Open 679: Jungle Oligarchy (Game OVER)

Aristophanes · Post Post #977 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:52 pm

Hey all!
I'd forgotten I'd replaced in here. Sup!

Aristophanes · Post Post #985 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 984, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 977, Aristophanes wrote:Hey all!
I'd forgotten I'd replaced in here. Sup!
Hi ari!

Long time no see!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1013 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 am

In post 1006, davesaz wrote:
Riley Cake requested replacement.

</3

Aristophanes · Post Post #1031 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:59 pm

In post 1014, Spade_Ace wrote:Hey ari, any thoughts on the game???

Spade, what should I feel things about? I'll look at the things you recommend.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1075 (isolation #4) » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:39 am

Okay,
VOTE: Hikari

Ümlaüt, I hope it's nothing serious! <3

Aristophanes · Post Post #1080 (isolation #5) » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:47 am

In post 1076, Infinity 324 wrote:Have you read up yet ari? If so, thoughts?

Not really. I'm on it tomorrow though maybe. The night took so long to end that I lost a lot of motivation here.

In post 1079, Aj The Epic wrote:Hello! Summary as I read in?

About half the game is new. Welcome!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1108 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:40 pm

In post 1101, Spade_Ace wrote:
In post 1088, Aj The Epic wrote:Ari also isn't a risky player as scum iirc. I've heard his general meta is 'don't post as scum, posts a fair bit as town'.
Yes I too have heard that as Scum he usually lurks. Which is why I wanted to know his thoughts on the game.

You are both correct. I've just been busy and quite honestly a little depressed recently. It'll pass and I'll come back in here in full swing, but meh.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1112 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:12 am

Inb4 Amished Tell

Aristophanes · Post Post #1130 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:03 am

In post 1097, Spade_Ace wrote:
In post 1031, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1014, Spade_Ace wrote:Hey ari, any thoughts on the game???
Spade, what should I feel things about? I'll look at the things you recommend.
Regarding the lynch list, the flips, who you think Hans partner could be based on his ISO. Anything.

Okay! D1 lynchlisters are probably all not Mafia explicitly. QT died, and I am town, leaving Lucca as an unknown. I'd have to read them to see if they seem like a partner for Hans, but it seems like it's unlikely mathematically.

I can also take a look at Hans and QT I suppose to see if there's a good reason QT died and whether Hans left any associative tells.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1138 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:23 pm

In post 1137, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1130, Aristophanes wrote:Okay! D1 lynchlisters are probably all not Mafia explicitly. QT died, and I am town, leaving Lucca as an unknown. I'd have to read them to see if they seem like a partner for Hans, but it seems like it's unlikely mathematically.
Not really.

Mafia listing their likeliest suspect for ww to give them towncred is a valid strategy because they know the ww isn't going to very well shoot themselves.

True, but early game it seems to me like an unnecessary gamble. Perhaps you're correct though. I'll not rule them out!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1183 (isolation #10) » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:28 pm

Just did a quick skim in Kop and Lucca's Isosceles and could easily see scum there. Happy to hammer when the time is right.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1186 (isolation #11) » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:01 pm

I'm just really not in this game guys. I don't know what else to tell you!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1188 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:14 pm

In post 1187, Hiraki wrote:OK but everyone is saying that you lurk in your scum meta and you are seeming to lurk

do you have any comment there because you've clearly avoided talking about it

No no, I've commented on the correctness of these statements. It is my scum meta to lurk. At times it is my town meta to lurk. Lurking isn't a scum tell for me, but being active pretty much guarantees I'm town. Mastina and Nacho have summed this up beautifully in the past.

Usually games where I get very behind, overwhelmed, or just don't feel the game are ones where I lurk the most. The long break before getting to start this game combined with being on the lynch list ensured that I didn't waste my time reading back, having a 1 in 3 chance of dying, led me to a lack of caring for the game. If I live long enough, it will return. If I do not, then my apologies for wasting a lynch.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1192 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:38 am

In post 1189, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1188, Aristophanes wrote:The long break before getting to start this game combined with being on the lynch list ensured that I didn't waste my time reading back, having a 1 in 3 chance of dying, led me to a lack of caring for the game.
That's sad and all, but that excuse flew out the window when the day started with you still being alive.

We need you to be in the game if you're going to be in the game

If not, replace out.

Okay deal.

UNVOTE:

I'll get into it at some point within the next couple days I think.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1217 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:55 pm

In post 1206, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1183, Aristophanes wrote:Just did a quick skim in Kop and Lucca's Isosceles and could easily see scum there. Happy to hammer when the time is right.
It's been two pages with nothing of note happening since he was placed at L-1.

Hammer away.

<3

VOTE: Kop

Although pretty sure NM hammered on entry! Classic XD

I'll try to catch up in the night!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1287 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:36 pm

Lmao I've been on every list so far! XD

Why do they want me dead so badly when I ain't done shit??

Aristophanes · Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:34 am

In post 1288, Infinity 324 wrote:Hey ari! Do you think you can give some content sometime soon?

It won't be long now! I swear!

And Grey, Infinity is correct. A quickhammer or two are absolutely NAI for NM. It makes them hard to read, but it doesn't make them scum.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1322 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:13 am

Just a thought, but do you think the Mafia have me on the list because they think I'm town, WW, or for Wine reasons?

BTD, what do you mean by "based on the posting" for me seemingly being WW?

Aristophanes · Post Post #1325 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:37 am

In post 1323, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1322, Aristophanes wrote:Just a thought, but do you think the Mafia have me on the list because they think I'm town, WW, or for Wine reasons?

BTD, what do you mean by "based on the posting" for me seemingly being WW?
If mafia were ww reading you, I don't think they'd be listing you because your continued existence is necessary for mafia to thin out town and highlighting the fact you aren't getting killed over and over again is bad Scum play.

But they'll have to have their WW read in there at some point for sure! 3:5 Mafia:Not ratio atm. So if they aren't listing themselves, 3/4 remaining have to be in that list and are either town or WW. That means that going into tomorrow they can be easily PoE'd I don't think that's something they want to do, so they are likely to WW hunt at this point.

As well, we're getting to the point where WW can't make an NK because it will lose them the game. Iirc Mafia need to Atchison town numbers, so if the WW kills tn and kills town,(which will be the full list for tn) and we ML today, scum win coming into the day at 3:3.

So WW isn't a big deal atm. We need to get rid of the Mafia to win this!

This post started with a different intention than it ended up with, but so be it.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1326 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:40 am

In post 1324, -Grey- wrote:Also, I'm pretty damned sure there would have been a kill last night if Ari was ww.

The Wolf is flaked.

Yeah, I'd have made a kill for sure. That's all wine, but you're right.

Of course, then today would be full Lylo, not Mylo (which I just did the math to figure out).

Honestly, the WW needs to claim and we all need to promise not to lynch them so we have a confirmed non-Mafia member to rally around. It's the only way either of us can win this game.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1329 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:45 am

In post 1327, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1326, Aristophanes wrote:That's all wine, but you're right.
90% of Mafia is figuring out which glass has the poison.

Absolutely!

What do you think of my number crunch? We're in a more dire situation than I had previously thought!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1331 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:59 am

So, living list people are: Ari (3), BTD (2), NM (1).
I doubt Mafia put themselves up more than once making BTD likely town. NM is possible Mafia but I don't think scum would want to risk a perfect win when N3 rolled around.

This leaves a lynch pool of {Grey, Umlaut, LUV, Infinity, Hiraki}.

At least 2, and likely 3, are Mafia. Let's figure out who!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1336 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:11 am

Okay, so we assume NM is Werewolf?
Still not our priority. We then go into tomorrow in full Lylo, just no NKs. So we would have to agree that BTD and I are conftown never to be lynched to even have a chance. I don't think many are ready to do that atm, so WW hunting NM isn't priority today. If we get the other 2 Mafia, NM should be considered for sure! But it is far more likely to hinder us at this point.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1340 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:18 am

In post 1339, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually ari you're right that we get an extra lynch before lylo if we don't kill ww yet. Cool.

Lynch hiraki?

I do alright when I try, eh?

Let me read his ISO and see where I'm at after that!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1342 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:25 am

In post 1341, Infinity 324 wrote:Well probably mafia weren't predicting any of them lynched any time soon n1. So maybe the n1 kill list doesn't matter?

I'm the only one still alive from the N1 kill list

Aristophanes · Post Post #1344 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:32 am

In post 1343, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm decently comfortable calling ari, btd, and umlaut town and just lynching everyone else, but I do want to do some NKA first.

PEdit: yeah but I'm wondering if mafia listed the people scumreading them.

Oooooh! Smart!

That'd def be something to look at (or not, if they were pretty confident as you say).

Aristophanes · Post Post #1374 (isolation #26) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:11 pm

Grey, that is an impressive Iso you have!

Can you explain how you went from Locks cum on Momo to Maybe scum maybe bad town on CO to not mentioning Infinity at all unless he addressed you, in which case you immediately call him scum, but not a priority?

It just seems a weird read progression for the slot.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1375 (isolation #27) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:13 pm

Also Hiraki had the most bland Iso...
Fits in nicely, doesn't ruffle feathers, just a snooze fest.

I think it looks like appeasy/low key scum.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1376 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:13 pm

Oh, and Grey Vs Hans was hilarious to read! XD
I'm really glad I did that!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1379 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 1378, Hiraki wrote:Ari who are your TRs atm

BTD due to NK lists.
Grey and Infinity I think are of the same alignment, so either both town or both mafia. I'm leaning towards the former. This leaves you, Umlaut, LUV, and NM, with 4 antitown slots to fill.

I need to finish Isos on everyone to say I'm okay with this, but that's where I'm at with what I've read.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1381 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:34 pm

In post 1380, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1379, Aristophanes wrote:Grey and Infinity I think are of the same alignment, so either both town or both mafia. I'm leaning towards the former.
Once NM flips mafia, can I rely on you to help me bus Infinity?

Hahaha sure!
Unless he asks me to bus you in a more persuasive way!
Like with cookies

Aristophanes · Post Post #1383 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:39 pm

You know, an actual InfinityBus would be useless because it wouldn't be able to move without hitting itself. You'd just have to walk inside it to wherever you wanted to go, making it obsolete.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1385 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:47 pm

BTD iso honestly sucks. The continual "life's busy" excuse and horrible reasoning for WW reading me (first, because I was on the list but survived, therefore WW chances increase, then "because of posting," then based on my unnamed predecessor maybe having defended Hans if BTD remembers correctly.)

I want to townread because of the lists, but by his own reasoning that makes BTD more likely scum apparently, and his posting honestly doesn't help this. Not Voting there to say and want to call it town from lists, but bleh, he isn't making it easy!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1386 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:48 pm

In post 1384, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1383, Aristophanes wrote:You know, an actual InfinityBus would be useless because it wouldn't be able to move without hitting itself. You'd just have to walk inside it to wherever you wanted to go, making it obsolete.
Not necessarily true.

If the infinity bus was always moving, it would never be in the way because it would be reoccupying the space it just vacated.

Just like that crazy worm game!!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1387 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:58 pm

In post 1215, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Kop

In post 1270, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Spade Ace

This is NM's whole Iso?

I thought you guys were exaggerating...

Aristophanes · Post Post #1390 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:15 pm

LUV could easily be last werewoof.

Umlaut I do wasn't bad. He's in that null, might replace a townread part of the reads that I dislike using at this point in the game.

Did I miss anyone?

Aristophanes · Post Post #1393 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:26 pm

D1 is so long tho! Any points of interest I can fast forward to?

Aristophanes · Post Post #1396 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:28 pm

In post 1392, Not_Mafia wrote:You guys are party poopers

Oh a NM!!!

Welcome to the game

Any thoughts other than us being akin to those who excrete upon your celebratory gatherings?

Aristophanes · Post Post #1397 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:29 pm

In post 1394, Not_Mafia wrote:I wanted my iso to be solely hammer votes and you took my dream from me

In post 1395, Not_Mafia wrote:Does it make you feel good? Does it make you feel big to crush people's dreams?

I mean, not when you say it that way...

But also, yeah. Just a little bit!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1398 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:41 pm

I did an Iso skim of Hans and don't see what you mean.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1400 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:54 pm

In post 1399, -Grey- wrote:... so bad.

You suck, Grey!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1403 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:05 pm

In post 1402, Not_Mafia wrote:Whoah wtf. Why am I being suspected?

In post 1394, Not_Mafia wrote:I wanted my iso to be solely hammer votes and you took my dream from me

Why do you think?

Aristophanes · Post Post #1404 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:06 pm

In post 1401, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1400, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1399, -Grey- wrote:... so bad.
You suck, Grey!
Why would Hans' partner bus him so hard on d1 when there is only the two of them?

It really didn't look like that hard a bus to me tho...

Aristophanes · Post Post #1408 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:11 pm

In post 1406, -Grey- wrote:
In post 378, davesaz wrote:
Votecount
1.3

Superhans (5) : lucca261, ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, -Grey-, Riley Cake

In post 603, davesaz wrote:
Votecount
1.4

Superhans (4) : ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, -Grey-, Riley Cake

In post 725, davesaz wrote:
Votecount
1.5

Superhans (4) : ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, -Grey-, Riley Cake

In post 862, davesaz wrote:
Votecount
1.5

Superhans (7) : ChaosOmega, Lil Uzi Vert, Riley Cake, -Grey-, BTD6_maker, Quick Transcendence, lucca261 (Lynch)

Uzi is not Hans' partner. There was plenty of room for him to justifiably leave the wagon on Hans d1 but he stuck it out.

If you want to scumread him, it has to be as mafia.

I guess so.
It didn't seem like a big bus via interactions though, just a small one.
VC says differently though.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1410 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:13 pm

In post 1405, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1403, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1402, Not_Mafia wrote:Whoah wtf. Why am I being suspected?
In post 1394, Not_Mafia wrote:I wanted my iso to be solely hammer votes and you took my dream from me
Why do you think?
How are those two quotes related?

Your Iso was 2 hammer votes, both on town, and that's all.

I know that's somewhat NAI for you, but you must acknowledge the extremity of this instance and recognize that it could be seen as scummy.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1411 (isolation #45) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:14 pm

In post 1407, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1404, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1401, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1400, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1399, -Grey- wrote:... so bad.
You suck, Grey!
Why would Hans' partner bus him so hard on d1 when there is only the two of them?
It really didn't look like that hard a bus to me tho...
Yeah well, you miss a lot of shit when you decide to be lazy and not read.

You say lazy, I say busy.

Point taken however.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1413 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:24 pm

In post 1412, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1373, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1350, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think n_m's slot has done almost anything AI, and I only have him as scum based on PoE, so I'm not really comfortable lynching him yet.
How long does a slot have to do nothing for you to become comfortable lynching it?
...forever? I don't lynch people for not posting content. Unless they're scum by PoE.

Or if they're Ari, amirite

Aristophanes · Post Post #1418 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:55 am

In post 1416, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1413, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1412, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1373, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1350, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think n_m's slot has done almost anything AI, and I only have him as scum based on PoE, so I'm not really comfortable lynching him yet.
How long does a slot have to do nothing for you to become comfortable lynching it?
...forever? I don't lynch people for not posting content. Unless they're scum by PoE.
Or if they're Ari, amirite
Well you're a special case

Why do you think grey and LUV haven't appeared on the kill list once? Why do you say me and grey are aligned?

I'm really not sure who the werewolf is, but hopefully we can figure that out later.

I like being special! XD

I don't know why they wouldn't have appeared. It is possible scum put mostly lurkers either to direct the kill (why kill me or BTD when another player is on there), of as Wine so the active players would tear each other apart. That's about as good as I have on a theory there.

You and Grey just have a thing and I'm not sure what to call it. Like, it's basically a gut feel, but I usually don't get ones of this sort.

Wow I sound dumb sometimes

Aristophanes · Post Post #1420 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:13 am

In post 1419, Infinity 324 wrote:You don't think it's too much of a risk for mafia to repeatedly keep universal townreads off the hit list when no one was suspecting them? I know it's wine but that just seems weird to me. And the thing is, N2 was you, BTD, and AJ, who wasn't threatening anyone. D3 was all inactive slots. With grey town and even with LUV town that's inexplicable to me.

Hmm...
This is a very good point indeed!

I'll have to consider it!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1425 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:53 pm

In post 1421, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What's VC?

I wanna join more new games already. Who's scum and why?

You,because you clearly don't care about a town win here, just a want to secure a lynch!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1427 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:03 pm

That was partially tongue in cheek

Because I get why you want this to be over.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1500 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:22 pm

Dammit Umlaut! I wanted to Lolhammer him!!!

At least I get the Pagetop.

Also, Didn't you used to be Ümlaüt??
When did that change? It's been bugging me for a while now.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1506 (isolation #52) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:34 pm

Oh shit, I forgot about this game again :S

Lemme get back to you in a quick few minutes, yeah?

Aristophanes · Post Post #1507 (isolation #53) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:40 pm

Grey, get back here. You're obv not hammered.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1509 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:45 pm

In post 1331, Aristophanes wrote:So, living list people are: Ari (3), BTD (2), NM (1).
I doubt Mafia put themselves up more than once making BTD likely town. NM is possible Mafia but I don't think scum would want to risk a perfect win when N3 rolled around.

This leaves a lynch pool of {Grey, Umlaut, LUV, Infinity, Hiraki}.

At least 2, and likely 3, are Mafia. Let's figure out who!

NM, I'd be willing to add you to this.

Imma do the quickest of Iso skims and see who comes out as scum today.
Honestly, WW should claim at some point because without that this process is so difficult and Mafia are going to fucking win.
I promise you I will not vote you if you do claim! It needs to happen tho!
Have you ever seen an IC who can shoot within a Vig Pool set up by the Mafia? Because that's what I would consider you at that point!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1510 (isolation #55) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:45 pm

In post 1508, Not_Mafia wrote:There's no way Grey legitimately thought he was hammered

I know, but he disappeared and the game went quiet, so I wanted to specify that he's being dumb.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1511 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:59 pm

First comment, I believe I mentioned Grey and Inf should be of the same alignment, yeah?

So, like, we should lynch one today. The other will then be assumed (by me at least) to be of that same alignment.

The WW should abaolutely not kill tn.
Moving on.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1512 (isolation #57) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:10 pm

I still think LUV is WW, but whatever. Whether he's town or WW we're not lynching him today, and I'm pretty sure he's not Mafia.

Umlaut is vert lightly possible as Mafia, but I like them as town for now.
If town ends up as {Me, Infinity, Grey, ???} I'd be most comfortable with him in that slot.

NM sucks this game. I can'r fucking read that.
I'll say maybe scum, but whatever. They are the other lynch that is possible today, and as ideal as it is in some ways, I;m sure it'll screw us in the end.

Hiraki can be scum, but not today scum.
Today scum should be NM or Inf/Grey. The one gets rid of whatever you want to call NM's play today, the other gets us what I'd consider a vert strong townread, or an essentially confscum read.

So, I guess as a reads list I have:
LUV (WW)
Hiraki

NM
Grey/Inf
Umlaut

(Scum to town ovbiously)

But I want to lynch in the NM/Grey/Inf spot today, as odd as that is.

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Aristophanes · Post Post #1527 (isolation #59) » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:00 pm

Willing to consider hammering.
I still don't get how I could be WW, but read me as you like!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1529 (isolation #60) » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:11 pm

Hmm....it's Def L-1.

You make me really nervous with your insistence that I do though.

You're lucky I'm in a really "fuckit, I'm tired!" mood right now.

VOTE: -Grey-

I don;t think I've voted you before, so this feels good to do

Aristophanes · Post Post #1531 (isolation #61) » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:20 pm

In post 1528, Not_Mafia wrote:Do it

In post 1530, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

Inb4 scumbuddies

Aristophanes · Post Post #1533 (isolation #62) » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:23 pm

In post 1532, Not_Mafia wrote:Nah I'm wolf and he's mafia

Seems legit

Aristophanes · Post Post #1536 (isolation #63) » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:35 pm

Sorry Grey <3

Also, 2 scum factions, so thats not a totally valid argument.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1544 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:22 am

Fuck.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1545 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:23 am

Why are we so bad this game!?

WW, good call on the no kill.
I'm fucking serious when I say you need to out yourself if any of us have a chance of winning this game!

Please do so in your next post.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1548 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:58 am

Lylo.
3:1:3 atm.

If the wolf outs them self and we lynch Mafia today, 2:1:3. WW kills town at night, 2:1:2. We still cannot kill him else we lose.

We magically lynch Mafia again, 1:1:2. He kills town at night, 1:1:1. Lylo.

He has to lynch Mafia to fulfill his wincon. Town is basically screwed already. In this scenario, either mafia risk NK and loss or keeps themselves off of the kill lists, basically outing themselves.

If WW kills Mafia at night (which we do hope for), it is the only chance of a town win right now.

Boom! #Math #GameSolving #StillLostTho

So Werewolf, come be our IC!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1550 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:01 am

In post 1546, Not_Mafia wrote:Thinking the hit list last night was the mafia team, mafia knew Wolf couldn't kill and all 3 haven't done much, can see them nominating themselves as WIFOM, all 3 yesterday were content to just go with the flow and did nothing to direct the game, which tells me the status quo of the game is working for them right now

I've been on every kill list! You really think I'm gonna take that risk every night as scum??

It is possible that one or both of the others are Mafia trying to play with Wine a bit, but me? Seriously.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1551 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:02 am

In post 1549, Not_Mafia wrote:1:1:1 is a mafia win

Not according to their wincons in the OP...

Aristophanes · Post Post #1553 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:05 am

[tab][/tab]

In post 0, davesaz wrote:
Sample role PMs

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].
Abilities:
Factional communication: Anytime you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].
Factional Targetting: During the day, you must submit a list of 3 players, which can change throughout the day. At the start of night, the list is made public in-thread; if the werewolves choose to nightkill, the target must be one from the list.

Win condition: You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

Werewolf

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Werewolf, along with your partner, [Player Name].
Abilities:
Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partner here [QuickTopic link].
Factional kill: Each night phase, you or your partner may perform the group nightkill. However, the target must be one from the list posted in-thread.

Win condition: You win when at least half of the living players are werewolves and at least one pro-town role remains, or if you obtain full majority, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
[/area]

Aristophanes · Post Post #1554 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:06 am

In post 1552, Not_Mafia wrote:From wiki:

If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.

Same endgame rules as Republic

Oh...fucking Wiki.

Then Mafia have already won unless WW kills one at night. All they have to do is only place town on the kill lists.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1557 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:10 am

OK, so no NK ever at night.

Means 2:1:3 tomorrow if we nail Mafia.
We then have to work our way through all 3 before we lynch WW still because otherwise we go into insta 2:3 lylo.
Still better if we all agree to keep the WW around as long as possible.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1560 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:23 am

NM, be real now.
You're sounding like Mafia looking to push a town lynch right now.

So either we work together or don't, but if we don't I'm gonna assume you're Scum.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1563 (isolation #73) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:41 am

I didn't realize the 1:1:1 clause, so I may have been incorrect. Still better for us to keep them alive as long as possible.

I don't know now. If not for that clause I'd have had this all figured out.
I guess it doesn't matter, as long as we get Mafia today.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1567 (isolation #74) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:59 pm

In post 1566, Infinity 324 wrote:I really really want to trust my reads. That would mean the scumteam is n_m, hiraki, and LUV

But ari was obvious town and mafia knew the wolf was aiming for them. Why would they put 2 mafia there? Maybe they predicted the no kill. Idk.

I mean, no kill was the best option and we all knew it. Worth the gamble imo.

I do like your scum pool tho

Aristophanes · Post Post #1589 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:34 am

Happy Birthday Infinity!!!!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1603 (isolation #76) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:53 am

Inb4 I'm the tie breaker

Aristophanes · Post Post #1611 (isolation #77) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:07 am

Welp :S

Aristophanes · Post Post #1633 (isolation #78) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:07 am

Fun stuff!

I may have sucked, but I did enjoy trying to figure this one out!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1635 (isolation #79) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:17 am

In post 1634, Infinity 324 wrote:It was fun trying to figure stuff out with you even though I had plans to stab you in the back

XD

I had such a conflicted read on you this game!
I was like, "He can't be Mafia, but something's not right!"
I guess I kinda was correct!

Also, if not for the 1:1:1 clause, would it not have made sense for you to out yourself? I think it would have absolutely been the right call if not for that.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1637 (isolation #80) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:49 am

Nah, I believed it was our best shot!

It ended up not mattering anyway though!

Aristophanes · Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:44 pm

In post 33, Spade_Ace wrote:I wonder why aristo is there on every list.

I just read the Scum thread, i still dont have an answer here.
Eapecially when it went from "Ari is likely WW" to "lets make a list with Ari and 2 Mafia because hes sure to die!" In, like, 5 posts lol