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Nice work, dragonspawn, completely missed that."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I didn't read it at all, or if I did, I don't remember it whatsoever."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Oh yeah, I hated Marquis' play there too. I should go take a look."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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gm, thoughts on Marquis?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Today is an extremely busy day for me - I cannot guarantee I'll get to you guys, but I'll try."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I support Marquis dying, guess I'm scum too?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4441, Shinobi wrote:In post 4435, T S O wrote:Oh yeah, I hated Marquis' play there too. I should go take a look.
Gonna follow up on this?
Of course, baby.
In post 4454, Cheetory6 wrote:
I'm not really sure why I would be more suspicious than the other people who probably didn't notice the claim and just didn't say anything. I get why I'm being singled out here, but it's shitty that someone else probably had this realization and I'm taking the fall for it. -.-TSO wrote:Actually, one of my current tinfoil-hat theories which is beginning to gnaw at me is that one of the conduits to Nobody Special's death was scum realising - and Cheetory had a moment where I refused to discuss it and that could have tipped him off.
When I say tinfoil-hat theory, I mean it's what I think of when I get paranoid. I think NS could have been low-priority as a target due to inactivity etc. - but there -are- scumkills missing, which maybe he blocked, and they got sick of it. I think this is more likely than my theory about you.
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Can you walk through why exactly? Or point me in the direction of a post you've made which reflects your current feelings on him?TSO wrote:Fully support a Marquis wagon at this juncture, will probably push it sooner or later.
To summarise my thoughts:
Marquis' stance on me, and stances in general, are fluctuating bullshit. His read on FA_Q2 also kept going back and forth yesterday. His justification of this is "Well, you can't expect me to have static reads when I've only just replaced in." This is true. However, his reads on me are not simply "not static." They are ever-changing. There's never any reasoning for them, ever. It's true that this could be from town-Marquis. I told him he had one day yesterday. His stance on me today, summarised, is "he's null-scum because he's been pushing easy targets like faq, who I also pushed on and off yesterday." That was the final straw for me. I cannot reconcile how he could post this, when the thought process required to do so would be something like this:
"I wanted FA dead for being scummy yesterday, and I was wrong! And TSO was the same, so I'm gonna give him a scumread."
I just cannot see town Marquis doing that. Maybe if he was able to detail why his read on me and FA, in particular, went "town-scum-town-scum-tum-scown-town-scum", but I doubt he remembers those. I have no idea why he felt his thought process needed to be opaque this game - opaque thought processes are a bad idea 99% of the time. And he's not usually into super-opaqueness, at least now as town, from what I've seen of him."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I haven't posted that straight away because it kept gnawing at me that I wasn't quite getting across the message I wanted to in the last paragraph, but I'm not going to get it any better tonight."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4482, Aeronaut wrote:TSO, how do you feel about dragonspawn this fine summer evening?
He feels extremely like mislynch bait."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Like he is so fucking tasty. You know scum want to gobble that shit up. Not on my watch, bitches."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Extremely apathetic - even if I wanted to lynch her I'd never even get halfway there. I'm not reading her, she's not really affecting the game for me - it's not a null read, it's a don't-give-a-single-fuck read."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I'm saying dragonspawn is an easy mislynch, but I also said he was tasty. Tasty in my lexicon means easy to lynch, not just to scum.
Scumreading dragonspawn is easy to do as either alignment and I'm wary of doing it and of people doing it."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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If you want me to scumread you, feel free to ask. I might be feeling generous."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4492, Aeronaut wrote:@TSO So you think outing two neighbors for no other apparent reason than to get out of answering questions is town motivated?
Of course not."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4491, Marquis wrote:UNVOTE:
I've been in a "fuck my reads" mood since the FA_Q2 flip, and up until now I've tried not to care about people scumreading me but now it's "fuck my reads and fuck this game".
I don't know what's up. This game seems to have a heavy split between significantly experienced players and not very experienced at all, and how the flips have gone this game signify to me that the scum is hiding in the experienced pool.
Shinobi right now I'm still not liking at all, but I'm willing to admit that my approach to that was flawed so any response he has to me would naturally incense me in return. I just... I really have no idea anymore. I feel like I'm sabotaging my own reads at the very least. Ignoring again for now.
Then it comes to the main thing I'm used to TSO-scum doing, which is pushing back on people when they start scumreading him and pushing for their lynch, and that's a part of what I see him doing here. Not to mention that post above about my meta sounds like bullshit because he knows when I'm actually scum I'm comfortable as fuck, and when I'm town that's when I have no idea what's going on and I just feel weak and unsure of everything. And I also feel like his sudden attack on me, after mostly letting my insecurity regarding FA_Q2 slide yesterday, is part of him taking advantage of how uncomfortable and unsure I am here, not only about my reads but about how I'm starting to feel about how I'm perceived.
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As of this post the only reads I'm sure of are townreads on Silverwolf and goodmorning. I don't even know what I saw as town in dragonspawn earlier but right now that's back to null because I'm afraid I've gotten into the habit of townreading scum for doing stupid things lately.
I'll be back later, I need to take a breath.
Fucking saw this coming from a mile away. Appeal to knowing my scum game all you want, Marquis, it's not going to help you here."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Seriously, bring your A-game, because I'm not going to back down. You're getting hung and your red flip is going to be justified."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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But, back on point: what scum motivation does dragonspawn have to out the neighbourhoods?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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It's a dumb move, and I get why SilverWolf is feeling aggrieved over it - but dragonspawn is no town bastion. You can't just rigorously hold him to standards of others and expect him to meet them or be scum."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I'm sorry, Shinobi, we're not having another day where we hem and we haw and Marquis is "indecisive", tells us he's paranoid of me, and we lynch dragonspawn in a deadline panic."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I supported an Aeronaut lynch there for a while but I actually kinda liked his little attack on me there a few posts back.
Anyway, I'd still prefer Marquis."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4506, Marquis wrote:In post 4500, T S O wrote:I'm sorry, Shinobi, we're not having another day where we hem and we haw and Marquis is "indecisive", tells us he's paranoid of me, and we lynch dragonspawn in a deadline panic.
that was not a fucking deadline panic
there was a week left and everyone was just sick of everything
and you even liked my fa_q2 case, brought up points to back it up, and advocated his lynch for the whole rest of the day
You're right - however, what I described was exactly how this day would have panned out if not for my intervention. You would have done nothing useful except fake paranoia.
You're also right on FA_Q2 - I did like that wagon. By the way, you never explained to me how us both supporting the wagon made me nullscum and you town. I'd love to hear it. Except I don't think I ever will, because you've flat out refused to explain any of your read progresses this game. <---This is a huge fucking scumtell, I don't know why people don't see that.
In post 4504, Marquis wrote:i don't care what you have to say about me knowing or not knowing your scum game, because i already know i'm not 100% on that
So why did you say it, then?
In post 4504, Marquis wrote:the real issue i have is you having multiple experiences with both my town and scum games, and then somehow having the audacity to say my towngame isn't opaque and by definition open and easy to see- and that's a totally bullshit misrepresentation.
See, this is why you're scum. Let me lay out what was said:
TSO: Marquis's game here has been completely and utterly opaque - his towngame is not usually like this.
Marquis: Hey, he's saying my towngame isn't opaque! THAT MUST MEAN HE'S SAYING IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN! SCUM!
It's these random fucking moments of bullshit you keep pulling.
In post 4506, Marquis wrote:i don't even care how it looks that i'm arguing my town game sucks, but you should know this and know how easy it was for me to act natural and get you to townread me when i was scum.
You knew that, after beating me in Rick Santorum, if you came in here and tried the same shit I'd probably nail your ass to the wall. So you tried to vary your scumgame. Maybe insert a little paranoia. I know what you were thinking.
In post 4506, Marquis wrote:so right now, especially after letting me slide yesterday then only coming at me now when i've started to express a stronger scumread on you, i want you dead.
Ahahaha this is bullshit and lies. I'm taking a separate post to address this because it's such a blatant falsehood.
In post 4506, Marquis wrote:it looks like i'm going to flip first.
Damn fucking straight it does - big bright red letters in the OP."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Wait, hold up, I'm not voting Marquis? I was sure I was.
VOTE: Marquis"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4560, Aeronaut wrote:I'm not a big fan of TSO's push on Marquis today. I'm also wondering about his over-agressiveness this day phase.
And yet you're clearly a fan of Marquis's push on me."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4504, Marquis wrote:so right now, especially after letting me slide yesterday then only coming at me now when i've started to express a stronger scumread on you
Okay, so this is a straight up-lie.
Spoiler: Yesterday
So, yesterday, you can see Marquis openly supported my wagon and I did not do what Marquis's apparently saying I always do by attack people who attack me as scum. Point disproven.
Spoiler: Today
I think it's again obvious as fuck he's making up his reads out of thin air to fit whatever agenda he wants to push. It was scum-Shinobi, now it's scum-TSO."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Like, can someone who disagrees with me/agree with Marquis, other than him, explain why we're not razing him into the ground? Because I genuinely don't get it."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Like, scum-Marquis is not a bad player. He's a pretty convincing guy. Here's a game where he got me fucking mislynched just like he's trying to do here. Here's another game where his hydra Doublade was literally townread by everyone, including me, as scum, before getting shot n1. Read those games. Especially the latter one. Then come back to me and tell me you don't think Marquis can play scum."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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*getting shot n3 or something, it was me who got shot n1."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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What does should lynch mean? Because I want to know why I'm there."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Do you actually have any reason for that, or is it all paranoia ...?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Again, I have no idea how I've ended up in your scumpool - I can't understand how you went from basically null to scum on me. Maybe I'm just part of an old and outdated guard who believe in explaining their reads."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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stop acting fucking coy gm it's not cute
explain now"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I'm waiting for people to clock in so I can talk to them. Come on, you lot."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4574, Shinobi wrote:I don't really think the quotes you've pulled are particularly damning.
Other than the fact that Marquis is fixated on you, I don't see the issue. It seems like what he's saying is legitimate, despite being wrong.
My scumread on Marquis is based on me calling his read on me a load of shit. Do you agree or disagree with that?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4593, Shinobi wrote:What exactly am I agreeing/disagreeing with here? I don't really understand what you're asking.
Why do you think I'm calling Marquis scum? I didn't understand your response a bit back, and I don't think you understand me either - I'm trying to find the point where our views diverge."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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gm, even if you hate this game, don't you at least have enough fucking respect for people like me to play it?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4599, SilverWolf wrote:GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it.
GM is borderline not playing this game at all - I feel twitchy and uncomfortable about that. Make her do things."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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No, she is not "having trouble articulating her reads" - she is sticking the middle finger up to us and refusing to do so. There is a difference, you know."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I feel like I'm Thor here expecting a certain standard of play and being disappointed at the inevitable failure to deliver."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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SilverWolf, can you summarise anything said you feel is alignment-relevant in your Neighbourhood to here? Ooba, if you think she misses anything, feel free to add it in."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I never thought I'd say it, but come back elusive, all is forgiven."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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And get promptly shot tonight."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I agree it's probable Mafia have a protective role, but I don't think we should be set-up speccing at this stage."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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What I need to get interested in this game again is a good old-fashioned square-up with Marquis."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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No read explanations, then?
Of course not."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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You'd all better be careful - if you don't call me scum Marquis's gonna callyouscum."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I love the phraseology of that post - "criticizing the quality of my read justification", as opposed to "you literally never explain anything ever", sounds significantly better. Excellent work, Marquis.
Still gonna have to hang you, you know."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I think Marquis's townread on gm reads as kinda off and I'm probably going to be looking there for his partner after him because I think he's trying to psych me out by hard townreading his scumbuddy.
I thought for a while that Marquis, if he was doing this, would put more effort into making the read seem genuine/interactions etc., but then again he can't justify his goodmorning read and not justify the others, so it doesn't worry me like it kinda did for a while."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4643, dragonspawn wrote:I'm a little confused tso. Weren't you the one trying to persuade me that I was off on scum reading gm? Now you'll be looking into her after marquis if he flips scum?
When exactly did this happen? The last time I remember thinking abut goodmorning I was calling her null."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4487, T S O wrote:Extremely apathetic - even if I wanted to lynch her I'd never even get halfway there. I'm not reading her, she's not really affecting the game for me - it's not a null read, it's a don't-give-a-single-fuck read.
In post 4607, T S O wrote:In post 4599, SilverWolf wrote:GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it.
GM is borderline not playing this game at all - I feel twitchy and uncomfortable about that. Make her do things.
In post 4609, T S O wrote:No, she is not "having trouble articulating her reads" - she is sticking the middle finger up to us and refusing to do so. There is a difference, you know."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4478, T S O wrote:I think NS could have been low-priority as a target due to inactivity etc. - but there -are- scumkills missing, which maybe he blocked, and they got sick of it. I think this is more likely than my theory about you.
Also, goodmorning knew that Nobody Special is in general inactive and not very helpful at all as town to the scumhunting effort. I could definitely see her prioritise shooting players over PR's, only for NS to block them."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Who knows? Maybe NS was on me and I got shot."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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why"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4653, SilverWolf wrote:Because she played a lot like this in my only game with her when she was town.
And you're ignoring Shinobi saying she also played exactly like this as scum because ...?
Your major flaw as a town player is that you don't re-evaluate your reads when you need to. Scum are going to punish you time and time again for it unless you address it. Try doing it now.
I am not asking you to scumread goodmorning because I say so. I am asking you to throw out any assumptions you have made about her, read her ISO and what I've said about her, and make your conclusion. There is no problem if you return to the same conclusion as before. However, I highly doubt you will.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4618, SilverWolf wrote:Aero-I still don't understand how you switched your vote when you were so set on dragon. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. At least give me a case on TSO. Is he aggressive as scum?
Dragon is still likely scum in my opinion. However, TSO's strange defense of Dragon needed attention, and honestly the more TSO posts the stranger it's starting to seem. He was this sure about FA yesterday, and was wrong. Today, he's still completely sure of himself about Marquis. You taking the time to re-evaulate your reads today got me thinking; Don't you think somebody that pushed so hard for something yesterday and was dead wrong would be rethinking and retooling his reads today? Or at least second guessing himself just a little bit? That's not what he's doing. He barely mentions yesterday's events and just moves on with a "Ok, Marquis is 100% scum" crusade. That should be bothering people more than it is.
TSO hardpushes a townlynch d1, fakes insecurity d2, gets townread for it, wins the game.
Me being this confident is a sign of my fucking towngame, Aero. Not my scumgame. Read Masquerade. Read Faith Plus One. The difference between my scumgame and my towngame, which I don't think I've ever divulged to anyone, is posturing. As scum, I posture like fuck to make people townread for me. As town, I don't do that because I have zero interest in deceiving people. The difference between Marquis and I today is that I am pushing him as 100% scum and doing it confidently, while he is pushing me as 100% scum, but yet faking apathy. You should be reading us the other way around, given that one of us is faking our emotions and one of us is calling it exactly as we fucking see it.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:And yes, he's extremely aggressive as scum, and pretty nonchalant as town. I don't always trust meta reads when it's that polar opposite, but with the way he's trying to moot that fact quite a bit makes me want to bring that aspect more into play.
I can completely break this statement in half if you want me to - suffice it to say my games are significantly more fluid than this, and I'd argue aggression, real aggression like I'm displaying right now, is emblematic of my towngame.
Focus on this game and don't try to second-guess my alignment based on previous meta - it has never worked for anyone with me.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4595, T S O wrote:In post 4593, Shinobi wrote:What exactly am I agreeing/disagreeing with here? I don't really understand what you're asking.
Why do you think I'm calling Marquis scum? I didn't understand your response a bit back, and I don't think you understand me either - I'm trying to find the point where our views diverge.
... Are you not calling him scum?
Yes, Aero, I'm pretty blatantly doing that. This was an invite to SilverWolf to talk with me. She didn't seem to accept it.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4599, SilverWolf wrote:GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it. Feel the same way about Ozgin.
I agree with this pretty much. I don't see a world where GM is scum this game, really.
Go back this up - this is going to be my response time and again to anyone who is townreading people based on them faking apathy. Marquis and goodmorning are doing it like champs right now and the only one not being duped by it seems to be me, and maybe Shinobi.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4606, Cheetory6 wrote:
Why?Aero wrote:Alright. I don't agree with oz, but Cheetory I see your reasoning behind. Kinda been wondering about him myself.
Because that whole sequence with TSO during last day phase is really off to me, and that's really bugging me.
What exactly about it was off? He called me scum, I conclusively laid out why his reasoning made no sense, he re-assessed his reads like a good town player. That's why he's town.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4642, T S O wrote:I think Marquis's townread on gm reads as kinda off and I'm probably going to be looking there for his partner after him because I think he's trying to psych me out by hard townreading his scumbuddy.
I thought for a while that Marquis, if he was doing this, would put more effort into making the read seem genuine/interactions etc., but then again he can't justify his goodmorning read and not justify the others, so it doesn't worry me like it kinda did for a while.
Why would he be so obvious about town reading his scum buddy?
I said in theexact same postyou quoted that he was attempting to play mind games with me by doing it. In fact, it was the paragraph directly underneath what you just quoted.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:From what I alone have seen of Goodmorning's opinions and play in this game, I feel as if they are pretty genuine. Take that as you will. I won't be lynching her.
TSO wrote:Go back it up.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:I'm finding it really hard to believe that you went from this
In post 4352, T S O wrote:My theory is: the reason Nobody Special was kept alive until now was because scum didn't know about him. Once they figured it out, they shot him. It would not have been difficult to figure it out -but this does make me feel better about goodmorning-town, given she knew for multiple days.
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In post 4645, T S O wrote:In post 4643, dragonspawn wrote:I'm a little confused tso. Weren't you the one trying to persuade me that I was off on scum reading gm? Now you'll be looking into her after marquis if he flips scum?
When exactly did this happen? The last time I remember thinking abut goodmorning I was calling her null.
Please explain to me what changed in between these posts to make you go from "I feel pretty good about Goodmorning town" to suddenly "GM is null, because she's being apathetic".
I answered this question before when dragonspawn asked me it - I am not in the business of repeating myself when there's scum I want dead.
In post 4654, Aeronaut wrote:So, that's why I'm thinking a TSO lynch is better than dragon today. By lynching TSO today, we get more information than if we lynch Dragon. In my mind, if TSO flips scum, Cheetory will flip scum right along with him. And then Shinobi, while that theory may be a bit more tinfoil-hat, will be someone to look into tomorrow as well. As TSO said, we really only need one scum lynch, and it will blow this game wide open. I think TSO is that lynch for us today.
Blah blah blah, dressing up a mislynch as an information lynch on day fucking 5 won't get you anywhere, Aeronaut."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I think Aeronaut's probably town for how he is coming at me, but it's no use receiving a green role PM if all you do is aid the reds."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4655, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4417, T S O wrote:In post 4368, Aeronaut wrote:@TSO, as someone who knows your scumgame, that's not an accurate representation of yours.
It has been.
What do you mean by "it has been". It has been before? Or what?
I said I have played like this as scum before:In post 4364, T S O wrote: He reminds me of me when I play scum sometimes, just chugging along and posting enough to get by, not attracting attention.
You said that's not how you've seen me play. I replied that I have used that playstyle effectively before. Aggression as scum isn't always effective. In fact, it's usually not that effective, given that site meta right now is to scumread it.
In post 4655, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4273, T S O wrote:
Sorry, it's not my fault I'm getting scum lynched today.
Actually, it really is, but let's not discuss that right now.
Can you discuss this with us now?
I don't know what you want to discuss - it's basically a joke?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Well, you would, because without it you have basically nothing left to push."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Yeah, that's why goodmorning and Marquis remain fantastic lynches."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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You don't have an argument, other than "hes playing to his scum meta gotcha", and "hes scum for thinking faq2 was scum just like I did". You're correct, you are going to get drowned out, because you don't really have anything relevant to say and I think people are finally beginning to see that."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I'm afraid you won't actually be able to get it, little man - I have something which makes me 100% town, and you don't, though I'd really rather not reveal it unless I have to."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 4673, Marquis wrote:First is an added bonus, second is a misrep- pretty sure I've already said it's not that you thought FA_Q2 was scum, it's how you acted toward the lynch so aggressively without second-guessing once there was support for it in the form of my case. Judging from the 100 or so posts prior to that in your ISO, I see no mention of a scumread or any thoughts on FA_Q2, and a general lack of anything other than talking about ABR/Math, brushing off people scumreading you, and I think there was a post about you offering to lynch easy low content targets gm or Aero (I also noticed you gave gm "townpoints" for something I don't get before that so I'm a bit curious as to how and why things have changed there)
yawn, I've explained my goodmorning read, and the rest of this is just stating random facts: "talked about ABR/Math", guilty there, "brushed off people scumreading me", guilty there too. I love how you characterise me thinking about lynching gm/Aero as "going after easy low content targets", when it was actually me getting paranoid of the two of them being so low-key. As it happened, I was 50% right.
Framing me for play doesn't work if there's nothing wrong with my play.
In post 4673, Marquis wrote:All of your posts are also just attacking me for "not having an argument" and repeating things along the lines of "you're going to flip and you're going to flip red!!!" and at this stage I'd expect some sort of...something, really, that approaches the situation with a clear mindset that you're town. Like "I'm town and you're wrong" is simple enough but I don't remember seeing anything major like that that asserts your own alignment as least a small part of your responses. It's all defense through offense, which is to be expected from scum, or at the very least someone like you.
So, I'm attacking you, and apparently scum do this, and apparently "someone like me" also does it... so I'm scum for attacking you, even though I'd have done it just because I'm me?
I have approached the situation like I'm town. It's called trying to get you lynched.You have approached the situation in the exact same way, except a few comments about how this game means nothing to you/you don't care/apathy comment #3, so why am only I scum for doing so?"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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Then there's the fact your attack on me is a giant OMGUS, and you've attempted to sidestep by... saying my attack is a giant OMGUS. Right."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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