wolf's because you wanted to get rid of me. you aren't town, so you were too focused on trying to push me for personally not liking my posts

edit.

like not reading someone while pushing them actively i imagine it unlikely to come from a town

[DoubtingThomas]

good deal.
your overreaction tells me you aren't happy with the game state. You've also been avoiding noraa iirc, it's resuring me that I was right about you. Thanks for making this easy

where was i avoiding noraa? you realized she was the one who said she didn't want to talk to me anymore and won't be, and would leave it to the partners to talk to me?

hmm?

what makes you think town WOULD be happy with the current game state? can you please explain?

[DoubtingThomas]

perhaps stupid is too hard a word to use here. Let's just say I cannot understand your thought process at all.

-bubbles

yea maybe you could have made a proper attempt to ask me about my posts in a civil way. you yourself bashing and saying my posts are stupid and contentless (while claiming that you didn't read my posts and refuse to do any due diligence more than just skimming) is truly annoying. I also think it's in bad faith because you are trying put that I had a "I am right" attitude when you didn't even give my posts a fair reading effort on your end, and you also didn't try to do that at all. which I personally associate with scummy and well at least gets me very annoyed

Haha you're making this so much harder than it needs to be. I won't engage you any more and leave that to Squiggles who is great at talking nicely even when pissed(or so I think O_o) I have an idea on what alignment I think you are but I am not engaging you anymore. My partners will do that while I sit on the beach eating my ice cream

-Nornor

enlighten me. so you are pushing me mostly because you haven't liked my posts and consequently didn't read my posts.

ok... so you think i am 'avoiding' noraa after she made that post? you think it's good for town if I try to constantly bug her and engage her and annoy her after she's said she doesn't want to do that with me for the time being? even though you told me yourself that your scum read comes from not liking my posts so far?

i don't get that logic at all

[DoubtingThomas]

PJ, come on man. you literally proved that you haven't read even noraa's posts properly when she said she didn't want to deal with me. hahahahaha

gottem bois

[DoubtingThomas]

desperate?

[DoubtingThomas]

gamma what are your thoughts on this. seriously. this guy admits that he hasn't read bulk of my posts while giving an initial scum read on me for not liking my posts. and then now double downs on voting me even though my thought here is very transparent and easily followable for towns. take a stance.

[DoubtingThomas]

haha i am snob for catching you have lied about reading my posts? ok buddy

[DoubtingThomas]

alright. to be fair I kind of ignored a good chunk of your posts because you came off as someone I don't wanna play with.

Please. you have no reason to be mad. You are the one who tried to lie about reading me and push me without due diligence. Your reaction here doesn't make any sense as town. For some reason, if you are actually mad, I am sorry, but your unfair, (and from my POV) wolf-agenda-y treatment of my slot is the cause of any sort of saltiness from my slot.

[DoubtingThomas]

gamma what are your thoughts on this. seriously. this guy admits that he hasn't read bulk of my posts while giving an initial scum read on me for not liking my posts. and then now double downs on voting me even though my thought here is very transparent and easily followable for towns. take a stance.

It's dumb but PJ doesn't strike me as the pinnacle of intellectual play. It doesn't seem like what I've seen of him so far either, though.

catching people from blatantly lying is dumb? man i am not sure what you people on this site consider intelligent then? maybe you can enlighten me as to why it's dumb?

[DoubtingThomas]

see Thomas when I play with someone rude it kills my desire to play. People like you are why I've been playing less. I'm not great at this game. Having a good time is more important than winning to me.

i don't understand why you lie about reading people when you are here to have a good time. having a good time while acknowledging that you are not great at this game gives absolutely 0 incentive to lie about reading people.

[DoubtingThomas]

Like can someone explain to me if this thought process is incorrect?

- You like playing mafia
- You are not great at this game
- Someone who (you aren't sure if they are mafia or town to begin with) points out that you have lied about reading posts

- SURE you don't HAVE to read everything that's said in the game. I don't either. However, when I pushed someone and someone points out that I was lying, like my first reaction isn't to react with hostility and say that that person is rude and try to shrug off the lying part I have conducted as if it's nothing. Like acknowledge that you lied and then maybe even reevaluate your pushes because obviously you haven't done a great job in pushing that place if someone pointed out that you've lied?

but you doubling down on me despite me pointing out your own fault , a fault that you admit was yours, doesn't strike me as townie at all

[DoubtingThomas]

townies who have lack of information are more accepting of new information coming in. you did not accept the new information of me figuring out you have blatantly lied in a townie fashion. that's why you are scum

[DoubtingThomas]

and i pointed out that you lied, and you admitted that you did not read any of the important posts. your push on me came from your understanding of your skim of my iso that i didn't make any posts, and i pointed out that evaluation is wrong. that should give you more than enough reason to reevalute your push on me. However, instead, you voted me, omgus'ed me and said that i am rude and that makes me wolfy.

I strongly believe that if you were town who mistakenly read my slot to be wolfy, you would NOT vote me immediately, and instead, reevaluate my slot or go somewhere else with it. But me pointing out your own lie didn't strike any bell that I might be a town?

Like you want to kill me because you don't like my play and you think I am rude, sure. But that has 0, absolutely 0 townieness to it.

[DoubtingThomas]

and i pointed out that you lied, and you admitted that you did not read any of the important posts. your push on me came from your understanding of your skim of my iso that i didn't make any

reads

, and i pointed out that evaluation is wrong. that should give you more than enough reason to reevalute your push on me. However, instead, you voted me, omgus'ed me and said that i am rude and that makes me wolfy.

I strongly believe that if you were town who mistakenly read my slot to be wolfy, you would NOT vote me immediately, and instead, reevaluate my slot or go somewhere else with it. But me pointing out your own lie didn't strike any bell that I might be a town?

Like you want to kill me because you don't like my play and you think I am rude, sure. But that has 0, absolutely 0 townieness to it.

[DoubtingThomas]

@DT given your certainty about PJ, would you say that the Hydra team is spewed town as a result? Or do you think they are w/w and just did pretty good theater?

why do you think they are spewed town? because she voted them initially?

i think PJ being scum makes them more likely to be town, but i prob won't clear them. i probably won't push the hydra slot anymore today though

[DoubtingThomas]

why do you town read pj, gamma?

[DoubtingThomas]

2/3 of your town reads hard scum read PJ. you are just a player who doesn't form and work with town core? or what

[DoubtingThomas]

i didnt know chaos had 4 votes. that's interesting because i agreed with that sentiment but now feel like PJ is more likely scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

i was expressing that i prefer PJ now even though before I would have been ok with the chaos kill. can you share your thought on chaos and PJ?

[DoubtingThomas]

so the norm here is just never listen to anyone else in the game and give blind town reads on multiple people because your reads are somehow the best?

lol

[DoubtingThomas]

'could easily be town' literally doesn't mean anything. you aren't even trying to counter the fact that they have lied or their reaction was horrible. all of these contents i pulled out - for you - means less than what your futile gut reads. makes this game fun

[DoubtingThomas]

every single mafia scum player plays like they are playing a 1v11 game.

[DoubtingThomas]

*Someone else points out that someone is scum for reason A, B, C*

*Normal mafia players everywhere else*
*Hm, well reason A isn't true because of D, B might not be true for D, E*

*Mafia scum players*
Mafiascum player 1:Yeah I don't like playing with town cores
Mafiascum player 2:Lol, tHeY EaSilY sTiLl ToWn (doesn't explain anything)
Mafiascum player 3: Piss fighting! Bye! (does absolutely nothing)

clap clap

[DoubtingThomas]

I am putting in a lot more effort to fit in than others?

It was superb who tried to push me for reasons and I shut them down.
It was PlusJOYED who misrepresented my posts and tried to push me and I shut them down.

I honestly haven't been able to do anything besides defending myself from getting scum read for no reason and be unfairly called as rude? Why do you try to find the fault in me when the said mafiascum players haven't done jackshit besides scum reading me for no reason? Looks like Gamma and I have a decent relationship. Guess what the difference is. Oh they didn't scum read me for wolfy ass reasons.

[DoubtingThomas]

Like sorry if y'all got offended for me saying your meta's day 1 RVS stage meta is shit, but that's my opinion I will stand by. It helps scum way too much. But using just that to categorize me as 'cocky' 'rude' and what not is a little annoying, especially since I've been involved the most in the thread. You are also not trying much to really read me. It was myself that initiated the conversation and asked you a question. I am not sure what you have done to say that I am making no effort to fit in, because I feel like that's far from the truth.

When I make a pretty decent scum pushes after being misrepresented, most of you mafiascum players don't do much due diligence and just shut it down by saying worthless shit like "hah they are easily town". Like that feels more like not putting in effort. if you truly think that, maybe you should explain that? or maybe you should talk to me about why I could be wrong, or better yet, how you could be wrong? After all, I talked to PlusJOYED more than you this game, yes?

the fact that you don't make any sort of attempt to read me, engage me, or talk to me about your difference of read on PlusJOYED that's different than I am either suggests that

a) you think I am a wolf making bs

or

b) you are high and mighty and feel like you are a better player than I am. and you think you are too good to even talk me out of my potential tunnel

either way, don't complain about a newcomer not making enough effort to fit in when you aren't doing better yourself

[DoubtingThomas]

you should probably try to 'invite me' to fit in and read my posts. a lot of it is there

[DoubtingThomas]

nice try, but saying useless stuff like 'hah they can easily be town' contributes nothing and is exactly the type of behavior you are implying that i do. i was the one who asked him questions and trying to talk to him.

look, buddy. i get that you may not like my 'style' or whatever, but stop shading the fuck out of me for no reason. it's getting on my nerves, okay? look at things objectively. if you can't and will continue to be biased, stop talking to me.

[DoubtingThomas]

it's noted that tayl0r swift is too good for me and won't even read my posts.

[DoubtingThomas]

what's the reasoning behind not reading like 20 posts on someone who you want to get a better idea on?

PlusJOYED pretended to read and tried to misrepresent me to push me as scum. When I scraped posts which proved that he didn't read my posts, instead of reading those posts to regather his thought on why he was pushing me for literally incorrect reasons, he tried to continue to push me saying I am rude and he wanted me dead (not because I was wolfy) only after Gamma said he thinks what plusJOYED is doing dumb he tried to back out and left the thread. do think this slot his a wolf. don't see the reasons to town read them besides people meta reading them (oh they can STILL be town isn't a real reason. If plusJOYED is town I am gonna consider those who said that TMI'ing PJ) town, but when those said people aren't bothering t o explain the meta's, I have nothing to work with.

superbowl9 is my other scum read. it was noted also that PJ tried to town read them with a 'town meta' read as well. when I pressured them, they ignored me. superbowl constantly coming to thread to misrepresent and shade my posts by saying, "oh haha I am so right and everyone who is wrong is scummy!" also doesn't rub me the right way. He hasn't done much to be townie either. Weird for him to just 'avoid' me after I pressed him off the thread last night and no one was hopping on his scum read of me. then he moved his vote off to someone else without saying anything else. rubs me off the wrong way as well.

I like Guillotine's posts. Them being skeptical of me giving them town read makes sense and with the two strong scum reads I have, more reason to town read that slot. He also feels very different than the game I saw him wolf, although it was a much faster paced game.

The RapMonster profile pic guy. I think the way he approaches the thread lacks scummy agenda. Him trying to 'calm' people down is >rand townie. He's not clogging the thread, but seems like helping town in a way that wolves would not want to do. He's also been the most friendly out of all the people who I do not know (which is everyone but Guillotine and Gamma to a very slight degree), so I am almost forced to town read him and form a town core there. Similar reasons, I think Gamma reposting tier lists to immediately edit people around the tier based on ongoing events shows a townie progression. the tone on his posts when I asked him why he isn't listening to his 2/3 top town reads gave me a townie vibe.

As for chaos? i think that's the hydra slot. I initially scum read that slot tremendously along with superb, but them writing that post about 'oh DT, do you think the two scums will try to jump on you is pushing you this early into the game?' isn't necessarily t ownie, but gave me the vibe that this slot is speaking the truth. I think chaos and superb are not w/w. I might be very biased on superb. lol them constantly trying to present as if I am the one not listening to others while he is exactly doing the same thing on me tremendously annoys me. and them switching votes off of me to another person rubs me off the wrong way. HOWEVER, if superb is town, I t hink that makes chaos likely wolf because chaoas making that post makes most sense if chaos was a W who defended T!superb with TMI. I could see chaos jumping into the conversation between me and superb while being friends with superb, also having TMI on superb mocking me for trying to associate the two as a team more than any other scenario of alignment for both superb and chaos. we'll see, but i want to get PJ today at least right now.


others I really haven't read much, tbh. I really planned on trying to stay out of the thread after engaging myself with superb and chaos, but PJ trying to push me for truly dumb reasons while not even reading me really triggered me.

I do believe there is AT LEAST one wolf in PJ - Chaos - Superb. I want PJ today, but I won't be defending any of the 3

can you explain your reads too, tayl0r?

[DoubtingThomas]

noraa + superb might be fishing for a reason to go after Thomas but it's unlikely. Thomas being obstinate also feels like a towntell; scum would have less issue with fluff

Im lowkey insulted if you think this is me fishing for a mislim ToT

well while iso'ing superb, i am now thinking based on this post maybe superb/plusJOYED is not a team

[DoubtingThomas]

plusjoyed is giving town reads on his friends like government is giving out food stamps to the poor, wtf?

Plus is generally extremely hard to read. I have never ever not SRed him in a game before. Like thats how scummy I perceive him as and its so scummy that I can never stop myself. My conclusion is plus is scummy af. Just hope there is a vig in the game that vigs him. If there isn't, then you have to concentrate and make things right your own way :/

-nornor

anyone know what is odd about this post

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

“Nobody is doing anything good in the first 5 pages”
“This site’s D1 meta sucks”

Aside from being not true statements, these take YOU out of the equation and put the burden on everyone else to play how you see fit so that you can come in and start catching scum. You had the opportunity to influence the first 5 pages didn’t you? You have the opportunity to influence what we do D1 don’t you? Yet instead of DOING it you sit back and complain about how nobody is doing it for you. Even in this post I’m responding to you shift the blame to me for “not communicating to you correctly”. That’s what I mean and before you ask it’s not why I voted you

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

huh? Dynamic players scums love to have around because they naturally attract scum reads and often times push them for the scums benefits. the way you are saying it makes it sound like scums would want to kill dynamic players at night or try to push in the day? i think that's very far from the truth. maybe just my opinion

Is this gonna be a game where I have to use /s

Spoiler:

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

like talking about useless shit = beneficial to scums who benefits from thread not talking about the game

since i've played quite a few mafiascum games now, this happens every single SoD1 and honestly for the longest time

this site meta is shit. saying that it's shit doesn't mean i am 'sitting back and letting others do the work for me' in fact, no one really has done much more work than me.

besides the fact that it's not true, i am not sure how you can even get to that conclusion from what i've wrote. it's very clear that we, at the least, have different ways of understanding things, but still the communication is poor and you voting me here like that makes little sense, imo. thinking you should have voted me before, not like hours after you said something and i haven't done anything itt for your read to change on me

it also seems like you have no opinion on Guillotine or any other people that said something meaningful during that time too. seems like your push on me is fixated which is more likely scum

Ah yes we should have simply jumped into a rich analysis of the AI content available at post 2! Or maybe we should have used the “are you scum??” question, or massclaimed? SO many other options than the peabrained RVSer can comprehend.

But seriously, what have you done this game? You say my push is manufactured but has it not generated the most AI content in the game so far? If you think that anything guillotine is saying is useful that might explain things though...

see your shading continues. you dare to shade my push on him which includes a lot more than just hypocrisy by saying that hypocrisy isn't scum indicative?

lmao ok sure thats clearly what I'm doing

-nornor

yes. you don't have any logic nor facts to counter my argument but just shading me right now , aren't you?

DoubtingThomas DESTROYS liberal hydra using FACTS and LOGIC

Come on you were supposed to post that in the PT!!

Seriously. This guy is the one who provokes me without actually scum reading me and backs off like limp dick johnny when I push back. And has the audacity to constantly mock me for actually trying. ok trash

VOTE: superbowl9

[DoubtingThomas]

don't fucking complain about the game state literally every single time you are in the thread when you were the ignition to begin with. policy lynch this shit

[DoubtingThomas]

so FUCKING annoying for fuck's sake man lol. I hide your post now. Bye

[DoubtingThomas]

I feel like im in a newbie

Down to elim guillotine just to raise the level of play, you’re posting way too much for someone doing pretty much nothing VOTE: Guillotina

Gonna lurk now so i can help tmrw lmk who we mislim

What is actually helping scum is letting the dunning kruger effect run our town

it's noted that tayl0r swift is too good for me and won't even read my posts.

im not singling you out. i skimmed the thread but ughhh it was such a slog

Wanna elim in DT/Guillotine with me so we dont have to read this anymore

If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you

Check the activity log or just read the game...

Only reason im trying to policy lim is because if I had to call a scum right now it would be you

You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.

I mean and for game health like that’s the policy behind the lim

What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.

Dude are you serious? They literally wallpost about ticky-tack technicalities, focused more on proving a point than reaching an objective. They center discussion around themselves because of their (wildly undeserved) unchecked egos. Their play shows no sign of subtlety or care for sensitive information (as you yourself have pointed out) and they are OMGUS prone. It’s just typical newer player stuff. I’m kind of disappointed I have to explain any of this to you - you really think they’re helping you develop reads and that they’re taking effective actions to improve gamestate??? It feels like I’m handholding you through all this as much as I am the new people though, like do I have to explain what makes good town discussions to you? I’m more inclined to believe you’re willing to throw up easy townreads to defend those creating poor gamestate

1) Show me examples of ticky-tack technicalities that we the noobs did wallpost please.

LMAO the irony

seriously. the audacity of people who talks about policy lim and game state in half of the posts in his ISO. i expected much better from ISO'ing your shit iso after the amount of salt and complaints you've made all game, kid

[DoubtingThomas]

don't fucking complain about the game state literally every single time you are in the thread when you were the ignition to begin with. policy lynch this shit

me?

no. the person I quote

[DoubtingThomas]

backs off like limp dick johnny when I push back

I'm sorry????

not talking about you. sorry. I don't even know your name to be Johnny. I interally remember you by calling you RapMonster

[DoubtingThomas]

seriously. sorry if you were actually offended about me calling this site's meta shit, but you begin scum reading me and shittalking me and I replied. and I continued to participate, but you constantly complaining EVERY time you are in the thread while not doing much yourself and calling for policy lim on me is a narrative I don't think ever comes from a townie. I hope not. I hope you are just a wolf so we can try to be 'cool' post game. if you are town I am not sorry for anything I've done this game to you. superb

[DoubtingThomas]

it's not a PL. him being dense and scum reading me for no reason and backing off after I pushed back is scummy. then him coming back into the thread and grouping me up with guillo and trying to lynch me still now this time phrasing it as a policy lynch because i hurt game state is scummy. i scum read him tremendously as I've done since the beginning

[DoubtingThomas]

If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you

Only reason im trying to policy lim is because if I had to call a scum right now it would be you

You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.

I mean and for game health like that’s the policy behind the lim

this kind of thought I don't think comes from a townie who's had a 'joning' attitude towards the game to begin with and openly talked about how he wants to play epicmafia instead.

he doesn't care about the game for the most part, but whenever he wants to push me (and guillo) cares about them game to call for a policy lim people who are posting a lot because..?

unless you agree with superbowl's assessment of me? but gamma has already disagreed so there's 3 people who are not all scums saying superb should chill out and he doubled down on calling for policy lim

[DoubtingThomas]

So scum sB attacked you attempting for a miselim, you pushed back and he backed off? And you think that was scum superB being afraid of your reaction?

I don't think he ever backed off

no he attacked me before i really pushed anywhere. let me quote his posts where i believe he has backed off

[DoubtingThomas]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Spoiler:

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

like talking about useless shit = beneficial to scums who benefits from thread not talking about the game

since i've played quite a few mafiascum games now, this happens every single SoD1 and honestly for the longest time

this site meta is shit. saying that it's shit doesn't mean i am 'sitting back and letting others do the work for me' in fact, no one really has done much more work than me.

besides the fact that it's not true, i am not sure how you can even get to that conclusion from what i've wrote. it's very clear that we, at the least, have different ways of understanding things, but still the communication is poor and you voting me here like that makes little sense, imo. thinking you should have voted me before, not like hours after you said something and i haven't done anything itt for your read to change on me

it also seems like you have no opinion on Guillotine or any other people that said something meaningful during that time too. seems like your push on me is fixated which is more likely scum

Ah yes we should have simply jumped into a rich analysis of the AI content available at post 2! Or maybe we should have used the “are you scum??” question, or massclaimed? SO many other options than the peabrained RVSer can comprehend.

But seriously, what have you done this game? You say my push is manufactured but has it not generated the most AI content in the game so far? If you think that anything guillotine is saying is useful that might explain things though...

see your shading continues. you dare to shade my push on him which includes a lot more than just hypocrisy by saying that hypocrisy isn't scum indicative?

lmao ok sure thats clearly what I'm doing

-nornor

yes. you don't have any logic nor facts to counter my argument but just shading me right now , aren't you?

DoubtingThomas DESTROYS liberal hydra using FACTS and LOGIC

Come on you were supposed to post that in the PT!!

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

You’ll know if you’re dead by tomorrow

noraa + superb might be fishing for a reason to go after Thomas but it's unlikely. Thomas being obstinate also feels like a towntell; scum would have less issue with fluff

Im lowkey insulted if you think this is me fishing for a mislim ToT

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

If i was a town roleblocker i would roleblock you on N1 for this comment. Yah, you also know what this comment means.

Yeah watch your back buddy im coming for you tonight

I feel like im in a newbie

Down to elim guillotine just to raise the level of play, you’re posting way too much for someone doing pretty much nothing VOTE: Guillotina

He had engagements with me. Actually iirc it was after he voted me because that's when I could come into the thread. After talking and I said his push on me feels like a load of shit and when Chaos came into the thread, the two of them were mocking about how 'oh so two scums are pushing you?'

you see superB's posts about 'DOUBTINGTHOMAS DESTROYS' and 'you were supposed to say that in scum PT'

and then he left the thread, came back the day after, and you can ISO yourself, he never mentions anything about me. he talks to couple others, most notably guillotina whom he also engaged along with me the real life day before and started pushing there.

him voting me, talking to me after i come into thread, and then leaving the thread in the middle of our conversations, and coming back to the thread the day after literally not mentioning ANYTHING about me and not acknowledging any progression from me to voting guillo i consider as backing off. just feels like he actually did avoid me

[DoubtingThomas]

and then the only time he talks about me after is to complain along with the chk person that me writing paragraphs is anti town and i should be policy lim'ed

[DoubtingThomas]

yea I understand that, and that's what I tried to leave him alone too, until he's called for a policy lim on me despite leaving the thread and coming back and avoiding me. I was trying to respect his choice to avoid me thinking it was a personality clash.

However, him calling for policy lim on me, that's pretty shitty play, I guess regardless of his alignment. I am doing him a favor by saying he's a wolf not a town atp. I don't t hink a sane town will be calling for policy lim's for things I've done and in that fashion that is very outting.

[DoubtingThomas]

ok but like... lying about a read or two is ok i guess if theres a purpose for it. we probably all do that. but your scum list is all of the people who have disagreed with you, and no one else. thats not scumhunting, thats you going on an ego trip

superb's reads have been most exclusively scum reading/pushing me and guillo. really odd for you to bully guillo for that. yes it's not a great read list, but there are people who's basically doing the same thing? not sure if you ignoring superb here is because he's your out of game friend and biased (or maybe you are biased about guillo) or because he's your scum buddy

[DoubtingThomas]

ok but like... lying about a read or two is ok i guess if theres a purpose for it. we probably all do that. but your scum list is all of the people who have disagreed with you, and no one else. thats not scumhunting, thats you going on an ego trip

superb's reads have been most exclusively scum reading/pushing me and guillo. really odd for you to bully guillo for that. yes it's not a great read list, but there are people who's basically doing the same thing? not sure if you ignoring superb here is because he's your out of game friend and biased (or maybe you are biased about guillo) or because he's your scum buddy

i mean you dont see me defending superb owl either do you? earlier i was attacking both sides for being toxic. but that readlist is really garbage.

i didnt say you were protecting superbowl. i said you ignored him for guillo, which i dont know is because you've (as you have before expressed) like newcomers less (or think me and guillo are not trying to 'fit in') or some other reason

[DoubtingThomas]

If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you

They’re not leading the discussion imo? What makes you say that? And why is that vote worthy/scummy/some combination of the two? And what do you think threatening me accomplishes in getting me to see things your way?

You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.

What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.

I think Gamma has this pretty on point. It's really disgusting for him to 'threaten to vote gamma' while calling for our policy lim? what kind of town does that? "hey if you don't agree to policy limming this slot, then ima vote YOU"

[DoubtingThomas]

noraa. convince me why gamma is scum or let her live d1. she's not posting poorly unlike some of her mates in this game

[DoubtingThomas]

and Guillo, let's push superb whose ask to policy lim us for no reason yet continuing to come into thread to do nothing but complain about us and vouch for our policy lim over gamma

[DoubtingThomas]

noraa. convince me why gamma is scum or let her live d1. she's not posting poorly unlike some of her mates in this game

Rather than telling me why he isn't scum, he is choosing to discredit all of my posts by saying we're a messy hydra and dont even agree with each other.

Town NEVER does that.

Im signing as just "Noraa" to show how serious this is.

-noraa

what do you say to my point about superb doing that exact same thing replacing hydra with me being policy lim?

i will hard veto gamma elim today

[DoubtingThomas]

I’m not a normal player and I’m certainly not in my right mind rn. Don’t even fucking BEGIN to tell me what I can and can’t do as town. I am a billowing cloud of anger and hatred rn and anyone who fucks with me will PAY.

walk away from the game for a moment and come back when your state of mind is better. enough people are against your elim today, so no need to show anger in the thread at this moment.

[DoubtingThomas]

chaos 4 people have their vote on you last i checked and another 2 people are telling you that we think your push on gamma is wrong. would love to converse about the game and see where our differences come from. what is your opinion on superb and chkflip

[DoubtingThomas]

gamma not really fond of your backing off of superb for guillo even though you were arguing for guillo with superb. progressions happen, but just feels awk. maybe it's cuz of my distaste in superb. also guillo's play here seems different from 1 wolf game i've had w him. but it was for a long time in a big game. he's not the type of player to gather this much attention imo as a wolf..

BUT he was saying that his able to change his meta on either alignment easily? so maybe theres no point in town reading him this way

[DoubtingThomas]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

[DoubtingThomas]

I would compromise on pob BM idk if that has support though. Also remember the vig can take care of one slot we dont elim

this guy just wants to kill anyone he can atp. no compromise

[DoubtingThomas]

someone else besides superb (cuz i am not talking to them anymore) point to any real scum reads that superb has had? he's called for me and guillo's policy lim and then now a 'compromise' on pob long? lol why is this town again?

[DoubtingThomas]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

it's page 34, i've only just got here and i wanna see some action already

so ur scum hunting game is to kill anyone who's low activity first? i am guessing that you don't win much

[DoubtingThomas]

Gamma-Tom-Aristo

who tf is tom?

-weirdedoutnornor

why are your top 3 scum picks not including pob long?

[DoubtingThomas]

you claimed that a 3 person scum team but wants a low poster dead because you want 'something to happen'? in d1? i don't really buy this

[DoubtingThomas]

why don't you want to vote superb, battle mage

[DoubtingThomas]

frankly, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done. that's almost exclusively what scums do.

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

we are not yeeting pob long today

[DoubtingThomas]

let's say we kill pob long today. and literally 50-50 chance he flips W. Worst case scenairo is he flips V. Best case scenario is he flips W.

He flipped W. Ok. Tomorrow, me, superb, chaos, guillotina, tayl0r, you, etc will all still probably be alive. Thread is gonna derail again, get heated again, no solving will be completed and we would pretty much have to be lucky to land a wolf. don't forget the chance of him just being V.

Imo, no one is really reading superb town. I don't understand the invisible resistance to this wagon. At least Guillo at one point was town read by gamma? i think and chaos. his posts have not been great either, but superb is more scummy. he just wants to kill people anyone he can, even at the excuse of a policy lim. The fact that you aren't recognizing this isn't townie at all, my friend.

[DoubtingThomas]

let's say we kill pob long today. and literally 50-50 chance he flips W. Worst case scenairo is he flips V. Best case scenario is he flips W.

He flipped W. Ok. Tomorrow, me, superb, chaos, guillotina, tayl0r, you, etc will all still probably be alive. Thread is gonna derail again, get heated again, no solving will be completed and we would pretty much have to be lucky to land a wolf. don't forget the chance of him just being V.

Imo, no one is really reading superb town. I don't understand the invisible resistance to this wagon. At least Guillo at one point was town read by gamma? i think and chaos. his posts have not been great

gradually over time up to the most recent point

either, but superb is more scummy. he just wants to kill people anyone he can, even at the excuse of a policy lim. The fact that you aren't recognizing this isn't townie at all, my friend.

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't understand you complaining about how nothing is getting done by 34 pages and in how in your other games we are at d4 again, but when I ask you, you are saying that you were merely pressuring him and that you are not truly trying to get him killed.

I want you to take a stance on superb

[DoubtingThomas]

if you really want this game to progress and have action we elim out of superb-guillo-chaos (personal preference is superb) and start afresh d2

[DoubtingThomas]

frankly

, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done.

LOL no dude, you're way off here. It's

pro-town

to actually look at everybody, rather than just going with the consensus by default. Additionally, we have like a week until deadline, so there's plenty of time to get more info if you want and yet you're getting precious about a couple of 2/3 person wagons. It's not "starting everything all over again", it's just adding something new to the conversation. Although from your passionate statement above, it sounds like you're awfully worried about moving away from that existing consensus?

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

This just reads like a cop-out for not looking at pob long. it's not inherently zero info to look at someone who hasn't been suspected (because info can follow from that), and it's definitely not anti-town.

Your argument is valid if this was a brand new game. You subbed in and we have 33 pages -as you've complained- of info solely on others, and NOT on pob long. who is pob long's partners IF he flips W? your case on him is literally 'oh he MAY be a low effort wolf and i don't have tolerance for that' you don't have a legit scum read.

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Doubting Thomas

I think I'm happier on this one today. Very informative too!

hmm yeah that's not townie

[DoubtingThomas]

guillo-superb-chaos

if this was truly the "consensus", a new guy shouldn't be able to make any waves. The fact that the new guy can just means that its not consensus.

-norbear

the 3 of you have total of 8/12 votes. that's what i mean by consensus? not that every single vote has to be locked and tunneled. you really think killing pob long after all this day is gonna do us any good? at the literal 50-50% chance of him being literal rand of an alignment? i don't think so

[DoubtingThomas]

if you really want this game to progress and have action we elim out of superb-guillo-chaos (personal preference is superb) and start afresh d2

you're nowhere near elimming any of that trio by my count, and I can't understand why you're so hung up on that pool.

what. lol. you are trying to pretend you are townie by trying to start additional confusion in what is already a shitfest of a game. the game's already have 30 pages of info. looking at a low effort slot that literally hasn't done anything to be townie nor scummy is not pro-town, bro.

[DoubtingThomas]

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

this is not someone you were voting thinking you are considering 'every one'

it reads more like a scum slot subbed in who wants to stir the pot. and for you to come to the conclusion that i am scummy for apparently no reason is very noted too.

[DoubtingThomas]

don't forget town vig, that's the slot that was caught literally lying to my face. has 0 town equity. would prob shoot there, if i were a vig

[DoubtingThomas]

considering all 12 players at the start of the game = sure, townie

joining an already very progressed and involved game and trying to start a brand new push on someone who hasn't posted (=not scummy nor townie) just for the sake of 'pressuring =/= considering everyone in the mind of a town slot =/= townie

[DoubtingThomas]

If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you

They’re not leading the discussion imo? What makes you say that? And why is that vote worthy/scummy/some combination of the two? And what do you think threatening me accomplishes in getting me to see things your way?

you think directing vig is scummy? then you must really think superbowl is scummy for threatening someone else for not voting another person, right? or you didn't read superb much?

[DoubtingThomas]

Full set-up can be found here.
2 Cannibal Mafia Goons
1 Cannibal Serial Killer
1 Cannibal Vigilante
1 Town Gunsmith (Dietician)
1 Town Roleblocker
6 Vanilla Townies

serious, Chaos?

[DoubtingThomas]

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

this is not someone you were voting thinking you are considering 'every one'

it reads more like a scum slot subbed in who wants to stir the pot. and for you to come to the conclusion that i am scummy for apparently no reason is very noted too.

"very noted"? oh wow, nice added emphasis your emotiveness is one thing which gives you away, as well as the continual appeals to honesty (which is a good indicator for newb-scum).

but i am not a newb-scum, so that must make me town haha

[DoubtingThomas]

battle mage is probably the SK lol

[DoubtingThomas]

battle mage is probably the SK lol

nah I'm just town dude. Although maybe you're pre-occupied with the SK because you're mafia?

clearly not occupied with SK if you read my posts (the first time i ever mentioned sk all game). I have a pretty solid and reasonable scum pool as my thoughts were very transparent. you tend to think 1 post means i've done X all game. if you don't do that, you might have a better game (regardless of alignment)

[DoubtingThomas]

how is directing town PR alignment indicative? you are telling me you havent seen towns ever make those posts? lol

[DoubtingThomas]

i'm the daddy

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

it's page 34, i've only just got here and i wanna see some action already

so ur scum hunting game is to kill anyone who's low activity first? i am guessing that you don't win much

pfft you bitch! my win rate is in my sig

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

don't demand respect from others when you are calling yourself daddy and me a bitch in the first post you address me. lol. so fucking rude it's kind of insane

[DoubtingThomas]

fucking boomers are always living in their own world. treat others like shit, and when they get a slap back it's the other's fault? mmmmmm yes

[DoubtingThomas]

fucking boomers are always living in their own world.

treat others like shit

, and when they get a slap back it's the other's fault? mmmmmm yes

lol oh boo hoo, I'll get the violins shall I? You spent most of this game shitting on everyone else (which you apparently call "content"), must be a shock to have someone call you out, eh?

me guessing your win rate is low after joining in, barely reading, not adding any real content besides trying to 'turn the heat on' a low effort slot and when pressured by me just saying 'i was just pressuring them' is a pretty objectively bad start to the game. i didn't call you a shitty player initially, though, i said i am guessing you dont win much? which is my own GUESS as said. it does not warrant for you to call me a bitch, and you've definitely insulted me before i insulted you in response.

nice job trying to turn the tables and trying to make this game a personal thing more than mafia solving. i won't fall for that weak tactic, you scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

anyway, let's turn up the heat on pob long!

you literally said you haven't caught up completely, yet the first thing you were trying to do was 'turning the heat up on pob long' that is objectively bad play because you are outting as a scum. no townies should be doing this.

[DoubtingThomas]

nice misrepresentation of my posts. that confirms that you don't really read posts.

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

hi Noraa

Oh hi bm

hi Johnny

are you scum?

if not, who is scum?

did i claim yet?

if so, what?

BM is it time for us to team up again? Knowing you you'll think I rolled scum this game

*peeks out from covers* is A50 here too?

superbowl, are we townblocking? i havent read anything yet, so early preview welcome!

hi Noraa

BM!!!!!!!!

-excitednornor

<3 I'm excited to see you too, and also at peace with the fact you being here means I don't need to worry about anything after this dayphase.

PLEASE because right now the townblock is weird gamma and 2 newbies

great, who are the newbies? and who are we elimming?

Town!Taylor doesn't give two shits what anyone thinks about anything/anyone. Hmmmmmm.

thats true but i do caere about the game being fun due to limited toxicity. the game is currently not meeting that threshold.

don't worry, I'm here...to...uh....save the day?

I see no reason to continue spending my freetime playing a forum game to be insulted by strangers on the internet who obsess on winning a game with no stakes behind it. I don't feel like I'm the only one who feels this game has become toxic either. I'm replacing out.

This is should get modkilled!

I hope i dont have to explain why.

what the fk is this?

this is the most toxic mafia game I've ever played

what an endorsement! no wonder Marashu was so keen to let me rep in...

I'm enjoying the read so far- will work my way through over the next couple of days.

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

oh yes, you were the one who tried to get my predecessor modkilled

it's alright, seems there always one clever clogs in every game nowadays who thinks that shit is funny.

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

I sort of like the progression in Catboi's ISO, as it has the vibe of genuine solving. But it's also pretty cagey and not throwing a lot of shade.

Catboi - who are your top scumreads today?

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

Also, can you explain to me what “stawmanning” is please?

strawmanning is when you suggest someone is making a particular argument, which they are not making, and then proceed to explain why that argument doesn't hold.

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

because you're arguing about sod all for the sake of it.

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

I am sorry, but these are all the posts that you've said before trying to push pob long.

You made one post about being not sure on guillotina and you liking progression that catboi's made. you really think those are real reads? you had 20 posts before making that push on poblong, and all the other posts are you asking empty questions to not go off on additional questioning, making transparent thoughts or making friendly remarks.

sorry, but you didn't make reads, no. it's a fact.

[DoubtingThomas]

I said you haven't done any solving at the point of you trying to push pob long for low efforting. that is a true statement because you've only tried any solving on me and that was even after I joined the thread and engaged YOU. not because you were really solving me. and it's very evident that you haven't read any of my posts.

[DoubtingThomas]

it's funny that you say I couldn't handle the scrutiny on anynone outside of the 3 biggest wagons. lol. why would a scum!dt give any shit about towns trying to go wild and putting more people into the PoE? are you thinking clearly here?

[DoubtingThomas]

no. I would encourage more people to put more people in the PoE to stir further confusion, because having only 3 people in the PoE is a pretty terrible scum play.

[DoubtingThomas]

I haven’t seen DT put his ego out into the thread like a bronzed horse turd, so that’s why I haven’t reacted will the same distaste towards him as towards you. Plus I HAVE played with him before, so I know him better than I know you. Inb4 some idiotic remark about “you posing a threat to me since I don’t know you”. I know DT as someone with a bit of a bitter temperament. Setting him off is something I think is bad for the game and myself. Obviously some people didn’t realize that and are now trying to act like DT is the one solely at fault.

I think this is a pretty townie defense of gamma. scum gamma could easily have at least made some sorts of push on me when I was getting heat, he hasn't and this explanation matches with my initial impression on gamma. maybe i am just pocketed by gamma for being the few that is actually defending me, but i think this is a pretty accurate analysis of what's been going on itt, as the three people that i've 'shit on' as some say all started with the other slot trying to push me for reasons i didn't understand. i think gamma making this analysis is less likely to come from a scum who is mainly focused on blending in and stirring confusion. could still be an SK, as they naturally play differently than how scums do, but i think gamma's play other than this has also been largely townie. don't understand what chaos take on gamma is either. i have a - at this point too much of a - firm scum candidates, so until they are flipped and proven to be town i am probably not re evaluating gamma

[DoubtingThomas]

maybe i am just pocketed by gamma for being the few that is actually defending me

you currently have 1 vote, and it's by a shit player called Battle Mage. Why the appeal to emotion here?

defending here is not just about being scum read. your predecessor and superb has also largely pushed me, even calling out for a policy lim for superb which gamma also has disagreed with superb on

the others haven't really expressed any strong stance on me otherwise tohugh, meaning they haven't defended me.

[DoubtingThomas]

still waiting on someone to post superb's scum reads besides calling for policy lim on me and guillo and then now trying to compromise on pob long, btw

[DoubtingThomas]

you scum.

I just realized something. Plus looked really towny from the doubtingxPlus interaction. Doubting had plus in their SRs and then dropped it for no reason and replaced our hydra in. Originally, we weren't there. Doubting does seem to be very go-with-the-flow-y. I'll be consulting with my other head soon.

-nornor

go with the flow-y? you mean making the flow? i can't be attacked for shitting on people and hogging the thread to be called policy lim for and then also be scum read for going with the flow?

[DoubtingThomas]

someone else besides superb (cuz i am not talking to them anymore) point to any real scum reads that superb has had? he's called for me and guillo's policy lim and then now a 'compromise' on pob long? lol why is this town again?

Yeah superb actually sorted in my last game with him and did at least okay at it. That’s why I asked if I am overrating his skill earlier.

Kind of hard to sort when all our interactions are lead by the 3 stooges

superb yet to make an independent scum read outside of me and guillo policy lynch call and in the thread again just to complain about me

ughhhhhhhh this cannot go unpunished, fr

[DoubtingThomas]

superb's main reason for scum reading guillo is because they should be policy elimed haha don't listen to him

[DoubtingThomas]

hey guys this ain't the scum PT, fyi

[DoubtingThomas]

that's a good try!

[DoubtingThomas]

[DoubtingThomas]

frankly, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done. that's almost exclusively what scums do.

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

we are not yeeting pob long today

The entire boon of replacement players lies in them threshing the existing sands of the game for hidden gems of insight left undiscovered or dismissed. You would have them not seek such treasures?

yes i am all open to new players looking at things that may have been left undiscovered/dismissed. however i dont think the way and the topic (of one low effort slot out of a quite a few) having to be 'pressured' for them to play the game was townie

[DoubtingThomas]

I haven't really cared for anything superbowl has said, when I subbed in the slapfight with DT looked ego-based but he mostly seems keen on voting people for being annoying rather than finding scumreads?

I am understanding this statement as superbowl looked ego-based and mostly seems keen on voting people for being annoying, yes?

That was my take, and like after a couple days has passed for him to cool down, that is still how I feel most of his participation in the thread is, with regards to Guillotina as well as he seems less town read than I am. I don't think this push is genuine, and I don't really see any pushes that seems based on logic/solving from superb, and I think that's very wolfy here.

If my understanding of your statement is correct, I think you are townie for mindmelding with me there

[DoubtingThomas]

Not really easy to explain. My feeling is, may be loud, annoying, distracting, but that doesn't necessarily add up to scummy, even if his case is bad I don't think it's a rabbit hole scum goes down. I also agree with battle mage in that I don't expect scum to pursue a loud, high-impact approach to the game on day 1 in this setup.

I missed that battle mage said that. I mean what is your take on him then pushing that I am scum despite me being like almost an upgrade of guillo if he's town read him for that?

[DoubtingThomas]

I understand there's a chance (a low one, I hope) that I am wrong on superb and/or battle mage.

But I think even in that world (which I don't believe in right now, ftr), the way catboi has approached the argument has been extremely townie. I guess it's similar to how I town read gamma, but I think it's lacked scum agenda and I can literally feel the townie-neutralness of someone that is really trying to solve the game despite the thread not being friendly at all. Ima town read there

[DoubtingThomas]

as for noraa, there was one post where she based an entire read on my slot that was hyperfocused on my treatment of her. like those hyperfocused stuff which has an inherent implication of assuming their slot is town and working on solving other people on that presumption is town indicative. it's quite difficult to do that as scum. it's hard to explain so y'all might not understand what i am trying to say but

[DoubtingThomas]

man gamma and i share so many thoughts that i am almost scared i am hard pocketed.. but i wont tinfoil yet at least. if you are town, very good to play w you this game

[DoubtingThomas]

I wasn’t trying to be rude, but it seems every game I’ve played with you you’ve gotten cocksure, and every time regardless of my alignment it’s alienated me towards you. I think if you dialed it down you’d make a better impression on me.

when you tell someone to not be rude, but then a 3rd person tells you the same thing to you:



just banter

[DoubtingThomas]

if you really want this game to progress and have action we elim out of superb-guillo-chaos (personal preference is superb) and start afresh d2

Hmmmm what? So, you town read me but you are ok with putting me in that 3-name PoE list? just for the sake of getting more information? Like if you can't negotiate superb, then you'd consider me over chaos? After mindmelding with me about how bad it is to yeet pob long?

Look, the policy lynch proposed by superb is bad and will never happen, but your proposal looks even worse man.

Like really, I'm astonished.

You haven't replied to 782 either.

i put you in there because you are one of the top wagons and a lot of others are trying to vote you off. i probably wont vote there. that's not my PoE. in fact i dont feel comfortable voting even chaos anymore. i think i only vote out of superb and battle mage today

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

what's the reasoning behind not reading like 20 posts on someone who you want to get a better idea on?

PlusJOYED pretended to read and tried to misrepresent me to push me as scum. When I scraped posts which proved that he didn't read my posts, instead of reading those posts to regather his thought on why he was pushing me for literally incorrect reasons, he tried to continue to push me saying I am rude and he wanted me dead (not because I was wolfy) only after Gamma said he thinks what plusJOYED is doing dumb he tried to back out and left the thread. do think this slot his a wolf. don't see the reasons to town read them besides people meta reading them (oh they can STILL be town isn't a real reason. If plusJOYED is town I am gonna consider those who said that TMI'ing PJ) town, but when those said people aren't bothering t o explain the meta's, I have nothing to work with.

superbowl9 is my other scum read. it was noted also that PJ tried to town read them with a 'town meta' read as well. when I pressured them, they ignored me. superbowl constantly coming to thread to misrepresent and shade my posts by saying, "oh haha I am so right and everyone who is wrong is scummy!" also doesn't rub me the right way. He hasn't done much to be townie either. Weird for him to just 'avoid' me after I pressed him off the thread last night and no one was hopping on his scum read of me. then he moved his vote off to someone else without saying anything else. rubs me off the wrong way as well.

I like Guillotine's posts. Them being skeptical of me giving them town read makes sense and with the two strong scum reads I have, more reason to town read that slot. He also feels very different than the game I saw him wolf, although it was a much faster paced game.

The RapMonster profile pic guy. I think the way he approaches the thread lacks scummy agenda. Him trying to 'calm' people down is >rand townie. He's not clogging the thread, but seems like helping town in a way that wolves would not want to do. He's also been the most friendly out of all the people who I do not know (which is everyone but Guillotine and Gamma to a very slight degree), so I am almost forced to town read him and form a town core there. Similar reasons, I think Gamma reposting tier lists to immediately edit people around the tier based on ongoing events shows a townie progression. the tone on his posts when I asked him why he isn't listening to his 2/3 top town reads gave me a townie vibe.

As for chaos? i think that's the hydra slot. I initially scum read that slot tremendously along with superb, but them writing that post about 'oh DT, do you think the two scums will try to jump on you is pushing you this early into the game?' isn't necessarily t ownie, but gave me the vibe that this slot is speaking the truth. I think chaos and superb are not w/w. I might be very biased on superb. lol them constantly trying to present as if I am the one not listening to others while he is exactly doing the same thing on me tremendously annoys me. and them switching votes off of me to another person rubs me off the wrong way. HOWEVER, if superb is town, I t hink that makes chaos likely wolf because chaoas making that post makes most sense if chaos was a W who defended T!superb with TMI. I could see chaos jumping into the conversation between me and superb while being friends with superb, also having TMI on superb mocking me for trying to associate the two as a team more than any other scenario of alignment for both superb and chaos. we'll see, but i want to get PJ today at least right now.


others I really haven't read much, tbh. I really planned on trying to stay out of the thread after engaging myself with superb and chaos, but PJ trying to push me for truly dumb reasons while not even reading me really triggered me.

I do believe there is AT LEAST one wolf in PJ - Chaos - Superb. I want PJ today, but I won't be defending any of the 3

can you explain your reads too, tayl0r?

If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you

They’re not leading the discussion imo? What makes you say that? And why is that vote worthy/scummy/some combination of the two? And what do you think threatening me accomplishes in getting me to see things your way?

You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.

What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.

I think Gamma has this pretty on point. It's really disgusting for him to 'threaten to vote gamma' while calling for our policy lim? what kind of town does that? "hey if you don't agree to policy limming this slot, then ima vote YOU"

noraa. convince me why gamma is scum or let her live d1. she's not posting poorly unlike some of her mates in this game

noraa. convince me why gamma is scum or let her live d1. she's not posting poorly unlike some of her mates in this game

Rather than telling me why he isn't scum, he is choosing to discredit all of my posts by saying we're a messy hydra and dont even agree with each other.

Town NEVER does that.

Im signing as just "Noraa" to show how serious this is.

-noraa

what do you say to my point about superb doing that exact same thing replacing hydra with me being policy lim?

i will hard veto gamma elim today

I’m not a normal player and I’m certainly not in my right mind rn. Don’t even fucking BEGIN to tell me what I can and can’t do as town. I am a billowing cloud of anger and hatred rn and anyone who fucks with me will PAY.

walk away from the game for a moment and come back when your state of mind is better. enough people are against your elim today, so no need to show anger in the thread at this moment.

chaos 4 people have their vote on you last i checked and another 2 people are telling you that we think your push on gamma is wrong. would love to converse about the game and see where our differences come from. what is your opinion on superb and chkflip

gamma not really fond of your backing off of superb for guillo even though you were arguing for guillo with superb. progressions happen, but just feels awk. maybe it's cuz of my distaste in superb. also guillo's play here seems different from 1 wolf game i've had w him. but it was for a long time in a big game. he's not the type of player to gather this much attention imo as a wolf..

BUT he was saying that his able to change his meta on either alignment easily? so maybe theres no point in town reading him this way

I haven’t seen DT put his ego out into the thread like a bronzed horse turd, so that’s why I haven’t reacted will the same distaste towards him as towards you. Plus I HAVE played with him before, so I know him better than I know you. Inb4 some idiotic remark about “you posing a threat to me since I don’t know you”. I know DT as someone with a bit of a bitter temperament. Setting him off is something I think is bad for the game and myself. Obviously some people didn’t realize that and are now trying to act like DT is the one solely at fault.

I think this is a pretty townie defense of gamma. scum gamma could easily have at least made some sorts of push on me when I was getting heat, he hasn't and this explanation matches with my initial impression on gamma. maybe i am just pocketed by gamma for being the few that is actually defending me, but i think this is a pretty accurate analysis of what's been going on itt, as the three people that i've 'shit on' as some say all started with the other slot trying to push me for reasons i didn't understand. i think gamma making this analysis is less likely to come from a scum who is mainly focused on blending in and stirring confusion. could still be an SK, as they naturally play differently than how scums do, but i think gamma's play other than this has also been largely townie. don't understand what chaos take on gamma is either. i have a - at this point too much of a - firm scum candidates, so until they are flipped and proven to be town i am probably not re evaluating gamma

man gamma and i share so many thoughts that i am almost scared i am hard pocketed.. but i wont tinfoil yet at least. if you are town, very good to play w you this game

these are my entire progression over this game on gamma slot, guillotina. i don't know why you think i was avoiding gamma

[DoubtingThomas]

Tbh DT comes off as a similar person to ABR. Abrasive, but not deliberately, he just doesn’t filter himself.

yes you wouldn't be first to say this. before when my style was even more raw, I've heard people compare me to 'abrasive' players. like radiant cowbells for one.

who is ABR?

[DoubtingThomas]

as for noraa, there was one post where she based an entire read on my slot that was hyperfocused on my treatment of her. like those hyperfocused stuff which has an inherent implication of assuming their slot is town and working on solving other people on that presumption is town indicative. it's quite difficult to do that as scum. it's hard to explain so y'all might not understand what i am trying to say but

weren't you just saying I was scum?

-nornor

?

just because i said the town consensus lynch pool includes you does not mean i scum read you on personal level. looks like a lot of people's reading comprehension is lacking right now for some reason

[DoubtingThomas]

surprise surprise battle mage is laughing at my posts instead of scum reading it we have two scums already folks!

[DoubtingThomas]

it seems every game I’ve played with you you’ve gotten cocksure, and every time regardless of my alignment it’s alienated me towards you.

[DoubtingThomas]

:clap clap clap:

[DoubtingThomas]

ok you can stop being useless

[DoubtingThomas]

Town!Taylor doesn't give two shits what anyone thinks about anything/anyone. Hmmmmmm.

thats true but i do caere about the game being fun due to limited toxicity. the game is currently not meeting that threshold.

don't worry, I'm here...to...uh....save the day?

I see no reason to continue spending my freetime playing a forum game to be insulted by strangers on the internet who obsess on winning a game with no stakes behind it. I don't feel like I'm the only one who feels this game has become toxic either. I'm replacing out.

This is should get modkilled!

I hope i dont have to explain why.

what the fk is this?

this is the most toxic mafia game I've ever played

what an endorsement! no wonder Marashu was so keen to let me rep in...

I'm enjoying the read so far- will work my way through over the next couple of days.

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

oh yes, you were the one who tried to get my predecessor modkilled

it's alright, seems there always one clever clogs in every game nowadays who thinks that shit is funny.

i'm the daddy

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

it's page 34, i've only just got here and i wanna see some action already

so ur scum hunting game is to kill anyone who's low activity first? i am guessing that you don't win much

pfft you bitch! my win rate is in my sig

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

this is not someone you were voting thinking you are considering 'every one'

it reads more like a scum slot subbed in who wants to stir the pot. and for you to come to the conclusion that i am scummy for apparently no reason is very noted too.

"very noted"? oh wow, nice added emphasis your emotiveness is one thing which gives you away, as well as the continual appeals to honesty (which is a good indicator for newb-scum).

If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you

They’re not leading the discussion imo? What makes you say that? And why is that vote worthy/scummy/some combination of the two? And what do you think threatening me accomplishes in getting me to see things your way?

you think directing vig is scummy? then you must really think superbowl is scummy for threatening someone else for not voting another person, right? or you didn't read superb much?

you're comparing apples with oranges here buddy. superbowl suggesting he might vote for somebody is...a fundamental part of the game. Quite different to directing town PRs.

Also if you really want people to engage with you, I can't help but feel you'd be a bit more respectful. Especially to those with a lot more experience than yourself.

battle mage is probably the SK lol

nah I'm just town dude. Although maybe you're pre-occupied with the SK because you're mafia?

clearly not occupied with SK if you read my posts (the first time i ever mentioned sk all game). I have a pretty solid and reasonable scum pool as my thoughts were very transparent. you tend to think 1 post means i've done X all game. if you don't do that, you might have a better game (regardless of alignment)

i'm glad i don't play wherever you normally play, if everyone just talks to each other like shit

i'm the daddy

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

it's page 34, i've only just got here and i wanna see some action already

so ur scum hunting game is to kill anyone who's low activity first? i am guessing that you don't win much

pfft you bitch! my win rate is in my sig

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

don't demand respect from others when you are calling yourself daddy and me a bitch in the first post you address me. lol. so fucking rude it's kind of insane

the "daddy" thing is a site-wide joke/gimmick. I don't even know where it originated from, but then I have no idea why you'd take it personally.

I called you out as a bitch because you acted like one towards me by saying I was a bad player for no reason.

The bottom line is, be nice to people, and they'll be nice to you. If you act like a shit, people will treat you like one.

fucking boomers are always living in their own world.

treat others like shit

, and when they get a slap back it's the other's fault? mmmmmm yes

lol oh boo hoo, I'll get the violins shall I? You spent most of this game shitting on everyone else (which you apparently call "content"), must be a shock to have someone call you out, eh?

fucking boomers are always living in their own world.

treat others like shit

, and when they get a slap back it's the other's fault? mmmmmm yes

lol oh boo hoo, I'll get the violins shall I? You spent most of this game shitting on everyone else (which you apparently call "content"), must be a shock to have someone call you out, eh?

me guessing your win rate is low after joining in, barely reading, not adding any real content besides trying to 'turn the heat on' a low effort slot and when pressured by me just saying 'i was just pressuring them' is a pretty objectively bad start to the game. i didn't call you a shitty player initially, though, i said i am guessing you dont win much? which is my own GUESS as said. it does not warrant for you to call me a bitch, and you've definitely insulted me before i insulted you in response.

nice job trying to turn the tables and trying to make this game a personal thing more than mafia solving. i won't fall for that weak tactic, you scum.

I can only GUESS you rub a lot of people up the wrong way with your shitty attitude. and it's a bit rich saying I haven't done any solving, when I've given actual reasons to think you're scum, whereas you're just idly peddling "BM is scum, because BM is scum"

I said you haven't done any solving at the point of you trying to push pob long for low efforting. that is a true statement because you've only tried any solving on me and that was even after I joined the thread and engaged YOU. not because you were really solving me. and

it's very evident that you haven't read any of my posts

.

eh, if you're gonna continue to be ridiculous, there's no point in me engaging you. it's inconceivable you're town at this point.

I haven’t seen DT put his ego out into the thread like a bronzed horse turd

WHAT??? Are we reading the same posts??

oh Noraa, I feel your pain. I alt-slipped so much in my last hydra game, my main account posted more than some of the actual players.

there's literally no consensus on anybody though...

I mean we only have about 7 active players anyways, Nora and johnny both TR DT so i don't think we're getting them, I think it's just me and you willing to hop on atp

I think Guillotina could be on board?

damnit, this game needs some more life

I thought your pob idea was a good one, but apparently we were vetoed by the big 3 on that too -.-

im getting flashbacks to 'the other hood'

frankly, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done. that's almost exclusively what scums do.

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

we are not yeeting pob long today

The entire boon of replacement players lies in them threshing the existing sands of the game for hidden gems of insight left undiscovered or dismissed. You would have them not seek such treasures?

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

this is not someone you were voting thinking you are considering 'every one'

it reads more like a scum slot subbed in who wants to stir the pot. and for you to come to the conclusion that i am scummy for apparently no reason is very noted too.

"very noted"? oh wow, nice added emphasis your emotiveness is one thing which gives you away, as well as the continual appeals to honesty (which is a good indicator for newb-scum).

Okay yeah I think I’ve had enough of the inflated confidence from you, on a universal level. Stop being a condescending loony and actually read things with genuine intent to solve, not trying to pick it apart like raw cotton.

Gamma, are you a hydra? I can't believe these 2 posts came from the same guy

I know you said earlier you didn't wanna say anything to Doubting Thomas as you didn't want to upset him or whatever, but that doesn't mean it's open season to be a jerk to me. Knock it off.

man gamma and i share so many thoughts that i am almost scared i am hard pocketed.. but i wont tinfoil yet at least. if you are town, very good to play w you this game

i'd love to be scum in a game with you as town

On Superbowl, probably lean town, he feels similar to our last game together where we were masons.

He literally feels completely different to that game imo. What is similar to you??

*shrug* do you actually want an explanation, or will you just accuse me of having an inflated ego for disagreeing with you?

Noraa - you wanna join on Doubting wagon?

Not particularly tho I do see some interesting things there.

-nobear

oops

i tried to tell you

there's something quite endearing about you signing your posts even on your own account

*sits down and meditates*
*Throws some more plates*
*sits down once more*
*breathe in*
*breathe out*
*screams*
>:(

it's just lucky you didn't decide to be anonymous this game

BM I would hop on DT with you but it seems like they are widely townread there so I think wagoning is somewhat futile. Guillo is more likely to pick up steam from my perspective

this is not a townpost

chkflip is town.

VOTE: Chaos Triforce

They literally have hydra partners.

There's no planet where "tHeRe'S a ViG?" isn't a fake town slip.

except its not a townslip at all because its an open setup and town can see the info as easily as anyone. its just noraa proving she doesnt know how to read setup info

Noraa - you wanna join on Doubting wagon?

Not particularly tho I do see some interesting things there.

-nobear

[DoubtingThomas]

i am so cool and useful

[DoubtingThomas]

Oh hi bm

hi Johnny

are you scum?

if not, who is scum?

did i claim yet?

if so, what?

BM is it time for us to team up again? Knowing you you'll think I rolled scum this game

*peeks out from covers* is A50 here too?

hi Noraa

BM!!!!!!!!

-excitednornor

<3 I'm excited to see you too, and also at peace with the fact you being here means I don't need to worry about anything after this dayphase.

Town!Taylor doesn't give two shits what anyone thinks about anything/anyone. Hmmmmmm.

thats true but i do caere about the game being fun due to limited toxicity. the game is currently not meeting that threshold.

don't worry, I'm here...to...uh....save the day?

I see no reason to continue spending my freetime playing a forum game to be insulted by strangers on the internet who obsess on winning a game with no stakes behind it. I don't feel like I'm the only one who feels this game has become toxic either. I'm replacing out.

This is should get modkilled!

I hope i dont have to explain why.

what the fk is this?

this is the most toxic mafia game I've ever played

what an endorsement! no wonder Marashu was so keen to let me rep in...

I'm enjoying the read so far- will work my way through over the next couple of days.

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

oh yes, you were the one who tried to get my predecessor modkilled

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

because you're arguing about sod all for the sake of it.

Im sorry, can you elaborate on that?

Arguing about sod

?

lol in my country "sod all" is a nice way of saying "fk all" i.e. nothing

where are you from?

anyway, let's turn up the heat on pob long!

i dont like to pretend that my scumreads are definitely scum.

hey, is that a shot at me?

i dont like to pretend that my scumreads are definitely scum.

hey, is that a shot at me?

it wasnt meant that way. you have definitely done that in the past, but new leaf right?

hmm, wasn't

pretending

, just confident...

i'm the daddy

my last open game had already finished by now.

i think the rules state that you have to post once every 48 hours, and if you fail to do so you get prodded. after a prod you have 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

What is getting “prodded” by the way? I keep seeing the term here. Like a warning?

a prod is a private message saying "please post". In reality, and especially in a game like this, Mods are not always meticulous on prodding after that time frame. And pob long HAS posted, he just hasn't said much.

No comment from Taylor on pob long?

I looked into pob long ISO and he has not posted since Nov 13 so... I think he will most likely get substituted and if he comes back and posts again we push him to get more out of him and we make a decision based on that.

a good way to push someone is to vote for them.

also, i doubt he's getting substituted, it's the weekend

doubting thomas - sorry I got a bit friendly!

right. I call them "doubting" lmao. tom sounds better. Maybe I ought to do that.

-nornorthedumdum

depends really - are you doubting them?

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

it's page 34, i've only just got here and i wanna see some action already

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive

too long

. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

it's day 1. lol

it's page 34, i've only just got here and i wanna see some action already

so ur scum hunting game is to kill anyone who's low activity first? i am guessing that you don't win much

pfft you bitch! my win rate is in my sig

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

you claimed that a 3 person scum team but wants a low poster dead because you want 'something to happen'? in d1? i don't really buy this

that was just my hero solve for the end-game cred. I'm less convinced on Gamma now, but I still think you're pretty scummy.

What's not to buy? Dude, in my last Open game we had literally completed 4 gamedays by this stage.

why don't you want to vote, superb battle mage

thanks for the compliment i guess, i'll let you off the earlier diss

frankly

, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done.

LOL no dude, you're way off here. It's

pro-town

to actually look at everybody, rather than just going with the consensus by default. Additionally, we have like a week until deadline, so there's plenty of time to get more info if you want and yet you're getting precious about a couple of 2/3 person wagons. It's not "starting everything all over again", it's just adding something new to the conversation. Although from your passionate statement above, it sounds like you're awfully worried about moving away from that existing consensus?

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

This just reads like a cop-out for not looking at pob long. it's not inherently zero info to look at someone who hasn't been suspected (because info can follow from that), and it's definitely not anti-town.

VOTE: Doubting Thomas

I think I'm happier on this one today. Very informative too!

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

this is not someone you were voting thinking you are considering 'every one'

it reads more like a scum slot subbed in who wants to stir the pot. and for you to come to the conclusion that i am scummy for apparently no reason is very noted too.

"very noted"? oh wow, nice added emphasis your emotiveness is one thing which gives you away, as well as the continual appeals to honesty (which is a good indicator for newb-scum).

don't forget town vig, that's the slot that was caught literally lying to my face. has 0 town equity. would prob shoot there, if i were a vig

you're trying to direct the vig now? feeling good about my vote (and for educational purposes, this is the sort of info that can be garnered by looking outside the consensus).

and no, I'm not necessarily going to kill him, just put some pressure on.

this is not someone you were voting thinking you are considering 'every one'

it reads more like a scum slot subbed in who wants to stir the pot. and for you to come to the conclusion that i am scummy for apparently no reason is very noted too.

"very noted"? oh wow, nice added emphasis your emotiveness is one thing which gives you away, as well as the continual appeals to honesty (which is a good indicator for newb-scum).

but i am not a newb-scum, so that must make me town haha

we'll see i guess

[DoubtingThomas]

I quoted more posts but it says no more than 30 smiley faces

[DoubtingThomas]

I said you haven't done any solving at the point of you trying to push pob long for low efforting. that is a true statement because you've only tried any solving on me and that was even after I joined the thread and engaged YOU. not because you were really solving me. and

it's very evident that you haven't read any of my posts

.

eh, if you're gonna continue to be ridiculous, there's no point in me engaging you. it's inconceivable you're town at this point.

BM I would hop on DT with you but it seems like they are widely townread there so I think wagoning is somewhat futile. Guillo is more likely to pick up steam from my perspective

you dont think it would be valuable nonetheless? he seems to be crumbling under the pressure of 1 vote already.

I already did this right after we got out of RVS, I thought it made DT look like an obviously good elim target but this town does not agree so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

there's literally no consensus on anybody though...

Noraa - you wanna join on Doubting wagon?

inconsistency?

[DoubtingThomas]

you said i am town at this point and then quickly tried to beg for others to vote for me soon after

[DoubtingThomas]

all these obnoxious smiley faces don't make you look cool tho

[DoubtingThomas]

and useless scraping of posts just to laugh how mature and useful

[DoubtingThomas]

you said i am town at this point and then quickly tried to beg for others to vote for me soon after

lol please look up "inconceivable" in the dictionary if you're being serious here

how does that matter... lol? you said i am too inconceivable so that i have to be town?

[DoubtingThomas]

all these obnoxious smiley faces don't make you look cool tho

it's for the greater good if it stops you spamming the thread with giant un-spoilered posts

lol you

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry you are outted

[DoubtingThomas]

and useless scraping of posts just to laugh how mature and useful

I had lots of fun laughing at the highlights of your behaviour yes. I have no idea if the above is meant to be sarcasm though?

oh if you have no idea then maybe you should take english 101? sorry. it was sarcasm!

[DoubtingThomas]

I said you haven't done any solving at the point of you trying to push pob long for low efforting. that is a true statement because you've only tried any solving on me and that was even after I joined the thread and engaged YOU. not because you were really solving me. and

it's very evident that you haven't read any of my posts

.

eh, if you're gonna continue to be ridiculous, there's no point in me engaging you. it's inconceivable you're town at this point.

sorry but no matter how you look at this you are saying i am too inconceivable to the point that i am town. maybe you were trying to say it's inconceivable to say you're town at this point, but that's not on me. you wrote it in this manner sorry if english isn't your first language not trying to attack your linguistic skill but it reads that way. 'you are too wolfy that you are town at this point'

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

who tf is tom?

-weirdedoutnornor

why are your top 3 scum picks not including pob long?

do you think Chaos should be thinking pob long is scum? they aren't voting there?

you claimed that a 3 person scum team but wants a low poster dead because you want 'something to happen'? in d1? i don't really buy this

that was just my hero solve for the end-game cred. I'm less convinced on Gamma now, but I still think you're pretty scummy.

What's not to buy? Dude, in my last Open game we had literally completed 4 gamedays by this stage.

why don't you want to vote, superb battle mage

thanks for the compliment i guess, i'll let you off the earlier diss

frankly

, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done.

LOL no dude, you're way off here. It's

pro-town

to actually look at everybody, rather than just going with the consensus by default. Additionally, we have like a week until deadline, so there's plenty of time to get more info if you want and yet you're getting precious about a couple of 2/3 person wagons. It's not "starting everything all over again", it's just adding something new to the conversation. Although from your passionate statement above, it sounds like you're awfully worried about moving away from that existing consensus?

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

This just reads like a cop-out for not looking at pob long. it's not inherently zero info to look at someone who hasn't been suspected (because info can follow from that), and it's definitely not anti-town.

VOTE: Doubting Thomas

I think I'm happier on this one today. Very informative too!

so i am assuming this progression just means you think i was trying to protect scum!pob long or something? what a stretch of a progression if you can explain better so i can see if your thought progression actually makes sense i will appreciate it

[DoubtingThomas]

it's funny that you say I couldn't handle the scrutiny on anynone outside of the 3 biggest wagons. lol. why would a scum!dt give any shit about towns trying to go wild and putting more people into the PoE? are you thinking clearly here?

it's funny that you say I couldn't handle the scrutiny on anynone outside of the 3 biggest wagons. lol. why would a scum!dt give any shit about towns trying to go wild and putting more people into the PoE? are you thinking clearly here?

it depends who was in the PoE. If scumDT was quite happy with the pool of 3, as you obviously were, scumDT would naturally be scared of his teammates or even himself being put into the PoE. I'm baffled I actually have to explain that.

no. I would encourage more people to put more people in the PoE to stir further confusion, because having only 3 people in the PoE is a pretty terrible scum play.

can you reply to this? i am waiting

[DoubtingThomas]

Sorry Thomas, but i understood it as “there is no way you are town”, ne never townread you there.

ah ok then sorry. but also he yet continues to misrepresent my stances, as that was one of many other reasons i've already been scum reading him for it's sad people try to pretend they've read my posts when it's clear the thoughts they can have about my slot shouldn't be real if they've actually read my posts..

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

who tf is tom?

-weirdedoutnornor

why are your top 3 scum picks not including pob long?

do you think Chaos should be thinking pob long is scum? they aren't voting there?

you claimed that a 3 person scum team but wants a low poster dead because you want 'something to happen'? in d1? i don't really buy this

that was just my hero solve for the end-game cred. I'm less convinced on Gamma now, but I still think you're pretty scummy.

What's not to buy? Dude, in my last Open game we had literally completed 4 gamedays by this stage.

why don't you want to vote, superb battle mage

thanks for the compliment i guess, i'll let you off the earlier diss

frankly

, when the game has made a consensus elim pool like we did here with guillo-superb-chaos, it's very anti town for a newly subbed in person to try to add additional confusion and instead of elaborating on the consensus choice to try to start everything all over again and derail the thread by pushing low posting slots that people weren't talking about in 33/33 pages of the game thread like you've done.

LOL no dude, you're way off here. It's

pro-town

to actually look at everybody, rather than just going with the consensus by default. Additionally, we have like a week until deadline, so there's plenty of time to get more info if you want and yet you're getting precious about a couple of 2/3 person wagons. It's not "starting everything all over again", it's just adding something new to the conversation. Although from your passionate statement above, it sounds like you're awfully worried about moving away from that existing consensus?

even if you were correct on pob long coasting, it gives us more information to elim out of the consensus so there are more associations to go off of. killing pob long after what we've all discussed is about others gives us 0 info even if pob long was indeed a low effort wolf. and there's no guarantee in that either, of course.

This just reads like a cop-out for not looking at pob long. it's not inherently zero info to look at someone who hasn't been suspected (because info can follow from that), and it's definitely not anti-town.

VOTE: Doubting Thomas

I think I'm happier on this one today. Very informative too!

so i am assuming this progression just means you think i was trying to protect scum!pob long or something? what a stretch of a progression if you can explain better so i can see if your thought progression actually makes sense i will appreciate it

haha well i actually answered that question earlier in the game i think - i guess you just forgot/didn't read?

maybe i missed it as i've posted and we were talking over each other and others were joining in the conversation if you can explain again it would be good if you don't want to for some reason ok

[DoubtingThomas]

i see battle mage asks a lot of questions to people and there's no real follow up on most of them if not all?

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

Oh hi bm

hi Johnny

are you scum?

if not, who is scum?

did i claim yet?

if so, what?

PLEASE because right now the townblock is weird gamma and 2 newbies

great, who are the newbies? and who are we elimming?

I sort of like the progression in Catboi's ISO, as it has the vibe of genuine solving. But it's also pretty cagey and not throwing a lot of shade.

Catboi - who are your top scumreads today?

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

who tf is tom?

-weirdedoutnornor

why are your top 3 scum picks not including pob long?

do you think Chaos should be thinking pob long is scum? they aren't voting there?

guillo-superb-chaos

if this was truly the "consensus", a new guy shouldn't be able to make any waves. The fact that the new guy can just means that its not consensus.

-norbear

very true Noraa. what do you make of Thomas?

yea he's never talked to these people about any of these after asking bunch of questions earlier on before he engaged with me on full force.

definitely feels like asking questions for the sake of asking

[DoubtingThomas]

it's funny that you say I couldn't handle the scrutiny on anynone outside of the 3 biggest wagons. lol. why would a scum!dt give any shit about towns trying to go wild and putting more people into the PoE? are you thinking clearly here?

it's funny that you say I couldn't handle the scrutiny on anynone outside of the 3 biggest wagons. lol. why would a scum!dt give any shit about towns trying to go wild and putting more people into the PoE? are you thinking clearly here?

it depends who was in the PoE. If scumDT was quite happy with the pool of 3, as you obviously were, scumDT would naturally be scared of his teammates or even himself being put into the PoE. I'm baffled I actually have to explain that.

no. I would encourage more people to put more people in the PoE to stir further confusion, because having only 3 people in the PoE is a pretty terrible scum play.

can you reply to this? i am waiting

[DoubtingThomas]

if you can succinctly explain why you scum read me from when you were voting pob long instead of making accusations that my strategy this game was scum 101, it would make me more likely believe that your push on me is genuine, tbh. a lot of your 'scum reads' on me have been in reaction to what i've done to you. like 'oh you are emotive, you said 'very noted' ' it doesn't feel real. can you please explain your reads in details intead of keep saying i am newb scum? like