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[SlySly]

Reading up...

[SlySly]

Scum team A:

ArcAngel
Bumi
B&B

Scum not on team A:

NJ

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UNVOTE: whoever KillerApple was voting for

VOTE: NJ

I'd much rather lynch AA, though.

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I'll dig through tomorrow and illustrate why AA is scum. My vote will more than likely change at that point.

[SlySly]

Why do you think there are two scumteams, perchance? Literally the first anyone's brought it up all game.

There are 25 players in this game. There is going to be a high number of scum in this game. The scum group A which I defined is so obviously a team, it's painful and saddening that the town has not picked up on it before now.

NJ is obvscum, but he is obvnot in group A.

Hence, multiple scum groups.

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On another note:

Hydras are so last year. It's my belief they (hydras, not the players making it up) should be banned from games on the site that are not clearly stated as hydra games.

[SlySly]

VOTE : BirdAndBeat

Instabus.

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B&B made a good point.

Make point to build credibility for scum buddy.

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Roger is a new player and new players usually be townie's.

This is absolute crap. They only reason all players are more likely to be town than scum is because there are more town in games than scum. Being new has nothing to do with alignment. Is Roger on your team too?

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do we have day Vig kill?

Had you offered a target for the vig, this wouldn't be such a blatant role fish, but you didn't, so it is.

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I am comfortable any of them.

Then join us on thezmon. If there were to be a dayvig, they'd take out Sixx. But since dayvigs aren't a common role, we can't rely on 'em. Thezmon today, Sixx tomorrow (or also today if there's a dayvig).

Can't agree more.. Here you go..

Vote: thezmon

Sheeping of B&B. Aren't you a big fan of giving reasoning AA? Well you provided none here.

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and, I just wanted to know if there is any Day Vig kill. This is a big game. They come under good use if we have two major suspects in a day phase. Isn't a good thing to have ability to hit Mafia twice?

Second mention, still no suggested target.

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ArcAngel is town.

Sure I am.

Bumi begins his AA love.

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I think this is yours.

What is wrong with a day vig day killing exactly? Sheeping is not scummy, its just sheeping. And ArcAngel clearly had original thoughts of her own if you ISO her.

Exactly, I was only inquiring about if the game has day Vig kill. Its not a bad option. It helps town to make two kills before the day ends.

To post 233
I disagree fully on part 2. Asking to day vig a player this early when not everyone has even checked in is really bad in my mind. To me, the vig needs to operate on their own reads until they have a confirmed townie to reason with.

How does the day vig is any different to night vig? they both do the same..Kill. Day Vig is good for town if the right choice has been made. This concern of yours wonders me if you're afraid of being killed or lynched in the day phase? so are you the scum?

3rd and 4th mention, still no suggested target. AA, just admit it, you were role fishing.

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I can say you're insane.

Ad hom.

There is no proof to your theory, you're just making up a story to vote me.

i strongly hope the town see this behaviour you.

Refer to the above and below. I'm seeing plenty of reason to vote your scummy ass.

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Looks like now all the scums are coming on defending their mates.

You've just described Bumi's play in regards to you!

ArcAngel is town.

I really hate the mentality of this post to and the specific null leaning on Arc.

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VOTE: ArcAngel

Denial of fishing, fishing, and sheeping. And, until the advent of a reason for your vote on Thezmon, you are sheeping in my mind.

I think you are splitting hairs, Aj.

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VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a very bad vote Killer and you are very scummy for making it.

Explain.

I will. At a later point in time.

Mainly due to the fact that Arc is from India and things can get lost in translation. You can see some fumblings in her earlier posts. It looks like Killer is going after something easy to have his vote down.

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Even B&B gets into the AA love. Notice he says everyone is townish, but AA is "def-town"

AJ is townish. Dumbledore looks townish. nhammen is townish as well. ArcAngel is def-town, as is njoseph and TML. Baby Spice is town. Jacob is town. Johnny looks town. Killer Apple is town. Theomoaner's townish, as is unseencamo.

Multiple times I was ready to comment on something, only to see that Arc had already beaten me to the punch. No way she's scum.

No joke: it'd be easier to quote the parts of ArcAngel's posts which DON'T make me think town.

I present two charges to her: Sheeping and Role fishing day vig.

Both of these are bullshit. She's clearly not sheeping, and she was clearly not rolefishing for a dayvig.

She was clearly sheeping and rolefishing. Nice try though.

What is wrong with a day vig day killing exactly? Sheeping is not scummy, its just sheeping. And ArcAngel clearly had original thoughts of her own if you ISO her.

There is nothing wrong with a day vig killing. The fact you are missing is AA, in her first 4 mentions of dayvig, never suggested a target, she just fished. Sheeping is the perfect/easiest way for scum to hop on a wagon.

If you think ArcAngel was sheeping, you need to get better at reading sub-text.
If you think ArcAngel was rolefishing for a day-vig, then you need to play more games to realize just how stupid an accusation that is. Asking for a dayvig on a player, if any tell at all, would be town, not scum.

Again, 4 dayvig mentions, no suggested target, she just fished.

She even admits it here...

It was me who is asking for if we have Day vig available in the game, i certainly didn't ask anyone to kill anyone

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UNVOTE: NJ

VOTE: ArcAngel

Does this sound like a joke to you now, AA?

[SlySly]

Slysly get your glasses checked.

Ad hom.

I'm not scum and I highly doubt that BB and AA are scum.

If we are a team, lynch one of us? It would help you in the coming days surely? Why settle for someone else?

As you can see my vote has been updated.

[SlySly]

Don't bother reading the shit from Slysly, he needs a TLDR version that doesn't quote half the game.

Nice dismissal attempt. Sometimes quotes have to be included to show the connections. If you are too lazy to read them, go back to playing WoW. My post was very concise compared to others in this game. Why aren't you bitching about those?

[SlySly]

Oh, I see, you replaced Roger, the player AA said was town because he is new. LMFAO.

[SlySly]

Ad hom is a scumtell in my book.

[SlySly]

Why? It is a personality tell more than anything. I could understand if I am not contributing and only attacking players but I am contributing.

When you attack the player instead of their case, that is scummy. It shows you have no defense.

[SlySly]

You make a fair point. With the post in question, I didn't see it until after I posted mine. You posted it while I was typing. Whether you're sure or not, I definitely have a case.

[SlySly]

I should be less scummy in your mind. But I'm not? Are you tunnel visioned already?

Why should you be less scummy in my mind? Your AA love is indisputable.

[SlySly]

Sixx wagon analysis

The Wagon:

Sixx (7): Albus Dumbledore, BirdAndBeast, Parama, Nachomamma8, njoseph, killerjester, Edosurist

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Edosurist - "I'm just going to nod and say yes. Yes. SCUM"

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I've got nothing. Obvscum."

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Albus Dumbledore - "Sixx is scum. You all probably know this already, considering how glaringly obvious it is, but there you have it."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "As you all probably know already, Sixx is obvscum, there you have it."

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BirdAndBeast1 - "Well I haven't consulted with my sexier half, but I know Mastin has been listing Sixx as scum consistently in thread

(actually, his last mention in thread about Sixx as scum was 317 posts earlier in post 178. That consistency must be in your QT.)

and QT. And I also think Sixx is leaning scummy."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Not sure about other half, but I know other half consistently calls Sixx scum in our QT, I'm thinking of sheeping other half's QT reasoning."

BirdAndBeast2 - "By what people are saying of sheeping you on Sixx (haven't actually read that, yet, but I saw it on the page my post was on), I think you're scum as well. We'll dominate the scum, now."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Since someone said you are sheeping, I think you're scum"

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Parama - "I'll totally sheep Nacho"

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I'll totally sheep Nacho"

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Nachomamma8

- "Don't like the Sixx reaction to Bird. "Well your posts suck too!" isn't exactly a valid response to an attack, and seems more like scum deflection."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sixx reacted poorly to B&B. His reaction was deflection via OMGUS."

- "I don't like how you make this vague statement in order to discourage future sheepers as opposed to calling out people specifically and attacking them for it."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sixx, call people out for being scummy rather than generalizing to discourage future sheepers."

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njoseph

- "I could have hopped on thezmon's wagon again, but Sixx seems the more scummy 1 out of the two largest wagons."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "The Sixx wagon looks better to jump on than the thezmon wagon."

- "That leaves Sixx, and he's bad for being on Ztife wagon, and is not given the credit I have given to Sixx, nothing about Sixx has stood out to me as markingly, to me, townie."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sixx is left by POE. The Ztife wagon is one Sixx shouldn't be on. DERP! Sixx has not stood out as obvtown to me."

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killerjester - "I can't seem to find someone's point of him deflecting, however Sixx claims to be primarily townhunting over scumhunting but has provided lists for neither."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I don't see the deflection NM pointed out, but Sixx is townhunting over scumhunting and doesn't give list for either."

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Conclusion

- Extremely weak wagon. Only NM gives any valid reasoning and it is quite a stretch. Parama at least sheeped the best reasoning even though it was weak.

[SlySly]

Baby Spice, do you think Sixx is scum?

[SlySly]

the earlier thezmon221 wagon peak analysis

The Wagon:

thezmon221 (10): The Mini-Librarian, BirdAndBeast, Parama, ArcAngel9, SoraAdvent, Baby Spice, Ztife, JohnnyFarrar, Albus Dumbledore, jeck

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The Mini-Librarian

- "Ignores essentially the entire thread to post a rv. Shows that he is actually reading the thread (responds to bird and beast's question about experience) but doesn't do anything productive at all with the gamestate."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Dismisses entire thread to post a rv. Has read thread but not truly contributing"

- "suggests that it's good play to vote for who you think is scummiest at this stage of the game, still has a vote on someone who hasn't posted."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Jezz is pushing that it is best to vote for the scummiest but has a vote on a player without even a post."

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BirdAndBeast

- Post 208

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Thez is an overjustifier. Thez votes a player without a post claiming it was for pressure. After this, he hops on the VI wagon while defending his old vote. Thez plays the can't 'prove' he's scum card. Thez's attitude is scummy. Thez also discredits the case against him claiming it was just sheeping and he attempted to make it looks as though we claimed to be obvtown just because we're a hydra. Thez alos provides nothing original. A look at his ISO reveals a fraud."

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Parama

- "unvote, vote: thezmon221"

Reasoning Paraphrase - "unvote, vote: thezmon221"

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ArcAngel9

- "Can't agree more.. Here you go..
Vote: thezmon"

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sure scumbuddy, I'll sheep you."

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SoraAdvent(Nachomamma)

- "tzmon is scum, yes, for reasons mentioned by others. Comfortable with voting tzmon for now, though I'm keeping an eye on unseencamo."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I'll sheep, but IGMEOUnseencamo."

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Baby Spice

- "Thez's #61 is kinda scummy all on it's own for me, just for answering a question directed at someone else."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Thez is scummy for answering questions asked of others."

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- "Caving your vote to follow the guy putting the most pressure on you is a good reason."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Thez dumped his vote because Parama pressured him."

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Ztife(unseencamo)

- Post 503

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Thez has pinged my scumdar. He used weak reasoning. A Thez lynch will be the most informative but if done quickly discussion will be shortened. Thez is a spite voter. I didn't like his Dumbledore RVS. He attempted to bandwagon Roger. Then follows up vengefully voting B&B. Finally he assaults ArcAngel to try and counter-wagon. Thez mentions many scum candidates but failed to produce a valid case on any of them. I'm sticking on my Thez vote but not for the reasoning of my predecessor."

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JohnnyFarrar

- "Mostly for having scumreads where my townreads are. Also because I don't even think it's possible to lynch someone with this many people."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Thez's scumreads are my townreads. I also don't believe a D1 lynch will happen in a game this large."

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Albus Dumbledore

- "I absolutely had to stop in the middle of reading post 85 and vote: thezmon."

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Half through reading Thez's post 85, I was so appalled that I had to stop and vote him even though said I thought he seemed town in my previous post 291."

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jeck(theomoaner)

- Post 476

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Thez is scum because of what The Mini-Librarian, Parama and Baby spice said about you. But I changed my vote to show Jal that I'm voting my top suspect rather than complicating things by avoiding scumhunting and just guessing who's scum on the wagon."

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Conclusion

- Fairly reasonable wagon. Though there are some very weak votes on this wagon, it appears there was much more thought put into the reasoning for the votes put on Thez by many players compared to the amount of thought put into the reasoning behind the current votes we're seeing on Sixx.

[SlySly]

njoseph had been on the Thez wagon too. He gave no reasoning for his vote when he voted in Post 182.

[SlySly]

Bumi, are you frickin lit?

I'm voting for AA. My case backs that vote up.

[SlySly]

I read through the thread. It was late when I finished my read through. When I gave my initial responses, I said I would dig in the next day and give more detail on my reads and most likely change my vote at that time. That is exactly what I did. Where's the problem?

[SlySly]

Lit = high (as in, what have you been smoking?)

What you were asking seemed to me as being obvious if you had actually read my posts. As you can see, I had no issue with explaining it to you again.

[SlySly]

vote sixx

better chhance of getting a lynch here. scum is scum.

In your opinion, what makes Sixx scum?

[SlySly]

And please, NJ. Please look more pro-town

NJ buddy found.

[SlySly]

Jal, would you say the majority of games you play on this site are large theme games?

[SlySly]

Jal, all I play are large theme games. Multiple scum groups are very common on this site in large theme games. Peruse the games on my wiki if you think I'm blowing smoke. I've already explained that I've spotted a group and their connections to each other and that I've also spotted a scummy player that doesn't seem to be connected to the other group. My thoughts are plain common sense and are far from scummy.

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Bumi, you having a townread on AA is not scummy in itself. What's scummy is how you've come to her defense every time someone has suggested she is scum.

[SlySly]

Because she is scum and you have relentlessly defended her.

[SlySly]

I see a good amount of games (in this forum) that aren't multiball. There's no point to start off the game categorizing people into different scum groups assuming multiball without flips. I get categorizing them and making decisions on how people just aren't connected, especially if one flips scum, but starting off with the assumption of multiball I just don't see the "common sense" in that.

Also, all I see in the group you posted that they seem to be a bit buddy buddy with each other. I usually find that is one sided, and not something scum just all do with and to each other.

Well Jal, you call it your way and I'll call it mine. Every group of scum is different and scum even make mistakes, shudder the thought.

I have played in plenty of games in this forum that had multiple scum groups. There may not be multiple scum groups in this game, but my initial read through has made me think there very well could be.

[SlySly]

Even if she is scum which I highly doubt why would I publicly defend her in this manner especially if it is according to you "multiball"?

Multiball is irrelevant in regards to your defense of AA.

It's possible that you are not very good at playing scum and haven't yet realized that defending your scumbuddy so strongly puts a bullseye not only on your back, but your scumbuddy's as well.

[SlySly]

What will you do when I flip town? Will you continue down this path that we three are buddies?

What will you do if ArcAngel flips town?

Obviously if any of you 3 flip town, I will reevaluate my reads.

How is it irrelevant?

You wouldn't be defending someone from a group you didn't know existed.

I may be new to this site but I'm not entirely new to the concept of mafia the game. I know that you want your partners living longer than town. Why would I tie myself to someone so strongly so early in a game? Especially if another mafia faction exists?

1. See my last post. Scum make poor choices sometimes.
2. If you are mafia, I doubt seriously that the mod told you about another group of mafia. That makes it irrelevant.

[SlySly]

I had voted for thez, but I don't see my vote in this analysis. What gives?

I was using the last count. That's how I missed NJ originally. He was in the second to last count. You had jumped off that wagon long before the name lists I was using as reference.

[SlySly]

When you supposedly get onto a scum team of three people in a 25 man game, yeah, that would essentially be the mod telling you you're playing multiball.

I never said my lists were comprehensive and that the team was made up of just 3. I just listed the ones I spotted defending each other strongly. Then I listed NJ separately because he didn't fit in the defender group.

Your scum buddy scenario seems to be that all the scum decided to buddy each other and made poor choices regardless of experiences. Not buying it.

I don't care if you buy it or not. Face it, even people with experience fuck up sometimes. Some around this site just can't get that through their head.

[SlySly]

One can easily deduce whether there is another scum team or not if they get into a large game with few scum team members.

You are missing the point. I never said that was the entire team. I didn't specify a team size.

[SlySly]

9 votes on two people. I HATE IT, guys. HATE IT.

Well, you really only have 6 votes on you. The Sixx wagon is full of scum.

[SlySly]

3 singleton wagon voters; three votes needed to lynch Sixx. Hmm ...

Hmmm, four people not voting. Why aren't you prodding them?

[SlySly]

I'm a JK.

Did you breadcrumb this anywhere?

[SlySly]

UNVOTE: ArcAngel

VOTE: NJ

[SlySly]

Ztife(unseencamo) wagon analysis

The Wagon:

Ztife (9): Nachomamma8, BirdAndBeast, jeck, Jal, Edosurist, Sixx, thezmon221, The Mini-Librarian, njoseph

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Nachomamma8(SoraAdvent) -

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So you're saying you wouldn't mind lynching a useless townie over an obvscum in your eyes?

This is a hell of a misrep of Sixx's #910. Sixx said that he was voting nj over ztife even though ztife was higher on his scumlist because it didn't look like a Ztife lynch was going through. This is the conclusion Ztife draws from it, and this is why Ztife voted Sixx.

My opinion:

- In 916, Ztife changed

you are higher scum on my list

into obvscum.

I agree that this looks to me like...

"Let me ever so slightly misrep to give my rhetoric the extra punch it needs."

There's no town motivation in such a tactic.

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BirdAndBeast

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I rly want to lynch AJ.

Sixx, can you claim some flavor? Paraphrase it obviously?

P-edit: good posting VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "AJ's my desired target. However, I'm willing to sheep any wagon that lynch any townie."

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jeck (theomoaner) -

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Seems like there's not going to be a lynch on Sixx after all, I'll go back to Ztife now and hope that more people come.
I will never lynch nsjoseph when we've so much better alternatives.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZTife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Looks like no Sixx lynch, I'll hop to Ztife and Derp! I will never lynch NJ."

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Jal (heathera) -

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JK is kinda a weird role to claim if a scum role blocker though. Why not just claim roleblocker then if that's their actual role? Yeah, I buy it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - No reason specified.

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Edosurist (DayVigilante) -

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VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - No reason specified.

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Sixx

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@Nacho I feel like thats a very WIFOM situation but I am going to trust you.

UNVOTE: Nj

VOTE: Ztife Time for me to sleep.

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Heat's off! Time for me to sheep. vote:Ztife. Nighty-night."

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thezmon221

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nj, if you intend on hammering him, why don't you just vote for him anyway? We all know now that you have preemptive intent to hammer. It's like he has 8 votes now (including mine) even though he only has 7 technically. Besides, we know that Sixx is probably not going to be lynched today seeing as how the wagon dissolved as it has so far.

I also said earlier when the question was first erupted (By either Jal or B&B) that if the Ztife wagon gained steam, I would join. I will stick to my word.

VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sixx got away. I'll hop to Ztife as I promised to do earlier."

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The Mini-Librarian

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Since I'm terribly behind, I iso'd ztife to see what the ruckus was all about.

I saw 916, threw up a little bit in my mouth and made this post.

VOTE: ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I haven't been keeping up with the thread so I'll sheep Nacho and claim that post 916 makes me naseous."

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njoseph

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YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR Ztife because he's the information lynch for today. Period.

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Ztife's alignment is unimportant, you should vote him for information. Period."

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Conclusion

- The wagon is shaky at best. Nacho presented a scummy action by Ztife and many have sheeped Nacho's reasoning again. I believe there is no town motive for the action that Nacho pointed out.

UNVOTE: NJ

If my counting is correct, Ztife is at L-2 now. I am ready and willing to hammer Ztife. I would vote now but I don't want scum coming in to hammer without Ztife having a chance to claim.

Ztife, you should claim now that you are sitting at virtual L-1.

[SlySly]

Parama and Baby Spice joined the Ztife wagon after me gathering the initial list. Here is their wagon analysis...

Parama

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unvote, vote: Ztife

I wanna get outta dis club yo >.>

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I want to resign my position."

Baby Spice

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Thez, firstly I never said he shouldn't be lynched. Secondly, you quoted the reason in your post why I'm not exactly happy with the wagon. Or at least part of it so I know you read the rest of it.

Vote Ztife

I still would like to see Sixx claim his name and car though.

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sixx should have and still should fully claim(ed)."

[SlySly]

Slysly, are you reading? Because I dont have to fucking reprint my reasons for finding a slot scummy when I make a vote. (And I actually had my vote on that slot the entire time, lol)

Sorry, when I'm doing these wagon analysis, I'm looking at the time of the vote, not 200 posts earlier. It's scummy of you to not want to include your reasoning near your vote. If you want to look scummy, then continue on not "fucking reprint"ing your reasons for your vote on a particular slot.

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FFR:

You don't have to quote the entire wall post to comment on one point of it. Don't be a lazy fuck, dig the point out and make your retort.

[SlySly]

Yeah, okay, Spyspy is 100% scum.

Dude, you're pro! If you haven't already, you should contact the mafiascum corporate hq to get on salary for your skillz!

[SlySly]

ITT: SlySly criticizes every wagon ever. Although hilariously enough, doesn't mind hammering this one.

Don't hate cause Nacho is the only one giving reasons for his votes. What Nacho pointed out in this wagon was a lynchable offense, that's doesn't make the wagon a good one.

[SlySly]

If you thought what Nacho pointed out was a lynchable offense and Ztife became obv scum at post 916, then why the hell did you vote NJ? It's not like the wagon was bigger at the time.

Also, if you really felt that way, I sure didn't see you mention it in any of the three comments you made after he became obv scum. This also doesn't address anything else I pointed out pertaining to how you're calling people out people as being scummy for things you've done yourself - which is actually scummy.

There is this huge disconnect between what you're saying and how you're playing.

After the holiday and recovering from a pretty serious case of the flu, I came back in and saw NJ being his usual dumbass self so I OMGUS'd him.

After I did that, I began a wagon analysis. Doing the analysis is what lead me to see Ztife scum motivated action and in my next post I voted Z.

As far as the disconnect goes and what you think about it, I don't care.

[SlySly]

I think you're scum and I don't like how you're holding out for the hammer on this wagon either.

Oh shit, you caught me. Fuckin' waaaah!

[SlySly]

NJ, Ztife ain't gettin lynched now. He softclaimed a PR.

[SlySly]

As for you, SlySly, what about Ztife's claim is PRish?

If this is not a soft claimed PR to you...

Im Eric Stevenson and I drive a 1990 Honda Prelude.

I won't claim my role because it will affect town negatively for the NK tonight.

With the speed of this wagon and the vast amount of sheeps, think twice before you hammer me if you are really pro-town =)

...CandyLand is more your speed.

[SlySly]

NJ, Ztife ain't gettin lynched now. He softclaimed a PR.

HOLY CRAP
HOW IS NOBODY SEEING THIS?
IT'S LIKE HE'S WEARING A SHIRT AND HOLDING UP A SIGN PRONOUNCING HE'S SCUM
AND EVERYONE IS IGNORING IT!

How is it that you are so much better at scum hunting than everyone else in this game? I'm in awe of you!

[SlySly]

Even a vanilla townie could say the second sentence because if scum know who is a vanilla townie, they are theoretically more likely to a degree to target a P.R. in a N.K by avoiding a vanilla townie. This is a "negative effect."

You are almost as awesome as Parama, but not quite!

[SlySly]

Or is it just me?

It's just you.

And no I dont fucking need to waste everyone's time rehashing my reasons for suspecting someone when I vote them. THAT is fluffing the thread.

No, that's making things easier for the town to perform analysis. You keep doing it the scummy way, scum.

[SlySly]

I drive a 1990 Honda Prelude.

Wow! And I went thinking my car sucks.

[SlySly]

Prelude is flavor. Nothing more.

[SlySly]

NJ, you're scum, how do you know what a townie knows? You don't!

[SlySly]

Prelude is flavor. Nothing more.

[SlySly]

StrangerCoug, you are

Jeffrey Hope, the driver of a 2002 Chrysler PT Cruiser and a

vanilla townie

.

Inspired by the 1990s street racing gang in the Tokyo area, you've taken to racing the most famous streets in The City That Never Sleeps—Wall Street, Broadway, Fifth Avenue, you name it. Who the hell cares if there're a few people that don't want you on the road?

You have no gun, no badge, no first aid kit, no magic thingamajiggers, absolutely nothing special except for three things—your car, your brain, and voting abilities. But those three things are all you need to rule the streets of New York!

You win when all threats to the Midnight Racing Club have been eliminated from the game.

Please PM me back acknowledging that you understand and confirm your role. The thread is here and you're in a day start.

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I figure everybody has a name and I'm not going to toss mine out there or the ride I'm in right now though they are insignificant details.

Sixx, you are a Jailkeeper. You have received word of street racing going on in lower Manhattan. Dangerous drivers like those in the Midnight Racing Club need to be off the streets... and you've got handcuffs and a cell to make sure they STAY off.

Each night, you may PM me with the name of one player whom you would like to jailkeep. That player can neither use his or her ability nor be killed that night.

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So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

[SlySly]

So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

1. Jailkeeper in a car setup = cop car, all cops do these days is look for bad drivers :V
2. SC provided fake role PMs for the scum because this is a SC game, stop looking in to it

1. Thanks, I've never played a car setup before.
2. I'll not stop looking into anything if I think it will lead to exposing scum.

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SlySly, is your sig true?

Feel free to visit my wiki.

[SlySly]

Ha! Parama, how do you like them apples?!?

[SlySly]

So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

1. Jailkeeper in a car setup = cop car, all cops do these days is look for bad drivers :V
2. SC provided fake role PMs for the scum because this is a SC game, stop looking in to it

VOTE: Parama for defending his buddy and letting us all know that the scum in this game have been provided with fake role PMs.

[SlySly]

NJ, I just nailed scum and you vote me for it? You're a special one!

[SlySly]

NJ, I just nailed scum and you vote me for it? You're a special one!

Your nail was made out of bus scrap metal.

Keep telling yourself that.

[SlySly]

Blue scum says to me we are playing multiball. You guys are gonna start listening eventually.

[SlySly]

No indication of team given.

NYPD Mafia

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Because screw connections, AJ is scum.

[SlySly]

@SS: He didn't necessarily imply that he has a PR, but he probably does given the context. Personally, I would've just refrained from giving my role until L-1 came around, and then not try and hide it from people.

He was at virtual L-1. L-2 with my promise to hammer.

I wasn't going to leave him hanging for scum to come and knock him off without chance for a claim. I really don't like the softclaim either, but the implications of it aren't that hard to read.

[SlySly]

He didn't catch scum anything. He is taking credit for something he never did.

The fuck if I didn't. I spotted a glaring conflict in alignment from Sixx's claim. I called him on it. It didn't take long for me to be proven correct.

[SlySly]

He is also now backtracking on Ztife scum. He thought Ztife was "obv scum" starting at post 916. Please look at his wagon ISO crap. Given how he thought Ztife was obv scum, how in the world was he holding off the hammer from scum knocking Ztife off without a claim? Also, how would that be bad if he thought Ztife was scum?

I'm not backtracking on shit. What Ztife did was scummy, but he has claimed a town PR now. It's still possible that Ztife is scum, but due to his claim, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Jal, is this your first game? Sometimes townies do scummy things.

If Ztife isn't scum and I put him at L-1 and scum came in and knocked him off without him having a chance to claim, how would that be good?

[SlySly]

Too lazy to check and see Slysly's reaction to Sixx's claim right now.

My reaction to Sixx's claim is why Sixx is dead.

[SlySly]

After Ztife soft claimed a town PR, I reviewed Sixx's claim. This reaction to that review is why Sixx is dead. It's indisputable.

StrangerCoug, you are

Jeffrey Hope, the driver of a 2002 Chrysler PT Cruiser and a

vanilla townie

.

Inspired by the 1990s street racing gang in the Tokyo area, you've taken to racing the most famous streets in The City That Never Sleeps—Wall Street, Broadway, Fifth Avenue, you name it. Who the hell cares if there're a few people that don't want you on the road?

You have no gun, no badge, no first aid kit, no magic thingamajiggers, absolutely nothing special except for three things—your car, your brain, and voting abilities. But those three things are all you need to rule the streets of New York!

You win when all threats to the Midnight Racing Club have been eliminated from the game.

Please PM me back acknowledging that you understand and confirm your role. The thread is here and you're in a day start.

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I figure everybody has a name and I'm not going to toss mine out there or the ride I'm in right now though they are insignificant details.

Sixx, you are a Jailkeeper. You have received word of street racing going on in lower Manhattan. Dangerous drivers like those in the Midnight Racing Club need to be off the streets... and you've got handcuffs and a cell to make sure they STAY off.

Each night, you may PM me with the name of one player whom you would like to jailkeep. That player can neither use his or her ability nor be killed that night.

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So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

[SlySly]

Jal is scum with NJ.

[SlySly]

Jal, read this...

Yeah. That's pretty much what caught my attention that something was amiss.

...now stfu.

[SlySly]

Yeah, this:

So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

Is not spotting a glaring conflict of any kind.

If it's not, then you don't have a townie role pm like I do.

[SlySly]

Ha! Keep digging.

[SlySly]

Actually, that just just means you aren't connected to Sixx and and the NYPD scum only heh.

Oh you finally agree we're in a multiball game?

[SlySly]

Because I used the the role pm

you quoted in your initial post which is in the OP

that you used, you know, for your glaring example and I can't see it.

Then you obviously don't have a townie role PM like mine.

[SlySly]

Oh fuck I think I see it now. Why not vote him for it?

Well, I was getting around to it when Parama came in and tried to save Sixx and told us that scum had been given fake role Pms. Then Sixx got axed. That left Parama as the obvious vote getter.

[SlySly]

Really the thing that bothers me the most about bumi's play here is his sense of detatchment (he was loud as FUCK with his reads before)...

AA and Bumi were both a lot louder before I called them out as scum buddies.

[SlySly]

Jal is scum with NJ.

Sounds like the early signs of OMGUS right here (notes before reading the rest. After further evaluation, it’s more Jal being derpish, but still I see SS getting a tad bit scummier.)

Jal's head seems to be screwed on tightly now. I'm leaning town on her at this particular moment.

[SlySly]

Updated -

Scum team A:

ArcAngel
Bumi
B&B

Scum not on team A:

NJ
Parama
Edosurist

Sixx

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These lists are not necessarily comprehensive.

[SlySly]

These lists are not necessarily comprehensive.

[SlySly]

Thez, I don't whats your theory but my reasons of voting Ztife was same as you, he so far has done nothing than let the people accuse him. If he is a townie, so be it.
anybody who acts scum, does things like scum, makes them scum if they're townie.

And whats your theory on SlySly, He has done nothing than just making a scum A list , B list, C list and D list....blah blah on every page than doing any actual scum hunting.

Tldr, "DERP!"

[SlySly]

AJ has seemed town to me, but that whole AA interaction seemed very strange to me. I have no problem calling AA scum still, she's done nothing to shake my early suspicions about her; she's only reinforced them.

[SlySly]

OMGUS!! I sure didn't see that coming.

[SlySly]

B&B, can you point out real insight in AA's posts?

[SlySly]

Town got bonus.. a Scum is dead.

Thank me for that. Your Derpnesty.

[SlySly]

Kind of agree, but she is newer. Nhammen just looks like hes hiding behind wall posts to look like hes doing something.

I smell what you're cooking.

AA is omgusing, AtEing, and in general not giving a shit about appeasing people.

Can you focus real hard and point out where she is scum hunting?

[SlySly]

Last time I check you didn't vote Sixx, I hardly doubt if you had anything to do about his mod kill.
and Is there anyone you bother to even look other than me..? Stalker!!!

What do you think this...

Yeah. That's pretty much what caught my attention that something was amiss.

...meant?

You do realize my vote isn't even on you, right?

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B&B, thanks for the deflection to PMysterious.

[SlySly]

@B&B

Why is AA more voteworthy than PMysterious?
1. AA has been scummy in this game.
2. If AA isn't scum, her derptitude makes her a liability to the town.

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What is your take on what Parama said immediately prior to the modkill?

[SlySly]

And your non-answer to my question has earned you a non-answer which I will invoke at some point when I really cant give a shit about a question you are asking me in the future.

I am at work right now. I only had time to skim over Pm's iso. Even with a quick skim, it is obvious that PM has far more experience than AA and is nowhere near AA's level of derp! Is there something specifically scummy about PM you would like me to ponder over?

[SlySly]

AA was saying I have done no scum hunting. I was wanting one of her supporters to direct me to some scum hunting that she has been doing.

[SlySly]

Shouldn't you be asking AA why I am a better lynch than PMyst?

[SlySly]

Nacho hits me strongly as town.

[SlySly]

^ Dear lord, obv

town

DERP doesnt come much more obvious than this post.

Fixed

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Oh, the irony of Pmyst.

[SlySly]

^ Dear lord, obvtown doesnt come much more obvious than this post.

SlySly has become pain in the wrong place... Its frustrates me when people don't have logics and tries to make a connection to it..
that is kind of behaviour is obviously scummy...

How is on the earth he surely knows that i am scum, unless he is the scum and knows that i am townie.

Iso me, your derpness, and you will find I stated why you are scummy long ago. Nothing has changed since then, including the reasoning.

[SlySly]

Hello? where are those reasons, can you quote them now??

I present to you Post 584.

[SlySly]

Why do you have such a scum read on someone who is probably just a newbie being stupid about no lynching which happens in almost every game with a newbie?

I came in and called out the scumminess I saw in my read through.

AA and Bumi practically disappeared after that. Just recently, AA has returned and I'm having new discussion now that is showing me exactly how newb AA is. Newb does not excuse scummy, but I'm aware that newbness can = scumminess.

Notice, my vote is not on AA.

[SlySly]

Good and i got same thoughts on you. Infact, I feel postive that you're trying to frame me becuz

I think you know what exactly my role is..

that makes you scum

What the hell?

Exactly!

She caught me, I'm her scum buddy and I know her role exactly! Oh wait, I must be a rolecop that had a N0 investigation, which my predecessor just randomly used on AA. Well, shit, that would make me town. DERP!

[SlySly]

I'm not pushing B&B around at all. B&B is a big hydra and is well capable of holding their own.

You don't have a clue if I'm scum or not, you are voting me only because you don't like me/my style.

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LOL @ B&B

:

You are so right, how could I forget the glaring truth? I'm a Day Rolecop and my predecessor just randomly used it on AA! B&B will just not break the connection to AA. B&B stop, let AA defend herself.

B&B how is voting someone just because you don't like their playstyle protown? That's exactly what AA is doing and you know it.

[SlySly]

Just to make it clear, my case on AA is withdrawn because she is not capable of what I accused her of. Does that make her town? No. Does B&B vehemently defending her make her town? No.

Derp <> town.

Derp <> scum.

Currently, on my chart, she sits at a couldn't be any more null. I really don't see anyway she can get out of this position either. I will say this, if she is town, scum will never lynch or NK AA because they want her in the end game.

[SlySly]

Sorry, I didn't update and repost that list since my new declaration 2 minutes that came after much discussion. I promise my list will be updated by the next time I post it.

[SlySly]

EBWOP:

my new declaration 2 minutes ago

[SlySly]

But since you continue to insist on defending AA, I've just change my read again.

AA is leaning scum because of B&B's heat seeking defense.

No need to update my list.

[SlySly]

AA, if you are town, please replace out.

[SlySly]

I'm not seeing how B&B's actions are incriminating AA here.

You didn't see how I got Sixx killed either.

[SlySly]

P=edit: what does that have to do with B&B and AA though?

B&B will not stop defending AA. Scum defend weaker scum. Sometimes the obvious is good enough.

[SlySly]

Holy fuck, this Slysly V AA waste of time needs to end.

Without your defense, it would have ended long ago. You know my case was based on these connections. I've been trying to clear them, but all you keep doing is defending AA every step of the way.

[SlySly]

I still love how you made a single comment on Sixx's role claim and he was MKed, and you take ALL of the credit for his death. You weren't even on his wagon so shut it. To be honest, you can BARELY be credited for the comment anyway.

Hater's gonna hate. I have mod-confirmation that it was my action that lead to the MK. Hate on.

[SlySly]

Hey thez, now that you bring it up. Can you point out where anyone else in the game pointed out that Sixx posted his alignment in the thread? So, who noticed it? So, who should be credited?

[SlySly]

I'm just stating the obvious when the haters place down some hate.

[SlySly]

EBWODP: In fact you are the leading wagon. So yeh.

And you're still not on it.

[SlySly]

Oh, nhammen, have you ever been in a game where there was blue scum and there wasn't red scum?

[SlySly]

He softclaimed a town PR. Then Sixx got modkilled and flipped

NYPD Mafia

. Votes reset.

Nice to see you're caught up reading the thread!

[SlySly]

So, does that make you think this game is multiball?

[SlySly]

I have a town read on SlySly, but if this game turns out to be multiball, that read flips to a scumread instantly.

So, am I a scumread now?

[SlySly]

please...Spare me the horror!!!
I dont want to see your stupid point less lists.... nor anyone thinks they're worth of reading.

Didn't I make pointing this out the third post from me in the game?

No, actually in your 2nd post, ...

Don't bother reading the shit from Slysly, he needs a TLDR version that doesn't quote half the game.

You dismissed my case as "shit" because it had too many quotes in it. You never referenced my lists. Sorry, I was scummy and included evidence while I was making a case.

[SlySly]

I'll go a step farther and post it all together so everyone knows exactly what's being discussed here and who is asking what...

Oh, nhammen, have you ever been in a game where there was blue scum and there wasn't red scum?

Not that I can think of. Why?

So, does that make you think this game is multiball?

Note: I believe it is very likely multiball.

I have a town read on SlySly, but if this game turns out to be multiball, that read flips to a scumread instantly.

So, am I a scumread now?

Hmmm... I forgot about that. Tough one. You did consider multiball before everyone else, but the logic you used for many of these wagons was quite sound, and also

1. I don't think scum would have gone out and reminded me to consider them as a scumread

.

2. As scum, I would think that you would hope I'd forget about that. I know that if roles were reversed I would.

I added the numbering on the bold for emphasis.

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Anyone with a brain that thinks I am scum, just look at the straws I'm grasping for desperately hoping to appear townie in the above.

[SlySly]

Darthe, did Bumi specifically defend Sixx on N0 in the QT?

[SlySly]

Slysly, you do realize Ive never called you scum this game. And nhammens a scumbag.

Yes, I'm aware you have refrained from committing to having a scumread on me. In fact, at points, you've clearly leaned town on me. I've considered your stance on nhammen and I'm not currently convinced you're right about him.

[SlySly]

Darthe, did Bumi specifically defend Sixx on N0 in the QT?

No? That would make no damn sense. She specifically detracted from his lynch and pushed on players on it in the thread. but don't just take my word on it, read for yourself.

Is this what you're talking about?

I don't agree with the wagon on Sixx. I invite you all to come onto my Nhammen wagon. He isn't really doing anything to further town getting more information.

I didn't agree with the wagon on Sixx either because it was a sheep wagon.

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The only other thing I see is Bumi supporting the Sixx wagon.

I like Nacho's analysis of Sixx and I am willing to place a vote there but I think Aj needs to be looked at too.

VOTE: Sixx

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Bumi is on my scum list for different reasons, please show me exactly what you are accusing Bumi of, because I looked for it and can't find it.

[SlySly]

Bumi, Then don't divert the game by voting yourself, I understand if you're busy.. If you self sacrifice yourself or mod killed and if you're a townie, it is not a good thing for town.
so i rather expect you to ask for replacement. i know that replacement after 55 pages would be drastic for a player who accepting it but the choice they are willing to take.

so go on.. and ask for replacement, at least its better than killing yourself.

Scum buddy coaching.

[SlySly]

I can use WIFOM too...

I can spout total BS and then go into hiding and ignore all questions relating to my stated BS after being put in my place for it too...

[SlySly]

Darthe is weird

Yep, I'm leaning scum on him. But I don't think he's on your team.

[SlySly]

I am referring to thezmon221.

[SlySly]

@Edosurist

Eventually the sum of the innaccurate tells becomes an accurate tell conglomerate.

See watch...

Spotted AA scum tells:
Ad Hom
AtE
Buddying
Bussing
Lack of scum hunting
OMGUS
Role Fishing
Sheeping
Scum buddy coaching

.

[SlySly]

Think you're wrong on Slysly

Why, because of your ridiculous rule of 3?

[SlySly]

To my knowledge, I've not ignored any questions, but if I did, feel free to bring it up and I'll answer it.

Hey thez, now that you bring it up. Can you point out where anyone else in the game pointed out that Sixx posted his alignment in the thread? So, who noticed it? So, who should be credited?

[SlySly]

Hey thez, now that you bring it up. Can you point out where anyone else in the game pointed out that Sixx posted his alignment in the thread? So, who noticed it? So, who should be credited?

There, isn't that better?

Now, I know you made the comment on his PM, but irregardless you never really contributed much of anything regarding him, which is what I was getting at originally. The closest you came was a Ztife wagon analysis.

No, nobody else made a comment, but even then, you said yourself that this is multiball. Assuming it is, you could easily be a part of the SECOND mafia because of what I just said - you never really contributed much. From what I saw in your ISO, I believe that was the only real comment directly involving Sixx.

Thez, what did you contribute to Sixx's demise?

I analyzed Sixx's wagon as well. It was a sheep wagon. Only Nacho gave a real reason for being on it. So, outside of my action, only Nacho could truly take any credit for outting Sixx.

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Yeah, that's it Baby Spice. You figured it out! If you think I'm scum, get back on my wagon and push it through. Same goes for you thez.

[SlySly]

Because your scum and I'd rather be BFF with a townie.

Are you only voting Ztife because he's only soft claimed?

[SlySly]

His responses, however, are becoming increasingly pitiful. I feel like he's simply calling people out now. It doesn't even feel like "I'm grabbing town points"... More like 'Ha, I did something'.

If I haven't gained any town points with you, you are either scum or you need seriously put your ego in check when reading others. Scum, especially the ones that have been around the site as long as I have been, don't go out of their way to draw attention to themselves.

[SlySly]

Yeah, that's it Baby Spice. You figured it out! If you think I'm scum, get back on my wagon and push it through. Same goes for you thez.

I honestly don't give a fuck what tipped SC to notice that. In my mind, it's nothing important.

Man, the Bumi wagon is a creepy one... Nj, Darthe, JS, Peregrine...

Vote:Zstife

I also hate arguments like "Lovers/Neighbors are GENERALLY different fractions". Generally doesn't work for me. Nor do I believe that is entirely true. I think scum through a QT would be too easy to spot when put there with a townie. Basically, something I wouldn't put too much thought into. Rather, look at the play. I was thinking of voting for Bumi but I've been worried about multiple players on said wagon (all but PV, and that may just be lack of reading into him). I'd go for the Sly wagon, generally; most of my town reads are on it. But, Zstife did something half way, and that's not going to sit. A partial claim is just smoke in the water, it won't help me much. I also am not sure about how much legitimacy there is to lynching Sly. I feel his ego is a little out of sorts right now, but that's not something you lynch on.

His responses, however, are becoming increasingly pitiful. I feel like he's simply calling people out now. It doesn't even feel like "I'm grabbing town points"... More like 'Ha, I did something'.

I'm up for looking into Darthe much more closely. I haven't liked his reactions while I was on Njoseph, he was basically trying to be the wolf shepherding sheep.

This is fluff to make your vote appear meaningful. The reality is, you go out of your way to say a lot of negative things about others and then sheep on to a wagon without reason where the target wasn't any of the people you are calling out. That's a scumtell.

[SlySly]

B&B:

If you want to make a good faith show for being my BFF, join me on the AJ wagon. Ztife has basically claimed a town PR so give him some slack and see if he hangs himself with it. If he doesn't produce now, he's an obvious lynch target for later days. If he is telling the truth, it would be better to make scum NK him than for us to gift them with his lynch.

Combining AJ's avoidance with the AA question and his recently fluff sheep vote, I'm fully in support of an AJ lynch.

Let's roll into N1 with 2 dead scum!

UNVOTE: Parama

VOTE: AJ The Epic

[SlySly]

I was just looking through a bit and it is very interesting to see the sheer number of you talking about voting me without any reason or any vote backing it. This is clearly a push away from Bumi to turn my reveal on me and as such I will be casing all of this for the lot of you very soon. It will become quickly apparent.

I'm not voting you, but I see plenty of reason to. You don't like others providing evidence. You don't provide evidence for your cases. You claim shit to be there that isn't. You avoid answering questions. What more do we need?

[SlySly]

Do we play the same game?

No, in the game I play, we support our stances with evidence that exists.

[SlySly]

You really swing easy, don't you. I like the fact that your opinion on people is so very reaction-based.

This game is all about reactions.

If you think that's fluff, then I guess you're just waiting for everyone to claim. I gave my reason for my vote (Nothing about wanting a lynch, rather a full claim to something half-assedly done) and my opinion on the Bumi wagon.

I saw your reason the first time through. The second time through I couldn't find it. It was buried between some BS about me and stated very vaguely.

I haven't liked Dathe at all in this game, as expressed.

Learn to read what I write, rather than disregard it as fluff. Perhaps you'll get a read.

I'm reading.

UNVOTE: AJ The Epic

B&B missed a great chance to be my BFF.

VOTE: Darthe

[SlySly]

Uhh... I said I didn't think he was scummy and explained why I felt so. My problem still is, as it seems you don't like to read things fully, that you took full credit for his death when you made a single comment, but didn't do anything else even regarding Sixx. No real mentioning why you think he's scum/town, no real interaction with any of that stuff.

After the Ztife soft claim, I reexamined what Sixx had said. I started an interaction with him. At that point he got MK'd because of what I pointed out. Before that, I had looked at the reasoning behind his wagon, and there wasn't any good reasoning.

[SlySly]

Honestly, at this point (and this is not me trying to cop out), we're going to have to agree to disagree. We've basically said the same things to each other in regards to this that I think we should drop it and move on. If it's used in a case later on then sure, it'll come up again, but right now we are accomplishing nothing in this aspect.

I'm not agreeing to your cop out.

You just refuse to accept that it was my action, which was due to something I spotted and started interaction with Sixx about, that got Sixx MK'd. You are refusing to accept it even though there was basically mod confirmation of what I am saying.

[SlySly]

That's because you're scum.

[SlySly]

This whole time you've been acting like you're all that because you commented on his message and got him Mod Killed and he was mafia. It was by chance and your arrogance is extremely irritating.

I don't care about being all that, but facts are facts. It was not by chance or arrogance. I reviewed what Sixx posted, then I reviewed my PM. I saw a glaring difference. I called him on it. Me doing so, brought on the MK. Accept it dude. The mod confirmed it. Do I need included that post for you again?

[SlySly]

in addition to that, his handling of the sixx wagon (jumped on nj wagon to save him)
and the hesitation in voting ztife (he voted for a little while, and then hopped off and voted AJ)

Who does "his" and "he" refer to in this?

[SlySly]

Sure, you stated why you think the wagon is bad, but do you think Sixx is bad? And then you go and start shit with people and I can't even call half of that scumhunting, especially when almost all of your arguments have to do with your arrogance.

That is why I was questioning Sixx about what he posted. I spotted something bad, I questioned him on it. Parama scummily stepped up and answered for Sixx. He confirmed that there was a cop faction and told me to quit scum hunting.

So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

1. Jailkeeper in a car setup = cop car, all cops do these days is look for bad drivers :V
2. SC provided fake role PMs for the scum because this is a SC game, stop looking in to it

Very shortly after the mod stepped in and showed me how bad Sixx was.

My response to Parama's above, was posted with the same time as the MK (1/7/2013 6:58).

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Thx, B&B

[SlySly]

UNVOTE: Darthe

VOTE: Ztife

Full claim or die.

[SlySly]

UNVOTE: Ztife

[SlySly]

NJ, who's makes up your scum list?

[SlySly]

I already told you that your post got him killed

Unless I missed something, and you are encouraged to prove me wrong, this is your first admission of this point.

[SlySly]

@SlySly: It was in a paragraph I wrote, so I would understand how you mised it, especially how it wasn't really the focus of the paragraph, but here it is:

This whole time you've been acting like you're all that because

you commented on his message and got him Mod Killed and he was mafia.

It was by chance and your arrogance is extremely irritating. All you've done is made that comment, a Ztife wagon, and made the comment on Sixx. You haven't made a comment about Sixx other than your analysis of his wagon, not even a read about him. Sure, you stated why you think the wagon is bad, but do you think Sixx is bad? And then you go and start shit with people and I can't even call half of that scumhunting, especially when almost all of your arguments have to do with your arrogance.

Got it. Forgive me for any further questioning about it after this point.

[SlySly]

I'm in favor of a Darthe lynch, as well. When he makes a case, he doesn't provide evidence. Instead he says, look it up for yourself, you'll see it. Then you go and look and what he said was there, doesn't exist. Then when questioned about it, he just ignores the question to avoid revealing the truth that he's talking out of his ass.

VOTE: Darthe

[SlySly]

Is English your first language?

Yes, it's my only language. Just unlike you, my voice box is not in my colon.

[SlySly]

No seenior, pleeenty balanced here! Andele, andele!!

[SlySly]

Then why not vote him?

I did.

[SlySly]

Well, you're not voting him right now.

What's the proper length of time to sit on a 2 vote wagon?

[SlySly]

I voted him after I made the statement that ckd pointed out.

[SlySly]

I didn't say my vote was still on him.

[SlySly]

So unless you can make a substantial case (which can be quite difficult) then it can be more helpful to vote someone who you think is less scummy.

I think what Parama did got lost in Sixx's modkill. I spelled out clearly what he did. Jal saw it later. But, for the most part, no one else seemed too concerned about it. He gave Llama a free pass of "there's no telling what was in my predecessor's head".

Here's his response to me calling him out...

So Sixx, are dangerous drivers scum in your mind?

1. Jailkeeper in a car setup = cop car, all cops do these days is look for bad drivers :V
2. SC provided fake role PMs for the scum because this is a SC game, stop looking in to it

VOTE: Parama for defending his buddy and letting us all know that the scum in this game have been provided with fake role PMs.

I am now under the impression Slysly isn't reading the game.
He's scum though, so it's excusable.

vote: Slysly

I should have pushed harder here, because it's obvious he's full of it, but that opportunity is gone now.

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On a side note Arc should not be left alive in lylo as a policy, I find her possibly town and probably scumming because she's learning rather than scummy because she is scum. I don't know though it could just be she's learning but she happens to be scummy.

Agreed.

[SlySly]

AA, the explanation is obvious, you just don't get it.

[SlySly]

Darthe, dear lord just answer CKD so he'll stop being an in-thread. douche

How exactly is asking someone questions and pointing out their refusal to answer them being a "douche"? I thought that was called scumhunting.

[SlySly]

So, unless you want to contend Darthe is scum-idiot, he's most likely town who thinks Bumi is scum.

I can get down with this reasoning.

UNVOTE: Darthe

VOTE: LlamaFluff for his predecessor's slip just prior to the modkill.

[SlySly]

These are the kinds of things that tell me Peregrine and NJoseph are town and make me suspect Slysly more.

Which part of what I said pinged your faulty scumdar?

[SlySly]

These are the kinds of things that tell me Peregrine and NJoseph are town and make me suspect Slysly more.

Which part of what I said pinged your faulty scumdar?

Ya know, I started to ISO you and multiquote to answer this but then a realized I was clicking literally every post (save 2). It's just shitty to read and see, honest to god. You have earned your signature.

Yes, I have. Now tell me what part of what I said pinged your scumdar. Focus on the one thing you pointed out.

[SlySly]

Compelling case, AJ.

[SlySly]

Where?

Start at post 1092 where I ask Sixx about his post.
In post 1095 Parama answers for Sixx and tells me to quit digging.
In post 1098, Sixx is modkilled showing that what Parama said was not true.
In post 1099 I tell Parama I will not stop pursuing anything I feel will expose scum.
In post 1102, I vote Parama for this scumminess.

[SlySly]

Forgive me, I mistated. What Parama really did in 1095 was confirm a Cop faction prior to the modkill.

Sixx was modkilled for quoting a portion of his PM.

[SlySly]

I'm not jumping to conclusions. NYPD is not MRC. Parama confirmed that in the game, cops are their own faction.

[SlySly]

EBWOP: in this game

[SlySly]

It really looks he just used mod meta to make a deduction.

Or, he's playing it off as mod meta to buy a free pass. The stop diggin on it part is the one that comes off as him having this game knowledge.

[SlySly]

Parama never said anything about Cops being a faction. At all.

This sounds like Cop faction confirmation to me.

1. Jailkeeper in a car setup = cop car, all cops do these days is look for bad drivers :V

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But what he did do is mention Cop cars before anybody else (including the mod; including Sixx himself) had done so. It's too bad Parama isn't here to answer for this. I feel kinda guilty doing this to a replacement.
VOTE: Llama

Iso StrangerCoug, search for cop. Quote for me where the mod mentioned Cop cars. I don't see it.

[SlySly]

mod: my vote is currently on Llama

[SlySly]

Yes, SlySly, jail keeper seems to be a cop car role in the context of this game.

Oops, here's the full quotation from me.

Yes, but yours says "seems". And came across as you pondering the idea like a townie would.

Parama's was more definitive and came across as defense to save his buddy from my pointing out of Sixx's PM quote.

[SlySly]

LlamaFluff certainly won't be gotten on by me

MJ, earlier you sheeped on and made it a wagon after gaining an understanding of what I was saying and am still saying now. The context hasn't changed at all. This is not new to you. How was it scummy enough for a vote then and it's not now?

Parama, you say?
Parama time; he was next in line before SlySly on the original escalator to Hell. I can go with my escalator to Hell once again.

VOTE: Parama

[SlySly]

Okay, I see that (post 1201), but that's not me voting him in a way that has anything to do with "cop car."

Has the "cop car" discussion somehow changed your earlier opinion about Parama the scumminess of his actions, an opinion that was then worthy of you putting you vote on him?

[SlySly]

EBWOP: about the scumminess of Parama's actions,

[SlySly]

Llama, the main point of my case is the one you didn't address. Parama confirmed a Cop faction before the modkill. I know you didn't miss it, so that also tells me you know it's indisputable or you would have attempted to discredit it too.

He just followed up the part of the case you are trying to discredit. I've never played in a SC game that I am aware, so I'm not going to take Parama at face value, especially after his Cop faction confirming.

[SlySly]

The second one is even easier to discredit (although props for saying "yes point one is horrible" and trying to turn it around) because he NEVER SAID COPS ARE A FACTION.

To the contrary, here he definitely infers that this game is a car setup and in a car setup cops are their own faction.

1. Jailkeeper in a car setup = cop car, all cops do these days is look for bad drivers :V

[SlySly]

Just a few posts later, the mod confirmed it.

[SlySly]

"All cops do is look for bad drivers" sounds like a joke about cops only pulling people over for speeding IN REAL LIFE instead of "cops are a faction" because if he is calling cops a faction probably would have been voting what would have been confirmed scum to him.

Now who's stretching. That was not a joke. However you want to twist it, he confirmed that cops are not MRC in this game. Him telling me to stop digging confirms his lack of humor in his points.

You also ignored the fact that for your first part of the case (which you dismissed now) to be true Parama couldnt have been scum with Six because Six would have had a fakeclaim.

I didn't dismiss anything. Sixx's flip does not clear any other scum from having a fakeclaim.

[SlySly]

His actions wouldn't be so damning without the mod confirmation of it just a few posts later.

[SlySly]

Because really, for this to be true you need to assume that Parama KNOWS that Six is going to be caught by flavor but opts to defend him.

Wrong. I think Parama didn't notice it as a modkillable offense, I think he realized I had uncovered a lynchable offense and quickly stepped in to try and dismiss it.

NOW Parama is scum but not with Six but knows that the other faction is cop-scum who unlike Parama's faction doesnt have fakeclaims. Really your choice is one of three here

1) Sixx had a fakeclaim but didnt use it and Parama didnt bus him for it
2) Scum have no fakeclaims and Parama is scum who said they do
3) One scum faction has safeclaims and knows the flavor of the other faction and one scum faction doesnt have fakeclaims

or,

4) Parama has a different position in the NYPD faction that does have a fakeclaim.

[SlySly]

I've assumed Parama is scum with Sixx since the suspicion arose, not without. I've never inferred differently.

[SlySly]

Parama if cop scum would realize that Six claimed confirmed scum.

I'm saying Parama is NYPD scum. That doesn't necessarily make his role "cop".

Just to check - You are saying that Parama knows Six just scumclaimed, will be lynched at the latest the point where first cop scum flips, and starts defending him for that fact instead of continuing his over aggressive play and hard bussing him?

I'm saying I asked a question of Sixx. Parama aggressively came in and answered for Sixx. Parama had no idea Sixx was going to be modkilled, so he really had no reason to hard buss. There was no pressure on Sixx at the time. This was right after Ztife's soft claim and his wagon began to fizzle.

Again - your challenge for me if you want to persue this path: Show me a game where scum do not have any form of safeclaim when claiming their real role will get them lynched.

I don't need your approval, or Parama's who rudely told me to butt out about it, to pursue this or any other path I choose. Practically every game I've played in, scum didn't have fake claims given to them. In fact, I've only ever played in one they did.

I have seen ONE mod ever screw this up ever and that was them not giving a wierd win-condition third party any fakeclaim. Again, I really doubt SC breaks rank of what he has done for the last four years to suddenly make a poorly designed game.

So which one is it?

1) Six didnt use a fakeclaim and Parama decided to defend confirmed scum
2) SC didnt provide fakeclaims, Parama as scum said they do have fakeclaims
3) SC only gave safeclaims to Paramas faction but not Six's when cops are shown to be scum
4) SC only gave fakeclaims to some scum when the entire faction is scum by flavor

I've never played an SC game before. I explained which I thought it is, my #4 in my previous post.

[SlySly]

Wait - your entire point is that Parama slipped that cops are a faction. Now the cop faction isnt all cops?

All that is confirmed is we have an NYPD Mafia faction. There is no confirmation that all the roles in the NYPD Mafia faction are identical. In fact using common mafia sense, I'd be willing to bet the mafia factions in this game have equivalencies to goon, rb, and godfather.

You are again dodging the point. Regardless of modkill stuff, for what you claim to be true to be true - Parama would have realized Six scumslipped and was going to be caught for it and opted to defend him. Even if there is no pressure its still a slip.

I'm not dodging anything. Parama ain't perfect and is capable of fucking up. After the modkill, it made it appear to me that Parama was making those statements with inside information.

And im asking for the game, because if their real claims are going to get them lynched - scum ALWAYS have fakeclaims. You say they never have in your games - are you talking about things like opens and normals? Where there is no flavor? So there is no point of a fakeclaim?

Feel free to peruse my wiki. All I play are theme games. In 90% of those games, at least, scum were not provided fake claims by the mod.

So which one is it?

1) Six didnt use a fakeclaim and Parama decided to defend confirmed scum
2) SC didnt provide fakeclaims, Parama as scum said they do have fakeclaims
3) SC only gave safeclaims to Paramas faction but not Six's when cops are shown to be scum
4) SC only gave fakeclaims to some scum when the entire faction is scum by flavor

I've never played an SC game before. I explained which I thought it is, my #4 in my previous post.

Okay - but you are avoiding answering the question again. Which one is it? They all look pretty implausable to me at this point. Im assuming you are going to go for #1 though so....

Again, I'm not avoiding anything. You are trying to steer me into one of your 'not quite what sly really means' scenarios. My stance doesn't fit into any of your 4.

It's really closer to one of the following possibilities...

5) SC gave people in mafia factions different roles, some of which were provided fake claims and some which weren't and Parama instinctively responded, when the question was directed at Sixx, with defense of his same faction scumbuddy
6) SC provided fake claims for everyone in mafia factions and Sixx chose not to use his, and Parama instinctively responded, when the question was directed at Sixx, with defense of his in faction scumbuddy
7) SC provided no fake claims for anyone in mafia factions and Parama instinctively responded, when the question was directed at Sixx, with defense of his in faction scumbuddy, followed up with a lie about provided fake claims to gain towncred when it later becomes clear none have been provided

I'm pretty sure I can find a link to a game where not of all the scum used their mod provided fake claim when they claimed.

Slys case is

Parama realized that Six claimed cop so he would be confirmed NYPD scum which is maybe not only cops and has fakeclaims, yet Six decided not to use one. When Six claimed Parama realized that Six was going to be caught as scum as soon as it became obvious that NYPD was scum in the game and because of this he decided to start defending Six. In the event Parama is not NYPD scum he is other scum who has fakeclaims while the flavor screwed NYPD dont.

Basically that right?

Not quite...

Parama knew I spotted a Sixx fuck up. He intended to play it off like cops were good guys, but were chasing all bad drivers. But he really fucked up and indirectly confirmed the existence of a specific faction not knowing he was exposing himself too with the impending mod kill coming. As far as the mod provided fake claims go, refer to the 5, 6, and 7 possibilities above, and what Parama said about Sixx and fake claims in post 1122. And let's definitely not forget about Parama's response in post 1118 to my case against him, pure OMGUS. I think it's fairly obvious I have been reading the game, especially the part Parama accused me of not reading. My case never suggested that Parama and Sixx weren't in the same faction. In fact, I think it was pretty clear that I assumed they are in the same faction.

[SlySly]

He either is town who will refuse to consider he is wrong or scum (he also isnt reading my posts since he is suggesting stuff I already brought up). Most likely scum because while he is a below average player, he isnt close to being this below average.

First off, fuck you asshole. That I can remember, we've played in one game together, Big Brother. I was scum and my below average ass had your above average ass fooled. You even admit it in the thread. So fuck you again, dickhead.

Basically his entire case is Parama tried to defend what was essentially a scumclaim. No matter what way he spins it, thats what it falls back to when he gave up a couple main points.

I haven't given up any points.

Still waiting to see a game where scum have anti-town roles and didnt get a fakeclaim though. I think he knows no such game exists but refuses to find one because it eliminates about 90% of his theories.

You are so full of shit. I have played in one game where fake rolls were provided to scum. The rest of the games on my wiki, no roles were provided. In fact, what fake claims were provided in Big Brother, that you and I both played in? Let me remind you, none.

[SlySly]

Parama/LlamaFluff: Parama play is typical. Short, concise posts. Llama comes in and just tears Sly’s case on him to shreds. Pulls up evidence to refute Sly, pokes holes in Sly’s arguments, and generally shows that Sly made a really weak case.

No Llama came in and talked loud while twisting my words. His evidence didn't dispute my case at all.

[SlySly]

Also I love how Sly is using the "no safeclaim" arguement from not only a game I actually called the non-me scumteam entirely correct with the exception of Sly but also didnt need safeclaims as there was no flavor issues, kinda again proving the point that he isnt reading my posts.

If

flavor

needs there to be a fakeclaim then there

are

fakeclaims. If fakeclaims are NOT needed by flavor, they will only sometimes show up.

I'm reading your fucking posts. I have played in one game, Lord of the Rings, where fake claims were provided. Some of the scum used them in their claims, some of the scum claimed something other than their provided claims. In no other game that I have played were there any fakeclaims provided.

Am I supposed to make a game up just to satisfy your bullshit question?

[SlySly]

None are lurking harder than Albus and Pmyst.

[SlySly]

I'm loving how wrong Sly's reads have been.

Nice win, Jal. Reads are a lot easier when you are scum.