(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

[Frightened inmate number3]

! confirm

[Frightened inmate number3]

vote t

<<< I do not recognize who you are voting for. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

vote titus the most mafia ever

[Frightened inmate number3]

You try figuring out what alignment Town-Shunned Miller Godfather is.

i like this guy already

[Frightened inmate number3]

we are she

[Frightened inmate number3]

is a fascist a mafia or is a fascist a stupid talk

[Frightened inmate number3]

we are biding our time
then we strike

[Frightened inmate number3]

is a fascist a mafia or is a fascist a stupid talk

please answer

[Frightened inmate number3]

to tell the truth i am just as fascinated that you are that there is no wagon on us

maybe it means that we are town because a quiet mafia friend would be voted by other mafia

[Frightened inmate number3]

explain fascism please

[Frightened inmate number3]

Not as a priority over scum

why did you say this too
it is also fascinating

[Frightened inmate number3]

fascismating

[Frightened inmate number3]

we are she

she are we

[Frightened inmate number3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

we both know that Is not what we meant

[Frightened inmate number3]

if you're implying you are a role that hunts for fascists, like a fascist cop, then I don't buy it, because in that case you would say you know there are fascists because of your role. Not because you are a "town fascist".

i am gascismating about this
is this a legitimate concern in the game or are you all trolling and we are still looking for mafia like normal

[Frightened inmate number3]

Not as a priority over scum

why did you say this too
it is also fascinating

please do not ignore this
i find it fascismating that you would say this about voting us for why are you not treating us as if we could be mafia

[Frightened inmate number3]

stupid? stupid? we wonder why it says stupid
we are finding that most of the posts you have made especially the last ones even not including our exchange tend to just put people down or point out minor flaws and frankly that kind of approach to the game concerns us
that kind of approach to the game is not definitely scummy yet but as we have said it is concerning


we are always watching

[Frightened inmate number3]

and we will be watching you more closely, concerning it

[Frightened inmate number3]

she says we say you must understand that we are stupid,
if you want us to be or
for the right price

[Frightened inmate number3]

Exactly. I'm on the hunt, along with the other townies, for scum in this game. However, I'll be hunting 1 group in particular.

Scum is scum.

This also feels forced.

Could be both. If you are town, there shouldn't be any reason for you to focus on any scum in particular.

I'm looking for your thoughts on recent happenings Ankamius.

Flum, you seriously don't see the scum motive to claim miller? Seriously? If town believes scum claiming miller, cop investigations against him/her/it/e/them are useless.

This. Plus anyone remotely familiar with this game, or has done some research should know that millers would be a role town is given.

lastly we say this is obviously the mafia
please see how obvious this is

vote pro hawk

[Frightened inmate number3]

and why would titus lie?
we see no reason for mafia to lie
we see limited reason for town to lie
maybe titus is just mistaken by what the mastin answer was and misinterpreted it

[Frightened inmate number3]

things still stupid and long
we are watching
behind the scenes

[Frightened inmate number3]

fascist, communist
we have brought this up in private but the dumb is too much

this is a game that had similar factions that mastin (and titus who seems to be claiming this is unheard of) was in
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58247
human, undead, demon
these were "race" modifiers often on town used for specific role interactions

at first only scum was assumed to be undead in that game but they had town undead players
and there was an undead cop

here we have people assuming fascist and communist correspond to different scum groups
and here we have a fascist cop

i do not see how claiming f or c is akin to claiming scum/3rdparty
this game happened and ended just before mastin started designing this game as far as we can tell
so considering that we think it is likely that that mechanic is implemented in a similar way here

[Frightened inmate number3]

I assume that each faction (communist or fascist) has town and scum within it.

Ok I don't think we have the same definition for what a faction is. For me it's a team with a separate win condition, like "town" or "scum". For you it appears to be something else.

When have you ever seen such a sub grouping like that in a game?

vote: titus

and we find it hard to believe that titus with that experience can assert such a mechanic is not possible

[Frightened inmate number3]

nobody thought that sure maybe
but there apparently was an assumption that one scum group was all undead, and another was all demon, and that most of the undeads and demons were scum when the case happened to be that more town than scum belonged to these classifications

the people here who are claiming fascist or communist are not claiming scum as some want to believe
there is much stupid in the idea that town and fascist/communist cannot exist in the same role, an idea that some people (klingon especially) are asserting blindly

[Frightened inmate number3]

No. I'm a TOWN FASCIST ROLE.

wtf does that mean

Town is a faction. Fascists, according to you, is a faction and you are in it. You are in two factions?

No.

Town: the thing I am apart of and need to help win (hunting le scum)
Fascist: a particular faction that I am linked to

I can very well assume that the Communist Cop when scanning gets the results of COMMUNIST and NOT COMMUNIST, not getting town/mafia alignment from scanning. With it being hilariously unbalanced, I can almost garun-damn-tee there's a true cop in the midst that see's "fascist/communist-town/mafia" (communist town, fascist town, communist mafia, fascist mafia). Get it now? Cause I'll gladly break it down even further if I have to.

There's alignment and there's role. Faction indicates alignment. You are not Town. My vote's not moving.

we believe you should shut up and listen
but mostly shut up

[Frightened inmate number3]

we was being rude and we apologize for we
but we still made a valid point even if rudely worded

[Frightened inmate number3]

in other words frightened guy is alt/secret hydra of someone in that game

which we would not have revealed outside of the neighborhood if not for the pervasive smell of ignorant stupid emanating from this thread

[Frightened inmate number3]

we cannot tell if klingon is ignoring the point on purpose to tunnel as town
or ignoring the point on purpose to tunnel as scum

[Frightened inmate number3]

I don't think it's like that game. People are not claiming communist/fascist here. Pine didn't claim communist, he claimed miller who shows up communist. It was only eddie, and from the looks of things he prolly misunderstood as well and is not actually fascist.

but if we have multiple people claiming to be both town and seen as fascist then is it not essentially the same thing only with a (hilariously) unbalanced twist
we believe it is only logical that the mechanics of that and similar games influenced the moderator of this game

[Frightened inmate number3]

by the (hilariously) unbalanced twist we mean instead of role-naming all roles human (normal) undead or scum
mastin decided to be "LOL " and make lots of people millers instead

[Frightened inmate number3]

I

was

voting for Eddie, but I want FIN3 out of this game.

I think FIN3 is a jester. A very, very annoying one.

you think we are a jester
yet you do not think the idea that 6 players would actually saunter up to this thread and all willingly and literally claim scum is ridiculous even in the slightest

what the fuck is wrong with you



we are very uncomfortable with how quickly the wagon on you has grown though
especially since you are making ridiculous remarks which is just as likely to come from town
and the majority of players here should know proposing dumb ideas is not a scumtell

[Frightened inmate number3]

I've seen people refer to Eddie as a miller, but did he ever refer to himself as one? Looking back, I guess I can see what he meant by Town Fascist Role. Would be more believable now and more understandable then if you had said that "role" was a placeholder in the first place. Still doesn't really match up to when he said that he was in the fascist faction, though.

Reading what I did from the Inuyasha game, I don't think that it is like this one. I didn't get anything in my role PM about being communist or fascist. Everyone in the Inuyasha game had undead, demon, or human in theirs. I don't really suspect Titus over not comparing this game with that one.

I really dislike Klingon's play. I haven't played with her before and I've seen town play this way, but the tunneling and what I see as poor logic just don't sit right with me. Eddie is a better read in my mind based on actual facts but Klingon is stronger, despite the lack of actual scum-tell type evidence.

Oh, and I still am hating FIN3. Probably the lack of punctuation, poor grammar, what I see as arrogance, and odd use of points of view. Possibly player quirks, but nobody can tell she/they are anonymous. Oh, and I dislike the bringing up of the InuYasha game as evidence against Titus. Although it had stacking factions, they aren't like they were in the InuYasha game where everybody was told that they were in one of those. Unless FIN3 thought they we all did, because they are communist/fascist scum.

VOTE: Frightened inmated number3

we have already explained this
in the inuyasha game human demon and undead were all role modifiers classified as races in the flavor that served the purpose of allowing unique power role interactions
example would be undead cop who learns if a player is undead or not

in this game we know that the words fascist and communist exist as part of some role pms
klingon will not stop saying that they are obviously alignments and obviously everyone claiming fascist or communist must not be aligned with town

but that is stupid

as we know mastin played in the inuyasha game
and even if she did not
with this many people claiming fascist or communist the only logical assumption is that they are role modifiers

and in addition to how common they seem to be
with no precedent of usage of these role modifiers prior to this game
and the only explanation given for the term being a "faction"
we can assume that they are meant to function in a similar and most basic way
as extra modifiers that interact with certain specialized power roles differently and keep this game true to its (hilariously) unbalanced namesake

as for the miller remark
there were people claiming it and we believe we at one point may have mistakenly attributed the claim to eddie instead of pine as seen above

finally regarding your reasons for voting us
please get off your high horse
you can say we are arrogant
but as we have noted earlier your posts in this game seem to consist mainly of you pointing out minor flaws and putting people down
and when you finally do call someone out for being scummy that is all you do
this is scummy
that is scummy
as scum before we have found that for some individuals that is often easier to do than commit to any townreads and what we see happening here is unsettling now
perhaps we missed it but we would very much appreciate it if you could for once share anything at all you find to be towny

[Frightened inmate number3]

seeing as you seem to know klingon personally ika do you think she is town
normally this logic combined with join date would make us think so but we are finding it difficult to believe that this kind of logic coupled with the rage posts is anything but an act meant to do
...
something

[Frightened inmate number3]

if we are correct eddie claimed first though
so if you are trying to say eddie could be fascist scum or part of a majority-fascist scumteam i do not see why he would claim first
especially because if that is the case he would have to have been gambling on the assumption that there exist town fascist roles as well to back him up

[Frightened inmate number3]

vote: toon fighter

titus must wait

[Frightened inmate number3]

we see questions and we will answer them later goodbye

[Frightened inmate number3]

prod dodge and answers later
klingon and titus are uncomparable because at least titus shows she actually has a thinking process

[Frightened inmate number3]

poked

<<< This, as a prod-dodge, does not count as a post, thus, your post indicator has not been reset. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

mastin we posted

<<< Yes, but it held no content; it was literally saying "prod dodge". I have a

very

loose definition of content; the post below this one of yours I count as being content. But you actually need to *make* said type of post. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

this is a content filled post about us being town and waiting

[Frightened inmate number3]

since it seems they're avoiding contribution

fuck yeah we are

[Frightened inmate number3]

who knows?

[Frightened inmate number3]

actually not bullshit
we have role related reasons why shos is near confirmed town

so back the fuck up

onto toon

[Frightened inmate number3]

yes
we bulba and muffin all do

surprise we took you seriously

[Frightened inmate number3]

but bulba could still be mafia
we think he may be using our joint shos knowledge to get towncred

[Frightened inmate number3]

yes why is there

[Frightened inmate number3]

wrong
we're supposed to be the jester!

[Frightened inmate number3]

nobody is voting us or has been voting us significantly in our absence therefore no scum is taking advantage of their partner's inactivity to bus us therefore we are town

[Frightened inmate number3]

oh you got us there

[Frightened inmate number3]

thank you we try

back to the shadows

[Frightened inmate number3]

toonfighter drippinggumball pirates bulba may very well be scum
kill them

[Frightened inmate number3]

after certain neighborhood revelations we are no longer convinced shos is anywhere close to confirmed town

we do still believe shos is not the right lynch today and that toon or pirate is

[Frightened inmate number3]

after certain neighborhood revelations we are no longer convinced shos is anywhere close to confirmed town

we do still believe shos is not the right lynch today and that toon or pirate is

I'm not sure any of us except maybe Bulba have been treating it as a masonry?

when we first revealed it to get people off of shos we said "shos is almost confirmed town" to imply it could be a certain thing and not the thing it actually is

[Frightened inmate number3]

that way shos could avoid the lynch with minimal information release
but as you know recent events there were more revealing in a bad way

[Frightened inmate number3]

your responses both squick me

[Frightened inmate number3]

me too

[Frightened inmate number3]

is wisdom a mafia?

[Frightened inmate number3]

what we are getting from the recent string of shos votes is that some people are voting him because "well he should not be cleared by neighborhood things"
which is essentially just "well he could be scum"

shos may be the lynch in the future
but he is absolutely not to be lynched day 1

as for toon fighter

Sheesh, the game grew a bit since the last time I checked :/

I see some people have taken an interest in me and have some pertinent questions. I will answer them tonight, as now I don't really have the time.

For now, have a small townread on Wisdom, eyestott and Titus, which look dumbtown

Not enough reasons to keep voting Eddie for now, so I will

unvote

Slight scum reading on klingon, because of his scumslips about the sizes of possible mafias, and on FIN3, but she could just be a Jester. Very hard to read now.

Still, bigger post tonight, with answers and theories. Don't miss it.

*Titus looks dumbtown, the other two not so much

For now, have a small townread on Wisdom, eyestott and Titus, which look dumbtown

why do you have a townread on me now? werent you saying im scum with someone before?

Not enough reasons to keep voting Eddie for now, so I will unvote

this stinks too

what do you mean "not enough reasons"

Slight scum reading on klingon, because of his scumslips about the sizes of possible mafias

this stinks too

"slight" scum read because of "scumslips"

if you think they were scumslips how it's only slight

VOTE: Toon fighter

Sounds like he just sleeps the biggest wagon.

this is why we voted him
post 885 is the scummiest post in the game especially taking into context how the eddie wagon dissolved

[Frightened inmate number3]

VC 48

:

Toon Fighter - 8 (Frightened inmate number3, guille2015, ArcAngel9, Bulbazak, Ankamius, farside22, Titus, Muffin)

shos - 8 (theelkspeaks, Klingoncelt, ProHawk, Jackel98, Wisdom, Toon Fighter, Pine)

Jackel98 - 4 (EddieFenix, alivechihiro, DrippingGoofBall, shos)
alivechihiro - 1 (PeregrineV)
Fluminator - 1 (Alchemist21)
Frightened inmate number3 - 1 (eyestott)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (Fluminator)

Not Voting: 3 (Awesome, Nobody Special, Pirate Ika)

With 27 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

Day One's deadline is Thursday, January 29th, @ 4:15 PM PST.
Toon Fighter for the lynch.

Two days until the lynch!

I'll see if I can switch to fancy-VCs for the benefit of analysis.
(Note, though, that fancy-VCs take more time, so the closer to deadline, less likely it is I'll be able to get them up fast enough.)

the progession of wisdom's read also fascismates us
the iso does not satisfy well enough

[Frightened inmate number3]

wisdom's read from scum to mislynch bait on toon fighter we mean

[Frightened inmate number3]

@Bulba: I tried to keep low and just survive the D1 because of my role. I am still a bit rusty, and the bandwagon on me just kept piling up while I was trying to get to night to use my power to help town and block a low profile scum player. I may not have played this day the best way, but my intentions were always to lynch scum and try to find the right target for my JK. You say shos is not the best lynch for today, but I am also the wrong choice! You just have rose-tinted glasses looking at shos because he is your neighbor and he said something very *mysterious* in there THAT WE DIDN'T see and apparently made him 101% town!

@people who were asking to see games where I was mislynched: Check my post history. You just described 70% of my mafia games

[Frightened inmate number3]

but the @bulba section really does make us think twice
it... resonates, so to speak

the claim looks decent as well

that being said we still do not believe in a shos lynch at all

again:
we are absolutely not okay with a shos lynch

and we are stuck here on toon fighter due to deadline evils

[Frightened inmate number3]

so yeah drippinggumball needs to get vigged.

[Frightened inmate number3]

for the record we are amused yet not completely opposed to the notion of us being a jester

more sanity for us, at least

[Frightened inmate number3]

drippinggbumball pilates {bulab/wisdom} and maybe prohawk from light vc analysis
are our guesses for scum

at the moment we are questioning whether toon is scum
it might just be the claim but we felt some town things in a few of his latest posts

but even so deadline is imminent and we do not want shos lynched
so unless there is a decent flashwagon that shos voters will jump off of him to join
we support a toon lynch

[Frightened inmate number3]

so you're scum? like ignore the hammer that's cool that's cool

[Frightened inmate number3]

@ peregrind

[Frightened inmate number3]

:/

Not really alignment indicative any which way and stronger as scum than town.

Making an executive decision.

Unvote, Vote: Toon Fighter

L-1

actually this may be the scummiest of the votes

[Frightened inmate number3]

mmm baby that's it yeah you love that hammer. love it real hood

[Frightened inmate number3]

vote: dgb

do this now

[Frightened inmate number3]

in hindsight jackel's stance on us makes us feel like he was trying to make it interpretable as a bus

[Frightened inmate number3]

you can bring him to l-2
the neighborhood has a thing to sort out then we'll give the go-ahead

[Frightened inmate number3]

nah bulba is town
fin3 town
we sorted that out

[Frightened inmate number3]

hello klingon

ArcAngel9, Town Hippie Cop, shot N1.
Pine, Town Communist Miller, beaten to a bloody pulp N1.

communist is likely a scumteam, yes
but it is also a modifier that specifies what kind of miller pine was

hippie is also likely a scumteam
but it is also a modifier that specifies what kind of cop arcangel was

[Frightened inmate number3]

Eddie could plausibly be a fascist cop of an opposing faction, but I think that's unlikely at this moment based on the way he claimed and went about it.

this is what we (she) believe

[Frightened inmate number3]

4 mafia factions so far. I would place money that the 5th kill was a vig hit and not another faction.

we agree
this game isn't that (hilariously) unbalanced
pretty sure of those arcangel was the vig shot
or jackel but less likely

[Frightened inmate number3]

mastin thanks
shos wagon is reaching potential quicklynch levels and we absolutely need time to sort out something in the hood before lynch

as for bulba something happened last night to make him actual town to us

we should not have defended shos so blindly and questioned him more
sorry for that
but for now we need to leave him at l-2 or lower until we give our ok
putting him at l-1 or lynching him is unacceptable at this point

ika what do you mean

[Frightened inmate number3]

shos is not being lynched yet
titus is not being lynched yet
awesome may be scum
tomorrow

[Frightened inmate number3]

we fail to see how the much too delayed sudden miller claim from awesome
only

after

a guilty result was revealed
is in any way acceptable

we know this makes us look potentially foolish in the case that one or both of titus and shos is a scum cop
but we would like to keep them both alive today
we are perfectly fine with lynching shos on day 3

awesome was scummy to us day 1 and the reaction to the guilty was highly questionable

vote: awesome

dgb is still scum
but for now we are there

[Frightened inmate number3]

Really, and what does he gain from it?

it is actually a good stance to take as scum
give in to one assumption but deny the other

if it were not for both of you crumbing different parts of the result wording to each other we would lynch shos now
but role is confirmed now, even if not town confirmed
and that is good enough for today given awesome's reaction

[Frightened inmate number3]

We cannot know if Awesome was blocked Zar...really? You seem to put the focus on shos being the heal which seems equally unknowable.

If Awesome flips scum, I am turbolynching you.

we highly doubt awesome and blizzard are aligned on the same scumteam

yes, he is taking the stance you do not like
but that is irrelevant
because zar's treatment of this situation does not look at all like he is defending a scumpartner

[Frightened inmate number3]

not that we remember

[Frightened inmate number3]

I have read the rules and I do not understand my role pm

Can i have a summary Of the postssp far im the dame? anything qorth mentioPing? i dont feel like readong

we were very mad at him yesterday because he acted as if his crumb in his fifth game post was so unnoticeable and so secret when it was anything but

we were thinking on day 1 that this was a fakeclaim or scum-PR claim planned early on, and the reason the crumb is so blatant would be to make sure it could not be interpreted as anything else in case shos needed to avoid being lynched

and he has the nerve to say to us in our hood "keep this a secret! if you tell anyone i am a cop and i die then it will be your fault!"
a "secret"
the nerve of him

[Frightened inmate number3]

awesome
is
practically
confirmed
scum
can
we
lynch
them
now

[Frightened inmate number3]

"exactly what i said i would"
you keep using this specific phrase
it's a bit quirky
maybe you are a scum sk miller and this is so when you flip scum you can say "lol but i did realclaim, sk miller with a nightkill"

[Frightened inmate number3]

awesome is still scum
that claim is horrible

[Frightened inmate number3]

vote prohawk

compromise is sad but necessary

[Frightened inmate number3]

titus
the multiple and varying positions you have taken on shos as well as some of your insane-sounding posts lend you very little credibility in my eyes

[Frightened inmate number3]

end today it sucks

[Frightened inmate number3]

nah titus you just don't feel credible at all compared to pv

[Frightened inmate number3]

we really think you are mistaken about just how common your "variant" is
the definition used in newbie games is and has for years been the standard

[Frightened inmate number3]

just fucking hammer we are done with your ego wars

[Frightened inmate number3]

Shos claims guilty of questionable sanity on Awesome.
Awesome claims SK miller vig.

and yet it lives

[Frightened inmate number3]

stupid night

vote wisdom

placeholder vote awaiting pv

[Frightened inmate number3]

yeah and fin3 is scum with shos like i thought

sweetie, you are literally so out of line it’s fucking unbelievable. i could drag you so hard right now but i know you’ll just end up crying. i’ve roasted you before and you know it. chances are you’ll just say i bullied you because you’re gay and have different skin. talk shit get hit, you don’t wanna mess with me kiddo; i’ve got a black belt.

i know threats are fucked up but that’s all i’ve been receiving all day, probably from her royal hoodrat olive and all of her nasty friends. but you can gang up on me and make fun of me for being goth all you want. i’ve been hurt a lot. my first boyfriend cheated on me, my dad screams if i forget to do my chores, and there are some days i don’t even want to get out of bed in the mornings.

i’m a jaded teenage girl. i’ve been through shit that you wouldn’t even dream of. you think your life is hard? try asking the cutest guy in your grade out in the middle of the cafeteria only to find out he has a fucking girlfriend. you don’t know my life or my story so keep my name out of your nasty mouth. life is a battlefield and it looks like i’ve already won.

[Frightened inmate number3]

"interactions" can be faked. And I don't even trust your judgement, for all I know you might be scum with them too.

you're right
we three make up one of the four (?) scumteams and we're all in the only neighborhood in the game along with a fourth who is who the fucks cares this is completely plausible

i want to lynch you or shos
the elegance of our neighborhood design is too great though so it lands on you

[Frightened inmate number3]

what happened to your certainty we are scum?

you stabbed someone so it's like 50/50 now

[Frightened inmate number3]

we are now i
i lost a part of myself in the night

i think from recent events ika is town

clarifying the awesome read either it's specific sk miller vig kill flavor or the obvious opposite that you're sk claiming vig
i also think you could have just claimed non miller or become a leashed sk if you were one

[Frightened inmate number3]

dude you have been defending shos for the whole fucking game. shos is now confscum and you're still doing it. I have no reason to think you aren't his buddy, neighborhood fuckeries or not.

and i have more than just "no reason" to think posts like this made at this time are scum
more scum than shos at least until all results are outed

[Frightened inmate number3]

VOTE: titus

[Frightened inmate number3]

VOTE: titus

Looks like I was wrong Wisdom. They are partners.

listen here cum-slut, i bet you 5 million dollars that you don’t own a bird. but guess what? i own 7. and i can tell you right now that a bird would never just walk into something like a chocolate fountain. they’ll rarely walk directly into water.

but say that your idiotic theory is correct.

say it did actually walk into it.

that animal still probably died.

is that still funny to you? do you still get your kicks out of knowing that that bird was probably terrified and opening its mouth to scream in that last panel?

and if you say yes then you seriously disgust me as a human being.

<<< This behavior is beginning to unnerve me. If it continues, FIN3 will be getting a notice from me. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

[Frightened inmate number3]

fine, i'll suck it up.

vote shos

[Frightened inmate number3]

unvote

what is happening

[Frightened inmate number3]

got to stick with my crew.

wisdom

[Frightened inmate number3]

vote wisdom

i actually think the most likely scenario here is that titus and klingon are scum
because there have been a few wisdom town posts
and while i don't trust shos i believe if there's any scum in the neighborhood it's more likely muffin than him

[Frightened inmate number3]

i would not hesitate to lynch titus or klingon or alive
but no support exists

[Frightened inmate number3]

We're the fucking town sane cop.

yet you never once objected to titus

[Frightened inmate number3]

Scum's so frightened of your hood that it's day three and the four of you are still alive.

it's not like we're absolutely unlynchable
those outside of the neighborhood have expressed significant amounts of suspicion on us
if they were able to read it they would see at least bulba and i are town, and possibly muffin
my muffin over shos for scum read comes from the thread itself

[Frightened inmate number3]

We're the fucking town sane cop.

yet you never once objected to titus

Why would we?

why wouldn't you

[Frightened inmate number3]

blizzard is claiming these cop results:
n1, nobody special, town
n2, shos, scum

SCUM

...

Nobody Special: SnowStorm doesn't have a read on NS yet, but I (Zar) have played a couple of games with NS Scum (Buckshot, Molla's Grand Idea), and I think he's fitting his scum-game here. I've also modded games with NS!Town (The Rocky Horror Mafia Show and Castle Zar). The way NS is coasting the day phase is pretty consistent with what I've seen him do as scum in the games I've been with him. The fact that he's neglecting contribution here and hasn't been making game related comments pings my scumdar on him. I he hasn't done much here, but that's precisely what's enough for me to be wary of the slot in this game.

this is your ns read day 1

a strong scumread (you had 3 scumreads, and at least 6 nullreads)

these are the first seven posts you made on day 2:

Spoiler: blizzard's first 7 posts after night 1, voting and pushing shos

well, this discussion requires tons of coffee I haven't had!

I have not been able to discuss anything with SS yet. I've caught up though and if it's up to me, I still think we should be lynching shos today.

1) We have Awesome claiming a shot on him and not dying.
2) Based on their D2 entry, we are led to believe Awesome did target shos last night.
3) shos makes close to zero sense as a doc target.
4) shos claims to have inside information on the "sanity" of Titus.
5) shos's flip would clarify three things: 1) The Sanity of Titus's investigation 2) shos's alignment and 3) the sanity of shos's investigation
6) Awesome's flip on the other hand would not clarify Titus' sanity or shos's alignment based on Awesome's claim + it would questionably provide the sanity of shos' claim.

VOTE: shos

~.Zar

@Blizzard, Cop's Sanities are not usually revealed upon death in Deathy games.

Awesome also makes sense as a roleblock target.

Regardless, we still have Awesome claiming a shot on shos and not wanting the vig outing. It seems consistent with what I'd expect of Tammy as a vig. Also why would a hypoSK claim to have targeted shos and not dying first? I think Awesome would've kept that to themselves if scum, unless they had some reflexive role informing them they were targeted by shos which required them to react pretty quickly to the information, which in this exchange just looks like not the case here?

That said, I don't doubt shos's cop claim + result is because of Awesome's reaction to it.

~.Zar

I'm on page 99 and my brain is melting.

When you catch up to this post you'll be nothing but a puddle of your past self.

Why the hell would an SK show up as town when investigated?

A  investigates if someone is a member of a specific faction (e.g. a Seer investigates if someone is or is not a Werewolf, and an FBI Agent investigates if someone is or is not a Serial Killer, but both would treat Town and Mafia the same). In games with multiple flavors of scum (e.g. Mafia and Werewolves) it is implied that Cop is a Faction Cop for Mafia only.

From the wiki

Yeah, whatever. Have you been in or read any game where an SK investigated as town?

No, Blizzard she claims to be the vig whose "our nightkill" did not go through.

Tammy also claimed vig after shos voted her and claimed a guilty.

Your facts are wrong.

I was making reference to Awesome's D2 crumbs. Awesome's first two posts in the day indicate something went wrong on the relation to what they did wrt shos. They came full out as Vig after shos claimed the guilty on them, but their entry posts are a vote on shos and wanting to know what shos is (it's consistent with expecting something that did not happen).

I am trying to sort several things going through my head right now:

1) Shos could still make sense as SK + Cop because he doesn't need to lie about his result in such a case.
2) Shos claim doesn't make sense as a complete bogus because he would have been taking way too a ballsy gambit on faking a guilty on Awesome had they CC'd his result, which would've turned into a 1 vs. 1; and pressure was relatively off him after the Toon Lynch, I'd guess?
3) I don't think shos makes sense as a heal target.
4) Partnered Scum with a BP seems like an overkill, but not necessarily impossible? So shos could be claiming a buddy's result.
5) Shos could be a Scum Cop with a fake accuracy claim and/or asked mastin for an insane fakeclaim to go along with Titus.
6) Why would town shos ask mastin what he returs to cops on D1?
7) If shos planted that crumb he pointed at in 163 why would he go on to say then he had planned someone else in the hood to claim COP for him?

Also, shos crumbing cop early and then claiming I take with a grain of salt based on past experience with him. (I can point to the game I made reference before, shos has fakecrumbed a role before, so It wouldn't be above him to do this here too.

~.Zar

Blizzard, the "as far as you know" comes from the flavor of the result pm.

He could not fake it without getting said role pm.

Whenever I use that it will be a paraphrase btw.

You posted it before he did...

no mention of nobody special

at all

which is funny because if you had a strong scumread on a player day 1 and copped them as town the next
i (and anyone else) would imagine you would do

something

to correct that, in the event you died without fully claiming results
neither of you are new to mafia or the site either

in fact, the sole focus of your play starting day 2 was shos and pushing shos as scum

so either you really did cop shos n1 and nobody special n2 as your post below would have had us initially believe

Snow here.

Yes, we have a gun. No, we can't kill people.

Shos is scum. Titus is sane. NS is town. We are a sane cop.

...which you

corrected

, saying ns was n1 and shos was n2

Spoiler: pv-blizzard exchange

Snow here.

Yes, we have a gun. No, we can't kill people.

Shos is scum. Titus is sane. NS is town. We are a sane cop.

Hi cop #5 who has no sanity questions despite the 2 others having them.

Because of the change in my question, I did due diligence prior to outting my result.

I checked your ISO for read changes, hints, clues, etc. that shos was a lying scumbag, Titus was a lying scumbag, you were a vig of some sort, etc.

I didn't really find anything.

As a matter of fact, I found spots where you defended shos' result. On day2. Which means you didn't cop him night1. Which means, according to your claim, you copped him n2. While resisting the urge to counterclaim either Titus or shos or Eddie.

So, you will understand why I don't believe you, nor will any town player.

We investigated NS night 1. We investigated Shos night 2 to confirm our suspicion and Titus' sanity.

Why the fuck would we counterclaim cops of questionable sanity with results unrelated to ours?

so you corrected yourself there, saying ns-town was n1 and shos-scum was n2
in order to brush off pv's (mostly incorrect) accusation that you defended shos on day 2
but why would you do that as town? maybe you're still town and you wanted to make your claim more believable?...


...or you're just scum fakeclaiming (scum cop, scum other role)

vote blizzard

i think your claim is total bs.

[Frightened inmate number3]

SCUM

Jackel98: I (Zar) find most of Jackel's posts ringing hollow. I think it was farside who mentioned Jackal's reasoning to vote FIN3 was weak and I have a problem with the FIN3 vote+push because it doesn't sound like they sincerely suspect him, but more like they want to lynch him because they don't like their play. The comments in 769 and 1376 particularly I find are more common to come from players that have a hard time with scum roles because their inside info affects the way they see the game; so I'm seeing a similarity in players who as scum go for players that they think should be rightfully removed from game as opposed to actually scumhunting.

Alchemist21: Setting the weird fun claim aside, my suspicion on the Alchemist slot is based in part on the way they reacted to Muffin's #148; there's something about how he picked on the claim in a way that feels fake. Alchemist also did something similar to TF in #636 which I didn't like (Re: contribution of trying to tie his scumreads without a logical explanation). While we don't have a read on Titus, SS doesn't like the logic used by Alch to push the Titus read in posts 1521, 1524 and 1531; it's mostly the persistance of pushing Titus because of something that doesn't seem connected to her alignment.

Nobody Special: SnowStorm doesn't have a read on NS yet, but I (Zar) have played a couple of games with NS Scum (Buckshot, Molla's Grand Idea), and I think he's fitting his scum-game here. I've also modded games with NS!Town (The Rocky Horror Mafia Show and Castle Zar). The way NS is coasting the day phase is pretty consistent with what I've seen him do as scum in the games I've been with him. The fact that he's neglecting contribution here and hasn't been making game related comments pings my scumdar on him. I he hasn't done much here, but that's precisely what's enough for me to be wary of the slot in this game.

Snow here.

Yes, we have a gun. No, we can't kill people.

Shos is scum. Titus is sane. NS is town. We are a sane cop.

the first quote comes from the middle of day 1

the second quote comes from just now

you iso shows you never once mentioned " ns " or "nobody special" (both in reference to the player) once between those quotes

you copped ns night 1 and got town, you said?

the gap between those quotes is huge
over 3000 posts
3 entire phases
including night 1 and day 2

i'm still calling bs on this

[Frightened inmate number3]

pv's result
shos' result
claiming in the exact way to discredit both

i would much rather see blizzard lynched than wisdom, who i am tentatively reading as town

[Frightened inmate number3]

don't care blizzard is scum
but due to stupid plurality
and before ns votes

vote wisdom

[Frightened inmate number3]

wisdom and shos wagons to me are like
a rock
and an even harder spikier rock

[Frightened inmate number3]

Due to plurality and before ns votes you're voting who you claimed you think is town.

How the fuck does this make sense? You are blatantly trying to save shos and you're not even hiding it anymore.

of fucking course i'm not trying to hide it i've said multiple times myself that i think you're both town

my townread on shos stems from the claim with partial confirmation and the mechanics of our neighborhood, as well as how i think he has a hell of a lot more credibility than titus

my townread on you stems from how i think you are being honest, your interactions with muffin, and most importantly your stupid stupid tendency to think everyone who doesn't agree with you or see things exactly from your viewpoint is scum. and while it's not as strong of a read as my shos townread it's still definitely up there

i would lynch titus, klingon, or blizzard in a heartbeat given the chance. i've said this multiple times before as well
but today the only wagons anyone cares about is my town neighbor and a usually capable town player
and i fucking hate it

[Frightened inmate number3]

i want today to be over

[Frightened inmate number3]

i want today to be over

and i want everyone talking shit about the neighborhood to shut up and trust that even if we were wrong and shos/muffin are scum we've got a town mindset going on in there

shos and muffin may be scum. but the thing i hate (about you wisdom) is how when i jump to shos' defense, when bulba jumps to shos' defense, when we have extremely valid reasons to do so because of certain events and posts in the hood, all you do is point your finger and say "you're scum. oh you're scum too"

i'm trying the best i can to make sense of how fucked up this is. i gave up the pretentious minimalist posting style because i was pissed at myself, because it was so hard to parse my own thoughts when using it. so when i'm going back and forth trying to figure shit out and a townread of mine is just screaming i'm scum because of that and getting other people to chant the same shit with you, i'm going to throw copypasta in your face and make light of it because i just don't have the time or will to try and fight it off legitimately, and i'm going to freak out inside and unwillingly remind myself that i only know i tiny bit of what the fuck is going on

i just want

i want today to be over.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Due to plurality and before ns votes you're voting who you claimed you think is town.

How the fuck does this make sense? You are blatantly trying to save shos and you're not even hiding it anymore.

of fucking course i'm not trying to hide it i've said multiple times myself that i think you're both town

my townread on shos stems from the claim with partial confirmation and the mechanics of our neighborhood, as well as how i think he has a hell of a lot more credibility than titus

my townread on you stems from how i think you are being honest, your interactions with muffin, and most importantly your stupid stupid tendency to think everyone who doesn't agree with you or see things exactly from your viewpoint is scum. and while it's not as strong of a read as my shos townread it's still definitely up there

i would lynch titus, klingon, or blizzard in a heartbeat given the chance. i've said this multiple times before as well
but today the only wagons anyone cares about is my town neighbor and a usually capable town player
and i fucking hate it

Your setup is impossible.

I have an innocent on one and a guilty on the other. Literally impossible for both of them to be the same alignment unless they are both scum and one is a GF.

If you want today to be over, vote Shos and stay there. WE are.

or you're just scum
and you've not been roleblocked or targeted for a kill once

[Frightened inmate number3]

when we have extremely valid reasons to do so because of certain events and posts in the hood, all you do is point your finger and say "you're scum. oh you're scum too"

then fucking explain those "valid reasons". Come and see from my POV. I have a confscum in front of me and an entire neighborhood trying to save him without explaining why. What the fuck am I supposed to think if not that you are all scum?

the explanation would involve a massclaim and i'm not going to claim for them.

[Frightened inmate number3]

we have invested so much of our collective time into securing a very-likely-town read on shos.

we don't want to let it go without a fight

and at the same time i don't think we want to massclaim.

[Frightened inmate number3]

because i'm not sure of the alignment of my other neighbors, mostly muffin

just like how despite titus' result claims i'm unsure of her alignment as well

[Frightened inmate number3]

fuck

can we just
end the day

i want today to end right now
but i don't want to lynch shos or wisdom fuck fuck fuck

[Frightened inmate number3]

answer: you're scum

[Frightened inmate number3]

is it really so unbelievable that titus is the kind of scum player to think she can get away with it

[Frightened inmate number3]

i want today to end right now

then vote shos.

you'll understand when you're older

[Frightened inmate number3]

i want today to end right now

then vote shos.

you'll understand when you're older

I'm older than you sweetcheeks and I still know voting shos is the right play.

um, no

[Frightened inmate number3]

so if shos flips scum

what happens then

[Frightened inmate number3]

...this is page 200 and post 4975 and day 3 should not go any further.

i'm sorry shos.

vote shos

[Frightened inmate number3]

shut up

[Frightened inmate number3]

see now i'm engaging with you even though i think you're scum!

anything else you want to ask me? in public this time since there's no reason to keep that private?

[Frightened inmate number3]

i would lynch titus, klingon, or blizzard in a heartbeat given the chance. i've said this multiple times before as well
but today the only wagons anyone cares about is my town neighbor and a usually capable town player
and i fucking hate it

i want today to be over

i want today to be over

i just want

i want today to be over.

fuck

can we just
end the day

i want today to end right now
but i don't want to lynch shos or wisdom fuck fuck fuck

[Frightened inmate number3]

Not sure how/why a town player hammers someone that they're reading as "very likely town".

That's fucked up, I hope Awesome includes you in a pool of potential stab targets.

and yet you screamed at me in the hood whenever i suggested we're not all town just because you and bulba were screaming we are

awesome had better not fucking stab me i'll stab you back

[Frightened inmate number3]

Oh, hammer happened. Finally.

Looks like fin3 is not aligned with shos after all, but still most likely scum.

shut up

[Frightened inmate number3]

My Titus impression from Touhou has been that her derps as scum are on purpose. I suppose that if she can derp as town, she can actually derp as scum, but still it doesn't look like she's scum here.

...

[Frightened inmate number3]

Yes I read all those. Not sure what your point is? I don't see town motivation in hammering a "very-likely-town" read, no matter how much you want the day to end. Just replace out if you're upset?

i wanted the day to end because everything had just become the same cyclical shit without any hope at all to move off of wisdom and shos as main wagons, and i was townreading both very strongly
sure i'm upset but don't act like my decision to hammer and end the day isn't for the better

[Frightened inmate number3]

VOTE: blizzard

[Frightened inmate number3]

i'm sorry i doubted you titus.

good thing awesome stabbed wisdom over zar, though. i was still thinking it could be you that lied.

[Frightened inmate number3]

19 Town
2 Communists (Zar, ???)
2 Dictators (Jackel98, Prohawk)
2 Fascists (Toon Fighter, Wisdom)
2 Hippies (Fluminator, Klingoncelt)

i think this is the setup, taking into account the discussed factions, prohawk's behavior end of day 2, and decreasing number of nightkills

so 19 town to 8 scum, with 4 scumkills per night

reasonable?

[Frightened inmate number3]

and i now know that my neighborhood is, in fact, all town. shos' townflip makes it very likely, and i think just seeing the confirmation of his and bulba's alignment is good enough for me to trust muffin.

i said it before in there: i'm sorry for hammering shos to anyone still upset over it, but i saw no chance of the day ending with a different lynch.

[Frightened inmate number3]

lynches

Toon Fighter,

Fascist

Godfather

, Lynched Day One.
ProHawk,

Dictator

Jailkeeper

, Lynched Day Two.
shos,

Town

Cop

, Lynched Day Three.

shot

ArcAngel9,

Town

Hippie Cop

, shot night one.
DrippingGoofBall,

Town

White Mage

, shot night two.
Klingoncelt,

Hippie

Fruit Vendor

, shot night three.

beaten

Pine,

Town

Communist Miller

, beaten to a bloody pulp night one.

silenced

farside22,

Town

Bodyguard

, silenced night one.
EddieFenix,

Town

Fascist Cop

, silenced night two.
Bulbazak,

Town

Doctor

, silenced night three.

killed

Jackel98,

Dictator

Rolecop

, killed night one.
Fluminator,

Hippie

Doctor

, stabbed and killed night two. (also stabbed)
alivechihiro,

Town

Watcher

, killed night three.

shredded

Alchemist21,

Vanilla Townie

, shredded into fertilizer night one.

stabbed

Fluminator,

Hippie

Doctor

, stabbed and killed night two. (also killed)
Wisdom,

Fascist

Ninja

, stabbed night three.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i don't know but i'm leaning vig

and even if not they're a leashed sk

[Frightened inmate number3]

a leashed sk that's only killed scum

changing kill flavor makes no sense

[Frightened inmate number3]

how is your role name worded

universal or just miller?

[Frightened inmate number3]

bulba also protected shos n1

[Frightened inmate number3]

bulba's push on wisdom makes that even more likely

guille is a strong candidate for blizzard partner

i think massclaim tomorrow, since we have a guaranteed scumlynch

[Frightened inmate number3]

and i would rather lynch him than sit around for days like we did yesterday

[Frightened inmate number3]

she's dead

[Frightened inmate number3]

bear or ns would be a good shot, awesome

[Frightened inmate number3]

please hold on titus

i never claimed miller and am wondering what you are thinking of

please do not lose the thread now

[Frightened inmate number3]

Snow here.

Yes, we have a gun. No, we can't kill people.

Shos is scum. Titus is sane. NS is town. We are a sane cop.

We are a sane cop.

You know your sanity?

Yeah. It's exactly why we've been so protective of it, especially after Titus' and Shos' claims.

Blizzard only claimed sane cop after much pressuring from Shos and PV, both of whom had guilties. I don't trust that claim at all. Also, Shos showed a willingness to 1v1 Blizzard, so I'm saying that the Bliz claim is looking pretty shaky.

Your face looks pretty shaky. We're the fucking town sane cop. We have an unquestionable guilty result on Shos, which confirms the previous guilty on him. And yet you want to lynch Wisdom, who is also confirmed town. Now explain to me, why the fuck would we knowingly lynch town before scum?!

We're the fucking town sane cop.

yet you never once objected to titus

Why would we?

why wouldn't you

We're the sane cop, meaning we are the cop that knows his results will be accurate. It doesn't mean all other cops must be insane or scum. Besides, we already said that we didn't get involved in the cop fight to not draw any attention towards us. It would have been dumb and careless to out ourselves day 2, when we could just let it play out and confirm them with our night 2 investigation.

just in case you guys are serious about being dumb and not lynching blizzard today

[Frightened inmate number3]

well awesome is suggesting to lynch the bear
and some people are taking what they say seriously as if their suggestions are coming from town
just making sure

[Frightened inmate number3]

VOTE: FIN3

Basically spends the first half of the game-to-date trying to lurk through and be forgotten, then spends the second half of it being "too aggressive to be scum" once she starts getting called out on lurking.

Also, that rampant (greentext?) hostility in a couple of posts, ultimately resulting in mastin's warning, kinda feels like a way of just trying to piss people off. And generally, someone trying that hard to piss people off is doing so so that they can later deflect any votes on them with a "you're just voting me because you think I'm a bastard."

You're voting the wrong person then... :S That sounds like ika's play here, bringing up irrelevant shit.

FIn3's rage I do feel was real. It takes a certain youth and naivete to post those first world problems at people randomly. Rage at what, I don't know but FIN3 was definitely pissed.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jaded-teenage-girl
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/chocolate-bird

[Frightened inmate number3]

oh i'm angry alright
but right now it's because of all the dancing around and shit when

titus from your point of view
you know you're an insane cop
we know shos was a sane cop
aa9 flipped hippie cop
eddie flipped fascist cop
where does blizzard's sane cop claim fit in? especially one with sanity known from the start?
it doesn't

and while i have a townread on pirate ika that one post from them saying that blizzard's "guilty" on bear lines up with their previous scumread
just
do you even have the right to say you'll stick with previous reads when shos flipped town cop for all of you and pv has a guilty on blizzard and shos had a guilty on blizzard

i'm angry because elk has the audacity to vote me now. i don't care if you think i'm scum. but if you seriously think lynching me is the right course of action you're sorely mistaken, and if you really care that much you can track me and shut up afterward


and i'm angry because people need to at least address what needs to be true for blizzard to even have a chance of being town:

1. a scum framer on night 2 (after aa9 hippie cop died, after titus had already investigated shos and got a guilty, and after people were chomping at the bit to lynch shos already anyway)
2. the game being set up with a hippie cop, a fascist cop, an insane cop, a paranoid cop, and a sane cop (which would then imply a naive cop existing somewhere despite there being no indication of it from anyone)

[Frightened inmate number3]

the number of kills each night has been decreasing. it is consistent with 4 2-man scumteams.

why do you think klingon the mafia fruit vendor didn't send anyone fruit?
she had no reason not to, because doing so consistently would be what scum would do to try and confirm their role to as many people as possible
unless
she was the only member of her team left
so if her team wanted to kill, she had to perform the kill
with that much attention on her there was no reason why she would kill unless she was the only one left
and though when no fruit was given and we assumed she was roleblocked (even though there was no reason for any alignment to roleblock that claim)
doesn't it make more sense that on night two she targeted pirate ika or dgb/bulba's protected targets?

prohawk's scumclaiming and final behavior including giving all reads suggests he was the last of the dictators

someone mentioned that wisdom made a comment about small teams and regardless of that his extreme survivalism suggests he was the last of the fascists

titus i do not think we should be hunting off of your vca yet as in depth as it is. i think we should lynch blizzard because he is communist scum
if the nightkills n4 prove i am wrong about the 2 man scumteams, then we will go for it. but right now i am sure blizzard is scum and we can go from there

[Frightened inmate number3]

The first premise is not totally unreasonable. Mastina had used a framer before (and gave it to me while calling it a laywer hahaha). This many cops running around a framer is not out of the question.

that is not my point.
that is a minor part of it. but the main point is

why would a scum framer target shos on night 2

when on night 1 you already guiltied him?
when on day 2 a bunch of people were screaming to lynch him?
when no other cops had claimed or had crumbed, much less hinted at targeting shos?

a scum framer targeting shos night 2 makes absolutely no sense at all
there were infinitely better ways to use that if it existed

[Frightened inmate number3]

Toon Fighter, Fascist Godfather, Lynched Day One.
Wisdom, Fascist Ninja, stabbed night three.

"it screams you're fascist scum" titus. please. god.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Not so sure. A second check on shos confirms my sanity. If a group really wanted shos lynched, framing shos to set me up as sane is pretty good play. Then if I was actually insane, I could be mislynched much more effectively.

...
can you not see just how far you are reaching here?
come on titus. you are so much better than this.

[Frightened inmate number3]

titus
i think
and realize that one way or another blizzard needs to be dead.
blizzard and someone. someone and blizzard. not bear and pirates
ika is a major townread for many. they die when the other leads fall through

and three is not "small"
three is normal.
often the average for multiball scumteams
the average for most mafia games

so please
take a step back
and put your hands down
because we can all see you reaching
and i sure hope i am not the only one getting tired of it.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i am suddenly reminded of 750.
i hope i am not being too harsh. because i am townreading you, even if less than earlier due to your pushes now.
but i am getting tired when i can see a confirmed scum lynch in front of me
and people are stepping around it making excuses and voting others
one voting me - it is disgusting.

i was done with this day when it started.
discussion is always welcome
but i am impatient
and it has overstayed that welcome.

unless provoked by something very outrageous or outrageously stupid i will step back myself and be quiet now
until then.

[Frightened inmate number3]

You're a cop, investigate them.

You're a cop, investigate them.

^that, if your a fcukign cop titus just fucking cop us dont even bring more wifomy bs into the game

You're a cop, investigate them if you're concerned about them. I doubt they'd be bulletproof AND investigation proof, usually it's one or the other.I doubt they'd be bulletproof AND investigation proof, usually it's one or the other.

[Frightened inmate number3]

am almost hyperventilating trying not to lash out at 5277

[Frightened inmate number3]

They're not getting lynched today though.

I'm not vigging them because I think they're town.

You're a cop, investigate them if you're concerned about them. I doubt they'd be bulletproof AND investigation proof, usually it's one or the other.

You're a cop, investigate them.

http://on.fb.me/1CQH4UC

[Frightened inmate number3]

am almost hyperventilating trying not to lash out at 5277

Fin3, I work from elimibating what is impossible. Then go to likely. If a possible scenario leaves us boned, I want toeliminate it or verify it.

okay.

if pirate ika is bulletproof and investigationproof
they are an sk
because there is no scenario in which a specific scumteam out of the four would be gifted such a powerful role

due to kill flavor matching up very closely in this game with alignment images and standards
(example: hippies and fertilizer)
either awesome is the sk
or there is no sk
those are the two possible scenarios in which a sk exists

since those contradict
they are not the sk
therefore they are not both bulletproof and investigationproof

in conclusion

just cop them
you have been so unreasonably opposed to the idea i do not know what to make of it
just fucking cop them

[Frightened inmate number3]

no, it is not pointless.
sk miller can exist without a sk.
what i believe is that the purpose of awesome's role was to be a highly lynchable vig
with sk looks and kill flavor, as if instead of placing a sk in this game mastin replaced it with a vig
to keep the kill swing in place without the sk guaranteed antitown motive: either accidentally kill town or have good reads and hit scum, whittling down the playerlist either way
the only thing that has made me not want to lynch them has been their later towniness and tendency to kill scum for us

[Frightened inmate number3]

awesome i suggest you vig ns or bear, though of course blizzard in case everything really does go to shit with today's lynch.

titus i suggest you cop ika.

[Frightened inmate number3]

thank you for noting it. good night to you.

[Frightened inmate number3]

and that was all i wanted
an indication that you are listening.

[Frightened inmate number3]

blizzard lynch is the most likely scum lynch and the most beneficial lynch in any case
i still fail to see how massclaiming is beneficial in any way other than allowing scum to work around our remaining prs

[Frightened inmate number3]

"have to"
are you for it or not

[Frightened inmate number3]

nobody special has not actually read anything since day 1
now confirmed

[Frightened inmate number3]

if you all just voted blizzard now we would be spared the torture of having to hear this argument again and again and again and

[Frightened inmate number3]

"(hilariously) unbalanced" still falls under "this game has been approved because each side has a similar chance to win"

[Frightened inmate number3]

1. theelkspeaks - tracker - parallels chihiro's town watcher and generally town target choices
3. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika) - bp - town play
5. Awesome (Espeonage+Tammy) - sk miller vig with sk flavor - town motivated kills and even if sk is leashed
7. Muffin - miller - our neighborhood is a masonry
8. Frightened inmate number3 - i am town and our neighborhood is a masonry
10. PeregrineV - something - lie detector and/or gunsmith with very town targets and methods of revealing results
12. Titus - insane cop - her-shos-wisdom fiasco had to have at least 2 town imo and had little reason to out d1 and play her results the way she did if scum

2. guille2015
4. Nobody Special - vt
6. Impossibear (EspeciallyTheLies+Jingle)
9. BlizZard (Snowstorm+Zar) - sane cop
11. Ankamius - miller

mastin or voidedmafia: can a scum individual kill and use another action on the same night

<<< Fairly certain I've answered this at least once or twice by now, but yes. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

"(hilariously) unbalanced" still falls under "this game has been approved because each side has a similar chance to win"

My point exactly...

14:3:3:3:3:1
is not balanced

27/2 = 13.5
merely lynching town on day 1 makes town the uninformed minority going into night
that setup is not approvable
no.

should the nightkills point to it i can accept something like 19:2:2:4 or 17:2:2:3:3 as plausible, the latter stretching my imagination

but there is a point that i have been trying to make to you:
you are making everything infinitely more complicated than it needs to be

we have a guaranteed scum lynch in blizzard. and even if you disagree with that and somehow i am wrong in your pov it leads to a guaranteed vig on scum bear.

today will not go any way other than a blizzard lynch. we all know this. it is needed.
so that means you, titus, how you keep talking about the size of scumteams -
we could keep arguing this back and forth for the next 10 pages.
neither of us will budge because this is how you are and this is how i am.

or instead of arguing pointlessly
we could get this fucking scum lynch done with
and let the number of nightkills prove this point that is of minor importance anyway
right now i don't care about your vca and trying to hunt for fascists or those factions.
and if i am correct ika doesn't, mollie doesn't, tammy doesn't either.

because until the nightkills talk that is all pointless and the way i see it you are contributing to unnecessary arguing that is prolonging the day and distracting from our scumlynch.

i will only take what you are saying seriously if tonight's numbers and types of kills indicate that i should.
and i believe this is the general consensus.

[Frightened inmate number3]

tammy who are you vigging?

i want to ensure you are not vigging me. i think ns or bear are your optimal targets, bear on the low chance blizzard flips town.

[Frightened inmate number3]

bulbazak, shos, muffin and fin3.
i even checked the order. mastin was careful to list us in playerlist order

duplicate roles make sense if it's 2 cops (titus and shos) and 2 millers (ankamius and muffin), one of each in the hood

as for the second vt claim i am less sure.

[Frightened inmate number3]

fin

did you really just say this:

uninformed minority going into night

in the titus scenario with 14:3:3:3:3:1 (14/27), a single mislynch d1 puts us at 13:3:3:3:3:1 (13/26) for n1.
the game of mafia revolves around the idea of an uninformed majority.
any game that can change that in one phase and then even have a chance to snowball from there is unacceptable to me and i'm sure to any setup reviewer or listmod.

uninformed minority.

[Frightened inmate number3]

@Fin3, stop preaching to those on Blizzard the importance of voting Blizzard...

i understand you are voting him

but i am asking that we all push for more votes on him and less setup arguing
(as much as i am drawn into it)
because as my previous post said i think there is no point in it
as it delays and distracts from the scumlynch
when the nightkills will speak for themselves anyway, making you do unnecessary work with a high potential for invalid gain

[Frightened inmate number3]

I SWEAR I AM THE MOD OF THIS GAME AND THERE WILL BE MODDING DUTIES DONE TODAY.

mastin or voidedmafia: can a scum individual kill and use another action on the same night

please answer this as soon as possible.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i currently find nobody special ironic and amusing.

[Frightened inmate number3]

she freaked me out by saying "uninformed minority"

i wonder why you are freaking out.
why.

[Frightened inmate number3]

if only pirate ika and awesome who are both here would vote blizzard.

that would be awesome.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i do agree with titus that hippie doctor/fruit vendor alone seems unbalanced when fascists had gf/ninja and dictators had jk/rolecop.
but i think rather than throwing forward a bunch of theories like hippies and communists are teamed up or there are more hippies i would like to wait until the nightkills appear.

[Frightened inmate number3]

titus
if you really think i'm scum
choose between me and ika to cop tonight.
okay?

[Frightened inmate number3]

ika, vote blizzard
it's starting to get hard to believe you're actually this upset but you aren't doing anything to push a lynch or end the day

[Frightened inmate number3]

Klingon's slip might indicate her team has three players, she can't know what other teams have, but again this is an argument saved for tomorrow after we see how many nightkills there are.

this
and what types they are

also, it's not a slip when she says it repeatedly in over 5 posts on purpose

[Frightened inmate number3]

and as i said, titus probably has a point of some sort since the hippie scum powers were weaker than the others.

but that's for after the lynch
which awesome should be voting for now. there is no point in dragging this out any longer

[Frightened inmate number3]

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[Frightened inmate number3]

i'm sorry. there was a very big cheetos crumb in my keyboard. please continue self-destructing.

[Frightened inmate number3]

fuck
i don't know what's going on

[Frightened inmate number3]

i don't think there's an sk
i don't think there's communists but less sure of that

i think nobody special is town
and impossibear is scum
blizzard was undoubtedly the last of the fascists and they had more incentive to tell the truth about their results, particularly the nobody special innocent.

vote impossibear

that one i'm less sure of results-wise but still process of elimination leaves them in the scumpool for sure

[Frightened inmate number3]

i'm not unvoting but i want the bear to claim.

[Frightened inmate number3]

6. Frightened inmate number3 - town by me
8. Titus - very likely town by role and results
2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika) - very likely town by results
3. Nobody Special - very likely town by results

5. Muffin - miller claim, 7. Ankamius - miller claim - i think one of these two is lying. leaning ankamius.

1. theelkspeaks - i may be wrong about town tracker complementing town watcher

4. Impossibear (EspeciallyTheLies+Jingle) - scum by results and PoE

[Frightened inmate number3]

there is no tailor. blizzard was scum. shos result was the one he had incentive to lie about.

[Frightened inmate number3]

thanks for the claim.

what does it mean when awesome's sk modifier was pink but all the others were green (arcangel, pine...)

[Frightened inmate number3]

also, who did you kill last night?

[Frightened inmate number3]

impossibear and elk are the last scum then?

godfather/ninja/sane cop
doctor/fruit vendor/roleblocker
rolecop/jailkeeper/tracker

i highly highly doubt communists exist, in the same way i doubt sk exists.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i do believe jingle's explanation of their actions.

the reminder about n1 kills reminded me why i thought communists existed.

so picture this:

3/3/2/2[/1?]

fascists and hippies have one more than the other two because there's a fascist cop and hippie cop to balance that out. no dictator cop or communist cop claimed or hinted at. makes sense.

we have a flipped communist miller that also helps balance for communists. setup design indicates therefore dictator miller too, but none. just a note.

if there really is an sk, it's ika. bulletproof doesn't seem to fit with town at all, plus could explain the titus result. i still think they could be town, though.

sorting this more soon.