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VOTE: Galron
100% scum flip

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VOTE: Eiralox

Can everyone let me know how experienced they are?
I've been playing mafia on and off for years but have about 10 games on site.

Does FP always open like this?

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KT is town

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I've analyzed all the posts in the thread and even though only half the playerbase has checked in, I have determined the wolf team beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd tell you all who the wolves are, but that'd make the game unfun for everyone else, so I'll hold off for now.

Also, hello everyone!

Spoiler: disclaimer

the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" here means with probability exactly 1/220.

I’d take those odds tbf
KT is town for the response to schadd

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I've analyzed all the posts in the thread and even though only half the playerbase has checked in, I have determined the wolf team beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd tell you all who the wolves are, but that'd make the game unfun for everyone else, so I'll hold off for now.

Also, hello everyone!

Spoiler: disclaimer

the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" here means with probability exactly 1/220.

I’d take those odds tbf
KT is town for the response to schadd

is this a meta read?

not exactly
it's not KT meta, more just general expectation based on when I've made posts like the one KT did

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

why would anyone have called it sus?

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

I don't see the "hmmm..." post as suspicious, but the post telling us how suspicious it was isn't doing you any favors.

Unvote, Vote: Seanzie

It is doing me plenty of favors.

how???
I don't rlly like hash shell's vote tho

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or at least, his presentation of it

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

What about it is supposed to be suspicious?

I've seen wolves "hmm..." posts to make it look like they're thinking hard about something while not actually giving any takes, and they can later use that post to fit pretty much any narrative (i.e. if I was a wolf and later today I push Galron, I could be like "see, I suspected them all the way back here!" vs if I decide to townread them, I could be like "yeah, I thought a lot about them as early as this and decided they look townie!".

why did you essentially decide to try a reaction test?
Also where have you seen scum do this sort of thing before?

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was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case

I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.

spicy

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I wanna move my vote but also want Galron to actually do something before I do so

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I wanna move my vote but also want Galron to actually do something before I do so

Who do you want to move to?

Do you expect Galron to act differently based on a single vote on them?

Probably said rick son
Maybe, but he hasn’t posted any real content yet and I kinda feel like he has a decent chance to be scum if he just sits there frozen
I’m gonna feel like a god if Galron is scum here if only because I at least had a peek into the mindset of Cabd in Tarot uPick.

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You could said that about how Cabd caught marcistar in Tarot uPick.

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I’ll wait for Galron’s own return before I determine whether this is premature, thank you!

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I welcome Galron votes in the meantime to raise the stakes though.

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If that’s the kind of response I can expect, I’m full sending this.
All aboard the Galron wagon!

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I watch a fair bit of Chuggaaconroy and every time a volume warning comes up I actually max out my volume
My sig is actually a song title but the song itself is actually rather painful to listen to (there’s a sound like a fork scraping a plate at one point, that’s the main thing)

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Anyway we got like 5-6 pages to yeet Galron in order to get a faster scum yeet than in Tarot uPick

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marcistar got caught really fast for being deer-caught-in-the-headlights scum

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No I’m just really high on my own supply

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was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case

I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.

Fascinating. Does this make sense to anybody else?

I kinda get it

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honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?

what do you think of Galron?

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honestly though d1 my thought process kind of goes in circles due to lack of concrete info, I'm happy just voting after whoever posts the least which at this point is fancypants, what do you think seanzie?

what do you think of Galron?

Galron's ISO is a random vote on me and a 5 posts that don't even try to play the game.

Wouldn't exactly call it scintillating stuff.

Not that I'm being terribly exciting either, for once. Then again... I feel like I'm

super

low energy, and I'm still the 4th highest poster. Considering my tendency to dominate post counts maybe it's a good thing to not be doing it for once.

How many votes is Galron at now I'm curious

me + sean + mala + red would be 4 if I'm not missing any

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VOTE: RedCardinal

oh sean voted red so 3 votes

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

you made a non-RVS galron vote here but dropped it to vote red before explaining.Why did you vote Galron here?

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

you made a non-RVS galron vote here but dropped it to vote red before explaining.Why did you vote Galron here?

Their "oh Shodd's here" post looked like it could be trying to create a bad teammate interaction. Nothing strong, but latching onto weak things early on gets the game going.

I don't think Galron is teamed w schadd based on that post (schadd actually feels like town rn) but I do think it ties in closely to my comparison to that other game

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Yes
He’s pretty goofy as town but he’s at least around as town
He’s a statue here.

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I can't tell if gamma is confbiasing or wolf. Seems he decided I was scum after fewer than 10 words.

Not the first time though.

Sounds like scum upset they got caught so fast, and scrambling for purchase.

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uh well i was wondering what mala's basis was for the push

Fair enough but to me it's apparent she's sheeping gamma. It's kind of what she does iirc.

um what? wdym “it’s what she does”?

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I can't tell if gamma is confbiasing or wolf. Seems he decided I was scum after fewer than 10 words.

Not the first time though.

Sounds like scum upset they got caught so fast, and scrambling for purchase.

Lol

If you were town I would think you’d at least expect more good faith in regards to my push. “confbiasing or wolf” is a scummy take because you have to deflect the pressure on you somehow.

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

I don't see the "hmmm..." post as suspicious, but the post telling us how suspicious it was isn't doing you any favors.

Unvote, Vote: Seanzie

it does show a certain kind of self-awareness I think scum are more likely to have
VOTE: Seanzie

This is a fake read. Anyone want to guess why?

Why is this tmi seanzie?

He said nothing about TMI there???

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Not that, I believe? Did you get fed partial info in the scum PT and just spew nonsense as a result?

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Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

What about it is supposed to be suspicious?

I've seen wolves "hmm..." posts to make it look like they're thinking hard about something while not actually giving any takes, and they can later use that post to fit pretty much any narrative (i.e. if I was a wolf and later today I push Galron, I could be like "see, I suspected them all the way back here!" vs if I decide to townread them, I could be like "yeah, I thought a lot about them as early as this and decided they look townie!".

This is TvT, I had similar misunderstandings as town and got dogpiled by other townies.

This looks like TMI.

What "misunderstandings" are being had here?

This is the only direct accusation of TMI sean makes.
Wanna run that by me again Galron?

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I think at the very least Galron indicated non-linear comprehension of the game, because it’s apparent he saw something about TMI and tried to respond before knowing the facts

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Whether that’s a sure scumtell depends on if he has done it as town before
In a vacuum, I would call it more likely scum because they have a PT to gather additional info from w/out reading the main thread

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Whether that’s a sure scumtell depends on if he has done it as town before
In a vacuum, I would call it more likely scum because they have a PT to gather additional info from w/out reading the main thread

Scum rarely communicate like this in their BTSC from my experience. Like the only way I could see my TMI accusation making it into scumchat would be if it was spot on, but then in that world scum!Galron would know it was about KT rather than Red, and so this mistake being a scumchat slip is extremely unlikely IMO.

Also, this "sure scumtell unless he's done it before" thing is... extremely scummy IMO. There are tons of ways someone can things in the thread slightly wrong, and a lack of evidence of them doing a similar goof earlier does not make it a "sure scumtell". This is a bad read with way too much strength behind it IMO.

Now weither that points to you/Galron being s/s or s/t idk, but it does make me pretty suspicious of you.

Interesting.

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Galron/Seanzie/Eiralox scumteam maybe?

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Galron/Seanzie/Eiralox scumteam maybe?

Is this just OMGUS or do you have an actual reason to suspect me aside from me calling out a bad read you gave?

I think your vote on galron earlier was probably flimsy distancing

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that also covers hash shell's question I think

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My friend was just telling me about how she met someone who’s dog died in front of her on the spot after eating a poisonous frog

My cats would probably last an hour in the wild. Too much fur, not enough street smarts. If we let them out at night they would get eaten by a coyote.

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was somebody supposed to tell you it was scummy? what was your plan in that case

I was kind of hoping someone would, yeah. Gotta get the game going somehow, and I read people better when they push me. Since I know no one here, it would have been helpful to see how people reacted to me.

Fascinating. Does this make sense to anybody else?

Isn’t what Seanzie did a thing that happens a lot?

A reaction test that ends after two hours for no reason with no reactions either way? No, to my knowledge it is not a thing that happens a lot.

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tee-free also feels like town rn

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????
the post you responded to was about galron

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oh you addressed that
still, how tf did you think red was talking about FP?

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based on context that was clearly about galron, who was commented to have posted stuff that was scummier than just not posting at all before

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Crescent repeatedly attempting to undermine the Galron wagon makes me think she could be scum, if Galron is but Sean/Eir isn’t

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Crescent repeatedly attempting to undermine the Galron wagon makes me think she could be scum, if Galron is but Sean/Eir isnt

I wouldn't say I've undermined the wagon, but I have questioned it. Three of the votes on that wagon are objectively very weak (Mala, Red, and Kitty), and the votes include 3 of the 4 lowest posters in the entire game.

And it's weird for you to jump to that conclusion because you know I question

everything

. You should know enough to be worried if I

didn't

question it.

you've been against that read since the very beginning though.

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Galton made 7 posts in a row and they all said absolutely nothing, then he proceeded to.. "lol" when asked to give actual content?

Galton is exuding quite an impressive level of don't give a shit here. People have brought up other games of his: Is there any precedent for him acting this way?

Galron’s not giving a shit is just very fake and it seems like Galron is scum desperately trying to shake the ‘deer in headlights’ label that Gamma gave him. Just saying ‘Lol’ when asked to give reads is obviously not pro-town. The town thing to do here is to actually try and find reads?

Yep, it is. Galron has made a habit of fluffing up his post count by making several consecutive short posts at a time that don't really say much, which is inherently a scum minded action in order to appear more contributory. I do think there's a decent chance he's scum here, but I also think the semi-inactives who are voting him with effectively 0 content need to do more.

Here's the thing, you attacking votes on Galron the way you are feels at odds with your read on Galron.
And I think scum are either less experienced or less present given what happened the last time a scum was caught this fast. So tbf your odds of being scum are low in that lens.

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Galton made 7 posts in a row and they all said absolutely nothing, then he proceeded to.. "lol" when asked to give actual content?

Galton is exuding quite an impressive level of don't give a shit here. People have brought up other games of his: Is there any precedent for him acting this way?

Galron’s not giving a shit is just very fake and it seems like Galron is scum desperately trying to shake the ‘deer in headlights’ label that Gamma gave him. Just saying ‘Lol’ when asked to give reads is obviously not pro-town. The town thing to do here is to actually try and find reads?

Yep, it is. Galron has made a habit of fluffing up his post count by making several consecutive short posts at a time that don't really say much, which is inherently a scum minded action in order to appear more contributory. I do think there's a decent chance he's scum here, but I also think the semi-inactives who are voting him with effectively 0 content need to do more.

Here's the thing, you attacking votes on Galron the way you are feels at odds with your read on Galron.
And I think scum are either less experienced or less present given what happened the last time a scum was caught this fast. So tbf your odds of being scum are low in that lens.

You know who isn't present at all?

Two of the people voting him.

that's fair
in the other game scum had absolutely zero ability to react at all in a substantial manner to the d1 scum turboyeet, but since I was stonewalled early on they likely got a chance
there's also the decentralized playerlist in terms of positioning irl; in the other game most of the players lived close enough together to have met up irl; I'd wager that's less likely here.

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t3 entrance a little bit towny

I've never seen Gamma play with this kind of sustained bloodlust before and it's jarring to me.

Oddly though, it doesn't really scumping me. Gamma kinda doesn't strike me as the kind of scum player to try to murder off someone 3 pages into a game. Feel free to correct me if this is wrong, but this very much feels like town-tunnelvision to me. I constantly make associations the way Gamma currently is when I'm scumpinged on someone as hard as they seem to be on Galron.

had kinda the same thought but i'm less willing to read town into it. was really weirded out by her being so fired up abt galron. well i guess thats just already what youre saying

if you'd like I can dig deep into why this galron yeet is so important for me
that might help you understand my town pov better

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there's more to it
so in that game I linked I for the longest time have been unable to grasp what cabd caught onto. I think I have it now tho and I want to know if I'm correct. A galron scumflip at any point would effectively tell me "the secret sauce has been found". I just would like that flip sooner rather than later.
Now, this kinda requires town pov, does it not?

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Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

Well hello, good to see you!
Do you mind if I call you UD?

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VOTE: MalaKittens

UNVOTE: gamma

kay that was easy. I got my first town read curteosy of page 2

VOTE: Eiralox

Can everyone let me know how experienced they are?
I've been playing mafia on and off for years but have about 10 games on site.

Does FP always open like this?

I think I remember a similar opening in kitty's last game

i ahve to check

These posts look performative. There's no follow up on the promise to check the previous game and the town read on Gamma looks fake.

Mala has been busy so lack of follow-up on a meta point is excusable.

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crescent looking real bad if galron flips scum

Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

not without your help

what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

Scummy string of posts

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Mala pretty blatantly sheeped Gamma and that's... Yeah I don't know Mala enough.

She's worth flipping D1 for stuff like that. She's not a bad Town player.

This pre-flips Galron as town, as well as I feel like calls me a bad player to sheep? So I’m a bit offended from that bit. And imo Galron has been scummy and refused to give anything to work with. In past games where he’s been town that’s twtbaw he’s at least felt sassy, here’s he’s just blah.

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It's 2:00 and I shouldn't be up. Anyway I'm puzzled that anyone thinks I'm padding numbers.. I am very much a stream of conscious poster. I have a thought I write it out and then think of something else I should have said. I have no filter in that regard. If people think I'm scum because of it then it's no wonder I get scum read as much as I do. I thought people looked at my past games? If anything I'm more cautious and more aware when I'm maf.

Your ISO contains no thoughts though.

Try that again!

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It's 2:00 and I shouldn't be up. Anyway I'm puzzled that anyone thinks I'm padding numbers.. I am very much a stream of conscious poster. I have a thought I write it out and then think of something else I should have said. I have no filter in that regard. If people think I'm scum because of it then it's no wonder I get scum read as much as I do. I thought people looked at my past games? If anything I'm more cautious and more aware when I'm maf.

Your ISO contains no thoughts though.

Try that again!

You want to insult me?

Am I wrong?

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the thing about it is i have this sinking feeling that this is like a townie who is thinking of punishing everyone for voting a low content slot, or like otherwise proceeding out of spite. one does have to consider that openly refusing to budge on or really address the large amt of people voting them, but (just to articulate it for myself!) i do get the strong feeling that they're scum who doesn't know where to go from here, maybe thinks something like "once i start having to pretend to scumhunt everybody is gonna use terms like 'TMI' and 'fake' at me and its gonna suck so bad". galron if youre scum that is probably true yes. and then also you just vote out people who dont play mafia

I'm just frustrated. GAmma is playing anti-town and no one has pointed it out. His stated reason for dogging me is for his personal satisfaction. I think town Gamma wants to hit a home run by calling his shot in his first post, before I even got here. It's clear to me. Scum gamma of course just wants me deadl but I don't think gamma is scum tbh. Gamma is seasoned enough scum not to ride a horse from starting line to finish. I mean I gave content in my very first post, a few fluff posts after that, and then I played straight up. Under the pressure of at least 8-9 people confbiasing me. Really I'm idle out doing something for 6-8 hours and I'm frozen? WTF is that. Do I think there are scum voting me? Yes. Here I am with a confirmable roll as shitty as it is, and I have 12 people scum reading me. So yeah I'm thinking nothing I say is going to make a difference. I don't care if I'm scumread. As I said I get scumread early and often. What pisses me off is there are only 2-3 players looking at this through some sort of objective lens. Mala and Kitty both stink here.

pedit: I'm at e-1 I'm a town backup neighbor. Do what you want with that.

Also crescent you've used the incorrect pronouns with at least two peple

I believe my read on you, the personal element just dictates my immediate desire to see you flipped. Also, backup neighbor is confirmable but it can be scum, so your attitude doesn't rlly make sense. And I don't feel like your first post had much actually useful content; it was merely an off-topic comment and a naked vote. Beyond that, when pressed for reads by hash shell you only posted "lol" twice in a row.

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btw imo that last line should've been its own post

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Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

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oh, it was a crumb

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I'm sorry mala but I've seen it all too often from you and from gamma

seen what?

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I'm a little less confident about galron being scum after realizing he crumbed his role in his first post, idk if scum!Galron thinks to do that

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crescent looking real bad if galron flips scum

Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

not without your help

what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

Scummy string of posts

In what way? I get how the first post is scummy, but not really the rest.

it feels like scum thoughtspew

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If it was the all too often comment it's the beetlejuicing.

>:/

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I reviewed a couple past Galron games and I'm back to feeling pretty sure he's scum. His posting this game feels like MN 2234, and unlike EFoBBBiO.

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Just because Galron is true claiming doesn’t make him town. That’s a naive mindset.

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Just because Galron is true claiming doesn’t make him town. That’s a naive mindset.

Your face is a naive mindset.

um, so do you think the role makes galron town then

I think it makes Galron more likely town, yes. Granted though the way people have been acting, maybe neighbor isn't as townie as a role on this forum as what I'd expect. Either way, I still kinda think KT is a better elim right now.

I actually see the KT!scum logic a fair bit so I won’t shout down that wagon if it happens

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Just because Galron is true claiming doesn’t make him town. That’s a naive mindset.

Your face is a naive mindset.

um, so do you think the role makes galron town then

I think it makes Galron more likely town, yes. Granted though the way people have been acting, maybe neighbor isn't as townie as a role on this forum as what I'd expect. Either way, I still kinda think KT is a better elim right now.

I've yet to see an all-town hood in a game, though I know it theoretically can happen.

Fun fact: Galron played against me when I was a scum backup neighbor once

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ive never seen post 25 in my whole life. maybe i saw that first line and just immediately stopped processing it and cleared the memory

It’s from a different game

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You're right it's not alignment indicative. Gamma and I were in a game awhile ago where I was in a hood and gamma was a mafia backup neighbor, and actually there were two mafia backup neighbors I think -- gamma a little help? Completely suckered me.

maybe its a mafia indicative role then
//
oh

It was for gamma but not me. Have you ever put a backup neighbor in your games? I don't think I've seen one except for these two games.

Maybe work on your reading comp
If it was “mafia indicative” I wouldn’t have snowed you so hard

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sorry really dont see kitty as scum

sorrynotsorry

y

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okay I mean I know why it's because he's scum
enchant, want some time to read the thread or do you wanna read it at night?

I don't plan to read, unless there's something important you want me to show.

Hammer Galron for us pls

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Oh and you also being used to 48/24 like me does make the Galron vote more understandable. 14 day-long days are kinda ridiculous.

Anything less than 72 hours for a day phase is incomprehensible to me. And to make things worse most games with that sort of deadline have dozens of pages each day phase. I actually have a life, I can’t focus on a game like that.

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omegalul
I'm viewing myself and Malakittens as conftown for how Galron interacted w us

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He tried to discredit/shade the both of us in the same manner

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Is Crescent someone who is usually fearkilled or something?

I don’t think so, she’s not well-known to anyone here

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I’ll probably re-read all of D1 with flips and assumptions on certain alignments in mind

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The Crescent kill is an odd one, tbh; I was expecting to start pressuring her based on the Galron flip and I assume redcardinal was going to do the same,

I was gonna be more critical of her 4 sure but wasn't really inclined to push there immediately

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Actually let's start here.

Vote: UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

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why UD?

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I feel like UD genuinely believed her read there
Meanwhile I think someone like Seanzie is more sus for voting Galron and then immediately unvoting following the claim

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Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

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You wanna try and accuse me?

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Mala pretty blatantly sheeped Gamma and that's... Yeah I don't know Mala enough.

She's worth flipping D1 for stuff like that. She's not a bad Town player.

This is probably the post that sticks out the most for me. Calling Mala out like this is bound to backfire upon Galron’s scum flip. I think UD probably processes that and doesn’t make a post this brazen as scum.

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And I fucking DARE you, try and construct a reason I’m scum with Galron that doesn’t get ripped to shreds in less than 5 minutes.

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Oh please. Why do I even put Galron in the hot seat in the first place if I’m scum with him? I would be in prime position to coach him to not be frozen, and instead I totally dumpster him! You wanna see how I interact with a scum buddy in that sort of scenario, go check out EFoBBiO where I had bugspray as my scum partner.

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Actually let's start here.

Vote: UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

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why UD?

Crescent was wishywashy about the Galron wagon, but KiriGiri used her limited posts to try and stop the momentum on it.

I feel like UD genuinely believed her read there
Meanwhile I think someone like Seanzie is more sus for voting Galron and then immediately unvoting following the claim

Mala pretty blatantly sheeped Gamma and that's... Yeah I don't know Mala enough.

She's worth flipping D1 for stuff like that. She's not a bad Town player.

This is probably the post that sticks out the most for me. Calling Mala out like this is bound to backfire upon Galron’s scum flip. I think UD probably processes that and doesn’t make a post this brazen as scum.

Gamma believed "UD genuinely believed her read there", while talking specifically about her read on Galron. What post does Gamma give that felt genuine? A post from UD about Mala. Nah. Their read on UD was faked, and they can't back it up.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Maybe if you had the ability to parse nuance you’d realize the point about Mala does relate to UD’s Galron read. By saying Mala is scum for her Galron push, that necessitates Galron!town! If Mala wanted, she could very much say “through Galron’s scumflip I have proven that I am GOOD town, so UD calling me bad town is a bad look”.
VOTE: Seanzie

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And I fucking DARE you, try and construct a reason I’m scum with Galron that doesn’t get ripped to shreds in less than 5 minutes.

Nah, I'll just bury you on your own play.

Go ahead and try scumfuck, but Mini Normals lack multiball or Serial Killers, so any belief I’m scum has to reconcile the fact that I put Galron in the fucking ground.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh please. Why do I even put Galron in the hot seat in the first place if I’m scum with him? I would be in prime position to coach him to not be frozen, and instead I totally dumpster him! You wanna see how I interact with a scum buddy in that sort of scenario, go check out EFoBBiO where I had bugspray as my scum partner.

Funny how you don't actually respond to the insane "coincidence" that you brought Galron's breadcrumb up by "accident" right after they claim, and instead just try to "What would I do that as wolf?" me. I'm not going to engage with this sort of argument because there are unlimited reasons why wolves might act one way or another in different scenerios. Your play could easily be distancing that went overboard when Galron got heat from everyone, and then trying to back off them when they claimed, just to find town doesn't, so you give up and bus.

Also, the coaching you're suggesting, that rarely actually happens in scumchats IME.

The “coincidence” you bring up never happens if I’m scum with Galron: instead I would have posted any critique in the scum PT. I was misyeeted once for this “coaching rarely happens” argument when it was a snap post by the flipped scum, so allow me to retort: there was AMPLE OPPORTUNITY to coach Galron, and he 100% WOULD HAVE LISTENED. I have dealt with enough dumbass scum mates that I would not abide Galron going off-the-rails. And before you try to spin this against me, my suspicion on Galron was WELL BEFORE I would have had room to conclude Galron had to be cut loose.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I fucking DARE you, try and construct a reason I’m scum with Galron that doesn’t get ripped to shreds in less than 5 minutes.

Nah, I'll just bury you on your own play.

Go ahead and try scumfuck, but Mini Normals lack multiball or Serial Killers, so any belief I’m scum has to reconcile the fact that I put Galron in the fucking ground.

Please don't swear at me, this is a game, and that sort of language is unsportsmanlike.

I'm just going to keep burying you based on your play. If you want to try to make a case that you couldn't be teamed with Galron, you can try to do that, and I'll read it. However, that onus is on you.

I’ll swear as much as I fucking like, you little weasel! If you wanna seriously call me unsportsmanlike for calling you a “scum fuck” then that merely magnifies my confidence that you’re scum because that makes it apparent the problem part of that post isn’t that I’m calling you scum!

[Gamma Emerald]

Is Crescent someone who is usually fearkilled or something?

VOTE: Seanzie

Well, hello to you too.

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

This is quite defensive btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

As I called out before: this was never explained and comes across as an early-game distancing voted given the short-lived nature of it and aforementioned lack of reasoning.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna move my vote but also want Galron to actually do something before I do so

Who do you want to move to?

Do you expect Galron to act differently based on a single vote on them?

This feels like Seanzie was nervous at me voting his scummbuddy and wanted to try and draw me towards giving up that vote for another option

[Gamma Emerald]

And I fucking DARE you, try and construct a reason I’m scum with Galron that doesn’t get ripped to shreds in less than 5 minutes.

Nah, I'll just bury you on your own play.

Go ahead and try scumfuck, but Mini Normals lack multiball or Serial Killers, so any belief I’m scum has to reconcile the fact that I put Galron in the fucking ground.

Please don't swear at me, this is a game, and that sort of language is unsportsmanlike.

I'm just going to keep burying you based on your play. If you want to try to make a case that you couldn't be teamed with Galron, you can try to do that, and I'll read it. However, that onus is on you.

I’ll swear as much as I fucking like, you little weasel! If you wanna seriously call me unsportsmanlike for calling you a “scum fuck” then that merely magnifies my confidence that you’re scum because that makes it apparent the problem part of that post isn’t that I’m calling you scum!

The comment about you swearing was more meant as an out-of-game post. I'm asking you human-to-human to not swear at me like that because it feels like you're personally attacking me when you swear at me. I don't know MS's specific forum rules, but most places I play, swearing AT someone like that is against the rules and so I'm just asking you to stop to allow everyone to enjoy the game without having profanities flung at them.

You can call me scum though, that is an in-game thing. You're wrong, and honestly this OMGUS push makes me feel like you're just a caught wolf, but calling me scum is an acceptable thing to do in terms of treating people with respect while playing mafia.

If you seriously consider my moderate swearing a personal attack then I’m scared for how you’ll handle other players. How old even are you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

Nah, you already quoted the post you claimed was an "ever-so-genuine" read from UD about Galron, and it wasn't about Galron. You lied, and you've been caught. Sorry, try again next time.

I already explained why that post from UD related to Galron, so you continuing this line of bullshit indicates you a) are scum who didn’t need to actually process my logic in order to continue blaring how scummy you think I am, b) you deliberately chose to ignore it and instead tout your own arrogant incorrectness or c) you simply lack the reading skills to understand my elaborate thought process.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna move my vote but also want Galron to actually do something before I do so

Who do you want to move to?

Do you expect Galron to act differently based on a single vote on them?

This feels like Seanzie was nervous at me voting his scummbuddy and wanted to try and draw me towards giving up that vote for another option

It's really helpful when you quote the posts that show you trying to move off Galron. Not gonna lie, still waiting for those heavy non-w/w interactions you had with Galron that you want me to clear you two as a team over. Is this one of them?

Not exactly inclined to explain if you’re taking this tone w me

[Gamma Emerald]

I apologize for being rude after you asked me to stop swearing at you tho, I felt like a community that ruled swearing at someone being a personal attack was an oddity and felt like it would be more suitable for you to adjust to the harshness that most mafia games have. I still feel like it’s probably wise to realize most people probably won’t be very accommodating but I’ll try to lessen my edge in the meantime.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

[Gamma Emerald]

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

How about no?
Seanzie’s presentation of that is incredibly disingenuous. I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim but it was actually right after.. If it was a while back I’d understand the thought process that it was setting up Galron’s claim for later, but in proper context it feels like it should be obvious that was my genuine take on what looked like something outlandish. And claiming I was aiming to back off Galron grossly misrepresents my actual movement there, which is to say it suggests there was any movement at all! I didn’t unvote Galron while I was questioning his crumbing tendency as scum, and I in fact doubled down on pushing Galron using meta!

Do not fall for Seanzie’s shallow lies.

[Gamma Emerald]

The Crescent kill is an odd one, tbh; I was expecting to start pressuring her based on the Galron flip and I assume redcardinal was going to do the same,

This wording feels awkward tbh
Wdym you EXPECTED to start pressuring her? Either you were going to or were not going to, why the need to qualify it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Granted when looking for this post, I did see that you actually responded to UDKG's post there saying she was preflipping Galron town, which does actually kind of give me pause on the whole "genuine" thing. I'll think on it.

*frustrated sigh*
I’m a bit miffed you only came around a bit after ISO digging like this but I will admit I made the statement that UD’s read felt genuine not actually knowing what I was saying it for, and when I looked at UD’s posts I got sidetracked from actually finding the post I did find genuine to ask about that other post

[Gamma Emerald]

Mala pretty blatantly sheeped Gamma and that's... Yeah I don't know Mala enough.

She's worth flipping D1 for stuff like that. She's not a bad Town player.

Oh I thought this was gamma

Ignore my last post

Why did you think I posted that thing UD posted?

[Gamma Emerald]

@redcardinal

what’s your view on the game rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that makes some sense
Who did you expect would be killed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Up!

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda surprised no one called out my "hmmm..." post as suspicious.

Anyways, VOTE: Galron. This is a non-RVS vote.

As I called out before: this was never explained and comes across as an early-game distancing voted given the short-lived nature of it and aforementioned lack of reasoning.

It was actually explained once someone asked, thanks though;)

Where was this btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Before I start reading thru D1 closely I’ll establish what pre-flip assumptions I’m making
Gamma Emerald as town: aside from the fact this is from my POV, I think Galron’s frustrations with me were not that of a partner being bussed but that of scum mad they got caught in the low-info early game. I have been that salty scum before, mostly in chat mafia games on Pokémon Showdown back when I played there. My Galron push also only really makes sense from an uninformed POV.
Malakittens as town: she wasn’t as committed to pushing Galron but he tried to shade her with beetlejuicing accusations in the same breath he tried it with me. I also greatly doubt he’s gonna be the type of scum to position buddies in tactical manners like I tend to do based on well, *waves at Galron’s play this game as a whole*. So I wholly believe Galron was in for a penny, in for a pound by shading me and Mala there.
T3 as town: the only point of doubt would be that he came in and kinda felt like he was taking point by opting to push Galron soon after replacing in but his play as a whole feels genuine, it feels along the lines of the sort of moon-logic solving I think embodies his towngame.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway we got like 5-6 pages to yeet Galron in order to get a faster scum yeet than in Tarot uPick

are you like bussing or something

t3 entrance a little bit towny

I've never seen Gamma play with this kind of sustained bloodlust before and it's jarring to me.

Oddly though, it doesn't really scumping me. Gamma kinda doesn't strike me as the kind of scum player to try to murder off someone 3 pages into a game. Feel free to correct me if this is wrong, but this very much feels like town-tunnelvision to me. I constantly make associations the way Gamma currently is when I'm scumpinged on someone as hard as they seem to be on Galron.

had kinda the same thought but i'm less willing to read town into it. was really weirded out by her being so fired up abt galron. well i guess thats just already what youre saying

if you'd like I can dig deep into why this galron yeet is so important for me
that might help you understand my town pov better

ohhh its just like you think theyre not town or whatever. because of the posts

well i guess if youre telling the truth it requires a town pov!

ngl this seems like excessive resistance to just accepting me being town

[Gamma Emerald]

Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

Observe:

Anyway we got like 5-6 pages to yeet Galron in order to get a faster scum yeet than in Tarot uPick

marcistar got caught really fast for being deer-caught-in-the-headlights scum

No I’m just really high on my own supply

I assure you, while there was some underlying emotional scars that needed to be put to bed, my desire to kill Galron was primarily driven by SCIENCE!
But tbf that’s a fair enough explanation

[Gamma Emerald]

why would i have to accept that youre town on d1 of all days

You’re continuing to refuse to accept it even now tho

[Gamma Emerald]

why would i have to accept that youre town on d1 of all days

You’re continuing to refuse to accept it even now tho

yeah i dont think its a sure bet. i dont know why you quoted day 1 posts

Because I was rereading Day 1 and noticed a trend from you of trying to provide some angle where I’m scum here

[Gamma Emerald]

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

you mean like thinking critically about a slot i had at that time no particular reason to believe was town

I find this assertion outlandish. You mean to tell me nothing in my play townpinged you?

[Gamma Emerald]

i mean you have to admit that like there's no reason in particular for anybody to accept that you have to be town in order to make a simple statement "there was some tell that somebody in a different game had regarding galron and now i'm thinking about it this game". the fact that you seem to think so is compelling though. in fact in order to believe you're mafia this game one has to accept that you've made a boatload of simple but brazen statements that come in the form of "this thing is a surefire sign that i'm town" and i think those are generally things made by town. idk if you've shown that you do that as mafia, i don't think many people do

Oh my god bro
Galron WAS NOT in the game that I have been referencing. HOW THICK IS YOUR SKULL DUDE?

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=87040

Read it and weep.

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike your play in this game just on principle atp

[Gamma Emerald]

oh yeah as long as we're here do you remember, like, why you made post 514

Galron claimed he gave content in his first post, I questioned it

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk what you’re trying to say here

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk what you’re trying to say here

"I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim" is you saying you thought you had quoted Galron's first post a while before they had claimed, at least as far as I can tell.

You then say to Schadd that you quoted that post specifically because Galron mentioned content in their first post.

Galron mentioned content in their first post in the same post that they claimed.

How could you think that you quoted Galron's first post a while before Galron claimed when Galron's claim-post is the post that you are saying led you to quote Galron's first post? Like being a little forgetful about something is okay, but that's kind of a weird "Oh let me look into Galron's ISO because of their claim, but let me forget that this was about their claim" moment.

Okay, when I said I thought it came a while back, it was because when you quoted it I thought based on your accusation that it was earlier in the day than right around the time of the claim, as that would’ve facilitated a process of me noting a nothingburger post and deciding to let Galron incorporate it as a crumb, which seemed to be your argument. But upon actually checking the post in question I realized it was not that way, so your argument felt like it lacked legs.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma bby do u want me to sheep u here too

Not yet.
UNVOTE:
I think I’m falling into the RadiantCowbells pit of getting distracted by people pushing me that it hampers my scumhunting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also not that it really changes my read on you, but curious tho why aren’t you even remotely concerned or sus of me buddying the crap out of you?

Well during D1 I was just glad to have the vote, and atp Galron’s wack beetlejuicing accusation feels like good reason to TR you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who do you think is sus rn btw Mala?

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk what you’re trying to say here

"I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim" is you saying you thought you had quoted Galron's first post a while before they had claimed, at least as far as I can tell.

You then say to Schadd that you quoted that post specifically because Galron mentioned content in their first post.

Galron mentioned content in their first post in the same post that they claimed.

How could you think that you quoted Galron's first post a while before Galron claimed when Galron's claim-post is the post that you are saying led you to quote Galron's first post? Like being a little forgetful about something is okay, but that's kind of a weird "Oh let me look into Galron's ISO because of their claim, but let me forget that this was about their claim" moment.

I'm not just "a little" forgetful. Especially early I can just not be feeling the game and make dumb errors like that. That is NAI for me, I am stupid as town too.

This feels like an off-color projection
Like yeah I had a lapse in recall but it was because I assumed Seanzie was trying to make a coherent argument and I filled in a blank with what I thought made it make sense to bring that up against me. I wasn’t “not feeling the game”.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m actually coming around to Seanzie being town here

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think about the Gamma/Seanzie interaction?

seanzie i've felt was town for a long time & it seemed like they had fully natural townie impulses that led them into the argument. gamma i don't know how i end up on; it seems like she is really convinced she ought to seem town from d1, which seems to drive her activity today, but knowing her it's pretty possible she ends up feeling that way while not being town. i still kind of don't get why she brought up the galron post in 514, like theres a baseline weirdness of quoting a specific post that (as far as you know) isn't relevant to what is going on. allow me to demonstrate:

mmmm VOTE: Eiralox

interesting vote ...

anyway it would make sense conceptually that she sees the claim and starts to iso galron about it, but in that case i think she would maybe say something to that effect when questioned about the post instead of just swatting it away as misrepresentative. anyway i don't really lend a lot of credence to this sort of thing in general but thats what im thinking. yes there's a pretty compelling amount of cross talk btwn her and galron that seems a bit unaligned, and i guess she pushed him a lot and stuff

I see. Claiming to be obvious town after doing something is something I’ve done before as scum (in the game with the 3 rooms and 3 scum, I forgot what it was called). I also remember I bussed my partners in that game.

Partition?

[Gamma Emerald]

the entirety of her evidence that the Galron wagon was emotionally driven is three posts made by one player back to back before the game had even reached 100 posts

i thought that was cool

wtf?

[Gamma Emerald]

eiralox when would you say your best solving occurs?

[Gamma Emerald]

The Gamma/Seanzie interactions are a slog and while I think both of them are town I also think that they should both feel bad for making us all read that.

I don't think Gamma's 739...

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

...is a great point, which makes it weird to see KittyTacky cite it as one of the points he agrees with.

Okay that makes some sense
Who did you expect would be killed?

T3. T3 checked the boxes of 1) Reasonably active, 2) Decent posts, and 3) Absolutely nobody expressing any suspicion of them so eliminating them keeps the viable lim pool as wide as possible.

that kill idea tracks
and yeh kittytacky is kinda where my suspicions land because I also think he is trying to argue a mindmeld that doesn't make sense, I think 739 makes sense at least fmpov, but KT citing it as a mindmeld point is not sensible given that.
plus, crescent kill could be one he sees as beneficial, I was TR kittytacky yday, crescent was thinking he could be SvS w galron, there was the seanzie read that kinda supplanted that but I TR Senazie now so the next spot my thoughts fall on the crescent kill is KT
VOTE: kittytacky

I would like more clear stances from schadd rn tho

[Gamma Emerald]

You stoled my hammer, and stealing is crime.
Mafia do crimes.

eehhh...?
I kinda think you not hammering was a bit sus but I was giving botd since I don't think you were on, but if you're posting this I'm gonna withdraw that.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Eiralox when do you become a badger? I seem to be your sole focus today, but I sure don't feel badgered.

once some1 pushes me for bullshit reasons bby

And if no one pushes you, you're just going to slank all game doing nothing?

lol

i guess my reasons for pushing them are all well and good

yeh do park ur vote on me again it was a very cozy hidey hole for u D1

i guess i don't feel like i had a dearth of action on d1. anyway, i would be interested to hear anybody explain why this person isn't extremely wolfy in the same way that galron was extremely wolfy . . .

I would like more clear stances from schadd rn tho

i am pretty comfortable that t3 and seanzie and town on the basis that they've simply kept trying to solve constantly. you i've talked about, cardinal seems to be town, i guess i'd say she's had pretty novel perspectives on the game often. mala seems to be town on the scant basis of galron & something je ne sais quois about how like comfortable she seems to be, but there's also really not a lot of reason to be surprised if she's mafia.

haschel hasn't really made me feel he is town. kiri giri is the same way, i thought the thing in 760 was interesting because it seemed like they were building the case based on some specific way they were remembering the day, which seems like a town thing except that there's not a lot left that's compelling there. enchant may be a wolf. i don't know how i land on kitty; i had the same thought that i did for gamma which is that their push on galron seemed too strong from the basis they had in a way that seemed like a bus. i thought 593 was interesting; i believe the statement in it is more or less false but if you were mafia noticing that connection maybe you'd want to say more to push against it. i guess i am fine with them being on this side of the poe line. and then i think eiralox is a wolf

why is your thought process "this is a stronger push than I think is sensible so it's probably a bus"? In my case I kinda just adopted playstyle traits of players I've seen lead elims in the past because my charisma when I'm actually trying to lead on my own never seems sufficient, I've legit led elims on scum before but those were crapshoot EoD flashwagons, at least for the specific instances I'm remembering.

[Gamma Emerald]

The thing in my case was I didn’t “know”, but I wanted to find out if my suspicions were right.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lock town:
Gamma Emerald
Malakittens

Solid town:
T3
Seanzie

Decently town?:
Eiralox

actively sus:
KittyTacky

remainder:
redcardinal
schadd_
Enchant
UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri
Haschel Cedricson

gonna snapshot my thoughts as of now

[Gamma Emerald]

@Eiralox

y r u still voting sean?

[Gamma Emerald]

ah i'm guessing ur one of those folk love putting words in ppls mouths and thinking u know why they do things better then they do. at this point i dont care if ur town im voting u cos u annoy me.

kay this is a bit jank

[Gamma Emerald]

he was vibing town to me for a bit but not strongly enough to fight this
so I'll just sit here with mah popcorn

[Gamma Emerald]

Lock town:
Gamma Emerald
Malakittens

Solid town:
T3
Seanzie

Decently town?:
Eiralox

actively sus:
KittyTacky

remainder:
redcardinal
schadd_
Enchant
UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri
Haschel Cedricson

gonna snapshot my thoughts as of now

also I kinda feel like revising this because I don't feel like there's any immediate issue I have with UD, and hash shell seems kinda genuine about the kill reaction, so put them with eiralox

[Gamma Emerald]

where did you ask that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mentioned it

five times

and yet Eiralox makes no mention of it. If Eiralox was actually reading through the game and scumhunting, then they would have answered.

I mean he changed his vote after I commented but you do have a point

@eiralox

could you actually explain your read progression on Sean please?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Kitty

why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah eiralox kinda vibes like he's similar to me in some of his townplay

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron definitely let something slip setup-wise tbf

[Gamma Emerald]

-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda wanna vote red, his sus pool feels wack

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t like you calling Mala a “spook” whatever that means, also think Eiralox and KT are very low-risk targets.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you take issue with my reasons to TR Mala?

[Gamma Emerald]

also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?

I think you should be probing other people rather than just sussing easy options.

[Gamma Emerald]

like some of the early questions from haschel towards galron feel like they could be scum trying to get other scum to be more involved. something tells me if galron had said something about how seanzie was scummy haschel would have backed off, but the pressure turns into a bus at a certain point and reading back it feels a little awkward

I could see this

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

kt's claim reads fake to me my vote stays where it is

I have never seen a Town Roleblocker, and I have seen many Mafia Roleblockers.

this feels like a weird thought
town roleblocker is absolutely possible, why would your own history with it matter? this feels like gambler's fallacy

also pardon me if I'm in a bit of a sour mood rn

[Gamma Emerald]

First four pages and my main takeaway is that Seanzie is obvtown

[Gamma Emerald]

you weren't in the game during the first 4 pages so how could Sean have done anything to attempt to convince you specifically that he's town?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking about the Crescent kill more I think it implicates Eiralox somewhat
Seanzie brought up the fearkill idea and I wrote it off but Eiralox would maybe have reason to do so
It depends on how much of a force Crescent was in mini 2273

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking about the Crescent kill more I think it implicates Eiralox somewhat
Seanzie brought up the fearkill idea and I wrote it off but Eiralox would maybe have reason to do so
It depends on how much of a force Crescent was in mini 2273

On skimming Crescent's ISO in mini 2273 Eiralox fearkilling her feels like a very probable occurence
I'd vote eiralox but I believe he's at E-2 with threat of a hammer from someone else so instead I'll

intent to E-1 Eiralox

.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah uh, don't volunteer to be roleblocked?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I feel good townbinning Enchant here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tone!
You feel a bit like you did in Terminator.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually have a half-decent Enchant read rate so I’m willing to pull BoP on that one

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 2.5

Eiralox (4)

- schadd_, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri, T3, redcardinal

KittyTacky (2)

- Seanzie, Gamma Emerald

Klick (1)

- Haschel Cedricson

redcardinal (1)

- Enchant

Not Voting (3)

- Eiralox, KittyTacky, Malakittens

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-08 12:11:33).

Mod notes

Please let me know if you notice any errors!

Eiralox is at E-2.

You still have UD in the VC

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: schadd
Applying the lesson I learned in mini 2276

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe I am letting myself be duped but this reread by Eira feels like town thoughtspew
It doesn’t feel like there’s any dedication or intent to a narrative, it’s just what comes up as potentially relevant. As a result there’s stuff that may not pan out, like some of the questions I ask as town.

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also I want literally everyone's take on galron before we even get within one vote of it happening

enchant ; )

ill be active in like 1-3 hrs this time we rollin'

I was mostly sheeping Mala with regards to Galron but I also didn't like his string of posts and repeated "Lol"s when pushed.

Why Mala specifically?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok like i think im worn for now but ill continue this.

what i'll say is despite many things i'll place schadd_ above two others for now, cos my hunch rn for the scum team is redcardinal/klick.

but...... like im only at post 224 atm so honest truth this is subject to change. i have other avenues but rn this is the pairing my instincts are leading me to. and this pairing is really something I want Haschel to weigh in on cos like haschel shading is interwined with eira shading among both redcardinal and klick slots as far as im seeing it.

What are you seeing from UD/Klick rn that makes you think this?

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I'm starting to not care about gamma's tr on enchant tbh

Okay?

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this game is getting into the hell state where activity is increasing and i can’t bring myself to engage with the posts

mild mood
doesn't help that I have very little confidence that were heading on the right direction no matter what the vote seems to be shaping up to be

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So I'm on page 10 and I'm getting the sense that Galron is the only serious option for most if not all of D1?

So the main question is 'what was the scumteam doing while Galron was dying'

good question

tbf I think I'm getting some good vibes from kittytacky recently (unrelated to the quoted post)

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crescent looking real bad if galron flips scum

Catching up now. I doubt Galron gets eliminated here D1 if they're scum.

not without your help

what are your thoughts on crescent haschel?

kittytacky can I get some insight into your reads beyond galron?

Scummy string of posts

I agree with this with hindsight of Galron being scum
Despite having a vote on the Galron wagon a lot of redcardinal's posting here reads as an attempt to quietly start something else up

some stuff confuses me (notably the calling crescent bad from a galron scumflip in light of the NK on her) but this feels like a good shout

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Gamma Emerald
Malakittens
T3

Seanzie
Enchant
Klick

KittyTacky
Eiralox

Haschel Cedricson

schadd_
redcardinal

this is kinda how I feel rn
idea for the groupings is lock town, solid town, okay town, meh, scum

VOTE: redcard

[Gamma Emerald]

you messed up the vote tag

Who is this @

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Hey uhhh if I die, probably refer back to that last solve I posted

[Gamma Emerald]

Eiralox’s reaction to the supposed hammer is v likely town
Get off of him.

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I still think RC is just misguided town with a weird playstyle and not actually scum. I'd rather Eira.

>:(

[Gamma Emerald]

wooo
My other scumreads weren’t great but at least I nailed Galron!

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda felt T3’s entry could be scum but I didn’t feel like the rest of his play was weak enough to voice that concern

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I have died N2 in three games in a row just about

[Gamma Emerald]

I always try to send them almost all at once which does take several tabs being open but it’s worth it

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel kinda disres that my read on Mala got completely ignored

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Oh I missed that sorry
I don’t read very closely once I exit a game

[Gamma Emerald]

Between this and the Friends and Enemies game I’m clearly very good at softing info I don’t have just by playing my normal game

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lol yeah things worked out better than the other game this time
ofc there also wasn't someone replacing in to immediately quickhammer