Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?
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Why is defensive scum-indicative, necessarily? Never actually had someone explain this to me.In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Actually how though.In post 27, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Same thing goes for you.In post 24, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay this feels like an overreactionIn post 23, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?
VOTE: LUV
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I would think so. Scum just need three mislynches to win, and can kill off others in the top 5.In post 19, Hectic wrote:
is it considered a deep wolf if they're just in the top 5 town reads?In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.
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Can we do the ‘try and win by Coalition’ thing first, andIn post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.
I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.thenthe ‘use-information-on-a-fail’ thing afterwards,ifwe fail, not just the ‘let’s-find-out-if-there’s-a-deepwolf’ thing straight up?-
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Fair enough; makes sense. Really not sure it’s enough to call LUV scum over, but you do you, I guess.In post 52, Gamma Emerald wrote:
At least as I see it, scum are more concern about keeping themselves alive so they respond to pressure more defensively.In post 46, Spangled wrote:
Why is defensive scum-indicative, necessarily? Never actually had someone explain this to me.In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Actually how though.In post 27, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Same thing goes for you.In post 24, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay this feels like an overreactionIn post 23, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.
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What about it?In post 63, NC 39 wrote:
this is pretty yuck.In post 17, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
A-fucking-men!In post 12, RC most awesomest wrote:can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
Aye, ‘tis null. Exactly. But Hectic, to me, was making out that it was scummy... and I disagreed... and told him so...In post 63, NC 39 wrote:
him greeting the thread in null. Why do you feel like sticking up for the guy?In post 44, Spangled wrote:Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?
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Making a nice and pointed statement there.
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Was this supposed to go in the scum PT, orIn post 79, Clemency wrote:i'm usually too on edge when i'm scum so i cant spam posts like i usually do
its almost like a trust tell at this point i really need to work on it-
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I’ve seen UTRs be scum, but the biggest, most-AI thing is (in my limited experience) why they end up being UTRed. I don’t know how many people here know emps, but he’s been UTRed up until around EoD2 as scum before, mostly due to tone, and a sheer number of posts, most of which were actually pretty contentless, but seemed helpful.In post 100, EspressoPatronum wrote:[/color]HEAL: GammaHEAL: Spangled
The Gamma v LUV disagreement looks genuine + Gamma came out of it looking more town.
Liking Spangled's posting style thus far. I'm not yet certain if the wide coalition read on Spangled is a good or bad thing, but I'm treating it as a good thing for now.
Townreads everyone agrees on win games, though, especially this one.
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I have to admit, not really the answer I was expecting. Why, though?In post 89, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Yes.In post 83, Spangled wrote:Making a nice and pointed statement there.
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A UTR is a universal townread.In post 123, Hectic wrote: what's a UTR? ultra townread?-
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In post 131, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Alchemist, you haven't updated your coalition in a while. Is it still reflective of your current stance?
If yes, can you tell me a bit more about your NC and RCMA reads?
He has played every game differently, as far as I’m aware, from my occasional readings of newbie games, each with a different gimmick. It is true that he lacks a gimmick this time... but I don’t know if he’s been scum before or anything about that so...In post 130, EspressoPatronum wrote:I'm liking Hectic's content and reads, but the difference in his playstyle is really nagging at me. It's almost like he's too good to be true now that he's playing normally, and I'm seeing that as a possible scum tactic.
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Whoops, ignore that quote up the top.In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:If I did change it I would just take out NC and Gamma. I’d rather wait until having names to replace them with before taking them out though.
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
Why would you take out NC and Gamma? Is it just the lack of a townread, or is there a more substantial reason?In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:If I did change it I would just take out NC and Gamma. I’d rather wait until having names to replace them with before taking them out though.
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Oh wow I did it againIn post 135, Spangled wrote:
Whoops, ignore that quote up the top.In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:If I did change it I would just take out NC and Gamma. I’d rather wait until having names to replace them with before taking them out though.
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
Why would you take out NC and Gamma? Is it just the lack of a townread, or is there a more substantial reason?In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:If I did change it I would just take out NC and Gamma. I’d rather wait until having names to replace them with before taking them out though.
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I don’t think he’s trying not to engage with you as hard as you think; if you give him time and ask him good, pointed questions, rather than deciding as the be-all and end-all on page 7 that he’s probably scum choosing to ignore larger meta in favour of his own experience of your meta — which people are going to naturally default to, especially if they haven’t actually properly meta’d you — we won’t get any kind of consensus on him for a long time, and it will probably be impossible to do so.In post 172, RC most awesomest wrote:Just so we're clear, EP isn't policy. He's taken the same line of play that scum in the vast majority of my recent games have taken with me. Try to discredit me, call me scum while avoiding engagement and discrediting townreads on me. The NSG engagement is even worse, she has a clearly established meta of efforting less as scum and there's even a hydra game of the two of us where we were scum where she literally posted once, and he's handwaving that as well. It's not an honest interaction with my slot: either his approach to this game was clearly defined before game as prevent RChydra from being in the coalition at all costs or he is scum.
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In post 189, RC most awesomest wrote:if you're ignoring me in forming a read on our slot then what you're doing is focusing on things you find outrageous or things you disagree with and not actually looking for scummy play, and you should take a moment to do some self-reflection on that.
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But do you agree with the thought process?In post 185, Alchemist21 wrote:
His whole thought process on EP feels like Town RC.In post 183, Hectic wrote:
since you seem to have experience with town!RC, what about 145 and 149?In post 141, Alchemist21 wrote:
12 seemed like a typical TownRC post to me but not definitely.In post 138, EspressoPatronum wrote:
I was hoping you'd have a bit more to substantiate the read at this point, as scum!nsg could very easily post more. What's your read on the RC head*?In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote: [...]
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
*Note - I find it hard to read hydras. Is it better practice to split the read by head and consolidate later, or approach the read in a holistic manner from the outset?
Most people go by reading individual heads if they knows one of the heads well.
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Spoiler: A bit of a case on me
Okay, a few things to talk about here... I can kinda see where you’re coming from as regarding me finding things to respond to, but not responding to them very meaningfully.
Reading my ISO, I can see that. I tend not be very good at forming reads or putting them out there, but I like to think that I do, eventually, find scum with them. I do think I’ve occasionally expressed stances on certain topics... but if you’d like what I think I have at least hinted at summarised, here are some things I can remember off the top of my head:
I reckon RCMA’s town; that meta seems very conclusive as regards, at the very least, nsg’s alignment
I feel like EP is town; so far his reads have seemed genuine and fairly well thought out.
Gamma, actually, doesn’t really feel the same to me as the last game we were in; tonally they actually feel a bit weirdly different from how I remember them.
Hectic being unhectic — I don’t feel like it’s conclusive, but I feel like it’s a kind of point that would be a clincher in a much larger case against them. Their answer to that question about their un-hectic-ness felt a little off to me, but I really don’t know; I don’t have any past experiences of their tone and so I’m hesitant to commit to that.
As as regard that rather generic question I keep on asking — I would normally really not ask it that much, but I keep getting very non-commital or meaningless answers to those questions — Clemency’s in 121 is the only one I can remember, but I’m pretty sure there have been other answers that haven’t let me see get any kind of glimpse into the game states or any associatives etc., like I’ve used them fairly well in some newbie games.-
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Something went weird there; sorry, but I think y’all will figure it out.
As regards me being ‘incredibly easy to townread’...
I have, before now, kind of instinctively recoiled from people who self-meta, but I think I see the usefulness of it now, so I’m going to try and use it.
My scum game sucks. Very, very badly. I’ve had two scumgames — first one, I was enormously passive all of D1, and in D2 MyLo (because of a modkill) counterclaimed JK against a cop who had a red on my partner. We lost. Now this was about six months ago, but it’s still valuable meta.
Second game — most recent game — I immediately drew attention to myself with some wolfy RQS questions, and then reacted extremely defensively, digging myself into a hole for the rest of D1. I ended up lynched, and my partner was lynched D2, largely on the strength of my interactions with them, and the fact that there were some very clever masons.
For me to jump so easily from that extraordinary defensiveness to being ‘incredibly easy to townread’... I really can’t see that happening.
First one: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7959
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In post 215, RC most awesomest wrote:this game is 100% a loss if we don't win d1. there is no chance that town doesn't end up turning on us if the coalition fails. we can't afford to have to use precious hours arguing
You are the widest townread right now, mostly for meta that is pretty convincing, but not for nothing besides that. We’re not going to lose if we don’t win D1... plenty of towns win 9p mountainous, and we have extra info.-
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Now I think I’m just spamming out thoughts, but I felt the need to respond to that question about what a UTR was because it was being asked because of somewhere I had used the acronym. I responded to it without fully reading all of what had occurred while I’d been offline, so I didn’t see others’ responses to it. I really don’t see why you bring it up, Hectic.-
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Uh... Sky, that VC reckons that day 1 ends in 7 and a half days.
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Sorry; missed the post informing us that we had four more days than before.
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Yes, I would.In post 229, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Want mr to talk about this, because I can def talk about it and explain what is differentIn post 219, Spangled wrote:Gamma, actually, doesn’t really feel the same to me as the last game we were in; tonally they actually feel a bit weirdly different from how I remember them.-
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I would like to offer an opinion, here — thatIn post 194, RC most awesomest wrote:i think it's a significant mistake for anyone to have spangled in their coalition right now and i feel like doing so is literally making the classic mistake that loses towns games: overlooking the silently scummy people coasting by in favor of focusing on the outrageous or distracting things.maybesome of the fairly inactive people could be scum here, doing the same thing you’re accusing me of doing; coasting, hoping I get lynched today and generally sheeping you, hiding behind the reasoning of how you’re ‘just that awesomely good’, and then maybe letting you lynch EP, and then shooting you N2 once you’ve served your purpose. Or maybe shooting you N1 if Coffeelad is, actually, scum, or if you change your mind or something, I don’t know.
This is not me saying you’re bad at the game, either RC or nsg — but scum can use people whose reads are pointed in the wrong direction.-
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Actually, there’s another good reason that RCMA’s probably town — the general ‘yeah, they’re town’ sort offeelingin the air; it’s the kind of read scum can just sheep because it has unanimously become consensus, if that makes sense.
UTRs on scum tend to be a little different, I think, although I really couldn’t tell you how — it’s just a different feeling that there would be around the gamestate, I think.-
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I do think RC was being unproductive, indeed counterproductive, with that line of thought — again, I didn’t see EP gunning for an RCMA lynch in a way I thought scummy.In post 196, RC most awesomest wrote:
and this isn't meant as a criticism of anyone – it took RC mentioning a scumread on spangled for me to actually read his ISO in a critical manner and realize that i was being lazy to just write him off as town. i think spangled as he's played so far is an incredibly easy person to townread: he's fairly active, he's responding to discussions in a fairly reasonable manner and he's asking people questions. it's just that when you look closer, i think it becomes apparent that everything he's doing makes a lot of sense coming from the perspective of scum!spangled.In post 194, RC most awesomest wrote:i think it's a significant mistake for anyone to have spangled in their coalition right now and i feel like doing so is literally making the classic mistake that loses towns games: overlooking the silently scummy people coasting by in favor of focusing on the outrageous or distracting things.
there have been no controversial stances from him, and indeed seemingly no strong stances whatsoever. most of his responses are reasonable, yes – but none of them offer any insight into his position as someone uninformed of everyone else's alignment. in fact, i'd say it's quite the opposite:
if you look at this quote, i think it's not a stretch at all to see it as someone who wants to contribute to a discussion in a positive manner but who has no personal stake in the meaning of the discussion (given that they already know the answer). someone who wants to be seen saying something, but who doesn't particularly care about what the other people are saying and what it means aboutIn post 173, Spangled wrote:
I don’t think he’s trying not to engage with you as hard as you think; if you give him time and ask him good, pointed questions, rather than deciding as the be-all and end-all on page 7 that he’s probably scum choosing to ignore larger meta in favour of his own experience of your meta — which people are going to naturally default to, especially if they haven’t actually properly meta’d you — we won’t get any kind of consensus on him for a long time, and it will probably be impossible to do so.In post 172, RC most awesomest wrote:Just so we're clear, EP isn't policy. He's taken the same line of play that scum in the vast majority of my recent games have taken with me. Try to discredit me, call me scum while avoiding engagement and discrediting townreads on me. The NSG engagement is even worse, she has a clearly established meta of efforting less as scum and there's even a hydra game of the two of us where we were scum where she literally posted once, and he's handwaving that as well. It's not an honest interaction with my slot: either his approach to this game was clearly defined before game as prevent RChydra from being in the coalition at all costs or he is scum.
It's hard for me to figure out which one is correct so I'm instead choosing to just bucket him as a non-coalition player and hope to win the game without dealing with him.them.
(basically this is a long version of saying that it kind of reminds me of TMI, although not in the scumslip sense)
i mean, where's the comment about what RC's reaction means for his alignment? where's the "i wonder if scum!RC would say this about EP"? where's the "EP has been playing towny this entire game, he's not trying to discredit you"? there's no comment about anyone's alignment at all, just a comment that RC's being unproductive and that "we won't get any kind of consensus".
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I would disagree about ‘having no personal stake’ in the discussion; I very clearly had a stake in the discussion or I would not have asked RC to stop hounding EP in the way they were. If I were scum, I would have no reason to want that to stop; I would make no comment, indeed have no reason to want to appear to be contributing to the discussion in a positive manner — after all, there were (and are) a few people pretty much flat out ignoring this particular discussion (Alchemist being, I think, the best example).
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Fair enough; attempting conciliation between two people — or whatever it was that I was doing; that description is close enough — could be an action taken by scum. But here is my question to you — how much more likely do you think that it comes from scum than town, and can you see how itIn post 243, RC most awesomest wrote:
i disagree – i think that whatever benefit to town could potentially arise out of your attempt to prevent something seen as counterproductive, the gains you would make as scum in appearing to be playing pro-town would outweigh them. perhaps especially so in a setup like this where being townread is of the upmost importance, rather than just going under the radar.In post 234, Spangled wrote:I would disagree about ‘having no personal stake’ in the discussion; I very clearly had a stake in the discussion or I would not have asked RC to stop hounding EP in the way they were. If I were scum, I would have no reason to want that to stop; I would make no comment, indeed have no reason to want to appear to be contributing to the discussion in a positive manner — after all, there were (and are) a few people pretty much flat out ignoring this particular discussion (Alchemist being, I think, the best example).
TL;DR: me!scum want counterproductive, but me!town want no counterproductive. other scum ignore counterproductive; they not make comment
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I don’t really like this... applying pressure is almost always an action town takes...In post 244, NC 39 wrote: not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
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Not really sure what I was trying to say there in its’ entirety, actually — that was a ‘I should have been asleep’ kind of post.In post 246, RC most awesomest wrote:
inactive scum lose day one in this setup, if past results are in any way indicative of the future.In post 232, Spangled wrote:I would like to offer an opinion, here — that maybe some of the fairly inactive people could be scum here, doing the same thing you’re accusing me of doing; coasting, hoping I get lynched today and generally sheeping you, hiding behind the reasoning of how you’re ‘just that awesomely good’, and then maybe letting you lynch EP, and then shooting you N2 once you’ve served your purpose. Or maybe shooting you N1 if Coffeelad is, actually, scum, or if you change your mind or something, I don’t know.
This is not me saying you’re bad at the game, either RC or nsg — but scum can use people whose reads are pointed in the wrong direction.
i'm not sure i understand what exactly you're trying to impart upon me here? mind elaborating?
-nsg
But the core of it is that there are, what, three inactive people — none of whom I’d really trust in a coalition, just because of their inactivity; they haven’t posted enough for any kind of read. In this case, especially with RCMA and EP and me and RCMA going at each other hammer and tongs, if we (or one of us) is not scum, then therearescum who feel that they are just fine being inactive and sheeping you.
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Yeah, I’ve tended to ask more specific questions because there have generally been more specific things to askIn post 281, Hectic wrote:
please doIn post 272, RC most awesomest wrote:I chose not to post my 1500 word rant.
i agreed with nsg's case on Spangled, just forgot to change my vote i guess
i've changed my mind on Spangled again, went through some previous games of his looking for that generic "any reads" question in particular
as an innocent child, couple of times:
In post 1439, Spangled wrote:Hey, FF, any reads to throw out at the moment?
as mafia roleblocker in a newbie game, 0 timesIn post 1320, Spangled wrote:Hey Gamma, any reads to share?
as vanilla town in a newbie game, once:
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as vanilla town in a newbie game, kind of once:
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not sure if that was worth it, but the fact he's never thrown the question out as scum does say something, and i did notice while control-Fing through that he's a lot more prone to ask people about their thoughts/reads in his town games over his scum games, though the questions are usually more specific. who knows though, maybe's he replicating what he does in his town games as scum here, and he's overdoing it with that generic question since it is way more prominent here than any of his other town games
i like his responses to nsg's case though anyway
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If you’re not on board with Alchemist on the lowest rung (that is to say, for the lynch), who are you on board (or most on board) with lynching?In post 283, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Thanks for this, Hectic.In post 282, Hectic wrote:
i think my read is RCMA>Espresso>Spangled>NC 39>Gamma>Clemency/LUV>AlchemistIn post 278, EspressoPatronum wrote:Hey Hectic, what's your coalition read on Gamma? If you were to remove him, who would you replace him with?
i know people will question my Alchemist vote, more of a gutread than anything, i'll go looking for actual reasons tomorrow, it's way too late right now
I'm not sure I'm on board with Alchemist being on the lowest rung, but I think a scum gutread on him is reasonable given his more reactive style.
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What is the something that ‘scum never do’, sorry?In post 271, NC 39 wrote:In post 267, Spangled wrote:
I don’t really like this... applying pressure is almost always an action town takes...In post 244, NC 39 wrote: not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
Or was it how he applied pressure that you didn’t like?CLEARLY.CLEARLY.
this is something scum never do.
of course, you have the "almost always" defense setup.
In post 170, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, NC 39 feels off to me.
These are just weak accusations that he hasn't backed up at all.In post 184, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm concerned about how they're, like, sliding alongside me
Feels like buddying.
And I say “almost always” because it is true — sometimes scum put pressure on people; I’m told that that is a very effective way to appear townie, andwin the game. I tend to find that that is the goal scum aim for, yeah?
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I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I shouldprobablyignore.-
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Myself, although if I remember correctly I kind of appropriated that terminology from someone else’s post that was between that one you’ve quoted and my earlier vote, kind of thinking ‘ah, here’s a good explanation for what I was doing, although thatIn post 291, NC 39 wrote:In post 267, Spangled wrote:
I don’t really like this... applying pressure is almost always an action town takes...In post 244, NC 39 wrote: not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
Or was it how he applied pressure that you didn’t like?Spoiler:
Hey Spangled, I haven’t read the game but I do know you were scum in that. My first reaction to post 267 was, basically, Oh God! you are such a newb to actually believe this but then I saw this post. So, who were you saying was doing the “pressure voting” in 150, Luca Blight or you?kindof wasn’t what I was doing — although if it had been coming from a town perspective that’s what it would have been’... if any of that makes sense-
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No, I have not. The only people I have personal experience with were two of the failed-to-pick-up-Role-PM rep-outs.In post 302, NC 39 wrote:
I should also make it clear, it was Nero who did that. Have you played with Nero before?In post 296, NC 39 wrote:
One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I shouldprobablyignore.-
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What do you mean by ‘trying to get me associated with you’? What kind of agenda do you think they’re pushing as scum, sorry?In post 303, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I'm pretty sure you had a similar reaction to Alchemist's initial statement that he'd remove us from his coalition as when he actually did it. So first off you seem very on edge, which also makes you looks suspicious outside the buddying situation, and second I feel like you're trying to get me associated with you.In post 295, NC 39 wrote:Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.
I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?-
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I hope so. I’ve heard playing with Clemency cited as ‘an experience’, so I’d like you to live up to that
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Oh, and Gamma too, but I was an IC that game and IC games just mess with your brain; no one suspecting you leaves you in a weird state of mind afterwards.In post 304, Spangled wrote:
No, I have not. The only people I have personal experience with were two of the failed-to-pick-up-Role-PM rep-outs.In post 302, NC 39 wrote:
I should also make it clear, it was Nero who did that. Have you played with Nero before?In post 296, NC 39 wrote:
One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I shouldprobablyignore.-
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I’m afraid that you’ve misread that exchange. Gamma was cop in a game with me, and I thought that, this game, her tone was different from how it was then, but she is saying that the fact that she was cop then, in my past experience of her, is the reason her tone is different from that game to this game — if that all follows; it did in my mind but feels tenuous typed.In post 317, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 229, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Want mr to talk about this, because I can def talk about it and explain what is differentIn post 219, Spangled wrote:Gamma, actually, doesn’t really feel the same to me as the last game we were in; tonally they actually feel a bit weirdly different from how I remember them.
Gamma let’s talk about this. If being a Cop changed your tone in that other game why would your tone be similar to your Cop play here when everyone is Vanilla?In post 231, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well I was a cop that game and that affected how I played in that game. I'm not here. Like you saw Persivul poking me for bring different, he was right even though he was scum.-
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@GREAT (if I can abbreviate it like that?)
If you didn’t really care about RC’s meta, what did you think about nsg’s meta (the other head of the RCMA hydra), particularly their scum meta?
Also, what parts of what Gamma says around pages 7/8 were towntelling?
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I just felt that the nsg/RCMA meta was really conclusive regarding their alignment; the thing that really stuck out to me was that in RCMA’s last scumgame was that nsg’s head only posted once that game. Their effort this game seems to incredibly starkly contrast this game, to the point where I’d be willing to townread RCMA based only on that.In post 330, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
it's fine to use that abbreviation. to be honest, i skimmed through all the meta talk. i really don't care about it at all and i felt like i was wasting my time by reading it. i can go back and form an opinion on it, if you want me to.In post 329, Spangled wrote:@GREAT (if I can abbreviate it like that?)
If you didn’t really care about RC’s meta, what did you think about nsg’s meta (the other head of the RCMA hydra), particularly their scum meta?
Also, what parts of what Gamma says around pages 7/8 were towntelling?
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I just felt that the nsg/RCMA meta was really conclusive regarding their alignment; the thing that really stuck out to me was that in RCMA’s last scumgame was that nsg’s head only posted once that game. Their effort this game seems to incredibly starkly contrast that game, to the point where I’d be willing to townread RCMA based only on that.In post 330, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
it's fine to use that abbreviation. to be honest, i skimmed through all the meta talk. i really don't care about it at all and i felt like i was wasting my time by reading it. i can go back and form an opinion on it, if you want me to.In post 329, Spangled wrote:@GREAT (if I can abbreviate it like that?)
If you didn’t really care about RC’s meta, what did you think about nsg’s meta (the other head of the RCMA hydra), particularly their scum meta?
Also, what parts of what Gamma says around pages 7/8 were towntelling?
I feel like I want to townread GREAT; this entrance and catch-up is feeling towny... although I do feel a bit semi-buddied. Why so many mentions of me so far?-
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I can lend some, small level of credibility to this; I have done this as scum, IIRC. But not every revision-typo is a scum-revision-typo; I know I revise some of my posts as scum and town.In post 360, Gamma Emerald wrote:There's actually a tell of weird looking typos being indicators of scum leaving something in the post after revising. I think it has some dumb name.-
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So, pray tell, what do you think their alignment is? Do you have a read on them?In post 377, RC most awesomest wrote:i think youaregreat is going to be the reason scum wins regardless of what their actual alignment is-
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Well, it’s funny, but I don’t have enough strong-ish townreads that I don’t have some kind of strange doubt on to make a full 5. I guess if I included two of my stronger doubtful-townreads (and myself), I might have a coalition, but I’d much rather get some form of a consensus coalition and vote for that.In post 381, Hectic wrote: @Spangled: any reason why you aren't adding people to your coalition? do you not think it's useful for us to see your preferred coalition as it changes?-
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Uh... LUV sort of could be, I guess, but he’s not a scumread, just at the lower end of the PoE. Much like Hectic said, I don’t have anyIn post 334, YOUAREGREAT wrote:who's your top sr right now, spangled?realscumreads — by which I mean the kind I would be fairly sure would flip scum; the kind you might push for the lynch.-
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I mean, if I was to make a coalition, it might look something like GREAT-RCMA-myself-?-?, with the two spaces filled by pretty much anyone but Alch or LUV. I feel like Espresso would be one of my picks, but RC is often touted as an excellent player as town — for which I think the meta, if nothing else, is conclusive — and I feel — in a kind of gambler’s-fallacy sort of way — that it should be unlikely that they’d be wrong onIn post 387, Spangled wrote:
Well, it’s funny, but I don’t have enough strong-ish townreads that I don’t have some kind of strange doubt on to make a full 5. I guess if I included two of my stronger doubtful-townreads (and myself), I might have a coalition, but I’d much rather get some form of a consensus coalition and vote for that.In post 381, Hectic wrote: @Spangled: any reason why you aren't adding people to your coalition? do you not think it's useful for us to see your preferred coalition as it changes?boththeir top scumreads...
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I’m sorry, but I don’t knowIn post 384, Hectic wrote:
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like thisIn post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:This plz
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Do you have any kind of read on me now?In post 188, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was actually a little surprised at how many were Townreading them when I checked the VC. They’re null to me.In post 186, Hectic wrote:Alchemist: i see, thanks. what do you think of so many people townreading Spangled? do you agree/disagree?
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Fair enough. I though GREAT was really towny in that catchup; the reads they formed seemed to follow a logical process, particularly the EP read.In post 393, Alchemist21 wrote:
You’re still null to me. I don’t trust your self-meta to pin you down as Town. It might help me if you tell me why you think Great is Towny. I don’t want Great in the Coalition and I have a reason for it but I want to hear your reason for including them first.In post 392, Spangled wrote:
Do you have any kind of read on me now?In post 188, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was actually a little surprised at how many were Townreading them when I checked the VC. They’re null to me.In post 186, Hectic wrote:Alchemist: i see, thanks. what do you think of so many people townreading Spangled? do you agree/disagree?
What about Hectic?
Hectic’s still a scumread.
Also, I really get where they’re coming from as far as repping into Clemency because they thought the slot was obvtown — I really don’t enjoy playing scum, so when I see a game I want to rep into and there’s a spot open, I always ISO the slot and see if it’s either fairly inactive (but townily inactive, if that makes sense) or something I think I would townread.
And, also, how they mentioned that fact about their rep-in but didn’t kind ofpushthe idea their slot was obvtown via Clemency’s few posts on us I quite liked. I also like their analysis of Gamma; I don’t think I quite agree with it but it is a new perspective on a slot that everyone seems to mildly townread(?) so far and it just generally gives a new take, which I think is hard for scum repping in to do.
I think that my desire to put them into the coalition may still come out of some buddying; they say ‘I’m not buddying you’ but then compliment me (as it were) on the towniness of my posts... but I think might be paranoia, especially if no one else is seeing that...?
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Spoiler= and quote tags interact weirdly, especially spoiled quoted spoilers and so on. We’ll figure it out.In post 399, Alchemist21 wrote:Idk how I messed up the spoiler tags. That first paragraph outside the spoiler isn’t even mine, just the second one.-
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Well, it wasn’t so much him doing what he says he does as scum; he seems to have completely siteflaked, I think, not just disappeared here. No, it’s more around the boldness and WIFOM-ness of the statement, if he was scum — if he knows he freezes up as scum (and probably has done so recently?) he’s definitely not going to mention it, is he?In post 398, Alchemist21 wrote:I can see your points on Great pushing against status quo a bit. However I think there’s too much wifom on their rep-in remarks about Clemency. Clemency doing what even he says he does as scum could be null because real life stuff happens but it certainly shouldn’t be a good sign that he’s Town to anyone. And they might not have hard pushed the idea but they are the one who introduced the idea and it comes off as a bit LAMIST for their slot and there’s just no way I can trust it enough for a Coalition vote.