Mini 1504 - Antihero Mafia REBOOT [GAME OVER]

[flying beauties]

aaaaand hydra activated.

[flying beauties]

if you 2 even

think

about it I swear to god I am going to knock the everlovin' shit out of the both of you

[flying beauties]

VOTE: Majiffy for having an avatar that objects to Martian Law.

What in holy hell is Martian Law.

VOTE: Flying Beauties

hell no would you let a wagon form on us before we had even had a chance to get our heads together and into the game. you know that if I townread you I work with you fuck no would you throw away that type of voting power as town.

VOTE: majiffy

[flying beauties]

ssk why are you not voting majiffy

[flying beauties]

ssk why are you not voting majiffy

What is the point of this question?

And I don't want any crap about me derailing your line of questioning because this isn't one.

yes it is

you do know the majiffy/mollie read ability goes both ways don't you

[flying beauties]

aaaaand hydra activated.

God help us all.

you should get your boyfriend to save your ass majiffy!!!

Your opinion that Varsoon is scum?

My opinion that Varsoon is scummy the majority of times in his games.

thats a very lame reason.


Pasch, how many games i was scum in the games you have played. so according to you, i am pretty much same as town or scum? is it a gut opinion ? or do you have a reference?


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Angel

[flying beauties]

Mollie feels like she is trying to force an emotional response to this imo.

I don't see why she finds this particularly scummy of majiffy, but I'm allowed to wagon her as a legit strategy?

like you know what is majiffy alignment is...
i trust mollie read on majiffy.... surprisingly why are you not scum hunting in this game AP?

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Angel

[flying beauties]

Nope, I am pointing to the fact that why you're not doing what usually town AP does... Instead wagon up on us!!!
but why are nervous anywayz about this?

And about Majiffy's ass.. I leave it to both of you to decide..what to do with it.. its not my area of concern.

-Angel

[flying beauties]

Pasch,

You're missing my point, you already rubbed those statements on face, no need to repeat them again.... i dont want to know how you feel about me. All I am asking you is to show me the proofs for those statements. please answer the below...

1) Is there a game that you played where i was scum in it?
2) Is your reference of me being aggressive player as scum and town is from the games we played? If so, can you direct me to those references.
3) If you reference is based on from other games, what are they...? you must have speculated few games of mine to understand my meta. so can show me the games that i performed similar behavior?
4) And, are you implying that i never scum hunt and just OMGUS? Is it gut feeling? or you have proofs? becuz i have games that i did aggressive scum hunting.. and i can prove it to you if you want.

[flying beauties]

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Angel

[flying beauties]

actually it does matters because every game play, Pasch comes out with this reasons despite what my alignment was...
so he needs stop judging me on things that doesn't exist. Its know its just his opinion and i am not sure how built that up.. i asked him the references becuz i am very confident that they don't exist. If there are there... i wanted to face them and justify it in a right manner.

this way i will know that if Pasch is being genuinely concerned like the way he is been or if he faking this personality.

its may be annoying to you, but there is nothing i could do about that, and defending my play-style will help some of the players here to get hint about my alignment, you may not understand but there are some and they always know how to read me...

[flying beauties]

don't talk about my girl majiffy, if you don't have your boy friend here. hook up with someone else.... AP looks curious to hang out with you....

and due to answer why you want to wagon up on so early when we didn't got into game yet??? are you afraid that mollie will catch you becuz she knew how to read you??

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Angel

[flying beauties]

read the above statement as:

and you're due to answer, "Why do you want to wagon up on us so early when we didn't even got into game completely?"

[flying beauties]

Flying angel had a pretty strong response to a test 4 the vote on her. I doubt ma jiffy was serious about his vote but he may now be.given your response

I am being strong? No.. not at all.. I am being strong on Pasch reasons?.. yes becuz they are not connecting. Meta reference is okay but he is trying misguide everyone with his opinion, which he did before. so, i wanted to clear it to him. thats all.

about majiffy being scummy. mollie voted him. i believe mollie instincts on reading majiffy becuz she is a better judge than me on reading him. if you want to know more on that vote..Mollie will answer to you on that.


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Angel

[flying beauties]

Cut the crap majiffy.. Get to the point.
Is your vote serious? if so, why? why do you think we are scum?

[flying beauties]

i ll wait mollie to say more things on your behavior majiffy
but seriously...you still failed to give me the reasons........ I feel better about our vote on you.

JKLM just opportunistically joined in our wagon....


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Angel

[flying beauties]

Mollie feels like she is trying to force an emotional response to this imo.

I don't see why she finds this particularly scummy of majiffy, but I'm allowed to wagon her as a legit strategy?

I just want to get this straight.

so

1. you "lol we gonna wagon beauties it will be funny"
2. you start a wagon on us
3. we respond emotionally cos that is that is what emotional players do
4. you then say it is "feigned"

why do I get the feeling that it really doesn't matter how we would have responded you would have read it as scummy since it reads like you came in with a predetermined plan? I mean you say you are going to rvs us, rvs us and then....find reasons as to why what we said was scummy when it should be null at best but more likely town as you very well know?

[flying beauties]

and due to answer why you want to wagon up on so early when we didn't got into game yet??? are you afraid that mollie will catch you becuz she knew how to read you??

If either of you had bothered to read the thread you'd know why you were wagoned.

talk to me like I am a four year-old

break it down

[flying beauties]

you should get your boyfriend to save your ass majiffy!!!

Oh its not HIS ass that is gonna need saving : P

You are asserting that Im not scumhunting (lol) but that isn't factual.

Why are you trying to get me to focus on other people?

why were you so focused on us getting lynched before the game even started ap?

[flying beauties]

aaaaand hydra activated.

God help us all.

you should get your boyfriend to save your ass majiffy!!!

Thor isn't in this game.

Tell your partner she needs to be more active.

I find this interesting that you say this when you know I work long hours on weekends.

you guys are toast

[flying beauties]

@ majiffy

you know perfectly well a derp speed lynch can happen since you are either you are 1 leading or hammering on them. don't be coy

also I guess the agreement we made in mala's newbie game to not go after each other until d3 no longer applies huh

for those of you who are clueless as to what is going on:

majiffy and I have probably played something like 40 or 50 games together between this site, our hydra and offsite games.

why do you think he wanted to hydra in sign-ups

when we town read each other we vote as a bloc. town majiffy would have given room to work that out. he isn't. <---red flag red flag RED FUCKING FLAG

lol, on my spreadsheet it says, before the game started and I thought they were just dicking around "oh god ap and majiffy are scum that reads like mine and ap's scum theatre from legends". thought it was pregame paranoia, lol. guess not. cos that is what ap does. he is very deft with sliding in with his scummate early game and working as a true team with them. majiffy does this too, they have been 2 of my favourite scum partners.

looking at the playerlist I would not be surprised if we were derp lynched only cos most of the players don't know us and arc and I don't always react the way people think we should. <-----scum will be banking on that, that way they don't have to waste a nk on us. majiffy's initial hesitancy makes me think better of him, ap I will be smothering with a pillow in his sleep at the reckoning.

in this day round I will be trying to find town and pull town together. <-----freaking pay attention to this with our flip. cos no matter what, we are dead soon.

[flying beauties]

Majiff.. ANSWER!!!!

Cut the crap majiffy.. Get to the point.
Is your vote serious? if so, why? why do you think we are scum?

Angel

[flying beauties]

Because I learned how to get a grasp on you in GoW mafia and 2.5Friends mafia.

but not legends or tater, the 2 most recent games? :/

Scum you is way more defensive and way more "apathetic" about early/unsupported pressure on you. Town you is basically post 109.

UNVOTE:

Sorry, I don't think Majiffy is maf though. Call it gut, but I like his presence so far.

VOTE: JKLM

what is it about his presence that you like?

[flying beauties]

The case on beauties appears to hinge on meta that I haven't experienced so I don't know where to go with that yet. Somebody said that JKLM's vote there is terrible, and I agree. On the plus side, the exchange plus some other things have me townreading majiffy hard.

why?

no srsly. why

Jingle thinks Buck is scum, but I think it's too early to tell. I'm not solid on anything right now, but my top three are probably Varsoon, pasch and JKLM. I don't really care to make a case this early, but if anybody who isnt on that list wants me to elaborate, I'd be happy to.

@somebody who knows varsoon- Is the "i'll go eat worms" thing par for his personality, or is it as scummy as it sounds to me?

@majiffy- how do you feel about AP?

@beauties- Would he really speedlynch you as scum? That seems like a bad trade.

why do

you

think it would be a bad trade?

what is weird about this posit is that it seems rested on majiffy's and ap's terrible non-existent meta case on us....the most that has been put forth has been ap's "mollie it looks like you are feigning!!!". that's it.

what is weirder is that you do this w/o mentioning our meta case on both majiffy and ap which is stronger....as in I am giving you more meat to chew on, except to say "majiffy is town!!1! argh!!" but not giving a reason as to why you have that read.

[flying beauties]

@ mod - pretty plz fix broken quote tags? ty

broken quote tags fixed

[flying beauties]

@beauties- Would he really speedlynch you as scum? That seems like a bad trade.

Honestly, I doubt it.

As scum in GoW mafia he mostly pushed other people anyways. I dont see why they think this is scummy on him.

missed this earlier.

he has done it as scum before. he tried it on tr once and was crucified by nacho and buldey.

I haven't played against him when he has been scum too often on this site, I have played with him when we were both scum tho.

liking ssk and lying cat for town.

not liking the jfk thing or that paschel creature. paschel creature is cosying up to ssk in #101 which I say we lynch pascel creature in order to confirm lying cat. no way is that post a bus.

VOTE: paschel creature

in other news I am pretty sure that majiffy and ap received a red role pm and it will be hugely entertaining to watch them come up with "reasons" as to why it isn't. I doubt we will be able to get them lynched today so the best I can hope for is to get them to bus 1 of their scummates.

hated everything about varsoon's and the grim reaper's entrance. the grim reaper has apparently forgotten their pw mebbe paschel creature and jfk thing can help them out.

4 solid town reads damn town is in a good position.

[flying beauties]

ap, why are you subtly discrediting my top 2 town reads?

[flying beauties]

Why are you more concerned with my opinion on them than on Pasch/Majiffy?

well since the 2 are my top 2 town reads and I am trying to form a town core...yeah.

why are you so concerned that I have 4 but I am only naming 2?

keep your filthy scummy hands off of my 2 town reads.

@ majiffy

1. always a bad move. especially for you since you know you don't have to do this in order to read me
2. I will psychically post from now on when I am at work in the hopes that my thoughts will be cosmically transacted in this game.
3. you weren't around so therefore could not guarantee a shift. you also knew that you might not be around so
4. it looked like you were :/
5. if arc is offended by this then I am coming at you like hell on a turbobike
6. yep
7. I am asking him, not you, guapo's law
8. because both reek of scum

yaye! you can always count on majiffy to bus a buddy

[flying beauties]

1. You know I prefer things quick and easy.
2. Thanks for the added effort! You're a sweetie.
3. I have a phone. I check the threads periodically without logging in. If it was dire, I would have been able to unvote.
4. Isn't that kind of the point?
5. Hot
6. kk
7. Your TRisms hold no ground here!
8. I reek of sexy and town. Mebbe you're smelling yourself.

1. that wasn't quick and easy. so I guess the d3 agreement is something you felt in the moment but do not feel the need to follow through? okay!
2. yw
3. so you now have a smartphone how awsum
4. your...point...was?
7. mebbe I was wrong to use a term you have applied in the past?
8. my skin is super soft and I smell japanese cherry blossom. pretty sure it is not me. and I bet arc is every bit as girly girl as I am plus we are town. you are not

[flying beauties]

Why is lying cat town to you?

Re 4 townreads: I'm less concerned, more confused. Why bother saying it if its private infoz anyways. Also its a bit early to be forming townblocks of such magnitude, and if you are trying to form a townblock why keep half ofthe desired members private >.>

1. Yes well we expedited the process, how about that.
8. Wrong.

it is never too early to get town reads and for town to find each other. the only peeps who get weird about this are scum or unconfident town. you do not fall into the latter.

what is weird about this is that you have been solidly treating majiffy as town since pregame and have never wavered

. I find that far scummier than trying to form a town core after some activity.

[flying beauties]

Majiff.. ANSWER!!!!

Cut the crap majiffy.. Get to the point.
Is your vote serious? if so, why? why do you think we are scum?

1) Spread legs.
2) Remove stick from vagina.

A) your abuse has no sense, you know something I can report this post majiffy!! this is my warning.. so now don't act like a jerk.
B) You still have to explain your intentions behind for pushing our wagon. Mollie strongly believes that you can still see her as town with out this wagon drama, if you can..why do you do that? And how could you and AP just town read each other so conveniently?

After a quick reread, I might be down to wagon the shit out of buckwild for lolz and win.

Agree!! both Buckwild, Grim is been so lame so far.. but not all lurkers are scum.

I have town reads on flying beauties, majiffy, and lying cat. I am suspicious of mafiassk. His posts thus far have been overly benign. They appear to me as if he trying not to offend anyone and gather town on his side.
Vote {b}mafiassk{b}
Hopefully that came out right this time.

can you give more content than just throwing off names who you town read. And if SSK has only played town game, what do you thinka bout Darthe or pasch or even grim? Its not like they were playing better game than SSK

Pasch feels similarly. He feels off, nothing I can really qualify well, but haven't really seen anything interesting alignment-wise from him. I did like him agreeing with my post about JKLM, but I'm biased.

I usually start slow. I also just don't feel like arguing with ArcAngel right now.

this is such a fail post. You come around and discredits my playstyle and comments on my meta like you know that so well yet you deny each time when i ask for a reference. Why? Why it is so hard for you prove that you're certain about?

this proves that you're so wrong. If you're so egoistic, next time don't discredit someone unless your really know what you're talking about.

I really demand for an explanation about your comments about my playstle. you complained that i am not scum hunting.. PROVE IT DAMIT. I have been far more useful here than you so far.. Yet you say things about me...

/Egopost as part of The Grim Reaper account, catching up today or tomorrow.

Hi Grim! Post more! I was gonna try to lynch TSO in this one too, but people started making real posts before I got to the thread.

in other news I am pretty sure that majiffy and ap received a red role pm and it will be hugely entertaining to watch them come up with "reasons" as to why it isn't.

I dunno. Especially given the responses from you and him on the speedlynching thing, I read him as trying to get a read on you rather than trying to get you lynched. I think he easily could have ridden the early emotional bit on you to a lynch, and the fact that he didn't suggests that he didn't know whether you were town or scum at the beginning of the wagon. Jingle doesn't think that indicative, but I've played a shitload more mafia than Jingle and I'm confident.

re: you, I was thinking we should lynch JKLM to confirm you. I'm not getting anything scummy from your slot, and if JKLM is scum his vote on you confirms you as town.

Dumb for what? Saying he wants to pressure you? And MafiaSSK just IS that dumb, but pasch agreeing with him is scum?

No not that. The bit I quoted when I said he was dumb the first time. Here's a dramatic reenactment, ribbed for your pleasure:

Spoiler: Dinner Theatre

Jingle: Good evening, maidens and man-maidens. I regret to inform you that Lying Cat will not be performing this weekend, as both band members are going deep into the Washington Wilderness to find themselves and also to teach 11-year-olds how to build campfires.
Pasch: Durr, Jingle u shud post content right nao!
Jingle: [...crickets...]
Shadow: HAY GUISE! Jingle left AFTER pasch told him to post more! SCUM!
SSK: pressure.
Pasch: YAY PRESHUR!

Do you see why I think Pasch and Shadow might have been huffing paint this weekend? SSk didn't give any reasons for his vote other than pressure, and he could have had legitimate reasons for that. Plus, he's reading town to me. Shadow appears to have contracted an acute case of RTFT syndrome, because he's got his causes and correlations all screwed up.

But Pasch reads different. Pasch has that bad vote on SSK, which he unvoted when somebody else called SSK town. He spent a couple of posts discrediting AA, then pushed us on a silly reason that we couldn't answer. He waited until SSK was on our wagon before throwing down a vote. And he tried to derail your suspicions off of JKLM, which is weird. I think he's playing significantly below his potential and I think thats a good place to look for scum day 1.

Top three are Pasch, JKLM, and either varsoon or buck (Jingle thinks buck is faking VI, I think varsoon is faking ATE)

Accordingly:
VOTE: Pasch

-sthar8

About Grim, its just not him..there are others who needs to speak more... its just so frustrating that they are just lurking.

And why you do you think Majiffy wouldn't wagon upon us early of the game if he scum? And you actually didn't feel suspicious about whole majiffy and AP's convinieant town reads on each other?

I agree with you on Pasch, He is been judgemental, lurking and ignoring posts. Its may be because he is egoistic but I am willing to add pressure on him. I ll check with Mollie on that.

JKLM is horrible, his vote on our wagon is way too oppurtunist jump. not sure if he is that derp or just a bad mafia play.

I'm useful! >.<
VOTE: mafiassk

[/quote]

do you call this usefull???




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Angel

[flying beauties]

I've been treating majiffy like I would treat majiffy. I dont even remember talking to/about him pregame.

mebbe you should read p1

His contribution to the pressure on you gives me a town feel.

Forming a town core is a good idea, just dont be hasty lol. I dont see how anyone could think enough people are probstown to go about doing that right now.

I do it it in every game. thinking you don't want it to happen.

And why are you talking about private townreads if 1) you are trying to get a townblock going and 2) what? Just why even bring it up if yo dont care enough to spill it.

oh I care. it is pretty funny to watch you obsess over it tho, as town you wouldn't be bothered.

Can I get some help on JKLM, his vote on you is the worst by far.

nope he is just derping around we think

[flying beauties]

Call it a gut scum read. I think town would give more cares about fixing their broken votes.

And who knows, he might not be useful without a little prompting

lol

I can't believe you are saying this when you know scum are more careful with their posts than town.

jesus fucking christ

VOTE: ap

I would rather take majiffy out cos he is the more dangerous and ap is way more fun but I am good with this.

[flying beauties]

You are saying that I am treating Majiffy as town as if I 'know' he is town.

yet you think we are scum together but I 'know' hes town? Am I assessing this correctly?

you know what i meant

having gotten that spat out of the way...

UNVOTE: ap

were you frustrated there for a moment? cos I was too when I was run up it curtailed my early scumhunting. it gave me the warm fuzzies tho that you cared enough to stick around to make it didn't get out of hand but I got a little weirded out that you were all up in our grille asking us who the other 2 town reads were.

[flying beauties]

VOTE: buckwild

majiffy are you going to respond to #156? it was a good post

[flying beauties]

So although I am pretty offended at the remarks, this is my 3rd or fourth game only and I have not played in 10 months... I'm trying here though.

are you counting the games you replaced out of cos it seemed like you said the same thing there

[flying beauties]

this is game is stalling suddenly...

[flying beauties]

Mollie it isn't a weekend why aren't you posting?

we have twice the amount of posts than you and since I have done most of the posting here I am not sure what scummy point you are trying to make here.

[flying beauties]

this is game is stalling suddenly...

going back to this, the game is stalling cos majiffy and ap are scum and they are waiting to see where the town herd will move so that they can go all shark frenzy.

majiffy has cahones the size of bowling balls as scum good grief have I not told you how many games we have played together.

@ lying cat

I see what you are saying but yes, it would make sense for them to back off cos the backlash would expose them for the scum that they are.

don't townread them for that

.

meanwhile, enjoy a taste of heaven



more votes on buckwild plz

[flying beauties]

Darthe - ok I guess. You _did_ single me out by saying I'm hard to read. I'm trying to figure out why town-you would think to say that. I mean you aren't calling ALL your null-reads "hard to read". Its an excuse for takinga stance and it isn't necessarily scummy, but it is something I see scum do, especially with loud/weird players.

I really don't want to lynch Buck today.

So although I am pretty offended at the remarks

, this is my 3rd or fourth game only and I have not played in 10 months... I'm trying here though.

This is incredibly town. I don't put as much stock in this for older players, but newer players who express pride in their play are almost always town.

The last bit of the quote is an excuse which is whatever, but newish-scum doesn't get offended when you accuse them of being useless; they get omgusy

.

This is town and the wagon is shit. Someone supporting it is probably scum (Pasch/Splintered).

--

Spoiler:

Anti-heroes (town):
Buckwild
Beauties

Anti-sidekicks (sort atown)
Majiffy
MafiaSSK

IGMEOU
Darthe
Varsoon

Probably a scum in: Splintered, Pasch

Anti-villains (scum):
JKLM

Who are these people:
Grim
Cat
FnL

wrt the bold: he didn't get omgusy he was "offended"

so that invalidates your argument

[flying beauties]

Mollie can we compromise somewhere?

Somewhere that is not Buckwild or Majiffy?

no

[flying beauties]

If Buck gets lynched and flips town today you will never hear the end of it from me. Heads up.

okay

so who are you wanting to lynch?

[flying beauties]

Scummy point? I just want you to be more active.

Also posts=/=content, you know this. Your slot has done nothing but complain and call me and AP scum.

when we are already twice as active as you? lol

and put forth more content? you can handwave our scumread on you all you want but we know you are scum.

Passion Dale would be a great start.

even if we town read you I would still not vote him due to that if you say someone is scum they probably aren't.

but you are scum so yaye! I don't have to worry my pretty little head.

whoops

[flying beauties]

if we lose this game due to apathetic town I am going to be pissed

[flying beauties]

omg, he was in no way backpedaling

you are such freaking scum

@ varsoon

plz get into the game. we think ap is scum and we also think buck is a partner. plz help.

[flying beauties]

I'm very happy to see the Grim posts and would love to see some more from the two of them. So far they seem incredibly town. I'd love to see the same from SSK and F+L, so that I can start to get a good read on them as well.

@FB: I've still got my eye on Jiffy in case, but we're pretty sure he's town right now. Is there any reason other than Jiffy being for it that you are against a Pasch lynch? I think you're wrong on Jiffy and letting that color your perception. Sthar8 thinks Buck is null right now, so we're probably not voting him today, barring further scummy behavior. I definitely think he's scum myself though.

Hopefully I can Powwow tomorrow with the other head to work out our thoughts re Buck and Varsoon, but I'm still confident with the Pasch lynch.

-Jingle

cat

the fact that majiffy followed our vote onto that pasch creature should be a giant fucking stop sign to every1. he never follows my votes, ever, in our hydra we fight over reads all of the time and usually the only way I can get my way is if I scream loud enough in gchat or sneak a vote in at the last minute when he is not around to change it.

pasch wagon is bad and I am the 1 who started it. I am telling you that we think majiffy and ap are scum and we think bucky is number #3. plz smack your other head around and vote him.

also pasch started town posting what is the case on him I don't even

I am just going to flirt with majiffy and ap while I wait for the rest of you to come to your senses.

[flying beauties]

Some of your subsequent deluge of posts is a little better, but I disagree with anyone handing out townreads like that so early on. Frankly, I disagree with any kind of strong reads early in the game. They're usually wrong. And going for a townreads > PoE method seldom produces good results.

wrong

[flying beauties]

IS that eternal WIFOM?

so much ewww

[flying beauties]

ap said something that I wanted to respond to but I forget what it was

@ grim

knock off the posturing tia

also you said that majiffy, ap and I can't read each other but you only saw where ap and I were scum, you haven't seen what either of us can do as town so your dismissal is pretty premature.

that jklm thing was on earlier today but did not post in this game. so he is on the scumspect list

[flying beauties]

What is tia? If you're talknig about the fluff: I'm sorry. It felt like fun at the time.

Can you answer my question about why you consider SSK to be town?

Don't know about my dismissal of your AP-Majiffy-reading skills being premature, it's up to everyone to decide that for themselves. I prefer to make up my own mind in this regard, and would prefer everyone to do the same, instead of sheeping people based on meta they cannot possibly assess themselves.

I for one don't feel that Majiffy and Angry Pidgeon are scum. MAjiffy mainly because he's so generous with his townreads. Angry Pidgeon because his lines of questioning always have gone somewhere so far.

GG

tia = thanks in advance

reading skillz - you can take something in and it not be the sole case of why you would vote somebody. you outright dismissed and I think that is unfair, especially since you are nervous about the mollie head cos of legends as in you are using meta but discouraging other people's use of it and other people listening to it. there is a word for that oh yeah I think it is called hypocrisy.

yours and pasch's exchanges feel like a tvt tard fight. pursue it if you want but I don't think it is the best use of your energies.

majiffy and ap are awsum scum players. all I am saying do not put them in your unquestionable town category cos for the reasons you gave they do not belong there.

also some1 made an ass-kissing post to you and ap who was that

and I remembered what I wanted to say to ap!

ap - I don't ever think that majiffy intentionally votes against me, it just happens. we look for different things it is why we compliment each other in our hydra except when we are fighting for control of our vote.

what a weird way to look at what I said. how did you get "intentionally" out of that?

[flying beauties]

In any case,

in order for someone to trust your metaknowledge on Majiffy and AP, they also have to know your meta

, so whichever way you tunr it it all revolves around meta.

wrong. you can know something about some1's meta and them not have any knowledge of yours at all. that isn't the case here and some players are better at using meta then others.

If this game is just supposed to be a platform where you can decide on your reads based their meta and the rest should sheep you based on your meta, we'll be a long way from home.

no1 ever said that.

People are free to take it into account, but it shouldn't be a decisive factor and I'm extremely wary of you and/or Majiffy selling it as one. This is based on my personal experience. Not somebody elses meta.

personal experience = meta

do you see how this works?

Also, my nervousness about the mollie-head is irrelevant when it comes to valueing the reads. It could have had a bearing on my read on her due to paranoia. But again I'm feeling mollie as town, this time strengthened in my belief thanks to the extra head that's been generated in the form of ArcAngel.

GG

we are town, but that isn't what we are looking for. we want to work with you but you have to be open to it.

will you at least plz think about it?

[flying beauties]

And for the record, I don't think my discussion with Paschendale is retarded at all. I don't like the way some of you simply throw the coat of "retarded" over an entire argument without even bothering to go into the details of it.

GG

I actually want to address this.

"retarded" means stunted growth. that is all it means. it means there is a kink in the development.

I think your tvt with pasch is stunting your reads and I think you should reconsider.

[flying beauties]

in other news, ap and majiffy continue to be scum.

I trust them about as far as I can throw them. which isn't far at all since the both of them are well over 6ft and I am only 5'3".

lets lynch their scumbuddy bucky cos there is a slight chance they might help us out with it!

[flying beauties]

^scum

[flying beauties]

VOTE: beli

majiffy, we are lynching beli today

don't fight me on this

[flying beauties]

You know, bdtween the two of you scum would never have to lift another finger in this game. Really, I don't even know if that is telling to your alignments anymore
.

huh!

you are seriously bad at this aren't you

[flying beauties]

meh

its derpy enough I almost believe it

competing bw needs to happen and for some dumb reason people are putting you in their town category for what are probably really dumb reasons so

[flying beauties]

What are your Beliscum reasons?

did you read his iso yet?

it is like 3 posts

I am always sus when a player whom I have not played much with puts me in their town category right off the bat. tbf, I hedged a lot in that game which I am defo not doing here.

wanting to see where this goes since my best efforts at bussing you and ap are failing miserably. this lazy good for nothing town just won't help me.

[flying beauties]

and you do realise that makes it all of like what, 15?

read on ap

[flying beauties]

did you iso that slot?

[flying beauties]

jesus christ you are so scummy it hurts.

[flying beauties]

I still have to look into splintered. I've been lazy on that front.

I think JKLM's gambit is garbage. Considering his join date I'm inclined to think that it's coming from town, since I don't think that he'd risk blowing a scum game with that play.

I thought that Grim still appeared townish, but I really dislike their "maybe Darthe is up to something" comment.

Beli talk to me about contractions. Have you caught scum with that before? It seems to me like a bizarre thing to comment on.

liking fear and loading

[flying beauties]

Beli talk to me about contractions. Have you caught scum with that before? It seems to me like a bizarre thing to comment on.

It depends on baselines. Deviating from one's baseline behaviour is a sign of dishonesty. I am absolutely unwilling to move on AP without knowing if contraction avoidance is normal for him.

No, I haven't caught scum with contraction avoidance before, that would be madness...but what I was looking for when I read this game over to start with was anything that looked out of place. Talking like Spock qualifies. So...if AP normally talks like Spock, I'm completely null on him. If he does not, that qualifies as a deviation from his baseline mode of speech, which I see as scummy.

why don't you do a word search with ap as the poster and look it up yourself instead of waiting around for some1 else to say "oh hai I have seen this bef4 ack! ack!".

word search would only take a few minutes.

[flying beauties]

Sorry, we both were busy on weekends.. I am here today.. Will catch up in a bit..

-
Angel

[flying beauties]

What are contractions? I'm sorry I'm Irish and I've never heard of contractions being used in this context.

Now you're fucking with me on purpose.

groovy kid gets 1+++ for effective trolling

mollie's town pile for now:

cat
fear thing
pasch

probably jklm

mebbe groovey kid but I did not like his response to me saying I wanted to bus ap and majiffy and town wouldn't help.

varsoon is acting pretty freaking weird. I agree with fear thing that beli's point that he is trying to push is pretty freaking bizarre to say the least, I am just not sure what that means. I will talk to angel but I am thinking we should give beli a day.

VOTE: ap

eta: oh hai bucky in what world would you take what beli is doing as "banter"?

[flying beauties]

eta: oh hai bucky in what world would you take what beli is doing as "banter"?

The contraction discussion, if it leads to nothing could be a way to show you are participating in the thread without actually having to read someone.

that isn't what banter means.

@ majiffy

I already said why I find beli sus.

[flying beauties]

Mollie can we compromise somewhere?

Somewhere that is not Buckwild or Majiffy?

Why? Mollie and I talked over this.
AP, If you want us to believe you.. Join us and help lynching majiffy... We dont trust him. Not in this game.

@PASHCE:

I'm not cautious, just belligerent and busy.

@FLYING BEAUTIES:

Yo, Mollie, I don't quite like your appeal to ethos in 222. I've been skeptical of you for this whole game, but that's because I'm -always- skeptical of you. How do you feel about AP, and what insight can you give me about how your hydra partner plays?

-V

Your being busy is no excuse for not scum hunting. Anyone who ISO your posts would tell that you basically done zero scum hunting. How would you defend that?

Welp, Varsoon is back to derping.

Damn it, man,
Let me live without putting me in the dirt every time I make a move!

Nah, you rubbing dirt on yourself.

Cut the crap majiffy.. Get to the point.
Is your vote serious? if so, why? why do you think we are scum?

Someone's a little paranoid aren't they

VOTE: beauties

I could have sworn I voted them during RVS but I guess it never posted. Huh. That's what I get for usin my phone I suppose~

"Lol beauties are flailing, better hop on dat wagon

Also Im on my phone so excuse any lurking and/or scumposts from my slot"

Agreed, also with 111, seemed innocent first time i read 98 but like Acrangel stated before: highly opportunistic.

GG

Actually i feel this post is more opportunistic than JKLM post. d

Paschendale is still very much scum in my eyes. I'm pretty sure that's what Guyett was trying to say, but he said "town" instead of "scum".

Yet you think Pasch is scum?

Avoiding the prod. I am awaiting to see ssk's replacement's thoughts on the votes against him before deciding to keep/change my vote.

can you please try to be more useful? What you're thoughts on being today's lynch candidate?

Mollie might need to be policy lynched.

Shut up!!!!!

I have a feeling in stating the obvious but I'm p sure reaper is town, I don't think scum would be posting this much content, after all the more stuff ya say the more you have a chance of spewing garbage

you're wrong, Scum can post as much as content as townie can, this is no excuse to say someone may be town for this. And players from this game is very much capable of posting more content than town as sucm. And the interesting fact is that Grim raising supiciouns over you and you read him town.. Smells ilke you're bussing him!!!

For now?

Vote: AP

Seriously Varsoon? Is the best you can do ?



right now, I dont feel good about Varsoon at all. I have been in games with him where he was usually gets lynched on day 1 becuz of his play but he never lurked, at least he defended himself pretty well but he is been so bad in this game that none of his posts has sense.

If mollie is okay.. I think we can just lynch varson today.

-
Angel

sorry for the hydra slip

[flying beauties]

VOTE: Beli

Having talked to grim we feel placing our vote here will be more productive today. We can look more into pasch tomorrow. Also Splintered seems to be escaping too many people's attention today and will certainly need looking into tomorrow.

I believe that is a L-1 vote.

I am not voting beli anymore either cos I am starting to lean town on him a little.

I will only be lynching from this pile most likely:

majiffy
ap
varsoon
bucky

will you plz work with us?

@ lying cat and fear and loading

I would like to form a town bloc with you 2, are you guys open to it?

whoops

@ grim - yeah, I apologise ahead of time about any alt slips but I am in about 5 games with 5 different hydras so it might happen.

[flying beauties]

Oh wait, yeah, I -do- feel good about this.

Vote: The Grim Reaper

I'm pretty busy now, but I'll try to post something worthwhile later today.

horrible

[flying beauties]

@flying Grim wouldn't be opposed to a AP lynch, I need to do an ISO on him before making up my own mind.
~G

okay.

wouldn't mind varsoon at this point either in fact we may go full blown metal jacket on them.

eta: xpost

groovy kid NOOOOOOOO!!!! varsoon can be cocky scum too, trust me on this.

so can majiffy.

[flying beauties]

groovy kid NOOOOOOOO!!!! varsoon can be cocky scum too, trust me on this.

so can majiffy.

Are you planning on doing anything this game or...?

I can always tell when I am right about majiffy when he starts trolling

[flying beauties]

you should craft your scum game after your town game, not the other way around.

if you are town then it is just another disappointment cos you could be a big help and you aren't.

[flying beauties]

Which town people are being wagoned. Why are they town? How are the pushes scummy? Which ideas are awful?

If you had to pick 3 people that are scummiest who are they?

I did overgeneralize a bit. JKLM doesn't look towny. He just doesn't look scummy at all. AP and Bel look towny. The votes on them are inane at best.

Pasch if you had to vote someone other than Buckwild, who would it be.

Because hes not getting lynched today.

Maybe JKLM, but not eagerly. Nobody stands out enough as scum and only a handful of people are really proving themselves town. I would be willing to vote Darthe or Beauties, perhaps.

you do realise that you did not answer groovy kid's question at all...right?

remove pasch from the town pile

[flying beauties]

My thoughts on being today's lynch candidate is that I will not be lynched. k thanks.

Yo, AA9.

I'm not doing my best, that's for sure.

But I'm town.

So, that's basically what you're going to have to live with.

these two.. Oh gosh!, please find a way to get them out... I am done!!

Oh wait, yeah, I -do- feel good about this.

Vote: The Grim Reaper

I'm pretty busy now, but I'll try to post something worthwhile later today.

@flying Grim wouldn't be opposed to a AP lynch, I need to do an ISO on him before making up my own mind.
~G

You guys aren't just panicking over Varsoon voting you are you?

Because your stance on me makes no sense.

What discussions have I abandoned that don't suit me? And really elaborate on that. Im going to talk about what Im interested in with my time in the thread and not things I dont care about..much like what everyone does ever.

Are you kidding AP, why would anyone can get panic over Varsoon votes. Does he ever had any real case in this game so far on his votes?
are you trying back up Varson dumb play by chance?

Ok, to be fair I haven't read your wall yet >.>

I find it difficult to get on after work when FF is sponging all my time.

But I haven't forgotten.

this isn't you!!
You always read stuff and have very strong cases and assumptions on players. there is whole lot of town you is missing from you in this game. I am going to have chat with mollie about this. I am leaning scum on you...

@AP: Does anyone panic when I vote them?

@FlyBeau: <3 Just don't hurt yourself.

@Grim: I'll elaborate a bit more when I get some time to do so.

*face palm*

groovy kid NOOOOOOOO!!!! varsoon can be cocky scum too, trust me on this.

so can majiffy.

Are you planning on doing anything this game or...?

We lynch you instead majiffy!!

So JKLM continues to avoid posting. We need to get him on the verge of being lynched. He has not responded much at all and appears to be trying to ride it out given the shifts in scrutiny. Can we get some more votes on him?

a lurker complaining on another lurker... How facinating this is...
Buck, why don't you give your thoughs on Grim, varson, Ap, cat and majiffy.

[flying beauties]

^
Angel

[flying beauties]

Oh god, prod dodging.

Like half the people in this game I just don't want to respond to. Bad posters are bad.

plz sub the fuck out.

I am being dead serious here. there are at least half a dozen players who would jump at the chance to play this game for the playerlist alone. I 4 1 am sick to death of your pointless dick waving and useless bitching. it would be nice to have some1 in your slot who was actually interested in playing the game and not doing...what you are doing which is a mediocre attempt at nothing.

in the entire time I have been on this site I think I have never asked a player to sub out before but I am beyond fed up with you.

[flying beauties]

@ cat

I am not as nearly sure as I would like to be of majiffy. ever since he started his new job his play has sucked, I mean really really sucked. he was good in walking dead but he was an absolute disaster in 2 rooms, a game we just finished as a hydra together. he is jumping on any wagon that looks like it will pick up steam so he is demonstrating that he doesn't really care who is lynched. he will sheep our vote on 1 hand and then ask for a pl on us with the other. I could almost buy him sheeping our vote cos he knows I am way better at d1 than he is but usually I have to fight him.

long story short, he isn't town telling at all, right now I am thinking an ap/majiffy/varsoon combo.

also yeah, I have the reaper as town.

where are you at with fear and loading?

also I did not like pasch's last post at all.

@ ap

soooooo what do you think of majiffy calling for a pl on us? who are your town reads? who are your scum reads? I would like a list pretty plz.

[flying beauties]

Oh god, prod dodging.

Like half the people in this game I just don't want to respond to. Bad posters are bad.

plz sub the fuck out.

I am being dead serious here. there are at least half a dozen players who would jump at the chance to play this game for the playerlist alone. I 4 1 am sick to death of your pointless dick waving and useless bitching. it would be nice to have some1 in your slot who was actually interested in playing the game and not doing...what you are doing which is a mediocre attempt at nothing.

in the entire time I have been on this site I think I have never asked a player to sub out before but I am beyond fed up with you.

*whiny little bitch post*

[flying beauties]

oh and tuck that thing back into your pants I am pretty sure no1 is impressed!!!!!

[flying beauties]

I was impressed but I would never admit it.

you don't count you're scum you are supposed to pretend to be easily impressed.

Beauties, summarize your read on Darthe for me.

feels town

oh and tuck that thing back into your pants I am pretty sure no1 is impressed!!!!!

I like you more like this.

Keep it up and we might find someone to scizzor you in an alley, sugar

can't we just go to a drag show isn't there supposed to be a really good 1 in raleigh?

[flying beauties]

which would entail what. I'm not sure that I want to lynch the same people that you do. Perhaps Varsoon, but I need to think about it.

I find it weird that in our experience with each other you are acting like you have no idea what I am talking about.

[flying beauties]

I would rather lynch Varsoon than Belisaurius if people aren't willing to lynch obvious scum today.

Both of us I think are very happy to lynch Varsoon but we have preferred targets. Also we have to be very careful here as this looks like the beginning of a Policy lynch due to Varsoon's complete lack of fucks towards the game and inability/unwillingness to read the thread. Personally I don't like policy lynches but if there was time for one now is that time

~G

for us, it wouldn't be a pl

[flying beauties]

which would entail what. I'm not sure that I want to lynch the same people that you do. Perhaps Varsoon, but I need to think about it.

I find it weird that in our experience with each other you are acting like you have no idea what I am talking about.

If you expect me to surrender my vote to you, that's not going to happen.

I'm town reading you. I think Quil is too. I'm happy to cooperate.

wat

that isn't at all what it means

how did you get that

it means we compare notes, share reads and work together by moving people in if we think theyare town and moving the people who do not belong there out. we vote the person that every1 agrees on.

[flying beauties]

EspeciallyTheLies replaces Splintered Shadow, effective immediately.

WELCOME HER, JERKWADS, OR INCUR MY WRATH.

ETL, please confirm by posting an insult to a player of your choice from this player list.

etl!

and yaye we got more estrogen in the game woohoo!

[flying beauties]

also jklm is posting elsewhere on site and ignoring this game. again.

[flying beauties]

yeah I think I might be slowly coming around to that. mebbe

gonna talk to arc

[flying beauties]

oh and <3

[flying beauties]

Can we lynch JKLM now?

not until gets the chance to get her feet in the game and I can put up a reads list.

and don't you dare fucking encourage anybody to do it until we are ready.

jklm it is time to claim

[flying beauties]

goddammit

guyett you are on my shit list

[flying beauties]

goddammit

guyett you are on my shit list

why?

wht part of I wanted to hear back from etl and I wanted to post a reads lists that you do not understand.

[flying beauties]

and I also believe that your own hydra expressed that he was not ready for the day to end

[flying beauties]

quick cobbled together reads:

ap - arc and I are both scumreading him but for completely different reasons. for arc, it is ap's distinct lack of scumhunting. fyi, ap is up for a scummy for paragon of scumhunters and he deserves it cos he is good. neither of us are seeing it in this game and if you think you are then you do not know ap or what he is capable of. my reasons are cos of the lack of paranoia. he treated majiffy as town right off the bat and only gives a town read when forced to. he is too smooth and he is not worried about being nked - at all, which he should be cos he would be a high priority for scum.

neither of us like bucky.

I was feeling really good about fear and loading until the recent exchanges with zden, who is acting like he has never played with me before. so null but mebbe town, I dunno when a player does that they usually turn out to be scum cos usually scum avoid close proximity with town players but still leaning mebbe town.

feel good about the reaper and lying cat. <--- don't touch them.

majiffy, dunno, depends how jklm flips. a jklm scum flip make us reevaluate.

if jklm is town I am going to be pissed.

back to unsure on darth

pasch isn't really doing much and his reads lack a progression.

I think there is somebody else but I forget.

[flying beauties]

majiffy, dunno, depends how jklm flips. a jklm scum flip make us reevaluate.

Right ok, but not me. Got it.

Glad to know you have any intentions of working with me this game Mollie.

oh plz. if you had any intentions of working with me you would have done so, not bromancing it up with majiffy.

and yes, I know how both of you work as scum and I could totally see you 2 ballsing it up and powering your way through I mean to a lesser extent that is what we did in legends but in this game you can really amp it up cos you have a nk.

[flying beauties]

Yeah so how did people not see that it was a fake hammer?

Sometimes, when you really want to see something, your mind makes you see.

or

it could be something simple like THERE HASN'T BEEN A RECENT VC.

but hey, why go for occam's razor when you can put some1 down in order to make yourself feel good.

[flying beauties]

Mollie the fact of the matter is that I strongly disagree with most of your reads this game. Yo have been scumreading me since P1 so you and AA asserting that is because "Im not scumhunting" is really just not factual. At best you are just suffering from confirmation bias and cant think of any concrete reason for your belief that Im scum so we get this vague generalization from you that even attempts to discredit my reads which you asked for.

it isn't confirmation bias, scum just like to discredit town's reads that way by calling it that.

your lack of scumhunting AND PARANOIA AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT BEING NKED is why

I

am reading you as scum. cos lets face it you are like the easter bunny on crack when it comes to paranoia in a game when you are town.

and I have not discredited your reads except on majiffy which you seemed to have had before the game even started.

Im just going to do this live then - what did you make of my reads list since you asked for it? Do you seriously think Majiffy was supporting a PL on you? You are an emotional player, I think you'll find the tone of his post to obviously not be indicative of that. Instead of realizing obvious shit that is going on around you, you won't let it go and instead are trying to pin my (lack of) response to it as scummy when I DID address it immediately in a humorous way to and later clarified that all that happened WAS humor.

you don't bait a bear and get to wonder why the bear tries to rip your throat out afterwards. sorry.

Like nothing you are doing is asking me to dialogue about any player. All I get from you is that Im butt buddies with Majiffy and that buck is a partner. Like when Varsoon asked you about reads you frantically go off about that and plead for his assistance? I can take so much chanting "ap is scum ap is scum ap is scum" before deciding its just better to tune it out to prevent lolposhmafia from happening again with anti-town bullshit abound because you wont even stop to follow up on things you ask from me.

I

told

you people that uber goober was scum in posh. jesus fucking christ he even said why he was leaving me alive in the game and you people let him get away with it. so don't put that shit on me. I couldn't get any1 in the town bloc to vote him including you.

and I am pretty sure you have been tuning me out all along.

[flying beauties]

And now you are totally ready to buddy up to Majiffy after this JKLM flip and the guy who has been shoving this harder than anyone is still scum.

Like I would expect scum you to posture about the JKLM flip wrt my alignment at least, you just not even acknowledging that I have a huge part in it but giving Majiffy olive branches and towncred over it is...

tl;dr

I didn't extend an olive branch I said I would reeval. skeered?

stop putting words in my mouth and trying to gaslight me.

[flying beauties]

it isn't confirmation bias, scum just like to discredit town's reads that way by calling it that.

Fact: You have been calling me scum all game since I suggested wagoning you.

Fiction: You have any reason to believe Im not scumhunting. The irony here is that I did that to get a read on you and I did and you have been scumreading me for doing that......and now Im just not scumhunting. Ok mollie.

fact: that is arc's reason for thinking you are scum not mine.

fiction: the crap you just laid out

If you were paying attention this game, Im fairly content with my reads for today and would like to avoid crap DL lynches and "omg AP" wall wars like what is now happening.

Paranoia about being NKd? What the fuck are you expecting me to post "OMG Im defo going to die tonight" in every other post? Its Day 1. I know that I might get NKd. Im not going to waste everyones time complaining about it. And given the moderate suspicion on me, I don't think its EXTREMELY likely. My ego really isnt that big; I just fake it sometimes.

I would expect you to leave a stronger trail cos you know that some people will look back on it.

"you don't bait a bear and get to wonder why the bear tries to rip your throat out afterwards. sorry."
I dont even have words for this.

"I told you people that uber goober was scum in posh"
Good for you! And I told everyone that Vifam ws scum all game but no one would lynch that shit because of all the spam and anti-town bullshit largely coming from town players.

I was in a tight spot with vifam if it would have picked up steam mebbe cos I scumread him on d1. he and I were masons in another and being masons in posh confused things cos he was matching up his play. I know better now

I've been tuning you out because you have brought nothing to the table for me to work with and I am telling yo precisely why I believe you are town and honoring your requests as you make them, so no. Im not ignoring you.

I have brought town reads to the table...what do you think of those?

P-edit: Mollie I hope you reevaluate your life choices after this game.

no u

[flying beauties]

also the spam from posh came almost entirely from scum.

anyways

suppose I treat you as town your list is that bucky and majiffy are town

we are not comfy with either of those, do you have any others?

[flying beauties]

last post I am going to make for a while unless ap bothers to respond

pascsh's latest post looks like a suck up to ap.

also if majiffy was vig-killed I wouldn't shed a tear.

@ mod - can we have vc{/b]

[flying beauties]

last post I am going to make for a while unless ap bothers to respond

wow, subtle implication that Im avoiding posting. Ok Mollie.

I would expect you to leave a stronger trail cos you know that some people will look back on it.

Horseshit. I have been very explicitly eliminating people from the lynch pool today as I go. I even got shit over "omg AP is defending Buck so hard they are buddies etc"

Re town reads: Actually I wouldn't mind talking about Lying Cat. Gun to my head, its a town slot, but I can't really pull anything I find interesting out of their posting to back that thought up.

yes, lying cat is town.

if you do not find anything interesting about their posts then you clearly are not paying attention to the game.

[flying beauties]

Jiffy and AP, let's talk about something other than Mollie. Unless you actually want to lynch her, let's talk about who we should lynch.

I was like just now begging people to hammer JKLM so we can move on from this crap that Mollie is stirring up with me.

If mollie wasn't obvious town I'd call her goading me into wall wars an excellent scumtactic from her.

So posh.

Would lynch ETL for splintered being an opportunistic lurkbutt and ETL trying to sound eager to help by asking people to avoid hammering and giving way too many bothers about how her posts are received:

Probably premature but checking in. Continuing my reading now (lunch break).

I'm on page 5 or something. Useless caca so far. Or at least I cant get anything useful out of it.

I mean come on. She apparently has some reads from it but we get this general assertion that is all crap anyways?

Scum

ap is scum poasting at

its

his finest.

[flying beauties]

I am so glad we are going to be nked 2night

[flying beauties]

Focusing on the technicalities of language is a very scummy defense to make.

not when the player on the offence is twisting words into subtle misreps and this is not the only player you have done this to.

[flying beauties]

Hey Mollie, you do realize that two of the people you've wanted to lynch and have been QQing about all game are voting each other.

Thought you'd like to help us 1v1 each other.

I believe our vote is still on you.

[flying beauties]

it isn't omgus when you already had suspicion on the person in the first place.

[flying beauties]

I find it curious that someone who claims to scumhunt using behavioral baseline deviation analysis wouldn't understand the principles behind the active lurking and IIoA tells.

I understand how they work. I'm sure they were very useful scumtactics back in the Punic Wars, but

today

, in 2013, they're just sound and fury, signifying nothing.

you know I find your reaction to this weird, since when we played scum I actively lurked and in nearly every large game that scum have won the scum teams did, indeed, actively lurk.

so your incorrect and quil has a point.

[flying beauties]

thank you darthe for quickhammering.

reads:

town

lying cats
fear and loading

unsure leaning town

varsoon - I like his exchanges with ap but arc is sus of him.
darthe
grim - posts come from a town POV but arc is sus of them.

unsure

etl
beli
jklm

leaning scum

ap
majiffy
bucky
pasch

I think that is every1.

[flying beauties]

goddammit majiffy

remove majiffy from the scumlist

[flying beauties]

What are you waiting for from Mollie?

But ok

I want her to

fully and completely

elaborate on why she's

just now

removing me from her scumlist.

you are in the unsure/possible scum pile make no mistake about it.

I sort of town read you when you said ap might be scum but looking back there is a distinct lack of conviction that you actually believe this.

@ etl

first thing my first mentor ever taught me is once you have scum in your sights never let them go

unless they town tell like fuck

he isn't quite doing that

[flying beauties]

fuck it

ap and majiffy are still scum and it is just gut and based on their interactions

[flying beauties]

^scum

[flying beauties]

keep trying to justify a nk on me ap

[flying beauties]

this is who fear and loading were sus of:

varsoon
beli
pasch
ap

eta: @ etl - if you think he is scum then why are you not voting him?

[flying beauties]

Welp.
VOTE: AP

y

Bcz scumz jiffylube.

buh y

I'll let Varscum answer this, though I don't expect much since he doesn't have a good history of actually explaining anything.

if you would rather wait to get the whole picture to see if a case is warranted then why are you blatantly pushing varsoon as scum?

[flying beauties]

VOTE: varsoon

[flying beauties]

VOTE: etl

[flying beauties]

Thor665 replaces Varsoon, effective immediately!

ALL WILL BOW TO THE MIGHTY THOR!

I was like really happy for this!

Dammit. I dont know thor.

Don't worry, tailor, you will. I grow on people.
Like fungus.

In other news - hi everybody!
Who should I sheep?

then I read this and I was even more excited
sheep me thor!

Varsoon's reactions to my mistake, EtL's case against him, the replacement... all make Varsoon look pretty scummy. He only voted for AP and Grim on day 1, both people I lean town on, and then his reaction to EtL's case was an OMGUS vote, which was just sad.

Sorry, Thor.

No need to apologize to me personally.
All of town suffers from the use of that case

But, no, seriously, what was scummy about my reactions to your 'mistake'?

the bold is weird. and I was so sure that varsoon was town.

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I do have better things to do with my day then spend all day trying to deal with your and AP's parano-derp.
Yes, i play good scum.
Get over your bad selves and stop leaping at shadows and acting like it means something.

so are ap and I town?

Or that we both are scum and we are just playing you for a fool putting out scum lists with a common link to set up an easy mislynch?

I did not consider this because that would be a rather odd and strange play to manage to pull in the hopes of a replacement coming in and carrying it through for you.
Considering it, I will now dismiss it as rather silly.
My logic continues to hold.

freaking weird ass sentiment given the context of the discussion.

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so are ap and I town?

Maybe.
But if you're scum faking it you're allowed to drop it too.

freaking weird Smurf sentiment given the context of the discussion.

Actually...no it wasn't.

faking what?

[flying beauties]

eta: and drop what?

[flying beauties]

why is thor dodging my questions?

discuss

[flying beauties]

Lazy? I don't think he's read the thread yet. There's a lot to read and I'm down with giving him some time. Varsoon going to live with a nice family on a farm was pretty null to me anyway.

he won't read the thread. he prefers interaction to get his reads if I am not mistaken.

@ thor

no, I still don't understand what you mean by "faking". *forgive* me for being confused and asking you to clarify.

scumhunt majiffy and I will be satisfied.

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I was asking you what you thought ap and I were faking?

being town? how do you come to that conclusion w/o reading the thread.

[flying beauties]

VOTE: ap

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I am good with lynching darthe.

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Haven't read yet. Don't hammer please. Be on in a few hrs

oh thank god now I don't have to worry about you anymore

[flying beauties]

I love Mollie even though I cannot always understand her and it frustrates me to no end.

thanks thor I love you too!

[flying beauties]

is there a tl;dr version to that

[flying beauties]

I am telling you that we think majiffy and ap are scum and we think bucky is number #3.

I'm finding this hilarious, given our interactions.

wat interactions

[flying beauties]

mastin in all of your 500 million posts you are not interacting with me comfortably. why is that

[flying beauties]

Mastin for the love of god can you not buldermar the shit out of this thread?

loled

going back to answer don't panic

[flying beauties]

I assume you mean this:

On a scale of 1 to fire bomb rope death, how sure are you of this?

an 8

he feels like he knows he is scum and will be caught.

I think the mastin/ap dynamic will shed some light on each other and I am leaning towards lynching ap although I can go for a pasch lynch too I think

why the fuck did it take you so long to towntell

I am leaning town on thor. I think.

[flying beauties]

I think my vote is already on ap

[flying beauties]

majiffy can we talk about pasch and ap being scum and the only 2 on the same wagon

[flying beauties]

and mastin is still avoiding me

[flying beauties]

It doesn't matter because what I see happening is "Oh he's my friend. He's town. That guy's my friend too, so he is also town." What I see happening is, "Look, ETL is inexperienced. She doesn't know how to defend herself. She'd be easy to lynch." That's what I see.

I'm fucking sick of it. I'm fucking goddamn sick of it.

you are not on the menu for today!

it will be okay, mebbe

[flying beauties]

and mastin is still avoiding me

[flying beauties]

and mastin is still avoiding me

[flying beauties]

and mastin is still avoiding me

[flying beauties]

well I am going to defend you.

I think you are being hardballed but I am trying to figure out what this means.

[flying beauties]

majiffy can you plz give me your thoughts on mastin.

[flying beauties]

VOTE: pacsh

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...is that a hammer?

mollie.. before he locks us away for the next couple days....

Why have you not talked with me?

I haven't talked much to anybody in this day round except majiffy once I got a good read on him.

if pacsh flips scum I don't think that will auto you as scum. does that help?

I am sorry you are feeling lost and lonely this game.

[flying beauties]

VOTE: ap

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eli if you are town do not give up hope.

[flying beauties]

Agreed on Darthe. He's definitely one of the options for dessert.

Need to talk to Guyett about what his problem with Belisarius was again, because all I can see coming from that slot recently is town.

Angry Pideon's behavior is still as scummy. The only difference between yesterday and the day before it, is that he suddenly did give the impression he wanted to live. He said he'd claim at L-1, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't call his bluff and put him at L-1. We can still decide afterwards. There's no way Angry Pidgeon will not be facing an L-1 at some point during this game, we might as well get that over with.

Paschendale will definitely get lynched this game. Whether it be today, tomorrow, or in LyLo, he's getting lynched and that thought makes me happy.

EtL, well, her reactions yesterday have put growing doubts in my mind. Her reads-list isn't terrible at first glance, but will scrutinize it more carefully today.

Thor should be part of the townblock Lying Cat.

As for flying beauties: they have mostly dissappeared from this game, which is a shame. Want to see them come back here in full force. I remember having a strong townread on them but given they haven't been here for so long, I forgot why.

GG

fos the shit out of this misrep when I have 3 posts on the previous page. and I have posts on the pages before that. in fact, I may have even posted more than you this day round but I can't be sure.

don't think for a second that you can sow suspicion when you THINK that I am not around.

@ mod - permanent v/la on weekends

[flying beauties]

@ mod - permanent v/la on weekends

The prod timer freezes on weekends, you goober.

[flying beauties]

I knew you were going to throw a hissyfit over this.

Don't think for a second you can sow suspicion on me for simply saying I'd like you to be as involved with the game as in the beginning. This is not a misrep so put the index finger of suspicion somewhere where I can't see it.

You admitted it yourself so STOP BEING SO DAMN TOUCHY.

I did not admit it myself in fact I do believe that I said that I

had

been active this day round.

second part sounded dirty.

I haven't talked much to anybody in this day round except majiffy once I got a good read on him.

It is simply because I miss you <3

GG

I am here groovy kid! what do you want to talk about

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Let's talk about Darthe. You said you wouldn't mind lynching him at a time everyone was talking about PAschendale and Angry Pidgeon. what moved you to that statement?

cos he looked scummy at the time.

Are you as confident in AP and Paschendale scum as mastin and MAjiffy (and myself) are?

wat.

I mean wtf is this hit, majiffy isn't confident about ap scum at all that is why he asked me to give a number. he is trusting mastin and I. I have also been scumreading ap since yesterday. seriously, wat

You know Angry Pidgeon as scum pretty well i imagine. The one thing that gives me pause with AP is all this talk (and personal experience) I heared about him being so great as scum. If he's scum,h e wasn't that great here. MAybe he's been careless, but as town. So careless that he made himself look scummy. If AP is so good as everyone says as scum, I wonder then how it can be that he's become a close to universal scumread.

GG

I really...really...REALLY dislike the tone in this post. if he is scum (and I am pretty sure he is) he hasn't been playing bad at all he just doesn't have super awsum scummates like qwints and I to deflect suspicion of him.

you are out of my town pile.

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@FB - also, I am left uncertain about the total drop off in interaction with you. I have been choosing to actively ignore you because, honestly, debates with you become painful and derpy in my mind. However, I am surprised at how, after some early pressure, you started to ignore me completely as well.

Do you have a town read on me?
If so, why?
If not, can you clarify why you are not interacting with me?

I ignore you for the same reasons.

I had varsoon as possible town and mebbe the replace was town but then you subbed in and somehow managed to make it look scummy. I have you as unsure but I am leaving majiffy to sort you out for now, for when he gets around to it.

also did you catch that I am v/la on weekends.

also how can you be townreading majiffy and scumreading mastin they are masons if I am not mistaken. derp

[flying beauties]

If anyone deserves credit for the Angry Pidgeon-lynch that is about to happen it's me. flying beauties may have picked up on it first, but for the wrong reasons that would never have convinced anyone.

I AM THE BEST.

ME.


-Guyett

just because you do not understand the reasons does not mean they are wrong, that is like mafia 101. it is meta read and the only counterargument you could make is "I don't have experience with him" so

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This is ridiculous.

Jiffy, you have no reason to town read him. Your mason stuff is stupid. Stop trying to get me to vote people I don't think are scum. Makes me think you are scum. And anyway, I'd lynch pasch over AP if I was forced to choose between them. He made a lot of good points D1 and I see more contradictions in Pasch's ISO than his.

okay I am going to try to wrap my head around this.

masons are confirmed town to each other. majiffy towntelled and I believe the claim. so if you have 1 as scum, you have to have them both as scum.

ap before pasch cos head before ass and all

[flying beauties]

Show me where I'm claiming the AP wagon as mine.

And because AP is more of a danger than Pasch and I'm still alive now so I want him sorted.

1. You did when you suggested your death would derail it as though you were somehow the ramrod when majiffy was blatantly the real ramrod.

2. Okay, on a theoretical he is more "dangerous". Now, who is more likely scum?

Those still in doubt concerning AP: read again starting from post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5404878 .

It's the interactions following that that completely sealed the deal for me on AP being scum, and I should expect it will do so for everyone possessing a brain.

GG

I glazed over instantly on it, but will be willing to hand you that it makes him look scummy.
That said, are you seriously finding that a larger torch than what Pasch has been up to?

1. that isn't owning the wagon that is saying if he dies there will be 1 less (loud) townie to push that wagon and ap is very good at slipping through the noose
2. why are you treating the 2 as mutually exclusive when we are clearly not? that is a terrible way to break down an argument.

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This is ridiculous.

Jiffy, you have no reason to town read him. Your mason stuff is stupid. Stop trying to get me to vote people I don't think are scum. Makes me think you are scum. And anyway, I'd lynch pasch over AP if I was forced to choose between them. He made a lot of good points D1 and I see more contradictions in Pasch's ISO than his.

okay I am going to try to wrap my head around this.

masons are confirmed town to each other. majiffy towntelled and I believe the claim. so if you have 1 as scum, you have to have them both as scum.

ap before pasch cos head before Smurf and all

Wait, are people taking the Mason thing seriously?
As in, either of you?

I didn't until today.

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1. that isn't owning the wagon that is saying if he dies there will be 1 less (loud) townie to push that wagon and ap is very good at slipping through the noose
2. why are you treating the 2 as mutually exclusive when we are clearly not? that is a terrible way to break down an argument.

1. Yeah, but that's not what he said.

2. Why are you acting like, connected or not, somehow AP needs to go first if you don't think he's the more likely scum? And if you think they're both scum, no worries about it - then why sweat AP going first even if he is "dangerous" because, let me assure you, scum could double tap both Majiffy *and* Mastin tonight, and if Pasch flipped scum then AP would still be lynched tomorrow, so...?

I didn't until today.

This begs for explanation.

1. that is what i got out of it
2. 2 scumreads, head before the ass. get rid of the player you think is more dangerous and least likely to be lynched in order to clear the pathway for a town win.

majiffy and mastin are

treating

each other as masons you would have to be a dummy to miss it. and majiffy towntelled.

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Even look at the vote count.
Literally ALL FOUR people voting AP claim Pasch is scum.

Which means we could have Pasch at L-1 with a hammer intent RIGHT NOW.
And you guys are avoiding doing that.
Because...
Danger is AP

are you town reading ap?

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Oooh, and if you want a second one, here it is.
If AP was setting up to bus Pasch he got cold feet when it actually happened. Which suggests Pasch is of some value besides just being a goon.
Huuuuur.

Whassup?

I have to say I do enjoy the effort of cooking and baking of the wifom buffet he has so generously laid before us.

[flying beauties]

WIFOM is more about what you bring to the table rather than what the scum bring to the table.
The simple question is only 'do you think he was trying to bus or mislynch Pasch'

Are you now implying mislynch?
If not, wanna vote Pasch? Becuase...seriously now, he's as hard to lynch as AP don't'cha'know.

actually I was talking about you.

I am not moving my vote and ignoring majiffy's and mastin's mason is pretty funny (not to mention scummy) at this point

[flying beauties]

*mason claim

[flying beauties]

Who is your biggest town read?
~G

I dont know anymore. It was moolie. But i dont like the fact that she is basically sheeping what used to be her biggest scum read on day one, and i agree with thor on the post he made on the last page (i'll quote when i get back to my desk) about pasch. I also dont agree with the mason thing and i'd rather have that cleared up instead of sly hint dropping or jokes i cant figure out if they are serious or not.

fuck this shit I am NOT fucking sheeping majiffy you giant dummy.

let me just make this in the biggest font so no1 else misses it. majiffy asked ME on what I thought of ap cos he was unsure. that is NOT fucking sheeping

.

jesus fucking christ

mastin, majiffy can you both just say yes or no as to whether or not you are masons tia

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sorry.

I am sorry etl, I didn't mean to blow up at you.

it just feels like nobody is reading the game except scum. and mebbe not even them.

I was being serious mastin and majiffy, plz answer whether or not you are masons

[flying beauties]

fake eta: xpost, okay that changes things. cos you didn't give a read on mastin.

and it is with bert

fake eta2: thor you are a dummy
fake eta3: no, I am not. I feel a little dumb but I was going with the info I had and the interactions.
fake eta4: you are still a dummy

[flying beauties]

oh and ap is a meta read. take

that

.

[flying beauties]

And honestly Mollie, go suck an egg.
Seriously - I was right, I was blatantly right, I pointed out to you that you were wrong and wasn't even rude about it when I did, and I get called a dummy.

You are really annoying.

you were right about them not being masons - have a cookie!

the term "dummy" is an endearment.

[flying beauties]

also I hate it when thor gets all sensitive on me

I never know how to deal with him which is why I was leaving him to majiffy but I like playing with him.

[flying beauties]

Don't worry Thor might be scum.

Keep strong on the AP wagon.

That you are refusing to directly engage me about this belief (either one) is rather bizarre.

@Mollie - thoughts on that?

thor I don't know what to make of you being so worried that no1 is engaging you. I am torn between treating you like a fragile flower or mercilessly making fun of you.

I didn't think much of it tbh. right now I am townreading majiffy. it could change. he knows that. I don't see where you have gone out of your way to interact with him if that is what you are wanting.

I find it more bizarre that you are complaining that people aren't interacting with you as a way to initiate interaction with them.

[flying beauties]

Me opposing the lynch he supports and calling the logic for it bad didn't work.
Also me chiding him for weak play didn't work.
What do you suggest i try next?

1. calling the logic bad in the way that you did was bad.
2. his play is not weak
3. mebbe ask him to cuddle? I am not exactly sure what you are looking for

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1. No, it wasn't, and even if it was that doesn't mean he should ignore it - arguably that should suggest he ought to be more likely to swat at it.
2. I disagree, but the question isn't about that.
3. As I have stated multiple times (read pl0x) I find his lack of assault into my stance questionable. Majiffy should either want me on his side (and thus care to spend 30 seconds communicating with me) or should find my stance laughable (in which case he should shout me down)

Would *you* expect to be ignored if you were in a game with him and opposing a major push he was on?
That is my point.

yeah, sometimes he does.

he has gotten quite lazy lately. but the signals are there if you look

[flying beauties]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29543

derp hammered twice.

[flying beauties]

most of the posts were him. it should be easy to tell us apart.

[flying beauties]

well yeah there was a newbie game where I pretty much 1v1 him for being lazy.

he has stepped up his game in this day round mebbe you have inspired him.

[flying beauties]

lookit dat bussin

here let me help you:

VOTE: ap