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ik i wasn't disagreeing with your point, just saying that i think that's a point that others already agree withIn post 4041, scamper wrote:
i thought there were some people at the time saying it was townyIn post 4036, fireisredsir wrote:idk if people townread him for the "i should have died", i thought all the people commenting on how it was weird were saying it was scummy weird, but maybe i misinterpreted
i admittedly did not fact check that, but its also kind of irrelevant to my overall point if i misremembered how people reacted to that post
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i actually agree with this and this was more or less why i voted dann (i thought 3868 especially felt super performative) but then his pivot onto me felt p believable to me, like he genuinely did have that paranoia that was lingering under the surfaceIn post 4056, obscure wrote:OK so the trajectory i'm seeing on me from dann is they don't/barely mention me at all (and at one point they mention they're struggling for proper scumreads), until a long post a bit later without much of a build up, they include a part on me.
"I think obscure is scum and another good wagon. Something about their reaction to someone insinuating their newbieness could be played up as an act felt really wrong to me. It feels to me like a townie would be more understanding of that suspicion and either laugh it off or at least engage with that suspicion more generously. The highly defensive reaction makes me believe in obscure’s newbieness, but it also makes me think that maybe he is scum who reacted to such suspicion so strongly because it would be catching him “for the wrong reasons"
this doesn't make sense to me. maybe it's just how i personally view the game, but when someone is accusing you of something and it's wrong, but you don't think that person is coming from a malicious place, isn't it just human instinct to want to defend yourself? like, that feels like something that's much easier for a mafia to brush off, because a mafia would be lying there. i think if a lot of people are accusing you of lying and you're not lying, then the instinct to get upset and want to prove otherwise is so much stronger.
i mean, realistically maybe if i wasn't limited on time i would've engaged with it more, but that's minor part of this.
the "tunneled on a pet scumread" by 3868 feels hallow to me considering status was the one who originally brought it up then he just jumped on it once it became easy?
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the comment about disagreeing with you was prob not necessary mbIn post 4098, Thestatusquo wrote:Because the "shade someone while calling them town complain about how all your targets are townie after pressure moves off them" is a classic scum move to move on from someone progression wise.
i just found your nitpicking about exactly how many times per day obscure checked the thread to be annoying and not useful to sorting anyone, but in the way that i think probably comes from town who thinks they have a real point
i think you just kinda fundamentally misunderstand what my motivations are and what i think is useful for winning the game, and i likely do the same to you. prob just a massive playstyle difference-
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ill join youIn post 4152, Nero Cain wrote:Also I'm going to lim you d3 if you haven't done my psych profile yet-
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would you like to say more
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my main reason was that i trust most of the people pushing the wagon and idk i could be wrong on my townread
i think your pushes on datisi and scamper are both kinda questionable, but i went back and looked at large 238 and i remember feeling kinda similar to your push on ari there so i dunno
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like it felt fake/unreasonable/bad faith, and now you seem to be saying that it was a taunt/fake/bait/whatever, and that lines up with what ive seen you do as scumIn post 4364, humaneatingmonkey wrote:questionable how like what questions
maybe it's something you do as town too, it probably is, but i don't really get the motivation for doing it here. i think trying to 1v1 scamper if you're both town hurts town way more than it helps-
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no, im aware that it's noncommittal and hedgey, that's how i feelIn post 4367, Frogsterking wrote:
Fire do you want to expand on this in a way that sounds a little bit less suspicious?In post 4362, fireisredsir wrote:my main reason was that i trust most of the people pushing the wagon and idk i could be wrong on my townread
i think your pushes on datisi and scamper are both kinda questionable, but i went back and looked at large 238 and i remember feeling kinda similar to your push on ari there so i dunno
i don't feel very confident in any other direction atm, so i am ok being a sheep
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no but i think he is and i don't think its useful atp to doubt thatIn post 4374, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
do you know if scamper is town??In post 4371, fireisredsir wrote:i think trying to 1v1 scamper if you're both town hurts town way more than it helps-
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no? im saying i don't get why you would do your whole fake aggro push shtick as town hereIn post 4376, humaneatingmonkey wrote:so you're saying im scum for trying to get reaction from a slot that i should have known is town?
why should i be townreading scamper anyway?
and im getting flashbacks to panic room where i couldn't tell if you were making fake pushes or real pushes and where it felt like as soon as you got called out for having bad reasons for a push you were like "aha, but it was a reaction test all along! got you!"
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k well strongarming the game into revolving around you seems kinda anti town to me, and also a lot closer to your usual scum game than your town game, but go off igIn post 4382, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
so i can have an entry point and not have to read a bunch of stuffIn post 4379, fireisredsir wrote:i don't get why you would do your whole fake aggro push shtick as town here-
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i mean that was the impression that i had in panic room and i found them as scum there bc of itIn post 4388, Frogsterking wrote:
Is this a true statement?In post 4386, fireisredsir wrote:a lot closer to your usual scum game
i don't know if it's like a 100% foolproof kind of thing but it is like exactly the issue i had with them there-
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ok this was my post in that game for reference
Spoiler: from panic room
ig there's the question of if here does it feel calculated and does he care about the results. i think i don't feel that vibe as much which is why im not as confident on a scumread. but there are aspects of his play here that do remind me of his scumgame
im still not really sure what the push on scamper was supposed to accomplish or what info he would gain from it and that's where i have the issue-
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it might be a little bit, yea, but it also might be correctIn post 4420, Frogsterking wrote:D2 tilt wagon?
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i do agree with that assessment for the most part but they're also just kinda both people that tend to put on that air of bravado as either alignment, so i wouldn't necessarily expect the argument to always come with a serious scumread even if hem is town
kinda like baltar vs pooky on d1/first bomb defusal of ktane (sry to keep bringing it up for those who haven't read it, but it's a useful comparison point for scum vp), it was hard to tell what was serious bc they kinda just are like that. but then again in that case they were actually scum lol, so idk. they were a lot quicker to actually call each other scum tho-
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i think this is what id be more likely to do as scum if you're town here, scum prob get stuck worried about looking consistent with their past readsIn post 4463, humaneatingmonkey wrote:The alternate take is it's just me and i should be looking at who whiteknighted or held off their vote for no good reason
there's also just not a ton of worlds where i feel like scum would find it necessary to flip their position in order to get on your wagon
especially one that is more or less led by people who are p towncore, that's just gonna attract more random townies to join so scum don't even have to help-
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i mean like earlier you were all "i don't care about explaining myself or being proactive bc im gonna die get me out of here" and it kinda feels like you're still at that energy levelIn post 4457, Thestatusquo wrote:
in what sense? I feel like I've been pretty clear about my thoughts.In post 4454, fireisredsir wrote:shea how do you feel about the game now that it seems rather unlikely that you will be the elimination today?
it's not necessarily an AI thing im just curious if you're feeling more motivated about the game now-
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yea to be clear i didn't mean all scum would be in one place or the other. just that i kinda think that more scum would be inclined to try to protest the wagon as either hem alignment? i haven't really looked into who is in that position to see if that makes any sense butIn post 4489, Datisi wrote:is there a reason you feel scum wouldn't be on scum-hem wagon? maybe it's just me, but i feel like scum bus more often than not, so
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um ok whatever, that wasn't the point at allIn post 4492, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think this is a just factually untrue statement.i don't care about explaining myself or being proactive bc im gonna die get me out of here
I was absolutely explaining myself and proactively saying who I thought was scum the whole time. My thought was I didnt think people were going to get off me so I just wanted the flip to happen.
I don't like this interaction with me. I don't think anyone who is in good faith reading me this game would describe my play as "unwilling to explain myself" and "not proactively trying"
It feels like you're focusing on the self vote and maybe one or two times where I felt like I was being approached in bad faith where I did not respond by fully explaining myself.-
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i think the way that frog phrased it implies that frog has an idea of what eiralox's scumgame looks like, when he actually does not, but i don't think it's unusual for frog to imply that sort of thing even when it isn't strictly true
i also think it's fine to base an initial read on that (obv, cause i did too), but it can't be like a lock or anything due to lack of info-
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idk what you mean by thisIn post 4630, Nero Cain wrote:I think Fire got culted b/c she's full of kool-aid
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i did??? i don't remember thisIn post 4648, Nero Cain wrote:last game you tried to lim me for pushing scum. Your reasoning was that I bus as scum thus I must be scum. Why did my VP push not warrant the same reaction?
i thought i mostly found you towny
the games i played with you were also like my first 2 games and ive GROWN and CHANGED since then-
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ok yea ig i did suspect you eventually
to be fair tho i argued with vp for like literal decades about why you were town and you two were deathtunneled on each other ig once i finally decided he was town then he kinda got through to me and convinced me you might be scum
i didn't ever think you were scum for pushing titus. i just ended up deciding that maybe i shouldn't be townreading you for that as strongly as i was originally
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i mean im not planning to? you seem towny. i made the point about white knighting without actually looking at who did it and idk if i really stand by that point anyway it wasn't that strongIn post 4656, Nero Cain wrote:but im whiteknighting HEM. If he townflips are you gonna flip on me again?-
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we just finished our first game together as t/t and he was paranoid of me thereIn post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:Why would scum Dann be specifically "paranoid" of you?
Maybe I didn't pay attention well or it was a "blink and you'll miss it" moment but I don't really remember Dann talking much about you
i think he might try to match that expectation as scum here-
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enchant is difficult to read when they don't put much effort in and are just kinda vibing, and are easier to read when they do make attempts to seriously sort people and show their thought process for how they're thinking about the game
as scum they tend not to do that as much also, prob bc not doing so it makes them harder to read
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oh that would be smarter yesIn post 4747, Something_Smart wrote:
I mean, if you're a vig and someone else claims your shot, you don't have to claim, you can just shoot them.In post 4742, fireisredsir wrote:i think if hem is scum and claiming to try to out the vig then he claims the vp shot-
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i think i always do thatIn post 4773, Dannflor wrote:fire I feel like you have felt the need to overexplain your vote switches this game
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maybe yea, i am v self conscious and v anxious all the time lolIn post 4791, Dannflor wrote:
do you think there's, like, an anxiety to be town read behind that?In post 4780, fireisredsir wrote:
i think i always do thatIn post 4773, Dannflor wrote:fire I feel like you have felt the need to overexplain your vote switches this game
do you feel like you tend to do that or am I just seeing things
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i mean it doesn't really line up with what ive seen from town SS beforeIn post 4854, Ausuka wrote:Like if scum SS discovers this hint why is the reaction like "I should share this with the entire game thread"
both games ive played with town SS he was like extremely secretive about sharing thoughts out of fear that doing so would benefit scum, especially role related things
i don't really see how this fits into that mindset
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you would know this if you'd done your psych analysis already like you promised, frog!!In post 4863, Frogsterking wrote:Really tho?-
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ive only played with him twice, but in frenemies (mason setup) he as VT intentionally didn't share a lot of reads or thoughts bc he wanted to shield the masons by looking like he possibly could be one. it was a p major point in the gameIn post 4869, Ausuka wrote:I'd like it if you could link some ideas of S_S doing this? I would take it into consideration if I knew like this actually goes against SS's townplay
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in invictus idk id have to go back and look and see how much was mena and how much was him, so maybe less significant, but his hydra was very reticent to give reads and spent a lot of time just talking to each other/talking to conftown bell in their hood and then just coming out eventually with "ok, we want to lim this person"
its also just kinda what i understand his town playstyle to be based on past games ive read/things people have said-
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yes sure that would be usefulIn post 4870, Something_Smart wrote:I am an enigma
I am fully aware of the difference, if you want me to explain it. But I get that self meta is not often reliable.
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ig im self-conscious in a blame myself type of way and not in a blame others type of way?In post 4876, Frogsterking wrote:I can tell you that anger/hostility and self-consciousness are correlated with each other and you're claiming to be susceptible to one and not the other. It's completely possible but makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.-
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i agreed with his strongest townreads in 3333 for the most part (the confidence on shea seems too strong tho) and then his poe was kind of a mushy pile which i related to, but like, they're mostly pretty easy trs to talk about
they're well explained but they're all slots that would be very easy to list reasons for why they're town if you know they're town
and im just not really convinced that he comes out of that wanting to vote frog? and then stays there while there's wagons on multiple other people in his poe, when he says he doesn't care much which one gets eliminated?
like even tho i can relate to the mushy poe feeling, my reaction to that is mostly just to vote along with whatever wagons are currently active that are in my poe. i don't understand the reaction to that being to vote one of them that nobody else really cares about and then just sit there for a while
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ok went to fact check this and this bit is probably not right, i misremembered when the wagons were exactly. he did join the marci and gamma wagons when they were happening, the one he didn't join was SSIn post 5013, fireisredsir wrote:and then stays there while there's wagons on multiple other people in his poe, when he says he doesn't care much which one gets eliminated-
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@marci i mean its hard to have a receipt of him not doing something
but here he said this, and never voted SS despite SS being a major wagon (it got to like 6 or 7 at one point?)
earlier when asked why he didn't vote marci or SS, who were getting wagoned at the time (i think 4 votes on SS), he said this, which is kinda a non-answer:In post 3633, DeasVail wrote:When it comes down to it, there's not much in it for me between frogster/gamma/S_S/marci. I don't feel passionate about limming any of them, but I feel good enough about my townreads that limming any of them is probably fine?
Would be keen to hear more from obscure though.In post 3528, DeasVail wrote:Also re: your question on Frogster, I don’t think “viability” is that at important at this stage of the day. I would happily consider an elim on S_S but it’s also relatively early on in S_S’s period of engagement with the game.In post 3529, Nero Cain wrote:hey Deas, why did you vote frog instead of your other scum reads that we getting wagoned like SS and Marci?In post 3530, DeasVail wrote:Historically I’ve actually been a lot better at identifying scum as a vig or serial killer. Frogsterking is the sort of player I would shoot if I were a vig, hence my vote.
i think his interaction with frog about SS could easily be paired with SS as well-
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