Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

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Both the claim and the who cares parts*

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I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

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you know, wouldn't scum aim higher with the

first

claim in the game?

i suppose that if Luna is scum, her role isn't important at all.

i was expecting a better claim, like doctor, jailkeeper or something if she was scum because at least she could out one power role that town must have in a large theme

VOTE: unvote

maybe Luna isn't a good lynch on day 1 afterall?

VOTE: Theta

and can we get some votes on Theta already? i imagine i don't need even to explain her case?

and i can get behind a TGP lynch maybe.

only maybe though. i'll think about it.

Wtf?!?!?!

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And if need be I will note my numerous allusions to it.

Eat rope Luna Nova.

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I will type something up tonight when I have had a chance to cool down a bit but if Luna is not scum I would be VERY surprised.

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I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

Why do you not believe similar roles can be in the same game? Why would mastina give us this role as scum if they thought it'd get us auto cc'd, think logically here Mathblade
~Diana

I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

wait, how are you close to a human neighborizer but it's not a neighborizer yourself?

isn't that completely different?

it's a large theme and if it's not

exactly

the same role, i don't think that outing yourself for a

similar

role is of any use

i don't know the specifics but are you

sure

that it's valid as a counterclaim and it's not possible for you guys to

coexist

?

I am kinda a mix of neighborizer enabler/other power enabler/cooperator.

It’s like mastina gave me a role completely antithesis to how I operate. This role would be Titus’s dream. It’s kinda similar to the one game we hydra’d together and stomped scum with JaeReed and Postie sorta not. It’s like weird. Definitely give props to mastina for creativity. It’s definitely new. Like I don’t even know how to explain without fullclaiming. In my 10+ years of mafia I have never seen a role mechanic like this.

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And before you ask I have no relation to enabling the Luna Nova hydra.

I am using the enabler as a description. Just this role omg.

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Ursula do you maintain the human neighborizer claim?

I have a weird penchant to do that to people. I broke wiggles1993’s 1 year plus on MU. However I don’t want to break your record if you’re town.

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Now that’s something that I could believe might exist. Masonizer no.

A regular neighborizer maaaaybe. That makes a lot more sense.

I want some time to think about this when I haven’t been up since like 6.

VOTE: Unvote

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VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Looks guys, a shiny alternative at 5 votes

I mean I'm fine with this too.

I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

Uh? Neighborizer=/=masonizer or am I dumb here.

I don’t exactly buy you’re claim you don’t get it but it’s a grammar thing.

A human neighborizer is one who can neighborize only humans. Humans, such as myself, are town.
A neighborizer who is human has no modifier and can neighborize anyone.

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I second that notion. I too am puzzled by Mathblade here. This making up/claiming of random roles that are full of magic and wonder and fairytales reminds me vaguely of a scum game of them I read a long time ago. Like there was a reasonable thing they could be alluding to that seemed very plausible, but now the claim is changing to something completely else?

Its almost as if Mathblade realized their fakeclaim they were working up wouldve been made very implausible by what Luna was about to flip.

??? I feel like my brain died and hasn’t woken up yet.

In no way does this post make sense.

I can’t have changed my claim I never full claimed in the first place.
I am not even sure how I could safely.

This entire day has made my brain feel like scrambled eggs.

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I just hope it doesnt mean the werewolves get to turn humans into wolves

.....Uhmmm I think that would be the literal definition of cult game and bastard.

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Oh Gawd

Mastina did you make Twilight?

I am going to work. It was a mistake to come back here. I feel like scum have an accurate idea what is going on and are laughing at me.

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Chica I am a dude in second puberty going on like 3 hours of sleep for the second night in a row posting at the only times I can.

You’re lucky my posts are in English.

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I do t have time to read three pages at work.

Any highlights/questions to me?

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I do t have time to read three pages at work.

Any highlights/questions to me?

It’s midnight and have had stomach issues all night.

Desire to catch up is null will do it tomorrow.

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Assuming my dr appt goes okay.

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Okay prod received and I'll be here shortly.

Top of my head, MathBlade CCing neighbouriser reminds me sharply of another game with an alien and a jk where that went really badly for them, so no clue what he's doing here.

Out of leading options I most like the wagon on Swimmer.

Uhmmm are you okay?

That game you’re referring to is mod is mafia and I was scum and it went well for me? It went bad for town.

Like wtf? I am going to work.

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Omg I was being dumb I get your point now.

Wow. Well damn. Perfect fucking storm looks like possibly.

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Everyone less activity (not V/LA) for a dr appt and RL today.

I am hoping to come back to more content than I know what to do with people. Let’s get some talky talky up in here.

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Someone who's around, convince me on your vote?

So Mathblade is A. Making a really bad and probably fake? Counter claim and B. Trying to break Lunas streak of not being mislynched. Both of those things are bad and reasons to kill mathblade

Or C << I am an idiot. #mathFails

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like for the record I'm not classifying Mathblade as a deepwolf, he is at worst a partially filled cup of water wolf

but in {RC/Creature/NSG/Hebichan/Cheeky/Vecna/Mathblade} like 90% of the time there's no more than one wolf and most of the time if there is one it's mathblade

if you continually lynch town sure maybe it's time to start getting worried but no one needs to be sitting there spending the entirety of D1 throwing shade at me and hiding behind the fact that I can't just lynch them on principle for being obnoxious because they don't try in their scum games

I don't know at what point more games than not involved someone trying to push policy lynches at me, even in lobbies where I was careful about the playerlist, but it's stupid.

I'm pulling an Almost50.

Someone wanna be a doll and tell me what I see wrong in this post? Because IMHO there is something very very wrong with this post that has be nervous.

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Am I the only one who sees it though or am I just nuts? I gotta go but there's something wrong there.

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Computers are pretty overpowered. Elli was nothing special in his first run on site.

Computers are not good at mafia.

I take pride in breaking them down into 1s and 0s til they cry exceptions.

This is a fancy prod dodge had some stuff run over gonna catch up at work tomorrow if I can.

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....I literally proved it before the day began.

I am in a hood with X other people and we vote to neighborize or kill. Hence why I wasn’t exactly the same. I townread some of the members but one of whom is raising my brows some. And if there are any others they are somewhere between town and null. I do not actively scumread anyone in my hood.

Hence why don’t think Luna is legit. The reason I unvoted is two fold 1) Keychain and others has a valid point about possibility and 2) I am busy prepping for a surgery I will have soon, getting a lot of personal affairs in order and working a ton of overtime to hit some dates. So yeah I am not pushing anyone. I haven’t fucking read anything new except this page. I joined this game as a favor to Mastina. Hell even as scum I am doing something but here I am not.

I asked the people with me in the hood to do something and if I am not tissue paper tomorrow it will be proven.

And Beautiful I am not a she you know this.

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Because of my perceived alignments of the other players I did not believe Luna and still kinda don’t but do.

The other X people have crumbed in validation of this. I have to go but pushing this dichotomy is bullshit.

I am truthtelling and y’all fucking suck at reading me.

I am going to catch up at SOME point just not now.

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.....*facepalm*

Yes I am third party and talk with my other third party mates at the start of the game /sarcasm

Sounds completely third party.

Lovingly wtf?

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You're in a neighborhood with a bunch of other people who haven't confirmed this, and you can kill or join people in the neightborhood, how does that not sound more like a cult than a town role to you?

I can’t kill people in the hood.

I do not act alone.

A neighborize is not a cult? Like I don’t know where you’re getting this from?

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We agree/disagree on a course of action.

And they HAVE confirmed this in crumbs. I am just not outing them to scum.

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You are more than welcome to push this drivel but quite frankly it’s embarrassing.

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I'm not even sure why you fullclaimed. We were already lynching your counterclaim, you weren't pushing them, and I've gone from nulltown to being vastly confused on what your play is here, and who the hell designed that role if its real.

I fullclaimed because on the last page people were pushing the exact dichotomy that Keychain brought up is not necessarily wrong. People were going down the wrong path.

If scum kill me the hood still exists and can still act so it was low risk high reward to clarify the silliness.

Hence earlier when I said I wouldn’t be able to explain while fullclaiming.

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It’s also why I think a masonizer is too much but a regular neighborizer could be possible.

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....I literally proved it before the day began.

Wait a miunte! You had a N0 action? Please tell me more.. I mean, NOT about the current neighborhood, but about your ability. (1) Can you still add more people to it? (2) Are you going to act tonight?

P.S. I wouldn't have asked if you didn't already spell it out. I mean, I would have preferred if you didn't, but since you already did I see no harm in asking for these specific two points.

I don’t have an n0 action. It started that way.

Me and the X people in the hood were talking before day one. Day one it locks. Night one it will reopen.

N1 we vote to neighborize/kill as Theta summarized.
Am I acting tonight? I hope so? Depends on how the vote goes and what people agree on tonight.

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/confirm out with friends

^^ subtle reference to n0 hoodification I was in. I was indeed out with friends it was just more ways than RL.

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I am afk until tonight.

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Because moons rotate around the earth and eventually end up in the right position for the lunar eclipse that makes me see Yuurei is town.

#mathIsDrunk
#moonLogic

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I was gonna catch up tonight but beer and things look kinda settled. If Luna gets replaced I am voting there to not force a replace. I mean it feels like scum have given up which is weird.

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What do you mean it feels like scum has given up?

If Luna is town, scum have no reason to make a fuss about this lynch. If Luna is scum, their partners will probably be pushing TGP or HWS to be lynched instead unless this town is accidentally magic and all three are scum.

Except like none of that is happening...

Like nothing is.

It’s weird.

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If Luna is scum scum would try to save her and aren’t.

If Luna is town then scum don’t fuss but at the same time there would be some sort of activity or something.

The fact this is a theme game deader than a few doornails means problem.

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This I can answer

I'm guessing you townread those posts from HWS, why is that? Rereading them reminds me why I think he's scum. Also I'm not sure what you mean by referencing 1206 from RC next to Luna and what your note there means, maybe you explained this at a later point though.

Why do those posts ping you as scum? I read that as clear town frustration and confusion.

I referenced 1206 but I meant 1026, but its not about what luna says in this post, its that they let theta mistake definition for luna (see 1019) but clearly read the post. It's even more important considering that theta post was a vote, saying that the 3-headed hydra should not be lurking this hard (and then it happens).

Oh okay that post makes more sense. I'm not sure if you read Definition's first and only post, but it definitely could have been construed to mean that Definition was a kuribo/T-Bone/Untrod Tripod hydra. Like when I read Theta's post, that's what I assumed she thought.

Those posts don't look clear town to me, the first one looks more like faking outrage in response to hebi's poking. The second one doesn't bother me so much, but looks like its purpose is to discredit hebi's read. It doesn't look that towny to me.


Can you go into your Yuurei townread too?

If Luna is scum scum would try to save her and aren’t.

If Luna is town then scum don’t fuss but at the same time there would be some sort of activity or something.

The fact this is a theme game deader than a few doornails means problem.

Your second point seems like kind of a stretch here. Why would scum bother with activity when town is lynching town?

Because the gamestate is theirs for the taking. When I play scum I get townread and then get town prepped to push town the next day and the cycle repeats. Look at mod is mafia for an example. Here it’s like scum don’t care.

VOTE: Luna Nova

Oh and since I am full claimed I was gonna use the below video to crumb

Spoiler warning this has footage for the recently released beyond human that I want to play so bad

https://youtu.be/9XtJnzn5Imk

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What’s going on is I am very confused. As I said before this doesn’t make sense. Apathy is creeping in and it needs to stop.

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Lol in regards to the gamestate I just know something is wrong.

If the majority townread were right then scum would try to counter that somehow
If the majority townread aren’t right then scum would have control of the game to their advantage.

Like nothing happening is the gamestate atm which is confusing af.

Mainly my townreads all seem to townread each other so that seems good but at the same time I am deliberately avoiding stating townreads in case scum don’t understand the crumb of Math so like I think we are in a good spot.

What pisses me off and worried me a small bit is the apathy. It seems scum driven especially with 3 headed hydra receiving a prod.

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Like if scum want me to be vocal so they can prop me up with all the wrong things I say but since I am not due to RL and other things then they may be scared of actually doing something accidentally invoking tunnel me?

That’s my fear atm.

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Gonna guess TGP was vigged there.

I can 100% say that hewhoswims is town.

VOTE: vecna

Wasn’t us.

Our group recruited instead. It was a good shot though IMO.

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Why that vote on me hebi? you really buy into Ankamius and creature's shenanigans there that my calling for a hammer is scummy? When it is extremely obvious the hammer was gonna fall there regardless and the day had lasted way too long already anyway? Because if anything it smells to me that either of them, or maybe both of them already knew it was gonna flip town and they wanted me to look bad for it.

I do.

VOTE: Vecna

Like there is no way I am scum here. I don’t counter claim Luna yesterday as scum. Like it just wouldn’t happen.

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I mean, he wants Math to vote in Luna and when Luna flipped town he wants to scum read Math.

Like, someone help me here understand this please

+1

I don’t believe in brownie points but would if I did.

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ok, Aronis, question time

do you want to talk me through what you are up to in this game or something?

I mulling over it but I'm beginning to think that you're a even better lynch than Theta for a lot of reasons.

Do you think I care what you think? If I did I probably wouldn't be voting you and trying to get you killed.

Like there is two scenarios here:
A. You're really bad at this game
B. You're scum

In both instances I'm best off putting zero weight into your opinions. At this point all you're gonna do with your questions is set me up for another 'scumslip'

....Both of you knock it off please.

This reads like TvT.

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Unless Math wants to start up that conversation we got very rudely cut off from again

Whatever helps you sort me I am down for.

I am pretty damn sure you’re town because *reasons* so if you want to continue what you were doing before by all means.

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Assuming math is town, I am town and HeWhoSwims is town.

What do people think are the most likely scum?

We have at least three scum and at least a few are not lurking.

Given all that, where do we think scum might be?

I need to look at some vote counts quick.

Vecna. Like hard core.

I think he set me up when I was waffling on Luna being scum.

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Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Can you like NOT hard PR claim please?

Like seriously.

A protective is down and out for the count.

Yes I realize I am a hypocrite here but I know I have a few people who can back me up if needed and if I die town doesn’t lose any power. It was a safe counter claim for that reason. I am in a hood with at least 3 other people now so like a neighborizer just seems fuckin weird.

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Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Did you really claim an investigative this early in the game?

I'm a PT checker.

I could have hit a mason or Math's neighbors or scum, or lunas pt if she somehow survived.

So yes, I happened to hit like one of the few people in the world without a pt.

Oh god damn it.

Why?

*shakes head*

Like seriously. You could have just let a wagon form on HWS and see what we get from wagon info from that. Why on earth did you fucking claim? Are you trying to protect HWS here?

Wait I don’t think scum would be that bad. You can be conf town.

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VOTE: Aronis

if you don't have something pretty big up on your sleeve and I'm being a idiot by not realizing I'm getting 101% salty with you post game Aronis

you've been fucking around so much that it's not even a joke anymore

Oh my god....please....stop.

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VOTE: Yuurei

explanations

even more when you had already retracted your scum read on me.

do you want me to do in details of why Aronis is fucking things up here?

It'll only benefit scum but I'm so pissed that I can do it right now.

that was yesterday.

Today is today.

I have no idea what the fuck aronis is on.

My scumreads are in you, vecna, RC and ank.

I have no idea what the fuck anyone is on and I am going to be in surgery on Tuesday so y’all are gonna get high Math.

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no wait, hebichan must be town.

When she claimed that hws wasn't scum I thought that she was planning to carry out a Seer claim or something that would make us hesitate to lynch her later on, but claiming to be a PT investigative isn't going to prevent her lynch at all, therefore her motivation to do it either was a very well planned attempt to get town credit, or to purely inform us that HWS wasn't scum.

I don't believe that she would list out a very viable supposedly mislynch while not getting too much town credit like as how it happened. Not only that, I don't know if scum would fake claim something like PT investigative when it's kind of risky, although it seems reasonable based on the fact that it seems to exist a lot of private topics in this game.

Hmmm...yeah...I feel good calling Hebichan town right now. If anyone disagree you can say why.

why can't you understand that all the people I was hard scumreading were town?

Given that I have to look at the vote record,

and between you voting me and all around only voting town yesterday

, I don't know what else to tell you.

Hebichan, you realize that you voted on the same people right? and that you even were one of the late votes on Luna right?

but my read on you and Theta for example, although considers that, relies on plenty of other things as well

Plus, my top scum read from the begin of this game to now it's Theta. I wanted to vote Theta like 99% of the time in this game, cased her but no one gave a fuck. I only go to vote TGP or HWS later because I prefer them to a Luna lynch.

I understand you reevaluating things but it's your third read on me already and you don't have much to back it up

I didn't particularly strong town read your play yesterday, and I'm trying to revulate what happened. If you want me to stop voting you, get off this aronis bullshit and help me figure out where scum actually is because you don't seem to actually scumread him that hard.

No, I scum read him hardly, but I'm simply balancing things because he can simply be a VI this time around.

By the way, I think that my suggestion to who to lynch is pretty clear and no one pointed out anything wrong with it:

THETA.

I could do Theta but I really really want Vecna.

Theta to be frank is someone who if they are scum as I suspect will crumble rather easily under pressure. However people like that don’t spew other buddies either.

And don’t be mad but Aronis is almost certainly town. I doubt the mason claim but I am pretty sure he is town.

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I kinda just preempted the HWS thing, both because hes an easy mislynch given my misread and also he is a lurker.

I also didn't want to be called out on flipping on HWS out of the blue.

....

That’s why you wait until it is absolutely necessary to say something. Like I am SUPER good at crumb hunting. You trust me. I will 100% defend those who I believe are town to my last dying breath. I may be a fucking idiot. I may be loud. But have faith that I can and will protect those I believe are town.

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ok, so I cooled my head a bit and here is where I'm at now:

I. Vecna was the first one to share the information that there potentially may exist werewolves aligned with town. Something that doesn't have much scum motivation to it since we were assuming that werewolf = scum, and human = town. If there's werewolves aligned with town there may very well be humans aligned with scum and exposing that isn't doing any favors to the bad guys. It's actually the opposite.

......Like are you listening to yourself right now? I have a fucking idea why it’s pro scum. Think varsoon games or twilight or almost any goddamn series with superheroes. There is always THAT guy. That is why it’s pro scum.

II. Hebichan recently did claim a innocent on hewhoswims since he apparently aren't in any PT (and scum very probably has a PT), so Hebichan and Hewhoswims seems like town

III. Aronis and Nosferatus have their claim and I'm going to look at that later depending of how things develop, for now they can get out of my lynch pool but I'm upset with Aronis anyway

Aronis should have never been in it and the mason thing is a joke. Aronis does this. Along with be a Facebook meme asking what your favorite X is at the start of the game

IV. Creature has some posts being too jerky and condensing to be scum!Creature in my opinion (for example 654 677, 682), if I'm wrong here call me out because I'm no specialist in Creature.

Creature is town. And if he isn’t (which doesn’t match this at all) his scum play is so fucking horrible he will be caught by everyone here.

My issue is with Ankamius and Mathblade.

> Ankamius after hebichan claimed to be a PT investigative asked if her requested PT would count in hebichan investigation, I would like to town read it but maybe she's trying to get a excuse to use in case of hebichan getting a guilty on her. However, the thing is, why didn't she waited until hebichan investigated her if that was the case? I want to town lean but I'm indecise here

Leave Ank alone. She is town

> Same thing can be said about Math. He instantly counterclaimed Luna even when his role is apparently a bit different. That kinda implies that he truly thought Luna was scum fake claiming because if he was scum, he would know she wasn't lying and when she flipped a neighborizer, things would get ugly to him. Of course there is the probability of him not thinking it through and just claiming for a quick lynch, but again, I'm indecise but I want to town lean here

I need a facepalm GiF and a ton of ice cream from my kitchen

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Now, the funny thing is that I'm losing confidence in all of my d1 reads. I'm obviously not one that can blame her since I did it myself, but NSG is lurking. NSG lurking isn't necessarily alignment indicative, maybe she's simply disinterested in the game. However, it's not a good sign.

About RC I'm more leaning towards null. His frustration in day 1 seemed genuine because I saw a game that he was in such a situation, so I uninterested in a lynch here right now even though I'm null on him.

Keychain is...well...normal...? I mean, I don't see anything scummy in her posts (I'll re:read), however I don't see anything that can't be faked as well. Even if she seems to put effort in scum hunting.

The rest of the player list I don't have much to say, they have good points but have bad points so compared to my other reads, I'm putting they in my lynch pool.

That's all I guess.

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Now we're talking Cheeky!

VOTE: Theta

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT
Concept

I'll catch up soon.

Alright this is the start. This right here. This is where I explain to all you people why im very obviously town, and why im HIGHLY suspicious of a bunch of people.

Go ahead and google three-pronged trouser god + mafiascum + kuribo. Its a soft for a mason.

I can hide it some more, but scum is 100% guaranteed to have figured this on day one, or by now. Aronis figured it out im sure, and there were a bunch of others as well.

Now im not sure whether this was supposed to be a "well-hidden" soft or not, but it allready seemed extremely careless to me to soft mason in this way. Maybe it did happen. Maybe theyre town, scum didnt figure it out, and I just outted them. The chances scum doesnt know it yet (IF DEFINITION/ANK are town) seems extremely low to me, thats why I want to townclear myself and get rid of all this suspicions.

So options:

A: Ank is town mason. Scum figured it out, and want me to distract and go head-to-head to ankamius, and figured A50 was a better kill even though they didnt know if he was a PR.

B: Its a scum fakeclaim provided by Mastina. It would fit with the role that Hebichan is claiming here. Provide a reasonable fakeclaim to deal with a PT-cop in case scum get caught.

Im not sure which of the two it is. Ill provide more on some other stuff I noted along the way though in the next post.

......Can you like NOT out people are softing?

Wait you’re scum.

Nevermind go scumclaim harder.

[MathBlade]

wait, I honestly hadn't even saw that post from definition but I dunno if scum figured it out or not, and I searched it up and it seems like that was the name of a hydra from some old players, and apparently, the unique game they played they were indeed a town mason.

But I dunno if that really was a soft...

I believe it is a soft but not for mason and that is ALL I will say on that. It’s why I discouraged A50 from starting up definition stuff.

[MathBlade]

RC is town.

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT
Concept

I'll catch up soon.

***Erase erase erase ***

Pretty sure anyone voting Definition is gonna learn the definition of smack down.

***Erase erase erase ***

I suggest we all do pressure this slot (Definition) to either post or replace out. Ankamius is at the top of the replacements queue, and I believe there are enough players who can read her in this game.

P-edit: Mathblade? Help with Definition?

No. I have reasons. Not sure how much I can say. But look at my response to their post. Not interested in their lynch today.

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

Bad vote.

Because I said so. Look at my response.

And this is why I was suspicious of Mathblade in connection. He clearly saw the soft as well. Yet the way how he keeps putting attention on it.......does not feel like a town trying to protect another town PR whatsoever.

Ive asked Ankamius repeatedly how she felt about Mathblade being to obvious repeatedly, but she didnt seem to mind/respond to it at all.

So hey, tell me if im being crazy. I do not think its a stretch at all that Mathblade and definition were cooking up a scum fakeclaim here. Maybe its mathblade as scum doing something. Maybe im seeing ghosts and theyre both town.

It all feels suspicious as hell to me though.

Especially the way Mathblade was threading around the Luna claim. Felt to me like he realized the fakeclaim they were going for had to change. Having a masonizer and a town Neighbouriser in one game could be seen as weird.

Now I -might- be wrong here. Im not 100% convinced this is what happened, and that it is scum. But it should explain to people why ive been saying the things ive been saying, and had the reads ive had.

so please, use some logic. If im scum here, I wouldve known which of these were town pr's, I wouldve shut up about it, and just eliminated all of them one by one.

So let me get this straight.

You’re assuming as scum i would go

“Hey look!!! This is a town PR!! And proceed not to kill it?!?!?!”

I then counterclaim someone I believed I was scum claiming and no I must be scum lying about having a hood despite the fact I have made it abundantly clear I crumbed since post one and Luna’s claim was absolutely bullshit. So yes I will have my “scum buddies” *cough* neighbors *cough* vouch for me.

Like if you are town you are so far up the OMG Math sucks train simply because I am here. I haven’t driven a damn thing or tried to push or control AT ALL. The only thing I did was CC Luna and then Keychain brought up a valid point.

[MathBlade]

That vote stays there untill I get the same game-solvey vibe from you Mathblade. So far you've been leading the inquisition on both Luna and TGP, but when it came time to put them into the grave you didnt vote for a week and stayed at a safe distance.

Ive lost the town vibes on your slot, and I think this type of "going in on a fake-claim" would be exactly how you'd approach scum in a game like this.

I am literally bending over backwards in a role designed for someone like Titus or you trying my damndest to make it work and doing my damndest to make sure town is not going to implode on itself and I am doing my damndest NOT to be pissed at you Vecna.

This only works if I am not leader Mc Leaderson and I am shut up listen and stop my townreads from fucking eating each other.

I am sorry I am not Civ Mafia me. No one wants that me.

[MathBlade]

Ok

Let's fix it

What are your thoughts on the current gangstas?

I wanted to write gamestate but that auto correct was too good to resist

Lol in regards to the gamestate I just know something is wrong.

If the majority townread were right then scum would try to counter that somehow
If the majority townread aren’t right then scum would have control of the game to their advantage.

Like nothing happening is the gamestate atm which is confusing af.

Mainly my townreads all seem to townread each other so that seems good but at the same time I am deliberately avoiding stating townreads in case scum don’t understand the crumb of Math so like I think we are in a good spot.

What pisses me off and worried me a small bit is the apathy. It seems scum driven especially with 3 headed hydra receiving a prod.

Like if scum want me to be vocal so they can prop me up with all the wrong things I say but since I am not due to RL and other things then they may be scared of actually doing something accidentally invoking tunnel me?

That’s my fear atm.

Hammertime? Anyone?

you've been hard up my ass about reading things before posting before, so I don't see an issue of expecting you to pay attention to what's going on before making calls like that

Yay common fucking sense.

[MathBlade]

Now I am very limited access until Tuesday of which I may be higher than a kite on pain meds from surgery

Just please for the love of townie don’t do any stupid shit while I am AFK.

Vecna or Theta.

[MathBlade]

V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday

[MathBlade]

Because of my perceived alignments of the other players I did not believe Luna and still kinda don’t but do.

The other X people have crumbed in validation of this. I have to go but pushing this dichotomy is bullshit.

I am truthtelling and y’all fucking suck at reading me.

I am going to catch up at SOME point just not now.

...Really?

Really?

Yes Vecna please continue to insist on me being scum when I already suggested the crumbing and got my hood mates to fucking do it. Please continue to “force” me to crumb when I already said I was doing it in the hood before your suggestion.

And if I am lying then if I would have X+1 people vote me

instantly

.

So you’re trying to look like you’re “helping” by making this suggestion. When I already caught this fucking possibility. The entire point of the hood is to mix recruits and kills in such a way that it acts as a masonry. Hence why I didn’t believe a masonizer could exist.

And with the X+1 people in the hood of X people agree to vig someone and the last person doesn’t agree hello scum claim if they say no.

I am REALLY pissed off by your antics here Vecna. I get it: You don’t like me. But at least give two shits to read what I am posting first.

[MathBlade]

Glad to see you turned around on me Hebi :p

Anyway, if we "force" Mathdino to keep recruiting he could later claim who's in his group? If that number exceeds the amount of scum we anticipate then Math should probably be town, a role like this (extra mill possibility) seems very powerful for scum. I wouldn't think claiming who's there is a very bad idea if there's like 5 people in there but what do you think? (Sorry if this is stupid)

It’s not smart because then eventually you invite all the scum and can never vig.

And I am not Mathdino lol.

And I agree it IS potentially powerful for scum but it is also very powerful for town. That’s why I had a plan from the start to catch scum in it should that be a thing.

I have been crumbing who is in it each and every day because of the fact then the vigs are accounted for if they happen and if recruits happen it’s clear on who.

[MathBlade]

actually I already caught the soft to who is in Math's hood

that's one of the reasons I think if he is scum here, it's not because of the counter claim thing but because of how he circles on definition soft

I'm pretty sure that it's more than 2 people by the soft, so it's either 3, 4 or 5. If it was a fakeclaim being cooked up, it would mean that more than likely more than half of the scum team would be in it.

Do you think that scum team takes that kind of risky so easily for...not much in terms of rewards?

I don't think so.

Not only that, but in bullshit scum!me world, where I am not telling the truth, then I will have torpedoed the game for the rest of my “buddies” (that don’t exist) so unless you’re thinking I convinced X people to lie then this hood does exist.

And if I convinced X people to lie, if X is 2 then that would mean if 4 scum that would be all but one. If three scum the entire team would lie with me. If X is 3 same problem.

What exists IS a mastina quandary she likes to do a fuck ton. Is your hood a masonry? Do you risk inviting someone else into it and potentially telling scum who is in it? How do you protect against scum in the hood?

Omg.

Like seriously. Yes I get it. I was absolutely atrocious but you’re legit not thinking about the consequences of me being scum here and what follows.

If this is what you felt like during Civ for days on end when I was a fucking idiot I am sorry.

[MathBlade]

And I can’t believe it is being this stupid right now.

VOTE: Theta Alpine

For the record Vecna is the new me this game or scum. No other alternative. Fucking reset or I can and will suggest that the hood vig you for the sake of game progression Vecna. I am not convinced you’re town but if you are you actually may need a policy vig. I don’t see how this game fucking goes anywhere if all you do is continue your inanity especially when I am gonna come out of surgery the last thing I want to see is a pile of bullshit that will make my heart rate explode.

[MathBlade]

Unless it bothered to actually look up the games where I am good. Oh yeah it was with a hydra partner or a mason. Just like....shit. I can’t take this. I am gonna go keep cleaning.

[MathBlade]

Just checking in that I'm alive.

After day 20 I can return to my normal activity.

You sure you’re not hungry for more?

I am sure there has got to be something to pull you out of your shell and get your dragon teeth chewing on scum.

[MathBlade]

*sigh*

Damn it.

Maybe you’ll find free time later.

Can you at least leave behind a bread crumb of wisdom before you go disappear until day 20?

[MathBlade]

hi everyone. i'll give this game a read-through soon, but i'll probably end up skimming some of it because life is too short.

in the meantime, what should i know? are there any claims/confirmed town/etc?

I started the game in a hood that can recruit or kill each night. Last night we recruited. I have been leaving hints of who is recruited each night.
I counterclaimed Luna who was a neighborizer that I thought was claiming masonizer.
Hebichan is a claimed PT cop who says HeWhoSwins is innocent.

I am kinda busy getting ready for some RL shit so if I missed something someone add it.

[MathBlade]

Pretty much my role is “I can’t believe it’s not cult”

[MathBlade]

Sort of and no.

I started of with X people and now we are at X+1. I have been crumbing people but not outright stating it.

[MathBlade]

for the record there's literally always at least one scum in the starting hood

Except when their isn’t.

Mastina has done hoods with no starting scum.
Same with Titus.

I

think

Alisae has.

My memory is like sausage atm

[MathBlade]

i lied about not asking questions. is there a specific reason why you're not revealing the amount of people that you started with, and the names of them? why is the hood secretive?

I am crumbing not outright revealing.

It’s for the best of both worlds.

So that way there is accountability for the actions taken in the hood because of the crumbs
But at the same time not directly outing who is in the hood means scum can’t neutralize it.

[MathBlade]

Because of my perceived alignments of the other players I did not believe Luna and still kinda don’t but do.

The other X people have crumbed in validation of this. I have to go but pushing this dichotomy is bullshit.

I am truthtelling and y’all fucking suck at reading me.

I am going to catch up at SOME point just not now.

...Really?

Really?

Yes Vecna please continue to insist on me being scum when I already suggested the crumbing and got my hood mates to fucking do it. Please continue to “force” me to crumb when I already said I was doing it in the hood before your suggestion.

And if I am lying then if I would have X+1 people vote me

instantly

.

So you’re trying to look like you’re “helping” by making this suggestion. When I already caught this fucking possibility. The entire point of the hood is to mix recruits and kills in such a way that it acts as a masonry. Hence why I didn’t believe a masonizer could exist.

And with the X+1 people in the hood of X people agree to vig someone and the last person doesn’t agree hello scum claim if they say no.

I am REALLY pissed off by your antics here Vecna. I get it: You don’t like me. But at least give two shits to read what I am posting first.

[MathBlade]

i don't think you're lying about the people in your hood. that said, if the hood is just x amount of players and being in the hood means nothing for your alignment, then why does it matter if the scum try to neutralize it?

Because let’s say for example the game started with three people. And devil’s advocate, there is scum in the hood. I doubt it.

Now if scum kill in the hood and recruit failed this means 1 scum one town. This means the only people ever being recruited are people scum want in there. The only people being killed or recruited scum want to have happen.

By the kill being outside the hood means that they may not have been able to pick up who is in it.
2KPN is insane power for scum.

Plus they would have to NK me who is widely regarded as well crappy.

[MathBlade]

Is it bad I want to overpower you right now with examples of sucksge?

Like there is Civ Mafia which was bad. Townreads good scumreads ewwwww

Then there is a game on MU where I named damn near the entire scumteam on a Mash.

I should be called Mr. Swingy.

[MathBlade]

I'm near 100% that at least one scum started in a hood, mastina thinks in terms of unintended consequences and if the hood always vigged and the neighbourizer was lynched D1 the pt cop becomes a full cop and I also think it's extraordinarily unlikely that there's a town neighbourizer, town vig, then s hood with only town that can neighbourize and vig. Maybe if the other kill ends up being a serial killer but I'd expect knife flavour.

Phone posting sucks

How are you doing key?

No,no,no,and just hell no.

RC are you scum? Cuz this is all kinda of bad.

If anything Hebichan is designed to give false positives.
Almost50 with the jailkeeper.
Luna Nova with the neighborizer.
If anything the powers are designed to where we shoot ourselves in the foot.
What is a great way to make a vig weaker? Force agreement.
What is a great way to make a recruit weaker? Force agreement.

If anything this points to the hood being all town no scum in it at all.

[MathBlade]

Thank you for killing off my suspicions of your slot 100% again RC. Its almost scary how similair my thoughts are on most of the people.

What are your thoughts, from setup spec pov, on both having 2 masons and a PT cop in an 18p game?

Flavourwise, having a scum traitor in the Mathblade hood would be A+. Having the traitor to try and guess whose it teammates are to try and get them into the hood to take it over would be amazingly fun design.

Again, I don’t think that is a mason crumb and you’re completely still assuming it is, still assuming the wrong things I corrected you on before. Like...Just no.

Poll time RC+Vecna is that a thing or am I moon logicking?

[MathBlade]

I am assuming that Ankamius is a member of the MB hood rather than a mason

Now assume Ank is in my hood.

Why would she ask if her personal PT would trigger it?

She would know my hood would

Like RC is NOT this bad.

[MathBlade]

Since im not too familiar with Hebichan - how large do you think the possibility that a scum Hebi could ever be convinced by her teammates to inno on HWS?

Like, the scenario works quite well both ways. Town Hebi makes a decent ammount of sense to be scanning HWS to gain more intel on the third option of yesterday.

Scum Hebi would also be the prime candidate to fake an inno on an important teammate (power-wise) to save it, given hear near unanimously townread status. Im guessing 15 players left alive, of which 4 most likely being scum is quite a decent cut-off point where scum -could- get away with it.

Im not saying this at all because I think Hebi is scum, but in a world with a PT cop, and a mason softing Ankamius (who is feeling somewhat town'esque to me by now) some prodding there does feel slightly warranted.

My issue here is ank asked if a personal pt would proc my ability, why ask that if you had any sort of pt that would?

It's like trying to set up a fakeclaim retroactively.

Correct which means Vecna is spamming Ank mason to avoid hunting.

[MathBlade]

Been ~fairly sure math was scum for the last two days but I think there's only one scum in her hood so I wanted more info but I'm fine just lynching here.

And now you’re blatantly trying to piss me off.

RC+Vecna

Fucking called it.

[MathBlade]

If you were town you would be helping me to sort Vecna and see if it needed a reset as it keeps spamming Ank is a mason.

Masons have PTs.
Ank asked if her personal PT would show up
And therefore is not a mason.

You need rope. Vecna needs rope.

I am BoPing your ass.

[MathBlade]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

[MathBlade]

I am out of surgery and in recovery so not posting today or reading.

So I am alive.

[MathBlade]

And just if math was Titus I'd be 100% sure he's scum for tonal reasons and that tell usually applies well across siblings.

Me and Titus are completely different. Furthermore I am not saying “stupid shit”. So far these are valid points others are noting as well. Titus prefers to townblock which I prefer to hammer out a scum and watch the rest fall.

My role literally makes me do things I don’t generally do. I have to lead a townblock or we lose. I am also going through RL shit so you should know that changes tone. Again you’re doing shit I expect better of you.

[MathBlade]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

a mason would care about scum not thinking they were a mason though

Imho the best way to do that is not give a shit if someone checks you. They would be fine. I just don’t see the mason bit.

[MathBlade]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

a mason would care about scum not thinking they were a mason though

I'd be either trying to avoid investigations entirely or not give a shit regardless of alignment

seriously, investigating me is almost never a good idea regardless of my alignment

VOTE: Mathblade

Why?

Finally common sense. Ank and AA9 town.

[MathBlade]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

But a mason would give two shits about being an obvious target for a nightkill. A scum fakeclaiming it could also potentially forget they ought to have a mason pt and look for the private pt for an excuse.

Ive not been claiming that ankamius is a mason full stop. Ive been looking for the person lying, because there were too many softs that could townclear people. So stating that im not hunting is bullcrap.

The fact youre going in on this so hard almost makes it seem like you told Ankamius in the scum chat to ask about the PT thing so it would invalidate her VERY OBVIOUSLY softing a mason.

Like, you just hard-claimed she's not in your hood. So how the crap would you know what she is supposed to be softing then? Because everything in the soft points to her softing mason.

You cannot have it both ways. She's either in your hood, and she did something really weird by asking about the PT. she's not in your hood, and you have no way of knowing what the soft should mean, anymore than the rest of us, and she still did a very weird thing asking about the PT. Im happy you pointed towards it so obviously though because I totally missed it as well in evaluating these things.

She is not in the hood.

I just am good at recognizing references of PRs. I have a record of doing this as town and scum. You know this from playing with me a lot. However if someone needs I can cite sources. I do admit that was a crumb. I just didn’t want A50 or others to make a mistake based on what I believe she is. It was a rock and a hard place and I took the path I thought would communicate to definition and make the town block and stop a wagon I couldn’t otherwise defend.

[MathBlade]

Anyways im getting carried away in this. Im not sure whether I agree with RC's reasons completely for going in on Math 100% as the lynch for today as this is scarily similair to town Mathblade and I honestly cannot tell the difference.

@Mathblade, you seem to constantly keep bringing up you told me that the soft was not for a mason, yet I cannot deduce how you can be certain. You are very certain though, but for us not in the know-how this could either be due to a scum plan or because some other mechanical reason.

You thinking everyone can read between the "mathlines" is a very faulty assumption. Just because you say stuff, historically speaking they aren't always accurate.

No one is always accurate.

I do not wish to highlight what I am thinking as that would give info to scum. If Ank says she is okay I will out my theory but I think it is really anti town to do so.

[MathBlade]

Yeah my lynchpool for the day is exclusively Mathblade & Aronis. Both beautiful information lynches in my mind, but I think I have a -slight- preference for Aronis.

Aronis flipping scum pretty much means town outright wins. It townclears to some extent Math, Ank, Vecna. If it flips town things will get ugly, but at least its a clear signal what needs to be lynched the day after regardless.

Willing to open discussions on my scenario's. I know im gonna get a lot of shit, but at the same time.....it feels like a lot of people are floating in the same area, allthough some distorted because they still have silly suspicions around my slot.

Vecna you are better than this.

Even if Aronis is scum which I disagree with then no game is ever won til it is over.

[MathBlade]

Im currently at roughly 50/50 on my two scenario's.

Since youre obviously not gonna scumread yourself, do you at least recognize some of what im seeing? Like can you see a town-Math scenario where he's being setup in the way im describing? Am I crazy for thinking Aronis could very well have been trying to buddy me and to get me to push on Math/Ank?

Maybe it’s the drugs but I don’t see a setup or anything to respond to? Like Me + Ank = hell no.

[MathBlade]

Do I think it's literally impossible that math is town? Yeah sure I am not perfect I don't have a computer to tell me who to lynch

But to date I have never misread Mathblade on tone/phrasing/how he conducts herself and I am fairly sure that he is scum here. And if your rationale is that 1/2 of us are scum, I'm town.

Key there's a difference between being willing to talk to me and actively seeking out engagement with me particularly in a game where I was checked out and for whatever reason it got to the point where you wanted to replace out.

...RC wow...

Just wow. Why are you limiting yourself to what others say? Where is your “no holds barred” attitude?

[MathBlade]

I strongly doubt youre gonna die before a Hebichan thats gonna inno me tonight

Probably because youre better at influencing people to do stupid shit that costs them the game, while the way Mathblade does it is by just hiding under a pretense of his usual towngame.

In the one instance people feel dickhurt, in the other they just go "oh oops"

Nah. You really need to read my scum games again.
Gistou I made the other scumteam perform better actions
Shadowrun I made a code to get FA to heal wrong people and coached a newbie.
Look at Mod is Mafia

As scum I influence. As town I am useless. I am working on the latter.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE:
this is probably between aronis and mathblade now and i think vecna is more likely to be town at this point anyways

so on the one hand i scumread aronis but i also do not think my reasons are very good
on the other hand i townread mathblade but i also know he can pocket me to an extreme extent

aronis lynch gets a good bit of associatives with other people but not a game-solving level
mathblade lynch gets a few associatives but i am pretty sure math is fairly good about not being associated with his team [the whole cult-lite thing also throws a wrench into associations from math]

aronis lynch proves whether the [almost certainly joke] claim about being a mason is true
mathblade lynch gets the mechanics of cult-lite flipped or reveals that it was a lie if that was the case

aronis if town is decently good but honestly a little distracting
mathblade if town has less then a 50/50 chance of having almost perfect reads and has bad reads the rest of the time

aronis if scum - i have not played with aronis scum before [or i forgot about it] so someone else tell me
mathblade if scum can usually pocket most of the town with a few exceptions and yeah radiant would probably be one of those exceptions [the cult-lite claim also prevents the claimed investigative from being able to inno/guilty him]

finally i do not know what the difference in aronis scum/town is since as far as i can recall i have only played with town aronis
and i also do not have the capability of knowing what differences in mathblades play are alignment indicative or not yet

This is all kinds of horrible. Too tired to explain why.

[MathBlade]

it's weird that theta gave up her scumread on vecna with no explanation for the purpose of pushing the lynch between mathblade and aronis, in spite of never mentioning these players as possible mafia in her iso.

in fact, she mentioned early on that she thought mathblade and aronis were town.

my reads are rather sparse right now but i am confident that aronis and creature are town

from what i can tell ankamius cheeky hebichan and mathblade are town

there is not a logical development of reads.

vote: theta

i'll keep reading of course, but pressure doesn't hurt.

*nods*

What do you make of the common events so far?

[MathBlade]

Project Matt can be town. That last post by theta was gross.

Then why the fuck are you naked voting me?

[MathBlade]

Pretty confident RC is town. He's also my fav <3 We should listen to him *nods*

Ewwww

[MathBlade]

surgery smurgery, can the hood still recruit/kill if you're dead?

Yes.

[MathBlade]

Even though Theta is a definite possibility for a scum flip, doing an information lynch for the day in between Math/Aronis seems like a stellar idea.

Theta is a perfect target for a certain hood to vig tonight. That way we also know if scum have protection-type roles and that gives us setup speccers some more info.

Theta flips town? Tomorrow a lot more finger pointing happens. Theta flips scum? We all know that slot is about as bussable as it gets.

No.

Absolutely not.

We Lynch for scum not information. This can die.

[MathBlade]

<<< NicoRobin replaces Yuurei effective immediately. >>>

OMG. this is worse!!

Project Matt can be town. That last post by theta was gross.

On what basis? I am finding your posts very fishy. You said Luna is 100% town after she flips and now you're saying project matt can be town and all these statements are missing the references. Care to explain?

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[MathBlade]

can we lynch cheeky now then?

Cheeky is in my lynch pool. If a wagon forms I would switch.

Kinda don’t want to not lynch obvScum Theta though.

If I had two votes I would give you the other.

[MathBlade]

Everyone in this game realizes that theta flipping scum does not make Mathblade (or anyone else on the wagon for that matter) town?

I do not understand how anyone townreads you.

[MathBlade]

@Nos what do you ale of RC and NSG/PJM?

[MathBlade]

@Nos what do you make of RC and NSG/PJM?

[MathBlade]

I'm back

Hi. Can I bribe you a cookie to post?

Theta and RC are scum probably with Cheeky.

[MathBlade]

Vecna I am still trying to figure out if he is just thickskullrd this game or scum. Wanna help me?

[MathBlade]

Sure, idk how to read Theta anyway

So what do you make of Vecna being this bad? Do you agree with my thoughts? RC? Cheeky?

[MathBlade]

He calls me out for supposedly outing a mason
Realizes it isn’t a mason crumb
Then somehow I am still scum for trying to work with A50
And then A50 dies.

He keeps inventing new scenarios to call me scum and the scenarios all have wrong facts.
I counter them he brings up something else.

It’s exhausting.

[MathBlade]

What do you think about KeyChain?

Town

Going to relax again.

I have a bad vibe about PJM don’t know how to explain it

[MathBlade]

He calls me out for supposedly outing a mason
Realizes it isn’t a mason crumb
Then somehow I am still scum for trying to work with A50
And then A50 dies.

He keeps inventing new scenarios to call me scum and the scenarios all have wrong facts.
I counter them he brings up something else.

It’s exhausting.

Ive never called you scum for trying to work with a50. I called you potential scum for the way you kept carelessly putting attention to the softs, while there never was any direct threat to definition. It could also definitely come from a happy-happy townmath wanting a cookie for being such a good softsniffer, I guess.....but im still not fully convinced either way. If that makes me bad, tough luck. You know full well how I read people, and you've admitted repeatedly you play different this game. So it really shouldnt come at all as a surprise to you that im paying attention to that.

Either way, id like you to respond to my many statements regarding Aronis. Because for some reason youre still townreading that, even though it was very happily trying to motivate me to push on you and Ankamius, and defending and buddying me very hard when I was under pressure.

Like, how come youre so suspicious of me, but not of Aronis, who has the very same reads expressed mind you (thinking theres 2+ scum in Math/Ankamius/Creature), without any new thoughts in that regard recently?

My townread Almost50 was directly threatening Definition. I didn’t have any other explanation I could give but truth.

Regarding Aronis I reread your posts but it all blurs together. Aronis is town. This is pure him paranoia. I think he is still scared of Mod is Mafia. I think that will fade.

Furthermore I am more suspicious of you because you do not follow facts this game. I would understand if you suspected me with valid reasons but you keep spinning it into something new to keep your scumread.

[MathBlade]

Hello friend.

Hi friend.

I have ice cream in my fridge should I eat it?

Serious question: Are you caught up?

[MathBlade]

i could call the entire scumteam here and it doesn't matter if no one is listening to me.

math is scum, that's good enough for me.

When you call obvTown scum it makes you likely scum.

Who would listen to that?

It’s fucking obvious I am town.

[MathBlade]

No.

K

Please excuse surgery addled summary.

This is a hood bonanza

Some RVS happened
Luna three headed hydra lurked like fuck
When l-1 claimed human neighborizer
I cc’d Them due to my weird role thinking they were claiming masonizer but were instead claiming just regular neighborizer with a race of human and my claim has X people can back up
My hood recruited a player last night

My hood can recruit or kill
There was a shot last night
And someone torn apart by wolves

Makes me think flavor of stuff is important.

@Nico

Gonna go
Take another nap now

If I messed something up someone please fix if

[MathBlade]

Oh I forgot hebichan claimed PT cop with an innocent on HeWhoSwims

Sorrh

[MathBlade]

has nico ever posted for real in a game before?

Yes in SU2

Also in a recently completed Coney Island game.

Sick as fuck atm will grab it later.

[MathBlade]

Because they don't necessarily show up as often as they do with Titus

Even with Titus I need to prod her to get what in looking for sometimes

And I did at some point mention that I was scumreading him D1

Because RC is scum and he doesn’t want me to have my head on straight in a hood.

[MathBlade]

Flavor?

Flavor will be placed here if mastina has the capacity to give it. No promises!

Votecount 2-9 (49) Simple

Theta Alpine - 5 (NicoRobin, MathBlade, projectmatt, hebichan, Nosferatu)

MathBlade - 2 (RadiantCowbells, CheekyTeeky)

Aronis - 2 (Vecna, Keychain)
NicoRobin - 1 (Aronis)
Keychain - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 4 (HeWhoSwims, Creature, Ankamius, Theta Alpine)

Mod Notes

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• MathBlade is V/LA until Wednesday, June 20th.
  
• Keychain is V/LA until Saturday, June 23rd.
  
• Aronis has been prodded. He has this long to post: (expired on 2018-06-21 21:19:06).
  
• mastina will generate a more advanced votecount if she has the capacity to give it. No promises!

....

This game is moving slower than what I would have expected. How can I keep up with a large theme after surgery?

Seriously where is everyone?

[MathBlade]

Because they don't necessarily show up as often as they do with Titus

Even with Titus I need to prod her to get what in looking for sometimes

And I did at some point mention that I was scumreading him D1

Because RC is scum and he doesn’t want me to have my head on straight in a hood.

that's gonna be a nah from me fam

Why?

Because RC vecna Theta is looking really likely. Maybe with a side of cheeky.

[MathBlade]

After further consideration: theta flips town, scum are not bussing this game. If theta was scum more scum would be voting there.

Yay more wine :/

We had an inactive as fuck day one
An inactive as fuck today

And if this pattern continues more inactivity.

What makes you say that scum aren’t all just lurkers enjoying us tearing our heads off?

[MathBlade]

Mastina can we have a prod check for like everyone that hasn’t posted in 24 hours?

[MathBlade]

1) I am a He.
2) Our hood neighborizes and vigs. When I CC’d I believed Luna was full of shit looking for me and the other people in it.
3) The main thing is we cannot let this hood fall into scum hands so saying I am “just a neighbor” is wrong.
You can either say the hood is a masonry which then makes me expendable
OR you can say the hood could have scum in it which means obvTown has to stay in there in order to stop scum influence

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

And yes masons with a vig would be wild. Which is why I thought Luna’s claim was fake.

[MathBlade]

I tracked Mathblade to the kill yesterday

Officially a 1v1 now so stop shit voting elsewhere

This is SO not a thing. Like ever. Scum just want control of the hood so they are trying to push me out.

RC is 100% lying about tracking me to the kill. I've crumbed multiple times that I don't have any powers outside of the hood ones. Just go look for IceCream meaning vanilla. I am sick and goddamn tired of RC's ego every time I fucking play with him.


I also know I wasn't redirected because of the last line in the hood before it was locked for the day that said we recruited {{Player added to the hood.}}

This means 1 of 2 things is happening

1) RC is scum lying his ass off again. He already lied once and said he had a guilty on Luna who flipped town. Are you REALLY gonna let him do that AGAIN?
2) RC is town and had something manipulate the check.


Furthermore, I DO NOT act as a single unit. It's a HOOD based action. He CAN'T have tracked me alone. He'd know who all the hood buddies are and would have seen me target someone alive.


VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Fool me once shame on you.

Fake claim twice you fucking die.

[MathBlade]

ok, so I cooled my head a bit and here is where I'm at now:

I. Vecna was the first one to share the information that there potentially may exist werewolves aligned with town. Something that doesn't have much scum motivation to it since we were assuming that werewolf = scum, and human = town. If there's werewolves aligned with town there may very well be humans aligned with scum and exposing that isn't doing any favors to the bad guys. It's actually the opposite.

......Like are you listening to yourself right now? I have a fucking idea why it’s pro scum. Think varsoon games or twilight or almost any goddamn series with superheroes. There is always THAT guy. That is why it’s pro scum.

II. Hebichan recently did claim a innocent on hewhoswims since he apparently aren't in any PT (and scum very probably has a PT), so Hebichan and Hewhoswims seems like town

III. Aronis and Nosferatus have their claim and I'm going to look at that later depending of how things develop, for now they can get out of my lynch pool but I'm upset with Aronis anyway

Aronis should have never been in it and the mason thing is a joke. Aronis does this. Along with be a Facebook meme asking what your favorite X is at the start of the game

IV. Creature has some posts being too jerky and condensing to be scum!Creature in my opinion (for example 654 677, 682), if I'm wrong here call me out because I'm no specialist in Creature.

Creature is town. And if he isn’t (which doesn’t match this at all) his scum play is so fucking horrible he will be caught by everyone here.

My issue is with Ankamius and Mathblade.

> Ankamius after hebichan claimed to be a PT investigative asked if her requested PT would count in hebichan investigation, I would like to town read it but maybe she's trying to get a excuse to use in case of hebichan getting a guilty on her. However, the thing is, why didn't she waited until hebichan investigated her if that was the case? I want to town lean but I'm indecise here

Leave Ank alone. She is town

> Same thing can be said about Math. He instantly counterclaimed Luna even when his role is apparently a bit different. That kinda implies that he truly thought Luna was scum fake claiming because if he was scum, he would know she wasn't lying and when she flipped a neighborizer, things would get ugly to him. Of course there is the probability of him not thinking it through and just claiming for a quick lynch, but again, I'm indecise but I want to town lean here

I need a facepalm GiF and a ton of ice cream from my kitchen

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Now, the funny thing is that I'm losing confidence in all of my d1 reads. I'm obviously not one that can blame her since I did it myself, but NSG is lurking. NSG lurking isn't necessarily alignment indicative, maybe she's simply disinterested in the game. However, it's not a good sign.

About RC I'm more leaning towards null. His frustration in day 1 seemed genuine because I saw a game that he was in such a situation, so I uninterested in a lynch here right now even though I'm null on him.

Keychain is...well...normal...? I mean, I don't see anything scummy in her posts (I'll re:read), however I don't see anything that can't be faked as well. Even if she seems to put effort in scum hunting.

The rest of the player list I don't have much to say, they have good points but have bad points so compared to my other reads, I'm putting they in my lynch pool.

That's all I guess.

There is a sample for you. RC is just pissed that I'm actually being a town leader FOR ONCE. That I'm actually improving.

[MathBlade]

I declare that I will declare in the future my intention to declare and declaration of intent to intend to vote on declaring placing my vote on the person I am going to declare later on in this thread.

This post makes no sense. If you could just vote like a sane person, that'd be great

I just kinda ignored it when it still didn’t make sense when I woke up. :/

Aronis what’s your favorite food? (Pulling a page out of the Aronis playbook)

Tortilla chips. How about you?

Don’t really have one but it would be ice cream.

What do you make of TGP?

Look ANOTHER reference.

Seriously RC. Your play is completely abysmal this game. You can't convince people I'm scum because I'm not. Everyone here knows it so you try it again.

It's the same goddamn pattern with Luna Nova. I will do everything I can to stop you from doing this again.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

viewtopic.php?p=8923539#p8923539

@hebichan Yes it is.

RC gets onto me for faking a guilty in my prior game (which I didn’t btw I still don’t agree with his assessment)

And here he fakes a guilty on Luna and now he fakes it here.

I to be quite frank do not have the energy to rapid post this out and to rally people to do the right thing but RC is the boy who cried wolf and wants me gone.

[MathBlade]

so now you suddenly believe me aronis is the scum in your neighbourhood?

like I know RC is 100% fakeclaiming again given how he was talking about the mathblade slot earlier in the day, but this response is pretty pretty bad.

"pissed at you actually being a tow leader"? lmao

I am saying it is a theory that came up in my head.

I can’t pretend to understand RC.

I just know I have an outing with friends and I have to not be angry for my pain meds to work.

So I am answering these questions then checking out of the thread.

If I am mislynched so fucking be it. Then lynch RC next

[MathBlade]

And it’s kinda sad too.

I was actually looking forward to working with one of the people in the hood more in depth. Maybe fix a few things.

Damn you RC.

[MathBlade]

it's been a rough week so i haven't been able to post, but excuses are dumb. i will catch up and post on monday.

2) RC is town and had something manipulate the check.

is this an actual possibility? like, does this happen?

It does if scum have a redirector and took RC and placed him on the killer.

However that would require scum acting suboptimally.

[MathBlade]

Some things that bother me;
-The guilty is obviously fake, but for some reason noone but Math has pointed out it should have two results. Like, are the people in his hood suddenly convinced he's scum? Or why havent they pointed out a track should also lead to person X?
-If were wrong on Math and there is another scum in that hood, they can take it over tonight and have two NKs going forward. Wont work if the person recruited is town ofcourse. Is already guaranteed if a scum got recruited into it.
-Why is Mathblade not fighting for his survival if his death is likely to mean a double NK scenario? Wtf is going on

I wasn’t fighting because as I said I just got off of surgery and I have limited energy. I also in order to not be lynched have to play this like scum because my town play only incentivizes people to mislynch my butt.

I am literally relying on people in my hood to quit being lurksacs and help.

[MathBlade]

i reserve the right to be as toxic as the MS ruleset allows me to be if this game continues for another 24 hours.

this is disgusting.

You need death.

The next night phase is longer than 24 hours.

You are really making me want to replace our but I joined this game as a favor to Mastina so it would run. The last thing I wanna do is replace out. I would rather we lynch your scumbutt.

[MathBlade]

he's RC, how the fuck is he gonna convince people he's telling the truth?

By using words and such.

I am clearly town as demonstrated throughout.

RC is just s boy who cries wolf while being a werewolf and points out me as a wolf when I am just a boy.

[MathBlade]

the guilty's real: I couldn't get as much information on other slots if I was open about it so I approached it how I did.
that said you're still talking about someone with a record of successfully claiming guilties on scum, so 'oh the guilty is fake' when I'm taking it this seriously shouldn't even be in question.

Why are you posting my self portrait?

[MathBlade]

Back to serious matters, what are your scumreads?

[MathBlade]

Oh yay...Now you’re lying yet again.

Oh wait I am a daycop thst says Luna is scum.
Oh wait I tracked Math to the kill.
Oh wait no I am actually a detective that has a guilty on Math killing someone
Oh wait I am just scum.

^RC’s posting TLDR didn’t read

[MathBlade]

At that point in time I believed TGP was scum.

Can you like not go through almost 100 pages and quote everything?

I am hungry to lynch RC scum and I hope you are hungry for a scum flip.

[MathBlade]

Ok I don't think that anyone is arguing that math's neighborhood killed someone.

Because we haven’t.

[MathBlade]

I tracked Mathblade to the kill yesterday

Officially a 1v1 now so stop shit voting elsewhere

This is SO not a thing. Like ever. Scum just want control of the hood so they are trying to push me out.

RC is 100% lying about tracking me to the kill. I've crumbed multiple times that I don't have any powers outside of the hood ones. Just go look for IceCream meaning vanilla. I am sick and goddamn tired of RC's ego every time I fucking play with him.


I also know I wasn't redirected because of the last line in the hood before it was locked for the day that said we recruited {{Player added to the hood.}}

This means 1 of 2 things is happening

1) RC is scum lying his ass off again. He already lied once and said he had a guilty on Luna who flipped town. Are you REALLY gonna let him do that AGAIN?
2) RC is town and had something manipulate the check.


Furthermore, I DO NOT act as a single unit. It's a HOOD based action. He CAN'T have tracked me alone. He'd know who all the hood buddies are and would have seen me target someone alive.


VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Fool me once shame on you.

Fake claim twice you fucking die.

Again...This is why RC is scum.

I said it once I will say it again.

We recruited.

This means if RC tracked me he would see me visit the player that was recruited.
(See post from Mastina for clarification)
I invite everyone in my hood to ask the same question.

If Math had a killing action separate from the hood and used it last night and we recruited (insert player recruited here) how would that show up to a tracker?

You’d get two fucking names.

Then RC claims no wait I am a detective.

Just stawp. It’s exhausting.

[MathBlade]

I am clearly not scum but anyone in that hood can ask that question and see that for themselves. RC is a wolf.

[MathBlade]

k time to use this

Daycop: Luna Nova

pinging mastina on skype

luna nova are aligned with the wolves.

Really...cmon dude. You can’t keep saying town is bad then lying to us directly and expect people to mislynch me.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

For emphasis

[MathBlade]

Top wagon is on the right place

"town is bad"

Come on over to Radiant Cowbells Creature.

I have dragon treats

[MathBlade]

information overview:
-Hood recruits, requires everyone in it to visit (gives more credibility to a tracker existing due to shenanigans).
-RC claims a singular visit on Mathblade.
-Mathblade claims their target was succesfully recruited. -The way I read it, mastina stated in their hood that -their intended target- was succesfully recruited and added to the hood (Needs confirmation).

Is any of this incorrect?

First and last yes.

Second is what it seems to be and RC hasn’t argued otherwise.

we should take a bit of time here btw because im pretty sure theres very little chance of ending this day without fullclaiming this hood.

more later

No.

We are not giving scum who they need to mislynch/kill to obtain two KPN.

f radiant flips town tracker/equivalent role then math is probably town [and we learn that a role that can tamper with results/actions exists]

no.

assuming I get lynched, and I will flip tracker, you are lynching mathblade tomorrow.

Oh yay /sarcasm

Back to tracker instead of detective. The already flawed claim.

[MathBlade]

Okay can someone tell me if this game is worth reading or if it's just this same ego fest the whole time
Because I don't want to read 100 pages just to read people try to bolster their own egos

My posts are reading but RC’s are terrible.

He just keeps faking guilties on people he wants to mislynch and people let him.

[MathBlade]

Okay can someone tell me if this game is worth reading or if it's just this same ego fest the whole time
Because I don't want to read 100 pages just to read people try to bolster their own egos

If you can find a way to hide all RC's and Math's posts, it'll be worth reading.

Alisae if you're reading this pls PM me that thing you used to foe me in mafia games
This is nothing against either of you RC + Math, but I want to actually play mafia

Oh I do too.

However that’s not really possible with scum screaming a fake guilty every three seconds.
So RC has to either admit that he faked it or he’s gonna scream
“Look at me and my ‘guilty’” every three seconds which I have to respond to which continues the cycle.

[MathBlade]

[in addendum to my previous post]
either that or the hood tried to recruit almost50

We didn’t try to recruit Almost50.

@Nos they are
Tracker says who you visit
Detective says whether you have killed or not.

[MathBlade]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Detective

[MathBlade]

Theta math aronis Ankamius Aa9 and Nosferatu

Just read RC’s ISO

RC practically spams I am scum

[MathBlade]

@Nos they are
Tracker says who you visit
Detective says whether you have killed or not.

he claimed that the functionality was the same

This is a Mastina game.

Go find me a game where she deviates from the wiki.

I don’t give a shit about what RC says. I know he is lying.

If you can’t find a game where Mastina deviates then you can clearly see RC is full of shit.

[MathBlade]

Okay can someone tell me if this game is worth reading or if it's just this same ego fest the whole time
Because I don't want to read 100 pages just to read people try to bolster their own egos

This game was fine till RC decided to fakeclaim on mathblade.

Since then its been rather dull.

+1

[MathBlade]

This role while unique everything in it still upholds to the wiki standards.

RC is just full of shit.

He either A) believes I am scum so he fake claimed
Or B) is scum and wants control of the hood and knows that if I am it it I never give control to scum. So I have to die.

[MathBlade]

Jailkeep + neighborizer follows the wiki each role acts as expected

[MathBlade]

I deserve better than whoever is town here for teammates. I really wish there was enough of a mafia community to have some sort of matchmaking so I wouldn't have to play with the people in this game.

As is my free time is better spent elsewhere.

I'd replace out but I don't think y'all deserve it and I'd post my role PM but I don't think mastina deserves that

But I'm not treating anyone in this game or the game itself with respect that it doesn't deserve

you should get over yourself.

i intend to vote mathblade today because i feel like their counter argument's to RC keep getting less logical and more desperate, and they've started embellishing RC's actions (ie: "RC keeps faking guilties on people") to try to get him lynched.

that said, RC

needs

to be instalynched if mathblade happens to flip town.

if math is town here, i find it strange that his members of the hood have not come to save or otherwise provide back-up for what he's saying. the lack of activity from math's hood makes the majority of math's counter-arguments fall flat here.

I could make the same argument for aronis and stringing you up tomorrow.

However, I choose not to be so full of myself in that my judgement is absolute. Some people learn from their mistakes.

At any rate, time for you to learn some humility. Good luck in getting this lynch done without my assistance.

i like this post.

Trust me when I say I am rather annoyed and if I ever get close to lynching distance I will be forced to claim the members of my hood and where I crumbed them, something I am loathed to do but if I get close that means scum have won the influence game and not outing the hood becomes the lesser of two evils.

[MathBlade]

to be clear, if RC is fakeclaiming here then it's fucking disgusting and egotistical.

plus fucking one dude

[MathBlade]

Was it you that decided which person that got invited into the hood Mathblade? Or was there someone else in the hood with a strong opinion on whom to invite?

I suggested.
One person talked giving like no town reads and wanting to vig rather incessantly.
The other was so quiet person we both almost thought it was a scum claim.
Eventually they talked and we ended up going with who I suggested.

[MathBlade]

Keep in mind, the silence from the hood mates is actually confirming everything I am saying.

If I ever lie then it would be treated as a scum claim.

The silence means that they are just inactive in general or want me to die.

[MathBlade]

@mod: V/LA til Thursday

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

1. RC says who the hood recruited. My hood buddies know who this is. If RC can’t say we Lynch RC.

2. The end. Because he can’t.. Because outing the hood is really anti town.

<<Goes back to VLA things.

[MathBlade]

It very well might be legit AA9.

Do you have reason to think otherwise? Why lynch a claimed tracker over his guilty?

Again for the hundredth time

If RC was a real tracker he would have tracked me to the recruit and can tell everyone who we recruited.

The fact he hasn’t is obvious.

The fact the hood also isn’t speedlynching me means I am telling the truth.

RC did not track me. Pure and simple.

[MathBlade]

Keep in mind, the silence from the hood mates is actually confirming everything I am saying.

If I ever lie then it would be treated as a scum claim.

The silence means that they are just inactive in general or want me to die.

And yet you never give any indication that you want your hood mates to out?

I actually don’t want the hood to out everyone.

That gives too much power to scum.

However if I was lying a town member of the hood would say

“Math is lying. I am in the hood this is reality.”

I would be instantly voted.

Ergo by no one doing that it is proven that I am telling the truth.

Proof by silence.

[MathBlade]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

I understand this is in reference to an ongoing game, but the second that game end I'm going to raise a major objection.

+1

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

1. RC says who the hood recruited. My hood buddies know who this is. If RC can’t say we Lynch RC.

2. The end. Because he can’t.. Because outing the hood is really anti town.

<<Goes back to VLA things.

And yet you said yourself earlier that your hoodmates not outing proves they're inactive/want you to die? Or is that referring to your potential scumteam?

A hood mate could easily confirm everything I have said thus far is true.

However they are not.

One hood mate is all it takes to confirm RC is scum.
Similarly if I was scum (hint I am not) all it takes is one hood mate to go

“Math lies in post xyz. <<Insert Math vote here>>” rest of hood follows.

I would rather not out the entire hood. I am pretty sure it’s all town or damn near close.

[MathBlade]

Math do you think RC could be town

Only if scum fucked with his PR or he is fake claiming.

I understand those are logical possibilities.

However I deal in most likely.

It is most likely RC is lying since he can’t say who we recruited.

It’s most likely RC fake claimed twice and thus more likely he is scum.

[MathBlade]

If he is fake claiming town then we sent the message of you can’t single handedly destroy two days of game and not be lynched.

He did it with Luna and he in that case would be doing it with me.

If he is manipulated town to someone else then we would never get a useful result again as scum would continue to fuck with RC however it was done the first time. Thus invalidating his don’t lynch a claimed PR.

Ergo fucking lynch RC.

Perot no I don’t. If I did I wouldn’t have said it.

[MathBlade]

Mastina was directly asked about it, there's no direct proof that RC even can track the hood actions.

That is why I asked Mastina what a tracker result on me would be. If the hood wasn’t night only I would freaking ask right now in it for the hood to see.

Instead I could copy paste the question here and have everyone in the hood fucking ask it and this delay the game again. Anyone in the hood could easily ask Mastina

“Hey assume I am scum incorrectly and did the night kill on someone not recruited. Assume a recruit on XYZ is successful. Assume a tracker tracked me and no one fucked with my actions or the tracker. What results would the tracker get?” << That is a paraphrase.

She would say that the person asking visited the nightkilled player and the recruit.

Point fucking blank recruits are tracked.

[MathBlade]

Get on me*

[MathBlade]

Me lying about that is tantamount to suicide when X+1 other people can check me.

So anything else I “missed” Ank?

[MathBlade]

Or when x can literally be zero.

We have no proof whatsoever that this hood actually exists

Like GE and Ankamius are the likely candidates to be in there, but theres so much weirdness surrounding their slots that goes counter to that logic that.....yeah.

Still surprised this hasnt come from mr Tracker RC's mouth though.

Math also keeps dancing around my argument though. If theres no scum in the hood, scum cannot take it over. If there IS scum in the hood, he's only keeping town in the dark, severely limiting our game solving options.

You know what?

Fuck you guys.

I try to protect a masonry I believe exists and y’all fucking do this shit.

I will give you ONE name to prove the hood exists.

Aronis/Gamma.

I am NOT giving the others in case this is a masonry so it lasts as long as possible. We want scum to find us. By telling them everything if they aren’t in it they just neutralize it. For saying I don’t see your point when I have countered it a fuck ton is bullshit:

I am also NOT giving who we recruited.so RC is proven scum.

[MathBlade]

Or when x can literally be zero.

We have no proof whatsoever that this hood actually exists

Like GE and Ankamius are the likely candidates to be in there, but theres so much weirdness surrounding their slots that goes counter to that logic that.....yeah.

Still surprised this hasnt come from mr Tracker RC's mouth though.

Math also keeps dancing around my argument though. If theres no scum in the hood, scum cannot take it over. If there IS scum in the hood, he's only keeping town in the dark, severely limiting our game solving options.

You know what?

Fuck you guys.

I try to protect a masonry I believe exists and y’all fucking do this shit.

I will give you ONE name to prove the hood exists.

Aronis/Gamma.

I am NOT giving the others in case this is a masonry so it lasts as long as possible. We want scum to find us. By telling them everything if they aren’t in it they just neutralize it. For saying I don’t see your point when I have countered it a fuck ton is bullshit:

I am also NOT giving who we recruited. so RC is proven scum.

I can verify this. I actually checked his ISO for name-drops to determine whether he'd revealed the whole hood, which was why I had some of the reactions I did. Why he chose me is curious though.

I crumbed. I didn’t explicitly drop.

Now I am enjoying the rest of my day in peace. The hood exists we recruited someone and me lying to you is suicide about it as Gamma would instantly vote me. Granted it is just stupid and antitown as fuck and I am a horrible liar so how about we stop this “Math is lying” shit because I am not.

RC says who the hood recruited or he is full of shit.

[MathBlade]

I chose to reveal you specifically because you’re online right now.

I did not pick Aronis and anyone else present in it at the start. It was just a hood I am in.

[MathBlade]

Here's what you need to know Muffin.

HeWhoSwims and I are town

RC claimed a guilty on Mathblade via saying mathblade visited A50 last night

Mathblade claimed a neighborhood with democracy powers where they can either recruit or kill someone each night.

Mathblade is now claiming neighbors.

Everything is terrible.

I did not and have not revised my claim.

The “MathBlade is now claiming neighbors” is false.

The “MathBlade claimed a neighborhood “ is true. One such member is Aronis/Gamma.

I am not sure where you got a changing claim from. Or why the hell you’d scumread me and townread RC for making both days about him when he is patently and provably wrong.

It’s like that adage, when something is disproven people cling to their wrong beliefs.

I am hugely aware of this and am trying to get better but as confirmed town I really want to see better from you. Don’t be me and tunnel please :/

[MathBlade]

ok

skimmed through recent pages, here's what i'm guessing is happening:

RC probably

is

a tracker ("detective") but i don't think he actually targeted mathblade last night - he's probably just faking a guilty because he's arrogant enough to think he's right (and i think he's ready to be lynched now because he's actually going to flip what he claimed, ergo incriminating mathblade, even though i don't really believe he tracked mathblade)

but... mathblade might still be scum playing off this because he knows RC is bullshitting (i'm thinking mathblade really didn't submit the scum kill here so he knows that RC couldn't have tracked him to A50). and i think he sees this as a good opportunity to get rid of a thorn in his side while not having to tell any lies about what occurred (because, well, he knows RC is lying in this scenario)

it's possible mathblade is town i guess, but the stuff with the normalcy of role names (lol. also, really, i don't see why RC even brings up the "detective" thing if it isn't actually a his role name) and the fact he's not giving any serious consideration to what seems to me like the most obvious scenario here (RC lying but still town - he's mentioned this but hasn't really considered it IMO) makes me think it's more likely mathblade is scum than town

anywho, this was my initial impression from recent pages

might come back to it later when i'm not busy and give it a proper read through

Like ....I don’t understand this at all.

I am scum for telling the truth? For not misleading town? In other words because I am trying my best to improve and RC comes in with a “fuck you no you don’t?” I am scum?

This puzzles me.

[MathBlade]

To be quite fair I don’t really care what RC flips.

I know for a fact he has lied twice now. I don’t know whether he is a tracker don’t know whether or not he is actually anything important but I am just fed up. A majority of people are fed up with where this game is as evidenced by the replaceouts.

I can’t control whether RC continues to tunnel me or not. Due to his influential status on site, I have to respond.

However what I can control is the toxicity and attempt to get people to give a damn and the best way I know how is to remove the liar.

It’s most likely that he is scum. Since he is lying with every breath something typical IMHO of RC as both alignments I want him dead.i think the game will be far better off for it when everyone is held to being honest and we can communicate with each other.

[MathBlade]

Ok Gamma, I want you to go ask the moderator how your neighbourhood recruitment would work if one of the people was tracked, and post the response here please. At least that way if RC does flip tracker, we got ourselves two juicy fish.

RC, do you think this is at all possible to have been a bus driver? Swapping the scum doing the NK with Mathblade would rank very highly up there in choices for a scum bus driver id think. Assuming youre town here, and an actual tracker, why is this not crossing your mind? Since you yourself have stated you actually do believe this neighbourhood to be a thing (and im really getting the impression from GE it does indeed exist, duh).

Directly quoting a post out of a PT is against the rules but paraphrasing isn’t.

Would you like me to paraphrase my question and Mastina’s response? The one I typed was in a hurry I could do a simple word swap so Gamma could easily ask the same question I did.

[MathBlade]

@mathblade

who do you think is scum apart from RC and why?

My guess is projectmatt and someone active.

Hell I was on post surgery drugs and still wanted to avoid this game and couldn’t. My guess is Keychain is town for the replacing out.

Because I keep having to stop RC’s bullshit I really haven’t had a chance to form much in reads.

I really think Gamma and Aronis are town though based on the hood and here.

[MathBlade]

looking at how D2 started, i dont really think hebi is scum (or at least i dont see hebi as the type of player whod come out with a play like that as scum at the start of the day) - that's the kind of thing that will sort itself out anyway

My guess is projectmatt and someone active

why projectmatt and why someone 'active'?

My guess is Keychain is town for the replacing out

why wouldn't keychain replace out as scum?

I really think Gamma and Aronis are town though based on the hood and here

what specifically have they done that's town?

don't really believe that RC's push on you has been the reason you can't form reads (even if it did take up a decent chunk of your time)

I am going to address projectmatt tomorrow but mainly my idea is this:

Scum would be loving the gamestate right now, independent of RC’s alignment.

If RC is scum then they wanted to get a rise out of me and thought I would lose a debate with RC. I am horrible at defense (go look at prior town games to see).

If RC is fake claiming town then scum get a free TvT fight and can just egg us on.

Either way it is a scum’s dream. If scum would potentially have 2-3 KPN a night and two dead townies. Why would scum replace out from that? Doesn’t make sense to me.

[MathBlade]

That’s pretty much why scum is likely someone active.

Projectmatt is mainly a gut read but I am too sleepy to point out the reads.

Aronis/Gamma is a combination of what was said pregame and during the night phase and how it corresponds to what is said here.

Gonna crash now but I don’t give a shit if you believe me or not. Recovering from surgery painkillers and dealing with ego/idiot makes it incredibly hard to focus on getting reads.

[MathBlade]

V/LA for a few days

going through life circumstances that have taken away my ability to post intelligent thoughts or think coherently. i need to take a break for a couple of days as opposed to stressing myself out by being unable to post articulately.

cya soon.

I hope things get better for you dude.

[MathBlade]

Can someone just confirm if ankamius is also in the hood already so i can start townreading Math?

I gave one person to prove the hood exists.

Not doing the whole who is and isn’t in the hood. Even if it makes me look better.

[MathBlade]

Also, im sort of loving how semi-reasonable Mathblade is being. It might be warping my perceptions, but its sort of pleasant.

Edit: theres scum in your hood regardless mathblade. Let me at least form proper reads because this lynch is important.

I agree the lynch is important.

I am not seeing how knowing who is or is not in the hood helps you to determine reads. It makes you look like scum trying to find out who is in it versus obtaining reads.

Can you explain why you’re focusing on this?

[MathBlade]

Also, im sort of loving how semi-reasonable Mathblade is being. It might be warping my perceptions, but its sort of pleasant.

Edit: theres scum in your hood regardless mathblade. Let me at least form proper reads because this lynch is important.

Maybe I should be on painkillers more often (this is a joke)

[MathBlade]

Simply put; I dont wanna start pushing shit on possibly faulty assumptions

Your faulty assumption is assuming Ank is in the hood.

Townblade realizes what that is likely a reference to and I don’t believe it is masons. Saying what I feel is too anti town.

I am going to bed. And the fact you don’t realize what definition was softing makes it a good one.

Good night.

[MathBlade]

But hey, you understanding me would be like worlds colliding anyway. I would be more worried if you did.

[MathBlade]

Generally I don’t lie as scum. I find lying to be antitown and antiscum.

The closest I can think of is two games:
One is Shadowrun viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961 where things were going south pretty bad so I ended up early claiming Jailkeeper (left off the Alien part)

[MathBlade]

The other was a legitimately boned spot and town had caught all three of the scum day one and I still tried to play it out
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67527

When I didn’t die and my redirector went off and killed the vig who tried to kill me I was just making shit up. Didn’t expect it to work and it didn’t.

[MathBlade]

lightbulb, but disagreeing.

Still wondering why you had to make that first comment though putting more attention to it (which was way before the A50 thing).

Can you point me to some games where you were scum and were fabricating scumclaims? Or just using mod-provided fakeclaims? I saw that mastina game from a year ago already with the redirecter and busdriver but I want some better examples.

I didn’t actually bring more attention to it. I did a “I see what you did there”. In general giving a “hey you” you’re awesome isn’t very risky if done well. No one had noticed it til you said anything. By letting people know you’re on the same wavelength is remarkably protown

Take the Shadowrun game for example.

Frozen Angel replaced into a slot that crumbed doctor, through a doctor who reference. I ended up buddying the shit out of Frozen Angel in order to win in private.

I find being more open works better as town. I don’t generally like town blocks as people never reinvestigate the town block but I like the concept of working together. I am just well bad at it.

[MathBlade]

Math was semi reasonable in police academy 1, the only downside was that he had two obvtown in his scum list.

But I was also tunneling obvscum and my tunneling of Jingle being copped helped us win!

So yeah that was an okay game.

[MathBlade]

And a bus driver is even worse because then you just encourage a vig on whoever and bus it to whoever you want dead, guaranteed two scum kills every night on high value targets, one of which is immune to protectives

also, this instantly outs that theres scum in the hood

This outs that there’s scum in the hood OR RC is scum and full of shit. (I think the latter)

[MathBlade]

Just fucking Lynch mtah for the love of God

You never assume bus driver before you Lynch the guilty

This day phase needed to be over a week ago

Scum are content ruining the game to keep math alive. Just fucking call it a day and get rid of them

I'm willing to be vigged if it's an inno then you know for tomorrow. We're not leaving math alive today

Except when the guilty is mechanically proven false.

Your “guilty” isn’t a guilty. I didn’t kill anyone and the hood did recruit or Gamma would be up all in my face calling me a liar.

It says in the Mastina written first post we visit our target so the fact you can’t say who we recruited means that you’re lying or bus driven. Continuing to spam this shit when it’s proven wrong is very anti town and exhausting.

[MathBlade]

Another thing is that I think the claimed hood mechanic doesn't make sense with redirector type roles: what happens if you make one person go elsewhere? Two kills?

I can answer this: unless the whole hood is redirected it can't be. So lightning rod could do it technically. As I said earlier though, bus driver apparently can switch our target. iirc it targets the person visited which is why.

Exactly.

The only way to stop our actions is to hit our target not us.

I was really hoping to keep that quiet so scum would be confused but RC continues his antitown crap.

[MathBlade]

Another thing is that I think the claimed hood mechanic doesn't make sense with redirector type roles: what happens if you make one person go elsewhere? Two kills?

I can answer this: unless the whole hood is redirected it can't be. So lightning rod could do it technically. As I said earlier though, bus driver apparently can switch our target. iirc it targets the person visited which is why.

You asked mastina and this was the response?

It is in the first post of our hood.

I even also asked Mastina if I somehow became scum and did the NK how the track would look and she said I would have visited recruited player and the NK.

Like dude. I already said this.

[MathBlade]

I had 3/4 scum in night and day and I was alive in it for 24 hours

And I can find games where you were absymal in.

That doesn’t have relevance here when you are

PROVEN

wrong.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72704

There you go.

Game you were confident Drealmerz was scum. You were wrong.

[MathBlade]

I literally don’t give a fuck RC.
Your “guilty” is wrong.
You have no case.
I am town as fuck.
You’re just either scum outright lying or town faking two guilties on town.
Both guilties have been proven wrong.

To be frank if you are town this game is over because you refuse to listen to facts. It is 100% proven I did not kill Almost50.

[MathBlade]

Also math has been saying I'm scum the whole day now he's arguing that my reads are bad and not to listen to me

Oh I still do think you’re scum.

I just also am trying to progress the game which means playing devil’s advocate that you are terrible this game.

[MathBlade]

Okay let's say you didn't kill almost50

Let's say you redirected me to scum thinking I wouldn't target scum

But I did target scum

How is that result an inno on you? If I was redirected all that means is my result is NAI but you're still scum by play so

1) Assume I redirected you to scum.
This is categorically false. I am on record for Gistou in how to use redirectors is that you make the investigative point to themselves. I did not and would not ever do what you are suggesting.

2) No, you didn’t target scum as I am town or you’re just lying about tracking me in the first place.

If I am scum by play you should have been able to convince people. I am a horrible self defender. The fact you can’t makes you scum. As town you listen to facts.

Your result if it exists means someone killed A50.

We don’t even know if the scum kill is A50. It’s the most likely but not 100% guaranteed answer.

You need to yank yourself out of this tunnel if you’re town. Because if you don’t I could see this game policying you so we can play mafia.

[MathBlade]

Even if that is true (which I doubt it is)
It is your fault for continually insulting instead of teaching.

If you want MS to be better be that guy who teaches. Otherwise you’re part of the problem. Not the solution.

[MathBlade]

Talk with me about your projectmatt read please Gamma. Or literally anyone else.

[MathBlade]

i really want to just kneejerk say AA9 is scum for the hard mathblade townread and the cheeky push rn but honestly I feel like they wouldn't be this awful if they were scum

What the hell? Math is not even lynched, how do you know what his flip is going to be? and i read math as a town because of his high activity and i even agree to the fact later that i am not able to his alignment after the confusion with the claim. This is fishy!!!

After I flip you lynch Mathblade tomorrow.

VOTE: RC

Bye

Nah fuck that what am I doing

VOTE: mb

Too annoyed rn.

Actually, we are too!!!

VOTE: RC

Here's a good place for starters. If AA9 was scum, and RC and I both town then calling out RC's bullshit doesn't really make sense here with how AA9 does it. Asking how RC would know my flip (especially since I don't think AA9 is familiar with how RC is "arrogant to a fault" to put it mildly) is a very good question. AA9 as scum with both of us town doesn't highlight themselves like that. It seems newb "Ha! I caught scum!" vibey.

If AA9 is scum and RC is scum then again, why push your buddy like that. For reasons inexplicable to me, people aren't lynching RC and it seems odd that of all the people you pick to talk about, you pick a widely townread AA9. Can you explain why you scumread them? Because I don't see your reasons Theta.

[MathBlade]

p-edit again
radiant if you are a tracker could you please consider the fact that math is likely town because of your result
if you are not a tracker then just tell us and we can stop telling you why your result is mechanically nigh impossible if math was actually the person who did the night kill

Um if RC really is tracker and got a proper result then why is math town? Not saying he's scum but it seems questionable that you're making that conclusion.

I'm thinking scum with too much knowledge I'm town. You thinking that Gamma?