Khan's Wacky Xylbot Mafia (Mini 1418) - Game Over

[MrObvious]

Im afraid

OMGUS? I think not. Fear is obviously a trait of scum.

!Vote[Luckyjt]

[MrObvious]

Kthxbye is obviously mafia.

!Unvote
!Vote [Kthxbye]

[MrObvious]

If you can explain that, also explain why you would see this "Role Fishing" more likely scum motivated?

I know your question was addressed to shos, so I'll leave plenty of room for his response, but you've been ascummulating points already in this very short game, your rolefish was but one of

several

factors leading to my vote.

[MrObvious]

Like to share these several factors?

Sheeping 2x
Role fishing
Inferred inifference to alignment of desied lynch target

[MrObvious]

Crap!

EBWOP: Inferred indifference to alignment of desired lynch target

[MrObvious]

Is there a reason why you did not include these reasons with your original vote or in the previous post when you said that you had multiple reasons?

Yes, that's how I roll. The first instance is the type of vote that can create reactions and discussion. The second, I didn't want to step all over the question K had for shos, but I wanted to let know K know that I had more than one reason for my voting him.

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So you're list is now:

Sheeping 2x
Role fishing
Indifference to alignment of player who desires lynch
(I corrected this statement to more accurately show what's happening).

Fair enough. It's still early in the game. Someone scummier than you will most likely step forward soon, I'm just working with what I have at this moment.

[MrObvious]

What discussion/reactions did you hope to get? Because it does not seem like you received any. Also, what is the point of not wanting to "step all over" his question in that post when you explain your reasoning anyway in your next post?

I got no reaction from K. I see you missed TML asking me to elaborate.

[MrObvious]

Ok, then what reactions/discussion did you hope to generate beyond someone simply asking you for your reasoning?

I wasn't hoping for anything.

The first instance is the type of vote that can create reactions and discussion.

I made my vote and waited to see what became of it. And what's became of it, worthy of note thus far, is, no direct response from K, inquiry about details from TML, and this line of questioning from you that I'm not sure exactly has a point yet.

[MrObvious]

Your vote doesn't warrant a response

We've already discussed this.

[MrObvious]

Yes, you've brought it up twice for no apparent reason. If you actually wanted a response, why mention it at all? Me not responding is worthy of note how?

The first reference to it was an answer to TML. The second was just including it in a group of things that have happened since I placed my vote in an answer to a question Zang asked. Placing my vote was not 'wanting a response'. Your no response could mean that you are scum and something I've said is true and you don't want to bring attention to yourself about it. But like I said before, it's early, I'm not certain about anything yet.

[MrObvious]

You say that you tried to get discussion/reaction but there really wasn't anything that could spawn from it and even if it did, I don't see how it would be beneficial.

No, I didn't. Quit misrepping me. This is twice you have twisted what I said and I have had to quote what I really said for you.

The first instance is the type of vote that can create reactions and discussion.

How is misrepping beneficial or protown?

[MrObvious]

How is misrepping beneficial or protown?

Um...He basically said that he didn't think what you did would produce the results you were looking for. How the hell is that misrepping?

No, he twice claimed that I said something that I didn't. How the hell is that not misrepping?

[MrObvious]

How am I misrepping you?

By twisting what I actually said into something I didn't say.

[MrObvious]

Dude, I'm sick of repeating myself. Read my frickin posts.

[MrObvious]

You have not repeated yourself though. You have several times claimed that I have misrepped you and you have quoted your original post. However, you have not yet explained how exactly I twisted your original post, which is what I am asking.

All that you have done is avoid the question.

This is getting really old, really fast. You are full of it. I haven't avoided anything.

You say that you tried to get discussion/reaction but there really wasn't anything that could spawn from it and even if it did, I don't see how it would be beneficial.

I didn't say I "tried to get discussion/reaction" with my vote. Again, what I really said is quoted below.

The first instance is the type of vote that can create reactions and discussion.

Did it penetrate your thick skull this time?

[MrObvious]

"Can" implies that you were trying to get reactions/discussions, between other players if not between you and another player. i'm really not seeing this misrepping, Mr. Obvious.

In no way does "can" imply I was trying anything. You and Zang are both adding context to what I actually said, attempting to change it into something I didn't say.

The two following sentences have completely different meanings:

That car can go 160 mph.
I tried to drive that car 160 mph.

[MrObvious]

And the first does not imply the second.

[MrObvious]

Yeah, I can't read anyone in this game.....so....I'm just gonna sheep Reck since I'm 99% sure he's being truthful about his role.

!vote Katsuki

Now my list is:
Sheeping 3x
Role fishing
Indifference to alignment of player who desires lynch

[MrObvious]

Though, to be fair, your list needs work.

You're right.

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Okay, fine, maybe it doesn't. However, the fact still remains that, regardless of "tried" or "can" being used, Zang still disagrees with the assertion that the vote would've sparked discussion, which isn't misrepping you, no?

Agree or not, the vote did spark discussion when TML asked for my reasoning.

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When I voted for Kthx, I made it clear it was not a random vote and I was voting him because I think he is scum.

Kthxbye is obviously mafia.

!Unvote
!Vote [Kthxbye]

Kthx ignored my vote until I answered TML's questioning of my reasoning. He wasn't going to bring attention to himself by questioning my reasoning for calling him mafia until he knew what my reasoning was.

Updated list:
Sheeping 3x
Role fishing
Waiting for a safety net before responding to my vote.

[MrObvious]

You did though, or at least that is how I interpreted it.

The way you interpreted it, was not the way I intended it to be interpreted.

However, this does not answer the original question that I asked you of what your reasoning was for not including the reasoning with your original vote.

When I did a reread last night, I remembered exactly where my head was when I voted Kthx. I clearly called Kthx out as mafia to make it obvious it wasn't an RVS vote. I wanted to see what Kthx's reaction to that was.

Also, does this mean that you no longer think that I was misrepping you?

You definitely twisted the context of what I said into a different meaning. If you consider that a misrep, you definitely misrepped me.

Kthx ignored my vote until I answered TML's questioning of my reasoning. He wasn't going to bring attention to himself by questioning my reasoning for calling him mafia until he knew what my reasoning was.

What is the scum motivation for this?

To not draw attention to himself. It's obvious he was concerned in defending himself against my accusation as he responded quickly after I responded to TML's questioning.

[MrObvious]

Now this is starting to smell fishy. Looks like you're just making up things after the fact now.

Reviewing has never jogged your memory?

[MrObvious]

Well, yeah. But you bascially just said you voted kthnx as a reaction test. 8 PAGES AFTER YOUR VOTE. It looks like you're just making stuff up to justify your vote on kthnx.

It wouldn't matter if it were 50 pages after. I did a reread and when I got to that point, I remembered exactly what I was thinking. I even baited him to respond after my vote which is what finally drew your attention to me where you asked me to elaborate. My reasons for voting him were well in order when I voted him. If they weren't I wouldn't have been so clear and called him mafia and I wouldn't have baited him later to ask me for my reasoning.

The baiting...

I know your question was addressed to shos, so I'll leave plenty of room for his response, but you've been ascummulating points already in this very short game, your rolefish was but one of

several

factors leading to my vote.

[MrObvious]

Zang, is there some reason you haven't grilled Kthx over this post?

!VOTE: KTHXBYE

[MrObvious]

EBWOP: haven't grilled Katsuki

[MrObvious]

You just said that getting a reaaction was not your intention. You accused me of misrepping you because I thought that it was.

No I didn't. I said I didn't say it was. These semantics battles are serving no purpose other than distraction.

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It also really was not obvious that it was not an RVS vote as that is what I assumed your vote was when I first read it.

How is this not an obviously serious vote?

Kthxbye is obviously mafia.

!Unvote
!Vote [Kthxbye]

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You definitely twisted the context of what I said into a different meaning. If you consider that a misrep, you definitely misrepped me.

How did I twist the context of what you said?

I've already explained this.

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To not draw attention to himself. It's obvious he was concerned in defending himself against my accusation as he responded quickly after I responded to TML's questioning.

But what attention would he gain simply by asking you for your reasoning?

In my opinion, if he had been quick to question my vote, it would have made him appear more concerned about why I called him mafia. Waiting until someone else asked about it could make him appear more to just be joining an ongoing conversation in a casual manner.

----

I even baited him to respond after my vote which is what finally drew your attention to me where you asked me to elaborate.

This actually makes a lot of sense. However, I still don't see what the point of reaction testing him was.

Isn't the point of this game to get scum to react so you can read them?

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I'm leaning town on void, zang, TML and Leafs. The K's are my scumlist right now but Kthx seems to be getting less scummy while Katsuki's scumminess appears to be growing.

!Unvote
!vote Katsuki

The real Katsuki would be scumhunting.

[MrObvious]

...Doesn't that mean you actually were trying to get reactions with that vote, and thus your attempts at claiming Zang is misrepping are thus false?

If you and Zang want to lynch me over this stupid discussion, start voting me or stfu about it already. I've made it perfectly clear what he did and I've made it perfectly clear what was on my mind at the time of my Kthx vote.

[MrObvious]

You claimed that your vote on kthnx was one that "could generate discussion" (the right word was can, I know, but could works here), and you're calling Zang on a misrep from him changing that to "tried". However, if you were trying to get a reaction from him, then you were indeed "trying" to generate discussion (between you and kthnx), and thus your attack on Zang is false. Why act so aggresively defensive (if that makes sense) about answering this?

My vote on Kthx was one that "could generate discussion". In answering Zang's questions, I didn't say my vote was intended to "generate discussion", but Zang said I did. That claim by Zang is false regardless of any other factor. You and Zang continue to split hairs over nothing and frankly I'm sick of talking in circles about it. Talking to you two is like talking to my wife.

[MrObvious]

on paper, kats is only guilty of being useless; kthx has much more in his resume to be lynched.

I don't disagree, but this game had stagnated and being useless is not a towntell. I didn't know I put Kat at L-2. I thought Kthx and Kat both had 3 votes when I moved mine.

[MrObvious]

Basically I'm voting you for not scumhunting.

[MrObvious]

Kthx is on my scumlist and so are you.

[MrObvious]

Kthx is on my scumlist and so are you.

Then you can explain why I'm scum, other than my "not a towntell".

All you are doing is fluffing.

[MrObvious]

Yet, if you were trying to get a reaction out of kthnx as you said earlier (and as I quoted), that means you're trying to generate discussion (even if it's just between you and kthnx). If that's the case, it doesn't matter what you think about the truth of Zang's clai or that it happened before this because then you can't even make that argument, or else your entire posting on this matter is just lies upon lies as you try to justify your vote on Kthnx.

The hair splitting has paid off. You caught me, I'm scum and all I've said is lies. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[MrObvious]

BTW Void, I'm voting Katsuki now, how do my lies justify my new vote?

[MrObvious]

It's one thing to not really engage in the game and just sortof float around but you are aggressively responding to people who question you.

Not only that, Kat has been the one calling this game uneventful and calling others into action instead of taking action.

[MrObvious]

Zang, your hair splitting has produced nothing but a bad read.

[MrObvious]

I didn't say my vote was intended to "generate discussion", but Zang said I did.

No, I said "discussion/reactions". I clearly stated this in my posts 87, 92, 113 and 217. I included both reactions and discussion in all of my posts. I never said "generate discussion" once.

SMH. Semantics 101. Zang if you are not scum in this game, I will never sign up for another game you are in.

You're right, you never said "generate discussion". That came from Katsuki. However, do you think it would be productive for me to spend the next 5 pages trying to get you to admit that you , in fact, did say "generate discussion? That is exactly what you've spent the last x number of pages doing to me. You are ignoring context to start semantics battles. That is a practice of either bad town or scum.

[MrObvious]

Reck is a claimed town role. I have no reason to disbelieve his claim. Katsuki hasn't claimed anything.

[MrObvious]

The

butthurt

truth is strong in this one.

Fixed.

[MrObvious]

Who's scum, Reck?

[MrObvious]

Actually, why would things that pertain specifically to kthnx and Zang have any bearing on why you're voting Katsuki when you haven't tried to make any connections between them?

There is no connection.

But contextually you have admitted that the reasons--the ones related to other players, not to why you think kthnx is scum--you voted kthnx then are actually wrong, that also made Zang's argument right, and you still haven't really tried to refute this point (unless that sarcastic-sounding confession was you actually admitting to doing this).

Plus, IIRC you were the one who called in semantics between "tried" and "can".

You just keep kicking the dead horse.

You're absolutely right, I was wrong about the reasoning of why I voted Kthx. I must've been in a deep meditative state. No, I actually fooled myself on purpose to confuse you and Zang. Yes, I am the one that claimed I said something that I didn't, I just did it while I was logged in as Zang.

[MrObvious]

Who's scum, Reck?

Where is my vote?

So you now actually think Katsuki is scum? Earlier, it just seemed you love a Katsuki wagon.

[MrObvious]

I understand you love a Kat wagon and that other factors won't change that, but is that the only factor that makes you believe Kat is scum?

[MrObvious]

Sarcams doesn't change the truth.

Neither does denial.

[MrObvious]

Void, how many times can you split the same hair?

[MrObvious]

As long as it's the right one.

Perpetually splitting the wrong hair doesn't make it right.

[MrObvious]

You are tunneling.

[MrObvious]

why have you no reason to disbelieve his claim? why have you a reason to believe his claim?

This is a bastard game. That being the case makes his claim feasible.

[MrObvious]

bout the whole argument with MR Obvious.
I dunno. I really don't. seems like Obv is sticking to his place of admitting mistake and continuing. this is something that happens, you know - a townie almost never goes through his own ISO to check stuff, so if he remembers it wrong, shit happens - happened to me more than once.

We have a winner.

[MrObvious]

this is not a bastard game of The Agency style.

I don't know what Agency style is.

Khan's Wacky XylBot Mafia Game

Warning: This game is to be considered

bastard

.

[MrObvious]

I would say I never specified Agency style but that would send Zang and Void's heads spinning.

[MrObvious]

This is a bastard game. That being the case makes his claim feasible.

How so? I would especially expect fake claims in this game with a full list of possible roles available.

Bastard means anything goes. Agreed that with so many roles available, fake claims can be expected, but strange roles can be expected too. Reck's claim fits the bastard bill in my opinion. Still, he may be lying and he may be scum, but I don't think he is the proper lynch for this moment.

[MrObvious]

I see it. It's as if TML is dismissing Reck's claim.

[MrObvious]

Speaking of missing, is dymyshottyizsik in this game?

[MrObvious]

Currently...

Lurker:

+dymyshottyizsik - 0 posts
+Luckyjt

Null:

+The_Mini-Librarian
+Voidedmafia

Scum:

+Katsuki
+Kthxbye

Town:

+Leafsnail
+shos
+Zang
+scooby
+Shmugen

Semi-town:

+xRECKONERx - his claim requires its own category

[MrObvious]

Because Reck had claimed a town role, the two were not equal. That basically makes the question answered before it was asked. Therefore, invalid.

[MrObvious]

As if Reck would claim a scum role?

True, but that still doesn't change the fact that when that question was asked, Reck had claimed and the consensus was not to lynch him.

[MrObvious]

tl;dr Obvious fucked up his reasoning for voting kthnx by saying stuff near the vote and changing it nearly 8 pages later. Most of it reads (to me) as him fabricating reasoning to suit his needs at the time.

If it was fabrication, why would I bait him after the fact and then later up bring it up myself that I had reread the game and remembered something that I had forgotten? If I was scum, I wouldn't gift wrap such an inconsistency to you and Zang.

[MrObvious]

and repeatedly denying that it IS a reaction-test

I denied that I said it was. There is a huge difference and we've been around this circle already way too many times already. Either way, doesn't matter, I reread the game and remembered what I was thinking at the time and have since made it clear where I stood.

[MrObvious]

I never ignored any your questions, TML. The answer to leafsnail is, nope, IMO, there is nothing to elaborate on, hence NULL.

[MrObvious]

We just need one more dumbass on me.

[MrObvious]

Oh, it's 7 to lynch. Still need 2.

[MrObvious]

One more! I'd self hammer if it weren't against my wincon.

[MrObvious]

You claim at L-1, Kthx, not L-0.

[MrObvious]

It's pointless at this point. Dumbasses are gonna be dumbasses and scum is gonna be scum. Dumbasses and scum split hairs to bring down the town. That's where we stand.

[MrObvious]

Keep it coming. I'm obvscum.

[MrObvious]

In fact, I'm not even going to wait for L-1. I'm just going to claim and I'm not going to point out my breadcrumb because I doubt anyone feels like digging back through my crap to see what is missing.

I'm a 5 shot Mafia Juggernaut.

[MrObvious]

shos is definitely obvTown.

[MrObvious]

This is my first game.

[MrObvious]

You are a quick one Kthx!

[MrObvious]

shocker

[MrObvious]

Forgive me. The whole semantics battle has ruined this day and game and has left a bitter taste in my mouth.

[MrObvious]

Dig back through my crap, leaf. Look for what is missing.

[MrObvious]

I'm thinking if Kat is scum, I'd have been hammered already.

!unvote
!vote Kthxbye

[MrObvious]

I have no post restriction.

[MrObvious]

Read what I have said directly to you and use your brain. If you're scum, disregard the previous sentence.

[MrObvious]

Are you thinking? Are you reviewing what I have said?

[MrObvious]

I'd rather get hammered than claim.

[MrObvious]

I mean, I've already claimed.

[MrObvious]

Fine, braindead. Does it look like a jester that's missing from this?

Inferred inifference to alignment of desied lynch target

[MrObvious]

I'm the Town Doctor. Thanks for the productive semantics battle Zang.

[MrObvious]

Crap!

EBWOP: Inferred indifference to alignment of desired lynch target

ISO 3 & 4. It would have taken a thinking man about 3 seconds in my iso to dig through my crap to see what is missing.

[MrObvious]

For the record, I don't buy the doc claim at all.

Then keep your vote where it is, I'm useless now.

[MrObvious]

ISO 3 - I left 2 letters out
ISO 4 - I reincluded them

Those letters, for the blind, were D & R. Put them together and you get Dr.

[MrObvious]

I mean D + R = Jester, to make leafs feel better.

[MrObvious]

Me being pushed to L-1 was inevitable with the mindset of this town.

[MrObvious]

And actually, at this point, for scum, it's a toss up between Void and TML.

!unvote
!vote TML

[MrObvious]

Scooby and shos are town.

[MrObvious]

Why aren't I scum now and what are you major points for thinking TML and Void are scum?

First, it was inevitable.

Luckyjt, Zang and Void weren't going to move their votes off of me, 1. because luckyjt is lurker extraordinaire and ain't coming back in to change his vote and he's now gained some scum points in my mind and, 2. because Zang misrepped me and Void was his wing man in backing Zang's bullshit up. Zang's bs, as misguided as it was, seemed honest. Void's backing him up felt far less honest.

Once TML, iso him and watch the slow build he does against me all day, voted me, it became inevitable. That gave the other 3 an excuse to stay. I thought it was 6 to lynch and I thought we needed one more to put me at L-1. You thought my math was off and I was saying it was the number needed to lynch me.

Your reaction to all of this seems honest, that makes me think you are town.

[MrObvious]

Seriously, would a scum doctor claim Mafia Juggernaut? Scum aren't concerned with giving their role up, it's their alignment they want staying unknown. If I was a scum doctor, I would have just claimed town doctor right off the bat. A scum doctor would make that claim in a heartbeat because he would know there is no counterclaim coming unless the town doctor is brain dead.

[MrObvious]

At least I'll draw the RB's or the NK now.

[MrObvious]

It's hilarious that when I voted Kthx without giving reason, you questioned me about it. Now that I vote you without giving a reason, you don't care to bring it up. Your concerns are showing to be inconsistent.

[MrObvious]

What I pointed out has nothing to do with your desire to lynch me or my claim. It has to do with your concern about the reasoning behind my vote. When my shitty vote was on Kthx, it was worth your time to question my reasoning. Now that my shitty vote is on you, my alignment is no longer a concern and not worth your time. Smells fishy to me.

[MrObvious]

The answer is no, it's only something mafia would do for stupid WIFOM purposes.

Are you saying that jesters are mafia?

[MrObvious]

B.) Obv should elaborate on why my pressing and TML's pressihg of the same point are dissimilar.

TML wasn't sheeping Zang's every word like you have been.

[MrObvious]

I can tell you are not a jester.

So, what am I now?

[MrObvious]

That's mighty scummy of you, Reck.

[MrObvious]

Thanks for the productive semantics battle Zang.

I don't know how many times I have to say this but it is not a semantics battle. Although based off of what may seem like semantics, it uncovered much apparent scum motivation in your play.

It uncovered dick. Meet me in post game, we'll see who the brainiac isn't.

because Zang misrepped me

I never misrepped you.

Yes, you did.

Seriously, would a scum doctor claim Mafia Juggernaut? Scum aren't concerned with giving their role up, it's their alignment they want staying unknown. If I was a scum doctor, I would have just claimed town doctor right off the bat. A scum doctor would make that claim in a heartbeat because he would know there is no counterclaim coming unless the town doctor is brain dead.

Except that scum love WIFOM such as this. If anything scum have more motivation than town.

In this case, it was the Town Doctor not wanting to reveal his role. Once again, see you in the post game, Sherlock.

[MrObvious]

You two be sure to visit me in the post game. You two are on to nothing and wasting much effort on nothing. I am the Town Doctor.

[MrObvious]

Leafs, now ask yourself this, "what town motivation would the town doctor have in claiming a non-existent mafia role?" It's really a no brainer.

[MrObvious]

Also, did you notice that in my Mafia Juggernaut claim I gave the same clue I gave to you personally as to how to find my breadcrumb?

[MrObvious]

As for the fake claiming scum thing, yeah, it was MO being aggravated and not thinking clearly.

Actually I was thinking very clearly. In my obvious fake Mafia Juggernaut claim, I included a clue how to find my breadcrumb. I was hoping a townie or two on my wagon would pick up on it and remove their vote without revealing my true role to scum.

[MrObvious]

Trying to clarify what zang was saying doesn't even come close to matching any definition of sheeping. I wasn't that suspicious of you at the time, anyways.
[/vote]
You weren't sheeping votes, you were sheeping thoughts.

Plus, between the two of us i was the first to raise suspicions about the contradiction. Yes, it was while you and zabg were voing at it, but i was th first to point it out. 0/2.

No, your addition to the conversation was nothing more than your confirming what Zang had already said. 2/2

[MrObvious]

Hmm, what motivation does any pro-town role (or at least anti-scum) have to claim such a nonexistant role?

(Hint: not a nonzero number)

100%. It was obviously a fake claim that included a clue leading to my breadcrumb.

[MrObvious]

In fact, I'm not even going to wait for L-1. I'm just going to claim and

I'm not going to point out my breadcrumb because I doubt anyone feels like digging back through my crap to see what is missing

.

I'm a 5 shot Mafia Juggernaut.

I italicized the clue for you. It's basically the same clue I gave leafs personally.

Dig back through my crap, leaf. Look for what is missing.

[MrObvious]

Now iso me and search for "crap" and it should make perfect sense.

[MrObvious]

Crap! was the identifier if you haven't pieced that together yet.

[MrObvious]

Serra, was Reck truthful with his claim?

Kthx, scooby is town.

[MrObvious]

Worse than his entire game and my rage is your case.

[MrObvious]

Dodging the question noted.

[MrObvious]

Zang, are you sure you're not a woman?

[MrObvious]

Game over. Scum win.

[MrObvious]

Game over. Scum win.

...right. and how does MrObvious want to explain this?

If you don't see it, good.

[MrObvious]

If you don't see it, good.

Because...?

You are so scum.

[MrObvious]

Sorry, I'm not pointing out the obvious to scum.

[MrObvious]

Kthx is town.

[MrObvious]

Because just seeing you say "GG" is supposed to be enlightening by itself?

Dig all you want, I'm not pointing it out. You can read the thread all by yourself.

[MrObvious]

You basically already did.

[MrObvious]

Good focuses would be MrObvious, kthnx, scooby, kat, and maybe shos, but certainly those firstvtwo.

Only if you like lynching townies.

[MrObvious]

TML is still the lynch. We might just get a 2 for 1 special.

Lover

[MrObvious]

A double-townie suicide is the last thing I want.

Yet your two picks for lynching are townies.

[MrObvious]

I'm not lynching scooby or Kthx. They are both town.

[MrObvious]

Your opinion, Obvious, is invalid. You're scum and I'll prove it tomorrow. Let the town talk.

Prove away. You're appearing more like scum by the second. See ya in the post game to gloat about how wrong you are.

[MrObvious]

I'll support a TML, VoidedMafia or AJtheEpic lynch.

[MrObvious]

We might just get TML and AJ in one swoop, based on AJtheScumic's response above.

[MrObvious]

Kthx, AJ is scum.

[MrObvious]

With the limited time remaining, there isn't any reason to attack your fake claim.

Other than it wasn't fake.

[MrObvious]

WOULD YOU GUYS TAKE A ZANG LYNCH, AND IF NOT WHY NOT???

No, Zang is town.

[MrObvious]

Yeah, if AJ is TML's lover, this will get them both.

!unvote
!vote AJtheEpic

[MrObvious]

Zang, I see you lurking in the forum, what's your thoughts on all that is happening now?

[MrObvious]

Because I believe TML is scum.

[MrObvious]

And poof, Zang vanishes without comment.

[MrObvious]

It's not me.

That's right, I forgot about your soft claim.

!unvote
!vote TML

[MrObvious]

This is the one you're calling town beyond town.

I never said beyond. I read his misrep of me as honest derp. He believed his own bs. Strikes me as town. However, him lurking in the shadows without comment just gained him a few scumpoints.

[MrObvious]

Katsuki, KK told us in the signup thread that this game may not be balanced. Don't try to sell it as such.

[MrObvious]

We might just get a 2 for 1 special.

No, not at all. There is no chance of them both being mafia.

From the wiki, "Sibling is sometimes used to refer to Lovers who are guaranteed to be of the same alignment."

!unvote
!vote Zang

And, you did misrep me.

[MrObvious]

You're scum and I'll prove it tomorrow.

AJ's soft claim.

[MrObvious]

I'll believe the wiki over you, Zang. You're known for twisting things.

[MrObvious]

how the FUCK is that a soft claim

Only someone with some power will be able to prove something.

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From the Xylbot list...

"Sibling (town; common; 5+ players): If your sibling dies, you die as well.

Sometimes

one sibling (but not both) is mafia."

Sometimes doesn't mean always.

[MrObvious]

Besides, TML referred to Lover in his claim. Lover is not in the Xylbot list. If TML was referring to the Xylbot list, he would have referred to Lovestruck Townie. I'm inclined to believe he claimed sibling in the wiki sense.

[MrObvious]

See 745.

[MrObvious]

If you don't want me voting you, vote TML.

[MrObvious]

Then my vote stays. Die scum misrepper.

[MrObvious]

MrObvious: sometimes one sibling is mafia, the rest of the time both are town. That's definitely what it means. He was also pretty clearly using "lover" as a way to explain the role.

He could be lying about the sibling part and actually be a lover in the sense of the wiki.

[MrObvious]

I wish you had already killed me, Schmugen.

[MrObvious]

AJ soft claimed an investigative role. I'm not lynching him. If it's AJ vs Zang, my choice is Zang. I'd rather lynch VoidedMafia or TML, in that order.

[MrObvious]

Ok, let's use your reasoning. If TML is telling the truth, we should lynch him because there is a high likelihood that he or his sibling is scum.

So, vote TML and I'll gladly follow.

[MrObvious]

The issue is, you still can't afford to risk killing him at this point.

It's safer killing him now than later.

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Ok, I'll take your word that you didn't soft claim. That puts you back in the lynchable category.

I'd revote you now, but Zang sure is squirming.

[MrObvious]

Oh, FTR, the word xylbot didn't mean shit to me until this last page.

[MrObvious]

Here's the possibilities that I see.

1) If a townie sibling doesn't come forth, it's because they are scum. Lynch TML, even trade. I'll take it every time.
2) If a townie sibling does come forth, it's because TML is scum. Lynch TML, even trade. I'll take it every time.
3) TML is lying scum and there is no sibling to come forth.
4) TML is telling the truth and is town and his sibling is town. This is the least likely possibility in my mind.

From the wiki, which the xylbot list is surely inspired by...

"Lovers can have a number of unannounced additions to the above definition, such as the ability to talk to each other or confirmation of each others' alignment (but usually only if they are both Town)."

If TML doesn't know who his sibling is, I'd be willing to be it is because his sibling is of different alignment.

[MrObvious]

!unvote
!vote TML

[MrObvious]

Zang, the reason I was voting you was because it was down to you or AJ. I was under the belief that AJ had soft claimed. That left you. You deserve to die for misrepping me and outting the Town Doctor, that is why I wasn't quick to move my vote off you.

[MrObvious]

Are you admitting that you were wrong about the siblings role or that you never actually believed it?

You are one dense MF'r.

[MrObvious]

...really, Aj? You don't see any sense in Zang's posts, especially if hou take some of the topics in context?

Zang has pretty much talked out of his ass since the game started. You've been right there to breathe it all in!

[MrObvious]

Uh-huh. Zang was totally talking out of his ass regarding the Sibling role, or the "misrep" (which AJ HIMSELF admitted wasn't a misrep), or when his questions and such are part of his scumhunting playstyle?

You really need to readjust your definition of "talking out of your ass"

I don't care what anyone admitted, it was a misrep, he spent at least 10 pages on it. You breathed in and savored every fart of it. I'll give him the xylbot roles, I didn't know there were separate xylbot roles until yesterday.

[MrObvious]

Because I highly doubt that post 788 is true.

I bet you doubt the sky is blue.

[MrObvious]

This has me SERIOUSLY on edge.

Why? It's shows he's either scum or bad town.

[MrObvious]

MrObvious - Answer the question.

What question? Kthx, this should answer your question, lol.

[MrObvious]

People deserve to die because they're scum. You are making it personal.

Look, my top choice is the obvscum, Void. The chance of that happening is nil. The choice seemed to be down to AJ or Zang. I thought AJ had softclaimed. Zang and Void have been buddy-buddy all day. They nitpicked bullshit until my role was outted. I have no problem lynching someone who fucked the town over when the choice is between him and someone who has been far less scummy in my opinion.

[MrObvious]

What's the question?

[MrObvious]

Dude, read the fucking thread. The answer to that has already been given.

[MrObvious]

Post 788 is most definitely true.

[MrObvious]

Zang, do you think you're going to get me lynched at this point? Please fucking do. You and void ruined this game. Like I said before, if you aren't scum, I'll never join another game you're in.

[MrObvious]

Read 788, I don't give a fuck if you are town or scum and 788 reflects that perfectly. You fucked the game up with your bullshit misrep, so from my perspective you deserve to die, especially when the choice is between you and someone who hasn't fucked the town over this game. I'm leaning town on you, but you are bad town. Reck even confirmed that your meta is that you are always useless and anti-town, you've proven to be exactly that in this game.

[MrObvious]

That is unbelievably anti-town.

Are you admitting that you were wrong about 788?

[MrObvious]

He was but you are playing so unbelievably badly that I can see why Zang was confused (he wrongly made the assumption that you were playing in a way that made any sense at all). Please shut up about this point.

No, what really happened is that my play made perfect sense, he was just trying to twist it into something that it wasn't just like he did earlier in the game.

[MrObvious]

4 hours till a no lynch. Scum are beginning to celebrate.

[MrObvious]

You are in a position to hammer, dude. You have no right to complain.

I'm not hammering town.

[MrObvious]

Been out all day, not happy with this compromise lynch at all.

Then why did you compromise?

[MrObvious]

Yet you were so willing to lynch me.

Where's my vote?

[MrObvious]

I'm not protecting you Kthx. I'm protecting the only person that I have a strong town read on. Please target me the first chance you get.

[MrObvious]

There's a high probability of multiball in this game

What gives you this idea?

[MrObvious]

That makes sense. That makes the results of today even worse for the town.

[MrObvious]

Dude, read the fucking thread. The answer to that has already been given.

What, exactly, does it hurt for you to just simply answer his queztion, scumread or not?

Because I'm not getting into another hair splitting episode with him. The question has already been answered, why should I answer it again?

[MrObvious]

Because he might've missed it? And how cojuld he split hairs on this? (Unless you're going to comnfuse him being concused for twiasting your words, which looks entirerly likely at this point)

If he missed it, he's welcome to go back and read up which is what I told him to do. Zang is a talented hair splitter. I nipped it in the bud this time. I'm not going to continue repeating everything he misses.

[MrObvious]

Now why would I protect an SK?

[MrObvious]

cuz I'm not an sk you dolt.

I'm not the one that just lynched a townie.

[MrObvious]

MrObvious- I saw what you said previously but I wanted to make absolutely sure that you wouldn't claim I was misrepping you about it in the future. That's why I continued asking.

Paraphrase - I saw what you said, I just needed to split some more hairs.

[MrObvious]

Ok, brainiacs, answer me this. If a doc protects someone, does it generally cover that person if they are targeted by multiple shots, ie mafia1 and mafia2?

[MrObvious]

Better hurry shos, it's twilight.

[MrObvious]

You are awre that this sounds very much like you're not even caring about what Zang is asking and assuming the worst when that may mot even be the case?

My gut was dead on this time. I made it clear what I meant and he admitted to seeing it. He just had to split some more hairs to act like he was on to something, which he wasn't.

[MrObvious]

I haven't been able to properly judge how much I can take at one time yet, sadly.

These days, I play one game at a time only. Used to I would sign up for several at a time and it just ate all of my free time away and pissed my wife off royally!!!

[MrObvious]

Now that I know what Xylbot is, I can't wait for another round! I love crazy setups.