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Besides, it's just to ease his mind. This game is over when you get lynched, Marquis. You're scum.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4024, Netherspite wrote:@LLD
If you're scum you're winning by lynching Marquis because tomorrow Titus will vote me and nothing will stop you from hammering (in fact, you will even have to do it because otherwise you'll be playing against your wincon).
Also, voting yourself will be playing against your wincon regardless of your alignment so you can't promise that.
That's... a fair point.
I fucking hate being at an impasse with you though, because we're both town and we have VASTLY different opinions on this.
Can you at least see why lynching Titus will put the game into a cancerous position, given DS' promise to create a draw?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Like, at the end of the day, no assurance I give you will ever completely remove the paranoia from you, and that's right. That's a good thing to have as town.
It's just it's getting in the way of us lynching scum and winning this game and that's fucking awful. :/Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Are you REALLY willing to bank our game on it?
Like, that's your choice.
You can trust me
or Trust that scum won't put us in an awful position.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm asking you to just put aside your misgivings this one time.
Because if Marquis is scum and we lynch Titus we lose.
But if Titus is scum and we lynch Marquis, we win.
That's what I'm asking you to understand.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Which is why it comes back to, how much can you trust me
please, go back through my ISO. Read my posts, see my emotions, see that I am town.
And put your faith in me, instead of in this 4p mylo awfulness.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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DS has promised you will we draw.
Like....Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I can't believe you're risking our fucking game on the hope and prayer Marquis won't force the draw scenario.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4034, Marquis wrote:let's be fucking real if i was scum i could easily win a nether-ds-me LYLO so get that out of here
You think so? I doubt it.
I doubt it with every bone of my body.
Because 1) There's always the risk that DS targets Nether and busts your shit for killing me
and 2) Nether and DS are currently CERTAIN of eachother being town. So I think you're lying. I think there's NO CHANCE IN HELL you win that.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I mean, I understand you're forced to say that, but it;s patently not true, mr. "I didn't know there was only 4 scum oops town read me! lol"Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4042, DiamondSentinel wrote:That's what I'm waiting for.
Also, LLD, I'm going to lynch Titus today for 3 reasons.
1. She is just as scummy as Marquis, fmpov
2. Her role has little usefulness to us, now, as the neighborhood is established.
3. She is able to give me information semi-privately, so she can give me information that would be good to know in case of mislynch.
At this point, my decision is sheerly pragmatic.
How about reason 4: The fact that you are going to force town into that shitty draw situation.
Is that a good enough reason not to lynhc Titus?
Fucks sakes it's iike everyone's gone mad.
I swear to god, like, if Titus flips scum I'll apologize for this, but you're all fucking morons. Every last one of you. Except Marquis, he's scum, so it's expect of him I guess.
:/Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I am so tired of being ignored.
Like
"OH LLD YOU'RE A SILLY GIRL WHO CAN'T HAVE REAL OPINIONS OR EVER BE RIGHT. SIT OVER THERE WHILE THE ACTUAL PLAYERS DO STUPID FUCKING SHIT"
Do you know how frustrating it is?
Do you know how fucking infuriating it is to be sitting here, looking at you and Nether and being like "if you lynch Titus, Marquis wins" and being told "lol you're silly"
Like fuck you both.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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That''s it I'm fucking done with this game dude.
This game has brought me to the verge of tears so I'm done.
I'm done posting.
Do what you fucking like. I hope you lose this game for town now. You don't deserve to win it, at all.
Let's just fucking hand Marquis the win now. Do you think if we asked the mod would let us concede now? I'd like to try and concede now. It's not worth the fucking extended god damned torture.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Nether, can I just ask why you're so paranoid about me?
Like, I want to help you work past this paranoia so you can make the right call and I'm willing to answer any questions you have for me, but you never seem to have any for me, mostly just for Titus?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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4. My plans in the hood ... well, probably scum!me will benefit more from lynching Titus today compared to Marquis. That does not mean I'm scum though.
She also fought so hard for the Marquis lynch (that benefits scum!her) against Titus lynch... It made me really paranoid about her.
Nether, look at what you're writing. You're doing the same thing I'm doing, which is voting someone we have strong reason to believe is scum, even with the acknowledgement that in a scenario where we are scum, this play would benefit us.
And you're asking me, whether you think it comes from a town perspective.
I mean.... this is what I'm trying to make you see. Yes, I get your paranoia, but by definition paranoia like that is dangerous for THIS EXACT REASON.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4097, Netherspite wrote:And another addition:
In one of my previous games I was in a LyLo and I made the wrong choice. I was judging by scummy actions and posts and the player I decided to lynch was really scummy. Yet I was wrong and the real scum coasted all the way since D1.
I hope you can understand my paranoia.
I don't want to make a mistake again.
Ok, but when have I ever coasted by?
When have I ever made it my goal to avoid attention?
And I mean, ask yourself this question: Marquis and DS have been wanting me dead since day 3. Why would I leave them alive to this situation? I mean, you can say I didn't have any opportunities, but what about the night where Spiffeh died over DS?
If I were scum, why would I kill Spiffeh (who thought I was town AFAIK?) over DS (who was so certain I was scum he was calling for FB to shoot me?)?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I can't give you an unbiased opinion on Marquis, Nether.
I could try, I could try and review all his ISO, look at his posts.
But in the end, I am confident in him being scum, and it will be tainted by that.
So I'm sorry, if you wanted a full case review of Marquis' actions without bias I cna't do that.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4103, Netherspite wrote:@LLD
Spiffeh was publicly assigned by Titus to receiving me so while it's way less likely that you would kill him than Titus or Marquis (who thought I'm going to cop them) you still could do that just in case I'll change my mind and cop you (I initially submitted you as my target btw, I'm even thinking I shouldn't have changed it to SDB now as he was scummy enough without the guilty result).
Publicly?
Where? Find me it?
Remember, I don't have access to the QT.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4103, Netherspite wrote:@LLD
Spiffeh was publicly assigned by Titus to receiving me so while it's way less likely that you would kill him than Titus or Marquis (who thought I'm going to cop them) you still could do that just in case I'll change my mind and cop you (I initially submitted you as my target btw, I'm even thinking I shouldn't have changed it to SDB now as he was scummy enough without the guilty result).
and you absolutely should have submitted a cop result on me or titus. We discussed this already. Getting a guilty that day was the worst case scenario. A single innocent result on me wins us the game that day and avoids all this paranoia shit dude.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Like, you want to know why I'm town Nether?
I've warned you fuckers about the worst case scenario we had to avoid EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
AND YOU NEVER FUCKING LISTENED.
AND HERE WE ARE.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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SO LIKE, TELL ME NETHER: WHY WOULD I BOTHER TO TRY AND GET TOWN TO DO INTELLIGENT THINGS THAT PROVABLY WOULD HAVE WON US THE GAME
WHY?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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My blood pressure is going up again....
I'm going to go fucking make some food before I play D&D. I'll check in later Nether.
If I can say one last thing, don't fucking let your paranoia and fear from losing a prior game stop you from making an informed, intelligent decision.
Stop this paranoia shit, lynch Marquis, and we'll fucking rejoice in a glorious town victory.
Danke.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Wow that's some serious fucking revisionist history.
I was lynching Vamp until we had the idea about giving the Cop role to someone suspicious (ANOTHER GOOD IDEA I SUGGESTED, WOW) and I suggested we force it onto Vampirate. In the end, we chose to put it on Nether, which was fine and we lynched Vampirate.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This is a scum jump, because he's worried that people might be town reading me harder now, so he wants me gone now.
Fucking.
Hysterical.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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But this is good. People will see that your fucking crusade on Titus is nothing more than effort trying to get a mislynch. You got impatient and worried, and you made a mistake.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Bull.
Fucking.
Shit.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I like how you're trying to spin town intent into some kind of fucking scum plan, the INSTANT that Nether suggested he might consider lynching you.
THE FUCKING INSTANT.
You wanna talk abotu motivation? How's that for fucking scum motivation?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Like, I tried to stop you from rushing down the day PRECISELY BECAUSE I wanted the chance to get new reads, and reset my mind a little from preconceptions.
It seems you're encouraging people to stick to the status quo, which suits you because the status quo would have made you win.
That's when I realized you were scum and it all fit. That's why I'm pushing for so much discussion.
That's fucking town 101 motivation.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4141, Marquis wrote:
ok good there's time.
Nether and DS, can you reread the sections around where LLD flipped out and around on me and tell me if you see what I'm seeing? Because now that I'm looking back into the whole thing again, it doesn't look like a real eureka moment like what she probably wanted to sell it as, just an scum push made out of necessity, caused by her being the odd one out after a Titus lynch.
Like she HAS to do this now or else tomorrow, regardless of who was left alive, I'd definitely vote for her and the risk of DS and Nether voting her was too high to just go into a Titus lynch without a fight. Then with my lynchdespite me being generally accepted town, she'd be able to keep Titus in LYLO, because Titus would definitely be easier to mislynch then, especially after I'd have gone and flipped town while having Titus as my #1 preferred lynch and scumread.
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LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I don't get how you can't see this Nether.
Like, DS, I get it. He's been stuck in his tunnel since the beginning of time.
But you have to be smarter than this, come on.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Like, you talk about how you lost your last game and you're worried you'll lose this one.
And yet, you're sitting here, just letting Marquis fucking take you for a ride.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4144, Marquis wrote:lol if i'm your "100% scum" pick for sure why are you so concerned with having to prove me wrong rather than just scum. like now it just looks like you're mad at me scumreading you over titus, when if you actually believed your "reads" it's more likely you'd just dismiss me than attempting to explain yourself. it's like you're still trying to make yourself look good for later, anticipating my townflip.
but is the game going to end today after all? oh no! you're in danger
No one is gonna fucking lynch you tomorrow, asshole.
That's why I'm pushing so hard today.
I don't trust these assclowns to lynch you when I flip town, or when Titus flips town.
Otherwise, I'd fucking let it all ride and watch you fucking burn for being such a cocky arrogant dickweed.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4146, Marquis wrote:In post 4143, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I don't get how you can't see this Nether.
Like, DS, I get it. He's been stuck in his tunnel since the beginning of time.
But you have to be smarter than this, come on.
what DS tunnel lol??? now you're trying to discredit someone you're supposedly calling 100% town
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HE HAS BEEN CALLING ME SCUM SINCE DAY 3.
HE IS TUNNELLING ON ME.
HOW IS THIS FUCKING HARD, OH MY GOD YOU'RE SUCH A CHEEKY SCUMFUCKYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4147, Marquis wrote:In post 4145, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like, you talk about how you lost your last game and you're worried you'll lose this one.
And yet, you're sitting here, just letting Marquis fucking take you for a ride.
if anyone's pulling out the AtE.......... or rather an appeal to others' emotions....................... lol
YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT I'M GOING TO APPEAL TO HIS EMOTIONS.
MAFIA ISN'T A FUCKING GAME OF LOGIC, IT HAS EMOTIONAL BASIS AND MOTIVATIONAL BACKGROUND.
THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO INSINUATE OTHERWISE IS FUCKING HILARIOUSYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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MARQUIS IS LITERALLY TRYING TO DISCREDIT AND MISREPRESENT MY POINTS, TO GET AN EASY LYNCH.
NETHER I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD YOU BETTER FUCKING SEE THIS SHIT OR I'M GOING TO FUCKING FREAK.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4155, Titus wrote:In post 4153, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:MARQUIS IS LITERALLY TRYING TO DISCREDIT AND MISREPRESENT MY POINTS, TO GET AN EASY LYNCH.
NETHER I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD YOU BETTER FUCKING SEE THIS SHIT OR I'M GOING TO FUCKING FREAK.
Step away please. *hug* My vote isn't moving.
KISS MY ASS.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'M FUCKING DONE PLAYING NICE WITH YOU FUCKS.
DS, YOU'RE BEING A FUCKING BLIND MORON WHO IS OVERRELIANT ON FUCKING ROLEINTERACTIONS AND TUNNELING AND IT'S FUCKING MAKING YOU A GODDAMMNED TERRIBLE PLAYER.
NETHER, YOU'RE BEING FUCKING HAUNTED BY GHOSTS OF PARANOIA AND FEAR AND LETTING IT CONTROL YOU AND HOLY SHIT IT'S BAD.
I SWEAR TO GOD, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TYPE "VOTE: MARQUIS" AND THE GAME IS OVER BUT NO YOU CAN'T FIND ENOUGH BRAIN CAPACITYYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4159, Marquis wrote:In post 4148, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:In post 4144, Marquis wrote:lol if i'm your "100% scum" pick for sure why are you so concerned with having to prove me wrong rather than just scum. like now it just looks like you're mad at me scumreading you over titus, when if you actually believed your "reads" it's more likely you'd just dismiss me than attempting to explain yourself. it's like you're still trying to make yourself look good for later, anticipating my townflip.
but is the game going to end today after all? oh no! you're in danger
No one is gonna fucking lynch you tomorrow, asshole.
That's why I'm pushing so hard today.
I don't trust these assclowns to lynch you when I flip town, or when Titus flips town.
Otherwise, I'd fucking let it all ride and watch you fucking burn for being such a cocky arrogant dickweed.
but last time i checked your stated reason for lynching me today was because of the whole potential draw bullshit!
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FUCK YOU I HAVE SO MANY REASONS AND YOURE CHERRY PPICKING ONE THING I BROUGHT UP
HOLY FUCK THE MISREPRESENTATIONYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Go play in a fucking septic tank, you waste of breath.
Jesus, "oh your rage is fake, oh, look at that space"
is there nothing you can't misrepresent? are you like the king of fake scumtells?
Seriously, it's impressive, and makes me want to fucking BASH YOUR FUCKING BEIANS IN FWWQJdgsghsf
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In post 4166, Marquis wrote:In post 4164, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Go play in a fucking septic tank, you waste of breath.
Jesus, "oh your rage is fake, oh, look at that space"
is there nothing you can't misrepresent? are you like the king of fake scumtells?
Seriously, it's impressive, and makes me want to fucking BASH YOUR FUCKING BEIANS IN FWWQJdgsghsf
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I wonder how many more times you'll be allowed to get away with being a horrible person before the rules are actually enforced.
Yeah, ok, this is too far but calling me a fucking truther, that's TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE.
Get off your fucking highhorse, you cunt.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Nether, can you ask the mod on how... flexible they will be in you telling me what kinds of things Titus has said in those neighbourhoods over the nights? Like, whether you can basically copy and paste, post word for word, paraphrase, or whether you have to like, be vague?
Because I feel like I'm missing a good 30% of the game's info here.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ok guys, I AM going to reread this game, but I fear that will only stick me into ingrown biases from when I originally read those comments.
So, while I'm going to supplement my actions today with a healthy re-read of things (and a new read of things I haven't seen, like Titus' posts in the QTs), my main focus today is going to be on discerning the difference in motivations you've had over the game.
So, we start here:
1)We all know that, had Nether chosen to target anyone but SDB the night he investigated him, this game would likely be over. (Exceptions being Spiffeh or DS, but those were never options on his pallette and would have gotten Nether lynched, so)
The questions I have for you both on this subject:
We know it benefits Nether!scum to target SDB, and kill one of the receivers, because if gives him the most possible outs, and doesn't give town an innocent result (which would have been game over for the scum). The question is, is there any real world where Nether!town makes that play? Nether was adamant earlier that he made a mistake. He even went as far to suggest he hadlocked in an investigation on me, and then changed it. Nether, I'd like to give you a chance to explain what made you make these choices. Why change off of me? Why investigate SDB? Titus, I'd like to hear whether you think there exists any world where this kind of explination and action can really come from town.
2) We all know Titus' interactions with Ika day 1 were odd, to say the least. My perspective on them, up until this point, has been that this was a function of Ika being scum, and Titus not knowing how to really handle the dissonance between wanting to work with Ika, and seeing how Ika was posting.
My questions to you are this:
Is there a world where Ika and Titus don't plan their interactions beforehand in the scum qt, should they be scum together? Is it more likely these two players, who areknown to have the ability to solidly read each other, or at least decentlywould not plan something to fake, or just hard bus one another? For Titus, I would like an explination of what was going through your mind during the day 1 wagon, what your feelings on Ika were, what drove your actions, what created that awkwardness. For Nether, I would like your opinion on whether it is possible that Ika and Titus would be so unprepared going into that day, ESPECIALLY day 1, and whether this was some kind of failed "half-bus".Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I highly encourage you both to ask me any kinds of questions like these you want answered, concerning my motivations.
It helps me 2 ways. 1) It helps you see that I am infact town, and shed some of the paranoia.
2) It helps me see what kinds of things concern you, and whether you're simply fabricating kind of meaningless questions, or whether your concerns are valid. Essentially, when you stare into me, the cat stares back at mew.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Acually, question 3, since this is bugging the shit out of me:
Nether, what is your motivation for saying "If you quicklynch me, there's nothing I can do about it."?
Titus, what is your motivation in dignifying that with an automated, obvious response?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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and the 3rd question?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4201, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Acually, question 3, since this is bugging the shit out of me:
Nether, what is your motivation for saying "If you quicklynch me, there's nothing I can do about it."?
Titus, what is your motivation in dignifying that with an automated, obvious response?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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What?
How does that in any fucking way have anything to do withYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4197, Titus wrote:Not quicklynching here.
While I think Marquis was wrong, this is Lylo and I do need to reread.
THIS SHIT?
HOW DOES THAT COMPUTE, TITUS I'M FUCKING BROKENYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm tilted.
I'm super tilted.
Nothing makes sense and you're not helping, god why do you make me suffer soYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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OK BUT LIKE
WHY IS THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING?
LIKE, TAKE A REAL LONG LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK YOURSELF
"HMM, WAS I GOING TO QUICK LYNCH ANYONE TODAY ANYWAY?"
OR IS THIS CONVERSATION TOPIC WE HAD LITERALLY JUST PLACATION?
LIKE, WHAT MOTIVATION DO YOU HAVE TO EVEN DISCUSS THAT, TITUS? WE BOTH ALREADY TOLD HIM THIS YESTERDAY, AND TOWNIES GENERALLY DON'T FUCKING QUICKLYNCH IN LYLO UNLESS THEY'RE MOORONS.
ARE YOU A MORON TITUS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYINGYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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and further, like, what is the motivation for them publically talking about it again, after talking about it in the QT?
Like, so I can see it? are you trying to convince me you're town in this fashion?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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of course he fucking already planned to murder DS, dude.
Think about it.
Not killing DS means a cop result exists, and sure he ccan just kill whoever he targets with the cop
but....
if anyone but DS dies, whichever one of you or me is still alive is confirmed town.
So maybe he like, kills you and tries to get me to lynch DS?
But that's just an untenable situation.
He more or less HAS to kill DS.
BTW, you said you wanted him to target himself with the cop?
I would like to direct your attention to the rulesYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Rules Part 3: Actions and Roles wrote: You cannot target yourselfYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This is why "automated repetition of a conversation we already had" is fucking bad, ebcause one of you is scum and is obviously going to do whatever they can. There's no more "how will this make me look later". The name of the game for scum is "convince one person you are town and/or convince one person someone else is scum".Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I already told you what I'm trying to learn. My goal is to endevour to learn the motivations behind some of the more impactful actions you've both taken this game, and use that to get a better idea of which of you two is scum.
Also, what I've learned is that you don't know how to read. It's not the cop result, or the night kill that kills you, it's this.
Titus and LLD scum both are required to kill DS.
DS!scum is required to kill you.
You can't kill yourself, so if DS doesn't die, along with the result that will provide, it makes you very obviously scum.
You can claim "oh people might kill different things for WIFOM" but literally, DS was a forced kill for Titus or I, and sinceDS couldn't know who you were targetting, he would have been forced to kill YOU.
Which means the literal only kill you could make that wouldn't instantly make you obvious scum would be DS.
Understand now?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4222, Netherspite wrote:I understand this logic but I still believe you underrate the WIFOM.
I'd think twice before making so obvious conclusions.
Anyway, your logic says that any scum!one of us was forced to kill DS (except DS himself ofc). What does that give us even if we exclude the WIFOM?
The comment was in reference to Titus' post, claiming that she was responsible for DS being the kill last night, because she some how made you target yourself.
My response to that was "any scum already had planned to kill DS this night, almost certainly, and btw also you can't target yourself per the rules what the fuck are you smoking titus"
In terms of actual "does this knowledge help us find out who scum is?" it's.... not amazingly helpful, but watching both your reactions to the logic gives me things to think on.
I need new content, fresh content, to be confident in my read, because right now I'm battling against 7 prior days of bias and it's really hard.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Like, understand that I don't just play differently than both of you, I'm an entire other ballpark. Both of you today are gonna go back and review posts and come to an informed conclusion based on "logic and fact" and I'm just sitting here trying to make sense of how you're going to come to a different result than you came to before?
Like, that's my thing. I need to generate content and reactions to feel even remotely confident today. I hope that at least one of you gets on this bandwagon with me, and starts playing this game with me, because you'll se very quickly, that once you engage me, my town motivations are clear.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4224, Netherspite wrote:I won't be posting much content before I'll re-read the game.
I really need that because I've already forgot half of the events in the game.
I mean, you do what you think is best, I just like...
I don't grasp the concept, and I'd so prefer to have a buddy who is willing to play reaction/intent/motivation ping pong with me.
Like, that instead of actively going through a library of awkward content, chooses to give me the chance to read them correctly, by engaging me on a field that I can understand.
Because I'm expecting both of you to post huge fucking walls that I won't read because they'll be dull and easily replicable by scum. EASILY faked.
So... I mean, do you, but please consider.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4227, Titus wrote:Why are you supposing I will come to a different conclusion?
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Is this directed at me?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'll assume it is and respond and if it isn't then oh well I don't care.
I'm not assuming you'll come to a different conclusion, I'm afraid you're fucking scum, Titus.
I'm legitimately afraid that you've been buddying me since day fucking 1, and I've held a blindspot for you, amplified by the good I thoguht you were doing with the neighbourhood.
I'm also afraid OF THAT FEAR. That my own paranoia about you might drive me to make a wrong choice and I won''t forgive myself.
I take losses as town extremely hard, especially ones where I was in control and couldn't win the game for my team.
I'm less concerned that one of you will read me incorrectly. I think that both of you will see, through the way I play, that I'm town and in the end that's all I CAN do.
I can't control either of your opinions on me, and I know for sure that one of you is scum, so only one of your opinions actually matters.
So for the moment, instead of worrying about what I can't control (i.e: being read correctly as town) I'll just let my play do the talking for me, and focus on what I CAN control (i.e: correctly figuring out which of you is scum).Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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