Micro 447: Shameless Mafia -- Game Over!

shos · Post Post #86 (isolation #0) » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:08 pm

Oh this exists lol

Fucking Gallaghars. How can Mandy be a VT?! Disgrace!!

Ill be here in a while

shos · Post Post #95 (isolation #1) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:04 am

In post 25, TierShift wrote:Is the thought process behind 23 contradictory to the thought process behind 21?

Find out next post!

In post 26, TierShift wrote:Yes

I laughed loudly for about a minute omw back home. Loudly

shos · Post Post #100 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:16 am

We shouldn't flavor claim. In this show there are so many people, scum 1000000% have fakeclaim.

shos · Post Post #101 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:17 am

it will only help scum narrow PRs I guess.

shos · Post Post #104 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:33 am

In post 66, TierShift wrote:Shooooooos I want you in heeere

<3

good new is aneninen is town

shos · Post Post #105 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:45 am

estival is town too. the RQS bringup has good motivation in it.

In post 66, TierShift wrote:Shooooooos I want you in heeere

In post 81, TierShift wrote:I hope my other game starts soon. I post too much when I'm in nly one, lol.

Shos in here

Tier, as much as I love you, why did you keep searching for me?

shos · Post Post #106 (isolation #6) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:50 am

In post 84, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 82, dodgy56 wrote:
In post 22, TierShift wrote:lol can we lynch dodgy first?

this post is my main reason for thinking tier is scum. Hearing the accusation against him, his first response is to ask if we can lynch me, He doesnt even attempt to justify why its wrong nor does to do anything to suggest why im scum. His reason for voting me at the point when he suggests it would be a scenario which requires him to be scum also. I know im town, but that doesnt make tier town. anen could be on the money with his post about tier and commenting on anen's meta. but if he is, tier didnt get it from me.

Did you read Tier's later posts that explained both reasons?

for later reference for myself

shos · Post Post #107 (isolation #7) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:12 am

In post 84, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 82, dodgy56 wrote:
In post 22, TierShift wrote:lol can we lynch dodgy first?

this post is my main reason for thinking tier is scum. Hearing the accusation against him, his first response is to ask if we can lynch me, He doesnt even attempt to justify why its wrong nor does to do anything to suggest why im scum. His reason for voting me at the point when he suggests it would be a scenario which requires him to be scum also. I know im town, but that doesnt make tier town. anen could be on the money with his post about tier and commenting on anen's meta. but if he is, tier didnt get it from me.

Did you read Tier's later posts that explained both reasons?

AA9 is town too for post 98, she spoke my thoughts out loud in parts.

shos · Post Post #108 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:13 am

Alright so I have two townreads at least; anyone wanna give me a scumread?

shos · Post Post #114 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:47 pm

VOTE: dodgy

shos · Post Post #116 (isolation #10) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:43 am

Not gonna happen.

shos · Post Post #119 (isolation #11) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:56 am

truth indeed. but I won't

shos · Post Post #121 (isolation #12) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:08 am

That fat guy doesn't exist, you stupid Gallaghar

shos · Post Post #128 (isolation #13) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:57 am

In post 125, TierShift wrote:shoooos answer me questionzz

uh, no, I am not a WW alt? I'm modding a game he's in :/

shos · Post Post #130 (isolation #14) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:00 am

what questions then?

shos · Post Post #147 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:36 pm

It doesnt, it is a RQS ibstead of RVS.

Tier, what questions you want answerwd

shos · Post Post #151 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:12 am

In post 98, ArcAngel9 wrote:[

I dont think Mass Claim help. there are plenty Gallagher's and their friends to match this players list. So, It is useless!

This.

shos · Post Post #152 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:14 am

1. If you could pick, town or scum? Scum. Much better at it and much more excite.
2. Best scum hunting moment in a finished game? Case on Nazerene in Olympians.
3. Most dangerous player of either alignment in the player list and why? Me, scum lol

shos · Post Post #154 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:24 am

In post 151, shos wrote:
In post 98, ArcAngel9 wrote:[

I dont think Mass Claim help. there are plenty Gallagher's and their friends to match this players list. So, It is useless!

This.

shos · Post Post #156 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:14 am

I think it is legit. The reaaons people have voiced against anebinen aee legitimate reasons. I just disagree with their bottom line.

shos · Post Post #172 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:59 am

I'm not going to answer you about that TS. Also, upon rereading, post 12 in combo with post 20 is indeed a scumslip, imo.
TS has not actually responded to that, so yeah. I'm joining this one.

VOTE: Tiershift

shos · Post Post #175 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:19 am

Yeah. did you really hear anen has a good scumgame?

shos · Post Post #184 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:46 pm

*sigh* I hate being town
makes you have to actually work to explain your shit and I'm lazy.
TS, if this is your question, I didn't ISO you thoroughly, but I did read quite a bit from the start of your ISO, which is the relevant parts because that was literally on page 1.

shos · Post Post #187 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:56 pm

The explanation is in 20. The combo waa not needed, it ia just that without p20 i woulsnt get it.

shos · Post Post #202 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:26 am

Prodsosge. Im a bit busy, will be here in <24h

shos · Post Post #203 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:38 am

SO HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN!?!

less than 24 hrs, yes? yes.

shos · Post Post #205 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:59 am

lol
I'm arranging my room, and will be here in about an hour I suppose, to provide about an hour of my time for this game

shos · Post Post #206 (isolation #27) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:51 am

So I'm here. I'm going to reread some and hopefully get some ISOing done.

shos · Post Post #207 (isolation #28) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:04 am

starting from the least posters of course.
sooooo dodgy. 6 posts in the entire game? including a proddodge and an RVS vote. lame. let's see what's in them.

ok so post 48 is interesting. I went back to see anen's post 20 to see the reference, since I remembered that dodgy wasn't even related and I wondered how this is what he chose to focus on. So in that post, he is indeed mentioned and is called scum. However, how does this post fit with the call for Tierscum? both in this post and in the vote after it on 49 - is this a naked vote? a pressure vote? you've been put in the same brackets with Tier as scum, so....?

oh so in post 82 he explains it. that's a pretty lollish explanation I think, it's obvious that Tier was joking there. odd.

post 111 is worth reading, since it sums up the entire ISO together, lol. it's odd, but I don't think it is scummy. it looks like a person who has yet to get involved with the game, as can also be witnessed by his prod dodge. if low posting was a goal, he wouldn't have actually get prodded.

so I'm null here.

shos · Post Post #208 (isolation #29) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:18 am

the last line of post 67 in estival's ISO shows good town mind, I think. I saw like 3 times that people ask why scum would talk about another player's scum meta and sorta agreed, but now that my attention is on this, this actually makes sense. I like.

Nothing too special about the rest of the ISO. in general, this looks like a townie ISO. works thoroughly, seems pretty transparent and his thoughts and observations are legit.

Town.

shos · Post Post #209 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:41 am

so the nameclaim and the massclaim offer on p1 is reaaaaaaally wierd imo. Town don't do that, like ever, and it's not like TF is a newbie. ALso, he said he knows every episode, so he KNOWS that there are maaaany people, more than enough, who can be fakeclaimed, and lots of people who can be both scum and town. So definitely no way this has actual town intent. The fact that he claimed Carl immediately in the same post is very strange as well. nameclaiming is bad, because in case the character fits the role, which it does as can be verified by everyone's role PM, then obviously the one who claims Lip is stronger than Debs, so that only helps scum.

This looks like scum trying to get town's confidence by early claiming their fakeclaim. Because the wifom thought of "why would scum claim so early and lock themself into something without good reason" is something scum can use, and I find it reaaaaaaaaally wierd if a townie who has seen the series would post this.

and then in ISO#3 we have:

I suggested it on the off-chance the game was poorly designed (sorry insanity, but had to check) and that scum had poor fakeclaims/ the game could be broken. If the game is well-designed, mass claiming shouldn't be a problem, if not, it could provide an advantage to town.

As for familiarity with shameless, it ties with the mass claim/ scum's fake claims. Players who haven't watched the show would have a more difficult time coming up with a convincing claim than someone who has watched everything.

WHICH IS TERRIBLY TERRIBLE.

I mean WUT.

post 160 I disagree with but it doesn't make any actual points that point towards being town. the following vote on dodgy is really fake and... easy, I think. that ISO is realely short but it doesn't actually have any scummy things in it, and that is a low hanging fruit.

good place to vote is TF.

scum.

shos · Post Post #211 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:20 am

I realized i needed reevaluation, yes. This is why I decided to go ISOing, willcontinue somewhen

shos · Post Post #213 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:48 am

well nope. I did think it was a slip, but those explanation posts by you later in the game didn't sink in well enough at the time. so basically, you made me realize I didn't read the thread thoroughly enough.

shos · Post Post #216 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:20 am

AA9's game looks ok for the while. her points/accusations and questions are legit imo and the ISO shows town thought process, I think. I'll call this mild town.

shos · Post Post #223 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:04 pm

In post 219, TierShift wrote:
In post 213, shos wrote:well nope. I did think it was a slip, but those explanation posts by you later in the game didn't sink in well enough at the time. so basically, you made me realize I didn't read the thread thoroughly enough.

why was your focus not on me at the start of your reread, then?

Lol because you are the lead poster, with amount of posts more than twice as much as me, being second

shos · Post Post #226 (isolation #35) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:53 am

TS, the reread started *because* I realized my mistake.

shos · Post Post #228 (isolation #36) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:26 am

...because I didnt care? Lol
I read your response and basically said "well, shit." and continued to isoing. You can see how tgis scratches my balls, yes? This is why.

shos · Post Post #229 (isolation #37) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:27 am

Ebwop continued towards isoing

shos · Post Post #231 (isolation #38) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:34 am

You playrd witg mr well enoughmate, yoy know that my scumgame is hyper.

shos · Post Post #235 (isolation #39) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:03 am

Thatsimpressive but im just lazy.

shos · Post Post #240 (isolation #40) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:08 am

In post 237, TierShift wrote:
In post 235, shos wrote:Thatsimpressive but im just lazy.

^bullshit evasive behaviour

here, enjoy:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwpICp ... sp=sharing

solution to my advanced quantum physics test.

shos · Post Post #242 (isolation #41) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:20 am

Crhistmas
so apart form post 41 which is wrong (level 55, bitch please), it's really hard to decipher if this player is actually playing the game or randomly nodding while sleeping.
first 23 posts are just junk, "explained" in post 167 but really it's not like it changed afterwards. I've no idea what the hell is it with this guy, obviously scum lean for uselessness and active lurking and randomvoting blindly but yeah, that's really wierd. hope this changes in the future. gotta sympathize lol

scumlean

shos · Post Post #243 (isolation #42) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:03 am

So Aneninen is town for reasons I have yet to disclose; but other than that, ISO #2 is crazily town. even if wrong, the thinking of this slip shows deep town motivation, I think. I mean, when I read TS' post at the first time, I weaved through it without blinking. what scum would respond this way? this also shows effort, which is more town traits.

it's really hard to dig through these long posts but it's ok. just not going to comment in depth. I can firmly call this town though, even if tunnleing, it's most likely town tunneling.

good town.

shos · Post Post #244 (isolation #43) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:33 am

So alchemist.

his ISO is solid. nothing too important here, there's good logic leading these posts but there really isn't anything outstanding that shouts I'm town. definitely nothing scummy though. valid points here and there, tiny bits.

this is leaning town.

shos · Post Post #245 (isolation #44) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:34 am

the thing I found really wierd in this ISO is that 22 was actually not a joke post by tier, btw. that means your ISO( last one left ) is going to be hard work, TS :/

I'm gonna go eat some and then maybe

shos · Post Post #246 (isolation #45) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:35 am

btw notice how nobody says anything for over 24 hours, almost?

shos · Post Post #250 (isolation #46) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:43 am

Probably TFs partner

shos · Post Post #253 (isolation #47) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:27 am

is that so? why?
last I checked your only reason for voting me is "evasive behavior", lol.

shos · Post Post #263 (isolation #48) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:04 pm

shit, I fell asleepyesterday. didn't manage to finish the ISO. I'll do it today

shos · Post Post #266 (isolation #49) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:09 am

In post 265, This Christmas wrote:mateys, i haz never heard of whomping willow. plz stahp with that

shos i dont understand your dismissal of tiershift's case. he has outlined it properly
your isoing was also thoroughly incomplete. no vote or direction to speak for it

I did not dismiss anything but the 'evasive behaviour'. I did not yet read (or rather say, comprehend) the rest of the case if such exists, since I have not yet ISOed TS. hopefully will do that today.

what is incomplete in my ISOing apart from TS? direction very well exists, if you actually read the posts you'd see that I've come to conclusions; and vote will come after the last ISO. what do you think is missing?

shos · Post Post #268 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:31 am

I have to say it kinda DID look like petty squabbling, but I truly AM busy (modding is more important, mescuzzy) and will get to it today

shos · Post Post #270 (isolation #51) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:23 am

TS's gamestart post is wierd. I dunno why but it really feels wierd. AA9, can you confirm that?

In post 37, TierShift wrote:You're avoiding my question. Did you or did you not believe I was admitting to being scum with dodgy?

xD repeating motif? XD

shos · Post Post #271 (isolation #52) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:04 am

I find the nonchallancy with regards to the whole aneninen-scum-meta subject a titbit town. like he's got nothing to hide; but the thing about 'long or short version' and the actual non-jokey reasoning to the 'can we lynch dodgy first' post is really odd. I find it odd that it wasn't joking, and I find it even more odd that there is actually a reasoning. I don't quote know what to make of that.

In post 54, TierShift wrote:I used to be against flavourclaiming but as of recently I don't really care for it anymore either way.

can you explain this? what made you be against and what changed?

post 60 has the actual legitimate reason for that post. The last sentence in particular is good and imo completely nullifies the anen scummeta thing.

and I really like post 63. I've done that too, the lying thingie for reactions, and in view of the past, this explains the reactions to anen. it just fits. From my own experience, it's really easy to be wagoned this way and might even be hard to get out of it. Thid is fitting.

shos · Post Post #272 (isolation #53) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:08 am

In post 65, TierShift wrote:Btw add to #1 the chance that I actually drop something inthread that I learned in the current game's scum PT, lol. You can ask shos to assess this chance, he's played with scum-me.

I find this good. Scum do not usually refer to their scummeta while they're not playing like it; they need

others

to find that out and speak it out loud for them. I refer to my meta only as town, too.

shos · Post Post #273 (isolation #54) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:09 am

Anen is somewhat of a grey area. Me elaborating might lead to him changing his behaviour, so I'm not gonna. Atm.

interesting, I had a townread on anen for a reason I did not disclose either. wonder if it's the same.

shos · Post Post #275 (isolation #55) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:22 am

In post 153, TierShift wrote:shos you ARE STILL NOT ANSWERING MINE

The persistence is a good thing.

pagetop@!

shos · Post Post #276 (isolation #56) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:38 am

In post 54, TierShift wrote:I used to be against flavourclaiming but as of recently I don't really care for it anymore either way.

In post 65, TierShift wrote:Btw add to #1 the chance that I actually drop something inthread that I learned in the current game's scum PT, lol. You can ask shos to assess this chance, he's played with scum-me.

In post 75, TierShift wrote:Come vote with me!
Christmas feels relaxed, which is a decent towntell ime. Not a strong townread.
Anen is somewhat of a grey area. Me elaborating might lead to him changing his behaviour, so I'm not gonna. Atm.

ISO's 60 and 61 are the posts that I have the most doubts about. In general, I got a townread so far for TS, but when people start calling people for 'lies' for stuff that are just not lies, at best, mistakes at probability and truths at worst, they are usually scum.

Then there's 64(post 224) which explains supposedly why he voted me, but that is truly terrible, because one does not just starts a full reread randomly. somehow, when I doubt myself and start a reread, I should still be holding a scumslip opinion? why would I need a reread for that, if so?
and in the same post he even says, in the first line, he does acknowledge the fact that I may be speaking truth, which is really much less far fetched. I don't understand this push and it fits TSscum. That 'focus on me' is especially odd considering the fact that I literally answered this topic on post 207 when the reread started. so again, what's the point?

shos · Post Post #277 (isolation #57) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:39 am

quotes above are residue, ignore them.

shos · Post Post #278 (isolation #58) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:40 am

In post 225, TierShift wrote:This bullshit evasive behaviour is exactly what scumshos does. Join the crusade and vote him!

Also this is pretty much false meta, I think. where have I as scum been evasive and inactive? name *one* game.

shos · Post Post #279 (isolation #59) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:58 am

*ignores post 234*

In post 241, TierShift wrote:nice

I don't think you understand why I put this here.

the idea is that you've not played with me since I started my masters degree. calling me lazy, evasive and chaotic in the same time, while expecting me to pretend to be playing to my town meta, is so far fetched that I dunno what's wrong with you.

The continued effort by TS in general and the consistent pushes he does gives me good vibes. So depite stupidity at parts, I'm calling this slot town. rather weak, though.

shos · Post Post #281 (isolation #60) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:03 am

Recap:

Scum

(from scummiest to least)
TF
christmas

NULL

Dodgy

Droog

Town

(from towniest to least)
Aneninen
estival
AA9
Alchemist
TS

VOTE: ToonFighter

Oi halo droog
vote TF with me

shos · Post Post #282 (isolation #61) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:04 am

Mod can we haz a VC?

shos · Post Post #285 (isolation #62) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:02 am

just be careful, I'm at L-2, so if you blatantly omgus someone might lolhammer. that's bad news for you

shos · Post Post #293 (isolation #63) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:57 am

Hey droog, I know your role PM :<

shos · Post Post #300 (isolation #64) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:58 pm

PAY.

jtop.

shos · Post Post #302 (isolation #65) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:44 am

1. I do not see how that reasoning is weak. What townie proposes a massclaim on their first post? Its not like you are a newbie. And the fact that you want nameclaims - what for? What good can town get from this? You know just as well as I do that there are MANY possible roles here, especially since the game is not limited to a single season.
The win condition, iirc, has something to do with the gallaghers. So the fact that you claim carl off the bat looks super scummy to me, ita like you say "hey look i am town" by force. Obviously there are non-gallaghars who are townies since there jist arent enough gallaghars(im not one, btw). So what benefit do you get? You KNOW that role and name are related in this game. So it only helps scum in shooting Fyona or Lip and not Debs.

Of all people, as the ome who claims to have seen every episode a thousand tjmes, that makes you superscum.

shos · Post Post #303 (isolation #66) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:46 am

2. Which ones look faje? Can you be specific with quotes and stuff? I did not even say why I am townreading Anen; and why does estival look fake? What do you disagree with?

And i have no idea what buddying you ae talking about; I really sont remember a single intetctuon wirh AA9

shos · Post Post #304 (isolation #67) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:52 am

3. Have you read my posts? Have you seen the fact that ive been busy witg uni? OF COURSE it is different. *sigh*

Why is that even scummy?

3.2,(lol): "all of your reads seem fake abd scummy". Really? ALL of them? Every aingle read is scummy? How can a read even be scummy?
By saying " all" you say nothing. Be apecific. What reads fake in my read on you? Can you anawer any of the questions i asked at all?

shos · Post Post #305 (isolation #68) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:54 am

"Take a bunch of days to complete an Iso" - did you notice thay i ISOed *everyone*? And it was two days?

"Find nothing else scummy in the entire game" -you havent been reading. And just remind me again, what are YOUR reads on everyone?

shos · Post Post #306 (isolation #69) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:55 am

This post of yours is scummy as shit and hypocrtical; im glad with my vote.

shos · Post Post #307 (isolation #70) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:52 am

back home now. I also find it funny that you claim my vote is weak when you have to add 'plus, omgus' to your vote for justification. I mean you literally wrote "considering joining one of the top wagons". in ISO 10.

shos · Post Post #309 (isolation #71) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:06 am

which one?

shos · Post Post #312 (isolation #72) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:01 am

huh? in austin powers? where was I evasive there?

also when is deadline

shos · Post Post #313 (isolation #73) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:02 am

there's almost 3 days man, that's loads of time.

shos · Post Post #315 (isolation #74) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:58 am

I'd go on and keep asking but Idgaf, I believe you I guess. Being mislynched because meta is something that probably hasn't happened to me yet, lol. Guess there's always new stuff arriving

shos · Post Post #330 (isolation #75) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:57 am

Guess I should claim. I am Micky, and i will do anything for Ian. As such, I am 90% sure I know who Ian is(which should, in time,make him conftown, i guess). I also have a strong ability. If someoneis willing to hammer, Ill vlaim it.

Note: ive never given up on a game, as either alignment. Apparantly im in a surprise spa vacation this weekend(thu-sat) which is past DL iirc, soclaim is due.

My read on TS has both parts where i scumread him and parts where i townread him. Together, i decided to put him on yhe weak-tpwn position. Either way, he is not todays lunch; TF should be todays lynch.

shos · Post Post #331 (isolation #76) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:04 am

@319:
How comes you ignored all yhe parts i looked at tS as towb and took in all tge parts wjere i called him scum? After doing this you accuse me of townreading him without reaspn?

shos · Post Post #351 (isolation #77) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:18 pm

Droog find it in ts 253 iirc or 243

shos · Post Post #356 (isolation #78) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:43 am

Holy shit, less than a day to DL.

Droog, both me and TF are on L-1. Make a good choice.

TF, I assume now is a good time to at least partially claim.

shos · Post Post #357 (isolation #79) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:46 am

Fpr reference:

In post 281, shos wrote:Recap:

Scum
(from scummiest to least)
TF
christmas

NULL

Dodgy
Droog

Town
(from towniest to least)
Aneninen
estival
AA9
Alchemist
TS

VOTE: ToonFighter

Oi halo droog
vote TF with me

In post 209, shos wrote:so the nameclaim and the massclaim offer on p1 is reaaaaaaally wierd imo. Town don't do that, like ever, and it's not like TF is a newbie. ALso, he said he knows every episode, so he KNOWS that there are maaaany people, more than enough, who can be fakeclaimed, and lots of people who can be both scum and town. So definitely no way this has actual town intent. The fact that he claimed Carl immediately in the same post is very strange as well. nameclaiming is bad, because in case the character fits the role, which it does as can be verified by everyone's role PM, then obviously the one who claims Lip is stronger than Debs, so that only helps scum.

This looks like scum trying to get town's confidence by early claiming their fakeclaim. Because the wifom thought of "why would scum claim so early and lock themself into something without good reason" is something scum can use, and I find it reaaaaaaaaally wierd if a townie who has seen the series would post this.

and then in ISO#3 we have:

I suggested it on the off-chance the game was poorly designed (sorry insanity, but had to check) and that scum had poor fakeclaims/ the game could be broken. If the game is well-designed, mass claiming shouldn't be a problem, if not, it could provide an advantage to town.

As for familiarity with shameless, it ties with the mass claim/ scum's fake claims. Players who haven't watched the show would have a more difficult time coming up with a convincing claim than someone who has watched everything.

WHICH IS TERRIBLY TERRIBLE.

I mean WUT.

post 160 I disagree with but it doesn't make any actual points that point towards being town. the following vote on dodgy is really fake and... easy, I think. that ISO is realely short but it doesn't actually have any scummy things in it, and that is a low hanging fruit.

good place to vote is TF.

scum.

shos · Post Post #364 (isolation #80) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:46 am

So explain to me again, why did you, as a VT Carl(which fits, supppsedly) feel the need to suggest massclaim and nameclaim?

shos · Post Post #368 (isolation #81) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:09 am

In post 365, ArcAngel9 wrote:
Unvote

Since Toon has taken a Gallagher name and we know all Gallagher's are town, he may be town unless if someone counter claim him.

In post 366, ArcAngel9 wrote:If he scum, he wouldn't be able to claim as Carl.
I want more claims.. Tier Shift and Anenen, Claim your flavor please.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT DENSE?!?! HAVE YOU BEEN READING MY POSTS?!

ill go and iso myself for you

shos · Post Post #369 (isolation #82) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:12 am

well actually the post at the buttom is the only one that I need you to read(obviously you haven't). but I also found this lol, crumbing for being mickey

crumb:

In post 86, shos wrote:Oh this exists lol

Fucking Gallaghars. How can Mandy be a VT?! Disgrace!!

Ill be here in a while

why this claim is shit:

In post 209, shos wrote:so the nameclaim and the massclaim offer on p1 is reaaaaaaally wierd imo. Town don't do that, like ever, and it's not like TF is a newbie. ALso, he said he knows every episode, so he KNOWS that there are maaaany people, more than enough, who can be fakeclaimed, and lots of people who can be both scum and town. So definitely no way this has actual town intent. The fact that he claimed Carl immediately in the same post is very strange as well. nameclaiming is bad, because in case the character fits the role, which it does as can be verified by everyone's role PM, then obviously the one who claims Lip is stronger than Debs, so that only helps scum.

This looks like scum trying to get town's confidence by early claiming their fakeclaim. Because the wifom thought of "why would scum claim so early and lock themself into something without good reason" is something scum can use, and I find it reaaaaaaaaally wierd if a townie who has seen the series would post this.

and then in ISO#3 we have:

I suggested it on the off-chance the game was poorly designed (sorry insanity, but had to check) and that scum had poor fakeclaims/ the game could be broken. If the game is well-designed, mass claiming shouldn't be a problem, if not, it could provide an advantage to town.

As for familiarity with shameless, it ties with the mass claim/ scum's fake claims. Players who haven't watched the show would have a more difficult time coming up with a convincing claim than someone who has watched everything.

WHICH IS TERRIBLY TERRIBLE.

I mean WUT.

post 160 I disagree with but it doesn't make any actual points that point towards being town. the following vote on dodgy is really fake and... easy, I think. that ISO is realely short but it doesn't actually have any scummy things in it, and that is a low hanging fruit.

good place to vote is TF.

scum.

shos · Post Post #370 (isolation #83) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:13 am

I mean FFS which experienced townie says 'lets massclaim, because the setup might be broken, what is the worst that can happen'

shos · Post Post #379 (isolation #84) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:00 am

But it is obvious that the mod woupd give fakevlaims because the flavor fits the role. Otherwise the game is breakable.

shos · Post Post #380 (isolation #85) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:02 am

And PLEASE FFS DO NOT NAMECLAIM PEOPLE THAT IS STUPUD AND ONLY HELPS SCUM

shos · Post Post #383 (isolation #86) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:15 am

How the fuck am i still the leading wagon.

Im a gunsmith. Please can we proceed with lynching TF?
AA9 and those voting TS are automatically scumreads of mine if I disregard the game, btw, juat becauae they posted this close to DL and started anoyher vanity wagom. Scum benefit from NL.

Id like to be watched tpnight.

shos · Post Post #389 (isolation #87) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:52 am

If the game is well designed and the scum have fakeclaims and the names are not automatic giveaways, nameclaim should never be a liability, for either town or scum.

That is plain wrong. In such a theme where it isnt obvious evem theme wise who the bad guys are, AND there are like a thousand different roles, meaning that not neceasarily are all the gallaghers in the game(and probably exkst as scum fakeclaims if not), it can only do bad. The game can very well be well designed and YET all the roles fit to their name, and still it wont be breakable, like my LotR. Massclaim D1 only helps scum and as i have repeatedly said, since the name is related to the role(see mickey gunsmith, carl VT supposedly) then it provides LOADS of ibformation to scum, and almost zero info for town.

This is bullshit and I honestly cant believe that you being at L-1 after claing Carl was suddenly destrpyed when you claimrd VT. No fucking way that this is not thework of buddies protecting their mate.

shos · Post Post #390 (isolation #88) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:55 am

And then of course you vote anen(?!), a completely new wagon 10 hrs from deadline. Of course you want a nolynch.

Me being a gunsmith makes no sense if there wasnt a vig. Vig, shoot"carl" please, yes? Worst case one less VT.

Estival, you were ALREADY voting TS(vanity wagon again btw,) so why did you feel the need to revote? Whyare you there anyway?

shos · Post Post #392 (isolation #89) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:58 am

Do you realize there is no chance that vote is going to do anything useful?

shos · Post Post #424 (isolation #90) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:44 pm

This town is a trainwreck

I call yhis game perfect scum win

Omfg

I can give you a dozen games where d1 lynch lead to maaaassive information. MASSIVE.
I cany believe Lip jusy claimed. Holy fuck

THERE IS AN EXAMPLE TOWN ROLE PM RIGHT THERE ONPAGEONE

SCUM KNOW THE TOWN WINCON

THAT IS WHY HE FAKECLAIMED CARL ASAP

why onearth otherwise would he do that
Omfg

OMFFFFFG

Im going to sleep

Wipl respond in dead thread

shos · Post Post #425 (isolation #91) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:44 pm

Also, pagetop. Damnit.

shos · Post Post #434 (isolation #92) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:11 pm

Im still awake somewhy

Estival, the most recent is inuyasha, but off thr top of my head the tpcky hprror show fits too

TF wluld fakeclaim because he is given a safeclaim so he uses it. It is both a "lool how town i am" and adds a perk of fooling othera to claim prematurely as well, which again, helps only scum.

What benefit have you got from knowing now who Lip is? Ateve? Carl? Mickey?

No brnefit at all
Lip is pronably some kind of joat; wanna bet he dies/os blpcked?

So scum got usefil info.
Town got uselessinfo, at best.

Also Carl doesnt even fit as a VT. Debs does. Carl is a criminal, he breaks his fathers leg, bullies everyone around, smokes, drinks, gets kicked outta school, and all this before age of 10. VT? Nah.

Scum probably got a "these roles are not in the game: carl, ____, ____," and not a full fakeclaim.

shos · Post Post #460 (isolation #93) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:04 am

Blocked, and surprise surprise.

What a stupid day 1 that was

shos · Post Post #462 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:11 am

Why the anen vote?

Also VOTE: TF.

Nothing changed through the night.

shos · Post Post #463 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:11 am

Can someone please tell me I've been watched

shos · Post Post #467 (isolation #96) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:26 am

It only makes sense that i get blocked instead of killed
This makes use of both kill and block whereas killing me may waste the block on a VT.

Scum 101.

The pm I sent the mod was mad, I was bursting too

TF. Its gonna be a long tunnel

Prepare

shos · Post Post #472 (isolation #97) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:17 am

In post 468, Toon Fighter wrote:Y u tunnel on me?

(+1 internet points for eurotrip reference)

bdcause yiu are scum, duh. You made multiple people claim name/role unneededly, which helps scum infinitely free.
Tge wagon on you had so much resistance its incredible. The fact that TS' wagon rose so close to deadline and so high proves for me that TS is town, and I am sure that in his wagon there is at least 2 scum presence

And yeah, scuzzy

In post 469, insanity018 wrote:Welp. Ran out of ideas for Ian's flavour

roflollercopterz

In post 470, TierShift wrote:
In post 466, Toon Fighter wrote:You haven't read the game during the night?

I went hitchhiking to paris!

It feels weird to see a L-1 wagon arise right before deadline, not see it hammered and then see the guy leading the wagon vote someone else.

Why wasn't anen your vote yesterday, tf?

Cool Paris!
See what I wrote above please.

shos · Post Post #474 (isolation #98) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:48 am

because deadline came too quick?

Thewhole idea of nameclaiming was brought in by you and you alone.

shos · Post Post #476 (isolation #99) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:38 am

The subject was brought back up when I scumread you for that. then discussion rose again and this was the result.

I tried to cop droog, but failed.

shos · Post Post #480 (isolation #100) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:15 am

In post 478, Toon Fighter wrote:@Shos: If you were so sure I was scum, why didn't you cop me?

Because I want new info on a nullread, not someone im already sure is cum

shos · Post Post #481 (isolation #101) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:15 am

Scum* lol

shos · Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:15 am

I will only be able to disclose the reason I have a townread on anen late in the game

shos · Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:52 am

TF, I'm not answering that. no benefit to town, only to scum.

I'm kinda on the fence on voting Droog right now.

shos · Post Post #504 (isolation #104) » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:03 pm

VOTE: AA9.

I'll give you a list of some vital characters.

Deb
Carl
Ian
Lip
Fyona
Frank
Sammy
Liam
Vivian
Kevin
Mickey
Mandy
Karen
Karen's mom
their sex adddict boyfriend
Steve/Jimmy
Gus

who is scum?

shos · Post Post #519 (isolation #105) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:50 am

STOP FUCKONG CLAIMING YOUR CHARACTER OH FOR FUCJS SAKEEEE

why would you join a Shameless mafia if you dont know shameless

TGERE ARE NOT ENOUGH GALLAGARS TO FILL A TOWN

AND THERE ARE PLENTY NON-GALLAGHARS WHO ARE PRO-GALLAGHARS

YOU ARE ONLU HELPING SCUM ISOLATE PRS

shos · Post Post #521 (isolation #106) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:24 am

In post 504, shos wrote:VOTE: AA9.

I'll give you a list of some vital characters.

Deb
Carl
Ian
Lip
Fyona
Frank
Sammy
Liam
Vivian
Kevin
Mickey
Mandy
Karen
Karen's mom
their sex adddict boyfriend
Steve/Jimmy
Gus

who is scum?

AA9, answer me.

shos · Post Post #522 (isolation #107) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:27 am

I think that at least some of the gallaghars are scum fakeclaims that do not exist in the setup. I'm also pretty damn sure AA9 is scum.

shos · Post Post #531 (isolation #108) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:15 am

In post 524, TierShift wrote:The line of reasoning that some of the gallaghers are scum fakeclaims because they are all obviously town is as dumb as the original line of reasoning that all the gallaghers are town.

Anyway, the fact that you say that there is information to be had from flavourclaiming as some gallaghers HAVE to be scum (I don't agree) contradicts your statement that flavourclaiming is useless and only helps scum. Care to explain?

The difference is as following.

1. why this doesn't give info to town:
because there are six gallaghars. there are 9 people in the game, which means most likely 2 scum, meaning 7 town, which are not the gallaghars. while some gallaghars may be in play, I think it is likely that at least one is a scum fakeclaim *cough*AA9/TF*cough*. This does not help town because we're not just going to lyncht hem on the assumption that gallaghar is scum, and because lol that is too big of a pool to work with PoE.
Also, we have absolutely no idea what's going on regarding which flavor is scum. for all we know, Frank gallaghar can be scum - the wincon is gallaghar KIDS - this means that Fyona, Frank, and Sammy are out. Frank can be scum or town; Karen, Steve - they can all be both scum and town. WE HAVE NO INFORMATION HERE.

2. why this hurts town by giving info to scum:
we already know by now that roles are connected to the flavor(E.G. me, gunmaster Mickey is a gunsmith) and as such, any scum with even the slightest understanding of the show will know that nightkilling Liam is a stupid decision when you can kill Fyona.

shos · Post Post #532 (isolation #109) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:16 am

@TS 526: you do realize I was town in both unbalanced mafia games, right? lol. *keeps reading*

shos · Post Post #533 (isolation #110) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:22 am

Alright! calling it:

{TF,AA9,Alchemist21}.

Mod, post it in dead thread,March 11, I win.

shos · Post Post #538 (isolation #111) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:35 am

ooh I'm here don't disappear

shos · Post Post #539 (isolation #112) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:49 am

re:meta
I know it's kinda wierd to refer to my meta and say that my meta is to refer to my meta only when I'm town, (lol that sentence is funny) but the fact is that when I'm scum, I play to my scum meta to the fullest, and as such, I actively avoid meta discussion, and whenever such starts I divert it to someone else or to some other subject. Extraspecially because I like palying with peeps I played with before, and hence, they know my scummeta (like you this game).

re: anen
I'm not sure I understand your question to me; but meanwhile, no, I cannot explain my early townread on Anen. Lately it's been going down though, I'll say that, although the Lip claim gives me gut of town, because as a mod I would *totally* include him in town as the most awesomest person in the show.

re: AA9 and the tunnel
The thing that happened is these two posted. While TF posted with reason, AA9 proved to me that he skims the game and ignores my posts almost altogether if not entirely.

mom's bugging me I'll be back in a few minutes stay ONLINE

shos · Post Post #542 (isolation #113) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:54 am

In post 536, TierShift wrote:
In post 531, shos wrote:
In post 524, TierShift wrote:The line of reasoning that some of the gallaghers are scum fakeclaims because they are all obviously town is as dumb as the original line of reasoning that all the gallaghers are town.

Anyway, the fact that you say that there is information to be had from flavourclaiming as some gallaghers HAVE to be scum (I don't agree) contradicts your statement that flavourclaiming is useless and only helps scum. Care to explain?

The difference is as following.

1. why this doesn't give info to town:
because there are six gallaghars. there are 9 people in the game, which means most likely 2 scum, meaning 7 town, which are not the gallaghars. while some gallaghars may be in play, I think it is likely that at least one is a scum fakeclaim *cough*AA9/TF*cough*. This does not help town because we're not just going to lyncht hem on the assumption that gallaghar is scum, and because lol that is too big of a pool to work with PoE.
Also, we have absolutely no idea what's going on regarding which flavor is scum. for all we know, Frank gallaghar can be scum - the wincon is gallaghar KIDS - this means that Fyona, Frank, and Sammy are out. Frank can be scum or town; Karen, Steve - they can all be both scum and town. WE HAVE NO INFORMATION HERE.

2. why this hurts town by giving info to scum:
we already know by now that roles are connected to the flavor(E.G. me, gunmaster Mickey is a gunsmith) and as such, any scum with even the slightest understanding of the show will know that nightkilling Liam is a stupid decision when you can kill Fyona.

I did not realise that mickey was a gunsmith. I thought flavour would not be related to roles. This is bad. I think.
I think a well-designed setup, especially one that was advertised as "flavour knowledge not required to play" shouldn't have important characters as PR's. I thought that was the case. Not so sure now.

In post 532, shos wrote:@TS 526: you do realize I was town in both unbalanced mafia games, right? lol. *keeps reading*

yeah, why does that matter?

Dunno, it felt like you were explaining why you are scumreading me, despite townreading me, so you said I acted like something that was done when I was town(twice) and therefore scum....ors omething..

shos · Post Post #543 (isolation #114) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:57 am

In post 537, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 533, shos wrote:Alright! calling it:

{TF,AA9,Alchemist21}.

Mod, post it in dead thread,March 11, I win.

I still want someone to answer my question. Can we assume a given character has a PR just because of the character? And if not, then why is this harmful to Town?

I dunno. I am mickey and am a gunsmith, so I assumed yes.
but you know what, even if not, what GOOD can come out of nameclaiming?
there are a thousand characters, no bad guys, so everyone can be any alignment, even SK, survivor, everything. (lol this fits with everyone-is-survivor lol). So what benefit do you gain from mass flavorclaim? none. if so, why do it? hey, how bout we all say what name we would give to a flying racoon if we had a flying racoon?!?

...no.

In post 540, This Christmas wrote:
In post 377, This Christmas wrote:Jimmy Steve Lishman

also im so relieved estival isnt here to tunnel me

In post 541, This Christmas wrote:well, not tunnel but be pushy and loud

how bout some actual content from you?
analysis? reads? anything?

shos · Post Post #562 (isolation #115) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:37 am

In post 546, ArcAngel9 wrote:Shos, just because you think character claims wont work doesn't meant no value. lets imagine scum have fake claims..Still it wouldn't hurt knowing the claims.. It wont isolate scum the PR's. Ian is a pretty important character but he was still VT. It would stupid for scum to think any power role is tied up with a character.

What value would that be?
here, assume we have all the gallaghars claimed, which one is the scum fakeclaim? YOU GET NO BENEFIT FROM KNOWING THIS.

Ian is important just as all the others, and he really isn't one I expect to be super powerful, with his bipolarity and general uselessness lol

In post 547, ArcAngel9 wrote:And Aneninen have been continuously avoiding sharing his name.. This one needs to die today
VOTE: Aneninen

honestly the stupidity with this one is grand

shos · Post Post #563 (isolation #116) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:41 am

In post 559, ArcAngel9 wrote:mickey and jimmy could be possible scum claims..
Lip i think could be scum claim too.. i thinking this through Mods perspective because that's what i do if i made this setup (at least give 1 Gallagher for scum to claim)

so what you're saying is 'oh lip can be a scum fakeclaim but carl cant so let's lynch lip'.

do you even realize how stupid?

shos · Post Post #565 (isolation #117) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:00 am

Why is there always an assumption that the mod is lacking and did not build his game well, damn it?

shos · Post Post #567 (isolation #118) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:11 am

HOW DOES IT HELP
JUMPING AND MAKING SQUACK NOISES DOESNT HURT EITHER

shos · Post Post #569 (isolation #119) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:26 am

but I've *shown* you that it *can* hurt town.

shos · Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:11 am

daaaaayum, that was a bussing vote. 2 scum found

shos · Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:29 pm

hey TS
let's be partners

I think we can safely form a townblock together and with droog

shos · Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:40 pm

you must mean my second to latest.?
the latest was addressing TS and droog.

re: you - it wasn't quickly at all

shos · Post Post #589 (isolation #123) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:58 am

His posts of late have investigative nature and they look sincere; he makes sense and speaks my thoughts.

shos · Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:53 am

Can we just have more AA9 votes already. Ut seems everyone knows she is scum by now.

shos · Post Post #612 (isolation #125) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:15 am

Christmas, can you explain to me how you vote Alchemiat, ask AA9 to claim and then vote me, all in the span of 6 posts?

shos · Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:10 am

So im not surr about anen and starting to doubt myself about TF,, but im rather sure about AA9. So im staying here for the night.

If i die, remember that scum have a roleblocker

shos · Post Post #663 (isolation #127) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:42 am

you guys really need to drop this subject. that is obviously not a slip, and TS' way of thinking in regards to slips is totally wierd, which is why he reads anen as scum because of it. these are all perception stuff. Deal with them later if you wish, scumhunt differently if you can.

shos · Post Post #665 (isolation #128) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:54 am

well even if I have a cop guilty on X, and absolutely nobody supports that lynch, no point in pursuing it. maybe later.

shos · Post Post #667 (isolation #129) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:06 am

This happens, you know. if you can't show he is scum beyond your cop guilty, you're fucked. it's not enough to know the alignment of people in a mafia game, you also need to convince the others to foolow you.

meanwhile, AA9 is scum. I do not understand why she is not dead yet.

shos · Post Post #677 (isolation #130) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:01 am

I request to be watched tonight

shos · Post Post #682 (isolation #131) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:19 am

And it's a hammer.
I think this is s scum lynch.

well.

shos · Post Post #697 (isolation #132) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:05 pm

In post 695, Toon Fighter wrote:did u get blocked again shos?

Yup, tried to cop you.

shos · Post Post #699 (isolation #133) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Kewlz

shos · Post Post #700 (isolation #134) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:14 pm

Kewlz

Seal of approval ON

shos · Post Post #704 (isolation #135) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:24 am

(hint: he is the scum RB)

shos · Post Post #707 (isolation #136) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:53 am

(Hint: roleblock for wifom? Duh. Scum 101)

shos · Post Post #712 (isolation #137) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:02 am

In post 710, Toon Fighter wrote:anen, claim

shos · Post Post #718 (isolation #138) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:07 am

Jimmy VT?
doesn't sound like it

shos · Post Post #721 (isolation #139) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:12 am

Is debbie a VT too?

shos · Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:33 pm

That means you will be blocked and I killed or the opposite. Either way, 2 conftowns are a scum prpblem, meaning we should lynch.

shos · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:04 am

TF, nolynching wipl not hwlp you.

As of now, TS vouches for me, and as such I am not a possible lynch today. Then if I die, nothing changes. No profit in that.

I dont quite know who to point at. Christmas seems bad to me, but alao TF(although i have somrthing else for him) and i need to invest more time in the game.

Later today, probably.

shos · Post Post #736 (isolation #142) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:04 am

I dont know the qord inenglish for what i want to say lol

shos · Post Post #738 (isolation #143) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:40 am

I have somethimf that pings my gut into not votinf him

shos · Post Post #740 (isolation #144) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:30 am

TF. I need to get into this game a little more before I decide who scum are

shos · Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:47 am

commenting inside the quote for ease.

In post 744, Aneninen wrote:
In post 724, TierShift wrote:I'm a voyeur. I've targeted shos both night one and night two. He was blocked for both of those nights. Nothing else happened to him.

Shos is confirmed town, by virtue of that.

That doesn't confirm anything. These are also possible:
(1) TierShift is Mafia Goon and his partner is a Roleblocker, blocking Shos twice.
(2) Both TierShift and Shos are scum (with any PRs) and they're both faking.

In post 724, TierShift wrote:
So, I could check if anen's claim is true, I think? Let me check the wiki. If he hasn't used his shot, at least.

No, you can't. You could see if anyone targets me but that's all.

There's something that I don't like.
If all claims are real, it'd mean that the town has (1) a 1–shot Tracker (confirmed), (2) a Voyeur, (3) a Gunsmith and (4) a 1–shot Commuter. The scums have in this case a Roleblocker.
Wouldn't it be a bit unbalanced?

Something is not right here.

Why do we have a Gunsmith instead of a Cop?
A Voyeur can confirm the action of the 1–shot Tracker or the Gunsmith, but that's all.

Either TierShift or Shos is lying. Aren't both of them telling that we should choose lynching Today instead of NoLynch?

Also, has anyone examined whether ArcAngel hinted her Tracking?
I guess (according to her posts)
She didn't track ToonFighter, Aneninen, Shos (?), Alchemist.
She definitely didn't have a positive result.
It's possible that she didn't use her ability at all.

Eh screw it too much to post I'll post outside:
There's also
(3) TierShift is mafia trying to buddybuddy me.

Re: balance - you don't know what other PRs scum may have, that's one; and two is, well, this is realy not a powerful town. Voyeur can help confirm other roles but in general it is not a strong role; the tracker is one shot, and the commuter actually hurts town because it can cancel all three of the other PRs. Scum having a roleblocker and say, a godfather, would be OP against this town imo.

Voyeur can confirm you by you commuting and him failing to get a result.

I think that, considering the fact we have no claimed vig or extra kills, the gunsmith is practically a cop, and it just fits better with the theme and role of Mickey than cop. There could be the cop that Fiona fucked on the first two seasons, but that's so weak, I wouldn't even give that as scum fakeclaim - let alone a real role..

How is one of me and TS have to be lying making sense?and lying about what?

<<<PLEASE READ>>>

the reason that nolynching would not help town whatsoever right now is this - at the moment, practically, TS vouches for me. that means that I am not to be lynched ever before TS. as such, us nolynching would just result in me being killed, which would confirm nothing and contribute nothing to the town. The Lynch pool will stay the same, and scum will need less town-errors to coordinate a quickhammer.

we are not no lynching.

I will look for tracking crumbs later tomorrow.

shos · Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:47 am

payyyyyjtawwwwwppp

pfft anen so much for being VLA

shos · Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:50 am

TS be careful with your voting, it's mylo. no rush.

shos · Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:50 am

In post 735, insanity018 wrote:

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-03-31 11:00:00)

Aneninen is LA until Sunday.[/color]

QFT lol

shos · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:06 pm

I'll invest time in this game tomorrow mebbe

shos · Post Post #766 (isolation #150) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:09 am

I shall investigate this game further in a few minutes. I should have about 5 hours to do whatever I wish + start my uni homework, so I'll combine these.

shos · Post Post #767 (isolation #151) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:15 am

Doesn't look like AA9 crumbed anything.

shos · Post Post #768 (isolation #152) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:41 am

K so I really don't think TS is scum. Anen's claim seems actually fitting, imo. the PRs in this game have literal relevance between their power and their flavor, and as such, I buy her claim.

I think This Christmas is scum. Jimmy's claim is the worst of them, I think - as a start, I wouldn't expect him to be a VT, and even if, he's eventually almost the only one whom I can safely call possible scum flavor wise. I'd say maybe Frank too or whatshername Sammy, but yeah. TC has been sort of scumread by me the entire game, too; his posts lack in depth content and in general lack conviction.

A little bit of wagon analysis show that his voting habits are odd. He was the third vote on TS' wagon D1 which was literally formed out of the blue, as a counterwagon to TF who is still alive and was made while TS was actually V/LA. I'm sure that both scums are on that wagon. That wagon consists of:

Toon Fighter, Aneninen, This Christmas, droog

ALL FOUR are still alive. surprise surprise?
this is our lynch pool. the fact that this wagon happened is proof that TS is town, and TS town is proof for me town. In general, we have to decide between these four.

shos · Post Post #769 (isolation #153) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:41 am

Oh wait droog is dead. that's good.

shos · Post Post #770 (isolation #154) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:43 am

This narrows it a bunch.

Toon Fighter, Aneninen, This Christmas.

if V was a VT that actually makes some sense that Steve might be too. better not rely on that, I guess; but I am *really* sure that scum would be given a fakeclaim as one of the gallaghars. let's see.

shos · Post Post #773 (isolation #155) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:48 am

shosgunsmith, Mickey
TFVT, Carl
TCVT, Jimmy
AnenCommuter, Lip
AlchemistVT, Sheila
TierShiftDebbie

Dead:
Fiona, 1-shot Tracker (AA9)
Ian, VT (estival)
Veronica, VT (droog)

pedit: well, I don't know, I think it's likely. the wagon on TF fell apart for absolutely no reason, iirc, and you were wagoned while you were VLA. this HAS to be a counterwagon, otherwise the TF wagon would have gone through. why waste a mislynch?

shos · Post Post #774 (isolation #156) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:52 am

we have all 4 non-infant gallaghars as claimed. Carl as a VT...so not fitting.
I doubt anen is scum, because that claim is really sound and...irregular. As scum, when you fakeclaim, you try to think what would help, what would be believable, etc. a commuter is not often used as a fakeclaim, I think. Town's pwoer is very weak apart from me, so I'd say a commuter fits balance wise, too; regardless of what powers scum have.

shos · Post Post #775 (isolation #157) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:52 am

In post 771, Toon Fighter wrote:I think scums are [Alch, TC]

elaborate.

shos · Post Post #776 (isolation #158) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:53 am

I want to see today's input from TF, anen and christmas. they are our pool.

Alch, who do you think are the scum?

shos · Post Post #778 (isolation #159) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:54 am

Let's revisit D1 and see how wagons formed and deformed, and see that counterwagon on you, and see how we came to no-lynch.

shos · Post Post #783 (isolation #160) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:09 am

In post 136, Toon Fighter wrote:

In post 67, estival wrote:ToonFighter, I've only seen one episode but mass claiming is probably not the best idea. Why did you suggest it?

The conversation between TierShift, Alchemist, dodgy56, and Aienen seems based on some meta reads?

I can see why scum would talk about another players scum meta if they were to set them up for a lynch but it seems a bit reaching?

I suggested it on the off-chance the game was poorly designed (sorry insanity, but had to check) and that scum had poor fakeclaims/ the game could be broken. If the game is well-designed, mass claiming shouldn't be a problem, if not, it could provide an advantage to town.

As for familiarity with shameless, it ties with the mass claim/ scum's fake claims. Players who haven't watched the show would have a more difficult time coming up with a convincing claim than someone who has watched everything.

Oh I'm just gonna go and knock my head through the wall

shos · Post Post #784 (isolation #161) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:11 am

In post 780, This Christmas wrote:no lynch was because almost every wagon was impossible save for shos, and then he claimed a PR so everyone scrambled, and people disagreed on views until it was too late

are you kidding me? TF was on L-1 and it suddenly scrambled away into a wagon on a VLA player.

shos · Post Post #785 (isolation #162) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:14 am

In post 781, Aneninen wrote:
In post 773, shos wrote:shosgunsmith, Mickey
TFVT, Carl
TCVT, Jimmy
AnenCommuter, Lip
AlchemistVT, Sheila
TierShiftVoyeur, Debbie

Dead:
Fiona, 1-shot Tracker (AA9)
Ian, VT (estival)
Veronica, VT (droog)

Hasn't TierShift claimed Voyeur?

(Mind that I'm still on LA)

Oh yea, that was copypasta & change looks & forget to add.
Do we want Anen to claim actions?

fixed:

shosgunsmith, Mickey
TFVT, Carl
TCVT, Jimmy
AnenCommuter, Lip
AlchemistVT, Sheila
TierShiftVoyeur, Debbie

Dead:
Fiona, 1-shot Tracker (AA9)
Ian, VT (estival)
Veronica, VT (droog)

In post 782, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 776, shos wrote:I want to see today's input from TF, anen and christmas. they are our pool.

Alch, who do you think are the scum?

I still think Christmas is scum because he hasn't really done much and was on that TS wagon D1.

I also think Toon is scum as well. Partly PoE because I townread Shos, Tier, and Anen, but also because he kept pushing a Shos scumread even on D2. Hell, even now he's trying to shit on Shos and Tier's claims.

Agree.

shos · Post Post #788 (isolation #163) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:19 am

In post 162, ArcAngel9 wrote:those Aneninen large posts... he does that as scum

I'm a sucker of long large posts, and I hate that it makes me lean town on anen; but this...Anen, is that true? can you link me to towngames in which you did that too?

shos · Post Post #789 (isolation #164) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:20 am

In post 786, This Christmas wrote:Yeah I thought it was Tier the counter to shos

Bad memory.
Tbh my play is handing the win to scum on a silver platter, but I'm just too disenchanted and need a break after this game

still 11 days to DL, you can read the entire thread three times(it's not that long at all). Also, you can replace out if you truly need a break.

shos · Post Post #790 (isolation #165) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:22 am

In post 167, This Christmas wrote:ye i wuz super stressed last week n so my posts were rly hyperactive/silly, but this week shud b different u know

TC, looks like you keep saying crap to avoid giving content and such. and I didn't even ISO you. THIS REQUITES META RESEARCH. both on anen and on TC.

anyone interested?

shos · Post Post #791 (isolation #166) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:25 am

In post 162, ArcAngel9 wrote:those Aneninen large posts... he does that as scum
Aneninen, you're scum reading tier for wrong reasons and Shos town reading you for wrong reasons. One of you or both of youre scum.

And, I dont like this Dodgy wagon.. it is as dodgy as it could have been.. I am up for Shos or Aneninen today!!! Who is in with me?

In post 167, This Christmas wrote:ye i wuz super stressed last week n so my posts were rly hyperactive/silly, but this week shud b different u know

I'm rereading D1, (currently on p8) and honestly, you all should do this too. I played really bad startgame, not reading and stuff (before my catchup).

Alchemist looks very townie, just as TS and AA9, sadly. TC and TF keep making me feel bad every time I read their posts.

shos · Post Post #792 (isolation #167) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:44 am

Spoiler: ALL of the interactions between TC and TF. don't worry, it's not much.

In post 68, This Christmas wrote:
In post 67, estival wrote:ToonFighter, I've only seen one episode but mass claiming is probably not the best idea. Why did you suggest it?

The conversation between TierShift, Alchemist, dodgy56, and Aienen seems based on some meta reads?

I can see why scum would talk about another players scum meta if they were to set them up for a lynch but it seems a bit reaching?

hold up there yo, why those questions in that passive voice

scum are talking the talk
walking the walk

In post 133, Toon Fighter wrote:Am here now. Sorry for the lack of content these last few days but I have been very busy IRL and only now have time for this game. Expect post in the next couple hours

In post 134, This Christmas wrote:You on the clock, your move

(expired on 2015-02-24 22:08:52)

In post 140, This Christmas wrote:VOTE: Toon

your time has run out

In post 141, This Christmas wrote:VOTE: toon
VOTE: toon
VOTE: toon
VOTE: toon

turbo lynched

In post 146, Toon Fighter wrote:@This Christmas: Why did you vote me ?

In post 395, This Christmas wrote:what is up with wagons that aren't even possible being this close to deadline? that awakens the sleeping enthusiast in me

seriously!!!!

VOTE: Toon Fighter

and estival (the bad alt slipper who keeps posting as 'elusive') - seriously - is "revoting" tiershift when that still is L-3

Lynch -2

In post 414, This Christmas wrote:
In post 399, estival wrote:What is your case on TF? WHen looking at him in ISO he seems to be trying to make sense of things such as the TS\Anen\fight.

Why would he claim or slip his flavor as scum? What purpose does it serve?

i havent looked at what TF claimed, i assume its something flavor or info that you have that clears him apparently

i didnt read any slippage

In post 491, Toon Fighter wrote:@anen: TC slipped where or how? Town or scum? I didn't see anything but could read the ISO again

In post 633, This Christmas wrote:Town - arc, droog

Tiershift

Anen
Toon

Scum - shos, alchemist

In post 771, Toon Fighter wrote:I think scums are [Alch, TC]

shos · Post Post #793 (isolation #168) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:46 am

These two completely ignored each other the entire game. at some point a scumread emerges, even a vote, but with no explanation(even after 'prompted' by defendee) or anything with it at all, and of course it diminishes soon later.

shos · Post Post #794 (isolation #169) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:49 am

for your entertainment: double ISO:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=12422

Also one more thing I learn from being a good scum player: normal scum place their buddies evenly across reads - like if there's 3 buddies then 1 scum 1 null 1 town; it 2 then 1 scum 1 town; and if 1 - null, probably leaning scum. Just like TC did with TF.

TF was attacked, and TC attacked his attacker; TF said he was gonna post, TC gives him a timed countdown, TF posts, TC says time's up regardless and votes, TF asks why, conversation ends and everything is ignored until other votes override.

seriously read that spoiler lol

shos · Post Post #803 (isolation #170) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:04 am

Sooooo
I researched Anen and she does all that as both alignments. HOWEVER, I did find the thing that made me think she was town and I didn't tell you all about, and I need to check that out more to be 100%. I researched anen's last 8 games and was correct in 100% of the times.

In post 795, This Christmas wrote:I'm leaning Tier-Shos team taking control. And I don't have the IQ to understand what you mean by how I placed my reads or how I interacted with Toon Fighter

I did that all on instinct.

Would you please not insult us by saying "Im not smart enough for this game"? that's not an excuse, and this wasn't even complicated.

In post 796, This Christmas wrote:If I did a countdown, it was probably because toon was l -1 or refusing to claim at intent to hammer

READ THE GAME. he said he'll post in a couple of hours. you started a countdown of a couple of hours. he posted. you ignored that and voted him with no reasoning. he asked why. you didn't answer.

the end.

In post 798, TierShift wrote:TC, what do you think the scum plan was? Relentlessly bus to (almost) a lynch, then have my partner claim a strong PR? Later confirm him with a delay in the hope town can't meddle with it in any way?

Next to that, town would have a 1-shot tracker and a 1-shot commuter as only PR's, which is ridiculous from a balanve perspective.

So no, TC. Just no.

gonna lol at the 'scum plan' that TS presented

here it comes.

lol.

but the next thing he wrote is really good. with the current claims, 1s tracker and 1s commuter? no fucking way a town would be SO extremely underpowered.

This should practically make me and TS conftowns, I think. if TS is scum, I'm gonna be pissed endgame though.

shos · Post Post #805 (isolation #171) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:09 am

In post 800, This Christmas wrote:Scum haven't attempted to kill Shos apparently, and are making weird kills
That suggests experienced confident scum

droog kill, really? That is my rx

why would they?
as I have said, blocking a cop makes wifom and makes him lynchable, and it also 100% utilizes the roleblock ability.
killing the cop is ok, but that does not guarantee that the roleblock ability is used to its best ability, AND it doesn't generate the wifom discussion around the cop, which scum need and/or want to both 1) mislynch him and 2) have the spotlight off of them.

Droog was obvtown, nobody was scumreading him. which one would you have killed, eh? answer this please.

In post 801, This Christmas wrote:I don't know what the plan is. But scum are in total control. They are earning this win. I'm not doing enough. End of

THEN DO. OR REPLACE OUT.
you can't just stay and do nothing while stubbornly staying ingame, if you're town. It's not too late to replace out, there's still 2 scums out there and the game isn't long neough to be a pain in the ass to replace into.

shos · Post Post #809 (isolation #172) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:12 am

Well.

investigation shows that by mi soopir sikrit tell, Aneninen is actually scum.
..which means I'm going to have to go through ALL his games to make sure I'm correct.

pedit:
not insulting, but disrespectful. "you do shit while I rest here cuz you're smart" is dissing.

"you are trolling" is not scumreading someone, and even if comes with a vote, does not make it even 1% more likely to lynch him.

shos · Post Post #810 (isolation #173) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:12 am

I'll do that later though, I wanna read my HW at least, if not start doing them

shos · Post Post #813 (isolation #174) » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:33 am

I'm not. I'm asking him to actually do soemthing. he actively states he isn't going to do that.

shos · Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:25 pm

Looks like TC is going dpwn then lol

Ill explain the sikrit tell that makes anen scum later, when I actually cpnfirm it is true.
If unimtentional, taht is pretty screwed up though, lol!!!

shos · Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:17 pm

the tell is unrelated to the claim.

shos · Post Post #836 (isolation #177) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:35 am

In post 833, TierShift wrote:TC and Anen are scum, gg.
I'm just waiting for shos's tell and I'll give the scumteam 24 hours to defend themselves

sorta agree.

I wonder how many times I spoke about my secret read, and how many times people asked me to say it loud.

testing now.

shos · Post Post #839 (isolation #178) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:40 am

lol is that german?
google translate works..

shos · Post Post #840 (isolation #179) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:46 am

OH GOD NO

shos · Post Post #841 (isolation #180) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:52 am

So...In like 10 of anen's most recent games, he posted a picture of a pidgeon if and only if he was town. he didn't this game.

but it seems that there is at least one game in anen's meta from far longer ago in which he was scum and posted that picture.
this sucks.

shos · Post Post #842 (isolation #181) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:53 am

for the record, this is against site rules, so it's ok that it's not 100% lol

shos · Post Post #843 (isolation #182) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:34 am

Anen, explain to me please, what is the deal with the pidgeon? Why do/don't you post it?

shos · Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:35 am

dis shite be crazy
I have a pot o' gold in {TC, Anen, TF} and I dunno which one is town.

shos · Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:07 am

lolz

point for thought:
TC claimed jimmy-steve, claiming to have no knowledge of the flavor. and in the above VC, the mod uses the same naming for the character.
So I believe he is steve indeed. question is is he scum or town.

shame that we don't have dead scum yet; then we'll know what type of flavor they've got.

shos · Post Post #872 (isolation #185) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:17 pm

I am feeling like shit
I suck AtEs like tig ol' bitties

shos · Post Post #876 (isolation #186) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:10 am

In short - I don't see reasons to scumread him, I agree with him, and there are far too many others who are scummy for him to be scum too.

shos · Post Post #877 (isolation #187) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:10 am

add that to 'wasnt on the TS wagon that failed'

shos · Post Post #880 (isolation #188) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:11 am

In post 841, shos wrote:So...In like 10 of anen's most recent games, he posted a picture of a pidgeon if and only if he was town. he didn't this game.

but it seems that there is at least one game in anen's meta from far longer ago in which he was scum and posted that picture.
this sucks.

In post 843, shos wrote:Anen, explain to me please, what is the deal with the pidgeon? Why do/don't you post it?

shos · Post Post #885 (isolation #189) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:05 am

TC, what balance do you think the game has if me and TS are scum -_-;

has anyone seen s03e10 yet? HOLY SHIT, I'm like 90000% sure sammy is scum, damn it!

shos · Post Post #888 (isolation #190) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:13 am

TS, you promised me a supergood way of trusting you for this lylo

this is not it

shos · Post Post #897 (isolation #191) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:44 am

I have to say that TF is getting better lately and TC, Anen looks like a scumteam to me, but I still can't let go of the TF scumread and I'm a titbit too reluctant to vote anen.

TS, have you see TC-anen connections?

shos · Post Post #899 (isolation #192) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:56 am

That does not point why anen is more scummy than TC if anything, and also, his 477 is a good post for scum..

shos · Post Post #914 (isolation #193) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:40 am

Lol at ^^^

Im willing to vote anen.

shos · Post Post #925 (isolation #194) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:56 am

TF is town. 100% sure now. not lynching this.

shos · Post Post #926 (isolation #195) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:57 am

In post 921, Toon Fighter wrote:The final possibility, and I am not sure how likely this is, is if we have a 1-man mafia/SK. (Probably flavored to be Frank or something like that)

He would, in this scenario, be able to both block and kill. I don't know, I am just wildly speculating

if there's only 1, then giving him both block and kill the same night makes sense, but then tracker result would be....?

unlikely. but we shouldn't worry about this anyway because if this is the case then we are not in mylo and ahve tomorrow to think too.

In post 922, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 921, Toon Fighter wrote:The final possibility, and I am not sure how likely this is, is if we have a 1-man mafia/SK. (Probably flavored to be Frank or something like that)

He would, in this scenario, be able to both block and kill. I don't know, I am just wildly speculating

This is pretty outlandish. For one, SK's are specifically not supposed to have gun flavor, so just 1 SK and no scum makes the gunsmith role totally worthless in this setup. Also some people don't even consider 1 SK against a town to even be a mafia game.

this, too.

shos · Post Post #927 (isolation #196) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:59 am

Since there are no protective roles this game, I'd argue that commuter is anti-town actually, since it possibly prevents track/gunsmith/voyeur results.

shos · Post Post #928 (isolation #197) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:59 am

(and again, odd/even doesn't matter)

shos · Post Post #929 (isolation #198) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:01 am

In post 465, TierShift wrote:I have no idea what shos claimed but the surprise surprise I've been blocked makes me want to vote him

first post on D2.

close one, TS. close one.

VOTE: Tiershift

shos · Post Post #930 (isolation #199) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:03 am

In post 920, Toon Fighter wrote:
2) shos had already been blocked N1. Nothing had changed about that by N2. There were no more claims D2, only AA9 died, and she was a tracker. shos would very likely be blocked again or die that night. Why did you target shos again? What were you expecting to see? Wasn't he already conftown in your eyes by then? With AA9's tracker flip it was possible some other player had a similar 1-shot ability. Why didn't you target anyone else to confirm/catch someone contradicting themselves? These details of your claim don't fully convince me yet.

This is what made me read TS' posts that came after N1 and N2. right then, at D2, after he *received result* that I have been blocked and only that, he should have conftowned me. instead, he wrote the post I quoted above.

easy lynch today. Who's tomorrow?