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I just reread this and I don't really feel like Gamma ever starts buddying MarciIn post 5350, GuiltyLion wrote:
my main thing with Gamma is I thought she felt genuinely uninformed of marci's alignment. When I pushed on marci at the very start of the game, Gamma kinda pushed back at me in a defensive way, I think this was out of considering her a friend and not wanting her to get bullied immediately out of playing at gamestart. Then Gamma slowly became more and more suspicious of marci throughout D1/D2, it didn't feel like a calculated trajectory to me and I feel scum!Gamma would have been more likely to stick to an approach of buddying marci rather than picking a fight with her and claiming to feel "betrayed"In post 5339, Thestatusquo wrote:It had almost no success getting traction on gamma because of a ubiquitous claim that her tone and emotion were coming from town, and I find it really weird that as far as I can say nothing really seems to have changed that much but here's a wagon out of nowhere.
it seems more a way to just pick at you tbh-
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going out to dinner
i don't super vibe with the later posts on fire
they are lines of logic/emotion that i vibe with and often employ, i also think fire's noncomittalness hasn't had like... a ton of agenda behind it?
to me the strongest points here is the trajectory on shea and the interactions with vpb-
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I just keep feeling like I'm mind melding with a lot of what fire posts and the parts that I do find scummy are I think not actually as alignment indicative as I first thought
I do feel best about gamma/morning-tweet right now of all the current wagons
that may change in 5 minutes but that's the most conviction you're gonna get out of me right now-
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VOTE: morning tweet
idk morning tweet takes pride in her town game from my conception of her
I would expect at least some effort to leave behind some reads or impact on this game even if she knew her time was short lived
And I’d doubly expect more effort if she was such a valuable role?-
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I also had that thought about TSQ getting mad about people suddenly going to morning tweetIn post 5581, Nero Cain wrote:I actually do not think it's impossible that TSQ reps in and pushes his scum buddy. He gets mad that he wasn't on the scumflip yesterday so he looks better?-
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this push just feels awkward and awkward in a way that 1 of frog or obscure would be scum?In post 1748, Gamma Emerald wrote:I also see Frog and obscure being pally, kinda makes me think I’m onto something
VOTE: Frogsterking
I’ll go here first because I think there’s better traction here
strike against them both being scum if you subscribe to the scum don't put their buddies right next to each other in reads lists theoryIn post 2137, Gamma Emerald wrote:Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure-
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I mean I definitely think Tweet being bussed is a possibility and I'd be a little surprised if there wasn't a scum on the wagon
but I'm not sure it super felt like a scum driven wagon
the speed with which it came up kinda felt more like, hey the day is close to ending and town found something to settle on and feel kinda good about
so with that context I'm not sure scum would necessarily be in a great position to bus and I wouldn't necessarily assume Tweet was "heavily" bussed yesterday-
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This was the one post I found during night phase that I thought was vaguely anti-partnery between Gamma and obscure. I did not dream it after-all!In post 2597, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It’s not bad I thinkIn post 2588, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm really interested in what people think about what i think about obscure.
Because i was not happy when i came to the conclusions i did. So sanity checks appreciated.
I wasn’t really scanning for excessive noob card usage but from your scan it seems that was going on and I’ve def seen scum use it to great effect
But I seem to have missed the rest of his interactions with/about obscure because I largely agree with GL's analysis that it doesn't look great. But this post in particular I thought looked fine in isolation.
I don't really think it means much in context of Gamma's entire trajectory on obscure
also like the fact that gamma *never* votes obscure but does vote HEM and Shea with ease? despite my hardcore campaigning for obscure?? not amazing-
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also GL commented on this post but in general I tend to think scum can't resist putting a buddy in their "solve" when asked for a scum team or a list of scum reads. even when they are down a buddy. even when their team isn't in a good position.In post 2766, Gamma Emerald wrote:
MarciIn post 2726, Thestatusquo wrote:The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.
VOTE: Gamma
Gamma who are the scum and why
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else
I think there's a psychological thing where unless you're an extremely confident player you feel like you're gonna get caught out or feel incredible if you list all town reads. despite the fact that their alignments may all be unknown at the time there's a fear that when they are all flipped you're going to look extremely bad.
so in general I'd expect 1 scum in Marci/HEM/Shea/Menalque
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this is such a horrible town read that it has to be anti-partnery right?In post 3509, Gamma Emerald wrote:
okay this is funnyIn post 2844, fireisredsir wrote:
prob most interested in looking for scum in dann, shea, SS, marci rn. a slight level below that would be xofelf and gammaIn post 2840, Nero Cain wrote:redfire what are your reads rn?
strongest TRs on ausuka, scamper, you. not quite as strong on datisi, hem, obscure, ydra, frog. then DV and GL are kinda weak townleans ig
i think thats everyone
our strongest TRs line up but aside from that there's notable variance
I think I'll pencil in fire as town for this-
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frogster have you ever done this thing before where you go around asking widely town read players for their reads lists and then average their reads lists as some type of bible??In post 4126, Frogsterking wrote:The problem with Gamma is that they're in a similar category as HEM, they're Towned by IIRC scamper and also by Ari posthumously.
it strikes me as... really weird. even for you? please let me know if this is something you do with any regularity or you if you just picked it up for this game
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coming back to this thoughIn post 2137, Gamma Emerald wrote:Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure
I think in a list of 5 scum reads
Gamma always puts a buddy in there
ConManMick was town. Datisi is town or we are getting fucked by scamper + Datisi and that seems like an unlikely nightmare I don't want to contend with. HEM slot is basically confirmed town.
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why would you not just give me a straight answer hereIn post 5699, Frogsterking wrote:
Do you know anything about how Google's algorithm works yes or no?In post 5695, Dannflor wrote:
frogster have you ever done this thing before where you go around asking widely town read players for their reads lists and then average their reads lists as some type of bible??In post 4126, Frogsterking wrote:The problem with Gamma is that they're in a similar category as HEM, they're Towned by IIRC scamper and also by Ari posthumously.
it strikes me as... really weird. even for you? please let me know if this is something you do with any regularity or you if you just picked it up for this game
if you just decided to do it this game. why?-
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I think scamper just town reads me? i will confirm claim that we are not masons or hooded
what I was going to say is that I am wondering if Frogster's earlier "averaging" of all the top town reads town reads was agenda driven in a way that Frogster thought it would help reinforce that his buddies or a buddy was town without actually having to fake a read himself
and I would think that more likely if Frogster had never done that type of thing before and just decided to do it for this game randomly
but I don't actually know if that's the case until I get off my ass and meta Frogster so I suppose this is the phase to put that work in anyway-
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yeah, that makes sense
I think I've come around to this post pretty much discounting Frogster/obscure as a teamIn post 1748, Gamma Emerald wrote:I also see Frog and obscure being pally, kinda makes me think I’m onto something
VOTE: Frogsterking
I’ll go here first because I think there’s better traction here
that would feel a little *too* on the nose-
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okay I went back and read this now I understand frogsterIn post 5703, Frogsterking wrote:I'm not impressed and your comment/shade annoyed me
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/430372183
Read if you don't know how backlinks work
I don't think like 7 people are going to get you results in any reliable fashion like thousands would, but I understand the idea-
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I just feel like you've been holding me at arm's distance yourselfIn post 5979, GuiltyLion wrote:town
I was rereading your ISO a lil bit this morning and I don't like the way you kinda hold Gamma at a scumread at arm's distance
but the rest of your reads align really closely with mine overall so, don't wanna go there today
like you scum read me pretty strongly at one point
and now it seems like you neither town read me nor scum read me... at least not enough to push me and not enough to try and sort me-
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In post 6048, Thestatusquo wrote:
can you find it?In post 6046, Dannflor wrote:I remember S_S making multi-colored reads lists as scumSpoiler:-
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it's just a thought i had, not really justificationIn post 6052, Something_Smart wrote:
Is this a justification for your unvote? Can you generalize it into a statement on my town vs scum play?In post 6046, Dannflor wrote:I remember S_S making multi-colored reads lists as scum
(I am going somewhere with this, don't worry.)
I don't have justification other than I'm not vibing with your wagon as much anymore and I don't want the day to accidently end too early
I *think* generally that you actually try harder to appear town in the traditional sense that everyone expects when you're scum. Maybe not by much, but I think you feel a little more pressure to warp your playstyle to expectations.
As town, I think you generally don't give a fuck as much and are a little more obstinate in how you play the game.
I'm historically terrible at reading you and I don't think that general statement is a very strong indicator, but it's kinda how I'm feeling right now-
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I think there may have been. I don't remember exactly and I don't really care to look. Why?In post 6060, Something_Smart wrote:
I think this is true sometimes. HDP was one of those times, so I expect Frogster to find something similar.In post 6056, Dannflor wrote:I *think* generally that you actually try harder to appear town in the traditional sense that everyone expects when you're scum. Maybe not by much, but I think you feel a little more pressure to warp your playstyle to expectations.
There was something very specific I was hoping you would mention. I genuinely don't know the answer to this, so I'm kinda testing your memory here: do you remember if there was ever a point in Baton Pass where I deliberately stated I was going to try to be more decisive that game?
I feel like maybe you're hinting at being more susceptible to playing like the thread wants you to play as mafia?
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Ausuka's WIM has fallen off a lot and I think that can happen a lot with deep wolf positions and then just no one ever reevaluatesIn post 6128, Frogsterking wrote:
What happened?In post 6126, Dannflor wrote:ok i went and dealt with my paranoia about ausuka
nvm about that if anyone cared
but I reread and decided my fears were unfounded-
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