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My big reads are on Klick, Mastina, Petapan and RC.
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Why don't you guess? It's 3 townreads, 1 scumread, 1 townlean and 1 scumlean.In post 142, Ydrasse wrote:
May I beg of thee a crumb of alignment upon those readsIn post 139, furtiveglance wrote:My big reads are on Klick, Mastina, Petapan and RC.
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You're not pouring the coffee then. That's usually what employees do
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Why uninterested? I literally made it so easy for you. Also, you can only be a LEAN, since I said you were a smaller read.In post 145, Ydrasse wrote:I hope i’m the scumread
I’m uninterested in the guessing game though as much as it would give back regarding reads-
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Yeah you're close, Petapan and Ausuka are the bakas.In post 152, Ydrasse wrote:WHATEVER
the town ones are mastina klick at minimum
you probably have 1-2 mafia between me and peta
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You disagree with everything then. Unless you're scumreading yourself.....
I know I just showed up but I'm going on my lunch break. Someone cover for me-
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Does the ratio of town/mafia not matter then?In post 164, Something_Smart wrote:Also, I did confirm with the mod that there is guaranteed to be at least one VT in the game. I assume there is also more than one VT in the game, and guessing the ratio of PR to VT is probably pretty important. I was estimating somewhere around 2:1 to 1:1-- having too many VT's makes it trivially easy to keep productivity up. Since we need to average at least 75%, if we assume 2:1 PR:VT, the PR's would need to average around 62%, which honestly isn't bad.
The tricky thing is that hitting way too high is also pretty devastating for town because we lose a lot of power. So we should probably aim for no higher than 85%, which would require a PR average of 78%.
So my (almost) completely uninformed take is that most PR's should be producing between 62-78%. Since mastina is committed to 0 and is probably roughly 10% of town's PR's, shift that up 10% for today, so 68-86%.
Also, what if I'm a super important PR (Power Role) that needs to use at least 100% every night?-
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Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.In post 39, Lukewarm wrote:
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.-
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So you like inspecting?In post 191, Uncrowned wrote:aorn the undisputable best doggos: uncrowned & RC
the most likely good doggo: andre
the questionable good doggos: peta, titan, mastina, ydrasse
the two fs (furtive and fire for those unawarea) and ausuka require furtherinspection
i can also be convinced of perhaps joining the charge onto one Ircher if they do not have a sufficient defense and people are not enlightened enough to join me on my crusade against ausuka
that is all for now-
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No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!In post 192, Titus wrote:
Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?In post 189, furtiveglance wrote:
Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.In post 39, Lukewarm wrote:
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.-
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Sus, could be....a bus
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Why, do I remind you of me in The Turing Test?
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And your pocket feels comfortable and loose.In post 213, fireisredsir wrote:yea, you feel very comfortable and loose in the same way
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Just to piggyback on this and really put the boot in, I never have this kind of thought. Something is either town or scum for me or neither, not....'something'. At the time I interpreted it as shade, like a scumping.In post 220, Uncrowned wrote:
yo so are you going to end up circling back to this or was this just busywork to look like you're doing something?In post 86, fireisredsir wrote:
i feel like this post is actually AI, believe it or notIn post 73, petapan wrote:
yes absolutely what are you going to do about itIn post 63, Uncrowned wrote:you wouldn't by any chance be trying to flatter me would you, peta? you know I love being called town you sly devil
i haven't decided which direction yet though
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Are you saying I successfully caused a distraction?In post 221, Titus wrote:I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.-
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Is it a mood or a vibe? I can never tell.....In post 248, Ydrasse wrote:Being town is cute-
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I didn't like it, based on RC's posting at the time.
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Totally real ability moment
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What do you think it is?In post 273, Klick wrote:Tangentially, I'd be -very- surprised if the setup were 16:5-
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The productivity mechanic implies town has a lot of power.In post 280, Klick wrote:I think you can probably assess this setup's balance as though there is little town power at all
16:5 mountainous or close to it would be ridiculously scumsided
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I'm not a stoner, no. Are you?In post 327, Vivax wrote:
Are you a stoner?In post 319, furtiveglance wrote:I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.
Gotta light it if you wanna smoke it-
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I don't think I'm doing mental gymnastics when I say that I originally assumed 16/5, but now that Ircher assumed 17/4 without acknowledging that they were assuming that, I am now considering a 4-player mafia team with Ircher as one of those.In post 346, Something_Smart wrote:
I guess. But it seems like it probably didn't occur to Ircher that it's not known how many scum there are. So if that didn't occur to him, and heIn post 342, Titus wrote:Could be. IIoA doesn't have to be true. The argument is pedantic though as we can't find out exactly how many scum there are until much laterdidknow how many scum there were, he would have to use the correct number. The only time he would use the wrong number is if he were deliberately trying to appear like he didn't know how many scum there were, but I don't see why he would do that because it could still look like a scumslip.
I think the discussion is worthwhile because it's about probability. If we agree there are probably 5 scum, that makes Ircher look a lot better than if we agree there are probably 4. Though, I would buy that it's outstayed its welcome.-
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In post 392, Vivax wrote:
I still believe in the Ircher vote, guilty until proven innocent for me. Can't wait for them to come on and explain.In post 360, Lukewarm wrote:
I am confused.In post 290, Vivax wrote:I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher.
What part of my mechanics posting on page 2 was related to Ircher? (outside of my single line question to him)
I mean, I did chide Mastina about stating her productivity, and say other people should not do that. And then, cleared up a misunderstanding that Roden had.
But how or why are you drawing lines between those comments and Ircher? They are completely unrelated in my mind, with no bearing on one another, so like I said. I am confused.
How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.
VOTE: petapan
For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.-
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My bad, this is what I said: I still believe in the Ircher vote, guilty until proven innocent for me. Can't wait for them to come on and explain.In post 397, furtiveglance wrote:In post 392, Vivax wrote:In post 360, Lukewarm wrote:
I am confused.In post 290, Vivax wrote:I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher.
What part of my mechanics posting on page 2 was related to Ircher? (outside of my single line question to him)
I mean, I did chide Mastina about stating her productivity, and say other people should not do that. And then, cleared up a misunderstanding that Roden had.
But how or why are you drawing lines between those comments and Ircher? They are completely unrelated in my mind, with no bearing on one another, so like I said. I am confused.
How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.
VOTE: petapan
For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.-
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Can you write a song and upload it to YT?In post 404, Nero Cain wrote:
I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YOU!In post 401, furtiveglance wrote:Nero any words for us?-
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Turing Test. Town. I misread weird posting. Hard to understand.In post 445, Uncrowned wrote:who has experience playing with Mr vivax-
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I thought I'd do a 'big' post since people have expressed concern for game length. You don't have to read the spoilered bits if you don't want! In this 'readslist', I will give my input into how 'sus' selected players are as we build and reshape this new social hierarchy.
Disclaimer: some of this relies on meta. I've just fully embraced meta now. Sorry BBT and my former self.
Uncrowned:Spoiler:
Petapan:Spoiler:
Titus:Spoiler:
Nero Cain:Spoiler:
Vivax:Spoiler:
RC:Spoiler:
Roden:Spoiler:
Ircher:Spoiler:-
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For a second I thought you meant this line was fire from me. Never mind, I forgot Fire and I needed some kind of 'inspection'.In post 559, Uncrowned wrote:
fireIn post 551, furtiveglance wrote:^I thought these were the kind of 'main characters' lately, let me know who else you want me to feature!
Background to this one is Turing Test obviously. If you go and read the dead thread, I was convinced that Fire was the last mafia until the last day, and so was at least one other player. Initially in this game I kind of scumleaned Fire at first, for the comment about posting too much, I've never really cared about post count. You mentioned 86 already, in hindsight idk how scummy it is. Fire is quite a stream of consciousness-y player as town. 208 is a bit early to townread me, I'm not sure I really had memed as much as Turing Test at that point. Actually there are a few posts. 240 one of the most towny posts I can point to.
Basically to conclude, Fire isn't quite a strong townread yet but could become one with time. Not a major suspect either. I suppose this is more a townlean than a null, I hate nulling players.-
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Too much math now.In post 624, Something_Smart wrote:
I think it does have a basis in psychology. If you tell someone to come up with 50 random coinflip results, most people will have too few long streaks of one result, because outliers like that don't feel as "random". Similarly, if scum pick a "random" group of 3 people, they're more likely to mix in alignments proportionally than if it were actually random.In post 613, jjh927 wrote:Also it's a statistical "rule" that I don't think ever held any meaningful basis, and many scum players who are aware of it have been known to purposefully violate it anyway because it throws people off who follow it religiously
But yes, it doesn't work on people who are aware of it, and it is easy to manipulate. (I've done so as scum plenty of times.)-
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I've become so AmericanisedIn post 625, furtiveglance wrote:
Too much math now.In post 624, Something_Smart wrote:
I think it does have a basis in psychology. If you tell someone to come up with 50 random coinflip results, most people will have too few long streaks of one result, because outliers like that don't feel as "random". Similarly, if scum pick a "random" group of 3 people, they're more likely to mix in alignments proportionally than if it were actually random.In post 613, jjh927 wrote:Also it's a statistical "rule" that I don't think ever held any meaningful basis, and many scum players who are aware of it have been known to purposefully violate it anyway because it throws people off who follow it religiously
But yes, it doesn't work on people who are aware of it, and it is easy to manipulate. (I've done so as scum plenty of times.)-
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Hey, you too?In post 632, Nero Cain wrote:Does anyone besides me think its kinda odd that JJ has me so low in his town list but he's literally sheeping half my scum reads? Prob not but it felt sorta odd to me, idk.-
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Ircher and VivaxIn post 634, jjh927 wrote:Okay, question for furtiveglance and specifically NOT Nero then
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I'd accept it if you explained any of your own working, a 'gut take' is surely a simple read on what's happening. I'm either scum pushing town!Ircher, or town pushing town, or town pushing scum. Unless you want to argue that we're both scum?In post 638, jjh927 wrote:I'll wait for nero to confirm vivax was who he was concerned about because I have no clue who he scumreads aside from Ircher
Follow-up though
Ircher is widely scumread. It seems bizarre to me that one of your thoughts upon reading my readslist is such an absurdly Nero-centric take
Is vivax such a wildly uncommon scumread at this point in the game that something weird is going on if I scumread these 2 people, and also 2 other people, and have Nero low down in my town pile?
You have claimed the same thought process as Nero here. It makes sense as to why it would come from him but since you've agreed with him I'd like you to be the one to explain your working-
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Nero shared more scumreads with you than I did, yes. But Ircher is more than just one read - they're the main wagon. So I'm still failing to see how your gut is reading the main event of this game so far, the voting.In post 647, jjh927 wrote:
So, does that mean you think Nero has articulated the reads better and it's weird that I am just following them, or is your point entirely designed to try and put things back on me to distract from how your reasoning in agreeing with Nero didn't make sense from your point of view?In post 644, furtiveglance wrote:
I'd accept it if you explained any of your own working, a 'gut take' is surely a simple read on what's happening. I'm either scum pushing town!Ircher, or town pushing town, or town pushing scum. Unless you want to argue that we're both scum?In post 638, jjh927 wrote:I'll wait for nero to confirm vivax was who he was concerned about because I have no clue who he scumreads aside from Ircher
Follow-up though
Ircher is widely scumread. It seems bizarre to me that one of your thoughts upon reading my readslist is such an absurdly Nero-centric take
Is vivax such a wildly uncommon scumread at this point in the game that something weird is going on if I scumread these 2 people, and also 2 other people, and have Nero low down in my town pile?
You have claimed the same thought process as Nero here. It makes sense as to why it would come from him but since you've agreed with him I'd like you to be the one to explain your working
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Yes. I only noticed Nero's thing when he said it, I saw my name at the bottom with Ircher and also found it weird.In post 651, fireisredsir wrote:i think jjh thought furtive meant in 633 that furtive also thought jjh was copying nero's reads while scumreading nero
however i think furtive was saying "you too?" as in he thought that jjh was copying furtive's reads while also scumreading furtive-
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Thanks for the out fire, you saved me from drowningIn post 654, jjh927 wrote:If I was literally just misinterpreting you this whole time why didn't you correct this misinterpretation until someone gave you an out
I think I've been pretty explicit about how I have been interpreting it-
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I was asking how your reads made sense, not defending myself. I still don't know what line you're pushing with this post. You can just call me scum no matter what I say if you want, and never explain your reads, I'm sure it'll go down well.In post 662, jjh927 wrote:I mean, this aside, it's still pretty scummy that you would immediately jump in and try to defend yourself with "But I can't be scum because I scumread Ircher" who might not even actually be scum-
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What do you think the gamestate is? Is Ircher being miseliminated or bussed? You're trying to have it both ways.In post 668, furtiveglance wrote:
I was asking how your reads made sense, not defending myself. I still don't know what line you're pushing with this post. You can just call me scum no matter what I say if you want, and never explain your reads, I'm sure it'll go down well.In post 662, jjh927 wrote:I mean, this aside, it's still pretty scummy that you would immediately jump in and try to defend yourself with "But I can't be scum because I scumread Ircher" who might not even actually be scum-
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And if you just scumread me regardless of Ircher or anyone else, I deserve to know why.In post 669, furtiveglance wrote:
What do you think the gamestate is? Is Ircher being miseliminated or bussed? You're trying to have it both ways.In post 668, furtiveglance wrote:
I was asking how your reads made sense, not defending myself. I still don't know what line you're pushing with this post. You can just call me scum no matter what I say if you want, and never explain your reads, I'm sure it'll go down well.In post 662, jjh927 wrote:I mean, this aside, it's still pretty scummy that you would immediately jump in and try to defend yourself with "But I can't be scum because I scumread Ircher" who might not even actually be scum-
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And do you know why you scumread me? I'm 2nd last, out of 21.In post 671, jjh927 wrote:
I don't think you're getting that the answer is "I don't know yet"In post 669, furtiveglance wrote:
What do you think the gamestate is? Is Ircher being miseliminated or bussed? You're trying to have it both ways.In post 668, furtiveglance wrote:
I was asking how your reads made sense, not defending myself. I still don't know what line you're pushing with this post. You can just call me scum no matter what I say if you want, and never explain your reads, I'm sure it'll go down well.In post 662, jjh927 wrote:I mean, this aside, it's still pretty scummy that you would immediately jump in and try to defend yourself with "But I can't be scum because I scumread Ircher" who might not even actually be scum-
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Ok. Thanks for actually answering my question. If you're talking about 120, 134, 143, it's deliberately performative. I wanted to interact with someone instead of just dumping some earlyIn post 673, jjh927 wrote:My gut reaction is that you have placed much higher value on broadcasting the fact that you have reads and making sure everyone else knows you have reads than I would expect of townreadsdown, which I had formed fromreadingthe game forreads. Helped me form areadon Ydrasse, which is anotherreadI now have. Hence the 'coy' little game aroundreads. Since 153, I've been really clear. The thing is, if youread550, my big list ofreads, including the spoilered text, you'll understand why I have thereadsI have. Did you?
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This is definitely a hot scenario, and I wish I had a cool flavour name like 'Inspector Clipboard', but alas it wasn't to be.In post 674, jjh927 wrote:You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.
I have some questions for you (which I think you will struggle to answer, so partly rhetorical):
What is missing from my ISO (non-reads content) that other players have?
When have I drawn attention to my reads as a defence this game?
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1. Exactly, my point is proven.In post 680, jjh927 wrote:
1: That's a bit of an arbitrary one. Can't really answer that in a meaningful way.In post 678, furtiveglance wrote:
This is definitely a hot scenario, and I wish I had a cool flavour name like 'Inspector Clipboard', but alas it wasn't to be.In post 674, jjh927 wrote:You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.
I have some questions for you (which I think you will struggle to answer, so partly rhetorical):
What is missing from my ISO (non-reads content) that other players have?
When have I drawn attention to my reads as a defence this game?
How does one usually gain the information with which one eliminates scum?
2. It's kinda my main take out of that argument we had where we both missed each other's points. Your scumread of Ircher is at the crux of that argument no matter how your shake it.
3. We're doing it right now. This kind of conversation. Observation is no replacement for getting stuck right into it
2. I already stated this and it looks like you disagreed rather than missing it: I was not using scumreading Ircher to defend myself, I was questioning (not even attacking) your confused gut (which is a metaphor for a strong, powerful feeling).
3. Good point - arguing does have value in mafia, but so does making clear where your thoughts are. Maybe your philosophy is that reads are redundant, mine isn't.-
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Ok, this is slightly confusing.In post 683, jjh927 wrote:Ah, so to clarify, my "gut" is a remnant of a very lazy playstyle I used for a period that I've integrated into my current playstyle. It's my thoughts on the matter without tangibly putting those thoughts into words. Near enough my subconscious