Sorry but you’re kind of misrepping what he said. Re: the bolded but I’m NAI reading that, since it’s right there in his quote.In post 1061, Shoshin the worst wrote:For what it's worth.In post 381, Varsoon wrote:Shitty reads are an inherent part of mafia. Players swapping at the table in long-form play is not a design element of the game.In post 367, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,
Anyway.
I heard that the lurk-meta on Nico indicates scum therebut I don't really know if that's true or not.
Why do you feel the need to specifically ask for justification from people pressurevoting that slot? It's not a vanity wagon. It's a valid pressure wagon on a lurker.
Why do you think there's scum on it?
Why did you miss Varsoon's stance that lurker Nico is scum Nico if you were trying to sort her?
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So, it’s MORE than a “pressure vote”?In post 1067, Shoshin the worst wrote:Show me a bit more about why you scumread URAP2? Talk to me about why you're voting pintu if you scumread URAP2 and are anti the Nico wagon?
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Feel better.In post 1072, u r a person 2 wrote:@taly
a bunch of people were voting nico and I figured maybe it could lead to a sort. It was not a productive use of time
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Help us find teh scums.In post 1095, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm sorry all I just havent been the mafia mood lately. I hope that changes tonight. I'll look into what I missed. Anything anyone wants me to look into?
I can obviously only speak for myself but yeah, I honestly do find some of your posts, really confusing.In post 1100, Taly wrote:
this is probably the biggest reason why ive had issue sortingIn post 1097, Taly wrote:I can't tell if the constant miscommunication on my posts is because I just suck at clarifying things for people, or people are actively not trying to understand my POV.mephistoandstwfor different reasonsShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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U2 and rotisserie slap chop is ProFlavor.In post 1104, Taly wrote:
who isIn post 1087, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Why? And Bono and Alchemist are really bad wagons.Bono[/n]?
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Hmmmm . . . never left moves his vote off of Alchemist who reads pretty damned townie to me but shades Pint. If Pint ever flips red here, this could be possible distancing.In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.
It was an open ended question, so I wasn't expecting any answer in particular.In post 936, Taly wrote:
What answer were you expecting here?In post 765, Mewtaph wrote:Hey Gamma, can I ask you a question? Do you think that I should be town reading you this game?
I thought ignoringIn post 936, Taly wrote:
I didn't like the initial voting onIn post 772, Mewtaph wrote:I like u r a person 2 for town quite a bit actually, and I would be willing to do my first active sort to them, Taly or Varsoon.
I think NicoRobin is a decent point to poke with a stick before deadline rears too close, but is a bad wagon to get going near deadline in case they are really just apathetic!town.
I don't know why pinturrichio keeps pushing their content back repeatedly but it's not a great look.UP2when I first skimmed through it, the reasons for a scumread there lacked substance (PromptingMichael Scottto explain why he thoughtUP2'sposts were manufactured, that's the vote that most got my attention when it happened.)
I agree a bit onNico. A lurker lynch won't get anywhere, and I don't trust the fact that everyone is like"where's the scum at"?
:/ I get my vote onKokichicontradicts the above statement, but I'm working to change this.
Pintpushing content back... not a great look? Or scum-indicative?u r a person 2'sself-referential call for a wagon on himself by means of a vote over interaction was scummy. There is a part of me that thinks that scum would be looking for something to do outside of STW's wagon after it dissolved.
Mmm, yes. This is how I feel too.
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Also, didn’t care for the weird Gamma question and justification for it. Pint could also be scum but eh.
So, rn, those two read the least towniest. Thinking Stw is wrong about Taly and RSC (PF), so maybe one of the lurkers but lurking is more town indicative for Kokichi than Nico but currently null on both and I agree with Taly about either being low info flips.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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All votes on you are bad, you seem really genuine. Could be?In post 1113, u r a person 2 wrote:
@taly i thought pintu had unvoted me, but i guess not.In post 889, pinturicchio wrote:URAP2 has townied it up a lot since my first pushing attempt, and I'm not as convinced as I was before; however, I still see some inconsistencies and I can't let go the things I pointed out before about him.
remembering that what he pointed out was that i jumped off an early wagon on a town read of his, and noting the "has townied it up a lot" word choice, it's odd
it could be pintu scum, but scum!pintu seemed more in tune with the player base last game i played. i dont understand the strat he has here, and i think scum!pintu has a plan
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+1In post 1116, Taly wrote:Town, not listing the order of strength OR confidence here
Almost Chara
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Kokichi
Not behind aNico/Kokilynch unless there's either a better meta argument, or until they post more so I can evaluate them enough to have a lynch decision on.
Totally mindmelding with your town list. I think scum is most likely in Mew/Pint/Nico/Kokichi - in that order. Eraserhead and Auroapocalypse are currently townleans but I suppose it’s possible Auro is pocketing me but unlikely. Unless one or more of my reads is wrong but based on associatives and bad votes, probably not. If Eraserhead doesn’t move their bad Bono vote, I’ll have to revisit that slot.
Anyway, Kokichi can be resolved tomorrow due to IC claim, plus lurking is more town indicative for him. If both lurkers are town, then I obviously need to reacess my reads.
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In post 1129, ProFlavor wrote:I would say at this point if we were going to policy lynch a lurk slot why Nico over Koki?
Those of you that played Overkill 2 may recall FL admitting either in PT or post game (can’t fully remember) he purposely acted as disengaged to move along to the later stages of the game
Arguably - that’s more Koki, as opposed to Nico simply not being here
So I’ll be keeping an eye on those pushing Nico
I’m gonna go read up on some slots that I haven’t really noticed up to now
Lurking is more town indicative for Kokochi than it is for Nico and yeah, good point about the naked vote thing. I recall in Labrynth, Nico made it a point of saying that she required flips first, to have a read/vote.In post 1130, Shoshin the worst wrote:if Kokichi just genuinely doesn't follow through on catching up he's obviously a fierce contender. I see nothing to townread from either of them but his catchup promise over just a naked vote is closer to playing in good faith than Nico's lurking/naked vote/complaining thing.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Nico has so far done jack to be townread, she warrants a null at this point.In post 1131, ProFlavor wrote:
I don’t think I’ve ever played with scum!Taly - would he be that open wolf if it was s/s - pretty outrageous!In post 1128, Shoshin the worst wrote:
This is a good take. You don't have any thoughts about whether Taly looks s/s with Nico, or like town flailing to defend a lurker wagon?In post 1126, ProFlavor wrote:
So even if Nico is scum - Taly has been hard against the Nico wagon because the flip doesn’t give us infoIn post 1086, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
If Nico is town here, that looks good for Taly and vice-versa.In post 1021, Taly wrote:oh lol forgotmephistowas in this game again
...ive played withjeanne11... in 2015.
and ive played withnicoone game this past year... but it doesnt count since she was mislynched early-game for doing the bare minimum to avoid being replaced
I’ve seen scum get lynched and people be against the wagon and sometimes the defender flips scum, sometimes town - so I’m making a mental note that talys issue with the wagon is specifically info gained, rather than “I don’t want to lynch Nico because i find ___ element of her play towny”
Idk what that means it just stood out
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If it’s town!taly / either!Nico - it’s meaningless - talys just right that Nico is basically a policy lynch and its NAI
If it’s not town!taly I can only see it being scum!taly / town!Nico - taly ends up in day 2 with subliminal credibility of not lynching Nico without actually saying town!Nico - just PL are bad guys
It’s subliminal credibility because you’d never re-read the thread and be like “taly identified Nico!town” but in VCA - taly wasn’t on a town lynch (which can feasibly go through) so you probably give him credibility in your mind as you reflect on VCA but can’t really recall things (I’m thinking like in day 3 onwards etc)
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+1In post 1140, Taly wrote:
this is definitely something id associate with "pressure' votingIn post 1127, Shoshin the worst wrote:we can still powerlynch Nico before EOD.
and division is bad because that gives scum leverage/ammunition to drive lynches?
why has your vote remained onUP2since 378,proflavor?
so... a PL is good off COMPLETE associatives and NOTHING based off the lynched person's play?ProFlavor wrote:Tomorrow you can go “this person was for Nico but against Varsoon, this person was for Nico but with Varsoon” bla bla
why are you defending thenicowagon if you dont scumread them? or, DO you scumread them? since you havent clarified that in your last several posts
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I don’t think Nico is the best lynch but her naked vote on Shoshin, isn’t consistent with what I know of her town meta either. In Labrynth, she refused to place any vote until D2.In post 1143, Taly wrote:i feel like im the ONLY person shouting "NO" in this game and thats a huge-ass red flag.
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To anyone who thinks Nico’s vote on Stw, is completely NAI:
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Did I have an 'original thought' on D1 of those games?In post 779, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I wanted to vote for TPkAF but but I didn’t want to let it rand. I ISOd Nico and compared it with her other games, where she least had one original thought. To reference Vartsun, Nico is the epitome of “lurk-ass scum” in this game.
Note: Steven Universe 2 mafia and Mini 1936 don't count, cos I was confirmed town-aligned in both of those.
Prove to me that those 'original throughts' were made on D1 of at least three games. If you can't, then your read is a bunch of bs.In post 784, NicoRobin wrote:I just told I don't have original though on freaking D1 and you are demanding one from me anyway. If you wanna read me, then at least try learning how I play as town and as scum before jumping to baseless conclusions.In post 786, NicoRobin wrote:I never have reads on D1.In post 788, NicoRobin wrote:Those who know how I play, tell her I do not, cos she clearly won't listen to me.In post 789, NicoRobin wrote:
That's their playstyle, this is mine.In post 787, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Randomidget subbed in after you and they’ve been doing a helluva a lot more than you and Creature put together.In post 785, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Answer the damn question instead of being so defensive.In post 784, NicoRobin wrote:I just told I don't have original though on freaking D1 and you are demanding one from me anyway. If you wanna read me, then at least try learning how I play as town and as scum before jumping to baseless conclusions.
You’ve had two freaking weeks! I don’t believe you have no reads by now.I am not suddenly gonna be able to produce good accurate reads on D1 because I am a flip-based player. So unless you want me to pull random names out of a hat and declare them scum, you're not gonna have reads from me yet.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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TW pocketing is entirely NAI.In post 1156, profii wrote:In post 1132, ProFlavor wrote:
Hi The WorstIn post 1130, Shoshin the worst wrote:if Kokichi just genuinely doesn't follow through on catching up he's obviously a fierce contender. I see nothing to townread from either of them but his catchup promise over just a naked vote is closer to playing in good faith than Nico's lurking/naked vote/complaining thing.
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I was initially agreeing with Taly but I found a meta tell from a previous game which I linked and quoted, which makes her naked vote on Stw, possibly scum indicative.In post 1166, Almost Chara wrote:Nico's vote (i had missed it) makes me fine with a lynch on her or Kokichi.
and townhunting while voting in a PoE is entirely legitimate. i personally really dislike any suggestions that voting someone active for more info is a better idea. (in a vacuum where your reads on them are the same, of course)
if they aren't looking town, lynch. mislynches because of their play if town are going to happen anyway, it will just be later when it's more damaging.
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Feel better Pint and do whatever you need too. RL > mafia.In post 1168, pinturicchio wrote:I'm really sorry guys, I don't want to play this game at this moment. Yesterday I did excercise for the first time after surgery and it was good but I went to sleep early since I have no energy at all (I'm still on a restricted diet because of surgery), and before falling asleep I was like "fuck I haven't read the thread" and gave me anxiety 'cause I feel like this is a commitment that I'm not honouring... I hate when I'm fully committed to something and there's someone who's not, and right now I'm doing that.
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Yeah, I mixed you up with them.In post 1215, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
They were town, what of it?In post 831, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Maid Cafe?In post 759, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Me, A50, B&M, and Venmar/Firebringer were the scumteamIn post 301, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Sorry, my memory on who was what in Undertale is fuzzy.
All else were town
Make sense?
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Please do, that would be extremely helpful.In post 1222, ProFlavor wrote:
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Maybe but they she doesn have to vote as a prodge. She never did on Labrynth on D1.In post 1224, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiippppIn post 912, Krazy wrote:NicoRobin is being replaced. Nico can remain in the game if they post game-advancing content before a replacement is found. (Last prodge does not adhere to rule for prodges, which must include some game advancing content)@Mephistophanes, I think they just voted the leading wagon at the time as a prod dodge, not as an actual read.
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Have you read their ISO? They are like super obvtown here.In post 1225, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Lie. You always choose to wait on me even through PoE. You're just scum going for an easy lynch like you tried to in dangan maf.In post 1184, Almost Chara wrote:it wasn't a pressure wagon. it was PoE. it's true that i think i'm good at recognizing town Kokichi, but did you forget the game we played where you were scum and i misread you? why would you expect me to blindly keep treating you exactly the same way? i'm not a robot.
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Yeah, when a slot’s playstyle is radically different either concurrently or subsequently, chances are, that slot is a different alignment - scum, especially if it’s for the worse.In post 1223, Alchemist21 wrote:
Mewtaph is scum.In post 1190, Michael Scott wrote:I'm comfortable with my vote on Nico. I think a scum flip there would be useful anyway, given we have associatives already WRT who's trying to lead away from her lynch, and such.
Is there anyone convincingly scum at this point? I'm not seeing scum!STW how Varsoon is.
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Oh geez...the game almost doubled since I checked in last :S
Why in the living fuck do I even attempt Larges anymore!?
Anyway, I probably won't read everything so point out things I should respond to or know I guess. I'll confer with Nancy and see what we can do here
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Spoiler:
Acupuncture has nothing on “holistic meta”, I guess.
Interesting.
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This game should be changed to War of Words Mafia.In post 1237, ProFlavor wrote:That’s a lot of words for what could have been
TW used the word holistic 41 times over a certain time period / X as town / Y as scum so it’s NAI
Then ask why point disagreed
Why use 100 words when you can use 10 eh
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First we had “stretch your mind”, then “venom”, now “holistic meta”.
Anything, I’m forgetting?
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POLICY lynching us? For what, exactly?In post 1257, Mewtaph wrote:Lynch pool for being scummy: {Alchemist21, Almost Chara, Shoshin the worst}
Up for policy lynch[/b{: {Nancy}
Steamrolling with the biggest wagon that forms on any of these three + Nancy.
Are you actually [/b]tryingto get lynched now? Just keep accelerating that scum!meter, why don’t you?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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In post 1258, Michael Scott wrote:@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?
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Like if I had any doubt you’re flipping red, thanks for putting my mind at ease.In post 1261, Mewtaph wrote:
It's how scum would respond from beginning to end. Me trying to push Alchemist through here requires thread presence I don't have -In post 1258, Michael Scott wrote:@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?
~JimothyNancy is acting as a huge obstacle to me pushing him at all and reflecting votes onto me in a very destructive manner.
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Are you telling Michael Scott this or the other person?In post 1363, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 1258, Michael Scott wrote:@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?
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Like if I had any doubt you’re flipping red, thanks for putting my mind at ease.In post 1261, Mewtaph wrote:
It's how scum would respond from beginning to end. Me trying to push Alchemist through here requires thread presence I don't have -In post 1258, Michael Scott wrote:@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?
~JimothyNancy is acting as a huge obstacle to me pushing him at all and reflecting votes onto me in a very destructive manner.
Tl;dr, the rebuttal is how a scum responds and the basis of his approach to me isn't how town thinks. I'm not responding to a hard SR
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Hostility? What hostility?In post 1328, Mewtaph wrote:Following on my previous post. More specifically, it hedges on Varsoon vs STW which is a much more significant point of interest and making a strong conclusion there, while throwing out some sense of analysis that ends in Mephisto being town which is only really relevant in diffusing hostility between STW and Mephistowhich is much less relevant. It's misplaced focus.
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Where is this “hostility” you’re referring too wrt to us and Stw, in THIS game?
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If I move my vote, it’s probably to Nico rn.In post 1344, Mewtaph wrote:The deadline, probably. We need to choose a lynch, may as well try to make your stake in the game state.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Mewtaph seems very different here though and the whole PL thing is just whack.In post 1347, Varsoon wrote:Reminds me a lot of how STW proposed Mewtaph for lynch in Starcraft 1 because Mewtaph was an easy target and STW needed mislynches to win there.
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Who is Mustang?In post 1348, ProFlavor wrote:On top of that, Varsoon is townVarsoon here. I know what that tunneling Varsoon feels like and looks like. On top of that, both Nancy and Mustang have a tendency to tunnel onto towniesbpretty relentlessly (albeit in different ways) is the fact they are the first 2 on the Mewtaph wagon makes it more likely that they are tunneling onto town which is why it got near lynch.
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Why is Kokichi a so much better vote than Nico?In post 1378, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: Kokichi
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Wagonomics mainly dictated that situation, so I don’t really see how that’s relevant?In post 1275, Almost Chara wrote:
i'm assuming this is Nancy (but why aren't you signing?)In post 1228, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Have you read their ISO? They are like super obvtown here.
why are we obvtown? for someone besides you i would agree, but in our last game together it took a while for you to get to townreading me, and i feel like i've been doing a lot less this game.
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I have better than average reads. Unfortunately, I seem to lack the charisma to persuade anyone of that.
There’s a few posts your slot made, that I just don’t see coming from scum.
Oh and
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I just finished a game with town!Alchemist and he is posting the exact same way, he is here.In post 1374, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Could you respond to any of the things I asked you?In post 1307, Mewtaph wrote:This is not town. This is not how town approaches the game. Alchemist is not town.
At all?
I don't see how you're town approaching this right now.
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I don’t see any reason to lynch Kokichi today but even if he were lynched and flipped green, without that whole “never wrong meta” he referenced, I would still not vote them. We are in no one’s pocket but Krazy could conceivably persude us.In post 1391, ProFlavor wrote:
While at the same time creates commraderie with who they’d be working with to get Kokichi, so they have support onto AC tomorrow, then can turn onto their support.In post 1390, ProFlavor wrote:
This also sets up a mislynch path and general plan of action.In post 1378, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: Kokichi
If this greens I'll reconsider AC
Otherwise I'm treating them as basically hard town
It’s a solid scum play, but it’s very much scum play nonetheless.
Scum play as in, scum do this because it helps them get on towns good side. I like to look into the reasons people town read others to find my scum reads because essentially that’s what scum tries to do. Get townies to town read them.
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*calling bookie as I type this*In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:The fact that Varsoon, Mewtaph, and I are the three on Shoshin right now shows me that this is more than likely a scum slot.
Varsoon is hard town here. I’ve recently gotten to witness directly both townVarsoon and scumVarsoon, and really I’ve known Varsoon for like 4 and a half years now, so I’m pretty happy with my read there.
Mewtaph is town for the wagon composition. Mustang and Nancy pushing onto a townie the way they did makes total sense, and then people, and scumShoshin, decide to jump on to Mewtaph.
This also semi incriminates Jjh slot, but I’ll let them catchup first.
I realize my slot will probably be tried to use as a counterwagon option after pushing Shoshone like this, so unless you wanna try to 1v1 me and out explain the damn awful play it would have been to let Mewtaph live in this situation as scum...well, go for it. I could have just kept not playing the game and allowing Profii to play in that situation. Mewtaph likely would have been killed.
So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.
Long story short,Only town are on the Shoshin wagon right now. Bet.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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+1In post 1396, u r a person 2 wrote:
Can I think that Mew is scum and that you are wrong!town or was there a logic piece that makes that not possible?In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Yeah well, without some ubercompelling metacase, I don’t see that happening.In post 1394, Almost Chara wrote:it's a foolish one if so (not that i'm discounting your interpretation).
what's pretty bizarre to me is the belief that Kokichi's alignment has anything to do with mine here, as though his bad meta read on me has credence provided he's town.
but Leaf, do you think STW decides to have their cake and eat it too, by which i mean continuing to have us as strong town while also trying to lynch someone i don't want to lynch, and leave us open as a target on later days?
and thanks for the answer, Nancy.
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Explain to me how his Alchemist21=scum theory make a bit of sense. He is clearly obvtown and I’d think this even if he weren’t playing identical to how he was playing in OK 2 but it was the PL thing in addition to his weird Gamma question that makes me think, Mew is a decent wagon here. All jjh did was unvote them, which I read as NAI.In post 1400, ProFlavor wrote:
You can think it, but I have plenty of reasons that prove that you are the wrong town.In post 1396, u r a person 2 wrote:
Can I think that Mew is scum and that you are wrong!town or was there a logic piece that makes that not possible?In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.
Explain it to me otherwise, if you think I’m wrong.
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If you’re one of 3 possibile viable wagons - one extremely likely one, why not pocket tw? Maybe it’s not a pocket but I wouldn’t tr it just for that.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Oh thanks.In post 1397, Almost Chara wrote:that's Alchemist, his avatar is Roy Mustang from Fullmetal Alchemist.
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In post 1400, ProFlavor wrote:
You can think it, butIn post 1396, u r a person 2 wrote:
Can I think that Mew is scum and that you are wrong!town or was there a logic piece that makes that not possible?In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.I have plenty of reasons that prove that you are the wrong town[/b{.
Explain it to me otherwise, if you think I’m wrong.
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Once again I repeat: Please explain it to me, like I’m 5. Ktankx.In post 1402, ProFlavor wrote:Wagon composition shows Mewtaph as town. Break it down elsewise if you think otherwise.
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Also Eraserhead/Leaf, please explain to me in what world advocating a policy lynch on our slot is not even remotely scummy. And what about Mew’s weirdass Gamma question?
What possible town motivation is there in Mew asking Gamma if he should townread her?
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Oh is this similar to Mew’s Gamma question?In post 1410, ProFlavor wrote:
I have.In post 1408, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Once again I repeat: Please explain it to me, like I’m 5. Ktankx.In post 1402, ProFlavor wrote:Wagon composition shows Mewtaph as town. Break it down elsewise if you think otherwise.
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Nothing scummy really from Mewtaph, you and Mustang have a tendency to tunnel onto townies, then the near lynch.
Ifyou’re town, then you should feel scum followed you onto the wagon, tbh.
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In post 1413, ProFlavor wrote:Sure, and I’m taking that into consideration.
One thing doesn’t make someone town, the conjunction of multiple things do.In post 1414, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Oh is this similar to Mew’s Gamma question?In post 1410, ProFlavor wrote:
I have.In post 1408, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Once again I repeat: Please explain it to me, like I’m 5. Ktankx.In post 1402, ProFlavor wrote:Wagon composition shows Mewtaph as town. Break it down elsewise if you think otherwise.
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Nothing scummy really from Mewtaph, you and Mustang have a tendency to tunnel onto townies, then the near lynch.
Ifyou’re town, then you should feel scum followed you onto the wagon, tbh.
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You still aren’t explaining why you think Mew is a mislynch and sure, I’m not defacto ruling out possible scum bussing and if Mew was playing similarly here to how he was playing in SC1, I’d be fighting for people to jump off of his wagon but I’m so far not seeing it.In post 1415, ProFlavor wrote:I use the “should I town read you?@ question or some variant of it,
Or I’ll ask Why should I? Genuinely.
So I actually find the question townie than scummy.
All these pushes I’m seeing are NAI at best, if not they make me feel like they are town.
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A) He seems very different here, than in last game.In post 1417, ProFlavor wrote:Instead of me explaining my reads, would you mind explaining your reasoning to scum read them, and I’ll give my thoughts on it?
I feel that we can probably come to a consensus. I want to help you see why Mewtaoh is more than likely town here.
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B) I don’t buy his read on Alchemist.
C) Weirdass Gamma question, made to look like he was actually asking something useful when he clearly wasn’t.
D) Advocating stupid PL, which is 9/10 a scum move when it isn’t based on anything which adversely impacts the gamestate.
E) Mew’s entire reaction to his wagon, isn’t townie. He reacted extremely different to it last game.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Fun fact: I was in an MU game where scum godfather was close to being lynched, only when he had a substantial wagon on him, were there any even noticeable signs of resistance to it.In post 1421, ProFlavor wrote:
Only takes one scum. I don’t think you are the scum.In post 1418, u r a person 2 wrote:
"In post 1409, ProFlavor wrote:I just really don’t feel like Mewtaph has really done anything that’s overly scummy, I feel I’ve given a plenty solid reasoning for why he is most likely town, so any votes on Mewtaph right now I would feel are being done politically.
I agree that he hasn't done anything dramatically scummy, but I'm also not convinced on stw scum, and I am the people who jumped onto mew's wagon, so the wagon analysis in defense of mew doesn't really sway me either.
so then, to my understanding, the town case on him is that his one well flushed out read, which contradicts my own read on alch, is too complex to come from scum!mew
and in a game where I've got enough town reads to fill a boat, that just ain't doin' it.
my head hurts, i'll come back to it in the morning.
But I definitely feel the lack of resistance towards Mewtaph prior to me coming in implies Mewtaph town.
Good post by you. I’m liking you right now.
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Will you please stop saying that? Bono is way more town than you rn.In post 1419, ProFlavor wrote:Ifyou’re town, why do you think scum wouldn’t follow onto the wagon you were pushing?
Let’s take Mewtaph’s alignment out of it.
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A) NahIn post 1426, ProFlavor wrote:
A) He got rang up this game. I would expect him to act differently as town.In post 1423, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
A) He seems very different here, than in last game.In post 1417, ProFlavor wrote:Instead of me explaining my reads, would you mind explaining your reasoning to scum read them, and I’ll give my thoughts on it?
I feel that we can probably come to a consensus. I want to help you see why Mewtaoh is more than likely town here.
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B) I don’t buy his read on Alchemist.
C) Weirdass Gamma question, made to look like he was actually asking something useful when he clearly wasn’t.
D) Advocating stupid PL, which is 9/10 a scum move when it isn’t based on anything which adversely impacts the gamestate.
E) Mew’s entire reaction to his wagon, isn’t townie. He reacted extremely different to it last game.
B) what read is that? I’m lean scum on Alchemist too, so if that’s it, all the more reason I like him. It’s even hard to explain, because Alxhemist hasn’t necessarily done anything, so I like that.
C) i explained why i think that’s likelier town than scum.
D) when do scum do this? I actually feel town are more likely to push a PL because it’s percieved as scummier.
E) i disagree. He’s going incredibly transparent. He’s giving reads. He’s trying to find scum, he’s just got a lot of pressure on him and no resistance to his wagon, so of course it’s going to be hard.
I think you rely on meta too much. I don’t feel meta should be used as a primary way, more of a complimentary tool. You keep meta reading like that, it’s going to get hard abused, I’ll tell you that much.
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B) You were in OK 2. How is Alchemist, even remotely different here? If anything, he’s more obvious here than he was in that game.
C) So, I guess we agree to disagree then?
D) Sorry but that the biggest crock of shit, I’ve heard in a very long time.
E) How is Mew “transparent”? When he was being wagoned last game, he never once advocated for PL and he actually had more than plenty of just cause to do that there, then he does in THIS game.
I’m willing to risk it, since it’s usually more often than not accurate.
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I honestly don’t believe I am. Mew has done jack to make me reconsidering moving my vote. Who would you suggest I vote for then? So far, everyone else reads townier to me than Mew and we don’t have any really useful info in the lurker slots, to make them viable but I’m of course open to that changing.In post 1432, ProFlavor wrote:I imagine Mewtaph felt like Nancy was tunneling and there was nothing he could do about that.
I feel this way about players like Rb and Rc, who both tunnel me relentlessly, always when I’m town. (They’re not successful with it, might I add.)
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In post 1440, ProFlavor wrote:
I have said this as well.In post 1437, Almost Chara wrote:
a little hyperbolic. i completely understand scumreads in Mewtaph.In post 1435, ProFlavor wrote:I could care less about that right now. Mewtaph is the towniest person in this game right now.
i'm also feeling rather apologetic to Varsoon for asking him to direct his attention to somewhere besides STW, and then now finding myself a little suspicious of them.
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I understand why people were pushing Mewtaph. That in itself is a reason why scum is likely on Mewtaph, especially with a tunneling Nancy on them.
I wasn’t tunnelling and I never pushed his wagon but the PL crap, has pushed my sr of him into the stratosphere.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Fair, I never said it’s useful for everyone but some players, it certainly is and Mew is playing very differently and not in a townier way IMO.In post 1441, ProFlavor wrote:Sure, you can use meta for reads, but meet a player like me, and I’m going to abuse the hell out of it.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Good to know but then again, we’re not talking about you, we’re talking about Mewtaph.In post 1442, ProFlavor wrote:@Nancy - I guarantee the next time you try to use meta to scum read me, I will not be scum. I’ll tell you that right now.
I just play every game at face value for the most part, so even my town games are pretty different from each other. And I like to try new things when I’m scum. New gambits.
I gambit as town also, if not more than when i’m scum. Just a heads up.
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