Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

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VOTE: Brafin
Lynch all geese!

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UNVOTE: sorry comrade

VOTE: Beefster

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InfBra ur my new fav

Math why wagon Paradox?

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VOTE: Paradox
Sounds sheepworthy

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Can +1 Math differentiates very effectively between scummy behaviour and likelihood to be scum.

Dude won my first town game here (we were both townies and survived) basically entirely because of townblocking his #1 'independent scumread' in LyLo, which PoE'd the scumteam for us.

Inferno/JB what level of experience do both of you have?

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I love being scumread as any alignment

Inferno do you agree that some players have meta that makes them seem scummy regardless of alignment?

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If a player made like 75% scummy sounding posts and 25% Townie sounding posts how would you define them?

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Beef!!

How are you reading Math so far?

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Inferno:

I would define them as "not very good at playing mafia."

l0l

You are actually probably scum.

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> ignores 90% of post
> isnt the one with semantics

sry?

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I am looking forward to your next post, Inferno.

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@Ico some of that I can answer, some of it I can't yet. I'll get back to you asap.

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actually eeehhh

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ur a vry scary dragon Ico

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so early argument I wasn't crazy about the idea of scum!Inferno. it's really easy to see him doing scummy things but I was trying to gauge his actual motivation for getting involved in such a stupid semantic fight with such a confident player so early in the game.

it's actually shit being called scummy / scumread by someone as assertive as Math this early in the game. treat my questions as an attempt to poke and prod Inferno for some semblance of towniness.

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tbh though by the end of the argument he feels so... phoney. like, he's clearly realised he's wrong but it feels like he's still going to win some moral high ground or something.

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VOTE: the worst

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Do you disagree or just want to see my thinking?
I'm lazy

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Phakeness incoming

everyone voting me is doing something anti-town because i am town

Inferno:

This I know is a fallacy, because it assumes you as town. I can't find the page on the wiki right now though, which is annoying.

I'm not the one with scemantics. You are using a word in a way that is misleading, and now calling me scummy because I've been misled.

This is proper sloppy arguing. He's no longer trying go make his case, he's going after sometbing math said hyperbolically and poking holes in it. When I called him out on ignoring the post he comes back with this

Inferno:

Give me a sec, Worst, I'll get to the post piece by piece.

Then obviously goes to reread, realises he's been arguing a bad point and ends on a weak semantic note asking "which definition" Math was using. I'm pretty sure it was abundantly obvious at this point what math was on about

Inferno:

Honestly though, there's not much else I can say about post #82 except that by Dino's definition, he would call those things scummy because they would get scumreads, but at the same time says that those actions are not scummy.
What definition are you using, exactly, Dino?

To me it seems obvious by this point he knows he's wrong. He's just going over semantic crap trying to save face.

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I can whinge about nearly all of his posts if you want. Tbh I'm not sure if I don't like him cause he's scum trying to discredit obvtown reads or don't like him cause his debating skills suck and he's trying to wing it anyway.

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Fair critique.

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Shit I'm sorry to hear that Kthxbye :/ I hope you and your family are doing okay.

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He's pretty good, XO TOUR Llif3 is super catchy.

So far meeehhh. The swinging by asking questions earlier pinged me a little but his reaction to Beef felt legit. I kinda want more to sort him.

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Sober me is still 99% sure Inferno either forgot what he was arguing about or realised he was wrong and kept going anyway. James reads fine to me but like, NAI+nice fine, not heaps towny fine :/

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UGH so true. That result was dumb.

Good question tbh. I forgot about my vote, should've done this yesterday.
VOTE: Inferno

L-2

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Icomeum is obvtown.
Beefster has got to be town by that though, becasue his exchange with Iconeum at his entry olny makes sense as SvS or TvT.

Talk me through these points?

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Give me a read that will rock my world

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Yeah tbh I'm nervous Inferno feels alignment informed. It's like he's trying to assign weak reasoning to why the obvious townreads are town and doesn't wanna focus on anyone else.

The argument structure is probably NAI but on reflection I'm feeling stronger about this. I can easily see the two heads' play (Inferno playing confident, James rolling with him while trying to appear towny) as coming from scum.

I'm not liking Bu either but coming out with that "Bu and Math scumteam" theory just rubs me the wrong way.

Mostly gut here BUT I think one of Inferno & Bu are scum.

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Give me a read that will rock my world

Infernoooooooooooo

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Who do you think is most likely to be scum and why Ico?

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Do you find the progression of his Math read scummy? - does it come from scum?

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In post 196, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:
wut
the heck
Brafin, you're gathering information on your own partner's read?
I do not agree on Beef.

Question, and this goes back to my (no pun-intended) beef with hydras. How is anyone expected to read your slot if you are offering up conflicting reads that we can't call scummy because they came from two different people?

Considering the progression I'm sticking with my scumread. If anything the hydraness has made it worse for me.

> one head presents as scum
> we call it out
> head suddenly ejects from conversation
> other head acts towny

I need to go through the posts since I went to sleep but I can see scum-hydra here easily.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urband ... m&amp=true

Mom

The woman who loves you unconditionally from birth, the one who puts her kids before herself and the one who you can always count on above everyone else.

Just telling her your problems makes you feel better because mom's always know how to make it all go away.

Even if you fight, know that she's just looking out for your best interests.
Where would you be without your mom?

Awwww and we love you back Mom

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Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:
I prefer to not answer that question at this time.

Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?

Does it bother you that he didn't answer me? Why/why not?

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Mathdino is town. I will literally quit mafiascum if math is scum here.
Effortpost tommorrow, too tired today.

I MISSED THIS
It feels like the probability of town saying this so confidently is pretty low. Other than that though I like Paradox so treat this as a FOS

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Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:
I prefer to not answer that question at this time.

Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?

Does it bother you that he didn't answer me? Why/why not?

Inferno:

Yeah. The way he did it makes me feel like he's avoiding something. But the way you responded to him earlier also makes me feel like you were avoiding something.

Which response of mine did you have questions about? genuinely not sure.

More interestingly: Ico was definitely avoiding something. Do you think that was town motivated or scum motivated?

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sup math
I thought you were obvjester?

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oh really??!?!! history repeats itself!

v00te: methdoona

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nvm forgot how jesters work

unv00te

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Half asleepy wording. More accurately I don't DISLIKE anything else he's said before the soft scumslip.

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ftr Inferno disappearing every time I try to engage with him is eeehhh

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I've got pretty much nothing to contribute and haven't been on much this weekend. will try and be less useless during the week and so forth.

It sure sounds like he's talking to IB.

Don't lynch cuz probtown: {Beefster, acryon, the worst, Iconeum, Gamma}

Gamma is obvscum come on

otherwise I don't mind this town block, particularly for D1. Energy from Beef is the same as last time I played with him, sans lurkiness (he was a town PR). I'll +1 his meta self-defence....and for once won't complain about meta self defences

PK FFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRREE

correct way to enter this game

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Just like quickly caught up. Still processing everything a little but gut says
VOTE: Carrot and Stick

Replacing in like 9-10 days out from deadline, attempting to sweepingly discredit nearly the entire player list for being "morons" then War and Peace-casing the fuck out of the player who has BY FAR been the most proactive pre-replacements is nuts.

This feels like a ploy to win towncred/town leader position and not an active scumhunt.

Just need to decide for myself whether this play is too poor for scum!C&S honestly


P.S. my duck cuz is reading town to me. Still liking inferno less but this slot is more nullish/nulltown I think.

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Sup

I worked about 12 hours today and I'm zonked. Got no chance of navigating the hyperactivity of the last few pages intelligently tonight.

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UNVOTE:
1. Mastina feels towny.
2. If this is scum!Mastina I need to think a LOT deeper.

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VOTE: Iconeum

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I agree with that, I think my natural bias against authoritarian figures reacted poorly to C&S' opening. I don't feel comfortable sorting Math or C&S today either but I think maybe both town maybe?

Why does it need more traction?



pedit: A50 too quick lemme read that

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Ah. Great minds

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I'm entirely unsatisfied with acryon's response to me in about 5 different ways.

If anyone actually gives a shit about why, I'll explain it in full.

I'm very interested

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Ok suggesting it's unreasonable for me to change my mind on Mastina between 385 and 606 is ridiculous. I explained my read change. I'm not into wall posting, I'm here to have fun not to get RSI and make your eyes bleed.

It's pinging me how youre kinda jumping into conversations and asking apparently pointless questions, making odd suggestions & not following through on them and generally agreeing with the tone of the game. Honestly the issue I have rn is the behaviours which are pinging me from you are what I do as scum.

Also using "omgus voting" as a threat is deeply invalid. What's your read on me exactly?

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Just going on the record to say. Unless something extremely sheepable kicks down a few doors I can't see myself voting Math or C&S today.

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It's actually tingling me tho and I'd rather talk this through now than closer to phase end. :/ Ico even though you're unlikely to be wagoned, I do expect an answer.

I think I need a vote count.... Far too lazy to keep up with this many players

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I don't want to make a big post. I'm super exhausted this week and the effort involved far exceeds what anyone would gain from it. it is just a niggling vibe I'm getting and I'm starting to think might boil down to playstyle.

fyi, big posts aren't my style.
they are shitful to write, annoying to read and sometimes convincing.

on that note: I am not heavily scumreading you as of this post and don't plan to tunnel too hard here.

Just like quickly caught up. Still processing everything a little but gut says
VOTE: Carrot and Stick

Replacing in like 9-10 days out from deadline, attempting to sweepingly discredit nearly the entire player list for being "morons" then War and Peace-casing the fuck out of the player who has BY FAR been the most proactive pre-replacements is nuts.

This feels like a ploy to win towncred/town leader position and not an active scumhunt.

Just need to decide for myself whether this play is too poor for scum!C&S honestly


P.S. my duck cuz is reading town to me. Still liking inferno less but this slot is more nullish/nulltown I think.

UNVOTE:
1. Mastina feels towny.
2. If this is scum!Mastina I need to think a LOT deeper.

VOTE: Iconeum

@the worst, you made no posts between these quotes, so it's a strange thought process to follow. What made you change your gut feeling about carrot?
Would you care to elaborate your vote on me, before I omgus you? Care to join in on the actual discussion instead of being silly?

can you talk me through your intent & what was going through your mind when you made this post?





outside of questioning you I have a couple of issues buzzing around my head which I'll be considering (preferably) after the next vote count.

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you're not at the top of my scumlist, what makes you think that?

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sorry got called away. I'll try and explain

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so I'm not voting you because I think you're the most likely player to be scum. I also just pointed out I don't intend to tunnel here.

is it easier to think of it as a reaction test? that's not perfect wording but it's closer to my intent

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I've been struggling to sort your slot and it seems like most of the rest of the playerbase has strong reads on you

so sorting you feels pretty important rn

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UNVOTE:
I'm happy with this

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I wanna see the case first if that's cool.

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I don't love acryon either but something about this wagon feels off
can't put my finger on it yet (part of the reason I'm slacking til the next VC)

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and if something feels off about the wagon, it's probably mastina's ego lol

nearly choked on my coffee

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so you're acryon's buddy bussing him right?

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recruit me tonight ok?


I'll admit I haven't lensed that hard but my mind is going in a similar direction
main issue... is this flailing scum or mislynch bait?

so far no individual person on the wagon has pinged me as scummy but the wagon itself has. it's been so unresisted it's eerie.

intent to vote acryon to L-1 if I don't get evil agenda pings from people on the wagon after the next VC

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what the fuck

for real?

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Does this lock voting to Math/Ico only or can you still be voted acryon?

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I think we're better off waiting for a vc for acryon as he could be L-2 still.

THIS IS A UTILITY VOTE ONLY. I'll rethink the game state upon mod comment. VOTE: Iconeum

pedit: Ico we need to see what happens if we vote one of you/Math + acryon. Atm Math & acryon are much closer to lynch than you so you are mechanically the better of the 3 to test vote. Very tiny chance of being speedlynched.

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For full-disclosure, here is a full list:
Town
Almost50
the worst
Carrot & Stick

Lean-town
Not_Mafia
InfernoBrafin (James Brafin + Inferno390)
Momrangal

Null
Kthxbye
Mathdino

Lean-scum
TheGoldenParadox
Iconeum
BuJaber

Scum
Beefster

Can you talk me through how you got from here to selecting these two players? Do you think they're scum together?

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why the hell are you voting me again? i'm seriously considering casing you at this point

I think we're better off waiting for a vc for acryon as he could be L-2 still.

THIS IS A UTILITY VOTE ONLY. I'll rethink the game state upon mod comment. VOTE: Iconeum

pedit: Ico we need to see what happens if we vote one of you/Math + acryon. Atm Math & acryon are much closer to lynch than you so you are mechanically the better of the 3 to test vote. Very tiny chance of being speedlynched.

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UNVOTE: Math's vote works. More thought through vote will be next.

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Ico should probably claim. Role madness is kinda almost impossible to read correctly and role utility is a big factor here.

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Hey Gamma has anyones vote been nullified?

I do not understand the question.

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VOTE: mathdino

I claim bodyguard. My alignment is sorted by the nightkill, as I've stated time and time again. I alluded to my end of day reads lost which I was gonna use to crumb my target. If anyone seriously questions this, I can go find more allusions, but I didn't breadcrumb because I literally just need to stop a kill to prove myself.

A50 is gonna fuckin love this one.

I was gonna protect Iconeum. Real nice call, acryon.
VOTE: Iconeum
Town, but not me, and I think I have more to offer town late game on account of experience and role.

only current votes actually I think

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Don't think gladiator usually allows a no lynch. :/ at least it didn't on the forum I used to play on.

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VOTE: NO LYNCH

Currently feeling this. Good call ... James?

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This role very strongly suggests acryon is town :/

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@kthx

Spoiler: not game related

Welcome back dude. I hope everything is calming down for you IRL I wouldn't wish your situation on my worst enemy

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I'll get back to you on 759 later

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Beefy which way are you thinking of voting?

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If my meta read holds any weight I'd be way more worried about Beef if he wasn't flip flopping d1

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Mom could you quote my post which confused you? I might have derped on terminology maybe but I think we're on a different page

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Fwiw I read it as

1) if Math flips town AND
2) if acryon is town AND
3) if mastina does not catch scum

then Mastina is probably scum?

I don't think the comment was around acryon's alignment

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Mastina, that flowchart provided no clarity on your alignment but was an absolute treat to read.

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Oh for sure, self meta should never be relied on exclusively for deciding alignment imo it's just sometimes a prompt to reconsider how you read a player. Extensive self meta is 100% WIFOM and open to too much interpretation mastina's was just well written and enjoyable to read.

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mastina's was just well written and enjoyable to read.

if you encourage mastina again i'm labeling you as the worst of the policy lynchpool

I feel oppressed.
Is this a title or my actual policy lynchpool position?

Bc like "of the policy lynchpool" is a beautiful title

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Caught up. N_M do you think Ico is scum?

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Ok the mini 1993 mastina fabclub will reconvene post-game. Sooooorry

Also this game number is my birth year!

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He also expressed a Math TR, Ico SR then voted No Lynch instantly

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Was kinda hoping to engage his slot a bit more before laying all this out but w/e

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Mastiiiina

Do you think a scum gladiatoriser makes sense with the notion that town can Opt to no lynch?

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I was kinda feeling the opposite

Does it make sense for scum to have a "one shot public day vig" which can be nullified?

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That question goes nowhere, the worst. The option to no lynch while gladiate is in effect makes equal amounts of sense if it's town or scum alligned.

fp'd a milion times

It's on my mind
It helps me think through things

Therefore it goes somewhere.

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Dude this is still the pilot

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Math can you gimme your read on mastina in like 20 words or less?

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+1. Cursory glance says I am probably the main compulsive sheep of this playerlist and I haven't seen a single reason to do anything but no lynch

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@mastina

sorry if this is rude but would you mind focusing a little less on Math's posts while you catch up?

you guys gotta stop engaging with each other for a bit

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Reminder: scum have no role blocker, so that was a strongman kill.

(Technically speaking, could be Math as scum simply lying, but that'd be a fine way to ensure that he got lynched.)

How did you reach this conclusion?

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I'm about 5 pages behind but just to clarify.

I didn't receive anything from Mom last night. Also I refuse to roleclaim atm but I did not target Mom last night. This will be important later.

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Kthxbye if you're still there have you explained your decision to no lynch?

I am behind af but this is something I'd like to read during catch up

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@TW - does later mean today or on later days? Because if you have any info that tells us carrot's alignment it would be really helpful.

This games balancing is gonna be really interesting.

I can confirm town players as town. Won't be targeting anyone I'm scumreading.

Honestly I'm starting to really consider the idea that Mastina is scum here. more importantly I'm struggling to actually process everything that's going on through the epic walls of text...

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I targeted Ico. :/

Why are we wagoning A50 exactly?

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Ico.. seriously?
Doesn't matter you're either scum or town who made a mistake. Not interested in your rationale now that it's done. It's just a sucky situation
Sigh.

Elaborate

I'll fullclaim and give reasoning if needed

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Nonono don't guard me that ruins the magic

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I think I'm slow

Why is mastina a do-not-lynch for you?

Out of this bloc who do you think is objectively the most to least likely to be town? {Bujaber, Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin} reiterating there is no function to me targeting a scumread

Why is A50 probscum?

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Protect Beef tonight

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Let's do it. Dayvig time.

The town block is good. Especially for d2. Unfortunately there is zero chance of the three of us making it to like.... D3 or D4

As far as the associations go let me do some ISO reads and get back to you. There are no glaring flaws with the strategy that I can see but I'm not 100% sure yet.

Quite essentially... reading ANYTHING into Mastina's intentions is difficult but associations doubly so. I'll read Buj/Acryon and see if anything links backwards to her.



pedit: it's 11.15 and I'm trying to sleep hold on lemme think

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Messenger Momrangal gets blocked by me thinking that she's scum. Messenger is undoubtedly a town role and she claimed her target/role before I claimed mine. The only way that Momrangal can be scum is if I am too. (Hint: I'm not)

Dino is a bit more of a stretch. I really can't say he's conftown, but the general situation suggests he is.

VOTE: Carrot and Stick

We are NOT lynching Momrangal today. I accidentally confirmed her as town.

Quoted for thinking

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Confession time
I don't get it

@Beef why does this confirm Momrangal as town?

@Math why are they likely to be opposite alignments?

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How common is a lynched role in role madness games?

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That was some Town of Salem calibre play

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the worst is town, or at least not scum with InfBraf. Cheeky scumplay like that isn't his thing I think.

No read on the hydra, feels like they're playing in an intentionally scummy way, but whatever.

acryon is probtown until someone finds me evidence that they open scumgames like this.

VOTE: Paradox

Correct move is to always wagon this guy.

Edit: Long time no see Marangal, acryon
I don't think I've ever played on the same team as either of you?

Brafin:

OH MY GOSH.
How the heck did we all miss this? Isn't this a scumslip?

Math is never that bad
Ever

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Isn't No Result a failed action?

And again. How common is the lyncher role in role madness?


pedit: [joke intent to hammer here]

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So TW you believe A50 over kthx?

I have a scumlean vibe from Kthx and I can't read A50. I'd rather he be sorted by investigation but failing that I'll sheep Math on him if I'm comfortable.

HOWEVER Math needs to check himself that he's not confirmation biased towards supporting his meta vibe read because Kthx's soft result makes no senseeeeeee

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Ok that is the post I was just about to ask someone less lazy to do.
Math<3

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This is not a gladiate.

Wait for Gamma's reply to Math


pedit hold on I thought last night was agreed as a strongman kill..... Is a strongman ninja kill seriously conceivable?

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Kthxbye can you slow down a little for me?

How are you reaching the conclusion that no result = scum night kill? I think that's fucking me up as much as anything else.

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Kthxbye's shark jump is AS important to understand as the actual possibilities of the result imo

pedit: how many fucking roleblockers xD

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It might be because I was very very recently mislynched over a soft guilty but I'm fence sitting the fuck out of this until I feel comfortable either way.

Based on this discourse alone I think it's more likely Kthx is town but I need to understand more about his results and his thinking

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I didn't want to just ask A50 and tip him off that I targeted him. If you look back, I asked EVERYONE to say if they did an action lady night for that reason

Answer me k?
Thx
Bye

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Math Buj and A50

How likely do you think Acryon is to be town here?

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Kthxbye can you slow down a little for me?

How are you reaching the conclusion that no result = scum night kill? I think that's fucking me up as much as anything else.

No result to me means no action. We'll see what MOD had to say. If No Result is only from being blocked, I take the entire accusation back and we are back to square one

How does No Action = mafia night kill?

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N_M how likely is Acryon to be town to you?

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Okay I'm prepared to accept this shark jump could've come from town (pending mod comment)

pedit: night kill counts as an action surely?

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Okay I'm prepared to accept this shark jump could've come from town (pending mod comment)

pedit: night kill counts as an action surely?

This isn't road to rome

Doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be wrong.
I'm blonde irl it's a daily struggle

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@Mod: What result would a hypothetical Follower receive in the following situations:

A. The Follower is successfully roleblocked.
B. The target does nothing.
C. The target uses, for example, a rolecop ability and also makes a factional kill.
D. The target solely uses a rolecop ability.
E. The target solely makes a factional kill.
F. The target is a ninja and makes a factional kill.

@TW: I don't think anyone's a Lyncher here.

@mod sorrryyyyyy
G. The target used an ability which doesn't target another player

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I think A50's paranoia was x agerated l0l0l

I'm at work early so will semi lurk for now

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Or he misunderstood his role/result

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Friendly reminder this is not a gladiate

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Wait for Gamma

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I think I'm gonna target acryon tonight

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I'll protect you as long as mastina's doc goes on Kthx.

Kthx should obviously not out his target at all.

Do not protect me tonight.

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Actually fuck yes

Math is allowed to protect me but no one else is

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@Buj no only that if MASTINA had been jail kept she wouldn't have received the message. Since it was actually Mom who was jail kept it checks out that Mastina didn't receive the message I think

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Acryon pinkie promise you're town right now

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No

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Acryon pinkie promise you're town right now

Pinkie promise.

If you're scum you will not be coming to my birthday party.

Confirm I'm targeting acryon tonight.

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How do you know there's only 3 scum?

What is the likelihood of a third party?

How does 2 NKs = conclusively no vig?

the worst, the way you phrased things seems to imply you can confirm some people as town but some people you won't know if they're town or scum. Is that accurate?

Like a Neapolitan-esque role, although obviously not actually Neapolitan.

That's not a bad way to put it. My flip will explain the bits I'm not expressly saying if it comes to that

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4. So can you tell beforehand whether someone can be confirmed as town?

Unfortunately not. :/

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Okay being shut down by Math and A50 actually agreeing on something means those questions were just bad.

Never mind

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Kthxbye go wiki your own role. Happy to find the quote that satisfies me enough to wait for mod response.

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Kthxbye go wiki your own role. Happy to find the quote that satisfies me enough to wait for mod response.

how bout this, show me in the wiki where it states that follower only gets a result of ability used if that ability targets another player? All I see is that it doesn't give the targeted player. In English, this doesn't mean it doesn't work UNLESS my target targets another player, just that if another player is targeted, I don't get to know the target.

If you are talking about this: "Some moderators will tell Followers whose targets did not visit anyone "No Result"", then again, the English language here is key as well.

Definition of SOME: an unspecified amount or number of.

Sure, if the wiki said "All" "Most" or even "A majority", we wouldn't even be in this spot. Some is more like a few than it is like most.

Anything else?

Regardless of your definition of "some" you have an unconfirmed soft guilty??

Read normal use as well. Will quote if needed, phone posting at work

Please explain how you're drawing your conclusions. Correct play is treating this carefully and waiting for Gamma's response.

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Seriously starting to think Kthxbye is scum. Town should surely realise there's a pretty serious margin of error and be willing to wait for a mod response.

Is anyone else pinged by this bullshit?

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Blech. I guess this isn't a hard scumread exactly. His arrogance is just frustrating as hell.

I need someone smarter to look at this objectively

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To summarise.

Kthxbye is claiming a Watcher result of NO RESULT on A50 who has claimed a non targeting ability. He immediately assumes this means A50 is scum who used the factional kill ability.

According to normal use and thread discussion I'm only seeing 3 possible situations which lead to the NO RESULT outcome:

1. The check was impacted by another ability.
2. At moderator discretion, because the target did not target anyone (which has been confirmed)
3. We are projecting possibly because the target used a faction ability and not their own ability

Normal use dictates a ninja mafia nightkill would return "you saw nothing"


Take away actual reads for a moment. Surely the correct response to this result is to wait for Gamma to confirm whether 2 & 3 would generate this result.

Am I going crazy here?? There's way too much unknown to follow this result blindly.

The only situation where Kthxbye's assumption that A50 is nightkilling scum is correct is if the third situation is true. His assumption is a massive stretch.

If A50 is scum here this is a dream come true because fuck trying to sort A50.

If A50 is town you're driving us into a mislynch and seem totally disinterested in what the mod has to say to clarify. As someone else mentioned a while ago this leaves you JUST enough deniability to avoid being instantly lynched tomorrow.

Gamma's response will probably clarify why you got this result, which in turn will probably confirm A50's alignment. Stop pushing this as an actual guilty without Gamma's response.



Can someone smart please tell me if I'm missing something here?

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I go to work and 12 pages happen. WAT.

Stop working

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I'm waiting for Mastina to catch up. I need an experienced head

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I don't believe A50's claim, but I still think it's kthnx/mastina/Math

Why do you think town A50 would fakeclaim

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4 pages to go.....

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Hold on what the fuck

Mastina are you writing this as though A50 actually has a guilty on him or on the basis that the result is irrelevant and he's scum anyway?

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hey bujaber would you be down with lynching not_mafia

Though in actual fact kthx would look the worst so he'd be first to get lynched after you flip town. I don't give benefit of the doubt to shit like this 1v1. One of you flipping town confscums the other.

Scuse u if anyone looks the worst here it's me

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Derpquoted I only meant to press "Kthx would look the worst"

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I'd prefer if Acryon was left alive today fwiw

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Fuck it, out of everyone I have the largest gut town read on Dino. Sheeping him tonight.

I'm sheeping this sheeping

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Fuck all of the entire mastina vs A50. Both of them are blatantly manipulative. I'm pretending they don't exist for the rest of the phase.

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InfBra are you guys town?

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You're persuasive and make sense! D:

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Math how do you read Mom, InfBra and Buj?

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the worst: Investigative

Careful

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Visiting acryon tonight
We'll know his alignment tomorrow.

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How likely is A50 to be scum?
How likely is Mastina to be town?

Sheeping you here because I am 100% dua lipa on trying to read those 2 today

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Stop rolefishing.

I'll fullclaim if necessary when necessary.

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It clears acryon of having acted last night which softconfirms him town

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I actually can't wait for acryon to flip town

N_M how likely is Acryon to be town to you?

100%

ISO him, he's been hardcore defending acryon all day. The role checks out


pedit: I thought motion detectors weren't informed of the people or actions involved?

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Would you do a reads list?

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If acryon is town who do you think third scum is likely to be Beef?

pedit ninjadino

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Case Buj for me.

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For petty points..... I can name more experienced players here who have put less effort into working out what their own roles do.

But that's also not alignment indicative.Give me a case on how Buj is scum here.

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Ohhhhhhhh sorry. Derp. Yeah I can't process mastina rn.

Okay ignore the role stuff. Why is Buj scum?

pedit: what's your read on him now?

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I wanna talk to mom more

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Mom please tell me you didn't just leave

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Is there a world where Mom and A50 are scum together?

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I'm 99% sure the correct action for me tonight is targeting acryon

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Still working thru everything

In both situations: are we ok leaving InfBra as the ~unknown~ factor?

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Math did you just glimpse into my crazy twsidted mind for a moment?

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Regardless

That plan rocks.

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I've only seen "how to break 5p LyLo and stress out newbies" by the same author. This plan is next level.

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James

We already have Mastina in perpetual catch-up mode
Why
Just why

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Gosh darn Gamma 2gd

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Inferno and James I'd encourage you guys to catch up but continually posting as though the last 1500 posts haven't happened is more likely to cause uninformed opinions to be thrown around

Just keep making notes/flowchart it or w/e and share once you've caught up

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TBH I really wanna see this flowchart

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Also Mastina missed a whole day, so good luck avoiding a wall-fest in the next 12 hours.

i just threw up in my mouth a little

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I'm still not fullclaiming.

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I've got the perfect twilight post. Make sure I'm on when the hammer goes through

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James
...
Why
Just why

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Actually that's really neat. Explains a bit about your play that had previously made me a bit anxious, too. I don't think it's good practice to throw it down today tho

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Uh I might have derped.....who are the pretty much confirmed scum?

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I'm starting to get a little paranoid about night actions fwiw

Definitely activate double day.

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This explains the brown stains around Ico"s corpse....

If we're lynching within my DuaLipaBlock (mastina/A50) I'm still sheeping Math

Outside of this I don't want to lynch acryon much

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Uggghhhhhhh how certain are you about scum acryon Math?

I can check him pretty easily via night action is all

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I'd probably consider Buj, InfBra or Mom.

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Pls

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Hmm VOTE: acryon L-1

I can put my ego aside considering how likely this gamesolve is.

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FUCK I AM SORRY I DIDN'T SHEEP HARDER

VOTE: A50

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MASTINA STOP READING OLD SHIT SERIOUSLY JUST READ BACKWARDS ACRYON IS ALREADY DEAD

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I just reopened this thread to see mastina's vote and Buj's reactioj
I'll go suffer through this now ;n;

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Also spotted post evidence. Math checked with Gamma that the mutual RB would block NK.

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Post edit*

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mastina

1. Ily and I'm actually actively learning from your play style regardless of alignment

2. If we lynched you would you come back as a goats and analyse ur own wagon for us?

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Confirmed.

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If Buj visits no one tonight yas

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It's awwnnn