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I thought Lamees would've been posting more by now; Apologies for the inactivity, I'll take some more time before I get into the game.
It seems unlikely that scum!BEF knowingly pushed a slip he'd know no one else would agree on, and call attention to himself that way. BEF seems to have genuinely believed in that slip, which makes me think he's town.In post 259, davesaz wrote:Someone who is a human and thinks something is true but isn't 100% certain may say/write if/then logic as a natural linguistic effect of that uncertainty. This goes for whether the uncertainty is in the 1st or 2nd part of the statement.
Once you're in the pattern of if x/then y, modifying that pattern to another conditional to show certainty in x but conditional in y is possible, but to the writer unnecessary given they know what they are uncertain about.
I have never seen a legit slip of this type, and the people who call such so-called slips to attention have been scum at least half the time I've seen someone bring it up, possibly more.
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From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.In post 30, DrewVa wrote:VOTE: Emperors New Groove
And you didn't like it? Eww. I'mma snap you away if I had the chance.Gamma Emerald wrote: I just watched Infinity War. You’re on my shit list.
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Similar slip here; town methinks. Also, this is one of the slots whose ISO actually feels like they're trying to gamesolve, I appreciate that.In post 207, Nev and Max wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but our votes do have consequences. Just like the words and actions we make online have real world implications as well.
Votes in this thread will eventually lynch someone, trick is we never know when the day will end unless it goes to deadline or the 4 tell us when they are ending the day
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I'll throw in this slot into my town pool as well.In post 250, Ultimate Liars wrote:So it seems I misunderstood. So the 4 people vote privately when to end the day. I thought it was their public votes. What do you guys think of this idea. We always have a majority on the scummier of the 4. That way we guarantee one doesn't vote in private. Until we are ready to vote our actual lynch target?
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Having no votes in the main thread is a mechanic I think scum would be aware of.In post 422, Ramcius wrote:i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?
Scum *could* make a vote nonetheless, but read her posts after that - it's clear she didn't know that votes weren't counted on the main thread.
Of course, it's possible she could be faking it, but I think it's likelier she's town.
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It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.In post 426, DrewVa wrote:But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.
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It's a bit more nuanced than that.In post 430, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Your assumption that not reading the game post is towny is unfounded.
Not reading the game post isn't inherently towny, I agree.
Scum would have more likely been aware of some of the important mechanics, private votes being one.
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Sure, *you* may be oblivious as either alignment -- that doesn't mean it's false that scum would likelier be aware of such a mechanic.In post 440, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Yeah I still don't agree. I'm oblivious as either alignment. I would think it was towny reasoning if they didn't have a myriad of posts and therefore other points you could have sorted them as town for.
Feel free to disagree with me here, but I'm still sticking by it.
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Lol, I think Something_Smart did this as a joke, knowing that public votes aren't counted, to test for reactions.In post 405, DrewVa wrote:Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?
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I think that's a bit lazy since he mentioned his thoughts on RCE the *previous page*, I'm liking Nero in this exchange.In post 453, Cheeky Dancer wrote:If I wanted to evaluate your ISO I would have. I'm asking fir a live interaction. You should be flattered I'm willing to dance with you. Cha cha?
Given his agreement on BEF, too - I'll throw him into my townpool as well. :3
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Damn looks like my vote wasn't counted?In post 513, Alonzo wrote:Almost Chara (1) Alonzo
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That would be a weak push.In post 631, Elsa Jay wrote:I literally just called you out for trying to kill the town power roles with the way you were going. Would You rather I push you?
The argument was never "Ohh scum would know about mechanics, therefore let's kill the people who do", the whole thing was a basis for finding town.
If X = Being scum, Y = Being aware of the mechanics, then with a greater than random probability,
X⇒Y. (This is my premise)
This is equivalent to the logical contrapositive ~Y⇒~X, which means we can say it's likely they're not scum, and therefore throw a weak early townread there. It doesn't matter if PRs or playstyle-based players are aware of the mechanics in the context of my usage.
Also, Lamees is going to hate me for this. Heh.
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I don't think so, Lam disagrees with me about Ultimate Liars.In post 641, DrewVa wrote:That is definitely extreme for a hydra to be that divergent on a read. I know I am far more likely to see this kind of weirdness in scum teammates than from hydras.
I'm taking them out of my town pool, I'll let her explain why she thinks they might be scum.
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Fos: Elsa JayIn post 631, Elsa Jay wrote:Focusing on me just hurts you more. You dont have to townread me yet, and even if you personally check me, you won't believe me. I'm just a natural of being suspicious.
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It's likelier that we make it to LyLo and there's a mislynch... meaning we get Endgamed :$ :$In post 618, mcqueen wrote:It'd be hilarious if Thanos got lynched/killed on the same day Endgame comes out-
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Have you looked at any of my previous games?In post 607, RCEnigma wrote:That bef was town regardless of thanos alignment. In general an in depth read like that seems tmi given the context. Up to that point it was a pissing match between slots giving vague reads and slots angry at people giving vague reads while not doing anything differently.
It's a good opportunity to seem townie, was my first impression.
Would you have preferred I give "vague" reads to blend in?
This is my first large, and my other head's as well *shrug* trying to find a suitable style to adopt here. I thought I had a reasonable basis for starting to town people.
There were other slots being serious and playing the game at that point too; what do you make of them? (Davesaz, Nev&Max)
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What's L-1?In post 650, Nero Cain wrote:Can we all lynch Thanos for bringing math into mafia?
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Why would your partner need to tell you something like that? Locked out lf your own confessional?In post 679, DrewVa wrote:
It’s fake. DVa told me she never voted them.In post 659, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Then why do they allegedly have the most votes? I don't see the davesaz townread but I seem to always scumread them.
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Lol! I'm liking Alonzo's ISO, I heavily disagree with the "let's end the day on page 30" idea but his sticking to it makes me want to toss him into my town pool as well.In post 794, Alonzo wrote:Ugh... Nancy's reads make me want to end more than just the day....-
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This is Lam joking around, she'd never townlean me especially this early normally
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Whose mans is this?In post 805, Formerfish wrote:
Jesus Christ, we get it, just let it go man. Let it go.In post 774, BrightEyedFish wrote:
To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:
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ThanksIn post 844, Elsa Jay wrote:
It's Nev, Thanos. He posted this after the slip.In post 806, Nev and Max wrote:
That's what I get for trying to be funny....In post 805, Formerfish wrote:
Jesus Christ, we get it, just let it go man. Let it go.In post 774, BrightEyedFish wrote:
To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:
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Lamees did post a couple of times; she thinks D1 is too NAI noisy and chaotic to really contribute much, and with the absence of public votes I'm kinda in agreement.
That said, what's the utility of having people make their FoSes or votes known in public, which someone unofficially keeps track of?
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"broken record act"? Could you explain that a little more?In post 1228, Ramcius wrote:i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old
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Why is this "chiseled Greek God" crap relevant to the game? O.oIn post 1233, DrewVa wrote:So we need this extremely important matter cleared up. Which of you or FF is Alonzo’s “chiseled Greek God”?
Does the answer help inform your reads?
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I don't think Lamees meant it in the literal sense, but I'll let her explain further why she felt so.In post 1235, DrewVa wrote:You said we’re scumreading “everybody”. I said I’m sr Ram and if they flip red, I’m taking another look at Alonzo.
So, in what world - let alone THIS game - does that add up to “everybody”?
I thought you were supposed to be good at math.
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Does the answer to "who's the chiseled god" affect/inform your reads, or not?In post 1236, DrewVa wrote:Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.
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Why should I ask him if the answer to your question informs *your* read? O.oIn post 1244, DrewVa wrote:
I said, ask Alonzo because he’s the one who brought that up.In post 1239, Thanos wrote:
Does the answer to "who's the chiseled god" affect/inform your reads, or not?In post 1236, DrewVa wrote:Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.
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The current subject is the legitimacy of the alleged "scumslip".In post 1246, DrewVa wrote:At worst, I’m not wrong. At best, it’s NAI. Because I have seen it happen, more often than not.
What you're saying in the quoted can be applied to anything anyone said.
(Assuming by "it" you refer to slips like this)
If you have seen slips highly similar to this one, can you quote them?
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It was a serious question. o.OIn post 1251, DrewVa wrote:Oh, this really is a serious question then?
I legit thought your slot was trolling us for some reason.
I was kidding. rofl
I'm not trolling, I want to figure out why you asked the "chiseled fish" question.
What do you mean -- you asked that question as a joke? Not relevant to the game itself?
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Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.In post 1252, DrewVa wrote:Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.
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I'd appreciate it if the game had less fluff or irrelevant content, since it's already hard to keep up with, then.In post 1254, DrewVa wrote:I think you really are trolling us now. You actually think it was a serious question? Like for realz?
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I did read that.In post 1258, Ramcius wrote:DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"
DrewVa's asking you for your defense against TLK when it's so easy to read your ISO and find 1127 and 1218 makes her push seem lazy, and the lack of willingness to back her claim of seeing similar scumslips is bothersome.
The feeble push here with that serious tone feels a bit scum-motivated to me *shrug*
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I'm throwing a townlean on BEF as well for that post.In post 1263, Xtoxm wrote:good post fishy. i think you're bang on there. you can have a townlean.
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I wouldn't recommend doing that as well.In post 1398, the worst wrote:I would not be quoting from my Confessional if I were one of you guys.....-
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You mean the VC of public in-thread "votes" he's keeping track of? I like it, I think it's pro-town at least in that it helps keep track of sentiments.In post 1391, RCEnigma wrote:Still don't like TLK's VC it's busy work and I'm not a fan.
I encourage the 'busywork', leantown there. Bad lynch.
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UL is one of the lurkiest slots, and Lamees thinks this^ more likely comes from scum!Kokichi than town!Kokichi, even though I felt it was townslippy.In post 250, Ultimate Liars wrote:So it seems I misunderstood. So the 4 people vote privately when to end the day. I thought it was their public votes. What do you guys think of this idea. We always have a majority on the scummier of the 4. That way we guarantee one doesn't vote in private. Until we are ready to vote our actual lynch target?- Emperor flippyNips
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Yes, but it capturesIn post 1404, RCEnigma wrote:It doesn't do anything unless slots openly express they are voting X. So at best it's an inaccurate representation of the gamestate...that's at best. I've expressed why I think votecounts today are an antitown move in the long run though it wasn't acknowledged. Bef said the same recently though which quite a few people agreed with.sentiment. It's inaccurate in terms of who people are voting, but it's the equivalent of a FoS tracker in games with normal vote mechanics.
People should be held accountable to their reads -- a FoS tracker is a great way to support that. I'll look up your previous argument against vote counts.
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Has anyone struck you as particularly scummy so far?In post 1410, profii wrote:I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti
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Is DrewVa that readable? I have one completed scumgame with DVa but I think she's not at easy to read; I'll look up scumgames of the other head, any that come to mind?In post 1412, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I kinda townread this post as I remember thinking the same when I first did ISO skims like forever ago. Also don't think Hebi takes on Drewva as scum knowing they can obv town.
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I'll also add (or re-iterate) that it's pretty damn beneficial for scum to lurk here, since posting naturally potentially attracts votes. Plus it's harder to hold them accountable for their vote.In post 1410, profii wrote:I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti
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Indeed, but there's also a slight difference in that we can't pressure a slot with our vote since we don't have a public vote -- so it's just reduced to threats.In post 1421, RCEnigma wrote:Not game specific, this is the case in any mafia game. It's also right around the corner from Xmas and isn't the place I would expect a scumhunt should originate.
What's your read on Ultimate Liars? We have a scumlean there.
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I don't think you'd lose the effect by stating that. Can easily rephrase to "This slot has been a null-scum/scumlean and hasn't contributed much afterwards".In post 1424, profii wrote:I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect
Also by going for lurkers, particularly at Xmas where there is a few scum can “randomly” pick “this one” imo
The "randomly picking" thing can happen anyway *shrug* one thing I'm disliking about the mechanic, justifying votes in retrospect is pretty easy.
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Thanks for that. It's expected that my playstyle would be found scummy at least on a tonal basis, but I'm currently focusing more on the scumhunting part of it than looking like how town is expected to look.In post 1431, DrewVa wrote:Aiuro is just naturly scummy.
Is there anything my slot has done so far that you read as more scum motivated than town motivated, or anti-town?
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That's the game thoughIn post 1446, DrewVa wrote:And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.
Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?LAMEESist.
Nah, it's cute, and harmless.At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.
Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.Last edited by Boonskiies on Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
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