Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Abnegation]

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

[Abnegation]

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

That definitely sounds like a role which exists and makes total sense and there is nothing strange here at all. Story checks out.

yep, definitely my real role!

[Abnegation]

I'm going to have to figure out what this nightmare thing is at some point, aren't I? Sigh.

i wasn't in the original so i have no clue what's going on mech-wise.

[Abnegation]

I'm going to have to figure out what this nightmare thing is at some point, aren't I? Sigh.

i wasn't in the original so i have no clue what's going on mech-wise.

Um okay now that mod clarified I think I can give an ELI5 style explanation (since I played last game):
Every day we nominate players which we trust to run the "nightmare". The nightmare is basically a PT that has extra powers, and lasts for one night. So for example, they can choose to collectively vig someone, or to grant a one-shot invention to someone.
The Nightmare PT is only open for one night though, and then we get a new vote the following day for which players we want on it.

oh ok, that makes sense. thanks!

[Abnegation]

lol you have reads? how does anyone have reads at this point?
why would you assume there is a rationale behind my claim? what reason do you have to think that?

[Abnegation]

my guess is it's a joke

If you ask a scum mason if they're a scum mason they have to tell you, it's like the law

yeah exactly, i'm just a law-abiding scum mason.

[Abnegation]

lol you have reads? how does anyone have reads at this point?
why would you assume there is a rationale behind my claim? what reason do you have to think that?

I dunno, I just saw your post and started working me old brain very hard trying to figure out if it's a real claim or a softclaim or what. But I guess the simplest explanation is it's just a random page 1 claim, I guess.
And yeah I don't have SOLID READS, but I do have vibes. And if we don't start voting people and disucssing vibes and reads we're not gonna get anywhere. I will UNVOTE: though, because I really don't have a scum read on you rn. Just null af.
But seriously we need to have some real content and more people here.

it's page 2, 6 of us have checked in, might take some time.

[Abnegation]

I was in the middle of pushing Doctor Drew when suddenly D1 was ended fue to scum powers, and then the game was compromised D2.
So now I finally get to VOTE: Doctor Drew

This is a scum claim, I was town in the OG game.

But you will be dealt with later.

VOTE: python

Kill them before someone brings up mech talk and maths.

You're too late, we already meched on why giving Innocent Child inventions with the Normal Invention is optimal

wait, innocent child is only normal for town. so would an innocent child invention even work on scum? or how does that work?

[Abnegation]

(sorry drew)

[Abnegation]

@mod

- how exactly does a player get confirmed to run the nightmare? does that just mean they have proposal votes from >50% of the living players?

[Abnegation]

A player is confirmed if they are in a proposal that hits majority. In the event that nobody hits majority, the proposal with the most votes will be automatically accepted. In the event no proposal has any votes, or there is a tie, random.org will decide the Runners.

thanks, makes sense.

[Abnegation]

i'm actually feeling rat is towny.
as for the inquiry, i'm guessing miller would be considered a faction-specific role and therefore off-limits. and yeah, kind of a waste of the nightmare.

[Abnegation]

oh god, how far is this madness going to spread?

[Abnegation]

oh god, how far is this madness going to spread?

Oh hush Area 51

careful, or i will have the aliens abduct you.

[Abnegation]

oh god, how far is this madness going to spread?

Oh hush Area 51

careful, or i will have the aliens abduct you.

That is a 3p claim.

VOTE: Abnegation

it's actually a scumclaim, aliens are groupscum.

[Abnegation]

For D1 at least, is there any reason the nightmare SHOULDN'T include everyone?

HURT: All of the above (Korina please don't make me type it all out

Reposting since everyone seems to have ignored it

i don't mind that idea, i'm just not all that well-versed in the mech to point out any issues with it.

p-edit: just in case you're being serious, no it is not cyberbullying. you're good lol.

[Abnegation]

i will type the entire playerlist out of masochism.

HURT: dragoneater70, biancospino, ranger, radical rat, enchant, morning tweet, doctor drew, titus, flea the magician, save the dragons, whemestar, usespython, rautherdir, kyoko kirigiri, merlyn, camelcasedsnivy, abnegation, sheepsaysmeep, aureal

[Abnegation]

hmm. i'm going to say suggesting an encryptor like that leans town. that sounds like the kind of, uhh,

nightmare

, that i wouldn't want to inflict on myself. idk, maybe some of y'all are fine without daytalk. i wouldn't be lol.

[Abnegation]

i'm also going to bed, here's hoping i don't wake up to 20 more pages.

[Abnegation]

ok I read the game

dragoneater70 - originally I found them the scummiest tonally. they felt very performative/LAMIST, such as with lots of literally saying "let's do something game-advancing now" (no one says that when doing something game-advancing now). but then someone said this felt like town!dragoneater from last game. and I sort of just believe that maybe that way of writing that I found scummy is playstyle. so now I no longer want to push it and it's a potential townread pending me one day skimming the game in question

ranger - I think they are lightly villagery. their first readlists aligned a lotttt with what I was feeling in early pages.

radical rat - I like their push that rauth is too obsessed with finding the IC alternatives. like it is a just a good push. it actually makes me feel more RR!town than rauth!wolf; im slightly skeptical of it as making rauth wolf because it's almost too egregious (python saying "I'll policy the next person to talk about mech" and then rauth keeps talking about mech feels like something wolves might want to avoid ??)

usespython - when I was just lurking they felt like 99% obvtown on vibes. when I read through it's more meh but still prob just town

morning tweet - gut says slightly scummy. I just thought her takes were mid in 150 I was not feeling them lol

Titus - if I had to force a read their vibe fits with what I understand of their town meta lol but meh

Kyoko - if this is their first time trying the weird scum meter thing (if I didnt misunderstand) then I'd honestly give a couple town points lmao. otherwise very meh

snivy - feels pretty wolf. in general their early posting was the most stiff. treatment of ranger feels like buddying ("wow you're doing readlists every post?! that's so game-advancing and towny" for something I think is fairly clearly predetermined playstyle).

abnegation - my gut says this is what I think newer-player villagers look like

Abnegation is an alt, not new....if that changes things for you.

oh wow thanks yeah it is helpful lol

Without saying who it is, I will say that they have a style that kinda seems like you described though.....they generally are a bit non-commitive and second guessing themselves as town(I know who it is, but don't want to out them without their permission).

i'm a public alt, my main is in my sig.
i swear i will actually read this game at some point tonight.

[Abnegation]

ok I read the game

dragoneater70 - originally I found them the scummiest tonally. they felt very performative/LAMIST, such as with lots of literally saying "let's do something game-advancing now" (no one says that when doing something game-advancing now). but then someone said this felt like town!dragoneater from last game. and I sort of just believe that maybe that way of writing that I found scummy is playstyle. so now I no longer want to push it and it's a potential townread pending me one day skimming the game in question

ranger - I think they are lightly villagery. their first readlists aligned a lotttt with what I was feeling in early pages.

radical rat - I like their push that rauth is too obsessed with finding the IC alternatives. like it is a just a good push. it actually makes me feel more RR!town than rauth!wolf; im slightly skeptical of it as making rauth wolf because it's almost too egregious (python saying "I'll policy the next person to talk about mech" and then rauth keeps talking about mech feels like something wolves might want to avoid ??)

usespython - when I was just lurking they felt like 99% obvtown on vibes. when I read through it's more meh but still prob just town

morning tweet - gut says slightly scummy. I just thought her takes were mid in 150 I was not feeling them lol

Titus - if I had to force a read their vibe fits with what I understand of their town meta lol but meh

Kyoko - if this is their first time trying the weird scum meter thing (if I didnt misunderstand) then I'd honestly give a couple town points lmao. otherwise very meh

snivy - feels pretty wolf. in general their early posting was the most stiff. treatment of ranger feels like buddying ("wow you're doing readlists every post?! that's so game-advancing and towny" for something I think is fairly clearly predetermined playstyle).

abnegation - my gut says this is what I think newer-player villagers look like

Abnegation is an alt, not new....if that changes things for you.

oh wow thanks yeah it is helpful lol

Without saying who it is, I will say that they have a style that kinda seems like you described though.....they generally are a bit non-commitive and second guessing themselves as town(I know who it is, but don't want to out them without their permission).

i'm a public alt, my main is in my sig.
i swear i will actually read this game at some point tonight.

And here I am trying to be a gentleman to try and protect your identity Ashwagandha

thanks for the unintentional reminder to take my ashwagandha supplements that i have been forgetting to take for several months.
ok i go read now.

[Abnegation]

ok I read the game

dragoneater70 - originally I found them the scummiest tonally. they felt very performative/LAMIST, such as with lots of literally saying "let's do something game-advancing now" (no one says that when doing something game-advancing now). but then someone said this felt like town!dragoneater from last game. and I sort of just believe that maybe that way of writing that I found scummy is playstyle. so now I no longer want to push it and it's a potential townread pending me one day skimming the game in question

idk who said it feels like town!dragoneater from a previous game but I'll second the fact that this is just how he talks

think that was kirigiri, and i will third the fact that this is just how he talks.

[Abnegation]

how many votes does rauth wagon even have?

[Abnegation]

i think i'll sheep this.

VOTE: rautherdir

[Abnegation]

my brain is fried and i'm out for the night after this but i'm just going to note that something feels a little off with drew's posting. i will not elaborate at this point because i'm not sure if stating the reasons would muddle things, but i've got my eye on that slot. if he is scum, though, i would be surprised if he bet his life on scum!camel being town.

[Abnegation]

also, rat and python are people who i will probably just throw in the townbin and not look back.

[Abnegation]

A player is confirmed if they are in a proposal that hits majority. In the event that nobody hits majority, the proposal with the most votes will be automatically accepted. In the event no proposal has any votes, or there is a tie, random.org will decide the Runners.

[Abnegation]

HEAL: previous proposal

HURT: abnegation, aureal, radical rat, usespython, kyoko kirigiri, dragoneater70, ranger

basically python's proposal except titus didn't want in so i changed it. not sure about every name on this list but i'll go with it for now.

[Abnegation]

i think it means we can add a player to the nightmare even after the people in the initial proposal have been confirmed.

it took me that long to altslip?

[Abnegation]

i think it means we can add a player to the nightmare even after the people in the initial proposal have been confirmed.

it took me that long to altslip?

17 pages might be the longest i've made it.

[Abnegation]

HEAL: previous proposal

HURT: abnegation, aureal, radical rat, usespython, kyoko kirigiri, dragoneater70, ranger

basically python's proposal except titus didn't want in so i changed it. not sure about every name on this list but i'll go with it for now.

to be fair if we're trying to go for a full town nightmare then town!Titus not wanting in due to being V/LA doesn't actually matter since she'd just be there as a body to get enough people for the BP IC invention

true, true. i do like that proposal better if we're just handing out bp ic inventions.

HEAL: previous proposal

HURT: abnegation, aureal, radical rat, usespython, kyoko kirigiri, dragoneater70, titus

[Abnegation]

Honestly I can probably guess the answer to that question of mine though since it uh. Removes any balance concerns about if there is a strategy that works regardless of if people are doing town hunting or not. Best we can do with Inquiry to confirm alignments without any extra information (like validating a claim someone made), is a public gunsmith effectively, which... isn't especially useful.

The latter, if interfered with, also gives us some information about the players in the nightmare as well especially.

These posts kinda feel to me like scum!Rauther from Mini 2297 (AKA Conception). @Abnegation, Drew, Bianco, do you agree?

i'd have to go read and i don't feel like going back through conception right now. rauther does seem similar to conception in general, but i wrote that off as just their playstyle.
what about those posts specifically reminds you of it?

also, rat and python are people who i will probably just throw in the townbin and not look back.

Who are your scumreads?

i don't exactly

scumread

anyone, but rauther is a bit sussy for the bp ic thing that rat called him out for and drew is a bit sussy because reasons. i'm going to sit on that read and see how things progress though.
if we're going into "you get 1/28 of a scumpoint" territory, whemestar and save the dragons feel slightly shady by vibes.

[Abnegation]

python/bianco/(rauth maybe) is my scumread list

biggest townread is ranger for me, wonder what they think about 80% of these posts not advancing the game whatsoever

also waitwaitwait i can vote for multiple proposals at once? VC says I'm voting for bianco's proposal and my own

Why do you see Python as scummy? I think Python is the towniest player so far. Agree on Bianco and Rauth.

Python at the beginning didn't give me any reads, and then proceeded to go into that 8 page long discussion on inventions, while claiming they had reads. Rauth was a part of that too, but apparently its only scummy when they do it?? Unless there's something else to them than what I scumread them for

First, there's a difference in vibes/meta. usesPython is KNOWN for talking about mech, always. Look at their completed games, it's kinda crazy sometimes the mech talk they do. But in this specific game I get a villagery vibe from their posts, even if they are mostly about mech. And they are actually going somewhere with the mech and trying to figure things out, which is townie in my eyes.
On the other hand, Rauther's posts feel like they are talking about mech so they have something to talk about and are not lurking. This is scummy. You should be having plenty to talk about as town, you don't need to force yourself to talk (IMO).

Second point, usesPython has given reads? Maybe they didn't type them out but it's pretty clear who they SR and who they TR:

VOTE: WhemeStar

VOTE: Rautherdir

VOTE: WhemeStar

Serious Vote btw

I changed my mind, I want 7 townies in the Nightmare

HEAL: previous proposal
HURT: usesPython, Titus, DragonEater70, Radical Rat, Aureal, Kyoko Kirigiri, Abnegation

Abnegation I'm not sure about so that part's subject to change but the rest's in our townblock so good enough for now

something something nuanced takes town vibes. i like this.

[Abnegation]

what about those posts specifically reminds you of it?

I actually forgot to quote the middle post as well, whoops. Lemmie just quote the whole thing and then I'll answer:

Honestly I can probably guess the answer to that question of mine though since it uh. Removes any balance concerns about if there is a strategy that works regardless of if people are doing town hunting or not. Best we can do with Inquiry to confirm alignments without any extra information (like validating a claim someone made), is a public gunsmith effectively, which... isn't especially useful.

I mean public gunsmith is useful, but I think a lot less then just. Trying to do a smaller nightmare and doing a different ability. Hmm.

HEAL: Radical Rat

The latter, if interfered with, also gives us some information about the players in the nightmare as well especially.

Basically, what reminds me of Conception is the fact that they are kinda rambling to themself about mech rather than actually engaging with other players? And second guessing themself?
Compare with Conception:

Spoiler: random rambling about what 'Bendediction' is

Green role color + an inherently non-antagonistic sounding name (Especially compared to Malediction) did not scream as being scum to me personally.

But then again I didn't notice the flavour on alignment thing in setup so. If I'd seen that I'd have gone with the assumption that they are indeed scum and waited til day 2 when more information from public night actions is available to present it as a possibility depending on what happened.

Well. I might have still done it actually.
This was a decent way to break out of RVS I think, and I like doing stuff like that.

.... Actually wait.

I just realized the pattern of the three faction names.

Benedictions and maledictions are both subsets of invocations. Respectively, invocations for blessings and curses. Each of the concepts are as removed from invocations in general as the other is, with invocations being neutral.

.... I'm not sure what significance this has if any.

At the very least this suggests Benediction and Malediction are antagonistic to each other I guess?

I should stop trying to use flavor to figure out things though cause I know it can't be used that way now.

Well, maybe flavor can still tell us about the setup and what the persuasions of the factions towards each other are, just not what any specific player is, on second glance.

Spoiler: Random rambling about their role

I will say my role name sounds much more powerful then the actual ability actually is. I'm actually not sure at all how to use my role to any benefit, though it is role madness so uh... maybe there's some use to even something like what I have?

I'm not even sure what my role would be called in a more conventional game. (And thus don't know where on the wiki to look for play advice for, if there even is an equivalent for it) Half tempted to claim just to ask for help in how to even use it properly. This was the first time I've ever not been able to reply to my role pm with the normal equivalent of my role through any combination of modifiers and roles.

Still tempted to claim so that I can get info on how to even use my role effectively. I probably shouldn't so that I can be one of the less critical roles to eat a night kill but. I can just try to be town to eat a night kill instead soooo actually let me just claim.

I am a manifestation of Confirmation. I have the option to target a player each night to check if my action was successful.

I have no idea how this is even useful, and not even sure what the role is even called normally if it is an actual defined role in the wiki. Closest I could find was Visitor, but none of the modifiers function in a way to make it work like that.

Ack, wish I'd known what it would have been called earlier. And this somehow counts as an investigative role. Which I guess it does reveal something, just... wow.
I guess I should still activate it on nights to get even that little bit of information, and I guess there are a few claims I would be able to check more safely then other investigatives based on the wiki.

This suggests there are role blocking abilities and/or modifiers though, so... there's that.

Maybe a rolestopper or ascetic I could still see, but... yeah. I mean I had no idea how to use my ability effectively anyways so uh... it was either claim to figure out how to even use my role or try and figure it out myself.

Well, the least I can do at this point is try and be helpful enough to town that I get shot for that reason.

And hey, I might still get roleblocked if someone wants to fake an ascetic claim.

This is true, and I spent a while (before game started even) debating if I should claim to get knowledge on how to use my role or not. I just had no idea how to play my role, I couldn't figure out what the equivalent role was on the wiki and was thus bereft of any play advice from there.

The information that there are almost certainly roles that prevent actions from working is I think more valuable then keeping my role hidden as well, in retrospect. Plus, I can try to be as helpful to town as possible in order to eat a night kill for that reason even if not a powerful role. (The trick of course, is doing that, which I might not have the best track record of.)

I can do stuff like check ascetic or vet claims at least. Or just... gather information in general about other actions in play maybe.

OH HEY something I can check.

... I mean you've already been confirmed to be Invocation so I'm not sure I need to check that, but. Still.

i see the connection now.
i did play a game with them where they were town and they did less of that d1, but it was a normal so it's not the best comparison.

[Abnegation]

i did play a game with them where they were town and they did less of that d1, but it was a normal so it's not the best comparison.

I will note that me and Theta don't... quite play the same way, and I personally don't think meta from one account applies well to the other account.
I mean you can try, I won't stop you, but. I intentionally play with different mindsets on my different accounts.

to be clear, i'm not actually scumreading you for dragon's meta. i was just commenting that i get where they're coming from and brought up the other game because i looked at it just to see if i could find anything there that would support or oppose what they had said. i'll believe you when you say your playstyle and mindset are different on your alt, though, so there isn't much point for me to continue to look at meta stuff.

[Abnegation]

dont understand what StD did to get so high up Ranger's list, I personally can't tell if they're coasting or just being lazy

also how is bianco townier than me ranger???

on that subject, idk what

i

did to get so high up ranger's list either.

[Abnegation]

on that subject, idk what

i

did to get so high up ranger's list either.

Consistently townie vibes, honestly.

You just

look

town to me.

fair enough.

[Abnegation]

drew, have you got any scumreads?

[Abnegation]

drew, have you got any scumreads?

Really just coasting through D1, gonna sheep those I feel most confident in town.

But not liking Rauth or Sheep, to a lesser degree.

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.
i do feel similarly about rauth and sheep though.

[Abnegation]

drew, have you got any scumreads?

Really just coasting through D1, gonna sheep those I feel most confident in town.

But not liking Rauth or Sheep, to a lesser degree.

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.
i do feel similarly about rauth and sheep though.

It is more all the mech talk makes me disinterested so I am just wanting to get through D1.....or at least until actual Mafia.

Which maybe we are almost there?

that's a good point.
i think we're pretty much there. pretty hard to find a better plan than bp ic inventions.

[Abnegation]

I notice a lot of talk about finding trustworthy people to put in the Nightmare. I would like to say that I am town, thus feel free to put me in there, coach(es).

Yuck.

I like we were are on the same page Titus, a whole lotta yuck here.

it's not yuck, it's...

...cool.

[Abnegation]

Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

Can you describe Alianna any more perfectly?

i am the void.

[Abnegation]

i don't feel like playing this game today, but i also don't feel like being prodded, so i guess i will have to do some reading.

[Abnegation]

Merlyn's response to sheep is kind of nitpicky do you always vote in exact predictable fashion based on what you've written in previous posts, what if something changes or if you think about it differently later

I guess that's like, something you could say in response to any inconsistency ever. Is voting Abegnation over me scum indictative though ? Just, why?

I voted Abegneation because a bunch of votes, lots of fluff, no towniness, plus questioning why people that do townread them are townreading them sus! Plus, I guess I'm leaning Rauth is a townie who posts filler ? So might as well start there

well, i can question scumreads (is that a scumread?) too.
what's the difference between me posting filler and rauth posting filler? the fact that rauth's filler is mech-based? there's, like, one or two posts in their iso that discuss actual reads. is anything especially towny in those posts or in the way they've gone about talking mech?
this feels mildly contradictory when i really look at it.

[Abnegation]

i will chime in and say that i am not feeling the kkfc town vibes.

[Abnegation]

It's not "Dragon's talking in this game like town!Dragon normally does, therefore Dragon's town", it's "town!Dragon sounds LAMIST as hell normally so tone-reading him as scum off of that is a bad read"

I'm not tonereading DragonEater.
I'm scumreading DragonEater because I got one of the strongest gut pings ever of "DragonEater is

not

town".
Lacking a reason's rather inconvenient as I'm aware it decreases the odds I'll be followed.

it's also inconvenient if you're trying to push someone as scum, and i also don't see a reason you would need to scumread specifically de70 if you can't find a reason to. you can be town for now.

[Abnegation]

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.

Being honest, Doctor Drew is playing as he does when scum.

Were I unwilling to provide benefit of the doubt, he'd nearly top my scumreads.

I actually

do

believe him though; idk why. Gut I guess.

nice to see someone is on my wavelength about that.
hmm. do you think there's anything behind your gut reads or is it truly just a feeling?

[Abnegation]

Half+1 of everyone I think have Doctor Drew included in a proposal right now, so....
We don't want to put everyone in but uh.... Well, I guess we have one person already confirmed in now, so.

i only counted 8, majority is 10.
i don't think that's even how the voting system works. i'm pretty sure what korina said was that you get confirmed to be in the nightmare by being in a proposal (not multiple proposals) that reaches majority.
my impression of it was that someone put doctor drew in there via day ability. idk if i like that.

[Abnegation]

Half+1 of everyone I think have Doctor Drew included in a proposal right now, so....
We don't want to put everyone in but uh.... Well, I guess we have one person already confirmed in now, so.

i only counted 8, majority is 10.
i don't think that's even how the voting system works. i'm pretty sure what korina said was that you get confirmed to be in the nightmare by being in a proposal (not multiple proposals) that reaches majority.
my impression of it was that someone put doctor drew in there via day ability. idk if i like that.

I'm waiting on the VCs to know for sure, but if this is the case I want Drew dead.

i did also get the feeling that this is a scummy ability if that's what it is.
my count was looking at the last vc and then counting any hurt tags for proposals containing drew before the point that he was confirmed, which was none if i counted right. official vcs would be good though.

[Abnegation]

HEAL: old vote
HURT: Doctor Drew, Abnegation, Aureal, Radical Rat, usesPython, DragonEater70, Titus

Don't even know if there's a point to trying to get a pure Nightmare with Drew in it

-A

@mod

- what happens if someone gets confirmed to run in the nightmare, but then we execute them during the day?

[Abnegation]

oh right, should have read the op.

[Abnegation]

of course drew would use it on the cult leader lol.

[Abnegation]

and like in that game MT was pretty set to already be getting into the nightmare anyways going off votecounts and I'm not really seeing anyone here going "Yeah Drew's gigatown get him in there"

-A

hmm.
i wonder if korina would try to switch things up this game by having that ability be anti-town. it does feel intuitive to do that. maybe mod spec is a bad idea though.

[Abnegation]

oh right, should have read the op.

I'm thinking we do an 8 person proposal and lim Drew so that we get a 7 person nightmare but I also don't know who to put as the 8th and kinda don't want Kirigiri in there right now, you got any suggestions there?

-A

i'm liking ranger recently. how do you feel about her?

[Abnegation]

and i will vote here, at least for now.

VOTE: doctor drew

[Abnegation]

HEAL: previous proposal
HURT: usespython's proposal

[Abnegation]

? You're literally in the proposal you're voting for (Also that'd be an 11 person Nightmare which at that point no shot it's pure and we might as well be putting everyone in)

Didn't realize

HEAL: previous

I don't really like any of your other proposals though they all suck

what do you not like about those proposals?
also i've been having connection issues too. probably something with the site itself.

[Abnegation]

I mean. That's just.. classic role fishing.

as in ranger is rolefishing? i don't see it.

[Abnegation]

i mean, that question wasn't going anywhere useful imo, but i don't think that particular instance of asking about abilities is rolefishing. at least not in a scummy way.

[Abnegation]

@Abnegation, where are you thinking scum is?

ugh, connection issues are being annoying and i have to retype this.
i have...no clue.
i am somewhat confident that scum isn't in the proposal i endorsed yesterday though (drew, me, aureal, python, rat, de70, titus, and ranger). drew is someone i am scumreading for his play, but it doesn't make all that much sense for his partner to put him in the nightmare like that.

UNVOTE:

[Abnegation]

so many new pages.

[Abnegation]

Like it's that brainfart where you think someone's scum and that if you ask them straight up they'll admit to being scum for some reason

ik i already townread python but this makes me townread them more.

[Abnegation]

Yeah, I appreciated that Ranger's answer was authentic sounding. I think scum would have just automatically denied.

i like this, i had the same thought. i realize that's not always town-indicative but worth noting anyway.
probably going to focus more on townhunting than scumhunting today. just feels like that kind of game to me.

[Abnegation]

HURT: radical rat's proposal

[Abnegation]

HURT: radical rat's proposal

even though i do lean town on ranger, i'm not going to fight to have an extra person in the nightmare when we only need 7.

[Abnegation]

But apparently it's a crime to even look for alternatives to try and find anything that might be a more effective solution. I wasn't able to find a better solution this time, so yes, Bulletproof ICs it is.

I asked most of the questions that clarified if Bulletproof ICs was the best option though. So. Really.

Can we just stop this talk.

Stop using it as the reason you're voting me. Then we don't have to talk about it anymore at all.

i agree the easy thing for scum to do is to just stop talking about mech, but this is also one of the openwolfiest lines i have ever read lol.

[Abnegation]

Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

Can you describe Alianna any more perfectly?

To be fair haven't played with Alianna to m y knowledge

you have. we were scumbuddies in chatgpt, but i was part of a hydra.

Merlyn's response to sheep is kind of nitpicky do you always vote in exact predictable fashion based on what you've written in previous posts, what if something changes or if you think about it differently later

I guess that's like, something you could say in response to any inconsistency ever. Is voting Abegnation over me scum indictative though ? Just, why?

I voted Abegneation because a bunch of votes, lots of fluff, no towniness, plus questioning why people that do townread them are townreading them sus! Plus, I guess I'm leaning Rauth is a townie who posts filler ? So might as well start there

well, i can question scumreads (is that a scumread?) too.
what's the difference between me posting filler and rauth posting filler? the fact that rauth's filler is mech-based? there's, like, one or two posts in their iso that discuss actual reads. is anything especially towny in those posts or in the way they've gone about talking mech?
this feels mildly contradictory when i really look at it.

Ye of course you can question scumreads the way you went about it just seemed aimless to me

I'm not raally sure its contradictory to find the way Rauth did it towny and you not. I thought Rauth was definitely playing to a purpose which at first was filler nonsense to me but then I ended up believing him

You're more of a collection of different thoughts that i didnt townread across a large body of work

i dont know if i even engaged the same portions of my brain for the two reads you're ike a general vibe check where Rauth is a genuineness check as to the intentions.... hang on...

Yeah if you read across Rauths ISO its one long dicussion on the nightmarte and vigs and bla bla bla

Yours is more jokeys with some one liner reads sprinked in with a side of commenting on players meta. Nothing bad just a vibe of maybe floaty scum to me. Rauth seemed focused on waht he ws focused on

i disagree that either of those things are ai, but meh. could also be that i've seen rauth do exactly that as scum.

and like in that game MT was pretty set to already be getting into the nightmare anyways going off votecounts and I'm not really seeing anyone here going "Yeah Drew's gigatown get him in there"

-A

hmm.
i wonder if korina would try to switch things up this game by having that ability be anti-town. it does feel intuitive to do that. maybe mod spec is a bad idea though.

I kind ofl ike this thought


Also i have a big question, did Drew just get forcibly put into the Nightmare? If I'm understanding right?

that is indeed what happened.

[Abnegation]

i feel so uninspired in terms of who to vote.

[Abnegation]

Suddenly I am overcome with the urge to trust Drew unconditionally

This sudden change will make people think Drew day culted you.

I mean, that's just crazy talk.

Stop being crazy people.



Pre Edit: We need a multiball Drew factions game......Bingle I know you are following along, get on it!

wait, if you're not Drew, which one are you?

[Abnegation]

or are you all of them?

[Abnegation]

Suddenly I am overcome with the urge to trust Drew unconditionally

This sudden change will make people think Drew day culted you.

I mean, that's just crazy talk.

Stop being crazy people.



Pre Edit: We need a multiball Drew factions game......Bingle I know you are following along, get on it!

wait, if you're not Drew, which one are you?

America(fuck ya), have you not been paying attention?

lol nope. just noticed we're getting close to post 1000 and showed up so i can steal it.

[Abnegation]

{usesPython}
{Radical Rat, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir}
{Doctor Drew}
{Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{Save The Dragons}
{Flea The Magician}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{WhemeStar}
{Aureal}
{Merlyn}
{Kyoko Kirigiri}
{DragonEater70}

Would vote anyone from Flea below. {Merlyn, Kyoko Kirigiri, DragonEater70} are actually strong scumreads, rest are south of null by indeterminable amount.

Small addendum; I'd also vote STD, but he's null.

I realize I've ~3ish more names south of null than ideal. I've strong townreads in top 2 tiers, and beyond those, nobody's as town as I'd prefer. Still, I don't think I can do better off of what I have rn.

did you ever talk about that merlyn sr? if not, could you?

[Abnegation]

i can go back to rauth, i mostly moved off him because i scumread drew more, but i don't really feel that way anymore, and uhhhhhhhh wagons good i guess?

VOTE: rautherdir

i don't think my brain is big enough to understand ranger vs. kirigiri.

[Abnegation]

and another post 1000 is mine.

[Abnegation]

Not buying a lot of the logic related to traitor/lawyer signaling. Way more indicative ways to do it in a game with two voting mechanisms, imo?

it almost feels too obvious to me.

[Abnegation]

lawyer would be a 3p role who has to protect their "client" and keep them from dying/getting executed, not quite sure of the specifics. that would more likely be called saviour here though.

[Abnegation]

i don't understand why de70 is getting voted. ranger has a gut feeling and the rest of you are voting there because...why?
i don't think they've done anything scummy so would appreciate if someone would explain.

[Abnegation]

VOTE: Abnegation

what's that for?

[Abnegation]

i don't understand why de70 is getting voted. ranger has a gut feeling and the rest of you are voting there because...why?
i don't think they've done anything scummy so would appreciate if someone would explain.

I'm showing my support for dragonkind in this high-stakes deathmatch. Dragons are friends, not food.

have you tried dragon though? they taste pretty good.

[Abnegation]

ok, i am never voting drew this game.

[Abnegation]

Because I do not believe that someone with such an ability would just pop it D1 without any indication or discussion.

If Ranger had fessed up about it, I MIGHT have believed the Drew puns/offering to pay Drew royalties immediately before the announcement were crumbing, but she has now explicitly denied that possibility, and I don't think anyone else really has anything pointing toward abnormal information about Drew.

why is abnormal information about drew needed to put him in the nightmare? or am i misunderstanding?

[Abnegation]

for all we know, scum could have noticed that ranger was making

drew

puns and put him in there to cast suspicion. idk.

[Abnegation]

for all we know, scum could have noticed that ranger was making

drew

puns and put him in there to cast suspicion. idk.

^
that might implicate kirigiri if true but it's just a theory.

[Abnegation]

The suggestion was a Town Informed role did it. Can't be informed without information

ok, makes sense, i just can't read apparently.

[Abnegation]

I think Drew was pretty townie with his Abnegation/KKFC push, if we're talking about the day ability why cant it be something like a Town Informed Nightmare Decider?

You thought that most recent push was *town*? It seemed pretty NAI to me, with it being total bullshit

i'm not python, but those sorts of conspiracy theories are definitely a thing town!drew does.

[Abnegation]

so i've finally figured out what i think about the

drew

puns and the nightmare placement, but it is unfortunately a very boring conclusion.
the puns are probably just puns. even if it looks like signaling, it's a reach to speculate that a very specific 3p role (or a scum traitor) both exists and would signal in such an obvious-looking way. the way it was done just seems like it was bound to get noticed by more people than just the intended target.
i still think drew being placed in the nightmare is +town for him. we've established it's most likely a scum ability, and i really don't think scum would be that desperate to get their partner in there that early, to the point that it would be worth drawing all that attention there. unless we're in multiball, in which case the solution is to read him off his play, and i read him as town right now so nothing changes. perhaps it was just done to sow conflict and suspicion, it did a pretty good job creating a bunch of (imo) useless arguing.
i am sympathetic to the idea that scum is letting the town eat itself. that could be a lot of people though.
still have no clue who to vote, but i liked this answer from ranger so i will probably just sheep it for the time being.

did you ever talk about that merlyn sr? if not, could you?

Sure. Merlyn is THE slot I'm talking about in exploiting Radical Rat. It doesn't display well in iso, yet most of her content is directly reflective of what RR's discussing at the time. Merlyn's given no content I've thought town, looks like scum, and has taken stances which I feel are taking advantage of town accusing town. Merlyn's contributions have been lackluster, and when the town's had its more lighthearted moments, Merlyn's contributions to them has felt forced. Both her hop onto Rauth as well as her hop off Rauth were suspect.

VOTE: merlyn

do better. (sorry, that was mean)

[Abnegation]

VOTE: merlyn

do worse (also how many votes on Merlyn rn?)

3. aureal, myself, and you.

[Abnegation]

i know for certain i want the following 5 people in: abnegation, aureal, radical rat, usespython, doctor drew. i can be flexible about the remaining two or three.

[Abnegation]

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

i agree on not rauth and i can understand not ranger. would you consider re-voting your old proposal (not sure whose proposal it is now) of the 5 i mentioned + de70 and titus?

[Abnegation]

for all we know, scum could have noticed that ranger was making

drew

puns and put him in there to cast suspicion. idk.

^
that might implicate kirigiri if true but it's just a theory.

This would be the other possible explanation if Ranger didn't do it. But like, scum are on the ball enough to immediately pick up on Ranger making weird Drew jokes for no reason and decide to set up a frame... and then just sit around for days hoping town picks up on the hints to go after the Ranger/Drew thing? The timing doesn't make sense. Rat started prodding Ranger about it right away but that was just because of the timing and Ranger's view on Drew. If scum wanted heat on Ranger/Drew for it, doesn't it seem like they would point out the supposed crumbing sooner?

yeah, the timing is what i was going to look at and forgot to.
what i don't get is why those two things are necessarily connected. if anti-town!ranger needs drew in the nightmare or thinks she might want to use that ability on him, making puns about specifically him doesn't seem like a smart idea because it connects them. am i wrong to think that's something that was bound to get read into?

[Abnegation]

that gif makes me feel so much remorse. what have i done?
still townlean dragoneater though.

[Abnegation]

@save the dragons - interested in why you took python out of your proposal. i think they've been vibing town all game.

[Abnegation]

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

what if...WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

[Abnegation]

well that's an interesting take.

[Abnegation]

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

[Abnegation]

anyway someone, think it was sheep, wasn't sure why i was townreading aureal.
it's a vibe. can't really explain it. i just look at her posts and let the towniness wash over me.

[Abnegation]

for all we know, scum could have noticed that ranger was making

drew

puns and put him in there to cast suspicion. idk.

^
that might implicate kirigiri if true but it's just a theory.

This would be the other possible explanation if Ranger didn't do it. But like, scum are on the ball enough to immediately pick up on Ranger making weird Drew jokes for no reason and decide to set up a frame... and then just sit around for days hoping town picks up on the hints to go after the Ranger/Drew thing? The timing doesn't make sense. Rat started prodding Ranger about it right away but that was just because of the timing and Ranger's view on Drew. If scum wanted heat on Ranger/Drew for it, doesn't it seem like they would point out the supposed crumbing sooner?

yeah, the timing is what i was going to look at and forgot to.
what i don't get is why those two things are necessarily connected. if anti-town!ranger needs drew in the nightmare or thinks she might want to use that ability on him, making puns about specifically him doesn't seem like a smart idea because it connects them. am i wrong to think that's something that was bound to get read into?

Well that would be where the traitor or somesuch speculation comes in. If they were just regular scum together obviously dropping crumbs is silly, unless they're going for some galaxy-brain convoluted gambit. The crumbs would mean Ranger was wanting Drew to be able to figure out who did it, while not being too obvious to the others who perhaps don't care so much.

People are saying "well it's too obvious" but is it really? It took days for the crumbs to be connected, by Kyoko who was doing catchup. I feel like that's hindsight talking. It's obvious

once you've seen it

but if it was that obvious we'd all have seen it right away without Kyoko needing to point it out. That's why I'm thinking Kyoko town. I don't know why scum would want to point out crumbs that town has missed, except if they were setting up a frame, but I've already talked about how that doesn't seem at all likely.

hmm, i don't think i scumread ranger but the hindsight thing is a good point.

[Abnegation]

@aureal - who would you put in the initial 5-person proposal?

[Abnegation]

my list is pretty similar to your list.
i went through the people in playerlist order, the order people are listed here does not reflect the strengths of my reads.

already in: doctor drew
yes: dragoneater70, radical rat, titus, usespython, abnegation, aureal
maybe: random nurse, katykimfanclub, save the dragons, camelcasedsnivy, sheepsaysmeep
mayyyyyyybe: morning tweet, kyoko kirigiri, flea the magician
no: ranger, whemestar, rautherdir, merlyn

[Abnegation]

i don't have much time for this game tonight, but i looked through the lists we have so far, and assuming i didn't miss anything, there are exactly 7 people who aren't in anyone's "hard no" list.

HURT: doctor drew, abnegation, radical rat, usespython, morning tweet, camelcasedsnivy, sheepsaysmeep

how do we feel about this as a proposal?

[Abnegation]

HURT: ranger's proposal

[Abnegation]

i don't feel very good right now, western canada is on fire again and the air quality is terrible because of the smoke, but i'll try to respond to some stuff.

so i've finally figured out what i think about the

drew

puns and the nightmare placement, but it is unfortunately a very boring conclusion.
the puns are probably just puns. even if it looks like signaling, it's a reach to speculate that a very specific 3p role (or a scum traitor) both exists and would signal in such an obvious-looking way. the way it was done just seems like it was bound to get noticed by more people than just the intended target.
i still think drew being placed in the nightmare is +town for him. we've established it's most likely a scum ability, and i really don't think scum would be that desperate to get their partner in there that early, to the point that it would be worth drawing all that attention there. unless we're in multiball, in which case the solution is to read him off his play, and i read him as town right now so nothing changes. perhaps it was just done to sow conflict and suspicion, it did a pretty good job creating a bunch of (imo) useless arguing.
i am sympathetic to the idea that scum is letting the town eat itself. that could be a lot of people though.
still have no clue who to vote, but i liked this answer from ranger so i will probably just sheep it for the time being.

did you ever talk about that merlyn sr? if not, could you?

Sure. Merlyn is THE slot I'm talking about in exploiting Radical Rat. It doesn't display well in iso, yet most of her content is directly reflective of what RR's discussing at the time. Merlyn's given no content I've thought town, looks like scum, and has taken stances which I feel are taking advantage of town accusing town. Merlyn's contributions have been lackluster, and when the town's had its more lighthearted moments, Merlyn's contributions to them has felt forced. Both her hop onto Rauth as well as her hop off Rauth were suspect.

VOTE: merlyn

do better. (sorry, that was mean)

Gonna try to review this post in 2 parts. first the points mentioned. Many roles that require signaling will need obvious signaling, if you're not aware what kind of role you have to signal to, so that argument makes it less likely that its a traitor, and more likely to be such signaling (that get closer to lawyer like - savior like interactions) and this was one of the stuff going through my head when I first mentioned it actually looks like that instead of traitor. so you're right with that. I just have a very hard time assuming things happen randomly in a game full of intentions, and It just feels weird that dre who was heavily puned about is forced in nightmare. This might be a chaos made by scum to make me chase ducks and gooses and the more this discussion went through it felt like that tbh, but I'm still very skeptical about the nature of these events and how "randomly" they happened in same day phase

i get what you mean. if it is a lawyer/saviour type role, though, i'm not too worried. that doesn't sound like a role we need dead.
as for the intentions, i hesitate to automatically assume that things like that are connected, but that could just be a playstyle difference.

secondly about the way this post is written, I feel like the analyzing is clear and from a solving mindset but I just feel a tiny bit uneasy about the way you put things together that implies somewhat if ranger was only posting puns = ranger is town kinda vibe which is a logical fallacy. same also with your drew read. Like I agree with the solve that it might not best practice to focus there anymore and I'm actually feeling that vibe as well, but I just dont get to the conclusions you want me to reach with the assumptions that premises of that push were wrong (that the signaling and nightmare force were related). I just think at very best this puts both at null - which is were I had them both for mech reasons. and IMO ranger is a bit scummy individually regardless of that talk.

i don't think that only posting puns = town. i was townreading ranger individually already, but i forget why.

[Abnegation]

HURT: Doctor Drew, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons, Radical Rat

ugh, i like this proposal better but i think we're pretty much locked into the other one.

[Abnegation]

Do you not think providing a convincing alternative would help your position here?

Maybe, but I'm of the opinion- hey, maybe it's wrong- that I shouldn't have to solve the game D1 and offer someone else up in order to not get limmed. Even if I had no scumreads, I would still be town and this would still be a crap wagon.

You shouldn't have to solve the game, but generally when I'm being pushed and I'm innocent, I'm VERY concerned about who pushing me is scum and why.

Are you also very concerned about showing everyone how concerned you are? I'm not. Sometimes it's smarter to keep your thoughts to yourself for a while and let things play out.

Sometimes it is smarter. I don't think that time is now.

Me: I think some of the people on my wagon are scum

Two of the people on my wagon: TELL US WHO RIGHT NOW ITS NOT TOWN TO NOT TELL

are you implying rat/python here? if so i don't really like that, those are some of my top townreads.

[Abnegation]

idk what to do so i guess i'll make the lowest-effort readslist ever. the reason for most of these is "idk, it's a vibe."

people i don't want to yeet: radical rat, usespython, aureal, dragoneater70, doctor drew
people i maybe don't want to yeet: titus, save the dragons, sheepsaysmeep, morning tweet, camelcasedsnivy
people i could be persuaded on: ranger, kyoko kirigiri, random nurse, rautherdir, katykimfanclub
people i'm okay with yeeting: whemestar, merlyn, flea the magician

[Abnegation]

HURT: Doctor Drew, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons, Radical Rat

ugh, i like this proposal better but i think we're pretty much locked into the other one.

why?

to me aureal doesn't seem like the best candidate to put into the nightmare

I dont rly care about the nightmare

and you're just eh

ranger is controversial and i don't remember why i was townreading them.
aureal is a vibe.
you not really caring doesn't matter much.
and i'm in both proposals anyway.

p-edit: and my top townread supports it too.

[Abnegation]

that makes four of us so i'm going to do it. i can switch back to the other one if necessary.

HURT: kyoko kirigiri's proposal

[Abnegation]

HURT: ranger's proposal

[Abnegation]

VOTE: whemestar

this wagon is fine. lurker go yeet.
and can we get more votes on ranger's proposal?

[Abnegation]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

[Abnegation]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

the changes you mentioned before were about ranger unless i'm missing something.
i'm voting wheme because idk who to vote and lurker go yeet. i don't actually have a strong preference for merlyn or wheme wagon though.

p-edit: hmm, i kind of like that theory. still don't know who to vote but maybe a merlyn red flip would be more informative.

[Abnegation]

secondly about the way this post is written, I feel like the analyzing is clear and from a solving mindset but I just feel a tiny bit uneasy about the way you put things together that implies somewhat if ranger was only posting puns = ranger is town kinda vibe which is a logical fallacy. same also with your drew read. Like I agree with the solve that it might not best practice to focus there anymore and I'm actually feeling that vibe as well, but I just dont get to the conclusions you want me to reach with the assumptions that premises of that push were wrong (that the signaling and nightmare force were related). I just think at very best this puts both at null - which is were I had them both for mech reasons. and IMO ranger is a bit scummy individually regardless of that talk.

This doesn't feel like town mindset to me - it feels like Kyoko is simultaneously trying to agree with (to gain credit) and criticize (to form a future avenue of attack) Abnormality's (:D) post, instead of just posting their sincere thoughts. This is usually something that scum does.

i like this analysis of the post, also i don't think i actually did the thing kyoko was criticizing me for.

What do you think our scumcase on Wheme is? As a hint: You and DragonEater should have the easiest time figuring this case out

I'm intrigued.

It's lurking, right?

Lurking with cross-site activity (You were playing codenames)

Well all I can say is it's a lot easier to make a single post with a clue than to read like 10-20 pages of mafia and try to analyze what's going on. But, I do understand why it could look scummy.

this is an easy post to make but i want to townread it anyway.

[Abnegation]

Sorry for not being here for 6 out of the last 7 days or something, I should be fully back today with no more prods.
I just checked the latest VC, and a whole bunch of people I townread are voting for Merlyn, so time to find out what's up with that.
Will have a short read and then post some more.

Hi I'm the new Merlyn

please be town this time (hi, i'm alianna).

[Abnegation]

And I hate this Wheme push.

Can somebody explain it to me? Is everyone suddenly voting Wheme just because Ranger changed her vote? What's going on?

Merlyn stalled out, then replaced out, Wheme was a nothing slot I was okay taking a chance on, and now that his defense is that Ranger correctly identified his scum meta, but she's scum for doing it lazily... Not super inclined to move back to CSF tbh.

Lurking isn’t my scum meta?

no im more likely to lurk as scum but idk if i consider what im doin lurking im just disassociated

?????

i think i like my wheme vote.

[Abnegation]

*like it more now

[Abnegation]

What do u guys not understand about being more likely to lurk as scum but I also do it as town but they are for different reasons. If you guys are sure enough to say you like my vote more now then go back and look at my scum games to see it’s not my meta and ask yourself if you think my posts this game come from someone who’s scared of posting

you said that you were more likely to lurk as scum, but also that lurking isn't your scum meta, which confused me a little.
so then i looked into the ranger stuff. you're scumreading ranger because you think she's trying to lazily meta-read you as scum for lurking, which, as tweet pointed out, you don't think is your scum meta (even though you're more likely to do it as scum?) and you don't think you're doing now. ranger didn't even say why she thought you were in your scum meta, so why assume? you think that you could be perceived as lurking on the surface level and that it would be easy to call you scum for it, but that would be lazy and ranger isn't a lazy player. why, then, do you jump to the conclusion that ranger is doing the lazy thing as scum rather than having other reasons?
hmm. i guess maybe i could see that part of it coming from town who's biased by knowing their own alignment.
but overall, i'm just very, very confused. i try to wrap my head around those posts and i can't. i don't know if that actually means much, but last time i felt this way about a player, they flipped scum, so i'm going with it.
i would, however, like to hear ranger's meta case on you and your defense before the day ends, and i may update my read after that.

[Abnegation]

So like, Ranger is making an easy fake read on you for being lurk!scum even tho you dont think you lurk as scum and you're not lurking here

This shit's losing me

How do you expect town!Ranger to be reading you exactly though. Like what makes it so unbelievable to you that Ranger is interpreting this as a lurk!game and you as lurk!scum. You say it feels different to ytou than when you play as scum but Ranger says it looks like your scum games, why is it the former

actually, this entire post is just on point.

[Abnegation]

actually, tweet's posts about you in general look good and natural and i'm tempted to townbin her.

[Abnegation]

Ok, the reason you that is asked is this.

I noticed this game there was a lot of alignment in your reads with Titus. Notably, Titus commented on 383 as she read my posts and ended up voting for me. In post 383, I suggest that we make a list of towny people and vote for an aggregated nightmare proposal. (Side note, this is exactly what we ended up doing). I follow up in 384 asking if we should just vote during the day for who gets the IC.

You voted for me in 494 and then commented on Titus' voting for me in 513. She quotes 383 in 508. Therefore, it follows that you've seen 383 and the response to it as well as 384.

Then you make 1535 and 1538, which makes no sense if you remembered my earlier posts because its the same thought process I had and its asking very similar questions.

Maybe this is super circumstantial, but this is evidence I have for you being checked out and not lurking.

if you had this evidence for why wheme wasn't lurking, why did you ask wheme to provide evidence?

[Abnegation]

snivy wagon just vibes kind of meh imo.

[Abnegation]

Maybe im just tired.
You are asking for proof that either does or doesnt exist and then you go on to answer your own questions in what read as an attempt to back off unsuspiciously and go elsewhere.

oh cool, someone else noticed this.

sorry if my catchup today is a bit spammy, i'm just reading through the last 6 pages and posting as i go.

[Abnegation]

Maybe im just tired.
You are asking for proof that either does or doesnt exist and then you go on to answer your own questions in what read as an attempt to back off unsuspiciously and go elsewhere.

oh cool, someone else noticed this.

sorry if my catchup today is a bit spammy, i'm just reading through the last 6 pages and posting as i go.

You two noticed... a tautology?

not 100% sure what you're referring to here, but i'm commenting on the fact that flea also noticed that interaction and thought it looked strange/sus. i don't really care about the specific wording of it if that's what you mean. i haven't decided if i townread it yet, just posting thoughts as they come to me.

[Abnegation]

given deadline unpaused, I'd compromise vote for Wheme but I'd like someone - preferably someone I'm not already townreading - to elaborate on why Wheme is scum over disengaged town

I already indicated earlier that I didn't think highly of this post:

I have no idea how to get into this game a lim on me wouldn't be bad im probably just gonna sheep ranger

I don't think townies are actually very likely to think a lim on them is fine. Basically it gives me vibes like they're going for this defense: "The twin that suggests that they both be killed is the good twin, because the evil twin wouldn't be selfless enough to die to make sure the other one did too. It's like, the oldest trick in the book." /shameless OotS plug

The fact that Wheme posted that, and then sprang to life after they started actually getting a serious wagon like they still want to fend it off, indicates to me that my initial skepticism of their angle was well-justified. Wheme has made nearly twice as many posts in the last few days since the threat of being the flip became serious. They aren't terribly useful posts for the most part, only giving a few reads or thoughts about the game while being more concerned with self-defense. It comes across very much like lurky scum who's making an effort to not be lurky to save themself now that they're at risk, but without giving away too much to avoid spewing info.

This doesn’t make much sense
Would you townread me if I said I was fine with a lim on me and didn’t post at all? Would you townread me if I didn’t defend myself at all?

she just said she thought town was unlikely to think a lim on them was fine (i disagree on that part but that has nothing to do with my point here), so obviously she wouldn't townread you for saying that and then not posting or not defending yourself. i read it as her thinking the first point makes you look scummy and the second one makes you look scummier. i don't know how you get to thinking she would townread you for the first point alone and that response feels a little uncharitable.

[Abnegation]

@kkfc - specifically, what seemed off to me is that you asked the question, but it seemed like you already knew where you stood on it and had the evidence to back it up. all of the reasons provided in 1820 were from posts that were made pages and pages ago and there wasn't anything about wheme's response to your question. nothing to suggest it had factored into your read. so it did look pointless.
i wouldn't say it makes me want to scumread or vote your slot yet though, you're null overall for me.

[Abnegation]

sorry for spamming 4 posts in a row but it's always really unsatisfying to me to just leave a pagebottom

i understand this feeling lol.

[Abnegation]

i guess i'll ask the obvious follow-up question - did wheme's response to you impact your read on them in any significant way?

[Abnegation]

wheme is at e-2 by the way.

[Abnegation]

i guess i'll ask the obvious follow-up question - did wheme's response to you impact your read on them in any significant way?

No

fair enough.

[Abnegation]

post 2000 is mine.

[Abnegation]

i'm tempted to quote every unofficial vc i've ever made as proof that i of all people would be keeping track of votes.

[Abnegation]

Paranoia theory: Drew is a secret hydra

Paranoia theory: Drew is a secret hydra

Explains the Drew/

Drew

thing and can be done with a PT + a post restriction that forces him to post what's said there

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

Is this from Drew or

Drew

?

VC happens and see Merlyn is the main wagon.

Oh No, let's move votes off her.

Puh......lease.

Is this from Drew or

Drew

?

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

And while you are at it, hear me out as well.

This is probably the clearest instance of the hydra thing happening

[Abnegation]

please hold.

[Abnegation]

Spoiler: i am a woman of my word

mewbie 2092:

Unofficial votecount because a lot of stuff happened:

RCEnigma: (E-1) MegAzumarill, Isis, furtiveglance, Ryno56
Alianna: (1) Cat.Jpeg
furtiveglance: (1) RCEnigma
GoldfishFromTheMoon: (1) Somnus


Not Voting (2): Alianna, GoldfishFromTheMoon

newbie 2095:

Unofficial votecount mostly for my reference.

Alianna (2): 72offsuit, whiskey delta
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X


Not Voting (5): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, Alianna

newbie 2116:

Unofficial VC for reference.

Human (E-2): mallowgeno, Cat Scratch Fever, skitter30
mallowgeno (2): Alianna, Human
KawaiiKame (1): Black

Not Voting (3): Arko, Deltabreedy, KawaiiKame

@mod

- VCs 1.06 and 1.07 show Deltabreedy as Not Voting when they didn't unvote Black until after 1.07.

Sorry GIF for stealing your job.

mallowgeno (3): Alianna, Human, Black
Cat Scratch Fever (2): Arko, Deltabreedy
KawaiiKame (1): mallowgeno

Not Voting (3): KawaiiKame, skitter30, Cat Scratch Fever

micro 1074:

here's an unofficial vc for you then.

kowahbunga (e-2) - kittytacky, abnegation, not known 15
kawaiikame (e-2) - kowahbunga, kokichi oma, furtiveglance
abnegation (2) - skitter30, kawaiikame

not voting (1) - highprincesserinys

mini theme 2297:

unofficial vc for reference:

icedragon70 (e-2): feysal, hell froze over, enchant, actiondan, furtiveglance
enchant (2): the keeper, rautherdir
actiondan (1): icedragon70

not voting (5): abnegation, bluesnakelet, goldfishfromthemoon, hugir, kawaiikame

another unofficial vc for reference (sorry rh for stealing your job):

icedragon70 (3): hell froze over, enchant, actiondan
enchant (2): the keeper, rautherdir
the keeper (1): furtiveglance

not voting (7): abnegation, bluesnakelet, goldfishfromthemoon, hugir, kawaiikame, feysal, icedragon70

unofficial vc, at your service!

icedragon70 (4): actiondan, rautherdir, abnegation, feysal
rautherdir (3): enchant, icedragon70, furtiveglance
hugir (1): the keeper

not voting (5): bluesnakelet, goldfishfromthemoon, hugir, kawaiikame, hell froze over

unofficial vc #4 so i don't just lolhammer:

rautherdir (e-2): enchant, icedragon70, furtiveglance, hell froze over, actiondan
icedragon70 (3): rautherdir, abnegation, kawaiikame
hugir (1): the keeper
kawaiikame (1): feysal

not voting (3): bluesnakelet, goldfishfromthemoon, hugir

newbie 2120:

Unofficial VC for my reference:

iamveryhappy (E-2): JasonWazza, MintChippo, ClarkBar
eektor (2): iamveryhappy, Merlyn

Not Voting (4): ratrat, KaninIGuess, Alianna, eektor

micro 1080:

Unofficial VC:

Merlyn (E-2): KittyTacky, Alianna, GrandpaSpino
Skygazer (E-2): Something_Smart, JasonWazza, Doctor Drew
Alianna (2): T3, Merlyn
KittyTacky (1): Skygazer

Doctor Drew (E-2): Merlyn, Alianna
Merlyn (1): Doctor Drew

Not Voting (3): Skygazer, Something_Smart, T3

VOTE: T3

Yeah, I'll change this for now, just because town!Doc might have bullets and town!T3 might be a bomb (but I'm too lazy to go find the posts where people brought those points up).

Then I'll VOTE: Merlyn. That is E-1.

Merlyn (E-1): Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Alianna
Doctor Drew (E-2): Merlyn, T3

Not Voting (1): Something_Smart

micro 1082:

unofficial vc so i don't hammer anyone:

donempire (e-2): political clout, kowahbunga, doctor drew
kowahbunga (2): black, donempire
political clout (2): invisibility, appearance
doctor drew (1): bingle

not voting (1): abnegation

stealing the mod's job again (sorry gif):

political clout (e-2): invisibility, appearance, abnegation
donempire (e-2): political clout, kowahbunga, doctor drew
kowahbunga (1): black
doctor drew (1): bingle

not voting (1): donempire

only reason i haven't done it this game is because kori's formatting would be very difficult to translate to mine. i have still been keeping track of wagons though.
also some of these are from over a year ago when i was an awkward noob and skimming my old isos makes me cringe in pain.

[Abnegation]

python unvoted and camel voted.

VOTE: WhemeStar

E-1

if you compare the quality of posts between my scum game and my town game I put a lot more work into scum posts usually because I care a lot more on how people perceive me.

Guess what your posts this game look like to me.

WhemeStar ironically wrote part of my case for me.

He's right. He

does

put more work into scum posts and cares more how people perceive him.

A large part of my scumread came from noticing he was doing precisely that this game.

Wait what?

What is condemn and why whemestar

For what it’s worth, there’s a

very

high chance WhemeStar is scum here. I’m

fairly

certain this is his scumplay, although I’ve not verified.

I do get why people would object. He's a low-info elimination, and would explicitly be a compromise.

Should the Merlyn ever far apart, he'd be my first choice of alternatives.

Still, let’s not abandon a perfectly good wagon. I still believe Merlyn has a high chance of flipping scum.

You thought WhemeStars 10 one-liner posts was him putting in effort?

UNVOTE: WhemeStar

whatever i want results

VOTE: Wheme

[Abnegation]

as in, they can talk in pts or give messages or something, or you mean literally out-of-game?

[Abnegation]

I learn if someone has a pt with another player in the game

wait, isn't that one called pt cop and the traffic analyst checks if another player is capable of private communication?

[Abnegation]

I learn if someone has a pt with another player in the game

wait, isn't that one called pt cop and the traffic analyst checks if another player is capable of private communication?

like, mailman would show a positive result to traffic analyst and a negative result to pt cop.

[Abnegation]

you're not a cop.

[Abnegation]

there could be, like, neighbourhoods and stuff.

[Abnegation]

idk but i kind of want to call this towny. like, surely he'd figure out what his role does in scumchat?

UNVOTE:

p-edit: exactly.

[Abnegation]

who is even scum this game?

[Abnegation]

I MISSED LIKE 1 WORD

you thought your role was for catching cheaters.

[Abnegation]

maybe scum are just towny and playing well.
idk how to look for those kinds of scum on d1 though. usually we vote the scummy-looking people on d1. but nobody looks really scummy to me.

[Abnegation]

i swear i remember him saying that but i looked through his iso and i can't find it either.

[Abnegation]

i was going to tinfoil that aureal is wheme's scumbuddy and the reason she thinks he said it but we can't find it is because it was said in scumchat. but i actually just can't read.

[Abnegation]

am i allowed to ask wheme to paraphrase what his role pm said kori's dream was about? or is that considered ogi?

[Abnegation]

given deadline unpaused, I'd compromise vote for Wheme but I'd like someone - preferably someone I'm not already townreading - to elaborate on why Wheme is scum over disengaged town

I already indicated earlier that I didn't think highly of this post:

I have no idea how to get into this game a lim on me wouldn't be bad im probably just gonna sheep ranger

I don't think townies are actually very likely to think a lim on them is fine. Basically it gives me vibes like they're going for this defense: "The twin that suggests that they both be killed is the good twin, because the evil twin wouldn't be selfless enough to die to make sure the other one did too. It's like, the oldest trick in the book." /shameless OotS plug

The fact that Wheme posted that, and then sprang to life after they started actually getting a serious wagon like they still want to fend it off, indicates to me that my initial skepticism of their angle was well-justified. Wheme has made nearly twice as many posts in the last few days since the threat of being the flip became serious. They aren't terribly useful posts for the most part, only giving a few reads or thoughts about the game while being more concerned with self-defense. It comes across very much like lurky scum who's making an effort to not be lurky to save themself now that they're at risk, but without giving away too much to avoid spewing info.

This doesn’t make much sense
Would you townread me if I said I was fine with a lim on me and didn’t post at all? Would you townread me if I didn’t defend myself at all?

I think this is the post Aureal was referring to.

Really Aureal? You turned this into quite the spin that Wheme said he was ok with being limmed.

do you think "a lim on me wouldn't be bad" is meaningfully different from "i'm ok with being limmed?" i don't see it.

[Abnegation]

but there's 2121.

[Abnegation]

idk. the claim

feels

like a town claim, but i agree that parts of wheme's posting don't add up, like aureal and others have mentioned.

[Abnegation]

why are you not advocating massclaim then?

[Abnegation]

also that entire post has the vibe of "i got caught rolefishing and i had to think up a defense real quick." maybe it's the emoji.

[Abnegation]

Alright, so why haven't you claimed, if any info is good info, that applies to the rest of us right?

(This is NOT a request for you to claim, I just want to know your thought process)

I wanted any piece of info not based solely on logs that's it

massclaiming obviously outs our most important prs since mafia have tmi on that

how could you be sure wheme isn't one of our most important prs before he's claimed?

[Abnegation]

VOTE: camelcasedsnivy

[Abnegation]

i'll take 2222.

[Abnegation]

Idk I don’t like his posts but I don’t think they come from scum

why do you not think they come from scum?

[Abnegation]

Because I think he doesn’t say outlandish things like this as scum and tries to post more reserved

Is this personal experience, or just a general theory?

General theory based on their completed games

all of his completed games are towngames so how are you getting anything about what his scumgame looks like?

[Abnegation]

unofficial vc that i probably messed up:

whemestar (e-2): aureal, ranger, sheepsaysmeep, radical rat, usespython, cat scratch fever, katykimfanclub, whemestar
camelcasedsnivy (3): titus, save the dragons, abnegation
ranger (2): kyoko kirigiri, whemestar
aureal (1): doctor drew, camelcasedsnivy
cat scratch fever (1): morning tweet
katykimfanclub (1): flea the magician
rautherdir (1): dragoneater70

not voting (1): rautherdir

[Abnegation]

yeahhhhh ok.

VOTE: whemestar

that's e-1.

[Abnegation]

Any chance to flash wagon flea

why do you want to flash wagon flea?

[Abnegation]

yeahhhhh ok.

VOTE: whemestar

that's e-1.

i'm not sure i get everything in ranger's meta case but i do see the tone difference, and idk what that hammer stunt was.

[Abnegation]

Cuz flea is probably scum and wheme is not and I'm not sure about CCS

why is flea probably scum?

[Abnegation]

i don't get how the graph is useful. what is it supposed to help us with?

[Abnegation]

Cuz flea isn't doing anything

i don't find this compelling.

[Abnegation]

unofficial vc that i probably messed up:

whemestar (e-2): aureal, ranger, sheepsaysmeep, radical rat, usespython, cat scratch fever, katykimfanclub, whemestar
camelcasedsnivy (3): titus,

save the dragons

, abnegation
ranger (2): kyoko kirigiri, whemestar
aureal (1): doctor drew, camelcasedsnivy
cat scratch fever (1): morning tweet
katykimfanclub (1): flea the magician
rautherdir (1): dragoneater70

not voting (1): rautherdir

lol no i didn't.

[Abnegation]

VOTE: camelcasedsnivy

i can't get over the rolefishy stuff yesterday.

[Abnegation]

hi, i am alive, i'll actually read the thread now.

[Abnegation]

VOTE: Abnegation you're alive !

wait, is there something wrong with me being alive?

[Abnegation]

Based off 1552 there's scum in Abnegation/StD/Snivy

VOTE: StD

I'm not sure I follow. What makes you think that?

Kirigiri flipped scum. Her proposal includes neither herself nor Titus, the other flipped scum. It seems unlikely that scum would be suggesting a Nightmare without them, and Abnegation/StD/Snivy are the ones in her proposal that don't have strong evidence pointing toward them not being scum.

i'm inclined to agree there's probably scum in that group.

[Abnegation]

It is. She DID leave crumbs, but they were well hidden enough that I don't think scum would have seen them naturally.

However I was also in what seemed to be a minority position townreading her, so maybe they guessed based on that?

Only one kill is good though, means that assuming cult functions similarly to the last iteration, they probably didn't successfully recruit anyone N1.

Do we actually know there's a cult, or are we just assuming because it's a Korina game?

i won't elaborate unless it's necessary, but there was something discussed in the nightmare that suggests it, in addition to it being a korina game and the last setup having one.

[Abnegation]

something is pinging me about ircher but idk what it is yet.

[Abnegation]

Well, I'm voting you because I looked through your ISO and saw that it was about 80% mech talk. That comes across to me as scum attempting to keep town distracted and not focus on actually finding scum.

i think that might just be how rauth is as a player. i've seen him do that as scum, but he also said he was playing his town meta that game, so i'm assuming he can post this way as either alignment.

[Abnegation]

Okay based on D3 play only I am thinking that Ircher is quite scummy. I will make a full case later on today, but for now you can have my vote.

VOTE: Ircher

Welp I have a few minutes.
And actually I don't have much of a case against Irchet, it's just vibes.

Based off 1552 there's scum in Abnegation/StD/Snivy

VOTE: StD

I'm not sure I follow. What makes you think that?

Like idk why but this doesn't feel in good faith.

It's possible, but it's a weird risk to take.

Is being in the nightmare really that much of an advantage?

VOTE: Ircher

Is this OMGUS, or is there an actual reason you're voting me here?

And neither do these.

interesting you get the same vibes. i don't think there's anything wrong with 2681 though?

[Abnegation]

no objections to massclaim and i didn't put drew in there.

[Abnegation]

there's more but this should be enough evidence for now.

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

That definitely sounds like a role which exists and makes total sense and there is nothing strange here at all. Story checks out.

scum: bianco (or whoever they were being replaced by), aureal, rauth, snivy!!!

Awww, how can you rat us out like this, partner?

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

what if...WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

Because WhAt If wE tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

[Abnegation]

i also have a 1-shot rolecop. i tried to target ircher n1 and was told my target is...voidfiend vigilante. which is rat's role. that means redirector game.

[Abnegation]

there is one more part of my role that i haven't shared yet. i'm not a regular mason, i'm a masonry traitor. i wasn't in the masonry at the start of the game, but i was aware of who all the masons were and knew they had a 2-shot traitor recruit to find me. that's why i had to be so obvious with the softing lol.
i was recruited n1.

[Abnegation]

We know that all information in role PMs are guaranteed to be accurate, so I can confidently say that I am not like some unintentional cult, which I was actually super paranoid about for a while.

That being said, the fact we had two town Traffic Analysts w/ Neighborizer + a trio of Masons makes me confident we are dealing with a cult, unless my role is supposed to be bad for town?

Can we get a list of people you've targeted so far? The Neighborhood isn't that important since we can't guarantee the alignment of the people in it

Sure,
N1: sheepsaysmeep
N2: sheepsaysmeep

did it not go through n1?

[Abnegation]

It is really odd how much specifically TA power there was, given the large amount of volatile PTs present making it useless to find Mafia and significantly weakened for catching cult.

maybe the traffic analysts were supposed to be weak.

[Abnegation]

Claim?

messenger

iirc, you said in the nightmare that your role "had a mailman component," not that it was your whole role. what was the reason for that?

[Abnegation]

if there were scum I want them to believe theres the possibility im important and could merit a potential roleblock or nightkill lol

i haven't even started to process all the claims but fair enough.

[Abnegation]

not even a trio of masons, there were 4 of us after i got recruited lol.

[Abnegation]

kkfc was roleblocked? when? by who?

[Abnegation]

ranger was likely roleblocked.

[Abnegation]

post 3000 is mine too.

[Abnegation]

I should probably look into this but was Abne TRing Titus/Kirigiri during d1?

Jesus Christ Abnegation reads hella Traitor with her d1 posting

what would be really funny is if the mafia or the masons could recruit the wrong traitor by mistake, but that would break the game lol.

[Abnegation]

Wouldn't the point of redirecting to someone like a miller just to create pointless results? Assuming the redirection was targetted at all

if it's a scum redirect, they might want to create pointless results.

[Abnegation]

i agree alarmist could be fake, but even then, it's very likely there's still cult and i'm worried about them becoming a problem.
not sure how much i can elaborate, but for now i will just say i think katy's claim is really weird and likely to be cult or at least anti-town.

[Abnegation]

I think a point against Katy being cultist is that he was willing to target me again last night after I suggested it; I dont rly see a mechanism that benefits from doing that lol

there is that.
as far as i can tell, though, it only applies if the cult works the same way as it did last game. which, i guess, isn't that much of a reach to assume?
idk. it's weird and i'm still sus of it.

[Abnegation]

@ranger - there is these from yesterday.

shouldve shot me after what happened last night smh

VOTE: std

im bored

i wanna bw one of aureal/std/maybe ircher? i really dont like ircher especially after trying to push a miller vig but random nurse was so towny

HURT: usesPython, Kyoko Kirigiri, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub, Radical Rat

are you willing to replace aureal w someone else

otherwise i can get behind this

HURT: Doctor Drew, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons, Radical Rat

With this knowledge, we can also conclude that either at least one person on this list is scum, or one person in the nightmare last night is cult. Which to pursue depends on the flip.

my guess is std

oh or aureal i didnt even see them lmao

[Abnegation]

what happens if absorber is used on a joat? does it absorb everything in the joat?
i looked at the wiki but absorber there is passive, rauth's variant is different.

[Abnegation]

Btw who was Aureal on n1/n2?

on me n1, didn't take an action n2.

[Abnegation]

why would a jester not self-hammer at e-1? is it a thing that jesters can't self-vote or something?

[Abnegation]

am i good to vote for your nightmare proposal, python, or is there anything that still needs to be worked out with regards to that?

[Abnegation]

We've been in WIFOM/anti-spew territory for Ircher like two IRL days now.

this

WIFOM, yes, but not anti-spew.

What is the purpose of WIFOMing when you're about to die as town, just delaying what we could learn and work with, makes no sense

yeah i agree with this.

[Abnegation]

It honestly sounds more like the kind of ability a third party would have to make up for the fact that they have to survive on their own to win.

You also never answered my question about why you couldn't reveal your flavor. Are you afraid that it will out you as scum?

like, what makes camel specifically third party here and not just scum?
idk this comment is weird.

[Abnegation]

i am sus of camel though.

[Abnegation]

HURT: usespython's proposal
VOTE: ircher

e-1.

[Abnegation]

It honestly sounds more like the kind of ability a third party would have to make up for the fact that they have to survive on their own to win.

You also never answered my question about why you couldn't reveal your flavor. Are you afraid that it will out you as scum?

like, what makes camel specifically third party here and not just scum?
idk this comment is weird.

What purpose does mafia have for an alignment cop? To tell whether someone was culted/third party? I don't know, that doesn't sound useful at all. A 3rd party on the other hand could really use the information that alignment cop provides and it makes more sense for stronger abilities to be on 3rd parties anyway from a balance perspective.

why does camel have to be trueclaiming? did i miss something?

[Abnegation]

so i lied, i had another shot of rolecop, std is a shadow man. idk what that means but it doesn't sound good.

[Abnegation]

That's my flavor I'm willing to fullclaim if people want

please do.