Newbie 1925 - Game Over

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I like where this is going...

VOTE: Sash

L-1

If you vote for Sash he will be lynched
don't do this yet

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I'm a Vice Principal, btw
no joke

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formerly taught social studies because it's the best

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the only way to lynch scum is to first get them to L-1
but it's not helpful to end the day this soon

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^that was to zeebu

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UNVOTE: Sashasden

I don't like where this is going. I'm not a fan of how quickly this has built up so I think it's best to drop down to L-2 at least for now. All it takes is one trigger-happy hammer from the players that haven't yet posted and the day gets cut extraordinarily short.

do you think this trigger happy person would be more likely town or scum?

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do you really think town comes in here and lolhammers?

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ok that's a decent answer

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actually no
that lolhammer was on page 20
so my question still stands

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@ZestofLife
@zeebu

if you had to choose the most likely scum player right now
who?

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experience:
~70 completed games on site
~20 Newbie games

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@ZestofLife
@zeebu

if you had to choose the most likely scum player right now
who?

I'm just waiting for this

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I liked zeebu's answer a lot more than Zest's answer
VOTE: Zest

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mild scum lean on arith for post 54. several had already stated this (including myself) and general agreement that it probably wasnt likely to happen anyway. i dont think it needed to be said again.

this specifically was solid

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Why specifically those two?

they were my two (very mild) scumreads from the entrance posts

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you
Shiav
zeebu
in order

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@Teacher
what do you make of Sash's TR on you?

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that's actually an incredibly townie question for a newbie to ask

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this game needs more teacher

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@zeebu what do you think of JPD right now?

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so you think I'm scum for giving out townreads
and JPD is town for giving out scumreads
I know... it's more than that
but maybe think about this

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@ZestofLife
@zeebu

if you had to choose the most likely scum player right now
who?

I'm just waiting for this

I referenced this above, but why not play with others while you wait? Its unlike you to just sit.

nothing was happening
and was busy IRL

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you
Shiav
zeebu
in order

Vibing
Vibing
How does that one post leapfrog from scum to town while skipping the apparent entire null pile?
in order.

it leapfrogged from a weak scum lean based on early posts
to a townlean

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129 above was one solid post. Allow me to sheep it. I'm still not 100% comfortable with the wagon though...
VOTE: Zeebu

L-1

why do you dislike the wagon

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TTTT, you understand just how unlikely it is for town to hammer yet you feel the need to specify "If you vote for Sash he will be lynched" "don't do this yet". Why? Are you doubting that people wouldn't know how the game works and would join the lynch train because they didn't know what they were doing?

yeah I doubt town lolhammers bc I'd just made that warning about lolhammering

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snip for context

Too much of a wall to try to mobile quote, but:
1. Stretch your mind on zeebu’s avi, and on the plural “us”/“our”. Where else could they have been used. Unlikely to be direct slips, sure. But lost in translation from other topics? Possibly.

I don't like you not sharing my zeebu TR
"us"/"our" was a response to me asking zest/zeebu for their top SR
I don't get how rejecting your avi for his own choice is AI
if anything that should be town indicative from your town POV, as scum likes appeasing town on trivial matters

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he's hinting that maybe your scum buddy picked it out for you
I think...

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zeebu
vote Zest with me
you won't regret it

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zeebu
vote Zest with me
you won't regret it

Why’s that?

cuz it's better than voting town

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^that slot is 100% town so no newbie should be afraid about jumping in and replacing at this point in time

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JPD
while we wait for a replacement
try and convince me that Sash is scum

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I was joking in 170

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I'd rather a newbie replace in than another SE

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I'm SRing that slot
so no... I don't want a good scum player to replace in

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I mean that kinda makes sense
since I think you are a bad lynch

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but I like the paranoia

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even though tttt had been the loudest voice in my favor, i think he also stands the most to gain if i am mislynched on day 1

That's true — no matter what alignment TTTT is, he gets towncred for opposing your lynch. Do you read him as scum or town, then?

no
I get scumcred if zeebu flips scum
but you seem to be assuming he'll flip town

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why do you dislike the wagon

I'm growing wary of one of the people on the wagon. It might not be 100% town. I know an all-town rarely happens anyways... but ...
I might have some free time at work to check this out further, I will have a clearer head than yesterday evening.

I think Sasha and I have the same thing we are waiting on Zeebu's wagon to see. If Im right, that would go along way to answering JPD's case on Sasha for me. But I agree it cant be discussed at the moment.

I assume those two things are related.

Don't want to derail whatever this is, but fwiw I'm townreading both of you and I'm excited to see what answers would come from this.

this post is +scum

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Scum:
TTTT

why aren't you voting me?

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VOTE: ClearlyClarity

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There's zeebu's wagon at L-1 less than halfway through Day 1; TTTT is scumreading Zest's slot and is the loudest dissident of the zeebu lynch; zeebu feels that TTTT's support of him feels off; JPD was pushing Sasha for Sasha's wishywashy bandwagoning. None of these votes are passive or simply there because they needed to vote someone. Each of these 1-vote spreads shows intent to pressure, which — especially in the case of zeebu flipping town — would be important for VCA after D1.

this is actually pretty good
do more of this and less of the superficial stuff
if you are town

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@ASC
@Zest-replacement

plz give your reads on Clearly

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Why not intent a scumlean who is already run up to L-1? What do you get w the vanity?

are you asking Clearly why he isn't giving intent?
or asking me why I asked Clearly why he isn't voting me?

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I'm not the biggest fan of 1-lynch spreads (ASC and ZoL know this). From town, they represent a kind of passivity, or refusal to participate in the (sometimes risky!) process of building wagons, applying pressure and developing reads. From scum, it can be a defensive tactic used to inconvenience town or dissociate oneself from a partner.

can you explain what you mean by 1-lynch spread?

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screamingnoodle did you read the game before replacing in?

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I have the worst bottom of the page timing...

screamingnoodle did you read the game before replacing in?

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@ASC
thanks
can you give me your read on Clarity plz?

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The second and bigger reason is that I've never hammered before and I'm apprehensive about even declaring intent due to PTSD from 1923

you weren't in 1923 tho
what are you referring to?

[TTTT]

this is stupid
we now have three players waiting for "something"
but essentially doing nothing

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@ASC
why aren't you voting?

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@TTTT, other than the timing post you called out, why are you so against him? What else is towning you there?

was a townlean that strengthened bc
he was sitting at L-1 and...
wasn't flailing
kept asking decent questions that look more like sorting than pushing an agenda
kept making points w/o worrying how it sounded
and paranoia around my TR on him feels real

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@Sash
is 1870 your only scum Newbie game?
is Mini Normal 2044 your only non-Newbie scum game?

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Third, Im curious about the appearance of an avatar different from the one provided from someone who didnt seem graphically inclined.

plz explain how this is scum indicative

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Third, Im curious about the appearance of an avatar different from the one provided from someone who didnt seem graphically inclined.

plz explain how this is scum indicative

I don’t mind that he rejected my choice. I have questions about how he got it.

that doesn't answer my question
I'm asking you to explain 161

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I don’t mind that he rejected my choice. I have questions about how he got it.

oh wait a sec...

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this game is way too inactive...

so plz answer a couple questions:
what time zone do you live in?
when are you most likely to be active?
do you usually phone post or computer post?

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I'll go first

what time zone do you live in?
I'm in the southern US, so EST

when are you most likely to be active?
sporadically throughout the afternoon and evenings

do you usually phone post or computer post?
75% computer, 25% phone

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In other words, the repeat question is either a brain fart on an effort to appear active.

no it was an effort for clarification
but I get now you aren't ready to explain

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@Shiav
I'd like to hear more from you
I had you as an early TR
but that's fading as your contributions to the game fade
where are you at now that the zeebu wagon collapsed?

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I have reasons for wanting more from Shiav
for a second I thought we were on the same wave-length
but maybe not

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^@teacher

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zeebu what forum was it from?

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just checking your claim of where you got the avatar

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boo
my wacky conspiracy theory isn't coming to anything...

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Schiavetto...
(sorry for the misspells)
those are long working hours for a teacher
New England?

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My second observation is that I find this post redundant.

I know
teacher asked time zones before
not everyone answered and there's two new players

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New York

that entire last page with the time zone and activity questions was just to see if you were from Boston
if you reverse image search zeebu's avi on Google it shows it's from some arts education site in Boston
teacher's questioning of his avi made me wonder if you gave it to him
so that's that

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My position on TheASC hasn't changed.

what is that exactly?

also you mentioned earlier your opinion on "1 lynch spreads" and how ASC and ZoL know this?
have you played with them before?

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lynchpool:
Clarity
Noodle
ASC
Sash

those top two should be priority wagons/sorts rn

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Zeebu
who are you scumreading?

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JPD is top town

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can you peeps move some votes to Clarity?

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can you peeps move some votes to Clarity?

I wasn’t crazy about the entry and disappearance, but what makes it worse than Zests empty slot where you previously voiced suspicion?

I said both slots need wagons (304)
but asked for Clarity votes bc a couple players stated suspicions there

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I'm not opposed to that wagon
but I'm leaving my vote on Clarity
until others check back in and wilky posts something useful

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lynchpool:
Clarity
Noodle
ASC
Sash

those top two should be priority wagons/sorts rn

@teacher
to what extent do you agree with this pool?

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unofficial VC

zeebu (2) -

wilky, Schiavetto

TTTT (2) -

zeebu, ClearlyClairty

Sashaddin (2) -

JPD, teacher

ClearlyClariry (1) -

TTTT

Not Voting (2) -

TheASC, Sashaddin

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-04-15 17:35:00).

3 days left and it feels like nobody is even pushing anything
ASC and Sash not voting = BAD
Schiav still on zeebu wagon but not pushing that lynch = BAD
Zeebu and Clarity voting me when I'm obv not the lynch today = BAD
*BAD means anti-town not necessarily scum so let's not start an argument about the above plz

the current game-state is hugely advantageous to scum
as they will get to guide a EoD consensus lynch
town starts the game with an info disadvantage and we failed to lessen that gap due to inactivity
town needs to step up
re-read
move votes
do SOMETHING

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I have some time this morning so here goes...

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zeebu (2) - wilky, Schiavetto

@Schiav
is this still your top Scumread?
you voted Zeebu in 106
but haven't pushed Zeebu at all
or advocated for that lynch
in fact, you interacted twice with Zeebu (107 & 188) in ways that don't look like you SR him
then asked everyone who wasn't voting Zeebu to make a case on their preferred counterwagon (189) ???
then haven't said anything about Zeebu since
while starting to latch on others' low-key shade on me
if you flip scum it looks like Zeebu is your partner

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TTTT (2) - zeebu, ClearlyClairty

@Zeebu
your vote on me is from 118 (reasons given in 117)
but you never try to push my lynch directly
215 was weird coming from town who isn't really pushing his SR
in 238 you say you are "sensing some distancing between clarity and tttt"
other than that nothing pushing others to vote for me
or any re-evaluations of your read on me
like I've posted a billion times this game but you aren't replying to me like you think I'm scum

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a billion times = 79/329 posts in this game

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even though tttt had been the loudest voice in my favor, i think he also stands the most to gain if i am mislynched on day 1

That's true — no matter what alignment TTTT is, he gets towncred for opposing your lynch. Do you read him as scum or town, then?

@teacher
you see how this is likely scum right?

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He was never my top scumread, though I see how you could have gotten that impression.

who was your top SR during the time you were voting zeebu
and why didn't you voice this top SR when zeebu was being wagoned?

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Is it too much to imagine, though, that multiple people could arrive at the opinion that your gameplay's been sus w/o one of those people being scum manufacturing a read? o:

I expect suspicion about my play
it's suspicious when someone isn't suspicious
not sure why you think I SR everyone who questions my gameplay

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Schiav
tell me every thought you've ever had about Arithmancer/Clarity
thx

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the longer this day goes the fewer TRs I have

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teacher if you're town I expect you to blow this game open this weekend

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I'm gonna find teaching jobs at my school for all the teachers here
and assign you extra planning periods
so you'll be more active in your games

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teacher if you're town I expect you to blow this game open this weekend

I'm gonna find teaching jobs at my school for all the teachers here
and assign you extra planning periods
so you'll be more active in your games

See, this is the sort of thing that could've been one post, easily, but spreading it out across multiple comments creates the illusion of activity


BTW, @teacher, remember to address me at some point so we don't get accused of being partners~*~*~

or, ya know, I post something
think of something else to say
and post that something else next

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the longer this day goes the fewer TRs I have

What's changed?

early game the standard to be TR is lower
at this point I expect more players would have shown their town alignment by
pushing the game forward and revealing their motives
but it's not happening

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@teacher
you mean this question?
yeah I'm starting to see that

Zeebu
who are you scumreading?

Are you finally seeing some of what was missing?

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even though tttt had been the loudest voice in my favor, i think he also stands the most to gain if i am mislynched on day 1

That's true — no matter what alignment TTTT is, he gets towncred for opposing your lynch. Do you read him as scum or town, then?

@teacher
you see how this is likely scum right?

teacher you didn't answer this but let me explain...
Clarity seems to be revealing knowledge that zeebu is town
by saying that I gain towncred if zeebu is lynched
Yes, I know zeebu set it up with "if I am mislynched"
but Clarity just runs with the assumption without considering zeebu could be scum and me opposing his lynch would not get me towncred

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He was never my top scumread, though I see how you could have gotten that impression.

who was your top SR during the time you were voting zeebu
and why didn't you voice this top SR when zeebu was being wagoned?

At the time of my zeeb lynch, I was feeling the least cozy abt TheASC. Like I've said before in this game, earlygame wagons--esp for pressure-purposes--are info-mines. You get a lot less out of a pressure lynch if you lead with "It won't be the end of the world to me if you don't flip EOD".

just to be clear, when you say "lynch" above you mean "wagon" right?
I think we are using different terminology
why didn't you talk more about ASC when the game was stalling on the zeebu wagon?

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Also, I'm not too keen on this question, considering zeebu was at the time (and is currently) voting TTTT.

My excuse here is less justifiable . I posted my zeebu analysis before my response to Schiva's post about the vote spread, so I had not fully registered that zeebu had voted for TTTT. I read the vote itself but I forgot to incorporate it in my question to zeebu's 184. I also operated under the assumption that zeebu would flip town despite my scumreading him because I was still reeling from the result of

something I cannot talk about right now,

so I'd written my question with scum!TTTT and town-acting-scummy!zeebu in mind. Serves me right for trying to catch up at 3am in the morning.

can we lynch Clarity plz?

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365 is a townish response
Schiav answers in a way consistent with her prior statements

now look at 236 (just quoted above)
where Clarity is all over the place with this convoluted explanation

[TTTT]

Does it? I've reverse searched and I'm not getting the same results. Could you share your search url with me?

it did on my work laptop
now on my iPad I get no web results just "visually similar images"
from my search history this is the url: https://www.weteachcreativearts.org/

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TTTT, you still haven't answered my question about why you were scum reading Zest. Was it just due to inactivity? If so why did you push so hard to get others to vote him and surely there were other active players you were scumreading too?

from entrances alone zeebu and zest were the most scummy
I asked them both who was the scummiest player
and I liked zeebu's response better
Zest is mostly gut SR combined with the absence

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and at the time I was pushing for votes on zest
I wanted a wagon other than zeebu

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@ ASC, Teacher, TTTT:
If you had to choose a lynch outside of me and Zebu, who would it be?

I'm voting Clarity

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@Clearly
you replaced in five days ago
and made severa posts analyzing the game
since then you have zero posts of game-advancing content
if you're town give us something...

[TTTT]

sorry should be @Clarity

[TTTT]

why are you still voting me?
who else are you SRing?

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yeah we're done here

VOTE: Clarity

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pretty sure this flips red

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I thought zeebu was still here

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if this flips town I'm lynching you tomorrow zeebs

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I was just saying it to see how you'd respond

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I was just saying it to see how you'd respond

and what did you determine?

nothing

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actually sorta townie vibes from it
you don't look to be trying to manipulate through your reactions and questions
but mild

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zeebs I'll give you another 100 town bucks
if you declare intent in your next post

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@Clarity
plz claim your role

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teacher I shall avenge you!

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alright, now im sensing some distancing between clarity and tttt. something about their interactions, unless just retaliatory, hit a chord with me. im still safely under the gun at the moment, so a vote on tttt is certainly a safe move and doubles as allowing cc to get a vote down (as asc pointed out) with little consequence since it doesnt really do anything for the game.

re-reading
and getting the vibe this is a setup

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unofficial VC

zeebu (2) -

wilky, Schiavetto

TTTT (2) -

zeebu, ClearlyClairty

Sashaddin (2) -

JPD, teacher

ClearlyClariry (1) -

TTTT

Not Voting (2) -

TheASC, Sashaddin

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-04-15 17:35:00).

3 days left and it feels like nobody is even pushing anything
ASC and Sash not voting = BAD
Schiav still on zeebu wagon but not pushing that lynch = BAD
Zeebu and Clarity voting me when I'm obv not the lynch today = BAD
*BAD means anti-town not necessarily scum so let's not start an argument about the above plz

the current game-state is hugely advantageous to scum
as they will get to guide a EoD consensus lynch
town starts the game with an info disadvantage and we failed to lessen that gap due to inactivity
town needs to step up
re-read
move votes
do SOMETHING

not sure both scum would be voting me here without support for the wagon though

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@Sash
who are your top 2 TRs?

[TTTT]

Rise and shine & give god the glory, glory!

VOTE: TheASC

I like this vote.

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tttt is townlock

why?

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I like @Sash's analysis - a zeebu-fearkill on teacher feels pretty possible. Looking at teacher's stated townlocks, too, I could see scum NKing him to facilitate a push on any of those three during the day.
Will also add that I'm still not too fond of the wilky inactivity-lynch. In every iteration of this setup, town has access to at least one investigative PR--and in every possible configuration of our current remaining players, we can look into that slot without giving scum a free flip.

I'm not adverse to a policy lynch down the line, but I'm in no rush. Voting beween zeebu & ASC seems fruitful.

I like this post a lot

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TTTT is strong, right, but I think Teacher is strong too and had better reads Day 1.

wait...
how do you know he had better reads day1?
the only flip that could inform this statement is Clarity
and I initiated that wagon and pushed it to completion

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VOTE: Sash

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if I'm being 100% honest
I just really want it to not be Zeebu
bc I was the only one TRing him day1
and it'll be a cool flex in postgame if I was right

[TTTT]

it still might be you

[TTTT]

and I initiated that wagon and pushed it to completion

Open question: Was the second scum on or off the wagon?

I have no idea

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@MJL
feel free to do your catch-up read without the flips

[TTTT]

strategically Sash looks scummy
but tonally he feels town
there's no fake anger at being SR
just frustration with his poor play

[TTTT]

BFFs 4ever

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^@MJL

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confirming that makes sense to me
doesn't mean she isn't scum
but that checks out from my POV

[TTTT]

he was active on site during night1

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jo_Bang

[TTTT]

it's better than
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jo_Kopechne

[TTTT]

VOTE: MJL
where's my ketchup?

[TTTT]

Hold on. I'm half-way through reading and commenting on the thread

I don't see any comments

[TTTT]

hey gang. it is interesting to see myself at the center of a lot of this drama.

see?
this just isn't the sort of post you expect to come from scum during a time of inactivity

[TTTT]

Am I understanding correctly that before I joined the game, my slot made a grand total of 7 posts? ScreamingNoodle made 0 posts?

what's the point of this question?
it looks scummy

[TTTT]

I dunno
if I had a theory I probably wouldn't say anyway

[TTTT]

I'm not voting Sash

[TTTT]

why are you TRing MJL?

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Oh my b, didn't see the updated vote.

I don't TR them per se, they're a null that I don't think is worth flipping rn. I mean, if you want to go for it tomorrow, by all means, let's. But I think it's wasted effort.

yeah I also don't get why it's wasted effort
MJL is going to post her ketchup post soon
maybe she'll convince me she's town
but I doubt it

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ok I admit it MJL's ketchup post isn't screaming scum

[TTTT]

I have two hopeful outcomes for this game:
1. for zeebu to be town
2. for "ketchup" to become a thing

[TTTT]

I've been too lazy day2
that's what you get when everybody TRs me
and we already lynched 1 scum
I'll try and get a re-read done sometime soon with updated thoughts
there must be nuggets in day1 after that flip

[TTTT]

VOTE: Sash

This is L-1

[TTTT]

I reread the game and feel pretty good about this

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Spoiler: This is a scummy progression near the end of day

339 - Sash makes zeebu vote after I start pushing CC and others voice suspicions
369 - Sash says CC is TR
385 - Sash votes wilky (why the change from zeebu?)
392 - Sash says he'd lynch between Schiav, Zeebu, CC (where'd that come from?)
396 - Sash votes CC

[TTTT]

Great. Now my anxiety just went through the roof. Hammering makes me nervous! You know this.

if you want to vote Sash I can unvote
and then I'll give intent

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Spoiler: This is a scummy progression near the end of day

339 - Sash makes zeebu vote after I start pushing CC and others voice suspicions
369 - Sash says CC is TR
385 - Sash votes wilky (why the change from zeebu?)
392 - Sash says he'd lynch between Schiav, Zeebu, CC (where'd that come from?)
396 - Sash votes CC

Arg.
385 is ASC

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UNVOTE:

[TTTT]

This is my intent to hammer Sash

after Sash claims everyone will have a chance to discuss/counterclaim
I'll give it at least 24 hours from this post

[TTTT]

after my reread-

Town
JPD
MJL
Schiav

Maybe scum
zeebu
ASC

[TTTT]

@ASC
huh?

[TTTT]

I wanted a Sash claim bc it looks like Sash softed PR twice on day1
269
407
but now can't claim PR bc his partner is dead and it would mean a counterclaim and game over

[TTTT]

"we might learn something"
I mean it could be meant as "we might learn something about the other players voting for me"
but it could also be meant as "you will learn I am a PR"

[TTTT]

Sash should be the lynch today because...

1) overall scummy play
2) his actions around CC's lynch are sketchy
3) he looks to have softed PR day1 but now claims VT
5) we should not risk outing a PR by taking anybody else to L-1
6) Sash should not survive to Lylo and scum will NOT kill him for us if he is town. If he is town and isn't lynched today we'll have to lynch him at some point anyway
7) there was no #4 and you didn't notice so now you have to do what I say

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If I place a vote, it's going to L-1, right?

yes
I unvoted so you could vote and give me the hammer
so he's at L-2

[TTTT]

I still intend to hammer
but would like others to chime in first

[TTTT]

in the event Sash is town
and I'm dead
here are my notes after reviewing the game with scum!CC in mind:

106 - Schiav disagreeing with me is townie
123 - Sash looks scum
Sash's day1 "wariness" of someone on Zeebu's wagon is super scummy looking
167 - Sash with his "something I will not talk about right now" thing - scummy
200 - Clarity kinda points to zeebu as the partner - setting me up in case zeebu flips scum
wait no... Clarity seems to be assuming zeebu is town
233 - ASC looks bad trying to show two scummy posts by Clarity but ending the post with, "Most of the rest of Clarity's posts seem townie, although I'd struggle to pick out specific examples and describe why they seem townie, however I feel this is me being inexperienced more than Clarity being anti-town."
238 - ooooh this looks scummy from zeebu (tying me to Clarity scumflip)
239 - nope zeebu isn't the partner (my vote is on CC and ASC just voiced CC susp so scum!zeebu prob doesn't jump in too)
259 - scummy post from Sash
269 - Sash softing PR
301 - JPD not partners with CC (unneeded attention drawn to CC here when scum could skate by)
332 - again zeebu has no need to call out CC as his strongest SR with only one vote there and nearing EoD
334 - zeebu votes CC
335 - then immediately moves to Sash (what?)
339 - Sash makes zeebu vote (to divert from the consensus growing on CC?)
334 - wilky (MJL) looking like town here with the unvote
345 - Schiav what?? voting TheASC with no comment on the main wagon building (CC)
369 - Sash says CC is TR
385 - ASC votes wilky (vanity wagon vote on lurker instead of joining the CC wagon who he also SRs)
392 - Sash says he'd lynch between Schiav, Zeebu, Clarity
396 - Sash votes CC
407 - Sash with weird PR soft
446 - scummy post from zeebu

in a nutshell:

if Sash is town ASC is the next most likely scum
no I'm not scum trying to set up mislynches
I'm most likely dead if the game isn't over with a Sash lynch
bc you have all been vocal about TRing me

[TTTT]

are you looking for someone to talk you out of it or confirm your thoughts?

neither
I just want some discussion bc if he's town more discussion is good

[TTTT]

I have a hard time seeing anybody but Sash or ASC as CC's partner
maybe Schiav
but I'm TRing him independently of a CC connection

[TTTT]

maaaaybe MJL
but if she's scum she is much improved from her last scum game
and wilky's 344 looked town

[TTTT]

269 was a VT softclaim.

why would you softclaim VT?

[TTTT]

stop giving me doubts Sash!

[TTTT]

if you are town please give us some last thoughts
if you are scum feel free to self-hammer
because even thought I really liked 641 you still have to be the lynch

[TTTT]

JPD is being TR by most everyone I think

[TTTT]

TTTT is probably trying to get a hammer to get town cred. Looks Bad, especially when I flip green.

why do you think scum!me would get towncred for hammering town!you?

[TTTT]

Uhm. TTTT?

yes?

[TTTT]

@MJL
if it has to do with potential PRs then don't out it
otherwise feel free

[TTTT]

Sasha made a bunch of comments after he thought he was hammered, but then claimed that he didn't realize that he wasn't hammered. It seemed like it could have been staged.

Would anyone fake that? Maybe that's too obvious.

I read 649 as him going back to check the votes and thinking he was lynched then realizing he wasn't
rather than implying he had thought he was scummed while writing those previous posts

[TTTT]

he dead

[TTTT]

First things first...
I'm confirmed town based on JPD's first post of day2
if we have a Neapolitan and they have at least 1 Vaniila result on a player

other than me

they should claim Nea and out results and the game is solved by lynching in the remaining two players

[TTTT]

Are you doing an all-call for Neopolitan?

no
only if they have a VT result on someone other than me

[TTTT]

I don't want to lynch either of you two

[TTTT]

VOTE: ASC

[TTTT]

Go ISO Micc and view the vote counts
ASC's votes are bad
waits for a wagon then joins
rather than pushing scumreads
day2 didn't vote until CC wagon looked like it would happen
and he voted wilky before jumping on the CC wagon

[TTTT]

MJL how you feeling about this game?

[TTTT]

That's L-1

@Schiav
if you prematurely hammer for the 3rd day in a row
and the game doesn't end
you are the no-questions-asked lynch tomorrow

[TTTT]

he hasn't even posted yet today

UNVOTE:

[TTTT]

@Schiav
I don't wanna get into it about your hammers
but basically they were both premature
We can discuss more postgame

[TTTT]

@ASC
if you are tracker and have a N2 "went nowhere" result on anybody other than me
you should out that

[TTTT]

How rude of me! Thanks for asking, TTTT. How are *you* feeling about this game?

not great
I haven't locked in any of you as town at this point

[TTTT]

You don't seem to have addressed my main point regarding a Neapolitan which is that we would not have any more clears than we do currently - just because someone claims Nea with a result doesn't mean they actually are Nea with a result. In C1, the last scum knows there's no other PR so they can claim Nea themselves and we absolutely don't want to accidentally clear scum.

this is almost correct but it doesn't quite work out that way
gimme a minute

[TTTT]

Another important point worth mentioning here is that Neapolitan with a non-VT result should also claim as this instantly narrows the game down to 2 potential scum (the claimed target and the claimed Neapolitan) and we lynch them both.

yes
I'm assuming everybody knows that...
Neapolitan should absolutely claim if they have a non-VT result
Tracker should absolutely claim if they have a positive result

[TTTT]

In no circumstance

should Doc claim today
unless placed at L-1 with intent to hammer

[TTTT]

You don't seem to have addressed my main point regarding a Neapolitan which is that we would not have any more clears than we do currently - just because someone claims Nea with a result doesn't mean they actually are Nea with a result. In C1, the last scum knows there's no other PR so they can claim Nea themselves and we absolutely don't want to accidentally clear scum.

so I've asked for Nea to claim

only if

they have a VT result outside of me
here's how this breaks down for scum fake-claiming...

If we are in setup C1 and scum claims Nea with a VT result on one of [ASC, zeebu, Schiav, MJL]
(let's say scum!ASC fakeclaims and with a VT result on zeebu for this hypothetical)
we lynch in the remaining players [Schiav, MJL]
(let's say MJL)
who does scum!ASC NK?
choices are TTTT (99% conftown based on the cop)
or zeebu (100% conftown based on scum!ASC just confirming via Nea)
either way ASC still has to claim

another

Nea result day4
and so for hypothetical let's say scum!ASC kills zeebu
day4 is [ASC, Schiav, TTTT]
scum!ASC has to out another VT (on Schiav)
scum!ASC can't say "oh I Nea targeted TTTT bc I was paranoid" bc that's a clear scumclaim
this also works identically if Tracker claims a no visit result on someone outside of TTTT

TLDR: scum lose if we are in C1 and they fake-claim Neapolitan or Tracker with an inno result outside of TTTT

[TTTT]

everybody in their next post should either say:

If I am a Neapolitan or Tracker I do not have an innocent result outside of TTTT

or post:

I am [Neapolitan, Tracker] and [player] is town because...

[TTTT]

I'll start:

If I am a Neapolitan or Tracker I do not have an innocent result outside of TTTT

[TTTT]

why this will work:

assume MJL is Tracker (or Neapolitan... same thing here)
if you out a VT in [ASC, zeebu, Schiav, MJL]
(let's say ASC)
scum (let's say scum!zeebu) has to decide if they counterclaim
(they won't because there's only one left scum left and we just lynch both claimers until we win)
so scum!zeebu doesn't CC and we lynch in the remaining pool of [zeebu, Schiav]
(let's say Schiav)
night3 scum!zeebu has to NK either TTTT (99% conftown) or MJL (claimed PR) or ASC (conftown due to MJL)
obviously they have to kill MJL
(but it doesn't really matter who they kill)
day4 starts with [zeebu, ASC, TTTT]
conftown and 99% conftown

switch around the names however you want
it results in a mechanical win for town from my POV

[TTTT]

also in NO circumstance should town fake-claim PR here
I don't care how strong your read is that someone is scum
I don't care if you think you are being a genius and trying to bait a nightkill
it will backfire

[TTTT]

By the sound of it, the other players here want today's and tomorrow's lynches to be the two of us

I think that's just MJL

[TTTT]

zeebu hasn't posted in over two days
Schiav is getting close to that too

[TTTT]

everybody in their next post should either say:

If I am a Neapolitan or Tracker I do not have an innocent result outside of TTTT

or post:

I am [Neapolitan, Tracker] and [player] is town because...

@Schiav

[TTTT]

@MJL
the answer to your last question is ASC

[TTTT]

VOTE: ASC

[TTTT]

if this flips town I'm unsure where we go tomorrow if there's no investigative result

[TTTT]

if the game gets to day4 and I'm dead
don't automatically believe a PR claim

[TTTT]

pretty sure this is A3 or C1
I have a hard time believing Nea or Tracker don't have an inno

[TTTT]

actually they could have targeted me night2
bc JPD was flipped at dawn
and I prob wasn't a bad investigative target before that

[TTTT]

we lynched him

[TTTT]

I think it's Schiav
but nothing would suprise me

[TTTT]

What happened to L-1, and intent to hammer?

he knew he was the lynch today and didn't hint at anything
it was obvious he was scum or VT

[TTTT]

you'll make it to day4