Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Eddie Cane]

skrrrrt

(sure, for my last game might as well. @mod sub this in)

[Eddie Cane]

<3

[Eddie Cane]

Now that I'm in the game, I should explain what my case was trying to do better. I was pointing out that every single reason I've seen for townreading mulch is wrong. Yes @Mulch, I explicitly only quoted your scum meta and only games I was involved in (didn't even open any of your other scum games), because I knew I had examples of you doing virtually everything "townie" you've done ITG as scum. Your AtE explosions, "I always get lynched d1", reflexively targeting the person pushing you, etc. You do those things as town too, that's why you do them as scum, I know, I know. But you are being very disingenuous with your arguments discrediting my slot. I am not sad with myself and needing a justice wagon. I've never said I wouldn't try to read you - I've professed the opposite to you, multiple times,to the point you used me arguing against your lynch mid d1 in BTM as a defense iirc. I am pushing you because... I think you're scum. That's also why I want

unabombah to ask Boon

what his read is - Boon has most of the same experience with you I do. If I'm wrong, Boon should have you as town (assuming Una isn't scum). As it stands though, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum.


this post was a lot longer but not worth a giant shouting match rn. i'll listen to lynch options outside of mulch if the support isn't there and i won't turn it into a 20 page 1v1 with me and mulch, but i want it known where i stand on him.

[Eddie Cane]

wof

[Eddie Cane]

well Bulba turned into Vulva like 20 times with my mobile ac so could be worse

i don't really wanna lynch kashmir, whats the case againsth im? i remember from skimming he was defending transcend and pushing mulch, and doing nothing else i disagreed with.

[Eddie Cane]

this isnt happening mulch. i'm not 1v1ing you. you can choose to read my posts, or you can choose not to.

[Eddie Cane]

Day 1, Votecount 35

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Strange kills for a so-called vig
You are a serial killer
Could lynch you, but let's think big
You are a serial killer
You could keep your life
If you follow the plan
You will shoot tonight
As the townies demand
Give us no cause to doubt
You are a useful man

-[

Beautiful Killer,

Madonna

]

3 skirt skirt (Chara, Ginngie, Kmd4390)
2 Cabd (Spiffeh, Toranaga)
2 Mulch (Kagami, implosion)
1 Ginngie (Patrick)
1 Kagami (Firebringer)
1 Kmd4390 (UnaBombaH)

5 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Mulch, skirt skirt)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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Lets see.
Cabd is claiming friendly neighbour? Why is that still a wagon
Ginngie town
Kagami is town
KMD is townish (and they'll unvote and townbloc with me eventually if they're town anyways)

So, whoever's townreading mulch, please suggest an alternative. I would also like Tor to articulate better why he townreads Mulch so strongly, because I just don't get it. I don't intend on joining any of those vanity wagons. I am not currently voting Mulch either, though its effectively there.

[Eddie Cane]

Also, I remember seeing a lot of kerfluffle fosing, would like to see why its scum!kashmir as opposed to town!cavier

[Eddie Cane]

[Eddie Cane]

Ok, I've read up and three things:
1) Kagami, why did you flip your read on me? It seemed sudden and unexplained.
2) why is anyone townreading the whole Eddie/transcend thing? I think this came from ginngie and mulch so please explain that
3) Eddie why would I town Bloc with the person Im voting?

Because if you're town you'll place a less shit vote soon enough

Chesskid read the first 22 pages of the game and ended with Mulch, Fire, Cheet with kmd/Implosion if one of those is town.

Ginn, you're not allowed to be an idiot.

I'm pretty firm on town cheet and transcend thinks fire is lock town, :shrug:

[Eddie Cane]

Mathdino says the following on transcend by the way:
-the way transcend says fuck meta is town as fuck
-hes right about unabomb.
-team input seems genuine especially 897. Likes progression from 251 to 255
-he says not knowing my alt implies no coaching from scumbuddies
-he likes transcends reads and even says the read on me is how he'd see me if he didn't know I'm town
-the only scum motivation he sees is if transcend sees mulch as his biggest threat which he says makes no sense because mulch just buddies him when he townreads him

And finally he says it's my game so whatever but he's townreading transcend pretty strongly.

He followed up with another post implying transcend would choose town by linking cheets please don't roll against me thread in MD where cheet said he doesn't want to be scum against town transcend. Transcend never posted in that thread.

Preview edit: he's not gaining anything if he's dead scum who told us a living player is confirmed town. If successful, he's shrinking the Lynch pool and giving his partners a higher chance of being lynched. How is this not just common sense at this point?

why are you voting this slot again?

[Eddie Cane]

I don't think there's a rush there's no chance ari picked scum he hates it

[Eddie Cane]

Also, I remember seeing a lot of kerfluffle fosing, would like to see why its scum!kashmir as opposed to town!cavier

[Eddie Cane]

yes please

[Eddie Cane]

Chara has fallen into prod range. It's let me know in advance that it should be back later tonight, so no prod will be sent.

should have bolded that, thank you for seeing it all the same, Ether.
on that note, i'll read now. i saw Transcend get replaced.
hello, Eddie!

hi

[Eddie Cane]

chara why are you voting me I want a one post to reply to please

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie: tell me your confidence level on Mulch scum?

moderate to high

[Eddie Cane]

It’s telling that boon is townreading me btw

And toranaga

They actually know how I play

you literally just said you played the same

[Eddie Cane]

It’s telling that boon is townreading me btw

And toranaga

They actually know how I play

you literally just said you played the same

there are subtle tone and agenda differences that only experienced players with me can notice

Like boon and ufo

Notice how Much boon has saved me day 1

It’s why I like playing with him

did you not notice me asking for an updated boon read?

[Eddie Cane]

I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.

I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them..

you've hit a pet peeve that is, unfortunately in my experience, not necessarily scum indicative.

there is

no

visible difference between TvT and SvT, unless you're scumreading one side and townreading the other. this post says you're fine as long as one of them goes down.

that's not true

[Eddie Cane]

yes, it is. if you can say "this is TvS", you can say who is more likely faking it and who is not. if you can only say "

someone

is not being genuine here, but i can't tell who" then it's an unhelpful read.

but i feel like we've argued about this before... in Beneath the Mask, i think. maybe?

anyways, Eddie. tell me about where you are? why weren't you interested in 1v1ing Mulch?

because i don't have the will to deal with him regardless of his alignment\\tvt in the way una just used it as stupid, svs is a fancy way of saying they both look scummy and have no good reason not to be partners, tvt is a fancy way of saying fuck off dumbasses, tvx is a valid statement.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, you asked why I was voting you. I couldn't have my first choice in unabomb so I went to my second which is you based on transcend meta and his handling of mulch.

show me why this is scum transcend on meta, because i know transcend meta and it's not, nor is it his town meta.

[Eddie Cane]

because i don't have the will to deal with him regardless of his alignment\\tvt in the way una just used it as stupid, svs is a fancy way of saying they both look scummy and have no good reason not to be partners, tvt is a fancy way of saying fuck off dumbasses, tvx is a valid statement.

SvS is a fancy way of saying "this is scum theatre and looks like it", not "they're both scummy". but it seems we have different definitions.

i asked because in Beneath the Mask you avoided a 1v1 because you thought the player could be town despite the scumread.
not sure how i feel about wanting to avoid Mulch. you're in a game with him, you made a very involved scumcase on him, you're involved. do you want him lynched or don't you?

you're in a game with him

not by choice

do you want him lynched or don't you?

yes
i am not willing to put in the effort to do it,

regardless of his alignment

he's going to have a temper tantrum, bitch about always getting mislynched d1, spam some annoying shit, and microquote random shit i do and try to make it look bad. i do not have the desire to spend hours 1v1ing him. sorry. i'm waiting for boon's updated read and if its town i could be wrong. if its scum, then fun time /s.



what 1v1 did i avoid?

[Eddie Cane]

and that wasn't a very involved scum case, it was me giving doggo a bone because doggo doesn't case and it was annoying me that ya'll were giving him such a hard time when mulch was being scummy as fuck. i wasn't even in the game, i've skimmed most of this thread, idk how that's involved :/

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, do you have a read on Spiff atm?

nope, should I? useless lurker who apparently was a paragon at some point but i wouldn't know that based on their play here. i would've scumread it but it seems all the people with spiffeh experience aren't scumreadin the lurking so shrug

and that wasn't a very involved scum case, it was me giving doggo a bone because doggo doesn't case and it was annoying me that ya'll were giving him such a hard time when mulch was being scummy as fuck. i wasn't even in the game, i've skimmed most of this thread, idk how that's involved :/

it looked very involved.
and i do remember Transcend casing Mulch this game.

where?

what 1v1 did i avoid?

i don't remember, when i looked this up it was with a 1v1 keyword, and i'm unfortunately on my phone now. i would guess Rational Numbers but i can go find it properly later. you did specifically say you were avoiding a 1v1 with the slot (don't know which as i only ISOed you) because you thought they could be town.

yep, that's right. i was tunnelling them kind of because mastina had a previously 100% success rate as math himself told me, and they were scummy enough to me. i didnt turn it into a 1v1 and actively only replied to posts by them rather than make my own because i had ruined the game enough at that point.

[Eddie Cane]

Not pissed at you.

is it me?

cause if not you're one of the people I actually want to engage with due to our success last time we were town

[Eddie Cane]

crazy... but i became hardtown when i wasn't voting you

hmmm i wonder if that's a genuine thought process from a player with a green role pm at all..

hmmmm

so you're saying i'm confirmed mafia for voting you but you're not even voting me

like come the fuck on my lynch already has traction

why not hop back on (:

oh right it's because i'm not getting mislynhed

alright, the test is complete.

tor's blatant town.

and me and mulch both townread him, but LO AND BEHOLD, he doesn't do lickety split when i vote toranaga and not him

he is calm cool and collected when i'm not voting him

when i vote him, he nearly implodes

VOTE: mulch

im scummy when i vote mulch but not when i vote someone both of us townread !!!!!!!!!

did you not just see how completely different mulch's tone and approach was when i voted him vs. when i voted our mutual townread?

come on una work with me here!

i did a test to give you a chance to prove you're town

all you had to do was push on me when i voted someone that wasn't you

you didn't push on me once when i did

i know lolcases and all that but seriously open your eyes

Mulch says this!

i did a test to give you a chance to prove you're town

all you had to do was push on me when i voted someone that wasn't you

you didn't push on me once when i did

I didn’t push on you when you voted me. I’m not pushing you today

Spoiler: but what actually happened was this!

you know what this is a scum draw for you mulch. sorry.

VOTE: mulch

why am i town :O

do you actually townread me or did you back the F*CK off of me because there was a zero zilch nada percent chance you were getting me mislynched

I’m townreading you with hesitation because your trybarding a Lot regardless of alignment

But I came in and am doing that too so I can’t blame you

Also if I was scum I’m pretty sure I could mislynch you

nice job answering the question (:

NOT.

Actually I don’t townread anymore

Your being manipulative and I don’t understand why your team is scumreading me

And you feel like your trying to gain towncred

you will not be giving a waffly stance on me this game without getting lynhed for it

you either tr me or sr me. no in between.

this is super dumb also

because my reads suggest it.


maybe try solving the game dude instead of getting so defensive over every single dart thrown your way.

I’m getting panicky because I think your scum and there isn’t any way to show it

una do u actually think mulch is town tho (:

pedit: if yuo think i'm scum then vote me

come the fuck at me

fight me

No, you wild lynch me

I don’t know how to explain why I think your scum

you don't have to explain anything, just vote me

pedit: well i scum read mulch, so if he self destructs on d1 and he is scum that's fine by me!

You said you didn’t know how to read me so why are you trying and failing

Trans I’m sorry for scumreading u plz forgive me

una do u actually think mulch is town tho (:

pedit: if yuo think i'm scum then vote me

come the fuck at me

fight me

No, you wild lynch me

I don’t know how to explain why I think your scum

what a wild transition in the span of 23 whole minutes :O

YEs because you became fucking scummy

crazy... but i became hardtown when i wasn't voting you

hmmm i wonder if that's a genuine thought process from a player with a green role pm at all..

hmmmm

I thought it was scummy that you voted me. Then you re evaluated townily. Then you voted me again and it was scummy

Then he says this!

well you sure did push me a whole lot in the moment that i voted tora

ps: you didn't

Yes I did

Your stretching and manipulating

Spoiler: but what actually happened was this!

VOTE: toranaga

VOTE: toranaga

Why are you voting my mason

he's scum (:

He’s probably not

Why are you scumreading him

why aren't you (:

He probably wanted town and he’s been towny

i just re-iso'd him he has bad posts

would have spoilered this but there's a spoiler.

not saying town Transcend is incapable of casing, but he did do it here. also this was maybe pointless, but i did want to answer.
the reaction test in particular was silly. you know that Mulch hates being scumread yourself, but Transcend presents the difference in reaction with the Toranaga vote and the Mulch vote as though it means something. and i distinctly do not get the impression Transcend doesn't know Mulch.

I weigh the reaction test as much as the mason shit - stupid and useless. sorry woofers. If you are going to call the reaction test scummy as opposed to silly though you should do that because I will definitely call you out on that just like I said the mason shit was stupid and not why mulch would be scum if he is.

mm I guess that counts as a small case? I cased mulch because I didn't consider that a case and wanted it done, but I didn't case scum mulch, as he pointed out I only quoted his scum games (the 3 I was actively reading) because I was showing the reasons I remember seeing for town mulch were dumb as shit. I asked toranaga to explain town mulch, did not get a satisfactory response. haven't really got a response from anyone, his time I haven't seen why I should think kagamis scum when he seems like one of the only people who isn't bass ackwords.

[Eddie Cane]

Since it wasn't clear, #1502 was in response to this:

nope, should I? useless lurker who apparently was a paragon at some point but i wouldn't know that based on their play here.

So everyone pls relax

it was a fair response to this ^^

spiffeh, is my description "useless lurker" wrong in your opinion? also, do you think I should have a read on you? And the reason I'm bothering to post,

hey cabd. please hard claim. ty. isn't the only reason your wagon dissolved because you softed fn?

also I guess I should actually ask why we are calling him fn, I was just going with it because I subbed and wasn't reading in depth but I didn't actually see the soft

[Eddie Cane]

that's fair enough, I just checked posting activity and saw you posted more than almost half the game. wtf.

[Eddie Cane]

I used to think "Ginngie is a nice person".

I'll fuck off again.

according to giga rc is like the nicest person outside of games and yet from his persona you'd think he was a cock gobbling marmalade drinking cylcops. people in games are often really different than outside. :p

hey una

your above post said nothing with 3 paragraphs - do you tr or sr my slot it was unclear

[Eddie Cane]

ty kmd I will read that later im at work rn

giga called spiffeh town for the gingie push, I already had gingie as hard town, and spiffeh coming to the conclusion gingie was town without me prodding bodes really well for me.

una, lmfao love you

[Eddie Cane]

hey mulch

i'm going to wait for boon's reply before i decide if i want to keep pushing you

are you okay with that?

[Eddie Cane]

I know I really should go reread this game in depth rather than the skim I did but ugh

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, you asked me about Transcend meta.

Open 694
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Transcend was town. Pretty much just spammed before replacing out. Switched votes quite a bit on Day 1 but didn't give much reasoning but he gives one liners that kind of give you an idea where he is coming from.

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Transcend was town. His Day 1 is mostly spam. Switched votes quite a bit Day 1 but didn't give much reasoning but he gives one liners that kind of give you an idea where he is coming from.

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Transcend was scum here. Now the spam is still here. But you'll notice he's locked in on two players: Gamma and Crush, both lynchbait type players. Also the one liner reasoning isn't present. It's more "X is scum, Y is town, oh wow Z is scummy, A is locktown".

Now ISO him here. Suddenly he's against spam and the post where he votes Mulch, a lynchbait type player, he simply states Mulch "is scum". Says he "would lynch" Chara. 164 and 166 where he is supposed to be giving reasoning, he just says "being scummy" and "very scummy". I asked Transcend earlier why he isn't obvtown to me yet. I think it's those one-liner reasons for reads that I always seem to understand where he's coming from on and even agree quite a bit, but something usually screams town about him early on and it just isn't there this game. He also locked on to Mulch for the majority of his time here in a way that just isn't present in his town games.

And no, these aren't my only games with Transcend. They are just the three most recent.

Reading what I've missed now.

Links fixed. -Ether

Fun fact: I'm MCM if you didn't know that. I was really pissed at that newbie who fucked up the very good reads bar L person that game. I caught transcend there too

Those aren't the 3 most recent - what about the multiball large I subbed into? Because, Transcend there played to his scum meta a lot more than the town one IMO, and that's where I really noticed a difference. Notice how he went on a couple month hiatus? Before that, games like viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72576 happen where I deathtunnel Transcend (... and the other scum #subtlebrag) the entire game from like page 10 because to me he was easy to read. But, his play here isn't reallllly his scum meta, I would agree its closer to it than his town meta. You need to keep in mind though that along with the hiatus this is team mafia, people are going to try harder.

[Eddie Cane]

Mulch what case? The one that transcend quoted that caused the swap?

Yeah it read as really towny to me. Bad but towny.

What about it felt town specifically?

Basically, eddie has a history with me. Basically an ego battle on who can read each other more. I'm pretty sure he's come into the game thinking he was going to catch mulch scum from the get go, and was being conf-biased. It's hard to see that when someone is aggresively pushing your mislych but whatever. The case was desparate, a village desparation more than a manipulative desparation, it had genuine frustration and I finally could see why he was scumreading me, I can see where he is coming from. Plus it just felt towny. My best reads are ones that are kinda hard for me to explain but basically it felt more like viillage eddie than wolf eddie. Especially because how bad he would have looked when I flipped.

Is that a good explanation?

It also wasn't a case arguing why you were scum but why you weren't town.

But, anyways, I did come into this game very biased towards scumreading you. In the 66%~ likelyhood your team got at least 1 scum pm, I see very little reason you wouldn't take it. You know you are going to get scumread regardless because of that because you know boon tora me etc have enough experience with you to know your winrates and personal opinions on scum and town. You know you get lynched significantly less as scum... but also that people would be thinking you're scum here anyways. Town mulch would have to defend against the EXACT same stuff scum mulch would, so I don't see the motivation you would possibly have for not taking the scum pm to play the alignment you perform better at.

I'm well aware this is not a popular path to go down for reads due to WIFOM but its particularly relevant in cases like Creature and Mulch where one alignment is so vastly significant to the other. Its also what earns Aristo a ton of town points - he hates scum as much as ThinkBig IIRC. This also obviously isn't a lock and key situation because hell 33% of the time they didn't get a scum pm in the first place, but its a bias I'm aware of and don't think should be shut off.

[Eddie Cane]

i don't feel that Eddie's meta argument for why Mulch-town is really Mulch-null is all that genuine. not that it looks fake, but i haven't been able to parse it for alignment one way or the other.

Eddie: would appreciate you reading the full game if you're able. if not, doing some ISOing and some work would help me see town. i don't believe that's the case but if you're town i think you can show me eventually.

it isn't really "skimming" that i did, not the right word. i followed along with the game and other than the mulch-fire shit at the beginnign i read most of the posts and made random comments at transcend on discord. i just didn't follow too closely, only really in depth followed mine and alisae's (followed by this and invetion the shithole games - haven't touched mathblade's i can't stand opens). also, i don't need to show you eventually explciitly, you've seen me you know i obv town. i've been mislynched once unless i'm forgetting something in like the past 20 town games on this site, and i had both scum caught (hi rc and gerry xd) it was just a bad town (hi luv xd) (was also not my town game technically it was a hydra but shrug i did most of the posting cough cough mastina). you will not be lynching me itg.

[Eddie Cane]

Mulch what case? The one that transcend quoted that caused the swap?

Yeah it read as really towny to me. Bad but towny.

What about it felt town specifically?

Basically, eddie has a history with me. Basically an ego battle on who can read each other more. I'm pretty sure he's come into the game thinking he was going to catch mulch scum from the get go, and was being conf-biased. It's hard to see that when someone is aggresively pushing your mislych but whatever. The case was desparate, a village desparation more than a manipulative desparation, it had genuine frustration and I finally could see why he was scumreading me, I can see where he is coming from. Plus it just felt towny. My best reads are ones that are kinda hard for me to explain but basically it felt more like viillage eddie than wolf eddie. Especially because how bad he would have looked when I flipped.

Is that a good explanation?

It also wasn't a case arguing why you were scum but why you weren't town.

But, anyways, I did come into this game very biased towards scumreading you. In the 66%~ likelyhood your team got at least 1 scum pm, I see very little reason you wouldn't take it. You know you are going to get scumread regardless because of that because you know boon tora me etc have enough experience with you to know your winrates and personal opinions on scum and town. You know you get lynched significantly less as scum... but also that people would be thinking you're scum here anyways. Town mulch would have to defend against the EXACT same stuff scum mulch would, so I don't see the motivation you would possibly have for not taking the scum pm to play the alignment you perform better at.

I'm well aware this is not a popular path to go down for reads due to WIFOM but its particularly relevant in cases like Creature and Mulch where one alignment is so vastly significant to the other. Its also what earns Aristo a ton of town points - he hates scum as much as ThinkBig IIRC. This also obviously isn't a lock and key situation because hell 33% of the time they didn't get a scum pm in the first place, but its a bias I'm aware of and don't think should be shut off.

You realize that I knew this and my team knew this too? We didn't get any scum role pms, and I'm telling you there is no way in hell I would ever play an open game or Alisae's game anyway. I just woulden't. I am always taking a normal game over any other game. I'm pretty sure I would take the scum role PM if we got one in the normal games but we didn't, we just didn't. I don't know how to convince you. Everyone that knows me well is calling me town brother. Not much more I can say. I'm just not scum

If you read me by my play maybe null maybe town? read me by other who know me I should be town by now.

There was no way I was playing any game besides a normal either. I believe that part at least.

On play alone, I would say you are a scum lean, but a full read. If boon gets to this point in the game and still townreads you, I'm going to reevaluate fully without the bias of picking pms and see where that gets me.

[Eddie Cane]

I have no word better than gut, sorry. My case was because I have nothing over gut, and I think I've said this like 4 times but I wanted to show people that their reasons for townreading you were bad because you do those things actively as scum too - they should have you at null if anything. Again, it hinges on boon, we use the exact same tells (read the apartment scum pt if you really want to see us talking about it a lot of the convo took place there) though he has more experience with you. If he townreads you, I'll accept I'm at least decently probably wrong and reread fully.

Do we need to keep rehashing this convo or can I move onto reads

and nah on the turbo, sorry, gotta sleep its early but i was up til 6 last night and had to wake up at 10 for an exam so i'm tired as ffuck

[Eddie Cane]

(hi luv xd)

If you want to see a fun game check Twoninamillion's normal. I was about to be mislynched day 1, boon saved me, I ended up catching 2/3 scum in which one was LUV

pretty sure i actually skimmed that game a little bit i usually skim normals and themes

[Eddie Cane]

but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/

Eddie can you just ask transcend this please

he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre town

paraphrasing direct questions is annoying

[Eddie Cane]

Mulch, I dunno. It's entirely possible that transcend said hey Eddie can you write up a really good case on mulch for me and that's what he came up with. If you said it came across as genuine that's one thing. But you're going with this whole ego battle thing that basically implies he didn't even believe in the case which doesn't really sound all that town to me.

Eddie, man you were obvtown as mutton lol. But wasn't Boon's other game that I linked the large you're talking about?

Transcend didn't ask me to write anything. I tagged him, said here's a favour because they're giving you shit for not writing cases and stuff when that's not you, especially since I agreed with his push. It still wasn't a "really good case", I don't think any single person has referred to the case positively actually.

Was it? I didn't click the links, I went by the descriptions. It would be dumb for me to try and argue why your meta on transcend is wrong and he was town when I'm biased by seeing our green pm. I just wanted to reply to the points you made and see if you had actual transcend meta (though I've been in 2 larges with both of you). Is it the link you're talking about? The descriptions didn't match my perception.

[Eddie Cane]

but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/

Eddie can you just ask transcend this please

he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre town

paraphrasing direct questions is annoying

Also just personally it really feels like shit to have your emotions called fake btw

Do you think I should reasonably be confident that those are genuine emotions? Faking emotions is something I've done many times as scum (and town actually), you've done many times as scum, many others. Since you pride yourself on being able to replicate your town meta as scum almost flawlessly, how am I supposed to know your emotions aren't fake? In beneath the mask you faked a blowup and emotions.

[Eddie Cane]

OKAY readz time ><

[Eddie Cane]

gonna do reads a bit later discussing a replacement for trans

but anyways

hey fire can trans read u? y/n

[Eddie Cane]

gonna do reads a bit later discussing a replacement for trans

but anyways

hey fire can trans read u? y/n

I think he has a good track record but I have no idea what his method of reading me is.

he says youre town

which is why i have you as town

i wish we could still communicate but now that thats not viable late game r i p

[Eddie Cane]

gonna do reads a bit later discussing a replacement for trans

but anyways

hey fire can trans read u? y/n

I think he has a good track record but I have no idea what his method of reading me is.

he says youre town

which is why i have you as town

i wish we could still communicate but now that thats not viable late game r i p

Why can’t u read me urself

you're unreadable for most unless they know you

[Eddie Cane]

mon compadre ce amigo

[Eddie Cane]

i disagree implosion is obviously town

[Eddie Cane]

I do *not* scumread implosion, but I don't town read them much either.

[Eddie Cane]

I would say it's not probable actually

It's possible I guess but I don't think Firebringer would care enough about winning to do that and I feel like he's probably just uncomfortable with providing that level of content as scum in general

aGree

[Eddie Cane]

btw I have work in a bit and then going to a party so I'll probs not post much today. hoping by tomorrow cabd has posted, boon has caught up, ari has caught up, tora has caught up.

cheet, we are going to go through the playerlist tomorrow if you have time.

I'm trusting transcend on town fire, especially since my read is a town lean and it fits. for d1, I'm not touching thst slot unless I get a really good argument and all I've seen about fire is "shitposting" and "useless".

Gingie, Thor is now in night. Any chance he would read this game? I think he could sort mulch and una at least somewhat, but more importantly I townread your slot and value his reads.

Spiffy, explain your thought process of not wanting mulch if cabd is town or whatever you said. Doesn't connect with me. Also, your pushes were fine, it's alright they didn't pan out. it's better you do bad pushes and cancel them than just do nothing.

this game I have a fuck ton of townreads, haven't formally gone through the game and sorted yet I should have time to do that tomorrow. that said, I am guessing I'll be able to give an actual lynchpool too because I'm being a useless shitsack and not voting rn.

[Eddie Cane]

Day 1, Votecount 49

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You play sixteen weeks, what do you get
Another bombardment of pain and regret
Don't spam me for the sequel, 'cause I won't go
I owe my loss to this terrible role

-[

Sixteen Tons,

Johnny Cash

]

2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Mulch)
1 Cabd (Toranaga)
1 Chara (implosion)
1 Eddie Cane (Kmd4390)
1 Kagami (Firebringer)
1 Mulch (Kagami)

7 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Chara, Cheetory6, Eddie Cane, Ginngie, Spiffeh, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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based on this I conclude it isn't just me having issues with sucmreads. 7 people not voting and the only wagon greater than 1 probably claiming fn. the fuck.

[Eddie Cane]

oh, spiffeh is the legendary 2 person wagon. oops. I guess I'm fine with that, I would say I currently town lean that slot. fuck. too. many. townreads.

[Eddie Cane]

I do indeed have time for tomorrow.

Thor is now in night

pls be careful.
Err on side of caution with referencing other games yo.

P-edit: I mean, nobody's really pushing a case on anyone with any degree of confidence at this point.

its page 71, a week into the game. is that not an issue to you?

[Eddie Cane]

Not saying it isn't an issue, I just don't have any really good scumreads that I feel like I could convincingly lead a push on right now.

Cabd is probably my best guess for scum at this point.
:/

If someone I was townreading was dropping a case that I could get behind and acting confident about it, I would probably be sheeping it right now.

what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway comment

[Eddie Cane]

wanting to vig trans is pretty standard among older players (cwl)

also is it bad before you said anything I couldn't tell if it was wrt mulch or trans

[Eddie Cane]

what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway comment

Wasn't really necessarily a case but:

Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.

Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?

Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.
(:

I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.

I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.

You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')

My perception to his entrance is as above and he never really got to a better place in terms of general engagement with the game.

If I were to try to tldr:
it's mostly that all of his scumhunting (of which there was very little) seemed particularly flat, his choice of things to focus on seemed weird to me and the softclaim was kind of terrible for at least a few reasons most of which I don't really want to dig into right now.

Fair enough. I was under the impression that Cabd is a very solid player and is capable of a lot more than... the garbage that his iso this game as scum as well? That implies he's legitimately busy with other things regardless of his alignment, though I do think there's nothing that makes me townread him in his iso and we are all having scum finding issues so I guess that's implicative. I would argue that his play has been trash even if he is FN though. I still need a hard claim from him, if he is committing to FN we will know soon enough (good luck claiming roleblocked buddy) and if not I am fine having him in the scum lean pile.

[Eddie Cane]

I have a bit of time, so here's /roughly/ where I'm at. This is without consulting with my team (we are still busy looking for a sub) and written in about 15 minutes. That means no isos and its done 95% from memory, so tomorrow when we do this in depth it may change a decent amount.

{Cheet, Ginngie, Cabd} - lol I had issues coming up with who to put with cheet as a strong town read, that's sad. Cheet is just gamesolvey kind of obv town, fits their meta to pick town, is playing similar to our last game, iirc my mateys had them as town, really nothing to make us scumread them at all. Ginngie is hard town for me on tone and play, good thoughts, match up a lot with me in a lot of instances. Less tangible read but almost as strong. Also, apparently they wouldn't pick scum and this is their town meta, which is nice. And, of course, lolfriendlyneighbour.

at this point I am now realizing how weak most of my town reads are and how everyone is just barely a town lean. interesting.

{Spiffy, Toranaga, ...

Okay, making a reads list isn't actually working. Cheet, Ginngie, Cabd are town. Mulch schum or if you're generous null. Una is probably around there too, their paranoia is bad because they have a team now.

Chara, Toranaga, KMD, Kagami, Patrick, Implosijon, Ari, Fire, Spiffeh... you are all varying degrees of slight town leans. Fuck me. I guess I'll take Spiffeh and Tora out because the former is starting to be productive and the latter Transcend said is never scum here. That leaves Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una as a scum pool. Fuck me up. I mean, the game could be solved if Cabd faked his FN claim, Boon let Una pick scum and didn't coach him better, and Mulch decided to fake some weird shit with cabd while pocketing tor..... lol. Otherwise, I hate this game. Guess this post is gonna take me a bit longer than 15 minutes because I'm well aware how scummy it is to be this indecisive and have this many town leans.... so l ets break 'em down. Again,

this is from memory. I did not leave this post preview while typing this. sorry if anything is wrong.

Chara: wouldn't have likely picked scum. Fine. I actually town read the post about obv towning too. Also fine. Gerry, Maria, and Dunn are all people who could have potentially picked scum, they all prefer it IIRC and are all at least capable of it (wrt their capability as town). They haven't done... much of anything though, the single thing I can remember them doing is pushing a mislynch (my slot). Maybe an ISO will improve this, but this is a very soft lean.

KMD: Very capable as scum. Had me pocketed in that large, caught him in the second one. Also capable as town though, and as scum I recall him only really doing occasional wallposting whereas here he's interacting a bit more which I guess is a point in his favour? Probably closer to the null or scum pile if I'm honest, but I don't remember them doing anything pingy either.

Kagami: Came in to the game, defended Trans, pushed Mulch. Exactly what I thought any logical person should be doing at the time so I lock towned him off the bat. People are arguing he's scum if Mulch is town, which I think is a slightly fairer argument, but he hasn't pinged me at all. Still gonna town lean this.

Patrick: Can be a town lean. All of their posts are logical, none are scummy, just not enough of them and nothing I see unfakeable as scum either. I was going to have this as a town read until I saw just how little they've posted and based on their team even though I've never heard of him I would guess he's a very strong player which makes me question why he's so sparce in the thread - #geriatricclub I guess.

Implosion: Town lean. Disagree with the obv town comment. Nothing more to say.

Ari: I really, really don't think there's ever a world they pick scum. Like thinkbig, they despise the alignment and are awful at it. Also, I think every one of their teammates is fine with scum, so no reason to pick it (lol5scumpms). Their play this game has me questioning that though at least a little bit - low content, excusey, too nice are all traits of scum!ari. Their alignment will become obvious, so for now I'm not interested in lynching this. Let's see the catchup.

Fire: Useless, definitely not a lurker Kappa. Transcend townread them hard and I have no reason to disagree, but there is a good player beneath that lack of shit giving and this is 100000% within their scum range so i got my eye on u firedoggo. This or Mulch is where I am copping tonight if I am a cop.


And, of course, Mulch/una. I would probably scumread the above post because I barely took any stances, but like, this game is hard lol........... I'll do real iso reads and hopefully one of my teammates will actually give enough of a shit to read this game tomorrow. Cheet and I get to have fun reads list party time!

[Eddie Cane]

The thing about the "Chara wouldn't have picked scum" argument in general is that it's kind of wrong?

Sure, Chara is self-admittedly bad at scum. But it also self-admittedly enjoys scum. And so if their team cared more about having fun than strictly having the highest probability of winning team mafia then etc.

As for the "i can obvtown in the right circumstances" i see no reason for us to not put that claim to the test?

my team played by that metric, i have no issues at all with you pushing chara if you want to.

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler:

what was the cabd case? bad reason for townreading mulch is all I remember but that was kinda a throwaway comment

Wasn't really necessarily a case but:

Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.

Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?

Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.
(:

I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.

I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.

You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')

My perception to his entrance is as above and he never really got to a better place in terms of general engagement with the game.

If I were to try to tldr:
it's mostly that all of his scumhunting (of which there was very little) seemed particularly flat, his choice of things to focus on seemed weird to me and the softclaim was kind of terrible for at least a few reasons most of which I don't really want to dig into right now.

Fair enough. I was under the impression that Cabd is a very solid player and is capable of a lot more than... the garbage that his iso this game as scum as well? That implies he's legitimately busy with other things regardless of his alignment, though I do think there's nothing that makes me townread him in his iso and we are all having scum finding issues so I guess that's implicative. I would argue that his play has been trash even if he is FN though. I still need a hard claim from him, if he is committing to FN we will know soon enough (good luck claiming roleblocked buddy) and if not I am fine having him in the scum lean pile.

Needless to say if cabd actually is roleblocked and flips town tomorrow this is incredibly scummy

needless to say if cabd actually is roleblocked and flips town tomorrow and i am lynched d3 and flip town this is incredibly scummy

[Eddie Cane]

its harder to fake in turbo, for newer people at least. you dont have time to think about your posts much.

[Eddie Cane]

Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una

why should i not lynch u :O

[Eddie Cane]

since it seems kagami is the wagon, could every person voting eli5 why they're voting it?

[Eddie Cane]

fuck cheet


okay work time bye friendos ill probably check in with my phone after work and then going to a party so gone for the night

[Eddie Cane]

scheet if uf read

[Eddie Cane]

I guess I'll take Spiffeh and Tora out because the former is starting to be productive and the latter Transcend said is never scum here.

What was Transcend's reasoning for saying Tora would never be scum here.

If it's because of his team make-up, can you tell me who on that team would be more likely to pick a scum role PM?

I can't ask him. he just said obv town.

[Eddie Cane]

awake, cheet wya with reads rn

[Eddie Cane]

KMD
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Firebringer, Aristophanes (s), Eddie, implo (s), Chara
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Kagami, Ginngie (s), Tora (s)
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Una (s), Patrick, Mulch (s) *null line
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Spiff
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Cabd

Where (s) is a stale read that I need to spend more time on.
Una and Tora are for sures for efforting at tonight.
Implosion scum metadive is probably my next stop but probably not a tonight thing.

Good list (tm)

Why are you so solid on Fire/Chara/KMD? Let's start there, especially with how paranoid of Chara you were last game.

[Eddie Cane]

i just realized all of my updated thoughts are available with a quick skirt skirt iso

[Eddie Cane]

Okay, I'm fine with those explanations, though Fire wouldn't be a town read for me. I was intending to engage with you more on reads but I am actually lower on time than I thought due to sleeping in too late and I want to out something now that it needs to be outed before I go out. Are Spiff and Cabd the fn soft tm really your closest things to scumreads? Thats concerning to me cause Spiff seems townish and lolcabd.

[Eddie Cane]

The latter, do you not remember being one of my three strong townreads .-.

i'm about to tell you who to wagon,

[Eddie Cane]

I think someone said a while ago that Mulch is good as town. Now, I'm pretty skeptical of that, given his insistence that his town-game is identical to his scum-game, but let's imagine it's true.

100% of his scumreads throughout the entire game are town. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

It isn't true.

Also pretty sure that FB is scum, but I'm not going to lynch a gunslinger claim and supporting that read would require breaking rules.

I'm 90% sure that Firebringer isn't actually a gunsmith and 100% sure that him claiming to be one is NAI

fax b

Cabd doesn't pick up the scum PM unless their team got at least 2 and maybe 3.

This is useless

but he was asked...

Independent of that, I've been a little fence-ish on him in general, but I have a reason (which I don't think will be respected by the crowd) to think that he's unlikely to pick up a scum PM for him team.

So how would you rank Cabd's team in order from most likely to pick a scum PM to least?

Useless. Cabd might have picked scum, he's good enough at it that it wouldn't be a huge burden. This is only relevant if its someone like Creature.

Kagami devoting so much time to KMD's town read on Mulch seems so arbitrary and filler

I feel like there's an awkwardness coming from her that I've never really seen from town!Kagami before

I also didn't really like how she expected me to have more town reads based on Team Mafia meta and couldn't really give me a solid answer as to who or why she had that expectation in the first place

It is fair to push someone who is defending your scumread for perceived bad reasons. I don't actually remember KMD townreading mulch nor any reasons, maybe I should check on that. Don't actually have the time nor effort to ISO people today though since I needa leave for work in 40.

If I vote you am I scum Mulch?

I think it's funny that people were all over me for asking why Mulch scum read everyone that voted him and Cheetory does it here with no backlash

What a privileged son-of-a-bitch

People are stupid. Mulch does do that; not much of a scum tell for him though.

I sincerely doubt scum!KMD gets Mathdino to comment on literally everything for this long especially getting some pushback from people thinking it was initially disingenuous

Maybe this is a dangerous assumption in general but KMD seems pretty town otherwise as well which makes me confident in my read here

He's been asking questions that actually matter and holding people to them, and I think the last time I saw scum!KMD he was in perpetual "catch up mode" which I feel would be an easy thing for him to revert back to as scum with the hyper-posty nature of this game

I really, really disagree with this train of thought. My team didn't roll scum (not that me saying that means anything), but if they did I would certainly be just as involved as I am in every other game if not moreso. As it stands, I'm very attached to the game I was force swapped out of for obvious reasons, and am keeping up with the other two as well because I consider it a crime to not help your team out as much as possible. Fuck White Flag (tm). Mathdino is supposed to be good at scum, isn't he? I don't see why he wouldn't give thoughts here, and there is always the argument that you don't tell your scummates your partners if you want genuine thoughts out of them.

Two things:
1) When have you seen my town game before?
2) The wall posts were probably all catch up posts. Here, I'm interacting more because I'm actually here. It's not an alignment tell. It just means I'm on vacation and haven't worked a day since Team Mafia started.

I haven't. Personality Analysis (tm). Actually, I think you were town in that LQ game I read through, but regardless I can tell from your quality and style of scum game you are good at town too, if you can post like that as scum you can certainly do it as town. And, I buy 2. Almost like it discounts Spiffehs reasons for townreading you o.o

Can you expand on this? I feel like a lot of people are using the words "Implosion" and "town" together and none of it comes with reasons and I'm just not seeing what the rest of you are. Anyone townreading Implosion can answer this by the way.

What's he doing that's scummy? I can't remember him ever pinging me, and again I don't have time to do ISOs rn and have not seen one single convincing reason to scumread him.

Did you change your mind on the forced swap basically being a free clear then?

this is quoted for later

Well I'm town. Aris and Fire are town. Mulch I think is town but my team disagrees so meh. The rest of that list, I don't have an answer. Chara and Patrick I'm not really seeing one way or the other. Kagami, Implosion, and Una would all be fine by me.

So, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm interpreting this as you approve of my lynch pool for the most part. Aristo needs to actually post before I'm locking him as town, even though he's pretty shit at scum and despises it it isn't the same as Creature.

The irony is that meta is a super powerful tool that’s underused

Just nobody knows how to use it

(praying emoji) (praying emoji) (praying emoji) word of wisdom thank you Mulch /s

from fire cause it wouldn't quote properly fsr: I haven’t found a distinction so far this game since it seems ari has been forcing himself a lot to post which makes me think possible scum and RC thought so too.

His scum tells are being too nice as scum, forced posting, lurking. He is way behind and not posting anything relevant, he has been completely nice, and as you said forced. Like I said, I'm waiting for him to post because he really likely would want a town PM to me but this is scum ari in play so far, so we need the catchup and then active Ari. KMD, rebuttal?

I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.

I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them..

What specifically makes you think it's no longer TvT?

Una being Helpful and Productive tm

Hey Spiffeh, how about, in your next post, you rank every player from each team from most likely to pick a scum PM to least.

I only really know for a lot of these teams so this is my best guess for the teams I do know
DEFCON: Lady Lambdadelta > everyone else > hebichan

Team Cuddly: Postie/RC > everyone else

Relaxed Nature: Fro99er > Aeronaut > Gamma Emerald ? > Something_Smart/Aristophanes

Make Papa Proud: everyone > implosion

Queue Agents: everyone else > Ginngie > Bulbazak

Dandy Irate Hoes: hiplop > Reck/TSQ > Cheetory6 > Radja ?

You lose a lot of credibility because out of what I know in this, Frogger despises being scum and is easy to meta read. He's good at it if you DON'T meta, our scumgame together we crushed town completely (hi GL and Frog if you're reading xd), but because most of the modern players aren't OMG META IS AWFUL YOU IDIOTS and because he hates the alignment he would not have picked it over... anyone on that team besides Ari? Why would SS not take it, we've been scum together, it was similar enough to his town game, I bussed him and he made it look legit especially since he subbed in during the day so we couldn't communicate, he played solidly. Don't know why you'd bother posting this if your info was wrong with 5 minutes of background knowledge.

[Eddie Cane]

I have no intent to join the Kagami wagon as of now btw.

[Eddie Cane]

Name one SCUM game where I've wall posted like that

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?p=9641297#p9641297
There's like 5 or 6 more of these.

viewtopic.php?t=73578&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
Lots of wallposting ITG.

viewtopic.php?p=9528036#p9528036
Not a quote wall, but was looking to see if I did one itg and hey this is a wall.



And, I don't believe I've ever quote walled as scum, but its possible. Here's a hint: I don't normally fall behind, and I'm normally mobile posting so quoting things like that over and over is unfeasible. Spend 2 minutes metaing me and you will see post chains replying to people as I catch up that amount to "walls"

Finally, this is a garbage thing to push because you did see me as scum, we just mislynched you d1 (while I was VLA) and we proceeded to stomp town.

Name one SCUM game where I've wall posted like that

I’ve never seen you as scum afaict

This might be it?

are you using meta to define Eddie

yes?

The entirety of his town games have been uninvestsed one liners with occasional outbursts and a ton of criticism
Not explainy-reasonable-wall posts

Maybe

first of all that isn't true at all (you were in Beneath the Mask conveniently forgot that I suppose)

second, the reason this makes you scummy and why I'm putting so much effort to reply to it: It isn't like we were just in a game together. viewtopic.php?p=9628875#p9628875 - you were WELL aware I was scum there, and quite good at it.

[Eddie Cane]

No seriously

am I the only one that feels like Mulch's activity is dropping

Fuck you, because now I am forced to reveal the real reason I stopped pushing Mulch. Not ruining the thread any more is part of it. Not having time is part of it. But also... as my MU friend said a while ago when we were discussing MU players on MS,

lol yeah his scum meta is to flood the thread
then leave a vote and afk through eod

If you're wondering who that's about, let's see if this gives you a clue

he spam pings ppl for turbos on mu all the time
<<redacted>>
so i dont know much about him personally just kinda
socially clueless spam ping

If that doesn't clue you in, let's see if this one does

ppl will ragequit games he subs into

nope? not doing it for you? what about

ppl tolerate him but i think he annoys ppl sometimes

Sorry, just thought those were funny with how much Mulch preaches about how much better MU is. But, Ginngie, Massive Middle Finger Emoji because I was waiting to reveal that in a couple days. Start a shitstorm, then dip out and let it unfurl. Mulch has been talked to many times, he is well aware of how is spamming is viewed and how it is anti-town to do it. It was a conscious decision to enter the thread continuing it, playing to his meta because "herpaderp I play the same as both alignments". @KMD, I would hazard a guess the reason he reversed his hard town read of me is because of my reads list not having him higher. Also, him pocketing Tor with every post addressed at him doesn't help.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Mulch

You want a lynch confidently pushed? Best case scenario, Mulch is flipping scum. Very likely. Worst case, we remove someone so clearly antagonistic and annoying from the game AND open it up because of just how many interactions he is - probably leading to me reconsidering Kagami and likely voting him. But, this is the lynch today. He is full of shit.

[Eddie Cane]

But you know yourself wall posts are almost never done by you as town

didn't he just link a town wall post game

Yes but that’s not how he normally plays

I’m not pushing the meta as scummy and I don’t think it’s scummy anymore

But the fact he’s pushing me for it is ????

I mean it looks like you picked something and threw it to see if shit sticks.

The fact that you didn't spend anytime meta!diving when you make a meta case looks bad

Wanna know what's worse? Here's a ctrl F of his mentions of Eddie in his ISO before I subbed.

Ufo this dude makes a living on scum on good tone

And I don’t know why he’s pushing me when he literally has made it
A policy not to read me early in games

And I don’t know why Eddie cabd is scumreading me

you will not be giving a waffly stance on me this game without getting lynhed for it

you either tr me or sr me. no in between.

I’m not making a decision until I learn why Eddie is scumreafing me

First is fine, whatevs. Second though, I'm literally not in the game. IDK why you'd want that from me so badly.

who I think is pretty towny

He's a self proclaimed person that can't read me, Eddie is a self proclaimed person that dosent read me, and they are going on a wild manipulative day 1 tunnel based on pedantic nitpicking on what "pushing" is. Get your head out of your ass

I've already called it out but seems it was skimmed over, so here, let me do it again. WHEN. DID. I. SAY. I. DON'T. READ. YOU. How is this a "wild manipulative day 1 tunnel? You clearly value that point since you bring it up so much. I knew you were scum in Giga's game, I caught you in Boon's game, I wasn't an advocate of your lynch in Penguins though I was on the wagon technically, I orchestrated your mislynch with Boon in The Apartment, and in Beneath the Mask I argued against policy lynching you because I am a decent person and was the first person to vote you D2 as well as voting your teammate very early d1. Where in any of those games do you get "Eddie is a self proclaimed person that doesn't read me?"

Because he voted you?

No, because he voted me for a horrible reason that he knows better not to do- and same with Eddie. And has been tunneling me when he knows I blow up when tunneled as town. And has been reaffirming his scumread with a shit case and "reaction test" and has been pedantic and nitpicky.

Lulz

Nvm Car won't start hi

Me and my team collectively sr mulch but no one is budging and i give up

Why does Eddie Cane scumread me

Oh look, he still cares why the person who doesn't read him is scumreading him.

Implosion you do realize Transcend's forte as scum is having good tone

This quote from me in the game I played with Transcend-scum kind of resonates here:

As for Transcend: I still think he's scummy. Frankly it feels like he's trying way too hard relative to how it felt like he played in my other game with him. In that game he seemed overall irreverent, making snyde comments and commenting on a sort of arbitrary subset of the things that were being said (of course it was a large normal so there's a difference there but etc). Something feels off about his entry into the game and I think it's that it feels like he's going "hey guys I have reads look at me."

I feel like he isn't trying hard here, and he has the right mix of irreverence and pointedness from what I think his town game is supposed to look like.

I don't know, he seems really scummy to me. Like when he did that reaction test. That's super scummy

Or the fact Eddie Cane can't explain why he scumreads me.

Or the fact they are tunneling me despite the fact they both profess not to be able to read me

It's almost like I wasn't in the game

And hey look guys! Another time! This time it isn't just Eddie though, now me and Trans BOTH profess not to be able to read him! Truly a mindblowing continuation.

Implosion you do realize Transcend's forte as scum is having good tone

This quote from me in the game I played with Transcend-scum kind of resonates here:

As for Transcend: I still think he's scummy. Frankly it feels like he's trying way too hard relative to how it felt like he played in my other game with him. In that game he seemed overall irreverent, making snyde comments and commenting on a sort of arbitrary subset of the things that were being said (of course it was a large normal so there's a difference there but etc). Something feels off about his entry into the game and I think it's that it feels like he's going "hey guys I have reads look at me."

I feel like he isn't trying hard here, and he has the right mix of irreverence and pointedness from what I think his town game is supposed to look like.

I don't know, he seems really scummy to me. Like when he did that reaction test. That's super scummy

Or the fact Eddie Cane can't explain why he scumreads me.

Or the fact they are tunneling me despite the fact they both profess not to be able to read me

Last game I was scum against Eddie, he townread me and then I dominated his ass. It dosen't make sesne that he would scumread me and think his read is legit here. And trans still hasn't given me a simple "why" which also makes no sense

It's almost like this isn't remotely true and I've already called this out. Dominate my ass more Mulch

Transcend is scummy

He’s probably scum

Eddie cane farting out slippery bullshit helps too

The slippery bullshit of me still not casing someone I'm not in a game with? Third or fourth time's the charm I guess.

Kagami vote parking me as a policy lynch is pretty scummy

Actually more scummy than Eddie shitting bullshit

I’m pretty sure Eddie wants to be a hero and catch scum mulch

And it’s possivle transcend is foolishly listening to Eddie

Not that transcend isn’t scum but

Kagami probably scummier at this point

Oh look! A read progression! Now I have a hero complex and lynching the legendary Mulch will help me achieve my dreams of becoming a

Pokemon

Scumhunting Master


-- And, I'm in the game --. I guess you can call this a case if you want. More me musing at the hilarity that is Mulch. Considering if I consider Mulch town I find myself completely stuck in this gamestate and kind of force myself to want to lynch what I guess is a town lean (Kagami), I'm very happy with my vote here.

[Eddie Cane]

Hey look I beat the bot for a pagetop and it's a quality one. Okay, heading to work in a sec.

[Eddie Cane]

ppl tolerate him but i think he annoys ppl sometimes

I've made as many fucking enemies as you have and have as many friends too. There are people on MU like people named Secondhand Revenant and Gemma who hate me and would like nothing more than to lie to me and put me in a bad light. There are people on MU that are neutral and can tell me exactly how I am received. Trying to pin one person's reputation on me and try to frame it in a bad light is fucking horrible and again is showing your true colors

Yea, I gotta go to work. If people think this overreaction blowup makes you town I have no comment. I'm not going to turn this into Invention mafia, people will sheep me or they won't. I'm going to stop replying to you now because I need to leave but more because it isn't going anywhere.

ppl will ragequit games he subs into

Nobody has EVER ragequit a game I've replaced into. The only one who has is Gemma on mafia universe who is also nancy on MS. They are the only ones who did it, ever. This is a bold faced- coward-ridden lie and it's not only disgustingly false but illuminates you as the piece of shit you are

Hm. I got warned for using cunt in a friendly context, guess you aren't going to get shit because you aren't me even though you replied to me quoting some game-insulting things from someone with 10 posts of personal insults. I'm the piece of shit? Cool. I'm not going to get in an argument and get banned by staff that has it out for me.

lol yeah his scum meta is to flood the thread
then leave a vote and afk through eod

This is not my scum meta. I'm can every single one of my fucking scum games on MU and MS combined to show you that I've used this strategy about 4 times in about 20?25? scum games across the entrie sites. The only ones I dare to use this strategy on are people that don't even know me. What's more, I've made an entirely fucking conscious effort to not spam this entire game because I know that people hate it and it hurts thread unity besides the beginning when I wanted to give a fuck you to the geriatrics. I'm fucking aware of the fact it hurts town and that's why I spam when I'm scum when nobody knows me.

Case in point:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Team-Mafia

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... reatures-2

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71848

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542

These are the only 4 scum games I've ever done this strategy with

So you agree its a scum tell, because you only use it on people that don't know you...? I don't follow.

You are a lying bastard who hates that you’ve never read me correctly in any game you’ve ever plyed and the fact that I’ve scumread you correctly in every game we’ve ever played. You are a self conscious lying asshole who takes pride in their play and doesn’t realize that not only are your reads below average but your scum game sucks horrendously as well

You've scumread me in every game we've played? I thought you've never seen scum Eddie afauct? Or, the one time you conveniently forgot where you said I played brilliantly and we mislynched you d1?

Fuck you for trying to pin something on me for my personal relations with people

In a way that’s both slanderous and wrong
In a way that’s meant to humiliate me for no good reason
In a way that’s manipulative and intentionally hurtful

What about the fact you've been a massive cock to me, Cabd, and I'm sure others ITG? It is not manipulative, it is intentionally trying to call you out for your inappropriate comments you keep making at me and others. If you choose to have a temper tantrum, that's on you.

Fuck you for trying to pin something on me for my personal relations with people

You absolute dick headed cow arsed piece of horse shit

What am I trying to pin on you for your personal relations with people exactly muh friend? Simply gave a scum tell of you.

First of fucking all why are you assuming the opinions of one person on Mu that claims to not even know me personally is representative of everyone on that entire fucking site?

Well, they do know your play. I redacted their name as to not call them out, but they are a very proficient player who you have asked advice from. It is one of my reasons for considering you scum and why I was experimentally backing off, but Ginngie had to kill that and you conveniently started posting immediately after he called you out.

But you know yourself wall posts are almost never done by you as town

didn't he just link a town wall post game

Yes but that’s not how he normally plays

I’m not pushing the meta as scummy and I don’t think it’s scummy anymore

But the fact he’s pushing me for it is ????

I mean it looks like you picked something and threw it to see if shit sticks.

The fact that you didn't spend anytime meta!diving when you make a meta case looks bad

I guess I can see that

But I don’t really do that as scum

I would make sure a case makes sense before I make it .
You can verify this or I can.
As town I just think of things that come to my mind and say them without realizing how good/bad they sound

I thought your meta was the exact same except for very subtle motivational differences only the keenest hunters can discern?

[Eddie Cane]

That isn't nancy. I don't talk to nancy.

Your reputation isn't stellar here to begin with buddy. Not sure how you think me posting those quotes inside one game is smearing your reputation across an entnire forum, but if you think you're well received here you're deluding yourself. This is from a person who had to argue against you getting poliy lynched.

And, with that, I'm done.

[Eddie Cane]

a bit early so quici phonepost I'm fine with kagami and mulch being the two wagons with the premise that town mulch does indeed mean scum kagami. but, I will not be moving my vote off mulch today and for the rest of the game if kagami flips town. I am not replying to mulch again either umprompted; if someone quotes something from him they ask me to reply to directly, that'll be it. I hope people see all the bs the last few pages have but it's cool.

[Eddie Cane]

UFO there aren't any wolfy people this game

Spiffeh is pretty null-scum

Kagami is legitmately scummy

Everyone else is some degree of towny

I'm wrong somewhere

VOTE: mulch

dude I was hard pocketed by you, congratulations

but you're scum and kagami is almost always a mislynch here

just got off work and catching up from phone rq, saw kmd reply to me I'll get to that when I'm at a computer if I haven't by tomorrow remind me please

[Eddie Cane]

UFO there aren't any wolfy people this game

Spiffeh is pretty null-scum

Kagami is legitmately scummy

Everyone else is some degree of towny

I'm wrong somewhere

VOTE: mulch

dude I was hard pocketed by you, congratulations

but you're scum and kagami is almost always a mislynch here

I'm not scum smh

this is probably a death sentence for me

Just promise to lynch Kagami after this

breaking my rule of not replying to say I will 90% be voting kagami tomorrow if you flip town.

[Eddie Cane]

Post

MFW trying to catch up and see this. Motivation killer much? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Or rather, if I thought you were capable of feeling shame, I'd hope for that.

don't waste breath cabd. I don't mean to be a hardass but you need to ignore the twat and start doing shit please

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, you asked me about scummy things Implosion has done. I really should dig deeper on him anyway because my gut is telling me he has a decent chance of being scum here. Far from my strongest scum read, but enough to be worth looking into. So...
-I hate to keep going back to this, but I didn't like the way he reacted to Mulch's whole mason claim thing. It seemed like he was trying to fake an easy opinion by shrugging it off as "well that's just Mulch". See where he said:

This is something he has explicitly stated he just does sometimes.

And Mulch answered with simply "I have?". It feels like he saw what happened and decided what stance to take without thinking critically about it. And then after that, he said that Mulch was after town cred. That makes no sense to me considering Mulch's line of reasoning was even if he (Mulch) flips scum, we should still treat Tora as confirmed town. It just doesn't feel like Implosion is actively sorting here.

-This:

But it's not really accurate to say that I'm scumreading anyone right now. I'm pretty reluctant these days to actually scumread anyone early d1 unless something sort of falls into place, which it does sometimes but not always. I mostly just accumulate townreads.

And I know he's not the only one guilty of it (see spiff), but it really felt like he wanted to fly under the radar for a while. And not just in the sense of activity. But more...just not stirring up controversy. Not getting his hands dirty. Not giving anyone a chance to say "man that was a really scummy push".

-His confidence in me being town just feels unnaturally strong. I mean, he did say it was because of my stance on teammates helping, so it's not like he hasn't given a reason but it seems like he's coasting on that as a reason and for me to be his "strongest townread", "unquestionably town", and "blatantly obvtown" over it just doesn't feel right. I feel weird having issues with town reads on me because it keeps coming up and I don't usually do that to this extent, but some of them just feel out of place and Implosion's fits that category just like Kagami's does. Cheet and maybe Spiff I think just have the right read for the wrong reasons. These two don't feel natural.

That's fair enough, as I said I called out Implosion being obvtown too. I can see where you're coming from for sure. My experience with Implosion is very limited (my worst scum game on site (though I subbed) and a game he modded that was my second best town game on site shoutout cheet who was in it too). I remember him being a much stronger townie than he's being here, his presence is pretty limited. Ugh I dunno I opened his iso and spent 20 seconds scanning it and it /looks/ pretty contenty, and I can't remember almost any of those posts. That's probably a bad thing. Gonna spend 3 minutes doing a very brief iso.

i might as well be calling you confirmed town right now with the strength of read I've given. Why aren't you townreading me?

lol wtf is this

viewtopic.php?p=9915460#p9915460 - don't like this post

Kmd is pretty unquestionably town to me.
Cheetory is continually looking how I expect him to look.
Aristophanes and Cabd are strictly off the table today and probably both town.
Toranga and Eddie are still pretty confidently town from their early games.
Spiffeh and Ginngie have both done things that make me kind of feel both ways. Ginngie is probably a bit unlikely to take scum and spiffeh's selfmetaish talk over the past while has felt mostly genuine? He's probably still a decent candidate for scum though just on the basis of his scumgame being good. I don't know if any of this stuff is really solidly outside of his scum range.
Patrick is sort of gut town and probably i need to look more into him?

i just found a dota game though so i'll continue this later but basically i hunt mostly by townhunting and just haven't seen things from you yet.

Good reads though.

I still don't think I scumread implosion, I'm leaving him as a townlean.

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?p=9915460#p9915460 - don't like this post

That's god-tier hardcore analysis

what are you smoking eddie

It feels like the kind of case I do as scum a fair bit; very confbiasy, ascribing motivations to too many things, filling in too many blanks. Of course, I'm exaggerating how much I dislike it because I have implosion on the town half still and have Kagami as scum with you town still.

[Eddie Cane]

hey chara

did i do a good job obv towning

[Eddie Cane]

fwiw una I legitimately find it funny watching you try to meta me but I have to cut it off unfortunately

1) your paranoia is over the top and dumb as a player. fine, there's others like that. now you have 4 partners to help you sort tour thoughts and your garbage hypotheticals are unnecessary.
2) I have no reason to suspect you? excuse me?
3) I have you as scum right now. give me boon.

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?p=9917081&f=127#p9917081

So... this is interesting. There is no longer an element of policy, so if I could get Tora and Boon's final reads on mulch if they're town i'll go to kagami or spiffeh most likely. I want to be clear I still think that slot is on the scum side, but if Tora and Boon adamantly disagree I am probably wrong.

[Eddie Cane]

party in the usa

[Eddie Cane]

Reads rn

Town
Eddie Cane, Mulch, Chara
Spiffeh, Toranaga, Ginngie
Kmd43

Null

Patrick, implosion, Unabomeh
Scum lean
Aristophanes, Cabd
Scum
Cheetory, Kagami

Do you agree if Kagami is town then Mulch slot is scum?

Otherwise, this is a fine list, Chara and Toranaga swapped is the only other addendum I'd make.

[Eddie Cane]

Okay. good with your reads list then Other than that I have no intent to vote Cheet today and probably any time soon, I stand by strongly Mulch slot or Kagami flipped today.

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72052

fwiw my other game with cheet, IIRC he didn't have any strong reads at... any point before d3 where he might've pushed CCC. at least, my impression during that game was that Cheet was backseat towning to me very atune to what he's doing here, and I just don't see what makes him scum here.

[Eddie Cane]

Firebringer, I have no idea what you think you are seeing that I'm not. Cheet is probably the furthest from apathetic I've seen him in a while.

but there's also an element of me building up the best case for Kagami-scum that I can and seeing if other people agree with it or if certain points stand out or if the whole thing is rubbish.

Dude. You want me to town read you and then you post something like this. That doesn't sound like a town mindset at all.

this is a fine list, Chara and Toranaga swapped is the only other addendum I'd make.

It might or might not mean anything, but this is the second time I can remember Eddie calling someone's list a good one. The other was Cheet's which isn't really all that close to this one. Eddie's own list also had Cheet and Cabd as town where Firebringer has them in his bottom four. Eddie, why is this a good list and why was Cheet's? Be specific.

i read it and the thought that game to my mind was good list tm

[Eddie Cane]

KMD
======
Firebringer, Aristophanes (s), Eddie, implo (s), Chara
======
Kagami, Ginngie (s), Tora (s)
======
Una (s), Patrick, Mulch (s) *null line
======
Spiff
======
Cabd

Where (s) is a stale read that I need to spend more time on.
Una and Tora are for sures for efforting at tonight.
Implosion scum metadive is probably my next stop but probably not a tonight thing.

Reads rn

Town
Eddie Cane, Mulch, Chara
Spiffeh, Toranaga, Ginngie
Kmd43

Null

Patrick, implosion, Unabomeh
Scum lean
Aristophanes, Cabd
Scum
Cheetory, Kagami

Well for starters, a lot happened in those 400 posts. Both generally agree on Chara Tora, KMD, Ginngie and the most important player Eddifer Caneson as town. Both agree Cabd is quite scummy. I'm pretty sure I replied to cheet saying Ari is ab ad town lean and that I discussed implosion a bit after that, Kagami and Mulch being in the middleish (one and the correct one imo as a town lean) is almost the same as having one as town and one as scum because we agree there's 1 and only 1 scum in there, which is why I replied to fire saying that. The only real disagreement is... well, nothing really? Cheet townreads fire and fire scumreads cheet which I disagree with? Don't really get what you mean by they aren't too similar.

[Eddie Cane]

Fire cheet isn't getting lynched today bro I'm not saying I won't listen to a scum case later but hunt the other 2 scum if u need to its just not gonna happen

so cheet ginngie

a lot has happened recently, i want TAKES on it GOD lets ENGAGE and INTERACT and GAMESOLVE maybe im CRUMBING with these CAPS or maybe I'm just WEIRD :THINKbigING:

[Eddie Cane]

I’m a scum read in one and a town read in the other!

TRUE!

[Eddie Cane]

cheet stfu with fire and just pretend he doesnt exist if u want

[Eddie Cane]

I’m zen tho
So.

Yeah

Dont even mind being called useless
Just another day

Hey fire

you were not useless in games i've seen you play before i know ur a smart player

but ur being useless here and idk how u can argue against that

like even best case scenario we assume you're town Cheet's scum, do you really think this push from you is going to do anything to get him lynched today? :/ I would rather you either put in the effort to fully commit to scumreading Cheet with reasons /or/ just drop it because it's clearly offending him (granted, I don't think you've said anything over the line or even near it personally).

like this is a pointless engagement because you clearly arent a contender for lynch today no matter your alignment so like i will legit be annoyed if it is the reason you stop playing


also on the tangent of not playing... spiffeh weren't we going to get more for you?

and going further... Ari and Cabd you've both done almost nothing ... this game. Ari, idk what your excuse is but ... o.o. Cabd, seriously, Mulch is gone, I get going through getting laid off is shit and that sucks so don't let the following discount that but dude if you're town we need you playing the game or to sub. Like, your decision if you can put the time into mafia right now and you're in the right headspace to do it and its completely understandable if you can't, but if you can't for the sake of town prodging until the end of d1 is not okay.




Yknow I almost asked Transcend to sub rather than swapping games because of how little I wanted to play here? I didn't because that would've been a dick move, but this game has just been one massive shitfest after another. Mulch and Fire shitposting for 20 pages, Mulch and Transcend going at it for 40, me and Mulch for 20, some filler inbetween... can we please just play mafia




--


We are lynching Kagami or Mulch slot today. Anything outside of that I will probably disagree with without a reallllly solid case. That said, my reads are somewhere around here now - you'll notice there aren't too many tiers because there's no creature in this game that's so obv town i'll never vote them. Also, felt like simplifying it here.

{Cheet, Ginngie, Toranaga, Patrick} - not considering lynching in here today period.
{KMD, Fire, Chara, Implosion} - Towny in their own right. Very unlikely to entertain as a lynch today. Implosion is who I was most hesitant to put here fwiw.

Not going to tier the rest ladder style, going to do them individually instead.

{Kagami, Mulch} - contains 1 scum. Only 1 scum. I mean, if both flip town Spiffeh is probably scum, but I consider both flipping town about as likely as I expect Transcend to make a Mastina length post. I will consider the other conftown upon a scumflip - not theatre. I know you want me to say I'm 100% on it being Mulch, but honestly it's more like 70% and now that the slot isn't Mulch I /am/ willing to hear the replacement out if we really want to wait - keep in mind deadline is in 6 days, after a replacement joins it'll likely be 5 and they probably won't be caught up so :/

{Cabd, Ari} Friendly Neighbour claim = town. Otherwise... I can see this slot being scum. Not as tunnelled on that as a lot of ya'll are, but honestly I don't actually want a claim from them today atp because I won't be voting them most likely and the wifom is better. The latter has no good real life excuse to not be caught up as far as I'm aware, and if we didn't get to see our pms before picking I would consider Ari lock scum here most likely on mostly meta partly uselessness and lighthearted prodging. I just have no clue how scum justified Ari picking the scum PM on a team with I think 4 people who could take it other than them and do better if Ari was going to be this useless, trying to wrap my head around that before ocmmitting on a scumread there.

{Spiffeh, Una} Waffle a lot on these. The former def. townier. The latter I want Boon to catch up, tell them to knock the shit off (love you Una <3), and once Boon is caught up I'll be able to ask Boon some questions and Boon should be able to keep Una in check. Yknow, you guys don't know this most likely but Una is pretty smart, just a paranoid motherfucker who doesn't know how to not be lynchbait. This does resemble their scum game in WR mafia to me a little bit from memory and less like their towngame from Penguin mafia, but similarish to the apartment too. Dunno. I call the slot scum for now, but not strongly.

[Eddie Cane]

That would mean I have a scum pool of {Kagami, Mulch, Cabd, Ari, Spiffeh, Una} if you need a translation, if I had to call the scumteam rn without isoing Mulch Ari Una

[Eddie Cane]

Okay uh

What do you think of 2346? Name your top 3 scumreads rn, quick reasons why (not a case like yknow a one-two sentence summary thing), top 3 townreads, why they're town (same thing).

[Eddie Cane]

but I already argued why ari is a bad town read and considering I town read him for the same thing at a point it's fine. kagami and mulch are interchangeable and which side of the coin you're on is the difference, fire agreed town kagami is mulch scum. they're both fine reads lists and pretty damn similar.

[Eddie Cane]

OK, end of the spamline:

Solid-ish Townreads:

Patrick, Cheetory6, Chara

Townleans:

Spiffeh, implosion, Firebringer

Waffle-line:

Ginngie, Toranaga, Kmd4390

Scumleans:

Aristophanes, Kagami, Cabd

Scumreads:

Mulch-slot, Eddie Cane

DISCLAIMER:

I absolutely hate saying anyone is "NULL" at this point of the game anymore, therefore I have that waffle-line for slots I'm having most trouble with. Almost all of those slots are either A) posting too little ACTUAL CONTENT for me to be confident in my ability to read them or B) providing good content I townread, but then posting things I scumread, and effectively muddying it up.

On Eddie/mulch - I do not care how much Eddie (or anyone else) bashes me for putting him down there, but I'm trying to be honest and open with my read on the slot at the moment. One reason that slot is still in there, is because of how Trans approached the game. While Eddie has been salvaging the slot immensely, I still think Trans was scum, and therefore Eddie is playing VERY WELL, but on a scum-slot. (I feel dirty for writing scum-slot, I might have a dirty mind )

Toranaga WOULD BE a townlean for me, but his waffling on mulch confused me immensely.
One of the main reasons why I want a flip from mulch/Eddie is for me to maybe be able to sort Tor too.

Kmd I initially scumread, but their content has been generally good. They will most likely rise above or fall below by the time they make their next bigger post.

Ginngie is not as adorable as I thought she might be. She is one of the three slots in this game that would benefit IMMENSELY from just spamming game-related content. She would likely either towntell, or be scummy in my eyes very quickly.

The other two slots that I just need to see more from (in terms of quantity) are Cabd and Ari. If they are town, all they need to do is spam content, and I'm almost certain I'm able to sort them too. (I understand IRL can be hard, it has been for me too, but that is the only way I can confidently sort them)

K, thx bai.

mulch is either town which makes tor town or scum which probably still makes tor town

[Eddie Cane]

it's not, my slot bring his strongest scumread is completely unjustifiable, and other than cheet my 3 biggest trs are his null line.

also una, in penguin mafia you did no reads lists like that and by the end (20-30 pages longer than the thread is now) you had a 2 page iso full of content. in WR mafia, however, you did those reads lists a lot and were always playing catchup iirc. thoughts?

[Eddie Cane]

Patrick, basically what fire said but more that I can't fit in a universe in my head with town mulch and also town kagami. if we assume mulch is town, the only people pushing him are myself and kagami, I know I'm town and mulch knew I was town regardless of his alignment, and it's very unlikely two townies would have this much trouble pushing a mislynch through. call it gut or whatever you want but mulch kgamai clear tvs and moreover mulch slot probably just s.

[Eddie Cane]

You got more from me already on everything I found worthy to comment on

Do you have specific things you want me to comment on? Maybe that will help

Okay uh

What do you think of 2346? Name your top 3 scumreads rn, quick reasons why (not a case like yknow a one-two sentence summary thing), top 3 townreads, why they're town (same thing).

[Eddie Cane]

Can you put into your own words why Firebringer is town?
Is it literally just that he claimed gunsmith and said he would target your slot?
Or is it something else?

Let me get back to you on how I feel about Fire after I've talked with my team.

no assemble. this is not the question. why do YOU townread firebringer? it's apparently your only read so you must be e thought it for some reason.

[Eddie Cane]

I think ur critizising him for skimming for no good reason.
Why aren’t you yelling at ari for not even reading?

I'm personally criticising him for inventing a read on your slot to look like he's playing and then dipping from the thread because he can't back it up

[Eddie Cane]

also, this replacement choice isn't ai fwiw. assemble pmd us to sub but we had Titus; I assume he also pmd spam squad.

[Eddie Cane]

Actually i just re isod mulch and I'm gonna just null read him

UNVOTE:
VOTE: chara

anyone scumreading this can die a horrible death in all mafia games forever

Actually idk. I just need more ppl to post

VOTE: cabd

like seriously what the hell do you all think you're doing

what's going on mulch

are you tone deaf motherfucker

decided to iso tor because they've been bleh lately and maybe it's blind spot or something and wanted to lol at this

[Eddie Cane]

unrelated to the game, but this reminds me MS does mod communication wrong. it should be 100% done privately and not referenced by players in the game. questions about mechanics etc that should be clear to all players are ofc supposed to be answered in the thread, but even the player that asked the question should be private to avoid any kind of spew.

this is a banal example of in-thread mod communication that can be read into, at least partially, as a conditional read. not important, not anyone's fault, but mod communication rules rn are inappropriate for playing forum mafia imo.

im sorry youre friends with him but those comments were inappropriate regardless of his alignment. that's nothing that should be read into alignmenty.

[Eddie Cane]

tora can be town I /guess/ but torn up was far more townie in our hydra blitz and cheekys posts were the ones that gave us a bit of doubt do I don't think that can be chalked up to a hydra, cheet and chara you were there too if you want to comment on that. slots probably still town ish though, I really need them to commit to a stance on mulch.

[Eddie Cane]

it's not a scum slip I thought the same thing the first time I read it

but if that's what it takes to rope the slot it's a scum slip

[Eddie Cane]

assemble invented a read on fire, dunno why that hasn't gotten more attn -_-

[Eddie Cane]

back to our regularly scheduled program

i am ready for the day to end so if we could get some more assemble votes that would be swell

[Eddie Cane]

So basically Kagami, you have identical reads to me. p/p

[Eddie Cane]

Your push on me for forgetting a game 4 months ago which should “obviously” be on the front of my mind feels so scummy tho

your meta was easily disproved

so I dont know who else is scum to you besides Eddie

feels like you only talk to eddie vigorously

hint: nobody, because eddie is his strongest townread, because hint: he's scum.

[Eddie Cane]

{Cheet, Ginngie, Toranaga, Patrick}
{KMD, Fire, Chara, Implosion}

{Kagami, Mulch} - contains 1 scum. Only 1 scum. I mean, if both flip town Spiffeh is probably scum, but I consider both flipping town about as likely as I expect Transcend to make a Mastina length post. I will consider the other conftown upon a scumflip - not theatre. I know you want me to say I'm 100% on it being Mulch, but honestly it's more like 70% and now that the slot isn't Mulch I /am/ willing to hear the replacement out if we really want to wait - keep in mind deadline is in 6 days, after a replacement joins it'll likely be 5 and they probably won't be caught up so :/

{Cabd, Ari} Friendly Neighbour claim = town. Otherwise... I can see this slot being scum. Not as tunnelled on that as a lot of ya'll are, but honestly I don't actually want a claim from them today atp because I won't be voting them most likely and the wifom is better. The latter has no good real life excuse to not be caught up as far as I'm aware, and if we didn't get to see our pms before picking I would consider Ari lock scum here most likely on mostly meta partly uselessness and lighthearted prodging. I just have no clue how scum justified Ari picking the scum PM on a team with I think 4 people who could take it other than them and do better if Ari was going to be this useless, trying to wrap my head around that before ocmmitting on a scumread there.

{Spiffeh, Una} Waffle a lot on these. The former def. townier. The latter I want Boon to catch up, tell them to knock the shit off (love you Una <3), and once Boon is caught up I'll be able to ask Boon some questions and Boon should be able to keep Una in check. Yknow, you guys don't know this most likely but Una is pretty smart, just a paranoid motherfucker who doesn't know how to not be lynchbait. This does resemble their scum game in WR mafia to me a little bit from memory and less like their towngame from Penguin mafia, but similarish to the apartment too. Dunno. I call the slot scum for now, but not strongly.

does anybody actually disagree with this poe? to be clear, this proposes a scum pool of {Kagami/Mulch, Cabd, Ari, Spiffeh, Una}, spiffeh being the least likely.

[Eddie Cane]

we've been going back and forth for a while now, but the only names for scum i've seen thrown out are the same ones over and over, namely the 6 there. Fire and Cheet had their spat, Toranaga is dropped down a tier from the time I've posted honestly because he's been really idle, but like, this just feels like we are cycling back and forth. This day is dragging, yes we are techncially waiting on Cabd/Assemble/Ari but like they've had their time, Cabd is supposedly at least somewhat caught up because he replied to that Mulch post and just never posted a catchup, Ari is somewhat caught up because he's been prodging about catching up for what 40 pages now, and Assemble is probably caught up because he reads 20 pages every 5 minutes. We can finally lynch Mulch or you can ignore me and lynch Kagami, but this is getting tedious and we are working our way towards an apathetic deadline lynch.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm town reading everyone in your town pool except for Toranaga and kind of Patrick so I think it's a good place to be reads-wise right now

I only town read Patrick that strongly because A) Up until very recently he hasn't done anything at all I suspect, and while his activity is rather sparse and this is a game with a lot of townie people B) I believe him about never picking scum, though if I have time I /might/ see if I can find any old games to corroborate that. Toranaga apparently never picks scum, and I think they have at least a little scum equity from a scum mulch flip but less than if they kept tunnelling town!mulch and mulch then flipped scum.

[Eddie Cane]

Patrick, katsuki says you've clearly senile and should just trust us on mulch-scum.

I appreciate Katsuki chiming in with this.

If forced to pick between you and Mulch (replacement), I'd probably vote for Mulch, but am not really comfortable with the idea that that one of you has to be scum, which seems to be gaining a fair bit of support. What's your current read on Spiffeh?

Like for example this:

Reads rn

Town
Eddie Cane, Mulch, Chara
Spiffeh, Toranaga, Ginngie
Kmd43

Null

Patrick, implosion, Unabomeh
Scum lean
Aristophanes, Cabd
Scum
Cheetory, Kagami

Combined with this:

Do you agree if Kagami is town then Mulch slot is scum?

Yeah I said that the other day

Makes very little sense to me. It implies a level of certainty in Kagami being scum that I don't see how someone could have on day 1, such that a Kagami town-flip would bring Mulch right down to the bottom of the list, despite being a current strong town-read. It's not the only example, I think both Ginggie and Eddie have said that there is 1 scum among Kagami/Mulch, maybe someone else has as well. Why is that so likely to be true?

This kinda had me doubty (because its asking someone to explain why something is TvS which is a very gut / dumb concept (yes I use it yes I'm a hypocrite), but I chop that up to out-of-date, kind of like how your grandparents probably can't take a picture on a smartphone.

[Eddie Cane]

Ginger are you still scum reading Kagami? If so, would prefer to lynch them over Assemble today?

what''s your experience with Kagami? If nothing, I've heard the scum case for him, so its irrelevant, just curios if this is a partially meta based decision because I'm a newer player and you both played primarily before my time.

Have you been reading everywhere spiff?

Tora is an interesting slot, and I'd say pretty firmly town.

and well he's doing that, want to town case Tor for me

[Eddie Cane]

... I don't see how Momo and Sauce swapping has any bearing here.

FireBringer is where I see my blind spot, but more because RC picking scum wifom etc etc no reason to want to push them yet. If Ari/Cabd/Una/Spiff sort themselves out, they will probably be a place I look first.

[Eddie Cane]

Ginngie's scumlist of 5 players probably has exactly one scum in it, making it slightly worse than chance. I stand by my team's opinion that Ginngie doesn't take scum unless they got 3+ scum PMs and his pants are simply planted quite firmly upon his head, but that is something not to worry about until later.

I'm going to say Ginngie's reads are shit

I'm going to say I think Ginngie is town and that is my team's consensus

I'm not going to say why Ginngie is wrong

I'm not going to say why Ginngie shouldn't be townreading certain slots

I'm not going to ask Ginngie for their opinions

I'm not going to try and work with a townread to help solve the game

I'm townreading a slot while also discrediting them at the same time.



Ginngie sits here like: oh okay thats cool too

oh also, this.

i had Ginngie town because her thoughts have been right there with mine and she's maintained that. still happy with it, don't know her scum meta at all.

ginngie is not really a meta read for me even if i have presented it that way a bit.

I'm here now, sorry.

Had to totally bomb an interview first~

wb, bombing interviews is always a blast. mulch is gone now if you missed that.

I think this game is probably as simple as mulch-slot, unabombah, and I'd guess Firebringer.

i don't.... like this list. i'm trying to figure out why. is it the earliness? Firebringer's inclusion? even though i understand why players aren't townreading Firebringer. or the way Kagami said it.

it's possible i'm gut-scumreading the way Kagami presents themself.

i mean, they're really putting themselves into a bad position if mulch slot flips town. i don't see the scum motivation for playing the way they are, mulch isn't a player you need to throw a slot away to mislynch.

[Eddie Cane]

we got into the one must be scum mentality when I started pushing it, I'm like 80% sure I pushed it first and I still stand by it confidently. the thing is, almost all he has done this game is push mulch, i suppose it may not have originally been thought of as not recoverable but at this point i'd like to think it is. it doesn't help i suppose that i wholeheartedly agree with the push and at the time it would've been much easier to pile on transcend rather than push mulch - i'm pretty sure he was the first person after us to really push scum mulch. don't even wanna call it WKing the way he did it.

[Eddie Cane]

i mean, there's also the fact that he's just not going to flip town :C

[Eddie Cane]

una; has boon read the game, and if not did you at least tell him my request ; what was his reply if so. paraphrase obviously.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't want him to help me sort you, that wouldn't help me period. I want him to help me sort mulch, and to help YOU sort ME as a secondary effect. You are allowed to say if a member of your team is busy, Tchill is being replaced that's public knowledge (viewtopic.php?p=9921831#p9921831) & you could say if another member was busy.

But, you didn't answer if you told him my request 30-40 pages ago when I asked you to, and the second time I did. Also, go read the apartment if you want, it's a waste of time but if you have nothing better to do :shrug:.

[Eddie Cane]

i mean, they're really putting themselves into a bad position if mulch slot flips town. i don't see the scum motivation for playing the way they are, mulch isn't a player you need to throw a slot away to mislynch.

we got into the one must be scum mentality when I started pushing it, I'm like 80% sure I pushed it first and I still stand by it confidently

I'm not sure how you can believe both of these things. Like if assemble is lynched today and flips town, do you just stop believing the first quote and push Kagami anyway or...? What am I missing here?

i don't scumread kagami. i've already explained why mulch being town likely makes him scum as best i can past fire's gut thing which is true. town!mulch and town!kagami means mulch was hard tunnelled by two strong townies and we couldn't get the lynch through for 50+ pages, with scum defending mulch the whole time. remember, up until very recently nobody has pushed mulch at all outside of myself and kagami, even getting votes has been pulling teeth up until my last case and his subsequent blowup. wasn't it literally just myself and kagami before that? and meanwhile, no other wagons are starting at all.... except kagami? so scum spent that entire time pushing kagami and WKing a wagon that wasn't happening? and, there's also that mulch despite his many, many flaws is pretty good at reading people (and in this hypothetical town mulch world demonstrated so by putting me as his hardest TR despite me pushing him and his flaming of my character and me as a person) and still had kagami as scum; this would require him also being wrong on that front. additionally, with a town mulch kagami's iso has literally just been tunnelling town and since his entire team "agrees" with the read (i know i'm being hypocritical here) that would be very unlikely. finally, almost everyone else in this game is so damn townie and nobody has disagreed with my poe yet.

[Eddie Cane]

No need to be annoyed with me, doesn't change anything.

why are you refusing to answer my simple ass question

did you forward my requset to boon to your pt or not

final time i'm answering or after mulch flips i'm vote parking you tomorrow.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't want him to help me sort you, that wouldn't help me period. I want him to help me sort mulch, and to help YOU sort ME as a secondary effect. You are allowed to say if a member of your team is busy, Tchill is being replaced that's public knowledge (viewtopic.php?p=9921831#p9921831) & you could say if another member was busy.

But, you didn't answer if you told him my request 30-40 pages ago when I asked you to, and the second time I did. Also, go read the apartment if you want, it's a waste of time but if you have nothing better to do :shrug:.

No need to be annoyed with me, doesn't change anything.

Thank you for finally replying;

where do you get "annoyed with you" in 2560? I was perfectly pleasant and charming. Some say dashing. I am annoyed with ou AFTER, because it took 3 posts to get you to answer a yes or no question that has very little alignment bearing.

Boon was also the one who toneread Ari as scum based on his entrance, unlike almost everyone else (apparently) in this game.

I said the same thing :shrug:

He now said he will try to find time for this game too, not going to pressure him for it. I bet our other games are easier to keep up with and help anyway.

thank you.

[Eddie Cane]

don't feel like trimming the quote on mobile but at kmd:
spiffeh does look scummier by a fair bit with a mulch town flip to me, yea. implosion alignment doesn't overly get changed specifically by the flip to me.

the thing about bussing is town has an extra free mislynch in these games, I think in team mafia bussing is disincentivized as a whole, though not completely of course. but specific to here, I don't think mulch would want to be bussed at all, he's like rc in that he's very arrogant about his skills. granted, I personally like rc significantly more but that's irrelevant and not the point of the comparison. I guess I just don't think mulch would want to be bussed because he'd think he could carry? and why would he need to be bussed when no-one besides two townies suspect him? whereas with town mulch, if you look back through the thread it's pretty incredulous to think how hard kagami and I tunnelled on him (both of us don't have many scumreads and both of us have 0 other strong ones) and scum chose to not partake. the only argument I can see is if kagami was the push and they used the push from mulch to fuel that but that seems like a lot of work for very little gain - idk about you but mulch is a tonereader and his reads switch up a lot, is that the player scum you wants to pocket for late game? I am mostly rambling at this point with a lot of weird wifom stuff, mulch and kagami both being town doesn't make sense to me at all I can't really explain it better. I've given a poe nobody has overly contested so if you assume both are town it has to be 3 of una spiff ari cabd, don't see that much either because then the scum team has been doing literally nothing all game unprompted.

[Eddie Cane]

L-2 I think - now I'm off to bed.

stop ignoring me

[Eddie Cane]

l-1, claim assemble. chara at the very least is willing to hammer from memory I'm sure more are.

[Eddie Cane]

oh.

[Eddie Cane]

nah.

[Eddie Cane]

sure what you wanna bet

[Eddie Cane]

I can't bet avis I can't change my avi it's the Cane Special

[Eddie Cane]

deal

I get your sig on the red

[Eddie Cane]

he's not very friendly he's called peta on me twice

[Eddie Cane]

remember I look bad if he claims roleblocked

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?p=9716507#p9716507

[Eddie Cane]

me too having a sig is still anticane

[Eddie Cane]

i'll bet u 10$ there's a mafia related Vine somewhere

[Eddie Cane]

Thanks <3 love u too fire

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: kagami

[Eddie Cane]

hi cheet are u feeling better

[Eddie Cane]

that's unf. I did absolutely nothing today besides go to the gym and I am a productive member of the society!

[Eddie Cane]

i used to swim at least once a week because one of the goodlifes near me has a 24 hour pool with a hot tub the was 50% salt 50% chlorine and a really nice temperature, after a workout. it's in renos rn tho so I've been lazy

[Eddie Cane]

I don't get JK as often as Flavor Leaf gets scum PMs in mini normals, but I do get it.

Why r u arguing over ur role when u could be giving us reads?

this game is very hard. page 20 transcend town. page 25 bad cabd vote. page 30 fire is town. I don't know why tho, gotta go ask my team.

[Eddie Cane]

get off rat

[Eddie Cane]

Cheet
Kagami
Ginngie
Spiffeh
Patrick
Implosion
Chara
Tor
KMD
Cabd
Fire
Ari
Una


town to scum

[Eddie Cane]

the, I'm way more paranoid of gingie than that rank suggests but anyone chara or higher flipping scum would shock the shit out of me.

[Eddie Cane]

Gamma Emerald, Aeronaut, Something_Smart and Fro99er.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

VOTE: Aristophanes

is this a guilty or just a scumread?

VOTE: una

[Eddie Cane]

ginngie: your sig is just eddie cane

[Eddie Cane]

No effort win??

myself and to a lesser degree kagami put a lot of effort into this win tyvm

[Eddie Cane]

let's let it remain a mystery while everyone checks in.

I mean, the scum team being an amalgamation of Ari Una Fire seems very likely.

[Eddie Cane]

Well. Cabd is a bit hard to place until we get a report on the Friendly Neighbour thing - if he isn't one I can easily imagine him being scum. Otherwise both Aris and Unabombah seem like decent bets. My comment was more lazily hoping for an easy scumlynch today without firing up the brain at all, but I agree with waiting a bit on that.

this isn't just in reply to you but I cba quoting properly on mobile rn; no point waiting to out the guilty. at all. we aren't going to wuicjlynvh them before cabd posts this isn't the newbie queue despite what the first 30 pages look like

[Eddie Cane]

That would mean I have a scum pool of {Kagami, Mulch, Cabd, Ari, Spiffeh, Una} if you need a translation, if I had to call the scumteam rn without isoing Mulch Ari Una

una > cabd

[Eddie Cane]

unas not aligned with the town

[Eddie Cane]

unless you can explain why you visited a certain someone

[Eddie Cane]

you're ic?

[Eddie Cane]

KMD I don't like your line of questioning and it isn't helpingnmy scumread on your slot jsyk

[Eddie Cane]

KMD I don't like your line of questioning and it isn't helpingnmy scumread on your slot jsyk

Don't care. My team needs these answers.

...alrigjt, I know what you're getting at

can una get some more votes? I might have a hard or soft guilty

[Eddie Cane]

Can you elaborate?

I would rather not.

[Eddie Cane]

[Eddie Cane]

I claim mafia

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not a jk, there can't be 2 jks and assemble already claimed it un ccd

[Eddie Cane]

speaking of townreading mulch... sup kmd

[Eddie Cane]

Also, don't put me in a position where scum can quickhammer me.
There are def. enough townies who already might push for me, so scum would have no trouble pushing for me.

you are at L-6. pfft.

Sure, but while you guys approach prime posting time, I'm going to sauna and sleep.
Also this game has some people I dont trust NOT to lolhammer me, even if they are town.
No need for us to throw the game after such a good D1.

how would lynching you be throwing the game even if you're town?

[Eddie Cane]

it's okay chara eddies here to obv town and take care of you

[Eddie Cane]

If unas claiming he has no night action it should be a guilty maybe. Cabd is annoying me with his sorting bullshit though so idrc if you pursue that first.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Unabomeh
I stand with Eddie cane.

That would be my presidential slogan

I should run for MS President

[Eddie Cane]

It's the kind of guilty that he could claim out of if he knew what it was. Think Vanilla cop, Neapolitan, Tracker, ETC. Or maybe I am a jk and there was no kill last nighy.

and no, because FN is a completely different category of role. doesn't matter to me.

[Eddie Cane]

My claim will bring complications, but I'll do it if requested.
Eddies guilty can't be a guilty, if that makes any sense.

I thought my guilty was a gambit?

[Eddie Cane]

Cheet
Kagami
Ginngie
Spiffeh
Patrick
Implosion
Chara
Tor
KMD
Cabd
Fire
Ari
Una


town to scum

I think I was told to be more sketch of ginngie but this list stands. bad townreads of mulch are all at the bottom coincidence?

[Eddie Cane]

that's no way to speak to your president

[Eddie Cane]

I'm forcing a claim. fuck you rc. :*

[Eddie Cane]

(love you babe but una is just scum)

[Eddie Cane]

but, if you really want

una, just claim vt or not vt. that will suffice.

[Eddie Cane]

una, just claim vt or not vt. that will suffice.

I already did above.
Explicitly Not VT

okay, you pass for now. still think you're scum but I /don't/ have a guilty here.

VOTE: ari

cabd wagon is good

[Eddie Cane]

also, I'm going to case una when I got home. I guess the team is ari/cabd or fire/una then?

[Eddie Cane]

and fire, rc needs to give way more for me to entertain voting chara anytime soon

[Eddie Cane]

I'll be gone all day btw probably my last post

still think una scum

don't quicklynch cabd if he doesn't claim fn target I have stuff to say before night

not really cheet, I'll expand more later.

[Eddie Cane]

Is it actually Ari/Cabd/Mulch?
Is it actually that easy?

lynching mulch was a lot of things but easy isn't one

[Eddie Cane]

una and cabd I'll comment more after work I'm typing at a red light rn lmao

[Eddie Cane]

heu

[Eddie Cane]

heallo i am home

[Eddie Cane]

sure it's common sense, but a night 1 kill isn't just "take out confirmed town". there are other utilities of the scum kill besides removing an IC. taking out a strong town voice makes more sense. even if confirmed town, how much sway does Cabd have in the game?

That's one of many strategies, yes. So is killing confirmed town before they get confirmed.

___________

Mathdino says:
-he hasn't even analyzed since the flips and will give better reads later

-Almost50, RC, Eddie, and Bins should be able to back him up on Cabd being town by team composition even though his play is scummy. Tora, Firebringer, and Implosion should ask them. He's surprised Cheet doesn't see it.

-Tora is town by team composition

-Most of his reads come from about Page 60 when he was telling me to just lynch Mulch.

-when he's scum, confirmed townies are his priority NKs.

As expressed, MathDino's thought process is something I find dumb when it comes to composition reads, its basing it on odds when on the big scale it's entirely possible multiple teams rolled 2-4 scum pms. I think Cabd could be town for ... different reasons, but he's also pinged me a lot.

Firebringer,
Mathdino says cabd is town because he believes the claim but he understands the need to Lynch him. I'm less sure of the claim myself mostly because I'm not sure scum would shoot him but Mathdino says it makes sense to shoot someone who is about to be confirmed and who they can't block and I can't say I fully disagree with that. I think I'm leaning town pending scum's kill being stopped some other way.

He says unabomb and Aris are still town. I agree on Aris. Unabomb I want Eddie's thing sorted but I have a guess what unabomb is going to claim and I don't trust it.

He's got Eddie as cleared by the flip. I mostly agree. I'm not seeing Eddie scum anymore.

He's got ginngie also town. I had the same read Day 1 but mulch's flip makes me less sure.

He says don't rule out Kagami. Scum can be counterwagons to scum. I don't personally think that's the case here though. If Kagami is scum, his entire day 1 was hard bus mulch.

He's not sure on scum without intense reading and says sheep Ginngie.

I also have cheet as obvtown and Chara likely town. Tora obvtown.

Could see either way on anyone else.

Haven't gotten recent reads from North, Dave, or guiltylion. Will ask in PT.

kagami isn't scum. i'm aware scum can bus, but this wasn't that. he is the only player besides our hydra that scumread mulch at first, and before i subbed in he was the bastion of sanity the thread needed to not just lynch transcend. also, show me why tor is obvtown please for shits n giggles.

“If I am wrong on one of those it’s implosion

Also I think there’s quite a bit of scum equity in Eddie slot that people aren’t considering”
-Cow

again, literal lmfao

I'm now going to sleep, but I'm very much interested in Eddie's theory on scum!Una.

The best thing about all of this is that I was willing to townlock Eddie after Assemble flipped red, but the way he entered this day made me question his motives again..!
So especially this game-day, I can say that Eddie re-created his own pet-peeve - paranoid!Una.

i'll probably be casing you when i'm done this post, don't worry. if you seriously think i'm scum with mulch then i literally laugh at you.

Can people unvote to ensure that Eddie Cane can say all of his words?

i appreciate you and Patrick (too lazy to go quote him) btw! I will be posting after this, but I'm not going to claim a guilty on anyone or anything, just felt like posting some shtuff.

Cabd's friendly neighbour claim that no one really believed? yes, definitely, scum would nightkill that.

i mean, from a scum pov if cabd is town then they would "know" it was true, and with their roleblocker eddie'd they couldn't do anything about it. its not a likely nor a good kill, but its a potentially possible one. it isnt a ridiculous notion. though, myself and Kagami are basically ICs at this point so that kinda makes it redundant, its not like this is a game where there's no clear town and low info kills are useful.

Ya'll are prolly gonna mislynch me for my gambit working, whatever.

I'm actually bulletproof; fake softed then fake-harded friendly neighbor to draw the nightkill; we ended up on day two with a scum lynch (despite my poor read thereof) and no night kill, so yeah.

Anyone who thinks I willingly signed up to be scum with mulch's team is like.. beyond insane given the history between him and I.

i believed this at first but someone said you don't know your teammates until after you pick pms? which is it? cause if you pick scum pms after seeing the team then i actually buy this. otherwise, considering one of your teammates flipped scum, i find it very disingenuous seeing as you'd know how picking scum works regardless...

And unabomeh he says ur just obv town and didn’t pick up on crumbs

Ok, townbinning you.

lmfao

Rc says he can’t talk about chara because he is factoring teams composition into it
And unabomeh he says ur just obv town and didn’t pick up on crumbs

you can talk about some parts of this, he can at least hint what he's getting at

Rc says unabomeh is obv Town

Can you ask RC to go any more in depth?
Does he know I've been crumbing my role all game?

I also think that Eddie should humor me, since I'm willing to humor him:

@EDDIE - ASSUME I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE - WHO DO I CHECK N1?

... if its watcher me or kagami, if its something targeting a scumread ... a scumread? lol. and ftr, if you've crumbed i haven't noticed it. have not gone back in your iso to crumbhunt as of now.

Ya'll are prolly gonna mislynch me for my gambit working, whatever.

You really think you were the nightkill?

P-Edit: You pick a rolePM, not a team composition.

egos are a powerful thing.

[Eddie Cane]

pagetop! who's ready for some good ol' fashioned CASES

[Eddie Cane]

Cabd

Would like to sort Kagami and then power through the game if they're town, and powerlynch them day one otherwise.

Can you talk about why you're just saying you want to do this instead of just doing it?

Kagami has literally six posts. it's an invite to dance.

This wouldn't be my normal approach but see the whole "i want to rip my hair out at some of the player list and regret everything" part. I need a rock or two.

You wanted to power through the game? Really? You've actively given 0 content since this post lmao

I've played with mulch as asshole-scum. I'm saying there's a specific nuance to it this game that makes me think this isn't the same mulch from that normal game.

I'm doing my best not to just ragequit when proven false things are used here and elsewhere to once again drag my name through the mud and people literally break the rule about bringing in out of game grudges but here we fucking are, folks.

Please compare mulch hater-boner to me in THIS game: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73108

to his ISO here. It's different enough to earn that read from me.

garbage townread on a scum slot. Kappa

Ya'll are prolly gonna mislynch me for my gambit working, whatever.

I'm actually bulletproof; fake softed then fake-harded friendly neighbor to draw the nightkill; we ended up on day two with a scum lynch (despite my poor read thereof) and no night kill, so yeah.

Anyone who thinks I willingly signed up to be scum with mulch's team is like.. beyond insane given the history between him and I.

Yknow what? I was going to townread you. I know you're a gambitty player, I know you've been doing this useless lurking shit meta since 2014. I knew FN was a gambit because you kept refusing to commit to it, and that's fine. But, here's the thing. If it's true scum didn't know their teammates when picking their role pms, this is a load of horse shit. The person who said that already has a flipped scum teammate iirc so I buy it. Using that as a defense is directly manipulative because you wouldn't have known you were signing up to be scum with Mulch... remember earlier you said you didn't even know who was in this tour because LLD begged you to join her team? And, LLD flipping scum means you weren't a 0-scum-pm team, so I don't get Math's insistence that you're town by global reads. If it ends up being true scum knew their teammates when picking PMs, I will probably call you town. Otherwise, I'm way too hesitant. And, the gambit isn't why I was lynching you FTR. It's because you've done absolutely 0 productive things all game. You ended up in a game with two people you despise supposedly (Mulch RC), and didn't swap out, and RC left you. You haven't just been relatively low in content, you've done next to nothing in a hundred page game. This is not excusable by lol f Mulch. Even today, you've done nothing productive besides soft uselessly and then hard claim. You are a good player supposedly, I don't think I can ascribe any town motivation to how useless you've been -

especially

as bulletproof, when your job is to obv town and attract the NK. I really, really, really wanted to come in here and shout down your lynch and initially I was considering that; then I thought of the stuff I've already said but also: if you hypothetically rolled scum with Mulch, that sure would be a motivation killer! A player you hate, and you're supposed to endgame with him and communicate all day? That sure would be a reason to lurk out the game and prod dodge continuously. Dunno man, even now that Mulch is lynched you're still not giving reads or doing anything not self involved.

I want your reads, thoughts, and anything LLamarble may have said about this game if you're town within 24 hours Cabd. This isn't meant to be an ultimatum nor a threat; it's at that point I will give up trying to consider you town and I'll just vote you and let your lynch happen. I would say I'm 60/40 on you being scum at this point, so it better be good.

[Eddie Cane]

To be clear, that's me saying I am not okay with lynching Cabd for 24 hours. I'm not a player who believes in using full 2 week days; I actually support lynching quickly a lot of the time because long apathetic days are awful. But, there's more to be done this day phase the game isn't solved just yet.

[Eddie Cane]

snip
town to scum

I think I was told to be more sketch of ginngie but this list stands. bad townreads of mulch are all at the bottom coincidence?

Cheet
Kagami
Patrick
Spiffeh
Implosion
Chara
Ginngie
Tor
KMD
Cabd
Fire
Una
Ari


This is now recent. If anyone (hi RC) wants to argue why Toranaga or higher is scum, please do, because I hard townread all of them. Suppose I should knock Implosion down too, maybe I'll have time to ISO him and consider.

[Eddie Cane]

lol I was about to case Una and I decided he's town

[Eddie Cane]

Okay, Cabd knew the team he was playing but not the rep because I have been informed by a certain ethereal object that there are sample role pms in the OP including a scum one containing the teammates. Hng. Maybe that makes Cabd town...?

[Eddie Cane]

Cabd why did u choose this game knowing rc said he would play a normal?

I didn't read any of the pregame threads. I didn't read any of the signup or hype threads. I was begged by LLD to fill in on her team, jumped in mostly blind, and picked a game that looked interesting.

So how was I to know RC wanted to play a normal. Of which there are two, by the way.

....Except that this is him claiming he didn't look at the playerlists and therefore teams x and y? Fuck yo this is confusing

[Eddie Cane]

also, show me why tor is obvtown please for shits n giggles.

I can't without breaking rules. Why is Patrick so high on your reads list?

Everything he says makes sense, I believe him when he says he would never take scum in a million years, I have absolutely no reason to scumread him except for not scumreading Mulch which was virtually everyone ITG besides Kagami before I subbed in

[Eddie Cane]

Fuck it, casing

una

anyways for people to interpret.

I think mulch is so high on coke or just spasming from excitement, that it's hard to accurately tell whether his rambling has been AI.
Because I think this has been SO HYPER, even from him, it actually might be AI.
Firebringer might be town just because RC replaced out (I think scum!RC would've seen some easy prey in this game).
I like you so far.
Chara and Spiffeh are ??? to me.

Some early Fire/Una equity, #preflips. Not really relevant to my read just a thing. Why would you say it might be AI and not say which alignment it's indicative of?

Cheetory6 is cute for thinking I might be scum.
Trans is garbage-town if he thinks my vote on Tor was anything but a joke.

garbage-town is an interesting choice of words.

i feel like una's a player i could soul read

Every time I read Una I get the opposite alignment to what he actually is

It's because I'm bad at town -> I get scumread, I'm OK as scum -> I get townread.

okay but i really really REALLY do not want anyone to use meta from this competition to base their reads on this game

it's just fucking stupid.

Well...yea and no.
I think it is clear to anyone who has seen me play, that I was given a townslot in a game like this.
Like, I understand the possibility of WIFOM and all that, but my team wouldn't trust me with anything significant when potentially playing against people who "know me" - like you, RC or mulch.
And then we have all the fantastic scumhunters who just know I'm a nubscrub who is always drenched in paranoia and bad gutreads so..
No scumroles for me!

You explained why you'd never get a scum role and then proceeded to say you only get townread as scum ?_?

Don't know why, but I somehow townread the fact that Spiffeh already reposted his question to me.
Like, he REALLY wants an answer.

Well yes, because generally flat out ignoring questions is considered scummy

I'm just fairly certain mulch is town. I'm not trusting any of their reads for now, but they are town.

Transcends list likely has all town in 1.-6.

Boon has a gutfeel on Ari being scum, and I can actually concur there. It hasn't been long since Ari was scum in a game (with Boon and Chill, both in my team), and I sort of feel this is similar to that.
My current top-candidates for a lynch today are Aristophanes and Kmd4390.
Cabd is maybe the one slot I'm MOST CONFLICTED ON, Ginngie a close second.

Tbh, I think I'm getting to the point where I'm going to declare Ari and Una badT v badS. Nice Mulch hard townread, nice waffle on Cabd.

didn't kknow mulch's scumfuck ass was capable of having 11 town's heads up it

I mean..he is such an obvious town..

I like eddie.
I still remember the first time he called me a dumbass.

Also I think I'm starting to lean fire scum

I like where this is going.
I woke up this morning seriously wondering why Fire is town, and what his actual contributions have been..! (don't know what kind of dreams I've been having.. )

You really do type weird mate.

But yeah Mathdino says OMGUS is something town-you does and it seems like your reads are based entirely on that despite what you say.

I'm actually becoming fairly certain that A) Mathdino didn't say this, and B) if he did, he was wrong.

My reads are not based on OMGUS - they are based on interactions and whether something is fake or not.

...you do OMGUS as town? you did it to me in penguin mafia and townread me reflexively in apartment? and why on earth would he make up a teammate saying something rofl

That's also why I want unabombah to ask Boon what his read is - Boon has most of the same experience with you I do. If I'm wrong, Boon should have you as town (assuming Una isn't scum). As it stands though, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum.

Boon called mulch town from the start, I can ask for an update if you want.

Just here for reference, I'll come back to this later.

your above post said nothing with 3 paragraphs - do you tr or sr my slot it was unclear

I've scumread Trans ever since he kept pushing mulch over the limit.
I feel like it was him abusing the fact that mulch easily self-destructs, even as town.

You can go check my ISO - I tried to deliberately avoid calling Trans town OR scum, because I wanted him to feel he has me in his pocket.
I then tried to actively analyze him and look for potential associations, just in case we might actually get his lynch through today.

You have said nothing I scumread yet, but then again, I think you are one of those players I could never hope to catch!

You called Transcend town a couple times. You didn't do a very good job of avoiding to give a read.

Okay, making a reads list isn't actually working. Cheet, Ginngie, Cabd are town. Mulch schum or if you're generous null.

Una is probably around there too, their paranoia is bad because they have a team now.

My reads are still my own.
Only if my whole team yells at me for disagreeing and me being a dumbass, will I admit to paranoia..

That leaves Chara/KMD/Kagami/Patrick/Implosion/Ari/Fire/Mulch/Una as a scum pool. Fuck me up. I mean, the game could be solved if Cabd faked his FN claim, Boon let Una pick scum and didn't coach him better, and Mulch decided to fake some weird shit with cabd while pocketing tor..... lol. Otherwise, I hate this game. Guess this post is gonna take me a bit longer than 15 minutes because I'm well aware how scummy it is to be this indecisive and have this many town leans.... so l ets break 'em down. Again, this is from memory. I did not leave this post preview while typing this. sorry if anything is wrong.

This honestly feels like scum!Eddie..

I would probably scumread the above post because I barely took any stances, but like, this game is hard lol...........

I'm not editing the above I wrote At least we know Eddie is aware of it.

The point of paranoia in this context is that you can't talk it out. You have a team to talk it out.

I'm feeling less certain about mulch/eddie being t/t now.

I think we still might make a mistake if we don't lynch one of them..

What specifically makes you think it's no longer TvT?

I think I already commented on this, but it just feels weird..the interaction between them I mean.
One or both of them are trying to force something, and I'm not sure which one of them holds the scum-agenda.

One other example that comes to mind: mulch calling Trans' hunt on him something like an ambitious attempt at glory (nailing scum!mulch D1),while he also openly admits to being lynched a bunch D1.
I'm fairly certain there are times where he has flipped scum D1 too.

I also feel like Eddie might be playing his scum-game.
I love to be the center of my own analysis, but for example - town!Eddie has no reason to be "suspicious" about me.
He knows how low my play actually is ( ), and town!Eddie would either call me straight out as scum, or townbin me "for now".
Scum!Eddie likes to keep his options open, and tease the idea that I COULD be lynched D1.

This isn't remotely true. Thank u.

Oh look! A read progression! Now I have a hero complex and lynching the legendary Mulch will help me achieve my dreams of becoming a Pokemon Scumhunting Master

This is exactly what you are trying to do.


At this point I'm convinced your not scum.


UNVOTE: Eddie

This is the point in the game where I find real scum while you tunnel on me with visions of power and the results show post-game.

VOTE: Kagami

Somehow I also scumread this..
I feel like town!mulch wouldn't care about appearances and would just OMGUS Eddie till twilight.

Actually, I don't really think Una is scum atp. Casing is fun! You learn something new every day.

OK, end of the spamline:

Solid-ish Townreads:

Patrick, Cheetory6, Chara

Townleans:

Spiffeh, implosion, Firebringer

Waffle-line:

Ginngie, Toranaga, Kmd4390

Scumleans:

Aristophanes, Kagami, Cabd

Scumreads:

Mulch-slot, Eddie Cane

DISCLAIMER:

I absolutely hate saying anyone is "NULL" at this point of the game anymore, therefore I have that waffle-line for slots I'm having most trouble with. Almost all of those slots are either A) posting too little ACTUAL CONTENT for me to be confident in my ability to read them or B) providing good content I townread, but then posting things I scumread, and effectively muddying it up.

On Eddie/mulch - I do not care how much Eddie (or anyone else) bashes me for putting him down there, but I'm trying to be honest and open with my read on the slot at the moment. One reason that slot is still in there, is because of how Trans approached the game. While Eddie has been salvaging the slot immensely, I still think Trans was scum, and therefore Eddie is playing VERY WELL, but on a scum-slot. (I feel dirty for writing scum-slot, I might have a dirty mind )

Toranaga WOULD BE a townlean for me, but his waffling on mulch confused me immensely.
One of the main reasons why I want a flip from mulch/Eddie is for me to maybe be able to sort Tor too.

Kmd I initially scumread, but their content has been generally good. They will most likely rise above or fall below by the time they make their next bigger post.

Ginngie is not as adorable as I thought she might be. She is one of the three slots in this game that would benefit IMMENSELY from just spamming game-related content. She would likely either towntell, or be scummy in my eyes very quickly.

The other two slots that I just need to see more from (in terms of quantity) are Cabd and Ari. If they are town, all they need to do is spam content, and I'm almost certain I'm able to sort them too. (I understand IRL can be hard, it has been for me too, but that is the only way I can confidently sort them)

K, thx bai.

...but I find it really hard to believe he has a reads list this bad. he's sheeping my vote, sheeping my lynch solution, and i'm one of his two scum reads? does.not.compute

una; has boon read the game, and if not did you at least tell him my request ; what was his reply if so. paraphrase obviously.

AFAIK he isn't up to speed.
I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say, so I won't say anything exact yet, but let's just say that one member of our team has been so occupied with IRL, that it has moved priority focus from our whole team there.

If/when he has time, I'm sure he will give his words on you.
But I don't think you need his "input" to sort me, and his input will not lock you as town to me either.
I'll need to arrive to that conclusion myself.

I've actually been planning to re-read your posts from The Apartment during this games night.
Maybe I can actually use that to sort you more confidently, who knows.
And when it comes to me - I'm REALLY going to be an obv.townie D2/D3. (No need to jump to conclusions - I'm not claiming to have any power as of now )
I'm always feeling better and more comfortable as the game progresses.

And, we finally get to this. I ask for his thoughts a LONG time ago and this is all you give me.

I don't want him to help me sort you, that wouldn't help me period. I want him to help me sort mulch, and to help YOU sort ME as a secondary effect. You are allowed to say if a member of your team is busy, Tchill is being replaced that's public knowledge (viewtopic.php?p=9921831#p9921831) & you could say if another member was busy.

But, you didn't answer if you told him my request 30-40 pages ago when I asked you to, and the second time I did. Also, go read the apartment if you want, it's a waste of time but if you have nothing better to do :shrug:.

I say a perfectly reasonable post that's positive in tone and message, and you reply with

No need to be annoyed with me, doesn't change anything.

...which just seems like deflecting to me. I cannot comprehend how your conclusion from my reply was that I was annoyed with you and how it makes sense for you to avoid my question yet again.

I don't want him to help me sort you, that wouldn't help me period. I want him to help me sort mulch, and to help YOU sort ME as a secondary effect. You are allowed to say if a member of your team is busy, Tchill is being replaced that's public knowledge (viewtopic.php?p=9921831#p9921831) & you could say if another member was busy.

But, you didn't answer if you told him my request 30-40 pages ago when I asked you to, and the second time I did. Also, go read the apartment if you want, it's a waste of time but if you have nothing better to do :shrug:.

No need to be annoyed with me, doesn't change anything.

Thank you for finally replying;

where do you get "annoyed with you" in 2560? I was perfectly pleasant and charming. Some say dashing. I am annoyed with ou AFTER, because it took 3 posts to get you to answer a yes or no question that has very little alignment bearing.

Boon was also the one who toneread Ari as scum based on his entrance, unlike almost everyone else (apparently) in this game.

I said the same thing :shrug:

He now said he will try to find time for this game too, not going to pressure him for it. I bet our other games are easier to keep up with and help anyway.

thank you.

And, of course, you never clarify where you got an "annoyed" vibe. I am probably blowing this out of proportion but I despise being ignored on simple thinks.




-

Finished skimming the ISO. Gonna call uNA town now very hesitantly. I think I'll do fire or kmd next. Also, for those who don't get it, I'm not casing for alignments, I'm casing what's influencing my read that is tangible and hoping people reply to this and either change their reads or help me change mine. Gut is a huge part of reading, but there's tangible stuff too.

[Eddie Cane]

someone talk to me

by someone i mostly mean kagami and cheet but anyone is /ok/ ig