Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Konowa]

Konowa would like to say that it is going to be a pleasure playing with everyone.
VOTE: hiplop

[Konowa]

Konowa would like to know the distinction made by hiplop.

[Konowa]

Konowa is confused. Can Ansuz explain for the feeble minded?

[Konowa]

Konowa is all about the awkward tell during RVS, kthx. However, can kthx explain how kthx thinks that is scum posting "uncomfortably"?

[Konowa]

My vote on dex isn't as serious as my kater stage votes, but yet not pure RVS.

Reasoning then?
Ansuz can be town for now.
Konowa thinks that LynxKuroneko is going to be hard to read.

[Konowa]

I see only the Hiplop wagon. It's and RVS wagon so nothing there now.

Konowa would also like to note that this answer sidestepped dex's question.
Konowa believes this more adequately fits into that "awkward" tell.

[Konowa]

Konowa disagrees about d3x, Lynx.

In fact, Konowa believes that gameplay506 is being shifty, do not know if that is the word Konowa wants to use or not. Let Konowa explain. In post #26 d3x asks gamplay506 about the building wagons, which was later appropriately explained as gameplay506 handwaving them away in #27. Konowa noted that this answer sidestepped answering the question. Konowa thinks gameplay506 was being disingenuous when gameplay506 said that d3x was making a big deal out of it and is using it a springboard to vote d3x.

Konowa still does not like hiplop, but that is more gut.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: gameplay506

[Konowa]

Konowa had to make sure Konowa was reading the right posts correctly, because fuck kthxbye's and d3x's avatars being so similar. Looking it back over the "aggression" seems to come more from kthxbye then d3x.

[Konowa]

So yeah, Konowa will go with gameplay506 being a disingenuous scum.

[Konowa]

Konowa likes LynxKuroneko as town. This is mainly due to the back and forth between gameplay506 and LynxKuroneko. Konowa was worried that LynxKuroneko had some godawful posting restriction at first. Thankfully that is not the case.

Konowa is pretty set on gameplay506 being scum.

D3x lol just lol. I am wondering how can somebody twist posts like that. So lets get this right:In post 31 I say that in your post 28 you make a big deal of me calling the formed wagons RVS wagons.Yet note that I didn't vote you for this. Then in post 62 you continue making a big deal out of it and finally in post 82 I vote you for both things. So where exactly does the misrepping come from? You are just twisting it so bad. And considering this now I think the liar tag fits you better.

Nope, nope, nope. Clearly in post 31 gameplay506 says that d3x is making a big deal out of things and is using later posts for "aggressive" justification.

Post #146 is nothing but loaded questions designed more to frame d3x as scum rather than try to determine d3x's alignment.

Konowa feels like he needs to look at other people. Konowa will do that soon.

[Konowa]

Post #146 is nothing but loaded questions designed more to frame

d3x

LynxKuroneko as scum rather than try to determine

d3x's

LynxKuroneko's alignment.

Burning_Earth, why is LynxKuroneko scum?

[Konowa]

Konowa finds it really hard to see LynxKuroneko as scum after gameplay506's post #146. As Konowa said before, Konowa feels that the questions posed by gameplay506 are designed more to frame LynxKuroneko as scum rather than try and determine alignment. Konowa thinks that this is key as the -intent- there is not town motivated. Konowa does not know that Konowa is necessarily townreading LynxKuroneko (more of a null read at the moment) but that the attacks (gameplay506) and shitty vote (HighShroomish) are making Konowa hesitant.

Konowa has not looked at the link in question, but takes kthxbye's word that HighShroomish's play is similar. However, Konowa would caution that shitty town play is easy to fabricate as scum.

Konowa would settle for a hiplop lynch (straight gut) or perhaps even a Burning_Earth lynch. Konowa does not feel confident in lynching anything else.

[Konowa]

Konowa has already linked the questions once, and referenced it a second time. How about gameplay506 find them and then get back to Konowa?

[Konowa]

Konowa wishes that Konowa could, but alas Konowa can not sooooo, how about those questions? Or is gameplay506 just going to find ~reasons~ not to.

[Konowa]

Gameplay is not gonna search through your iso. At least not now. If you want to make a discussion with Gameplay quote those questions yourself.

If gameplay506 is going to taunt Konowa, at least do it right.

[Konowa]

Ah, thanks.

It is because none of the actual questions are questions to determine alignment, HighShroomish. The questions are questions that follow circular logic, LynxKuroneko is scum because X, therefore LynxKuroneko is scum. That along with gameplay506's disingenuous back-and-forth with d3x leave Konowa with the feeling that gameplay506 is scum.

[Konowa]

Feels like Konowa is stuck in a tunnel. Konowa will fix that today.

[Konowa]

The gods no longer love Konowa

[Konowa]

So reads list? Not much of a reads. Atm I think scum are Lynx,Osseus and maybe some of the lurkers/trolls. I need to look at the player list tho. Konowa is also viable.

Why is Osseus pseudotripodis scum?
Who are the lurkers/trolls?
What does "Konowa is viable" even mean?

Konowa actually has HighShroomish as lean town, if only because HighShroomish appeased Konowa earlier.
Konowa continues to forget that Mantisdreamz and hiplop are even in this game.
Mantisdreamz' one post of "gameplay506 seems town" bugs the ever living crap out of Konowa and Konowa thinks Mantisdreamz needs to start posting more. Now.
hiplop can eat a bullet, to be frank.

He clearly has a post restriction, dude. Stop being annoying.

d3x has the right of it.

[Konowa]

If gameplay506 is town; assuming his next two votes are scum.If gameplay506 is scum; assuming his next two votes are town.

This is shit.

[Konowa]

But yeah gonna let out the first piece of my awesome claim - I am something like a bulletproof. Maybe weaker, maybe stronger. Not gonna full claim tho.

If gameplay506 really is town, gameplay506 is doing an awful job of it.

[Konowa]

Konowa understand that it is an observation, LynxKuroneko. Konowa is letting LynxKuroneko that it is a shitty observation. There is no precursor to say that statement definitively. Assuming such will just lead LynxKuroneko down false negatives, so on and so forth.

Scum won't lynch each other...

And this is where LynxKuroneko is wrong, bussing happens. What town has to do is determine motivation/intent/all that jazz.

[Konowa]

Which is why Konowa said that LynxKuroneko needs to take intent and motivation into account when analyzing. There is no set science saying that a scum lynch D1 will be devoid of scum on the wagon or that that a town lynch on D1 will absolutely have scum on the wagon. Or even at this point the final two votes will be based on the flip of the lynch. Making assumptions like that will just lead LynxKuroneko down a bottle of cheap wine pressed by some backwater redneck where the ration of footfungus to grapes is so astronomical it makes Konowa puke just thinking about it.

[Konowa]

Anyways, Konowa would still like gameplay506 to answer post #270. Ignoring that and the shitty half claim does not do anything for Konowa.

[Konowa]

What is HighShroomish's read on gameplay506?

[Konowa]

Okay. But why?

[Konowa]

Why is Osseus pseudotripodis scum?
Who are the lurkers/trolls?
What does "Konowa is viable" even mean?

gameplay506, please answer these questions. Also, why is Burning_Earth scum?

[Konowa]

Gameplay is bluffing VOTE: Gameplay

And this is an awful vote.

But yeah gonna let out the first piece of my awesome claim - I am something like a bulletproof. Maybe weaker, maybe stronger. Not gonna full claim tho.

Sorry kthxbye, posts like these really do not do anything for Konowa. gameplay506 is going to lord a claim over town's head, and then give some halfclaim shit? How is this town? Konowa could go on for a myriad of reasons. However, gameplay506 has a "fuck-it" attitude so gameplay506 is likely town? Konowa is not buying it.

Talk to Konowa about mantizdreamz, kthxbye.

[Konowa]

Why is Osseus pseudotripodis scum?
Who are the lurkers/trolls?
What does "Konowa is viable" even mean?

gameplay506, please answer these questions. Also, why is Burning_Earth scum?

Konowa has been trying to get gameplay506 to answer these questions for some time now. Instead, gameplay506 has gone into "LALALA TOWN'LL BE SORRY GG" mode and not even attempting to respond to questions at this point.

[Konowa]

This is Konowa's problem. Konowa feels like Konowa is trying to get gameplay506 to interact and Konowa is getting nothing in return.

Konowa feels that hiplop, Burning_Earth, and Ansuz have gone awfully quiet recently.

unvote;

For now.

kthxbye, Konowa feels that that is an accurate assessment of Mantisdreamz to this point. Konowa just did not like the early "oh gameplay506 is town" post.
gameplay506, please answer the questions that Konowa has posed to gameplay506 repeatedly now.

[Konowa]

gameplay506, if gameplay506 please say who is scum and why in gameplay506's next post.

[Konowa]

Really not doing anything to alleviate Konowa. Instead of being obtuse and general, who is scum and why.

[Konowa]

Konowa thanks gameplay506 for at least acknowledging Konowa.

Vote: HighShroomish

[Konowa]

Konowa will listen to gameplay506's concerns when gameplay506 stops playing the "woe is gameplay506" card.

[Konowa]

Meaning, tell Konowa who is scum and why. Only what Konowa has been asking gameplay506 for awhile now.

[Konowa]

You are trying as hard as you can to make my claim look fake.

Are those your words or are they not? Did you or did you not say that you'd die at the end of the same Day phase as the Kill attempt? Then did you or did you not say that you would die at the end of the following Day phase as the Night Kill attempt?

p.edit- So we should look at BE, me, hiplop, TM, OP, maybe Konowa, and "other people" after you flip? M'kay....

Just to remind gameplay506. This was the end of a converstation, so context is needed. But Konowa agrees with d3x's assessment of the conversation.

[Konowa]

To give some real reads. Like Konawa has been asking for for the past 10 pages.

Exactly. Who is scum, and why. Konowa has been trying to get gameplay506 to post this for awhile now.

[Konowa]

You are trying as hard as you can to make my claim look fake.

Are those your words or are they not? Did you or did you not say that you'd die at the end of the same Day phase as the Kill attempt? Then did you or did you not say that you would die at the end of the following Day phase as the Night Kill attempt?

p.edit- So we should look at BE, me, hiplop, TM, OP, maybe Konowa, and "other people" after you flip? M'kay....

Just to remind gameplay506. This was the end of a converstation, so context is needed. But Konowa agrees with d3x's assessment of the conversation.

[Konowa]

Just to make it clear.

[Konowa]

You are trying as hard as you can to make my claim look fake.

Are those your words or are they not? Did you or did you not say that you'd die at the end of the same Day phase as the Kill attempt? Then did you or did you not say that you would die at the end of the following Day phase as the Night Kill attempt?

p.edit- So we should look at BE, me, hiplop, TM, OP, maybe Konowa, and "other people" after you flip? M'kay....

Just to remind gameplay506. This was the end of a converstation, so context is needed. But Konowa agrees with d3x's assessment of the conversation.

[Konowa]

So why has gameplay506 been ignoring Konowa for the past some pages when Konowa has been asking this question? This issue has stretched over a couple of days, yet gameplay506 has seen fit to post, and post, and then post some more, yet Konowa still gets ignored.

[Konowa]

Konowa will lynch gameplay506 or HighShroomish today. That is it.

[Konowa]

If

[Konowa]

What?

[Konowa]

But yeah gonna let out the first piece of my awesome claim - I am something like a bulletproof. Maybe weaker, maybe stronger. Not gonna full claim tho.

If gameplay506 really is town, gameplay506 is doing an awful job of it.

There.

[Konowa]

Konowa is going to leave the thread at this point. If at said point tomorrow there is no reads, Konowa will vote gameplay506.

[Konowa]

Stop being a dick.

[Konowa]

None of that says who scum is though? A bunch of null leaning this way or that with little to no analysis?

[Konowa]

Konowa does not understand this last post.

[Konowa]

Out of context, page 18 can look weird. However, when geraintm takes into consideration that Konowa has been asking for reads from gameplay506 for close to 200 posts, perhaps it makes a little more sense. Or does geraintm disagree?

Konowa also disagrees with the sentiment that in no way was gameplay506 getting lynched. Qualifying the pressure put on gameplay506 as pointless seems rather off.

[Konowa]

It actually is quite enlightening.

[Konowa]

I could give you right away an example of my role on another site. It's not fictional.Also I may have an active ability. Who knows *giggle*

unvote;

Vote: gameplay506

[Konowa]

Konowa does not care at this point. gameplay506's behavior is scum. gameplay506 is still lording a claim over town's head, adding onto the claim even. gameplay506 has effectively shut down any and all attempts at trying to scumhunt. This may be town becoming frustrated at being run up, however Konowa would have thought that when pressure was relieved that gameplay506 would have done something other than be a dick. Konowa thinks his reads on the people in question is a bunch of crap as it is all null with a slight lean this or that with zero actual analysis behind it. Konowa does not believe that gameplay506 has said, outside of LynxKuroneko, who scum actually is.

Konowa really does not see Konowa voting for anyone else today.
gameplay506 needs to go.

[Konowa]

Kin wuh not talk in third person?

Konowa can not lest Konowa anger the gods.

[Konowa]

Konowa prays to the gods that there is a vig.

unvote;
Vote: HighShroomish

[Konowa]

So Konowa could not remember a single post of hiplop's and so when Osseus pseudotripodis voted hiplop Konowa decided to see why.

For me its a dillemma. GP is being annoying as fuck and harmful to town, unfortunately I think hes aligned with town. Is it better to get rid of an anti-town town player (who may be scum) or a IMO better chance at a scum player? I'm going with #2 but it is difficult.

The hedging

is

quite strong in this post.

For [redacted] reasons, Konowa feels that this is par for the course for a town hiplop though. Konowa feels much better with a HighShroomish lynch.

[Konowa]

Inactivity has little to do with why Konowa wants to lynch HighShroomish.

So we have two people who decide to call everyone on their wagon scum in one game. Nice.

This post preceded both Osseus pseudotripodis and Konowa's vote. Konowa agreed with Osseus pseudotripodis's post #389. Between post #231, where it appears that HighShroomish is reading gameplay506 as town, and the above generalization of scumminess without drawing any conclusions, Konowa felt that that was enough to vote for HighShroomish. Does Mantisdreamz disagree with the reasoning behind the vote or the vote itself?

Konowa unvoted gameplay506 to see if giving gameplay506 a little bit of rope would help gameplay506 contribute without constant threat of a lynch. Alas, it has not.

[Konowa]

I am happy to vote someone I consider no use to town

This distinction is quite rich.

[Konowa]

Does geraintm disagree that gameplay506 has no use to the town?

[Konowa]

Konowa is once again loved by the gods.

Konowa will post shortly.

This has been a prod dodge.

[Konowa]

So Konowa is being lazy and likes either Ansuz or HighShroomish votes since Konowa thinks the likelihood of Ansuz and HighShroomish being scum together is high.

Vote: Ansuz

For posterity, building on Tunnel's earlier post about Ansuz, distinction between hiplop and HighShroomish equals a big fat zero.

[Konowa]

Konowa has been pretty apathetic about this Day. Lack of death makes Konowa not really want to do anything.

Mantisdreamz, why is Konowa scum?

[Konowa]

Konowa will get to the spaz of posts from Ansuz in a second, but Konowa believes that Konowa has already answered Mantisdreamz's questions in a previous post. Konowa believes that post #550 will give Mantisdreamz answers to Mantisdreamz questions.

[Konowa]

Mantisdreamz read of Konowa seems more confbias/dislike of playstyle than an actual scum read. Even if HighShroomish's post #388 is sarcasm, it is still scummy for reasons outlined. Does Mantisdreamz disagree?

Konowa does not know why Mantisdreamz says that HighShroomish can't be read.

Konowa is having a hard time following Ansuz and doesn't actually know who Ansuz thinks is scum outside of geraintm.

[Konowa]

kthxbye claiming hider who hid behind d3x solidifies townreads on both of the slots. Konowa thinks that kthxbye should also consider hiding behind geraintm depending on replacement of gameplay506 slot.

For Konowa just through POE scum has to be in {Ansuz, TunnelMates, Mantisdreamz, HighShroomish, Burning_Earth}.
geraintm is left outside this list temporarily due to claim/possible confirmation from hider.
Bert's apathy seems to match that of a recently completed game where Bert was town.
Konowa doesn't remember anything of Burning_Earth's play at all?

[Konowa]

Konowa thinks HighShroomish is scum.

[Konowa]

Apathy alone isn't enough for Konowa to POE TunnelMates.

Konowa doesn't understand this latest line of thoughts. Mantisdreamz asked about the read and Konowa replied with the why. Not going through any extra effort to defend a vote when Konowa is being questioned about it.

Konowa also doesn't understand what being sticky with the read now means?

[Konowa]

Konowa did what Mantisdreamz said specifically to see how gameplay506 would react when not under pressure. Konowa does not understand why this makes Konowa scum unless Mantisdreamz tends to believe that Konowa is scum with gameplay506, which obviously isn't the case.

Lack of posts, mutually exclusive, HighShroomis is scum. Something along those lines.
Especially when Konowa has given reasons as to why Konowa believes HighShroomish to be scum. HighShroomish asked softball questions and generalized statements without making a single stance on anything. If Mantisdreamz disagrees with reasons, Konowa is fine with that. But going "nope not enough content" is crap.

[Konowa]

Also, the sticky thing is a bit misleading since HighShroomish is being replaced. Obviously Konowa is sticking with the scum read. Replacement, etc.

[Konowa]

Wait, what?

[Konowa]

So Mantisdreamz goes from not being able to read HighShroomish to implying that HighShroomish is scum.

unvote;
Vote: Mantisdreamz

[Konowa]

Meanwhile Mantisdreamz conveniently ignores this in Mantisdreamz logic:

Also, the sticky thing is a bit misleading since HighShroomish is being replaced. Obviously Konowa is sticking with the scum read. Replacement, etc.

[Konowa]

Well then agree to disagree.

[Konowa]

That isn't the sole reason why Konowa thinks HighShroomish is scum, and Konowa said so in post #882. Konowa thinks HighShroomish's softball questions, Konowa doesn't feel like indexing them but it shouldn't be hard to find, and lack of overall stance is indicative of scum play. Combine that with the number of townreads Konowa has, Konowa feels it is plenty to call HighShroomish scum.

[Konowa]

Konowa welcomes the new players into the game!

Konowa wishes for Thor665 to confirm that Thor665 was not shot last night.
Josh_B is scum because Josh_B replaced into the HighShroomish slot who was scum. Mantisdreamz would have Thor665 think otherwise due to lack of posts made by HighShroomish. If Konowa remembers correctly Thor665 doesn't read much when replacing in, is this correct?

Josh_B should list scum in next post.

[Konowa]

Ok not hit. So it's not me guys.

VOTE: Lynx

Thor665 took over gameplay506's slot. gameplay506 claimed Revenant, where if gameplay506 was shot gameplay506 would not die during Night but at the end of the next Day phase. Konowa is asking Thor665 to confirm that the slot was not shot overnight.

What about Konowa's posting restriction does not seem legit?

[Konowa]

What are Thor665's thoughts on Manstisdreamz?

[Konowa]

The logic is that gameplay506 turned into a troll on gameplay506's way out of the game. Konowa wouldn't have put it past gameplay506 to withhold information from town especially after the way gameplay506 lorded the claim over town's heads yesterday and seemed to string it along. Reason Konowa was asking Thor665 to confirm.

And yes, the restriction is meaningless, dumb and annoying and Konowa has yelled at fferyllt already quite a few times. As Thor665 has deduced it is no pronouns and Konowa failed it once D1. The gods forgave Konowa during Night and once again the gods love Konowa.

Konowa thinks Mantisdreamz is scum thus the vote. The back and forth was just the last two pages, not too far back for Thor665 to read.

[Konowa]

Konowa is literally Loved as long as Konowa sticks to the post restriction. Konowa failed the post restriction in post #152 and as crumbed later Konowa lost the Loved condition. More, but Konowa would have to full claim then.

[Konowa]

Konowa didn't think too much of Mantisdreamz until Mantisdreamz went from "can't read HighShroomish/Josh_B" to "certainty of Konowa's read on the slot perhaps Konowa is bussing an inactive scum member". The logic doesn't follow to Konowa.

Seems that Mantisdreamz was hedging on HighShroomish/Josh_B due to lack of posts and using Konowa's case to push Konowa as scum. Konowa understands disagreement, but it feels to Konowa that Mantisdreamz is using disagreement to say Konowa is scum?

[Konowa]

Konowa does not think that Konowa has ever played with Mantisdreamz before? Why is this relevant?

[Konowa]

Quick reading that, Konowa would also like to understand the vote/unvote/vote/unvote of HighShroomish D1 given Mantisdreamz has said "lack of content can't read".

[Konowa]

it was your unvote of gameplay at the time you unvoted that i found odd. and then when i discovered that your reasoning was 'you wanted to give him more rope so that he might respond better without being under the threat of a lynch', i found slightly odder. and did state that isn't putting a scum read under pressure a good thing?

Responded to everything else already, and Konowa feels that Konowa has already tried to explain this as well but will try again.

gameplay506 went into straight troll mode when gameplay506 was run up. Konowa wanted reads from gameplay506 but gameplay506 was pretty much saying "screw off". So, Konowa decided that if the threat of a lynch was removed but pressure was still applied gameplay506 would actually do something. As Konowa said D1, it didn't do anything. Now Konowa said this earlier as well, this line of logic you are pushing: Why would Konowa put pressure on gameplay506 but unvote gameplay506 makes it seem as if Mantisdreamz thinks that Konowa is attempting some sort of distancing from gameplay506. If this is the case then as Konowa said earlier this line of logic only makes sense if Mantisdreamz thinks the gameplay506/Thor665 slot is scum, but Mantisdreamz doesn't. Hence why Konowa doesn't understand why this line of logic is being pushed.

Thor665, is this what Thor665 means possibly by your earlier question?

[Konowa]

d3x, what VCA?

[Konowa]

Konowa keeps forgetting that Burning_Earth is in this game.

[Konowa]

can you refresh my memory... when did you drop your scum read of GP? or did you?

gameplay506 fell into the "null, hopefully gameplay506 gets shot category so Konowa wouldn't have to think about gameplay506" during Night. Konowa felt that Konowa spent too much of D1 in a tunnel and decided to ignore gameplay506 as discussion with gameplay506 was going nowhere. Konowa still isn't getting overwhelmingly Town vibes from Thor665 either, but that might be due to paranoia. Konowa thinks that kthxbye should still target Thor665 with kthxbye's hider action.

I think that Konowa looks town.

I'd describe him as "active" and "aggressive", which are points that I normally don't use to describe him in general but even less so when he's scum.

In particular, this post looks like the "not caring town" you seem to have magically found in BE because it comes after a lot of patient digging and prodding found in #86 and #270.

Curiosity piqued.
Ansuz, is a Nacho/Desperado hydra? Yes? When has Konowa played with either of these heads?

Josh_B, what about posts #152 and #211 does Josh_B not like? Vagueness does not become Josh_B.

[Konowa]

Konowa has a bad memory then. Sorry. This is Konowa's third iteration on the site.

[Konowa]

Konowa, why are claiming to have forgotten that Burning Earth is in this game when you asked other players to explain their scum read on Burning Earth specifically?

Now back to subject matter.

Konowa finds this a little disingenuous since Konowa did a quick ctrl+f of Burning_Earth in Konowa's iso and Konowa only asked gameplay506 to explain the read and that should be pretty self explanatory since Konowa was asking gameplay506 to explain a multitude of things.

The very fact that Konowa forgot about Burning_Earth but listed Burning_Earth in Konowa's POE scum list makes it seem like a good vote.

unvote;
Vote: Burning_Earth

[Konowa]

--> , Nacho.

[Konowa]

Those are buzzwords that don't say anything.

[Konowa]

d3x should should the larger Burning_Earth wagon then.

[Konowa]

considered it, but I'm a capitalist at heart. Competition should prove fruitful.

Konowa is all for competing wagons as well, but the Josh_B wagon isn't competing against, well, anything. Konowa is up for Josh_B swinging as well, but it seems very few else agree.

[Konowa]

Okay.

unvote;
Vote: Josh_B

[Konowa]

Konowa, Lynx comes off scummy to me. He is saying one thing and doing another. I think anyone can see that. But, rather than look at Lynx's play, you are basing your read on him off of the people that are reading him scummy. In 211, your failure to take a solid stance on Lynx comes off as defensive. Rather than taking what Lynx has said in comparison to what Gameplay has said, you continue to paint gameplay as disingenuous scum. Even though I'm speaking about 211 in the game, your solid stance on this goes all the way back to 43 when you say that lynx is going to be hard to read.
I think this is tunneling and defensive.

I definitely think Lynx is scummy, and I feel like Lynx flipping scum is the only thing that is going to prove I'm town at this point. So he gets my vote this DP, you and BurningEarth are close seconds.

First, post #43 was when LynxKuroneko was posting fluff and Konowa didn't know if it was going to be a playstyle thing or a posting restriction. If Josh_B is going to post things, context is needed.

Second, Josh_B is acting like no one has ever figured out town by a scummy attack. A is likely to be town because of B's shitty attack. This happens -all- the time. So what Konowa wants to know is why instead of addressing Konowa's points on why Konowa thought gameplay506 was scum, Josh_B is going straight to whatever it is Josh_B is doing.

Third, why would LynxKuroneko's scum flip make Josh_B conftown?

[Konowa]

Konowa would like Mantisdreamz thoughts on Josh_B.

[Konowa]

Konowa asks d3x to join Burning_Earth wagon, d3x graciously denies.
Konowa joins the Josh_B wagon, d3x votes Burning_Earth.

[Konowa]

First, post #43 was when LynxKuroneko was posting fluff and Konowa didn't know if it was going to be a playstyle thing or a posting restriction. If Josh_B is going to post things, context is needed.

Second, Josh_B is acting like no one has ever figured out town by a scummy attack. A is likely to be town because of B's shitty attack. This happens -all- the time. So what Konowa wants to know is why instead of addressing Konowa's points on why Konowa thought gameplay506 was scum, Josh_B is going straight to whatever it is Josh_B is doing.

Third, why would LynxKuroneko's scum flip make Josh_B conftown?

I will admit that my predecessors vote was empty, but it didn't have any scum intentions (I got a role PM that says it didn't). I'm glad to see that you at least admit that Lynx was posting fluff. We can both agree on that. Maybe we can also agree that it's fair to vote for people posting fluff. It's not about Gameplay, it's about your read on lynx. It seems like you were intentionally ignoring his actions.

Let's talk about the Lynch. At one point, you said,

hiplop can eat a bullet, to be frank.

but then later

Konowa feels that this is par for the course for a town hiplop though.

, but

distinction between hiplop and HighShroomish equals a big fat zero

So which was it Konawa? Did you think hiplop was town, or did you think he was scum?

I don't know about conftown, I was tired when wrote that.

This post is enough for Konowa to park Konowa's vote for the day.

[Konowa]

If explanation is needed, Konowa will oblige.

[Konowa]

Konowa is going to be busy over the weekend due to Labor Day festivities. Konowa will try and sneak in some posting later tonight.

[Konowa]

In reference to Mantisdreamz question in post #1052 just off top of head, Osseus pseudotripodis is town and Ansuz is null leaning scum.

What are the reasons for these two being scum? Konowa will have to go back and look as to why Konowa thought Ansuz was scum at the beginning of the Day.

[Konowa]

That is correct, LynxKuroneko.

@fferyllt: If a hider hides behind a delayed death townie and the delayed death townie gets shot, does the hider die?

Konowa thinks regardless of answer of this question, kthxbye should hide behind Thor665 regardless. LynxKuroneko has it right, telling scum that kthxbye is going to hide behind LynxKuroneko is more lose than win. If LynxKuroneko is scum then obv we lynch LynxKuroneko, if LynxKuroneko is town scum will target LynxKuroneko and kill two town. For all the reasons kthxbye outlined earlier in the Day, hiding behind Thor665 is the optimal play. The above question to the fferyllt is to clear up any and all outcomes of hiding behind Thor665.

Konowa wants Josh_B or Burning_Earth lynched Today.

[Konowa]

Would much rather lynch Lynx or Konowa. Even Mantis or Osseus

Why to all of these?

[Konowa]

For all the reasons that kthxbye stated in post #841 makes hiding behind Thor665 the more optimal play. If kthxbye disagrees, that is fine. As Konowa said, if kthxbye hides behind LynxKuroneko and kthxbye turns up dead, we lynch LynxKuroneko. Plain and simple. Konowa is weighing the pros and cons of who kthxbye hides behind. If scumLynxKuroneko, kthxbye dies, we lynch LynxKuroneko. If townLynxKuroneko, likely both LynxKuroneko and kthxbye die. If scumThor665, kthxbye dies, we lynch Thor665. If townThor665, kthxbye dies likely still waiting on fferyllt to answer hypothetical question, but Thor665 lives another Day as confirmed Town. Is this wrong?

Concept of the game? Roles are based on runes obviously.

[Konowa]

Then target Konowa with the hide tonight. Hopefully scum will target Konowa and Konowa will die and Konowa would no longer have to post like this.

[Konowa]

Konowa will respond more after Konowa steps away because saying someone is epic lurk shortly after:

@Mod - would it be possible to get an extra day or two due to the posting slump happening over Labor Day weekend - since I've replaced in not every player has posted, and since I've been active many have only posted once, so I feel there's a reasonable argument that it's not been possible to get much dialogue going and I think it's also reasonable to suggest it's due to the holiday rather than player sucktitude.

Konowa can't even.

[Konowa]

Or Konowa wasn't around. Of course roles are based on runes, but why would Fehu be Vanilla? See where Konowa is going with this? Thor665 is working really hard on some outguessing the mod. Konowa has no flavor knowledge of why, nor does it say why in Konowa's role, Wunjo representing over the top joy, comfort, pleasure, fellowship, harmony, and prosperity would not be able to use pronouns. Konowa knows that Konowa's role is confirmable, hi! Konowa is Loved (Lynch+1) as long as Konowa doesn't use pronouns, so Konowa could care less that Thor665 doesn't believe Konowa's restriction. Run Konowa up Today to a normal lynch, seven votes and Konowa won't be lynched.

unvote;
Vote: Konowa

[Konowa]

Maybe because fferyllt wanted to design a fun game? You really are deep in some outguessing the mod, Konowa can't tell if it's scum or just badTown.

[Konowa]

SHIT.

[Konowa]

What happens when Konowa doesn't preview. Konowa has now lost the Loved part, again, and is now normal so Konowa can't confirm Konowa's role.

unvote;

If Town doesn't believe Konowa, have kthxbye hide behind Konowa.

[Konowa]

Then have kthxbye hide behind Konowa.

Konowa will vote for either Josh_B or Burning_Earth.

Konowa is done with this Day otherwise.

[Konowa]

Because if Konowa slips three times, Konowa becomes Hated (Lynch -1) and loses Konowa's vote for the day. Konowa didn't want to try and prove the claim this way, but it might be easier. The Loved/Hated condition is removed in LYLO but the removal of the vote still occurs in LYLO if Konowa slips three times. Town doesn't likely need Konowa's vote for the Day, so whatever.

So anyways, Thor665 outside of this foolish attempt to say Konowa is scum for some outlandish outguess the mod Thor665 is in, why is Konowa scum?

[Konowa]

Really don't think this is TownThor665.

[Konowa]

No.
Well, you can add in his "slip" right after the claim preventing us from testing it and also his earlier post where he claimed he wasn't allowed to post without his restriction and his claim today wherein he clearly indicates he can, albeit with a penalty - but all of that is connected to the core issue of 'I think he's lying bout the posting restriction'.

Thor665 means this? Yeah, that still falls under the category of "Konowa's role is crap". Reasonable expectations can probably say when LYLO is Thor665.

Let's ignore the part that can further prove Konowa's claim, but hey, that would give Thor665 one less thing to actually talk about.

Konowa feels like Konowa is falling into the same tunnel on the same slot held by two different people.

[Konowa]

Sure.

Vote: Thor665

[Konowa]

No. Just helping confirm.

[Konowa]

What's interesting is Thor665's outlandish idea that one can not reasonably deduce when LYLO is and trying to somehow spin that.

[Konowa]

Yep.

[Konowa]

Contacted me D1, thus the crumb drop gods no longer love Konowa.

[Konowa]

Konowa went over this thoroughly with fferyllt. Konowa is sure. If fferyllt didn't catch it, then that's on fferyllt, not Konowa.

[Konowa]

As for the LYLO talk, Town is pretty smart to know when LYLO is occurring. Fact that there was -zero- kills N1, makes it pretty evident that there are no 3rd party scum.

[Konowa]

Is Thor665 counting -all- pronoun use, or just D2 pronoun use?

[Konowa]

Doesn't matter at this point, there is at least two D2 so I will force it at this point and say third there just to clear this entire situation up.

unvote;
Vote: Konowa

To make sure vote change occurs after third slip.

[Konowa]

Was always per Day. Which is why I crumbed that I was loved again by the Gods at the beginning of D2.

[Konowa]

That would be correct.

If by pro-scum, Thor665 mean negative utility towards Town, yes?

Konowa has slipped three times but is continuing the restriction because Konowa has found that it forces Konowa to slow down, reread Konowa's posts, and think a little more. Konowa has no idea how Zorblag did this intentionally for so long.

[Konowa]

feebs, etc.

Konowa would be placing a vote on Josh_B here if Konowa had a vote.

[Konowa]

Because if Konowa slips three times, Konowa becomes Hated (Lynch -1)

and loses Konowa's vote for the day

. Konowa didn't want to try and prove the claim this way, but it might be easier. The Loved/Hated condition is removed in LYLO but the removal of the vote still occurs in LYLO if Konowa slips three times. Town doesn't likely need Konowa's vote for the Day, so whatever.

Town has four votes for Josh_B with seven needed to lynch, Town can get three more.

[Konowa]

@d3x - I agree with your issues raised about Josh insomuch as I think they show poor play. That said, Josh doesn't really strike me as scum who would do a lot of research, and his catch on Konowa is a reasonable catch to at least ask about - and the fact that he *noticed* the turns in Konowa's attitude makes me feel like he's actually putting in work and trying to figure out some stuff. You don't think that translates to town points?

Konowa's problem with it is how Josh_B is attempting to show Konowa's stance on hiplop as scum with the way Josh_B is framing the question.

So which was it Konawa? Did you think hiplop was town, or did you think he was scum?

Konowa believes the entire context makes since instead of snipping out three small quotes.

Also, Josh_B continues to side step the fact that Konowa thought that LynxKuroneko was likely Town due to gameplay506's shitty attack and HighShroomish's shitty vote. Josh_B didn't want to address Konowa's thoughts on why gameplay506 was scum but skipped it and said because Konowa was attacking gameplay506 who was attacking LynxKuroneko therefore Konowa is somehow scum defending LynxKuroneko.

Josh_B makes two posts about LynxKuroneko and then forgets all about LynxKuroneko. Something with all of that isn't right.

[Konowa]

Why would geraintm say that's a slip?

[Konowa]

d3x, Konowa thinks that post #1247 is from Osseus pseudotripodis' perspective because Osseus pseudotripodis is likely to be shot by geraintm tonight by all accounts.

[Konowa]

Given the paranoia Konowa has seen between d3x and kthxbye in a few games now, Konowa could see a hider kthxbye hiding behind d3x D1 to clear that paranoia.

[Konowa]

Umm, in what ways was gameplay506 obv town?

[Konowa]

As for the LYLO talk, Town is pretty smart to know when LYLO is occurring. Fact that there was -zero- kills N1, makes it pretty evident that there are no 3rd party scum.

I would agree with this. I have a vig but for there to be a serial killer in the game who resisted the temptation to shoot would be something

(Prays no one looks through my old games )

Yeah let's not let this BS slide either. This is a Mini game. An X-Shot Serial Killer is much more reasonable. That or you targeted Kthx N1 and that's why there was no kill...

Konowa doesn't know why, but this really bugs Konowa.

Does Osseus pseudotripodis disagree with Konowa with the fact that there were -zero- night kills N1 that a third party is unlikely?

[Konowa]

More gut, but Konowa doesn't like LynxKuroneko's D2 play. It is falling into the realm of a player who is following the game and not actually playing. Konowa is glad kthxbye is hiding behind LynxKuroneko Tonight as it will clear up quite a bit.

[Konowa]

LynxKuroneko, how does Konowa's slipup leave doubt for LynxKuroneko on whether Konowa is town or not?

Also, Konowa does not know what to make of this

Konowa (Unloved.

But its funny how you were all about defending me D1, then once your Post Restriction situation got out of your control, you decided to go after me. Trying to get heat off yourself?

Overall good at pointing out player interactions (ISO for details))

assessment of Konowa since Konowa does not believe to be true.

Konowa thinks there is more that Konowa wants to say, but c[_] first.

[Konowa]

Konowa knows what Konowa wanted to say.

kthxbye, what about post #1311 leaves you with a town feeling of LynxKuroneko? It may just be Konowa, but that entire post just reads ass IIOA. Given there is -some- analysis in LynxKuroneko's star points at the end, but it leaves Konowa feeling greatly underwhelmed.

[Konowa]

Just over 12 hours to hammer, however there should absolutely not be a hammer until kthxbye confirms who kthxbye is hiding behind N2.

[Konowa]

And that's why Thor665 probably finds Mantisdreamz more townish than LynxKuroneko.

[Konowa]

Konowa was thinking that too, Mantisdreamz. The entire sentence seems to fall apart if Mantisdreamz' bolded was Burning_Earth as LynxKuroneko stated. Would like LynxKuroneko to clarify this.

Mantisdreamz, Mantisdreamz also said that Mantisdreamz does not like LynxKuroneko's D2 play. What about it?

[Konowa]

Also, smurf if Thor665 is having similar thoughts as Konowa.

[Konowa]

Vote: Ansuz

[Konowa]

So Konowa is being lazy and likes either Ansuz or HighShroomish votes since Konowa thinks the likelihood of Ansuz and HighShroomish being scum together is high.

Vote: Ansuz

For posterity, building on Tunnel's earlier post about Ansuz, distinction between hiplop and HighShroomish equals a big fat zero.

For reference.

Which means Bert is Town.

[Konowa]

Thor665, sadly, is Town, because Konowa thinks HighShroomish was white knighting gameplay506 D1. Don't feel like find the exact post just now.
d3x is Town.
kthxbye still being alives makes Konowa paranoid, but Konowa feels that thought processes/motivations have been similar to Konowa all game so likely Town, thus Burning_Earth is likely Town as well.
Leaves Osseus pseudotripodis or LynxKuroneko as final scum.

What does what have to do with Bert?

[Konowa]

Bert's case on Ansuz doesn't come across as scum building on scum. Since Konowa thinks Ansuz is likely scum at this point, Bert is likely Town.

[Konowa]

There was also the meta read Bert put out on Konowa D2 "definitive reads, etc" that Konowa thinks if Bert/notsci was scum, that notsci would have said something about Alice in Wonderland where Konowa was scum and pretty wishy-washy all game to try and use to discredit Konowa.

[Konowa]

Well.

[Konowa]

Konowa is off to work, but does Bert disagree with the vote on Ansuz or Konowa's reads in #1393?

[Konowa]

Odd as in N1/N3 so on and so forth.

unvote;
Vote: Burning_Earth

[Konowa]

Saw it, but don't think it's alignment relevant on Burning_Earth? Is there context Konowa is missing?

[Konowa]

Screwy, yes. Not too hard to try and figure out though.

Ansuz shot ger.
ger -was- going to shoot Osseus pseudotripodis, but Mantisdreamz dies instead.

Lack of N1 kill suggested no third party.
ger flipping vig, Ansuz claiming vig, reinforces no third party.
Mantisdreamz dying instead of Osseus pseudotripodis suggests possible scum redirector role of some kind?

Votes today should be Burning_Earth though. This, in Konowa's opinion, should be one of those short Days.

[Konowa]

Strong-willed, yeah?

[Konowa]

Is Thor665 equating strong-willed to that of a strongman role? Is that why Thor665 says Night actions are screwy?

[Konowa]

Very quickly posting, nearly midnight here.
I don't think I can win at the moment. I am going to shoot someone tonight. If it goes through, then people will go and say I am a serial killer and want me dead.
If it doesn't then they will lynch me.

I have this massive fear I am going to be blocked from my shot tonight.
I'll explain why, and why I think people think my shot won't go through.

My role said I am a one shot vig.
But if I wait till the third night my shot is immune to all interference except protection. (I believe when I claimed I said my role had caveats. This is it)

Do people think that it is likely that scum have a way of blocking my shot somehow?

[Konowa]

Fine.

VOTE: Konowa

If you lackwits do that without demanding certain people *cough*B_E*cough* get n it first, I will be

This.

If this is going to happen now, kthxbye and d3x need to unvote for the time being.

Burning_Earth and LynxKuroneko need to vote, then d3x and kthxbye can revote and Konowa will cast the fifth vote.
Konowa doesn't want to slip so Konowa will shut up till then.

[Konowa]

Konowa has the conditional Loved/Hated status until LYLO at which point it is removed. However, Konowa losing Konowa's vote is still a thing if Konowa slips on the posting stuff.

[Konowa]

Something, something LynxKuroneko "absorbed" Mantisdreamz essence, meaning LynxKuroneko probably is an ability cop now?

[Konowa]

The idea of ger shooting Mantisdreamz is pretty silly, Thor665. Thor665 should read ger D2 in regards to Mantisdreamz.

[Konowa]

This is all trivial at this point, because Burning_Earth needs lynching. Then game can probably be won tomorrow and then Konowa can finally stop talking like this.

[Konowa]

Really don't see the reason as Thor665 pointed out, Konowa did lose Konowa's vote after appropriate slips which validates Konowa's posting restriction, but if this is going to be a thing there should be no more votes until Burning_Earth votes.

[Konowa]

I was hid behind.

The hider is not dead.

I have the largest wagon? Seriously?

Oh odd-night hider I see.

Yeah I mean I don't know why the scum didn't target me, that was a real weird move by them. Idiots.

Konowa doesn't know where the NK is.

Konowa believes that Burning_Earth should be lynched off of these two posts in combination with the fact that Burning_Earth didn't die despite kthxbye saying loudly that kthxbye would hide behind Burning_Earth. The lack of shot there is more telling than anything else if Thor665 wants to do NKA.

The second post is practically a scum claim.

[Konowa]

So - scum doc? Scum BP?

In this scenario, would strong-willed override doc or block? Would they cancel each other out? Konowa is lacking knowledge there. Was ger -really- strong-willed, or was ger only strong-willed N3 like ger said. If the second, then a scum doc, block, or bulletproof makes sense as to why hydrawithlongname is still alive, but Thor665 isn't arguing that? Konowa may have been overlooking the lack of hydrawithlongname NK because there are too many variables and the Burning_Earth situation is easier to explain.

[Konowa]

Please don't try to convince me that B_E looks scummy. I do not wish to debate that,

and as I indicated I think a vast number of players are trying very hard to justify themselves as scum today.

Who is this in reference to?

There's a reason I've called B_E dead-weight for a while

Explain please.

[Konowa]

Konowa will be the fifth vote on Konowa's wagon and then will unvote next post as d3x has suggested. Konowa will be around until 5ish GMT-4 time.

[Konowa]

Vote: Konowa

[Konowa]

unvote;

[Konowa]

Moving along now.

[Konowa]

Final scum probably between the two of them.

Vote: Burning_Earth

More confident in this though.

[Konowa]

Don't remember if Konowa's vote is in play.

Vote: Burning_Earth

Feels so good, especially after the last post.

[Konowa]

Lynch one of BE or OP, Hide behind the other, and have Lynx check out Ansuz. This is the path to glory

[Konowa]

Vote: OP

[Konowa]

Konowa would only consider multiple killing factions if game continues after OPscum is lynched.

[Konowa]

Konowa thinks Konowa has kills figured out, but it's pretty wonky so no need to really share since OP is likely scum and game over.

[Konowa]

What Thor is trying to say is if there is two one-shot vigs, ger's shot is still missing from N2 and Ansuz claimed ger shot N2. So why is there two deaths N3? Which Konowa understands why Thor thinks third party.

[Konowa]

Konowa is going to be giddy if Konowa is right about the kills

[Konowa]

N3's 2 deaths were a bodyguard and a Hider. There's only 1 kill.

The easiest explanation for N2 is a BP OPScum.

Actually, correct.

Theory out the window. What happens when you are sleep deprived.

[Konowa]

Whatever, "pronoun".

[Konowa]

Konowa was moreso quoting the first half of that quote.

Self targeting mafia doc seems right though.

Still sleep deprived.

Daughter back in school and working nights does not make a happy Konowa.

[Konowa]

It literally says one-shot in the op, Thor.

geraintm,

Town One Shot

Strong-Willed Vigilante/Day 1 Vengeful, Killed Night 2

[Konowa]

Konowa has been informed that Konowa's loved/hated conditional is no longer in effect, but Konowa will still lose vote if pronoun clause is passed.

Konowa wants to hear from Lynx as Lynx should have been able to confirm/deny Ansuz claim.

Konowa wants to say Thor665 is final scum for push for OP over JoshB on that one Day.

Konowa will wait till Lynx talks though.

[Konowa]

Josh wasn't really in any situation? Konowa wouldn't say that Josh was a forgone lynch. Thor was arguing pretty heavily for a OP lynch over a Josh lynch.

[Konowa]

Yeah, Konowa meant B_E. The point with B_E inserted makes sense.

[Konowa]

Sorry for the delay. My investigation on Ansuz returned "killing ability". So either he was honest or is a Serial Killer.

Just saw this.

It was Thor665 defending B_E, rather that Thor665 was arguing pretty heavily for a OP lynch based on mechanics. Never said Thor was defending B_E.

[Konowa]

wasn't

[Konowa]

Leaning towards honest. Multiple Nights with zero/one kill would make a pretty shitty SK.

[Konowa]

The conditional hated/loved based on the pronoun clause is a "vote altering ability", Konowa supposes. Don't see the stretch?

[Konowa]

Killing ability can refer to 1 shot vig as well, so I don't know how much stock to put into that.

[Konowa]

Konowa sucks at this role.

[Konowa]

Konowa can't really see Konowa voting anyone over Thor665. Konowa doesn't believe a No Lynch will alleviate this situation either.

Konowa is going to type Preview every post into every post now in hopes of using no more pronouns.

[Konowa]

Konowa was thinking poison yesterday, when Konowa was like "DING KONOWA'S GOT THIS", but got turned off of it by d3x. Konowa wants to think.

Konowa is going to type Preview every post into every post now in hopes of using no more pronouns.

[Konowa]

Konowa thinks Konowa and Thor had redirector converstation in regards to Mantis kill, but can't off top of head remember the conversation itself.

[Konowa]

Not going to vote until Nacho posts. Konowa is still pondering No Lynch as well.

Konowa should go back and read Lynx and the gameplay/Thor slots in regards to HS/JoshB slot and B_E slot.

Konowa could see backup role given negative utility of hider.
Lynx, have you fullclaimed anywhere? Konowa can't remember. If not, please do so.

[Konowa]

There are a couple of things in Josh's ISO that just leads Konowa to think not Lynx as final Scum.

[Konowa]

Reading Josh's ISO is making Konowa boxofcheapwine too much.

[Konowa]

Mantis was an ability cop, which given the nature of this game is different from rolecops.

[Konowa]

But I'm thinking scum night kill = 'killing' ability. You forget that one scum does the killing, and when its down to last scum, they get that ability.

Referring to this?

[Konowa]

Honestly, Konowa thinks Lynx is just not that good of a player and has several times posted things that are par for the course that would make sense with the post Konowa just quoted.

[Konowa]

Yes.

Mod design as its inherent for everyone.

[Konowa]

The point might be arguable if there was a comparison to a known flipped Vanilla or Goon, but there is none.

Which means Konowa will probably comb Mantis' ISO next to see if there is anything.

[Konowa]

Voting is not inherent? Is Konowa reading that correctly?

[Konowa]

Is listed in Konowa's as well. Which is why Konowa thinks it's inherent and so OBV that fferyllt decided not to include it. Which is why Konowa said if there was a investigative result on a known Vanilla flip the argument would hold some weight perhaps, but as it is it doesn't.

Lynx, why Ansuz over Thor? Does Lynx disagree with the sentiment that "killing ability" likely means vig rather than scum as the ability cop role probably has something to do with active abilities. Konowa's role is active, Vig is active. Scum having the ability to kill is more of a passive ability, Konowa would argue. Again, there is only the two results to go off of so.

NACHO, post please.

[Konowa]

Konowa is talking out loud.

Probably 3v1 now so Konowa wouldn't be opposed to a No Lynch, but thinks Nacho would be killed and leave Konowa in the same position Tomorrow.
Konowa doesn't think 2v1v1 due to zero deaths N1 and single kills other Nights.

Makes Konowa think Ansuz is likely Town.

Lynx, some actual input would be nice.

Like, if the answer is 'yes' then we can have a different conversation.

What's the different conversation? Konowa is truly lost.

Mostly Konowa is killing time before Nacho deems to grace us with Nacho's presence.