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Post Post #3566 (isolation #200) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:21 am

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PointY, what did you mean by and ?
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Post Post #3592 (isolation #201) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:28 am

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Nero, let's just lynch all of those names. I personally think Taly should go today, but it doesn't really matter that much.
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Post Post #3616 (isolation #202) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:15 am

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In post 3611, Grib wrote:If this game is normal and uses the normal standards for a Traitor, then

'A Traitor cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and is killed if shot.'

And if they're immune to the NK, they should be Bulletproof.

So.

I think this game was reviewed & approved before the normal standards for traitor went into affect (which was April).
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Post Post #3624 (isolation #203) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:34 am

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In post 2286, Shinobi wrote:
In post 2283, Ricastle wrote:
Mod: Are we allowed to know the specifics on the variant of Traitor used in this game?


All you know about the role is that it is a Mafia Traitor.
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Post Post #3651 (isolation #204) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:22 pm

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In post 3649, Vampirate wrote:Should I flip Scum what is everyone's next course of action?

lynch Taly

In post 3649, Vampirate wrote:Should I flip Town what is everyone's next course of action?

lynch Taly
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Post Post #3672 (isolation #205) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:21 am

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Hi Drixx, thanks for replacing in.

We're massclaiming and you're the only slot left.
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Post Post #3681 (isolation #206) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:14 am

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Or my theory about him not submitting a kill.
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Post Post #3691 (isolation #207) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:04 pm

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In post 3528, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Protected Rubicon last night.

I just realized, am I confirmed town by this? It seems like I might be, but I could be wrong and getting my hopes up.
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Post Post #3692 (isolation #208) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:06 pm

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Vampirate, if Peace knows who BBT targeted before BBT says, he's confirmed as a tracker. I think the guard is to keep scum-Peace from shooting BBT to block the plan.

Though I think if Peace is scum, the odds are good he is a scum tracker.
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Post Post #3693 (isolation #209) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:22 pm

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For what it's worth, I think Nero is town even if he's not confirmed. His behavior has been pretty pro-town (Boon wagon, willingness to lynch KC and pisskop) and his reactions have seemed genuine and off-the-cuff the whole game.

I also think he tends to be less active and make fewer posts as town (consistently over the last 20+ games) and more willing to "go along" with his partners as scum as opposed to aggressively bussing. He was really getting in KC's face at times. This game could be an exception, of course, but combined with other elements of his play I would bet on him flipping town.
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Post Post #3697 (isolation #210) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:16 pm

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In post 3693, Rubicon wrote:I also think he tends to be less active and make fewer posts as
scum
(consistently over the last 20+ games)

ebwop.
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Post Post #3698 (isolation #211) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:19 pm

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Perhaps everyone should post their PoE pool in order of scumminess and we lynch whoever is suspected the most.

Mine is Taly > Peace/PointY/Vampirate. The last three are pretty equal in my mind. Taly is my only firm guess for scum right now, with the other three as "maybes" if the game doesn't end with his death.
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Post Post #3708 (isolation #212) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:57 pm

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In post 3706, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 3693, Rubicon wrote:For what it's worth, I think Nero is town even if he's not confirmed. His behavior has been pretty pro-town (Boon wagon, willingness to lynch KC and pisskop) and his reactions have seemed genuine and off-the-cuff the whole game.

I also think he tends to be less active and make fewer posts as town (consistently over the last 20+ games) and more willing to "go along" with his partners as scum as opposed to aggressively bussing. He was really getting in KC's face at times. This game could be an exception, of course, but combined with other elements of his play I would bet on him flipping town.

here is my thoughts, there is someone not in suspect pool that is not worried about being tracked. That could be nero...
I got no problem with the plan...

I dunno what you mean by that.
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Post Post #3713 (isolation #213) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:07 pm

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In post 3709, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 3702, elusive wrote:Okies, me 2

VOTE: Drixx

Hey there, sorry you replaced into a scum slot.

if there are 2 scum left, possible, but if only one, then Taly did not act...
I do not get the logic here...

There was no kill, and Taly flaked before night. So your result doesn't necessarily prove anything.
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Post Post #3719 (isolation #214) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:27 pm

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PB, it doesn't really matter.

Drixx, so what are you thinking? If you want to dig in and try to give us your thoughts about who should be lynched, deadline is a long way off and you've got time.
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Post Post #3724 (isolation #215) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:32 pm

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Unvote
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Post Post #3725 (isolation #216) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:32 pm

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What do you mean you got no result?
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Post Post #3735 (isolation #217) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:49 am

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I'd like to hear an explanation from RIP before lynching either of them.
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Post Post #3745 (isolation #218) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:17 pm

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are you ascetic or something
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Post Post #3749 (isolation #219) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:37 pm

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There's a fifth possibility too.
Gonna wait for RIP before I comment on stuff.
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Post Post #3775 (isolation #220) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:58 am

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Drixx, how goes the catch-up?
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Post Post #3799 (isolation #221) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:37 pm

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I get the impression you want to head off us thinking you're ignoring this game in particular.

In post 3796, Nero Cain wrote:Its equally odd that Rubi and pointy find it scummy that I suspected Jbomber when THEY DID AS WELL.

I don't, I think you're town. And in any case I doubt you could have known Boonskiies was scum at the time, so eh.
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Post Post #3801 (isolation #222) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:46 pm

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In post 3798, Drixx wrote:Had an episode of Autonomic Dysreflexia this evening so I'm pretty knackered and will resume tomorrow.

I googled autonomic dysreflexia and it sounds pretty bad. Hope you're okay.


Looks like he posted this message in all his games by the way.
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Post Post #3803 (isolation #223) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:48 pm

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In post 3800, Nero Cain wrote:you did suspect me for a long time but

we should prob just lynch Drixx and see if that ends the game.

Hey, you told me your scum game was "pretty fucking awesome." You can't expect me not to be paranoid XD

I agree depending on what RIP has to say for himself.
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Post Post #3810 (isolation #224) » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:35 am

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VOTE: Drixx
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Post Post #3864 (isolation #225) » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:25 pm

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I don't understand a single thing RIP said in the last two pages.
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Post Post #3865 (isolation #226) » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:28 pm

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Also you guys are making me feel old with all your cartoon references. Like, Sloth levels of oldness. shudders.

Maybe RIP is just trolling scum?
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Post Post #3866 (isolation #227) » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:32 pm

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What if Grib is lying about lying about his powers?

How deep does the rabbit hole go?
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Post Post #3882 (isolation #228) » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:39 am

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This is your daily reminder that Grib shot Boonskiies.

In post 3871, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:But then, I don't know why RIP would lie...it would be easy for him to claim an inno on someone if he was scum...

Shall we get on with lynching Drixx and move this game forward?

Why would we lynch Drixx if RIP is lying?
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Post Post #3885 (isolation #229) » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:56 am

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RIP
pls respond


1) On which night did you target Nero Cain?

2) The roleblocker is dead. How could you possibly have been roleblocked?

3) Nero Cain is claiming VT. Do you believe him?
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Post Post #3897 (isolation #230) » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:33 pm

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Drixx is doing the same thing RM, pisskop and ika did. On the other hand, I have to wonder whether RIP really does stuff like this as town? It doesn't make sense for scum either, unless he's completely given up on the game and trolling, but that could be exactly what's going on.

Why aren't you more suspicious of him?
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Post Post #3909 (isolation #231) » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:47 am

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What are your thoughts about RIP's claim?

Unvote
, though I may put it back later.
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Post Post #3915 (isolation #232) » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:23 am

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I accept my place as Blossom, head of the puff girls.
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Post Post #3917 (isolation #233) » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:20 am

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In post 3898, Nero Cain wrote:I'm pretty suspicious of anyone not named Dave and Grib and I'm just a little bias b/c I like my theory of 9/5.

What happened to your "OMG Taly slot is so scummy."?

The whole RIP thing?

But you didn't really answer my question. Why do you not want to lynch RIP?
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Post Post #3921 (isolation #234) » Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:33 pm

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In post 3918, PointYBagelS wrote:Actually I want to expand that question:

To people not voting either Nero or Rip: why not? It's pretty apparent that one or both of them is lying.

I agree with elusive, it's not obvious. Nero seems town and shouldn't really have claimed VT as ascetic. Meanwhile RIP was being treated as nearly confirmed town before this: why would he throw that away? What does he even gain from it?

It wouldn't exactly surprise me if we lynch RIP and he flips cop, we lynch Nero and he flips VT, and then when the game is over we find out there's a mafia JOAT and Shinobi laughs at us all for setup spec. Or RIP is somehow really confused and wasn't roleblocked at all. Or doing a stupid gambit.

In post 3919, Drixx wrote:Well unless the mod sent me the wrong role PM by mistake, the theory that my slot is scum because its previous player flaked and didn't submit a kill is mistaken. You may still feel like lynching me is the best play, but you should talk through other options because you aren't going to get scum out of my flip. Shouldn't waste the time on that assumption.

Wanna answer my question?
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Post Post #3927 (isolation #235) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:25 am

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I'm gonna vote Drixx.
VOTE: Drixx
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Post Post #3932 (isolation #236) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:39 am

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Grib's town.
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Post Post #3946 (isolation #237) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:08 pm

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What's your theory of what happened last night if I'm scum?

In post 3937, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like Pointy's "one of Nero/RIP have to be scum" is false dichotomy. I don't think it makes a ton of sense on RIPs part as scum. I mean, part of me wants to be right b/c he was playing poorly/scummy but then who here isn't playing poorly?

Quite a few people. That's why we've killed three scum in the last three day-night phases.

FMPOV, we had a pretty good guess at who the final scum were and then RIP said something that seemed mechanically impossible and since none of us can explain it, we're kind of going crazy second guessing ourselves trying to figure it out. In other words, the Mist.

I really, really want to just lynch the person who is scummy and playing just like the last few scum we've lynched (Drixx) but PB's point above does give me pause.
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Post Post #3947 (isolation #238) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:09 pm

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elusive that's a cool avatar
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Post Post #3948 (isolation #239) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:10 pm

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I'm going to say now, if it turns out RIP is town and either wrong or lying about being roleblocked, I'm going to be pissed off.
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Post Post #3950 (isolation #240) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:20 pm

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In post 3937, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like Pointy's "one of Nero/RIP have to be scum" is false dichotomy.

I've been mulling over the idea that he's scum who knows his only chance at victory is lynching outside the PoE pool. He's not the only person suggesting we lynch one of you/RIP, but he seems really eager to lynch you in particular.
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Post Post #3951 (isolation #241) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:21 pm

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In post 3949, elusive wrote:but I do know that NO RESULT is possible.

Hmm?
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Post Post #3952 (isolation #242) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:26 pm

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VOTE: PointYBagelS
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Post Post #3953 (isolation #243) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:30 pm

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My gut really, really, reaaallllly wants to lynch Drixx (especially since his play is identical to ika and pisskop and RM) but I don't have a good answer for how RIP could have been roleblocked if Drixx is the only remaining scum.
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Post Post #3954 (isolation #244) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:31 pm

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In post 3949, elusive wrote:I don't know if he's lying, I think we may have to lynch him to confirm

My concern is that we don't really learn anything if he flips town cop.
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Post Post #3963 (isolation #245) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:23 pm

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In post 3957, Drixx wrote:
In post 3955, Grib wrote:Like. Drixx, I'm sorry about your condition, and I highly doubt you /want/ to read the game and fight your lynch, but I think if you were town you'd at least be trying, or you'd replace out instead of doing /absolutely nothing/ except saying 'oh yeah I'm VT you shouldn't lynch me.'


Okay cool, well you can apologize for your faux sincerity later. You can check my post history and see what that brush with unpleasantness impacted. If you want something substantive from me, you're going to have to wait for me to read the thread.

Remember how I asked for a summary or a link to good summary posts? I don't recall anyone giving a summary or linking to any summary posts.

I asked for what the case against me was, and apparently it's because I replaced someone who site flaked and a no kill happened so there's not actually any reason in my slot ISO to suspect me. That sort of thing is frowned upon isn't it? I mean ... isn't the reason you can't see when someone is online/offline and what they are doing on the site set the way it is because people would try and game the game by seeing who was doing PMs at night phase and watching for people to be online at times that gave clues as to whether they had a role or clues to their alignment.

Trying to game the game using things outside the game is just not cool. You shouldn't do it.

If someone wants to give me a summary, that would be super cool. If not, you can wait until I finish reading the 4,000 posts for my thoughts on everyone alive. That's how it goes. I don't replace into a game if I'm not willing to read through and catch up on what happened, in context. It is in context where a lot of things can get missed by lazy replacements. Not the way I roll (intentional joke).

There's like nearly 7 days until the deadline and apparently there's like only a couple people under lynch consideration ... so there seems to be no reason to rush just at the moment.

The question that occurs to me at the moment is:
Who benefits from silencing me before I can share my thoughts on the game and the players alive with fresh eyes?
-- Town players would do well to ask that question; you may find it useful in your thinking about the game. I happily have tomorrow free of obligations so shouldn't take me too much more time to finish reading the thread.

I'd lynch you just for this post.

The first 3500 posts of this game are not very important. They're about people we already lynched. The posts
since you replaced in
have covered everything you need to know about claims, mechanical stuff, interactions, etc. And a lot of shit has happened since you replaced in that you've ignored.

I understand wanting to read, but you can also just follow along and ask questions. Look stuff up in ISOs. Or even share your thoughts as you read so we know you're alive.

But you seem overwhelmed by the game and angry that people are voting you. You're overreacting to pressure at a point when your wagon has like 1-2 votes. And you're ignoring questions about other players. That makes me think you're scum.
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Post Post #3969 (isolation #246) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:14 am

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In post 3965, Drixx wrote:@Rubicon - Not overwhelmed or emotionally bothered at all. If one plays mafia, one is going to get voted and lynched. The most likely statistical outcome of a given game is that you will be a townie and be lynched. If you can't handle that, don't play.

(shrug) That's a good attitude, but doesn't match your play so far.
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Post Post #3980 (isolation #247) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:59 pm

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Uh huh.

In post 3978, Vampirate wrote:OK i'm just tempted to vote Nero now, but before I do, Rubicon besides being ascetic or having a roleblock on RIP what other possible scenarios can be taken for 'No Result'?

ascetic
commuter
backup roleblocker
joat w/ roleblock or jailkeep
rolestopper
RIP lying or being wrong
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Post Post #3985 (isolation #248) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:41 pm

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elusive, maybe... if he's both town and untargetable? But I don't know if that makes sense.

RIP,

Do you think scum-Grib has a vig shot he used on his partner?

Which of the roles I listed above do you think is most likely in this game?

Did you ever PM Shinobi to double-check whether you were roleblocked?
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Post Post #3987 (isolation #249) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:43 pm

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I see.
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Post Post #3993 (isolation #250) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:49 pm

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Nero claimed VT. What do you think he is?
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Post Post #3994 (isolation #251) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:50 pm

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As far as no one dying last night, all we have is bbt protecting me, or maybe they just didn't submit a kill.

Peace tracked Taly/Drixx going nowhere.
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Post Post #4027 (isolation #252) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:03 am

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I like the PointY wagon.
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Post Post #4030 (isolation #253) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:38 pm

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Nero is also voting PointY.
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Post Post #4033 (isolation #254) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:25 pm

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That's quite a reaction.
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Post Post #4052 (isolation #255) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:02 pm

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The people ika called town are the people who know how to read him best. Me, Grib, elusive, Nero. That's not a coincidence.
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Post Post #4059 (isolation #256) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:21 am

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davesaz, what are your reads?
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Post Post #4062 (isolation #257) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:38 am

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Lynch the next scummy person.
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Post Post #4064 (isolation #258) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:59 am

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I don't know. Why do you want to know?
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Post Post #4067 (isolation #259) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:23 am

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I figured someone would hammer, but I didn't expect it to be you.
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Post Post #4073 (isolation #260) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:43 am

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Post Post #4096 (isolation #261) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:43 am

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In post 4080, davesaz wrote:Going from memory on the known info columns. This assumes the 'alive' list in the op was up to date except for PointYBagels and PeaceBringer

elusive
Nero Cain - cop by RIP gave 'no result' ?
Grib - claimed JOAT
davesaz - Grib says cleared
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Drixx
RIP - claimed cop
BlueBloodedToffee - claimed doc

I thought BBT's hammer post was kinda interesting.
So who are the scum on the wagon? That VCA will probably be my next move.

What are your reads?

In post 4082, RIP wrote:Btw something I read after the thread closed that made me suspect Nero. Like really suspect him, I really wasn't suspecting him that much tbh.
I just didn't know where to go and was trying to think why I got no result from him.

Anyways Nero kept saying I was ripping a guilty on him.
That's a weird choice of words when I never said such thing. Did he actually outed he thought I had a guilty and I was somehow being fancy with my play?
If so why not kill me?

Just weird he's the only who thinks I ripped a guilty on him. Why is anyone worried about a guilty if they are town? I think this is were we go today.

There are only two ways for you to have received "no result", right?

1) scum blocked you,
2) Nero is an untargetable role like an ascetic or commuter

We lynched the scum roleblocker (ika) the day before, so that makes (1) unlikely. But (2) can only be true if Nero is lying, since he claimed VT.

So yeah, you kind of did.
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Post Post #4102 (isolation #262) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:40 am

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RIP's vote is certainly the worst.
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Post Post #4105 (isolation #263) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:18 am

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Your vote is the worst because you gave no reason for it and I have no idea why you would have voted him just because he was a top wagon.

Did you read ?
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Post Post #4109 (isolation #264) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:38 am

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RIP, did you read 4096?
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Post Post #4110 (isolation #265) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:39 am

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By the way, I just realized Ricastle flipped unlimited-shot Friendly Neighbor. I sent Shinobi a PM asking if this is correct, but if it is then RIP is the only x-shot PR in the game.
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Post Post #4113 (isolation #266) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:06 am

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I'm wondering if it was a gambit and he might have targeted a third person who never mentioned it. I could be wrong, but I assumed x-shot roles had to flip x-shot in normal games.
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Post Post #4115 (isolation #267) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:36 am

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Never mind, Shinobi says he doesn't include modifiers in his flips.
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Post Post #4120 (isolation #268) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:05 pm

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Hm, it's not so odd a belief. Rolestopper + roleblocker would be a pretty unusual combination.
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Post Post #4127 (isolation #269) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:42 am

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In post 4111, davesaz wrote:BBT's claim could easily be fake and I had a weak scum on the slot before.

Did you? Why?
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Post Post #4132 (isolation #270) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:44 am

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RIP, Nero or Drixx.
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Post Post #4134 (isolation #271) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:02 am

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That makes me realize I don't know why you think Nero is scum.
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Post Post #4143 (isolation #272) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:40 am

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Vampirate: I've been leaning town on you for a while based on the effort you've put into solving the game (at least before today) and also posts like #3024 which looks more like scum whiteknighting town. I'm not ruling out lynching you, but you're lower on my list.
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Post Post #4144 (isolation #273) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:49 am

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My reads are straightforward.

TOWN


elusive: town by meta, doc protect

Grib: town because I don't think we have a serial killer (multiple nights with no kill, no nights with more than one kill) and because I know how to read him and he's town

BBT: likely town based on role and cop clear (whether or not RIP is telling the truth)

Vampirate: lean town based on the effort he's put into solving the game and also posts like #3024 which looks more like scum whiteknighting town

davesaz: town by Grib clear -- small risk of godfather, but if he were a godfather he couldn't have roleblocked RIP

SUSPECTS


RIP: no idea how to read any of the people in this slot

Drixx: scummy but couldn't have roleblocked RIP

Nero Cain: I'm willing to lynch him purely because him being ascetic/commuter makes sense mechanically, but I'm expecting him to flip town
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Post Post #4145 (isolation #274) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:50 am

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It does probably mean something that Peace died before BBT.
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Post Post #4147 (isolation #275) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:03 am

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Are you ruling out the possibility that RIP is just lying?
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Post Post #4149 (isolation #276) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:49 pm

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I agree, but he might have done it anyway.

On another note, elusive now has a completed scum game.
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Post Post #4153 (isolation #277) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:00 pm

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Apparently, normal guidelines say blocked shots count as used.

In post 4150, elusive wrote:I have two Rubicon!!! 2 completed scum games, you bad stalker :P

Oh no, I skimmed through that one as well (ha), but you seemed to be the only member of your faction.
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Post Post #4156 (isolation #278) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:25 pm

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In post 4154, Nero Cain wrote:I still think that 5 prs make sense. If we are going to say that Boons was an unrecruitable traitor and Elusive was the scum shot on n1 then ok. And that Peace's track on Drixx makes him not scum 'cause for RIP to get a no result on my then fine. So we are left with a Vamp/Rubi poe list.

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Post Post #4161 (isolation #279) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:07 am

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In post 4157, Nero Cain wrote:Well who is scum?

I'm town.
I'm assuming that all the prs are town.
Elusive's play sucks but I'm willing to believe that she's town.
Drixx is scummy useless but I can understand that he no actioned and thus couldn't have rolestopped me, jailkept RIP or roleblocked RIP.
Dave is prob town unless he's a GF.

I don't know. However, I'm town because of the no-kill.

In post 4158, elusive wrote:I think Drixx lynch makes the most sense to me at this point and don't know why he keep surviving lynch. Why does anyone think he has no action? Remember PB tracked KC and thought she was town for some reason as well and there's the missing NK UNLESS SOME TOWN OR THIRD PARTY IS NOT TELLING US A MAJOR THING.

The thing about PB tracking him nowhere is that he couldn't have roleblocked RIP. So if there is only one scum left (and that's an "if") then I guess it can't be him.
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Post Post #4167 (isolation #280) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:04 pm

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In post 4164, davesaz wrote:I'm really beginning to suspect BBT. His normally aggressive scum hunting is absent, and a fake doc claim is trivial to make on a no-kill night. Doubly so if it hides the obvious fact that the no-kill could be because a likely scum suspect was flaked at the time. He could even be the scum who didn't submit the kill, for that matter, even on purpose for the obvtown doc claim. The only risk would be if there was a counter claim, and we already have doubled roles (presumed town) which means a counter claim could be WIFOM'd away with ease.

RIP says he checked BBT/errant as town.
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Post Post #4168 (isolation #281) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:16 pm

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Claimed night actions:

Night 1


Ricastle tells Vampirate he is town.
BlueBloodedToffee protects elusive.
Grib checks davesaz (town).
PeaceBringer tracks Klingoncelt (goes nowhere).
The mafia shoot either (a) elusive or (b) Boonskiies or (c) no one.
Ika roleblocks ???.

Night 2


Ricastle tells PointYBagelS he is town.
BlueBloodedToffee protects Grib.
Grib shoots Boonskiies.
PeaceBringer tracks elusive (goes nowhere).
The mafia shoot Creative.
Ika roleblocks ???.

Night 3


BlueBloodedToffee protects no one.
Grib protects PeaceBringer.
RIP checks BlueBloodedToffee (town).
PeaceBringer tracks PointYBagelS (goes nowhere).
The mafia shoot Ricastle.
Ika roleblocks ???.

Night 4


PeaceBringer tracks Taly (goes nowhere).
BlueBloodedToffee protects Rubicon.
RIP checks Nero Cain (no result).
The mafia shoot either (a) Rubicon or (b) no one.

Night 5


PeaceBringer tracks someone (not claimed).
BlueBloodedToffee protects no one.
The mafia shoot PeaceBringer.
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Post Post #4169 (isolation #282) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:26 pm

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It would have made sense for PeaceBringer to target Nero to see if he was ascetic. So perhaps PB was killed first to prevent Nero from being confirmed one way or another?
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Post Post #4170 (isolation #283) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:32 pm

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Drixx, how much longer are you going to be?
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Post Post #4175 (isolation #284) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:24 pm

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In post 4172, RIP wrote:Lol. I actually want to see this white board.
That's pretty cool if you not lying. Proof or didn't happen

Yes please.
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Post Post #4179 (isolation #285) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:46 pm

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You said you have notes and they're incomplete. Please post them.
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Post Post #4183 (isolation #286) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:11 pm

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Drixx, I don't understand the problem. Okay, you haven't solved the game yet. Okay, you can't copy your notes directly. That doesn't stop you from posting something about the game, does it? Can't you give us some tiny idea what you're thinking so far?

In post 4180, Drixx wrote:
you will stop calling me a liar, without any evidence or reason to do so
?

Is it 'without reason' to accuse someone of lying when you think they may be mafia? It's not an attack on your character to suggest you may be lying when lying is the premise of the game. Until you give us some reason to think you're town (content of any kind) from my point of view there is a pretty good chance you are lying.
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Post Post #4186 (isolation #287) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:23 pm

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In post 4184, Drixx wrote:I have conflicting thoughts on a couple of players.

This sounds interesting, what are your conflicting thoughts?

I get that you want to wait until you have something amazing to say. But we're all stuck in a holding pattern waiting on you.
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Post Post #4195 (isolation #288) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:32 pm

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In post 4187, Drixx wrote:Let's start with Nero. Scummiest posts I can recall reading in years, but I can't give you anything more substantial yet than every time I read his posts my scumdar pings rapidly. I'm hoping to find something more substantial than my gut.

Rubicon is heavily invested in the game, to the point that he's stalking other people's games in progress and posting when they finish; however, he hasn't been night killed. That seems like poor decision making on the part of scum if he's town ... but I don't have anything more than that to add up to a case yet.

That's the sort of stuff I've got at the moment. Finding slips and making cases is work. Hi Ho Hi Ho, it's back to work I go.

That's either the scummiest post yet, or it makes Forrest Gump look like Einstein. Deciding whom to lynch while doing nothing other than bitch at me is not exactly a town-centric strategy.

Thank you, this is the stuff I'm looking for.

Some of the night kills have been odd.

There's a chance I was shot at N4: BBT protected me and no one died. I personally find that strange since there were several claimed PRs at the time, in addition to Dave who was cleared by Grib...

Nero is a townread for me, so I'm interested in what you have to say about him.
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Post Post #4196 (isolation #289) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:32 pm

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Nero, is it an official rule that scum can't use their power and kill the same night in normals?
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Post Post #4210 (isolation #290) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:07 am

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sure
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Post Post #4213 (isolation #291) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:26 am

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We're waiting for Drixx and also I'm dragging my feet because nero's going to flip town.
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Post Post #4248 (isolation #292) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:30 am

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still waiting for Drixx.

In post 4237, RIP wrote:Nero scum equity is low. This is not how Nero plays scum unless he's the last one and is going all out.

^ I agree with this. But he's been playing that way all game.
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Post Post #4250 (isolation #293) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:16 am

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In post 4249, Vampirate wrote:Do you believe Nero is a VT?

Yes.

In post 4249, Vampirate wrote:If Nero is a VT than what possible outside influence could explain the outcome of what happened on the no result that is not only possible but also plausible as well.

I don't know. Large Normals can have two experimental slots, so there's room for surprises.

I prefer to lynch based on play/behavior than unconfirmed setup spec.
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Post Post #4252 (isolation #294) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:50 am

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So you think davesaz is scum?
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Post Post #4257 (isolation #295) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:10 am

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In post 4255, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Drixx, I highly doubt we are looking for two scum. 5 scum just seems overpowering.

I would vote Dave.

You think there is one scum and it's Dave?
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Post Post #4261 (isolation #296) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:15 am

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Do you think he's a Godfather?
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Post Post #4262 (isolation #297) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:16 am

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I see. Then why did RIP get no result?
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Post Post #4274 (isolation #298) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:35 pm

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In post 4251, Drixx wrote:Naked vote by davesaz is ironic. Also I spent every minute since the prior post doing this, so folks have an idea of the time it took.

Thankfully, there's not much to look through with Davesaz. He's been here since the start but has only ~2.75% of the posts, many of which aren't really much for content.

This case is a hell of a reach. 95% of this is you taking some small, neutral thing Dave said and finding a way to doubtcast it.

Some of the points you make seem straight-up deceptive, like accusing him of being on the Jbomber/Vampirate wagon in your reply to 1219 (which he wasn't) and then *skipping* his next post where he clarifies himself.

Even the first post you talk about: "This reads like someone aware they are lying and overdoing it." No, it really doesn't. That describes your post a lot better than RIP's.

You accuse him of shooting Creative because Creative pushed him a few times. Yet Creative's last few posts (1) call davesaz town, and (2) call Klingoncelt scum. Hmmm.

You also accuse him of shooting
Ricastle
because he disagreed with something Ricastle said at the very start of the game, which is just... what? I'm pretty sure Ricastle died for being a PR who caught KC in a lie and got her lynched.
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Post Post #4275 (isolation #299) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:37 pm

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You also literally argue that Dave is scummy because of the way he uses emoticons.

You say he only uses them when he's laughing off the idea he's scum (which is scummy how?) and then you point out that he used one to talk about Creative in 499... which wasn't about him being scum, but that doesn't seem to bother you...
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Post Post #4276 (isolation #300) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:40 pm

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In post 4251, Drixx wrote: Tries to argue any associatives with Boonskiies should be disregarded, on rather shaky ground.

Boonskiies was a traitor. How is that shaky ground? :?

Your reasoning is so weird here. You think the scum team knew Dave was scum -- so your other scum suspect, Grib, knowingly killed his own partner? What?
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Post Post #4277 (isolation #301) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:44 pm

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I dunno man, you talk a lot about dave's position on mislynch wagons, but he was also on all three scum wagons (Boonskiies, Klingoncelt, and ika) which probably puts him in a better position than you.
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Post Post #4281 (isolation #302) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:42 pm

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Townies can make flawed cases, but the effort you put into twisting
everything
he said in a negative light implies you're not evaluating him honestly, but trying to make him look as bad as possible to get him lynched.
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Post Post #4282 (isolation #303) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:32 pm

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What do you guys think about the following reasoning? This may seem unimportant but I'm going somewhere with it.

Drixx was tracked going nowhere on the night RIP claimed to receive No Result. Therefore he wasn't responsible for the No Result, and can only be scum with a partner who was responsible for it.

davesaz was checked as town by Grib. Therefore he can only be scum if he's a Godfather. Therefore he wasn't responsible for the No Result, since a Godfather can't roleblock people.

Conclusions:
- If there is only one scum left, it's neither Drixx nor davesaz.
- If there are two scum left, it's not Drixx and davesaz
together
-- one or the other, but not both.

Does this make sense?
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Post Post #4283 (isolation #304) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:44 pm

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I think I may have figured this game out.
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Post Post #4289 (isolation #305) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:36 am

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tl;dr -- At least one of RIP/Nero/Vampirate is mafia. Lynch RIP -> Vamp -> Nero -> one of dave/drixx (do them last) and win.

Who should we rule out as lynches? Since BBT is the only PR left who can still use his power, he's going to die soon if he's town. So strategically, we can set him aside for the moment. elusive is town for the N1 no kill and by her meta. Grib is town because we don't have a mafia vigilante who shot his own partner for no good reason. And because I know how to read Grib and he's just 100% town.

That leaves RIP, Nero Cain, Vampirate, Drixx, Dave.

Based on , one of RIP, Nero Cain and Vampirate is mafia.

We have four lynches left. If there is only one mafia (which I believe), lynching those three first wins the game.

If there are two mafia, lynching those three first will snag at least one, maybe both. If you run the numbers, in the worst case that puts us in LyLo having to decide between Dave and Drixx. But with another scum dead, we may have enough information to solve that based on interactions.
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Post Post #4291 (isolation #306) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:44 am

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I'm okay with doing them in any order, though I personally think Nero is least likely.
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Post Post #4295 (isolation #307) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:59 am

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Vampirate, I put RIP first because (1) him lying about his No Result is the
simplest
explanation for what happened, and (2) I can think of more reasons for you and Nero to be town than him. But again, as long as we lynch those three first, we should win no matter what order we do them in.
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Post Post #4297 (isolation #308) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:11 am

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Pardon?
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Post Post #4299 (isolation #309) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:23 am

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Oh. What do you think of 4282 and 4289?
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Post Post #4308 (isolation #310) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:46 pm

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VOTE: RIP

Vampirate, my strategy requires lynching both you and Nero Cain if RIP flips town, since that should guarantee at least one scum lynch. Does that worry you?
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Post Post #4311 (isolation #311) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:02 pm

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That is a very curious post.
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Post Post #4313 (isolation #312) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:16 pm

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I see
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Post Post #4316 (isolation #313) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:05 pm

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Doesn't matter.
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Post Post #4319 (isolation #314) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:18 am

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Drixx, you should vote RIP.
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Post Post #4322 (isolation #315) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:41 am

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In my experience RIP is not very responsive to questions. He's definitely not confirmed town though. He's just claiming a PR.
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Post Post #4325 (isolation #316) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:45 am

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That's a hammer.
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Post Post #4329 (isolation #317) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:28 am

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GG!
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Post Post #4342 (isolation #318) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:59 pm

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Thanks for modding, Shinobi!
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Post Post #4349 (isolation #319) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:32 pm

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ilu2!

In post 4344, Shinobi wrote:
In post 4342, Rubicon wrote:Thanks for modding, Shinobi!


No problem, glad you enjoyed the game.

It was kind of frustrating to watch Peace play really well and then get no result because someone else sent the kill, but that's the nature of tracker I guess.
:neutral:

On the other hand, tracking Taly and getting no result was a big deal.
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Post Post #4372 (isolation #320) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:48 pm

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In post 4350, elusive wrote:Rubicon, I'm very into knowing your latest avatar change... like did you see the movie or ?

<3

I haven't, though I was a big fan of the show as a kid. I just think this picture looks hilarious next to my posts.
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Post Post #4373 (isolation #321) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:53 pm

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In post 4371, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 4370, Vampirate wrote:Sooo is that scum QT ever going to be released?



RIP, Pisskop, Kitz, RationalMadman, Ika, Megalo, and House have to agree to it, I think.

(5 replace-outs. wtf. :facepalm: )

Thank you for not replacing out! And RIP, Boonskiies and ika.
And Drixx since he probably wanted to.

In post 4360, pisskop wrote:btw, he claimed 2-shot cop but everybody ignored that.

That's what he said originally, but then he strongly implied he had a shot left. I thought he was trying to draw the NK by claiming to still have a shot when he didn't. That sure wasn't right.
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Post Post #4377 (isolation #322) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:50 am

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In post 4374, Vampirate wrote:
In post 4373, Rubicon wrote:
Thank you for not replacing out! And RIP, Boonskiies and ika.
And Drixx since he probably wanted to.


Is this directed at KC or myself?

KC

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