Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn’t get a day start PM

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hi guys, I am your friendly IC, Lil Uzi Vert. An IC is a voluntary teaching position and I am obligated to follow this and thus I cannot lie about game theory.

Most IC's will tell you to read the wiki and I agree, you should. It's a great resource but it is not a bible. Of particular note are Commonly Used Abbreviations and glossary and as always feel free to ask me anything.

I’ll be adding more stuff as we go along but the best way to learn is from experience so if you haven’t already, jump in, be active, and have fun!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hello everyone!

What's your favorite color?

VOTE: RedFlavor

Am I doing this right?

Uh were you talking about RVS? If so, there is no right or wrong way, just let things flow naturally

And so it begins.
VOTE: Inferno390
Because inside jokes.

Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

this is a scumclaim
sheep me

i want to see 9 votes on red now

gosh I need to vote myself for that

VOTE: redflavor

No. No. Self-voting is a big no no.

Self-voting early is a deliberately provocative act. Sometimes a deliberately provocative act can generate useful discussion, however making yourself easy to attack will mean it's easier for scum to attack you in a way which blends in with how the town attacks you. As such DPAs more often lead to noise and confusion, although self-voting is not really any more egregious than any other DPA.

‪If the town is incapable of generating discussion any other way, a DPA is useful, but most of the time it is a very sub-optimal way of getting people talking. ‬

‪The other applications are the self-hammer, which is often valid for scum and very, very rarely appropriate for town‬.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I guess I'll vote sheep. It seems kind of weird to want so many votes on red.

Vote: Sheep

‪What do you find weird about it? Are you town reading Red or just find that so far, there are no valid reasons to suspect him?‬

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Although inferno's posts are awkward, I don't think this shows scum. I look at his past games, and his wording is just as awkward.

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‪Avi, out of curiosity, what’s your mafia experience? How would you describe the way you scum hunt?‬

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I actually didn’t see that second post by Sunset. Makes me feel a little better about her.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@inferno

how much of 23 do you think was forced?

I don't think this is what you wanted to say. You are asking inferno if he thinks his own post was forced?

yes that's what i want from him

Why? You essentially asked a rhetorical question. What are you hoping to accomplish?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You appear to be very intent on discrediting everything Avi has to say and I'm not quite sure why.

This post looks like shading sheep imo

Could you explain why you felt she was shading sheep here?

Throwing shade is a sneaky way of making someone look bad without committing to it; pointing out something as scummy in a really shallow easy way or trying to sabotage one's reputation through cowardly means. I don't think she was being subtle by any means there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also, Sunset seems to be lurking quite a bit proportionally and not very sure of herself. Just not very good or newbscum?

You know better than this inferno. Sup.

What’s this all about now?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

sheep, you can literally say anything is forced. It doesn't hold much meaning without explanation.

Why what you’re seeing feels over-done? Why do you feel who you’re accusing is acting in an overwhelming way or behaving strangely?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Guys, talking about your reasoning and thoughts on reads is how games get solved. If you're town in most cases, there's not enough of a downside in being transparent and sharing just about everything you have on your mind with the rest of town to not do it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah at this point I'm just scumleaning on Avi. Behavior seems defensive and uncertain, might be because it's a newbie game but that still doesn't dismiss it as townie.

UNVOTE: RedFlavor
VOTE: Aviqf

I'm getting slight town vibes from Inferno and Sunlit, and slight scum vibes from RedFlavor and Sheep. Everyone else I'm kinda neutral on.

Could you explain why being defensive is scummy? Also point to posts that make you feel like he’s uncertain? I get a confident vibe from Avi.

Saul how am I being defensive/uncertain?

Read your posts.

This isn’t satisfactory. Scum aren’t going to go comb through their posts and highlight your reasoning for you so town can solve the game. Please point to where you’re seeing what you’re seeing and why.

thank you sheep!

my reads so far:

[Sunlit diamond]
[sheepsaysmeep, sauljoker, redflavor]
[inferno390, Lil Uzi Vert]
[sunset at dawn, creature]

@sheep I know it's reaching a bit, but I think scum are more likely to claim that they don't have any reads because they're scared of making mistakes.

Why sunlit diamond is sgo high

wolfy popin
nothing to say abt like interactions or smth that actually progresses the game

None of that makes it a scummy re-entrance into the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Are you trying to protect your wolf friend

Why did you deflect here? You question sheep on why he felt your pop-in was scummy and then just drop it. It’s confusing me.

sunset was online yesterday, lurking

I was online yesterday

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Try to not get caught up in semantics guys. Discussing the meaning or interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument, ends up doing more harm than good due to the noise it creates.

Yes, Saul didn’t avoid the question, but he didn’t really answer it if that makes sense. Deflecting and being evasive is what Saul was doing there.

Ok so my experience:

I have played around 10 games on my homesite. They were all big role madness games. In the first few games, there was a good amount of game analysis taking place. But recently, it has been full shitposting. I missed playing seriously, so i came here. I have also played Town of Salem a little bit, but I know ToS and this are really different.

@Sheep I don't really care if you think my reasoning is NAI, but I'm going to stick to my knowledge.

Ah.

The reason I had asked is because I found it a bit odd that you claimed to have looked at past game(s) of Inferno’s. Meta is something I wouldn’t expect a newer player to use as a way to read people since it’s very difficult to use correctly and even if you have a good understanding of it, it’s still sort of unreliable.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.

What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes.

What I mean is that I don't want to do something stupid like getting a power role lynched day one. That counts as a mistake.

And how would you manage to do that all by yourself? It currently takes 5 people to lynch someone.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Are you trying to protect your wolf friend

Why did you deflect here? You question sheep on why he felt your pop-in was scummy and then just drop it. It’s confusing me.

sunset was online yesterday, lurking

I was online yesterday

I dont see that why is it confusing

It’s confusing because it’s a reaction that seems unlikeky from someone being accused of wrongdoing.

I find it more likely for one to explain why they’re not gulity based on those accusations rather than to deflect.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Okay, just as a pointer form one newbie to another, one of the things I was told once in a newbie setup was that every vote you should make should have a purpose. Is it t oadd pressure? Gather information? Look for a response from the given player? Make sure that every vote you make ahs some sort of reasoning behind it other than "oh, this looks like a safe place to vote," becasue that deoesn't help you at all.

No wait. You're an SE. Surely you know all these things...?

Creature = scum?

this is disgusting

Why? Seems like a decent point to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Right, but Creature is an SE and arguably should be attempting to explain his votes to help teach alongside the IC.

Like I agree with you on the conclusion being bad but not necessarily how he got there. Naked voting is something that is viewed as AI due to the belief that trying to blend in and go unnoticed is scummy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Right, but Creature is an SE and arguably should be attempting to explain his votes to help teach alongside the IC.

You forgot who I am...

No I didn’t

Just going off of what I assume is proper SE play.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I hated that post and it’s only thing giving me pause on Inferno.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don’t see any motivation for him to point that out as either alignment though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Prod received.

Will get to this tonight. Apologies.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i should explain this

essentially what first stood out to me was him saying he could do a readlist, but asking town if he should first
town naturally is helped by constant lists, it's more of a do them if youre able to atm
263 is just bullshit :/

Don’t really think this is alignment indicative.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

someone try to sell me on town!inferno thx

Can you can sell us on scum Inferno? I think you’ve talked yourself into thinking he’s scum ever since he corrected you about who he was accusing of doing nothing.

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I didn’t like 194 because there was very little town motivation to bring it up. I can see if Sunset was coming under a bunch of pressure and you wanted to claim that you have a way to explain her play (but not say what it is); say outright that you think the player is a PR. That wasn’t the case though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

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All of these have you playing a lot like you're playing now. And I couldn't find one of you playing town like this (sheep was scum in all of these games).

Conclusion? This is your scum meta. Negative towards reads, not contributing, shitposting quite a bit, etc.

This is frankly half-assed and not anywhere near the level of effort you’ve been putting in earlier. I don’t think anyone here has the time to read those games throughly. Please provide analysis of quotes from sheep as town or scum to make your meta argument worth acknowledging.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m not interested in Avi, Inferno, or sheep today. I’m completely null on Sunlight and Sunset.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Which just leaves me with Creature, Red, and Saul.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m not interested in Avi, Inferno, or sheep today. I’m completely null on Sunlight and Sunset.

What do you mean by not interested? Do you read them as town

Not interested in lynching.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I like to hide my reasoning for town reads but I’m more than willing to explain any and all reads I have in this setting!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: SaulJoker

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: SaulJoker

L-1 on Saul.
Hmm. It's too early to hammer. 5 days is still plenty of time to do some more hunting.
DIa, what are your thoughts on Sheep and I and our 1v1? I've noticed you haven't given your opinion on any of that for a bit.

That was L-1 I believe.

I don’t see either side right now and I think that you guys are more upset about the others play style than anything.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just want the Saul slot lynched

But WHY?
And no, "just because is not a good awnser. While I agree that Saul's play was scummy to begin with, this is not Sul we're dealing wit hanymore. RC's play in the future might change your mind about that slot sometime in D2.
How about this. I'm also looking at saul's slot as scum right now, but we don't have enough to work off of to lynch the slot now that RC has moved in. How about looking at some different players and choose a potential canidate from someone who's not just replaced in?

I don’t think this is the right mindset to have right now. Was Saul a difficult read? Yes, but if you strongly feel the content that you did manage to understand is coming from scum, no replacement can change that.

And also, usually if a day is 15 pages long, it's long enough. I understand people don't like to be wrong but whatever minor information or details you're waiting on isn't worth the inertia it produces to stall the town. Getting it moving again can be so frustrating and hard. Town needs some momentum to stay engaged and active.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

With that being said, I don’t hammer town reads and I never have a problem with no lynching.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV, if you think that Inferno and Sheep are both town then who do you think that scum is?
Sunlit, what's your read on LUV specifically?

Whoever I don’t town read and isn’t null.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

‪I’ve been having some trouble reading Sunlight. None of what she’s said so far has struck an impression on me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Inferno, why is opportunism alignment indicative?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m not sure why you’re hung up on me and Creature not engaging you. If someone isn’t being engaged with, it’s either because their content isn’t deemed important to have a conversation about or they simply don’t want to engage with someone they think is scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m not sure why you’re hung up on me and Creature not engaging you. If someone isn’t being engaged with, it’s either because their content isn’t deemed important to have a conversation about or people simply don’t want to engage with someone they think is scum.

Edit by way of post.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

As I recall I've never been mislynched in a newbie before without the SEs going seriously off the rails so this game really is an outlier in terms of how little thought people are putting into it, but with scum LUV encouraging people to play like shit for strategic gain as an IC and creature doing virtually nothing in terms of setting another example, it's understandable that actual town gamesolving effort doesn't make sense and looks like scum.

I'm complaining to PP after this game. You should not be an IC.

Attacking my character because you’re getting lynched is pretty low. I’m afraid you’ve let your anger mature into bitterness, RC.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure how that leads you to voting me Avi.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure how that leads you to voting me Avi.

Because I’m sheeping RC

This is a bad reaction

Why are you sheeping him?

Why is my reaction bad? What would’ve been a good or the correct reaction?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah the unvote is a bit puzzling but then voting me right after doesn’t really make sense at all.

Have you looked at the basis for RC’s scum reads, Avi? If you have, did you look at them again? Did something click or do you just have a new understanding of them?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I look four time

Huh?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

A contradiction is made when you have any two (or more) premises that cannot be true at the same time. Wanting transparency and believing that 15+ pages normally contains enough content to end a day is by no means a contradiction.

I am most certainty not encouraging anyone to tunnel. I was simply just reminding everyone that if a player feels they have a solid foundation for why they scum read someone’s predecessors and we’re close to deadline, there is very little a replacement can do or say to change that.

You’re most certainly attacking my character, RC. You’re claiming I’m being unethical just to win a meaningless social deduction game. You’re essential trying to tarnish my name.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don’t have problem with you disagreeing with my advice RC. I have a problem with you insinuating I’m intentionally giving advice that is not in a newbie’s best interest just because you do not agree with it.

I’m not really sure why you’re trying to lynch me other than disagreeing with how I’m approaching this game as an IC. You said something about me not trying to engage you and stating that you believe that’s something I would sort of do as scum with no supporting evidence. So unless you have some sort of secret meta on me, you have no case.

Earlier I listed slots I was not willing to lynch and then some null reads. I felt why I’m willing to lynch certain slots was self-explanatory.

I could lynch Creature but a lot of what I’ve been scum reading him for has to do with experience and meta. I don’t think that kind of reasoning are something that the average newbie can follow. I also don’t think his wagon would gain any traction at this point in time.

I don’t really want to lynch Red anymore.

So that just leaves you. I feel your slot is not like Sunset’s slot at all where there is very little indicative of alignment going on there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Sunlit I could use a voice of sanity to talk to while I'm still in this game.

I'll be your voice of reason, RC!

Same goes to LUV who hasn't given any sort of explanation for why I am scum.

Because you've gone after him for IC and threatened to report him to "PP" (I'm not sure who/what this is), and I think you're misinterpreting his words to be in the worst possible light. Yes, you could read it as saying that Inferno should ignore everything that you've done since entering, but that's the worst possible interpretation. You could also interpret it as saying that actions of player Saul was scummy and that there's nothing that you as his replacement can do to change the fact that those actions were scummy. I did not go into this because I'm not in the business of defending another player and giving them arguments, and I wanted LUV to answer that, thankfully he has now and we can read into that what we will.

Fine, Saul played scummy.
But he also had literally 11 posts and site flaked. And we should not lynch a replacement based on what the person who he replaced did with that little information to go off of.
And looking at Uzi's post that you're referring too, it's really hard to read that as just RC can't make Saul's play less scummy. It reads a lot more as Saul was scummy, so no matter what RC does, you should read him as scummy. Which is bad logic and bad IC advice.
This defense especially makes so sense due to the fact that taken in context, Uzi's post as in direct response to me rethinking my position on Saul and saying that was should at least try and read RC before we lynch her with basically no information.
Which turn's Uzi's post into "If you think Saul was scum, then there's no way RC can be town, no matter what he does, so let's just lynch him."
So I don't really understand how you can come up with this other interpretation.

I'm now 99% sure that scum lies between Red/Uzi/Sando.

Sando comes off as incredibly arrogant because he's an older player, despite the fact that he hasn't played for 5 years. I also still hold by his wall on me and his attacks on RC are misrepresentation and weak, as anyone who reads the game in context can easily see.
Uzi was trying to push Saul's lynch way too hard for the fact that he actually has not given a read this game. Like he's said "here's my readlist!" But he never actually gave reasons why? And then his indirect pushes on Saul were far too hard and opportunistic for the circumstances. I mean, if Uzi thought he was scummy, why not just vote the guy?
Red is just obviously floundering scum. I really don't see a reason that he should have kept his vote on RC, and he never had a reason to keep his vote on RC, and now he's just looking for reasons to keep his vote on RC.
I'm also going to say now that AtE is very much NAI. In fact, the wiki itself says that all factions end up using it at some point. So if you're reading RC as scum because of some previous AtE, stop now. Because that's bad play.

RC is definitely falling into the hole that I was, where he's getting fed up with Red, and then with Sando coming in and basically shoving RC into the scum position. He is really reading town at this point.

Red, if you are town, you need to stop hovering over RC RIGHT NOW. Because it's obvious from the way you've played the game so far that you've got no reasons to be reading him as scum. all you're doing at this point is sheeping Uzi and Sando's wagon without any real reads of your own. And the confibias is so bad it's scummy.

I’m not sure why site flaking and only having 11 posts justifies giving RC the time of day.

If a slot did something to be run up, especially when the slot is being replaced, that's not something which should be dismissed upon a replacement. The thing that caused them to be run up still happened, and without the new player entering the game, the slot would have automatically been lynched for that thing. If it was lynch-worthy before the replace, it is still lynch-worthy after the replace.

‪I’ve been having some trouble reading Sunlight. None of what she’s said so far has struck an impression on me.

Really? Nothing?

Sadly yes

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m engaged and here.

Avi and Inferno seem to have tuned me out.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh I almost forgot..

Inferno, why is opportunism alignment indicative?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have been voting for RC’s slot for the longest time now. You even accused me of putting him to L-1 if I’m recalling correctly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: SaulJoker

VOTE: SaulJoker

L-1 on Saul.
Hmm. It's too early to hammer. 5 days is still plenty of time to do some more hunting.
DIa, what are your thoughts on Sheep and I and our 1v1? I've noticed you haven't given your opinion on any of that for a bit.

Yep. I’m remembering right.

Not really sure what you’re talking about then Inferno.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

This is why I felt we had gotten enough out of the day and was ready to end it before the 30-page mark.

Mulling things over is not bad thing necessarily but it can hurt the town if no one consolidates on a decision.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

Yes the extra time made town play better. Please stop encouraging newbies to hammer people who have 11 posts.

There is no way in hell that you sincerely feel that a player who made 11 posts over a reasonable timeframe merits being lynched.

Yes, I do.

I don’t think the extra time has helped us at all.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m out of my mind then.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I look four time

Avi are you still here? Can you explain this?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah at this point it isn’t helping anyone.

Lynch one of us and if there is a vigilante, shoot the other.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I haven’t played a newbie since my second month on this site and I didn’t really familiarize myself with that setup until the BP claiming strategy got big. I know it had recently gotten changed but not to what. Setup speculation isn’t my forte so I didn’t bother to look before I /inned as an IC.

And I meant to shoot me if you somehow flip town, and shoot you if town chooses wrong.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

This is why I felt we had gotten enough out of the day and was ready to end it before the 30-page mark.

Mulling things over is not bad thing necessarily but it can hurt the town if no one consolidates on a decision.

Well 2 SEs and a newbie-replacement are the ones not voting, ala making no moves to end the day and we can't really call it a newbie mistake. Do you think this is active miring by the players or purely passive miring by those not getting involved?

Creature is a very special case and I mean that if he’s usually not actively contributing and game solving, he’s probably scum.

I don’t think Sunset is mirroring anyone. I think she’s afraid of the game spiraling out of control and being wrong.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Inferno:

I have been voting for RC’s slot for the longest time now. You even accused me of putting him to L-1 if I’m recalling correctly.

VOTE: SaulJoker

VOTE: SaulJoker

L-1 on Saul.
Hmm. It's too early to hammer. 5 days is still plenty of time to do some more hunting.
DIa, what are your thoughts on Sheep and I and our 1v1? I've noticed you haven't given your opinion on any of that for a bit.

Yep. I’m remembering right.

Not really sure what you’re talking about then Inferno.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Going to expand on something I said earlier.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Listen guys, lynches are there to lynch people you think are scum - not to avoid a deadline and surely not always for the sake of information. If you're lynching players you have a good feeling are innocent, just to avoid a no lynch, then you are out of your mind as that accomplishes nothing. If you strongly feel the player is innocent then them flipping does nothing. You just eliminated someone that could have possibly been put in the hard to lynch category which is one of many things scum don't like.

Just because you can lynch every cycle doesn't mean you should lynch every cycle. The nature of every lynch is different. Some are built on investigations, some on analyzing a player's behavior, some on votes, some on bullshit, some on lies - are you going to lynch someone to avoid a no lynch even if you think the case against them is shit because half of the other people voted?

No lynching doesn't always hurt. New information may be gained during the night phase, people's thoughts may change, and you may even find more reasons to convince other players to lynch your scum reads or to not lynch your town reads. If you can reasonably step back, look at the situation and deduce that the player on the clock is town, then no lynching gives town 1 more player scum has to think about before winning.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don’t want to lynch Red.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can do Creature however.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I won’t be claiming anything anytime soon. No one has a valid case.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Catching up now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also I am not a huge fan of the LUV speed lynch. RC was 100% sure they would flip scum but just because RC flipped town doesn't mean we should treat their word as gospel.

RedFlavor's vote here especially is a bit sus to me as they were convinced RC was scum at end of D1 and now are seemingly piggybacking off of RC's last words.

This.

Pre-flip associations are almost always a bad idea guys. They require assumptions about knowledge that you don't actually have, which lead to very faulty reasoning and mistaken beliefs about how likely a given player actually is to be scum.

I have no room to talk though and knew this was coming.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sunlight, I don’t understand why you’re voting me and I find you voting me to be the most puzzling. I’m looking over your ISO and I think you should still have me at null.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also I am not a huge fan of the LUV speed lynch. RC was 100% sure they would flip scum but just because RC flipped town doesn't mean we should treat their word as gospel.

RedFlavor's vote here especially is a bit sus to me as they were convinced RC was scum at end of D1 and now are seemingly piggybacking off of RC's last words.

This.

Pre-flip associations are almost always a bad idea guys. They require assumptions about knowledge that you don't actually have, which lead to very faulty reasoning and mistaken beliefs about how likely a given player actually is to be scum.

I have no room to talk though and knew this was coming.

Don’t agree with nav calling out Red. Red tunneling me is exactly what I would expect from a newbie after RC’s flip.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Avi has become null to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I’m going to be a bit blunt. I think my lynch here practically hands scum the game. Especially if you and Creature are town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Right.

I mainly stated that because I don’t think Red tunneling me is indicative of his alignment.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don’t understand the last 4 posts.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

A pre-flip association is basically using evidence based on presumptions. A number of you are presuming that because RC flipped town, I must be scum.

I don’t think there are sufficient reasons to scum read me with or without my interactions with RC. I scum read his predecessor’s play. I was wrong about his predecessor’s play coming from scum. Both of these facts don’t make me scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What are you going to do Inferno when I flip town?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I ask because the way I see it, I think you’re going to either attempt to policy lynch Red or death tunnel Sunlight.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The worst thing for me as scum would’ve been a no-lynch. I’m the minority. I need to be able to push and drive mislynches to achieve my win-con.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Creature

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Good game! Sorry for my poor IC play. Probably shouldn't have wanted Day 1 to end when I wanted it to.

Which just leaves me with Creature, Red, and Saul.

I probably should've voted Creature right here but I didn't really want to have newbies use meta as a reason to scum read someone and I don't find lurking and not playing the game alignment indicative.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I didn’t death tunnel you RC. I didn’t death tunnel period. My read was solely based on Saul’s play. I was okay with the day ending around 20 something pages because I felt it went on to long and I knew if Creature continued to do nothing Day 2, I wouldn’t have to find another non-meta reason to push for his lynch.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

He was one of the three people I was willing to vote for Day 1. I didn’t vote him because lurking and not playing is not AI.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I know I could’ve played better but I think town pull it out if we had lynched your slot at that time.