Micro 273: There is Trouble in Paradise (Game Over)

[YellowKingValley]

/confirm

[YellowKingValley]

I smelt blood...

VOTE: JasonWazza

[YellowKingValley]

Are you an alt, katarina?

Kagami kagami on the wall...

[YellowKingValley]

My vote for snacks!

VOTE: Deltabacon for L-1.

[YellowKingValley]

To make scum like you react like you did

Please hammer! Since you called him scum and have yet to vote.

[YellowKingValley]

桃之夭夭，灼灼其华；

The young and elegant peach tree,
Brilliant is the blossom;

[YellowKingValley]

And why not?

Yeah yeah Wisdom answer! Why not! We won't accept answers on the lines of "burden of the response was on you".

[YellowKingValley]

^ my post above is olive in colour...

[YellowKingValley]

PhDScar's is more useful than RVS.

[YellowKingValley]

JasonWazza is in cahoots with Deltabacon. Here's my story:

Spoiler: !

VOTE: JasonWazza Long time no see!

Translation: Hi scumbuddy!

VOTE: Citizen M

Avoiding all them wagonable chances.

Also i'm glad i'm popular amongst you all <3

Translation: Ugh oh. My wagon is going too fast. Help!

VOTE: Wisdom After playing one game with him as scum I no his meta backwards and forewords. This is scum Wisdom.

Translation: Hi, I am a tasty scumbait! I look stupid and don't know how to spell properly.

What a nice, general statement you have there. Care to elaborate further? It's just that 1) I hate meta as a scumhunting tactic and 2) I fail to see how one game entitles you to make such an outlandish claim.

I may need some convincing. Until then;

UNVOTE: JasonWazza,
VOTE: PhDscar

Translation: An excuse to change vote at last!

@Deltabacon as scum he posts. What is doing now? Posting.

Translation: I give nonsense answers.

That's weak.

Translation: Your nonsense answer is weak...

Because he's tried rather hard to pose it as a serious vote with piss-poor reasoning.

Are you complaining that I'm taking things seriously?

Translation: Time to misrep and put him in bad light.

If he didn't, then why did he reply in a serious fashion?

If you want me to revert back to RVS, let me know.

Translation: You didn't appreciate my effort. Attempt to be town leader failed. I'll act sad and hurt.

...

(hides)

[YellowKingValley]

VOTE: Kagami

Someone with a cuter avatar than mine? Unacceptable.

Trying to avoid scumhunting using avatars, voting Kagami for trivial reasons instead. Not accusing Wisdom and PhDScar for being Blood Mages for having intelligent looking avatars; intelligence = mages is very very suspicious...

However, I find skipping JasonWazza bandwagon to avoid stupid early L-1 normal, in fact voting anyone including herself is normal.

Jerk put penguin-kagami in a zoo.

VOTE: Wisdom

Are you an alt, katarina?

I am not. I am currently a hydra with a friend in another game. Well, we died.

This is my second game here so far. So hi.

Acting newbie and friendly... probably newcomers to our village... newcomers are Blood Mages...

Then again, why would scum claim hydra? Ain't the reason for alts is to hide your identity to fool meta scumhunters?

Why should I care at RVS?

Burden of the response was on you.

Suspiciously cool answers. I find lack of profanities disturbing...

Otherwise it's normal.

No, it's actually on you. You merely dodged the question with "lolrvs".

That was the appropriate response, didn't really want to get into that state where you're feigning scumhunting from something as unnecessary as this. L pls.


Also, did I miss from this Bacon wagon?

I don't like the phrase: "That was the appropriate response". Don't know what she meant.

I don't like that katarina ninja vanished.

I went to bed *sniffle*

Acting defensive! Scum scum! Lacked commitment to this game, she rather sleep. Only scums lack commitment.

If not, I'll ignore this.

That was the appropriate response, didn't really want to get into that state where you're feigning scumhunting from something as unnecessary as this. L pls.

Why feigning? There is a reason people wagon in RVS and that's to get reactions and get the game started. It looks like that's what you wanted to avoid.

As you said, the it's RVS. The votes have no meaning nor does any reaction you try to get. The reactions you get from there are standardized to make it look like someone is scumhunting and trying to make something out of votes that don't carry at all in that game (specifically that wagon and not this L-1).

Why should I try to intervene and get into something not worth investing on. Avoiding it doesn't mean I object to the wagon, I'd say so myself. I just simply don't care.

I wouldn't mind a claim first, I just kinda doubt it'll change the outcome. I very much doubt they're anything but scum.

This is pretty bad, js!

Nothing special...

[YellowKingValley]

I don't really agree with your given translations in regards to Jason. Do some for catarina instead

So you agree with my translations for Deltabacon? Katarina iso above.

[YellowKingValley]

But at least she did acknowledge that the wagon exist by saying: "Also, did I miss from this Bacon wagon?". Lesser scums will just go "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil". I interpret her lack of additional comments as "not too convinced of the wagon to demand claim". Why did you not ask for her opinion on Deltabacon then?

In contrast to you... you are convinced that Deltabacon is scum but yet avoid asking for claim? If you are worried that he might be PR, why don't you devise a method so that he will survive the night even if he claims?

[YellowKingValley]

I'll unvote if you convince me... so tell me...

Because he's tried rather hard to pose it as a serious vote with piss-poor reasoning.

Are you complaining that I'm taking things seriously?

You are voting him because you thought that
1) he is trolling
2) he is stupid scum
3) he is stupid town that needs to be policy lynched

If he didn't, then why did he reply in a serious fashion?

Quote the reply you are referring to.

So I caused a stir, I misrepped something (until he says he was joking I'm still pretty sure I wasn't misrepping)

Until when? By which post?

and then I used a little bit of sarcasm in a response.

Which post?

Which proves I'm scum! Yes! The case has been cracked! (is my sarcasm clear enough now?)

The case on me is weak as shit. It's so very forced and yet it's taken me to L-1. Are we really going to shoot ourselves in the foot this early? It's idiotic at best, lambs to the slaughter-esque at worst.

What do you expect for D1 lynch?

At least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Not me...

[YellowKingValley]

Your pseudo-scumhunting translations are pretty bad. You should work on your impressions before you bring it to the table~

:(

[YellowKingValley]

As far as I was concerned, RVS was over with the back-and-forth between Wisdom and Katarina. He ignored that in favour of something else. That was why I didn't think he was trolling and he was being serious - because he took something that was happening right there (like literally, the post above) and ignored it's content.

Explanation noted. Now please answer my questions.

Fair play, if he was trolling then he was trolling and I snapped that shit up hook, line and sinker. In that case, all I'm guilty of is taking things too seriously. I'm still not seeing how taking things seriously is a scumtell (Kaze).

I can answer, but it will involved questioning other people's intelligence and I do not plan to spoil the mood so early, so I'll let Kaze do it instead.

Would like Kaze to answer Katarina's questions promptly.

Assassin Mage made a statement. I see no questions from her to Kaze... which question?

[YellowKingValley]

In fact, I don't even know what Bacon did.

The least you could do is read our accusations of Deltabacon and explain why you do not think they are strong enough?

I am unsure on what he is. I've said this already. I don't know whether or not he's town or scum. I'm just saying that in the case that this lynch goes awry it should be noted that Kaze put him in a position where the only way to drop the L-1 was a PR claim, while simultaneously pushing the lynch on him. Here and here.

Oh... my post is quoted. I have excuses for that, lol.

[YellowKingValley]

Gah, the above is olive in color.

Duh, I give up not doing this anymore so irritating.

[YellowKingValley]

Hmm... I see misreps... but I will keep quiet until it's time...

I'd like the opinions of lurker Citizen M and JasonWazza on their bickering...

@Kat, thanks but I'm lazy.

[YellowKingValley]

Where is Delta anyway... I don't like how he answered Wisdom's but ignored mine...

@Wisdom, I don't think I trust you after all... and why hammer before intent?

@Kat, I get what you said about Kaze. On the accusations on Delta, to you the degree of justification is not enough, or that they are outright tosh?

[YellowKingValley]

None of these replies tried to argue what I said is wrong, so I suppose you're accepting your fate.

(@katarina)

I thought her fate lies on whether Jason or Delta flip scum...

I find your lack of effort on questioning the primary targets while hounding the secondary target funny. Misplaced priority or smokescreen?

[YellowKingValley]

All I see is Wisdom and kaze pushing delta on the basis of nothing, and delta responding like a normal person (scum or town).

I see Kaze pushing Delta wagon while getting his hands dirty. While Wisdom claimed Delta is scum without voting nor pushing. Murder with borrowed knife or distancing?

[YellowKingValley]

Or "I have ONE game with Wisdom and I know everything about his meta" is not obvious trolling?

Really, people?

Plus the spelling mistakes and the exaggeration.

By the way, the

italics

in my post before are obviously for jokes. Seemed like a few thought that they are serious...

I'm not going to let Delta off so easily without him answering my questions.

PEDIT: So... PhDScar, Citizen M, Kagami are town. Kaze depending on Delta flip. Kat more likely town than Wisdom. Jason can be policy lynched.

[YellowKingValley]

@PhDScar, Kat,
for my post 52 asking Wisdom to early hammer, it is definitely manipulation if I'm asking some newbie to do it, but Wisdom is no newbie.

Hey don't abandon Delta wagon before he answers... I'll make my case after he answer...

[YellowKingValley]

If anyone missed PhD's first troll post it's understandable. Especially if you are playing first time together with PhD. But missing his second? You must have the habit of assuming that other people are dumb before proven otherwise. Shame on you.

[YellowKingValley]

Jason can be policy lynched.

This seems a bit early, he hasn't even been prodded.

He might be intentionally lurking. I'm a stalker who tracks your every post made in the forum.

[YellowKingValley]

@PhDScar, Kat,
for my post 52 asking Wisdom to early hammer, it is definitely manipulation if I'm asking some newbie to do it, but Wisdom is no newbie.

Hey don't abandon Delta wagon before he answers... I'll make my case after he answer...

I didn't say anything about you manipulating people. I said it seemed like you were going for an easy lynch, without brining your own reasons and buddying Kaze.

P-edit @YKV this is a question that has nothing to do with the game but do I troll post/ troll post often?

Sorry, but still applies to Kat's statement.

From my less-than-a-single game with you? Didn't notice any. I don't meta anyways. But is it within your ability to post stuff with veiled jokes/sarcasm? My answer is yes. Did Delta thought the same? I do not know. He fled after answering a question from Wisdom which allowed him freedom to make excuses but ignored mine which asked specific questions.

Easy lynch? The remaining non-voters are not newbies/noobs. Screaming Delta is scum, please hammer, lets end day early woo hoo will obviously not appeal to the remaining voters - Jason, Wisdom, Citizen, Kat. I find his "mistake" particularly missing your second "because posting" highly suspicious. Was already said by others anyway. Worth putting extreme pressure on him and possibly his buddy.

Won't give my detailed reasons for voting him before he answers.

Buddying Kaze eh... well scum buddies for a few reason:
1) Endear themselves to a townie to control their votes
2) Look towny to a PR to avoid being investigated
3) Gain trust of a town leader before killing him at night and usurp his place
4) Infiltrate a town bloc
Did my "buddying" try achieve any of the above objectives, or any others that you can think of? If not that is not buddying.

[YellowKingValley]

I think her confidence that Delta is not scum is unreasonable, and her belief that kaze is scum is inconsistent with that, since the best argument against Kaze is that he did almost exactly what Delta did.

What about not convinced enough that Delta is scum to vote him and instead find Kaze (also me) suspicious for asking hammers, thus suspicious of the whole wagon? And I hope that you are not deceived by a lot of misreps Wisdom added in.

[YellowKingValley]

Well this is just a generalization, but 2,3, and 4 could in away apply. He might be a PR, with the way he pushed the lynch and a lot of people seemed to agree with him he could arguably have been a town leader in that moment, and this could allow you easy access to a town block later.

But more importantly a 5th reason you left out was that it makes Kase less likely to vote you, and more likely to defend you.

I'll skip 2, 3, 4 for the timebeing. 5 is same as 1 yeah.

[YellowKingValley]

Thanks to YKV for stopping the olive font it was hard on my eyes with the MafSepia skin.

[YellowKingValley]

The problem is that he was very quick to jump on the first little "scummy" thing that he saw

What about Wisdom then? Jumping on Kat for not following the wagon. I don't see you finding him suspicious...

[YellowKingValley]

The problem is that he was very quick to jump on the first little "scummy" thing that he saw

What about Wisdom then? Jumping on Kat for not following the wagon. I don't see you finding him suspicious...

I mean Jason's wagon...

And oh... PhD, I'm buddying Kat. On a unrelated note, 6) If caught as scum, drag your scapegoat town buddy down together.

[YellowKingValley]

I only read the first 3 pages and this last page so far.

Then I advise you to read the rest before commenting. Your defense of Wisdom is way off mark. Me being village idiot is correct. So keep it that way .

If he really believed Delta was scum, why didn't he vote?

Wisdom consistently call Delta's play scummy. Yet did not vote. Yet did not ask for claim.
And further he tunneled on Kat for ignoring Delta's flash wagon (by then L-1) and for not finding Delta's play scummy enough.
Let's see if you can justify any town motivation from his actions...

People REACT to being called scum and having wagons on them, and because they react we can decide between ourselves whether it's a town or a scum reaction.

You are doing it wrong if you think calling other scum for false reasons is town motivated (referring to Wisdom's pressure on Kat). And what further wagon do you expect for Delta who is on L-1?

Also calling someone scum =/= intent to hammer. That has got to be the most stupid thing i have heard.

Not when you call others scum for similar behaviour in the meantime.

[YellowKingValley]

Post.

I hope to hear something substantial from you in the next 48 hours thanks. If you are busy do inform us.

[YellowKingValley]

You started your case against Kat just because she did not put JasonWazza at L-1 during RVS.

Spoiler: Exhibit 1

VOTE: JasonWazza Long time no see!

I smelt blood...

VOTE: JasonWazza

A wild wagon has appeared!

VOTE: JasonWazza

VOTE: Kagami

Someone with a cuter avatar than mine? Unacceptable.

VOTE: katarina
ignoring the wagon

And apparently you are serious...

Spoiler: Exhibit 2

Katarina why did you ignore the Jason wagon?

Why should I care at RVS?

Why not?

Burden of the response was on you.

No, it's actually on you. You merely dodged the question with "lolrvs".

I presumed you suspected Kat-Jason link (well, you need to start scumhunting from somewhere...), which is perfectly legit play. If your accusation is that Kat is scum for preventing L-1 wagon... I don't see how preventing early L-1 works in favor towards scum, and if that is the case, the proceeding voters are scummy too.

Then the Delta flash wagon. Kat acknowledge the wagon exist but didn't comment on it.

Spoiler: Exhibit 3

No, it's actually on you. You merely dodged the question with "lolrvs".

That was the appropriate response, didn't really want to get into that state where you're feigning scumhunting from something as unnecessary as this. L pls.


Also, did I miss from this Bacon wagon?

Did you miss it? Nope. Still rolling.

Damn. Page three. My dreams are thoroughly crushed.

To make scum like you react like you did

Please hammer! Since you called him scum and have yet to vote.

I don't like that katarina ninja vanished.

I went to bed *sniffle*

You don't like her ignoring the Jason wagon (are you serious?) and not commenting on Delta wagon (which can be scummy, so you are on the right track).

Spoiler: Exhibit 4

And now you're ignoring the delta wagon on top of that and it's not RVS. So?

pedit: I'm not lynching on p3.

That was the appropriate response, didn't really want to get into that state where you're feigning scumhunting from something as unnecessary as this. L pls.

Why feigning? There is a reason people wagon in RVS and that's to get reactions and get the game started. It looks like that's what you wanted to avoid.

As you said, the it's RVS. The votes have no meaning nor does any reaction you try to get. The reactions you get from there are standardized to make it look like someone is scumhunting and trying to make something out of votes that don't carry at all in that game (specifically that wagon and not this L-1).

Why should I try to intervene and get into something not worth investing on. Avoiding it doesn't mean I object to the wagon, I'd say so myself. I just simply don't care.

I wouldn't mind a claim first, I just kinda doubt it'll change the outcome. I very much doubt they're anything but scum.

This is pretty bad, js!

However, I find skipping JasonWazza bandwagon to avoid stupid early L-1 normal, in fact voting anyone including herself is normal.

But there was not even a comment on it. She just completely ignored it.

And yes I agree with your Delta ones.

And now you're ignoring the delta wagon on top of that and it's not RVS. So?

Btw, this.
She is now ignoring the Delta wagon too.

Apparently she is apprehensive of the wagon. Suspects that there are scum aboard on the wagon (not surprising since it's a flash wagon Kaze and YKV are bloodthirsty). Don't think claiming will help much. I think she suspects Wisdom is up to no good and tries to use her for his evil deeds.

Spoiler: Exhibit 5

I'm not a fan of this Bacon wagon. Wisdom is just prodding the the bull without actually doing anything productive. If you were confident he was scum then you'd hammer it without a wince. Fishing for a claim at this point won't make us achieve anything. If there were scum on this wagon I'd say it was

Kazekimaru

Why would I hammer on page fucking four? Will delta go anywhere if I let him flail for some more so I can be more sure?

And "fishing" for a claim? Really?

I'm tired. Will stop now. Look forward to my interesting analysis in Exhibit 6. Until next time...

[YellowKingValley]

because she did not put JasonWazza at L-1 during RVS

Do you know the meaning of the word "ignoring"?

Lets open this question to the floor. In the meantime Wisdom will give a speech about RVS and why it's important, and will explain in detail, taking into account different playstyles and covering all possible end results, on why ignoring L-1 during RVS is scum motivated.

[YellowKingValley]

Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

I think Jason is intentionally lurking.

[YellowKingValley]

As scum, the best thing to do is either comment on such a wagon in a townish way to leave a first good impression, many times even join it in order to look like you are helping gathering information (therefore you are being pro-town). Not every scum is skilled enough to know that though, so sometimes scum will just avoid the wagons altogether, as to avoid leaving telling reactions. The thing is that doing that is a telling reaction in itself.

Of course, there is always the chance that a townie will also ignore the wagon and just do what someone is supposed to do in RVS - random vote. Which is why you cannot be completely sure someone is scum just from that and you need to further explore such a player. But it's a place to start.

Please tell me how to react to a wagon as town so that I don't make a mistake and get lynched. Thanks.

[YellowKingValley]

Nah, I like you being lynchbait. You've won me two scumgames. <3

I'm carefully building my reputation as a lynch bait so that I will never be killed at night. And apparently they don't really policy lynch here. Fufufu.

Alright stop dodging. Anyway I'll get an answer from you later. When you are L-1.

[YellowKingValley]

Delta backed off immediately and parroted me once I stepped in. Cute.

And you saw that just now..?

Her post is weed-motivated.

[YellowKingValley]

I have done nothing

scummy

in this game

[YellowKingValley]

You posted elsewhere...

And wow, Jason is intentionally skipping the important discussions... and Wisdom calls him town...

[YellowKingValley]

I already answered your questions. Bolded says you are trying to avoid posting AND you're scum.

You posted elsewhere...

And wow, Jason is intentionally skipping the important discussions...

and Wisdom calls him town...

You just skiped my question, what's your point?

By the way, you asked this:

I think Jason is intentionally lurking.

And why do you think this exactly?

And even if i am, does that mean anything to my alignment?

And isn't being important subjective?

Scummy excuse.

[YellowKingValley]

Yeah except you clearly completely avoided the second question, and avoided being realistic about your answer.

"You posted elsewhere" doesn't = "Your intentionally lurking"

I see... so you popped in only to say "me no lurker".
Nothing else more subjectively useful?

[YellowKingValley]

Disappointing answer. Either he's too busy to read and refuses to admit it, or he is trying to derail Delta's lynch by getting some votes to himself before acting town and pushing them to someone else.

[YellowKingValley]

Who are you talking about?

Who do you think I'm talking about?

[YellowKingValley]

I have no clue, you don't make any sense.

I sense... double standards...

[YellowKingValley]

Prod Deltabacon!

[YellowKingValley]

Did JasonWazza lurk solely because he is afraid of / trying to mess up Kagami's metastat?

[YellowKingValley]

For using the supposedly effective and accurate metastat, Kagami will only paint herself into a corner in later days as scum. Why the hurry to lynch her early unless you are trying to silence her before you are found out?

For good players, if they can't find scum by D2 or D3, they are highly likely scum, and should be lynched only by then. Before the cutoff point, town will always try make sure good players survive. What JasonWazza proposed is not town motivated.

All that are assuming that Kagami is good of course. If she is mediocre and her metastat no better than random chances, then perhaps JasonWazza has a point. Even then, stats require time for data gathering.

[YellowKingValley]

You'll see more of me!

When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

@Kaze, perhaps I should say great players?

[YellowKingValley]

you know what also pisses me off: the idea that you have to

1. have a top suspect at all times

and 2. vote that suspect at all times


how stupid

I agree that is stupid. However, if you

1. Don't have suspects at all

2. Not bothered to find suspects

Then something is fishy about you.

[YellowKingValley]

Or your idea of what me as scum does is completely and utterly stupid, did you consider that?

Considering I pin you as scum in my first game with you...

Also, I can't really defend myself if I don't know why I'm attacked...

Ugh.

Kagami.

Why'd you say this?

I was feeling so good about townyou and then you said this. ._.

There are differences between

Jason: My gut feeling says Kagami is scummy...
and
Jason: So many slips. Kagami is scum...

Jason is saying the latter.

By being ambiguous, Jason achieved few different objectives. All are scum motivated.
1) Spares himself from making up accusations. Thus we could not check his consistency in thought process.
2) Allowing himself a way out when Kagami flips town. If he didn't commit, he can make up excuses later that make him less scummy.
3) Let others who join the wagon think up stretched accusations to try justify Jason's accusations. The sheep are good lynch bait once Kagami flips town.
4) Prevent Kagami from defending herself.

[YellowKingValley]

BAA BAA SHEEP

[YellowKingValley]

Delta is conveniently ignoring our questions. He says he will answer it 5 hours after he last post but he never did. When he did post he attacked others instead of answering first.

Besides, if he is scum, not claiming PR fits well with his thought process. Scum who lurks while being pressured. Scum who is too afraid to claim PR. I refuse to vote anyone else.

[YellowKingValley]

Delta called our accusations bullshit while trying to avoid clarifying why it's bullshit. Typical scum behaviour.

Kaze I'm disappointed with you...

[YellowKingValley]

He could have probably produced and bullshitted an argument that would have seen me lynched, but can't be bothered or can't find reasoning.

What can we do if you intentionally lurked to avoid answering our questions? And now it's our fault?

[YellowKingValley]

And I swear that I'm invisible to Deltabacon...

[YellowKingValley]

So now I've intentionally lurked (not true) and promised to answer questions (not true). Nice misreps, YKV.

So you REFUSED to answer.

[YellowKingValley]

I don't really get the Kat wagon.

Yeah. Kat wagon is a bad idea. Try Jason. He's lurking. And not putting effort. Else just extract blood from Delta.

[YellowKingValley]

Kagami, does your metastats work for town PR hunting?

[YellowKingValley]

Kagami, does your metastats work for town PR hunting?

This post hurt my brain on so many levels.

Good then. But I don't feel like explaining to relieve your pain.

[YellowKingValley]

Fuck this quit the misrepping.

You're just angry because I can easily see through your actions.

1) Your post count is terrible.
2) Content from you is abysmal.
3) You did not commit to anything.

[YellowKingValley]

Moan all you want, YKV. The questions would have produced nothing you can't deduce for yourself.

I might deduce wrongly, and misunderstood your posts.

You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round.

I call tosh. Unless you can give examples, you're discrediting me.

As it happens, I forgot about your questions, but hey I'm refusing to answer them on the grounds that you're putting words in my mouth.

Previously forgot. Now refusing to answer. I'll let others make their own conclusions.

[YellowKingValley]

1) woopdeefuckingdoo Post count means nothing
2) I've put out the content that need's to be put out
3) I PUT OUT A READS LIST YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT.

1) Not when your content suck too.
2) Why shouldn't the rest be put out? Such actions promote lurkfest and apathy.
3) A reads list which yourself do not believe in, as shown in your actions.

[YellowKingValley]

As it happens,

I forgot about your questions

, but hey I'm refusing to answer them on the grounds that you're putting words in my mouth.

Tempted to sheep Jason in voting for YKV, but I still don't see why Kaze is town to so many.

Saying that I promised to answer questions that

I wasn't aware of

and didn't make any mention of does though.

Yeah right. Does it mean you either read too much into what others say or never read at all...

[YellowKingValley]

You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round.

I call tosh. Unless you can give examples,

you're

discrediting

me

.

Ahahaha, purely because that was such a good giggle, here you go!

Spoiler:

JasonWazza is in cahoots with Deltabacon. Here's my story:

VOTE: JasonWazza Long time no see!

Translation: Hi scumbuddy!

VOTE: Citizen M

Avoiding all them wagonable chances.

Also i'm glad i'm popular amongst you all <3

Translation: Ugh oh. My wagon is going too fast. Help!

VOTE: Wisdom After playing one game with him as scum I no his meta backwards and forewords. This is scum Wisdom.

Translation: Hi, I am a tasty scumbait! I look stupid and don't know how to spell properly.

What a nice, general statement you have there. Care to elaborate further? It's just that 1) I hate meta as a scumhunting tactic and 2) I fail to see how one game entitles you to make such an outlandish claim.

I may need some convincing. Until then;

UNVOTE: JasonWazza,
VOTE: PhDscar

Translation: An excuse to change vote at last!

@Deltabacon as scum he posts. What is doing now? Posting.

Translation: I give nonsense answers.

That's weak.

Translation: Your nonsense answer is weak...

Because he's tried rather hard to pose it as a serious vote with piss-poor reasoning.

Are you complaining that I'm taking things seriously?

Translation: Time to misrep and put him in bad light.

If he didn't, then why did he reply in a serious fashion?

If you want me to revert back to RVS, let me know.

Translation: You didn't appreciate my effort. Attempt to be town leader failed. I'll act sad and hurt.

...

(hides)

For #67 that's how I intepreted your behaviour, thus my vote.

All of the above, as well as:

Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

I think Jason is intentionally lurking.

How is my #259 misrep when you are not posting and avoided answering questions when posting?

You'll see more of me!

When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

@Kaze, perhaps I should say great players?

How is my #329 misrep when you didn't reply at all and ignored my questions for the second time?

Spoiler: This misrep, I like a lot:

Delta is conveniently ignoring our questions. He

says he will answer it 5 hours after he last post

but he never did. When he did post he attacked others instead of answering first.

Besides, if he is scum, not claiming PR fits well with his thought process. Scum who lurks while being pressured. Scum who is too afraid to claim PR. I refuse to vote anyone else.

Incoming in maybe 5 hours. Watch this space.

At no point did I mention his questions, so this was an outright lie to try and push his target.

So for #313 and #405, did you EVEN post after 5 hours? No, you didn't. Did you answer my questions? No, you didn't. What part is misrep again?

Delta called our accusations bullshit

while trying to avoid clarifying why it's bullshit. Typical scum behaviour.

Kaze I'm disappointed with you...

Actually is this, my fault for not quoting

given that you can't be arsed to back up your vote with anything resembling a reason?

He could have probably produced and bullshitted an argument that would have seen me lynched, but can't be bothered or can't find reasoning.

What can we do if you

intentionally lurked

to avoid answering our questions? And now it's our fault?

If not then what. You seem to appear only when it's convenient, when pressure on you is the weakest.

[YellowKingValley]

Kat is the cutest.

Smoking weed is not cute...

[YellowKingValley]

.................

I think her Android is buggy.

[YellowKingValley]

Alright I've decided

Unvote

vote YKV

Jason is mad town tunneling a suspect.

Since when Jason tunnelled?

One that after I read back had the scummiest tone.

Which?

Kaze was on same boat as YKV except my gut read made me lean towards him, giving YKV some space to breathe.
Wisdom likely to be VI.

Ad hominem.

Kagami seems townish.
Delta wagon was bad to begin with, people played his inactivity too much

more of he refuses to answer questions

and theorized without him being able to defend early points.

since he refuses to answer even after repeated asking

PhD likely partner for YKV.
Kat is the cutest.

My post will be bad because I'm on Android but here goes.

Understatement.

Delta wagon started c.o of PhD and Kaze.

Yes.

YKV chimed in and sheeped Kaze at both points.

Yes.

Pushed for Delta hammer on Wisdom.

Since he called Delta scummy without doing anything.

Naturally Wisdom won't hammer, so YKV can focus on him

When did I focus on Wisdom because of Delta? It's because of his accusations of you.

because Wisdom pushed too hard without voting

Again, it's about you not Delta.

. If he did hammer, Kaze was better target over him.

YKV is just echoing whoever while staying behind them.

...

Was on Delta wagon then now against it with me.

...

Either way the lynch goes he had the most to benefit.

You are a good player to see that, when you are not hallucinating that is.

Even bringing up WIFOM at one point in the game to excuse himself of sheeping. " scum only sheep because of x reasons "

That was from Kagami...

I believe he should be lynched today. Sorry for bad engrish

I have problems with what you perceived.

[YellowKingValley]

Just why they think she is town.

If I say it it will be anti-town

[YellowKingValley]

Seriously, I don't know what has made YKV so obsessed with those RVS questions.

Wat RVS questions? You said yourself RVS ended by then. At least for you.

[YellowKingValley]

You give out PR/scum vibes...

[YellowKingValley]

Kat is L-1.

Danger danger. NO MORE VOTING.

[YellowKingValley]

There have been at least two people who "don't get the Kat wagon" or "don't agree" with it. Kat has been very scummy so I don't understand how someone does not get or agree with the wagon. I wanted those who claimed those things explain why Kat is town - I was betting nobody would be able to.

I gave my reasons... elaborated by Kagami...

[YellowKingValley]

Wisdom is VI for using scummy method to scumhunt.

[YellowKingValley]

Who's your primary scum team and secondary scum team?

[YellowKingValley]

Possible scumteams:

Delta-Jason
Kat-Citizen
PhD-Wisdom
Kagami-Kaze

[YellowKingValley]

What's your opinion when you compare these two cases:

Case 1:
Suspect: Deltabacon
Accuser - YKV
Whiteknight - Kat
Observation - ???

Case 2:
Suspect: Kat
Accuser - Wisdom
Whiteknight - YKV
Observation - ???

[YellowKingValley]

Nothing you need more info than that, like what other players are doing or how, the "white knight" is defending or the "accuser" is attacking.
Maybe, that you and Kat are not likely scum partners, but it definitely doesn’t help me find scum.
What’s the point of this?

How does Delta react to accusations? He refuses to cooperate. Then attacked the accuser (me) with flimsy reasons (for saying that he is lurking for refusing to answer questions).

At least Kat cooperated... and didn't use logical fallacies (like Delta) to attack accusers...

Just get Delta. Vote him up as sacrifice for our daily blood ritual.

[YellowKingValley]

He's conftown to me. Said so in my role pm. ;D

My role pm says that I'm town so you should believe me. I saw Delta's role pm and it said that he is scum. So why are you not voting him?

[YellowKingValley]

Hmm... you said this:

You know what, just for the giggles, compile a list of misgivings about me/my play/my face/et cetera and I'll respond to them.

after I said this:

How does Delta react to accusations? He refuses to cooperate. Then attacked the accuser (me) with flimsy reasons (for saying that he is lurking for refusing to answer questions).

Minus town points!

[YellowKingValley]

One scum will act slightly scummy just enough to attract Tracker/Jailor visits but avoid lynching while the other scum will act like paragon of townness and Wisdom.

[YellowKingValley]

What information do we get from lynching Kat? We can get more from lynching Delta.

[YellowKingValley]

We don't lynch for information.

So you know Kat is scum or you think Kat is scum? If you know, obviously not. But if you think, then half of it is for information. Which?

[YellowKingValley]

Delta is more likely scum.

What do you think of #519 and #522?

[YellowKingValley]

Damn. Wisdom-Delta...

Need to adjust my reads...

[YellowKingValley]

What do you think of YKV openly lying in order to push his read, more to the point?

Die lurker!

[YellowKingValley]

LoL you can't even suggest a partner for Kat die scum I don't trust you anymore.

[YellowKingValley]

Yeah, I know, I'm a VI because I pegged you

Pegging is retarded.

[YellowKingValley]

I caught her early

I see no solid reasons. Only made up ones.

[YellowKingValley]

I see no solid reasons. Only made up ones.

Heck, Delta's wagon was better.

[YellowKingValley]

It can't always be obvious to everyone.

That's what scums always say. You refused to give details too.

[YellowKingValley]

Go away miss. It has nothing to do with you.

I have a bone to pick with Wisdom over this:

I dislike how you're choosing to avoid this lovely wagon over here for your fringe scum read.

[YellowKingValley]

What are the details you gave about who is scum?

Your scumbuddy refused to answer my questions. Lots of excuses given.

[YellowKingValley]

Wow, what a scumtell.

And you ignored it.

[YellowKingValley]

unreasonably WKing my scumread

s

You never told us the other one.

[YellowKingValley]

Prod Citizen M
Prod Jason

[YellowKingValley]

You gonna be the one to make it so? ;D

Nah. She will ask me to kill you and then kill me.

[YellowKingValley]

Seems like you just listed all my posts suggesting that you are scum. Some of my post that you highlighted can't even be classified as jumping to conclusions, or in your words misrep. For example:

Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

You'll see more of me!

When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

Please explain how are they misreps.

[YellowKingValley]

She has been the queen of misreps.

She is the Queen of "High"-borns.

[YellowKingValley]

When you post "Jason is lurking on purpose", it is a misrep. You do not know what Jason's IRL schedule is, how much time he has for this game and whether he cares about this game at all. You jump to conclusions.

Assuming that he is busy, he didn't clarify why he lurked. As town, it's not nice to pop in with some post on fridge topics just enough to avoid prodding and replacements without informing others that they are busy. It keeps others waiting, and messes up with their reads. Similarly, that's why I don't trust Delta and want him dead.

I'll say bluntly that if anyone's answer to "whether he cares about this game at all" is "not", then that person should just replace out. Don't be a deadweight who joins games for the sake of joining.

[YellowKingValley]

Unfortunately, town never play like the ideal image of town you have in your mind. That's why all those stuff are null and jumping to conclusion based on those is ultra bad.

Then no harm removing them early. Not that they will be any useful late game.

[YellowKingValley]

We have to lynch scum, not scummy townies.

Correction. Not scummy townies. But deadweights.

Scummy townies who are interested in playing the game should be kept around.

[YellowKingValley]

Don't hop over the point. We have to lynch scum, not anything that is not scum.

How do you know that deadweights who didn't even bother posting are not scum?

[YellowKingValley]

In delta's case, the claim, and I can actually understand his thought processes now.

Claim is null. Scum will only claim PR when they are sure they are going to die.

His thought processes. Null for disliking my exaggerated accusations. Scum for adding in legitimate accusations.

Behaviour to pressure is scum.

[YellowKingValley]

And he wasn't?

No.

Initial accusation is not strong.
Too early for lynch.
Lacked support from remaining voters.

[YellowKingValley]

. Scum for adding in legitimate accusations.

What?

Seems like you just listed all my posts suggesting that you are scum. Some of my post that you highlighted can't even be classified as jumping to conclusions, or in your words misrep. For example:

Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

You'll see more of me!

When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

Please explain how are they misreps.

[YellowKingValley]

You are struggling for reasons to assign scum motivation to an obvtown player

Should always be done if you are playing with better players. Just in case they are scum.

[YellowKingValley]

Not if it stops you from looking for the actual scum.

You won't know who are the actual scums unless you are one.

[YellowKingValley]

When you're being told by several people that you are wrong, it's a sign to look for scum in the other players.

The majority is not always right. What they say shouldn't discourage you from scumhunting and doing your own thing.

The majority only controls votes to decide whom should be lynched. They have no business controlling your thoughts/scumhunting.

[YellowKingValley]

That's no excuse to stop scumhunting everyone else.

Should just say this earlier.

[YellowKingValley]

If everyone just minds their business, scum will just sit back and let town eat each other.

Hmm... perhaps different game meta.

I've learned to let everyone do their own things and lynch the useless, the ones sitting back.

[YellowKingValley]

I still fail to see why Kat is scum.

Clear as water

Unless you think that Kat is lesser scum, it won't be clear as water. I think Kat is at least better as scum.

[YellowKingValley]

Why don't we all have a compromise and lynch Jason instead.

[YellowKingValley]

You called?

[YellowKingValley]

waifu

This is wrong in so many levels.

[YellowKingValley]

I'm expecting Citizen to spit blood anytime now.

[YellowKingValley]

VOTE: Jason

[YellowKingValley]

Can we just stop playing and turn this into an Anime discussion thread?

It's more fun.

[YellowKingValley]

Oh, I'm not fond of this new found fascination with Jason, btw.

He's actively playing Frogstar in Mish-Mash forum and I suppose LoL too. But ignoring all his mafia games. He should just be replaced.

[YellowKingValley]

Voting him won't get him replaced

Since that lurker is just prod dodging I don't want him in the game anymore. Lynch please.

[YellowKingValley]

Oh Shingeki no Kyojin. I read manga instead. Flow is confusing. Art style so so. But story is promising.

[YellowKingValley]

Spoiler:

Prepare to be disappointed.

[YellowKingValley]

Now that I've played another game with scum Kaze...

VOTE: Kazekirimaru

[YellowKingValley]

He is giving me the same iffy feel. "Glaringly opportunistic" or "clear thirst for blood". I thought these obvious scum motivated behaviour were his normal behaviour. I'd like to reconsider.

[YellowKingValley]

YKV is voting me because I won as scum against him in Micro 277 and he's in paranoid mode.

I thought that you are normally scummily overzealous. But with two games with you as bloodthirsty scum who wanted quicklynch, yes I'm paranoid even if I don't bother with meta.

[YellowKingValley]

Maybe it's just his playstyle regardless of alignment...?

I may rule out some scum motivated behaviour as playstyle, meaning null. But if it is consistent that he is doing that as scum only then I'm dumb for ignoring such meta though I say style-type meta is stupid.

[YellowKingValley]

So you're going to vote me then reconsider rather than the other way around?

Seems legit.

Come on only L-1. It means that I find setting up the guillotine a good idea. It's not like I released the rope lol.

[YellowKingValley]

"You have the same behaviour in another game which you are scum and our previous game which you are also scum" is not "glaringly opportunistic". I have "excuse" to vote him.

Delta or Kaze. Either or. Lemme think about it more. In the meantime, my vote is there.

[YellowKingValley]

Then lynch me and find out how incorrect you are, YKV.

You can't read me.

I know. It's just that previously I gave you leeway for some scummy behaviour and now I plan to reconsider...

[YellowKingValley]

Not being sore loser tho...

Call it... twice bitten thrice shy...

[YellowKingValley]

It can't be meta based

What do you mean by it can't be meta based?

it can't contain things you are also guilty of doing.

Tu quoque.

[YellowKingValley]

My hypocrisy does not invalidate my reasons for voting him.

Eg.
1) YKV looks opportunistic as town or scum.
2) Kaze looks opportunistic only as scum.
3) YKV and Kaze look opportunistic this game.
4) YKV voting Kaze is justified.

Obviously, still checking if Kaze is only opportunistic as scum.

[YellowKingValley]

You can only counter my vote on Kaze by showing:

- Kaze looks opportunistic as town too.

Only then we will debate further on whether:

- Kaze only look opportunistic (meaning he has other intentions), or
- Kaze is being opportunistic

[YellowKingValley]

I swear to your chosen deity half of you have no clue what "opportunistic" means.

Straw man.

[YellowKingValley]

No, frustration.

Appeal to pity.

[YellowKingValley]

I think Sword Art is more art less sword.

[YellowKingValley]

Make it fucking happen.

Or like... you know... prove me wrong. Or am I right?

[YellowKingValley]

Sword Art Online was disgustingly bad. Almost as bad as Kaze.

All for show. No content.

[YellowKingValley]

I'm leaning back to a kat lynch.

Your reasons being?

[YellowKingValley]

Pushing the kaze lynch as "super informative" strikes me as a very strange thing for town to say. We learn nothing if he flips town. If he flips scum, we practically win anyway, so where does this super informativeness come in?

So it's because of this and only because of this?

[YellowKingValley]

I'll be off for the rest of today and likely christmas as well (i'm australian we are ahead of you's)

but the day after christmas i will likely be able to read up and do a decent sized post.

!@#$

[YellowKingValley]

If he flips town then this would probably secure that Delta, Citizen, and Jason are possibly clean.

If he flips town then this would probably secure that the three lurkers are possibly clean.

I did nothing scummy because I did absolutely nothing.

[YellowKingValley]

Can we just lynch Jason instead. And replace Citizen.

[YellowKingValley]

Useless, lurker and liar.

[YellowKingValley]

Please don't post once you replace out for any reason. This content was deleted by cabd.

[YellowKingValley]

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