Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[lufan131]

Hey everyone!

[lufan131]

VOTE: Seraphim
The triangles friends and family have spoken. Specifically a random one.

[lufan131]

VOTE: Glass
I like this idea, of what role

could

it be?

[lufan131]

The first one was using a randomizer, now, you've piqued my intrest.

[lufan131]

VOTE: Glass
I like this idea, of what role

could

it be?

The first one was using a randomizer, now, you've piqued my intrest.

What specifically piqued your interest? The argument didn't change since before your randomized vote.

Reading a few other posts, and then I put 2 and 6 together. After waiting, I myself got curious, then.

[lufan131]

@Elbirn
Do you subscribe to the idea submitted by farside in post 18? (ie. you find it suspect that mollie replaced out when she did).

If so, why do you think it is more likely that mollie would replace out as scum than as town?
Do you think Farside knows enough about Mollie to accurately deduce what would make her feel busy/overwhelmed?

@lufan
If it was Farside's post that piqued your interest, I would like your answers as well.

It was. He laid it out in an easier to understand way, and if both had the same reason, I decided to look.

[lufan131]

A. I don't have meta on the player. I do believe that a role that would be harder to play could be a reason they dropped.

B. I don't, however believe he knows, but he has a good point.

Others:
Yeah. Looked at the player list history to see when/if they dropped.

[lufan131]

Um

If there are 8 townies on a D1 mislynch, the sin counter going into D2 is 8, not 1.

Yeah, which isn't terrible unless they all die. Then we lose

[lufan131]

HB Sakura Hana!

I'm thinking since there can only be one true angel, the other so-called angel must be fallen. So...

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Because 9 is 6 upside down = obviously demon

^ The random vote in question was only on page 3, so RVS couldn't possibly have ended four pages ago..

lol. Good point, tho.

[lufan131]

Welcome!

[lufan131]

... I can't remember what I needed to quote that for. OH YEAH, another one mis-spelled my name, and that makes me sad.

[lufan131]

how is AA conftown?
did i miss something again?

Exactly. I want to know, too.

[lufan131]

^omg....you both.. He is just being adorable!!! (means not serious)!!!

Ahh.. That makes more sense! I was wondering. There is no mod confirm, after all.

[lufan131]

So "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't what to look for?

[lufan131]

Ahh.. looked up chainsaw. So it's the game variant of that proverb. I get it now. Yeah, an obvious chainsaw.

[lufan131]

I see why you were so bothered by my mentioning newbness.

That happened to me, except in reverse kinda often. It still does, but not as much. "He's too newb and lurks too much to be town" Within 4 minutes of day one sometimes.

[lufan131]

Why'd you back down here of all places?

Pretty much a reworded consensus of the setup spec so far.

@everyone not voting, how come?

Prior to this, she was just rattling off general strategy. "Why no lynch? No lynch doesn't help us." That wasn't acceptable. Gaiden was voting no lynch for a specific reason. Now that she took the time to say, "okay, I see why you are voting NL, let me disagree with that because of X", I'm better with her for now.

Additionally, if she would've dug her heels in and continued down the track of, "no lynch doesn't help us" without taking the time to see that this specific setup/mechanic constituted that vote, then I would've left my vote on her.

I'll VOTE: lufan131 though because I should have a vote down. I'm still a bit confused about what went through his mind during the mollie situation. If he wasn't aware that Glass replaced mollie, then why did he vote Glass to begin with? His Glass vote doesn't make sense to me in either case. The question in 22 goes out of it's way to be too cutesy, I guess. No idea what the implication is otherwise. Aside from that, the whole AA9 confirmed thing is a bit over-the-top.

Yeah, I wan't aware, until someone laid it out to me. I also tried to do that for emphasis, but I get how it seems cutesy.

[lufan131]

Until I read farside, and checked the player list. Then I figured it out, by checking dates. Once I knew, I voted. I waited until then, and a random vote had no purpose anyway.
(How many times will I have to say this...)

[lufan131]

UNVOTE: Glass
... If this vote causes me to say the same thing 9 times, I'm not gonna keep it.

[lufan131]

Every hour someone says "Why'd u vote glass? What do you mean you checked?"
I'm sick of answering it.

[lufan131]

Every hour someone says "Why'd u vote glass? What do you mean you checked?"
I'm sick of answering it.

But I dont understand why you having to answer caused you to unvote, did you having to answer it 9 times remove your scumread there?

Yeah, pretty much. If I kept thinking "Why" I realized I was going no-where.

did you even have a scumread there at all?

Slight one. Those posts pointed out a trend, that I went to check, and that looked like it made sense in a logical manner.

What are your current reads right now?

Sakura is townread, as well as equinox. Glass is on the fence, as well as Elbrin. Lala is null. AA is leaning to scum.

I answered in

Bold.

[lufan131]

Yeah, pretty much. If I kept thinking "Why" I realized I was going no-where.

How does having to answer 9 times remove your suspicion on a person? I kind of agree with Elbirn here about you trying to appease town.

Slight one. Those posts pointed out a trend, that I went to check, and that looked like it made sense in a logical manner.

So you went and meta dived mollie? Or did you just blindly trust what they said.

Sakura is townread, as well as equinox. Glass is on the fence, as well as Elbrin. Lala is null. AA is leaning to scum.

Can you explain Glass, Elbirn, lala and AA? Also if you have someone you're scumreading why aren't you voting anyone?

Answering 9 times means I thought 9 times, so I changed my mind after realizing that's not why, anymore. I did both, I blindly followed to start. I didn't meta her, but checked the player list pre game and at start, because I wanted to be sure they had weight. I didn't like AA's adorable comment, because that made her sound like she wasn't sure herself. Glass I followed the town. Elbrin I wasn't fond of his posts, but didn't know why. Lala I just haven't gotten decicive. Good point, why aren't I voting?

Vote:AAngel

[lufan131]

So "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't what to look for?

lufan, could you please elaborate a little on your intended meaning here?


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Which wasn't particularly strange, I don't think. Just a second vote for the same person.

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Ahh.. It's a proverb I'd heard of. It's apparently called the "Chainsaw" here. I didn't realize that's not something to look for a way to achieve by voting.

[lufan131]

So "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't what to look for?

lufan, could you please elaborate a little on your intended meaning here?

Ahh.. It's a proverb I'd heard of. It's apparently called the "Chainsaw" here. I didn't realize that's not something to look for a way to achieve by voting.

Yeah, I know the saying; I meant what did you mean by using it here - which players were you referring to?

Sakura made some comment about that, and I asked if that wasn't what to look for by doing. She replies it reeks of chainsaw, and I put 2 together, and added in the wiki.

[lufan131]

Sorry I haven't been in this thread. I have stuff IRL, and forgot this one yesterday. I'm gonna catch up.

[lufan131]

Everyone's starting to realize (skimmed, and already saw points by Equinox, sakura and farside) how scummy AA's play is yet we still can't seem to get a wagon going...

IKR... They've all said how much they dislike how they play, yet still won't do anything about it.

[lufan131]

@Elbirn
I see you promoting the lufan wagon, but what do you think about the AA wagon?

I found #225 interesting as well, though. Felt more like nitpicking than scum-hunting. But I'll let Glass respond to that himself.

I don't really have any response to Tere on that point. Someone else Tere knows does that as a scumtell, not much to respond to.

What would your thoughts be on a Glass or a massive wagon?

It's interesting that you group massive together with me (who you attempted to vote but instead just said my name). Do you have a scumread on massive as well?

@ABR
Since you said this:

I'm voting you because you're not even lifting a finger to gather more votes for who you supposedly think is scum. You don't care if you have more votes or not. That's what I find scummy. When I'm town, I'm negotiating, bargaining, threatening and goading people into voting who I want voted, early day or not. If I have to type out an extra post to get someone to my side, I'm happy to do it without question. I'll repeat my points if I have to if I think it will convince town to help vote out that person.

Why is lufan scum? Give me a reason and I might join the wagon.

I can answer why they think I'm scum... I was active and started lurking.

[lufan131]

Sorry I haven't been in this thread. I have stuff IRL, and forgot this one yesterday. I'm gonna catch up.

Did this not happen?
You didn't have any comments on all that's happened?

No, I didn't. All I read was stuff that made me want to vote AA again, but I already had.

[lufan131]

So... am I hammered or at L-1?

[lufan131]

So... am I hammered or at L-1?

I think you're at L2. Why are you giving up so early..?

I don't know how to get votes to leave me... So that's what I end up doing.

[lufan131]

I don't know how to get votes to leave me... So that's what I end up doing.

Giving up is not an option, mostly because I hate it when prey give up, makes them not taste as good.

Are you caught up in the thread? If not you have less than 2 days, go do that right now.

You said in post 533 that all you read made you want to lynch ArcAngel9. Why? What do you think of the wagon growing on you? What do you think about the fact that the wagon on ArcAngel9 has been dwindling? What do you think of the town reads of ArcAngel9?

Why did you ask if you were hammered?

Why? I thought I was at L-2 before I went to school. Two votes happened in that time. I want her lynched since she's not being cohesive, and prone to misinterpret things. Also her posts feel scummy, so also a gut read. I think that the wagon growing on me is misplaced, since I know I'm town. I'm sad it's dwindled, since I thought I had a chance to live day one. I don't care for the town reads, but they don't bother me too badly.

[lufan131]

I don't know how to get votes to leave me... So that's what I end up doing.

Giving up is not an option, mostly because I hate it when prey give up, makes them not taste as good.

Are you caught up in the thread? If not you have less than 2 days, go do that right now.

You said in post 533 that all you read made you want to lynch ArcAngel9. Why? What do you think of the wagon growing on you? What do you think about the fact that the wagon on ArcAngel9 has been dwindling? What do you think of the town reads of ArcAngel9?

Why did you ask if you were hammered?

Why? I thought I was at L-2 before I went to school. Two votes happened in that time. I want her lynched since she's not being cohesive, and prone to misinterpret things. Also her posts feel scummy, so also a gut read. I think that the wagon growing on me is misplaced, since I know I'm town. I'm sad it's dwindled, since I thought I had a chance to live day one. I don't care for the town reads, but they don't bother me too badly.

Which part of my posts are scummy lufan? Lets discuss please.

I wasn't a fan of the adorable comment, since you acted as if you were unsure of your alignment. Your arguments with katsuki went no-where, and I felt it wasn't productive, although I see how it can work, now. Some of your confusion sounded like you had a reason for your madness.

[lufan131]

^omg....you both.. He is just being adorable!!! (means not serious)!!!

This one is one that got to me, then later, that same tone that you weren't taking much seriously reappeared. Then, others arguments helped me also understand why. It boils down to gut though. I'm not 100% that you're confused, although your posts have confused me.

[lufan131]

I'll go on a limb, and say any lurker, and albert.

[lufan131]

I'll go on a limb, and say any lurker, and albert.

you should know that lurking is not scumtell. Most lousy townies lurk a lot.. And pointing to lurkers is scummy per this site meta.

IK, but the main reason I have a wagon on my head is turning in and out of being a lurker. I'm just making some sort of a guess, and one is likely, considering we've got what, 3-ish?

P-edit, albert's randomness. One of the lurkers, any one of them. IDC if you lynch them, though. Your quiz just made me wanna put something down, though, since I don't know the answer to that. I'm town since my rolecard said so, and that's why lol.

[lufan131]

lufan, you have nothing to lose at this point. Might as well be straight with us as to why you're scumreading ABR. You mentioned his randomness, a.k.a. fluff, which is a logically sound reason. What's the purpose behind it? Keep going and connect more dots.

I also get the active lurking out of him, where he seemed to do stuff for the reason of saying he can. Him going off on seemingly wild tangents, and I'm looking through his posts to see something that's not "fluffy", and I'm legit struggling here...

[lufan131]

Ok, since I've proven myself that albert is the better vote, here we go!
UNVOTE: AA
VOTE: Albert

[lufan131]

I don't see AA9 scum. At all. I'm not interested in Elbrin either.

AA9, would you rather a NL than lufan?

I don't want nolynch. Not at this stage.... Lynching someone gives more understanding about game than no-lynch. But lufan wagon is unfair especially when some players clearly said why they are voting him... Ask sakura and Equnox for this. They voted him becuz we are running out of time not because he is scum. How is this even fair?

OK, sakura also meta'd from my only game on site... I guess that wasn't fair, since I'd only played one game, anyway.

[lufan131]

Okay, wait, I'm not giving this mechanic enough thought. My kneejerk reaction was to treat it as though voting scum > no lynch > compromise lynch, but now I'm not so sure. If an Angel shoots someone with sin... that counts in the sin pool too, yeah?

Yeah, it does. Nothing says otherwise.

[lufan131]

so, we're going massive?

[lufan131]

I guess that was stupid...

[lufan131]

I'll be the crazy one, and wish for both...

[lufan131]

lufan, can you explain to me, in your own words, why 630 would appear very yucky to someone like Equinox or myself?

Because it was seeming like I wasn't keeping up. It also was me seemingly opprotunistic over the other wagon forming. I guess I should think before I act...

[lufan131]

This feels like a newbie game.

Actually, scratch that, reading through that 'what's your perfect partner talk' has me convinced this isn't even a game of mafia at all. Please don't make me read that anymore.

We have a vig for the lurkers.

The lufan wagon is like pulling teeth all of a sudden...

I mean I'm not completely sold on lufan scum and I've got preferred lynches. But massive? Came pretty much out of nowhere.

Lufan why did you ignore my post directed at you?

so, we're going massive?

No, that's not how this works. First you say you want to lynch Albert...and any of the lurkers? That's pretty vague. Like if you don't have scumreads just say that.

He doesn't want to commit. Unless it's okay and what everyone else is doing.

And as I said he's not trying to figure anything out as far as I can see..

@arcangel - Not gonna lie I'm sketched out on how sure you are that lufan is flipping town here. What exactly reads as town from him to you?

Why did I ignore? I missed it... I'm sorry.

[lufan131]

Am I reading the game? Yes and no. I'll look at your posts, then! You don't.. The game mentions 17, so it won't take long.

P-edit... Sick of waiting.

[lufan131]

One game... I'm trying to do better, but when my only game was as scum, what good is meta?

[lufan131]

I'm back lol...

[lufan131]

lufan, why didn't you vote for massive?

Because then they'd be like... WAGON, burn it! I'm better leaving my vote there, then

[lufan131]

GTG, will answer tomorrow..

[lufan131]

Equinox, who should I be voting for?

Vote for whomever your heart desires.

Because then they'd be like... WAGON, burn it! I'm better leaving my vote there, then

lufan131, what would you say are the differences between how you play town and how you play scum?

Don't talk about ongoing games -- I just want your mindset.

The differences? As scum I tend to either try to get other scum to help me, or I get ultra stupid so they can bus me and look town. As town, I play stupidly, I lurk regardless, and I tend to try to answer questions over figure out cases, since I realized I'm unsure what I thought. I also tend to let my mason buddies or scumbuddies coach what I say. As town and scum, I tend to say the wrong thing to answer questions. I also get called either "Slower than Christmas" Or "Like pulling teeth" a lot.

[lufan131]

You want me to troll? TROLOLOLOLO.
Lol, I guess I was late.

[lufan131]

^lynch it with fire

I regret not asking lufan131 to troll sooner.

I guess you should have.

[lufan131]

I bet just until I'm gone.

[lufan131]

lufan, do you have anything to say that might make us think you actually aren't scum?

Nah. The flip will let you know that it was wrong, though. I know I'm town, and if you don't believe me, it's your choice.

[lufan131]

Hey, tried to read yesterday and my brain just checked out.
I'd appriecate any views of what the latest is so I don't have to try and catch up in this game.

What is with the no lynch vote Tere?
Why is lul scum for those on the wagon?

A belief that my only other game constitutes my whole meta. Also my lurking, and stupidity/fluff.

[lufan131]

Nope, I guess not.

[lufan131]

Catch up note time.
See how much I can do before I have to start getting ready for work.

I don't know why Equinox vote lulu. It bugged me that he switched votes.

respond to questions from elb post 520.
One I can respond to is not town reading you earily equal scum. If your play is different and you don't come across as scum hunting I will read you as scum. That's as simple as it gets.
Fluffy questions asked will have to wait till I'm done catching up.
Someone kick me if I forget about it.

I see elb still pushing lulu but I don't recall why he was scum reading the spot, check on this later too.
I felt meh about lul's post quoted. Didn't feel fake but could be said from either alignment.

8 hours is plenty of time, right? Right? Yes? Okay, let's do this now.

Well since ABR is busing lufan might as well help him bus

Unvote
Vote: lufan

Not really willing to explain my meta read to Elbirn again, despite me pointing it out in several of my posts that happened after...

Wtf?!?
Where are you getting this from?
Never mind I read your next post, please ignore.

Is it me or is massive just responding to those who talk about him?

Lulu post 557 is awful. How new is he? Have you played mafia online before lulu?

And I need to go.
Stopped on page 24

Too new, but I have played some before. I played offsite for 3 games, took a 2-3 year break, and now I'm here.

[lufan131]

GG, erryone!

[lufan131]

Good luck to all of you!

[lufan131]

Well, still don't like AA or Albert, but I'll go with AA for now. VOTE: AA9

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[lufan131]

HOLIDAYS! I LOVE 'EM!

[lufan131]

YO LUFAN,

WHAT WAS WITH THAT SCUM CLAIM YESTERDAY AT L-1?

DID YOU THINK YOU WERE LYNCHED ALREADY?

Hmm? Like I said, I'm town. I thought I was lynched, so I gave everyone the typical "GG, good luck to all."

[lufan131]

ArcAngel9, you're drunk. Don't play Mafia right now. Go home; do not pass Go, and do not collect $200.

I agree with Sakura Hana, but unfortunately it is hard to tell what her motivation is given that alcohol is involved.

What a time to not be on a computer.

... Wait, so those posts about how much easier this game is while drunk are false?

[lufan131]

That's an odd play, although I think I tried it.

[lufan131]

I am not taking revenge. I am the victim and I am betrayed. So I don't care!!!

Somehow this game made me think of this song...

[youtube]https://youtu.be/1GVPeg6ZyS0?list=RD5PyYvLYWUQM[/youtube]

[lufan131]

So, lufan131, who do you think are the scum?

Personally? Perhaps lala(That was a fun holiday, but still :p ) or kat, still feeling albert is scum for having almost no content, and I wouldn't mind lynching AA9

[lufan131]

... First my youtube link, now my attempt to use an emote... I need to study those buttons more.

[lufan131]

So ABR, now that i got your reasoning for wagoning AA9, can you tell me your true reason for wagoning her?

Because there can only be one player as beautiful as you in this game, love.

Is it bad that this cracked me up?

[lufan131]

I think it's funny how everywhere I go, the shorthand of my username is lulu. I don't mind it, but it is a fun coincidence.

[lufan131]

... That's not a haiku. It's 5-5-3, not 5-7-5

[lufan131]

I guess. Although most of these jokes are lame.

[lufan131]

Welcome~

[lufan131]

Wow. That was disgusting. Sorry. Starting from that big, ugly quote box that was supposedly by lufan131, edit by way of post:

Personally? Perhaps lala(That was a fun holiday, but still :p ) or kat, still feeling albert is scum for having almost no content, and I wouldn't mind lynching AA9

To all of the above reads: Why?

What did you think of ArcAngel9's attempt to self-hammer?

So I take it I'm the only one who doesn't buy that emotional outburst?

Why? I'm aware that your opinion changed as of post 1225, but I want to know what your thinking was when you posted this.

Believe me, I know calculating.

[...]

I also love in this post he suggests that lalala could be scum strictly because Equinox and SH started batting around that idea a bit.

Well, of course

you

would.

As for the latter bit, I think you have me confused with farside22.

if that's the case, you should totally start a flash wagon on someone

Who the hell are you?

I don't know. I didn't like how AA was treated yesterday and I didn't like her reaction today, and it didn't feel right putting her out of the game with her in that state. (By the time I got in and would have voted, it was close to lynch.)

What didn't you like about ArcAngel9's reactions on Day 2?

Albert's too fluffy. Lala is a borderline, I'd found them scummy for a posting style, scum day, and some of their arguments don't make sense. Kat's a gut read. AA9 is playing awkwardly, self voting, and being somewhat stupid, and it reminds me of how I'd played as scum in the past.

[lufan131]

Albert's too fluffy. Lala is a borderline, I'd found them scummy for a posting style, scum day, and some of their arguments don't make sense. Kat's a gut read. AA9 is playing awkwardly, self voting, and being somewhat stupid, and it reminds me of how I'd played as scum in the past.

What do you think of the arguments that have been made that ArcAngel9 would have lynched herself if I hadn't unvoted in time?

What do you think of massive?

I bet she would have, because I see no reason that she lied. Massive? He could be scum, I mean he's not a town read to me.

[lufan131]

What I mean by that is that she wouldn't self vote for no reason, and that she really desired the lynch.

[lufan131]

Yay! I like cases. Then I can see others thought processes.

[lufan131]

Yay! I like cases. Then I can see others thought processes.

Again.. will you stop agreeing with others and rather build your own case? Which cases you're referring? Now that my wagon is over.. Are you planning on jumping over to farside wagon?

Actually, I'm not. I personally like farside.

[lufan131]

˙ʞɹoʍ ʎllɐǝɹ ʇ,usǝop ʇᴉ ʇnq 'ɐǝpᴉ pooƃ ɐ ǝq ʎlqɐqoɹd plnoʍ ɹoɹɹᴉɯ ɐ ʇɥƃnoɥʇ I

˙uʍo ɹᴉǝɥʇ oʇ ɥɔɐǝ ʇnq 'pɐǝɹ oʇ ɹǝᴉsɐǝ s,ʇᴉ ʞuᴉɥʇ ʎllɐuosɹǝd I ˙ʇxǝʇ uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ǝʇɐᴉɔǝɹddɐ ʇ,uop ǝldoǝd ǝɯos ʎlʇuǝɹɐdd∀

You should know that this post is against Fake God rules and repeated violations may lead to a mod kill? Stop the reverse text...

The following is a list of outlawed shenanigans:

Using invisible text, codes, cryptography, etc.

I hate the upside-down text. It's easy once you spend enough time on elgoog, or have trouble telling what way a letter is proper.

[lufan131]

Honestly, I don't wanna vote farside. I feel there are better canidates too.

[lufan131]

Honestly, I don't wanna vote farside. I feel there are better canidates too.

Who are those candidates? Don't tell me that it is me and albert because we both are town and you got a second chance to play this game, so what have you done with it? Please explain why exactly you don't want to vote farside. Have you gone through the Albert case on her? do you have a defense or opinion? You can't just say that you will avoid because you rolled a dice and decided not to.

I feel like she's town. I mean I don't feel that albert is 100% town, but lala and kat are better canidates that farside, since at least farside's attempting. I haven't read the case, but if it's powerful enough, I might be sold. A defense of my opinion? I don't have one. Dice? I use list randomizers, but that's not the point, and that's not why. I just know she's more likely to be town than a handful of other players.

[lufan131]

I'm scary?

[lufan131]

[youtube]AjbTHFJf6FE?[/youtube]

[lufan131]

I was gonna tell you to go google it. How does that tag work?

[lufan131]

... I answered in 1392...

[lufan131]

I'm afraid, since I know I'll be lynched soon enough, and that brings me closer to a loss.

[lufan131]

I'm afraid, since I know I'll be lynched soon enough, and that brings me closer to a loss.

Your vote is still on AA9. I have no idea how that isn't the definition of "not viable".

You should help get Katsuki lynched before he gets back and starts yelling to try and bring out his angry!town.

Ok. If that's such a good idea, I'll help. I hate the pokemon jynx anyway, so not seeing it would make me happy.

VOTE: Katsuki

[lufan131]

I'd rather lynch farside over Katsuki because I would like to believe that Katsuki-scum wouldn't resort to personal attacks of that level on AA in order just to hide as scum.

You'd like to believe that, yes.

Kill the cupcake.

see this.. massive now protecting his scum buddy. how evident.

Huh. I thought that was albert the first time I read it.

[lufan131]

I'm afraid, since I know I'll be lynched soon enough, and that brings me closer to a loss.

Your vote is still on AA9. I have no idea how that isn't the definition of "not viable".

You should help get Katsuki lynched before he gets back and starts yelling to try and bring out his angry!town.

He is not reading game, that is evident. So I don't expect anything from him. He is just a noob.

What I do like is the use of the word "cognizant" in this post. What I don't like is your certainty that Albuquerque is town. How can you possibly be 100% sure? Townspeople know nothing. You can't know for sure who's town and who's scum... Unless you're scum.

I've said previously where I started townreading ABR.

I like Elbirn's logic behind requesting the vig shot of lufan rather than us lynching him.

I'd rather lynch farside over Katsuki because I would like to believe that Katsuki-scum wouldn't resort to personal attacks of that level on AA in order just to hide as scum.

I'd also like to hear AA's case on me in her own words, without referring back to RedCoyote's ISO. Her own ISO contains 75 instances of her calling me scummy but none saying why.

Yes it's hyperbole. Probably not by much.

I just want to lol for this post.. what will you do if quote my post which explains why I think you're scum.

No, I'm not reading the whole thing. I read the last page before I leave, and then read a couple of the most recent when I get back.

[lufan131]

And pls stop abusing Jesus. I like Jesus.

He scares away the ghost-z-zizz when you call his name. 'cause ghost-z-zizz are devil spawn. I remember hearing that said somewhere.

[lufan131]

Woah. It's day already? I thought there was another hour.

[lufan131]

Is it possible for either to choose not to kill?

[lufan131]

I have a feeling the scum wants the angel to claim, they'll counterclaim and get the real one lynched. So, I guess i'll vote who I feel would benefit from that idea. VOTE: RedCoyote

[lufan131]

So, I guess i'll vote who I feel would benefit from that idea.

I know it's your MO to follow along with the crowd without any sort of independent thought of your own, but I have since retracted my earlier push for an angel claim. I hadn't really considered the fact that one of the groups may have deliberately not shot... so I kind of stuck my foot in my mouth in that regard. Glass is right. There isn't enough information yet to jump to any conclusions. Occum's Razor tells me that Kat dictated that the angel shoot AA9 and the scum shot the angel (hence no other kill), but I'm approaching the night from a mentality of what I would do as scum.

I understand that. I just feel there's no point in having the angel claim, and I get this idea that the scum wants them to, so one can get them lynched. You said this and it's started others thinking it's a good idea. Could they be your scumbuddies? I don't think it's for the best for anyone to know who they are.

[lufan131]

Actually, now that I am thinking about it. Angel shouldn't claim.

Actually, Angel

should

still claim, assuming they didn't actually kill AA9. Scum knows who they are and will likely keep blocking them now, and I'm really not in the mood to sit in the front seat today either.

Angel claiming and then getting lynched for it is literally the dumbest suggestion of "what could happen".

I'm not going to question that it COULD happen considering general town dysfunctionality lately, but if there's ever two Angel claims it should be really REALLY easy to sort them.

These show Cho is an advocate for them claiming, and my defense of don't claim for the scum is invalid.

[lufan131]

@Mod, I'd voted Red too.

[lufan131]

He's not supporting you, directly. He's supported your idea, so I find it possible.

[lufan131]

I seriously thought I spotted more. I just realized it was only the two of you, and one mentioned their desire twice.

[lufan131]

Ah, also by others I mean people other than you. I didn't realize another was the best term in that case.

[lufan131]

Instead of comparing to the population of people who have actually posted today, you look at everyone in the game and say "look, all these people who I think are scummy are attacking me!"

I just want it on record if I am lynched that every single person currently on my wagon was on the wrong side of my scumscale before today even started. Of course you're going to scoff at that, look where you are.

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I seriously thought I spotted more. I just realized it was only the two of you, and one mentioned their desire twice.

That's a flat out lie. You know, lufan, if you had the honesty to say something like, "I misspoke, RC. I retract that. I may have gotten a little carried away. Let me take the time to go back and make sure I'm reading the situation clearly lest I get swept up in a flash wagon and I vote you without considering the whole of this game," then I probably would've backed down. Instead you give me an excuse about how Cho seemed like "multiple people". You don't care to actually consider what was going through my head. You don't care to go back and make sure that you're actually being honest in your arguments (until I actually bug you on it over the course of several posts). You don't do these things because you're not a town player that's honestly trying to figure out the game. You're a scum player that sees an easy vote along with at least one buddy (likely Cho given how much you're ignoring her and how anxious she was to kill the wagon on you yesterday). Even when given every opportunity under the Sun to appear town, you somehow continue to find ways to show your true colors.

so, we're going massive?

You did it with Glass, you did it with ABR, you did it with AA9, you did it with Kat and now you are doing it with me. You haven't an honest bone in your body this game. You vote where you think the town wants you to vote, when you think the town wants you to vote that way.

If there's any sane, angel-loving person left in this town, they will vote you and we'll finally be rid of our first demon. If not, then God have mercy on all of us, and at least I'm going to heaven with my bro Kat.

VOTE: lufan131

If you lynch me, I'm sure you won't be going to heaven in this case.

[lufan131]

I thought there were more.

[lufan131]

I feel like I'm more of a kitsune, but whatever. The point remains I have more than one life.

[lufan131]

I feel like I'm more of a kitsune, but whatever. The point remains I have more than one life.

Why do you deserve multiple lives?

I'll be honest, I don't. The point is it's fun regardless.

[lufan131]

Any wagons I won't ride? I won't ride ones that fly, and am not too fond of rollercoaster cars. Oh, and a wagon on myself I don't feel like voting on.

[lufan131]

I'm not sure. I seem to be like that sometimes. Them qworstions and triangles must have done it to me.

[lufan131]

lufan, what in the Milky Way is a qworstion?

It's a question, except more qwor-like. It's like a gramnpage, or a hoist. Fun words you make up when your bored. You've never heard someone axe you a qworstion? I guess that's not the point, though.

[lufan131]

I heard someone say it, and it stuck. Now I prefer to say qworstion.

[lufan131]

... The tragedy is if they're a she? I thought it was that they were town, but I guess that's not quite it.

[lufan131]

Sakura's claim was last. You're making a good point!

VOTE: Massive

[lufan131]

Let's keep the momentum going. Once this game stalls, the majority of players will lose interest and let scum win.

I'm sure of that, since this pace where people respond is kinda nice. I'd be sad to lose it.

[lufan131]

aww. I prefer the many faces of sakura. Thems voices in mah head would be good, too. So would the ghost-z-zizz.

[lufan131]

Cake? Is it your birthday, lala?

[lufan131]

Sakura, I think I agree with your VCA.
VOTE: Elbrin

[lufan131]

>Says she's falling to apathy
>Makes a bunch of posts rambling
ok...

Anyway yeah, that's why i think Elbirn's scum.

You mean a blivet of fuckall?

Seriously I just got on a computer and am rereading, and I truly don't understand how you think you pulled anything alignment indicative out of that. You realize that if I get lynched the game is over. You're going to bet the game on this?

Elbirn: Playing a very passive game at D1 start, then latching onto lufan and doing... very little to push that as RC and Equinox were already pushing it.
His reason for joining AA9 wagon at D2 start sucked, also apparently he wanted another "accidental" hammer. 1225: Very silly way to explain why he didnt fell off the wagon sooner. 1290 is meh at best.
Also I remember he wanting to indict Gaiden on D4 due to my question as to why I got shot, then when i heavily townread Gaiden he suddenly dies? Gaiden wanted Elbirn dead at the end of D4 too...
His D3 still looks like busing to me...

Alright so that last bit was @ your "VCA". This is still pretty crap.

I pushed Lufan, a player who was pretty unanimously wanted dead, so that makes me scum because...? You're basically criticizing me for having a slow start on Day fucking one.
I don't understand your statement that I wanted another accidental hammer, i.e., when did an accidental hammer happen before, when did I state I wanted one, etc. etc. you're making shit up don't do that.
Don't understand your criticism of either 1225 or 1290.
I don't know what the "indict gaiden on D4" bit is.
Gaiden wanted me dead if Massive flipped scum, otherwise he wanted Lala, someone I was pushing. Sounds like if I were scum that would be a good reason to keep Gaiden alive.
I'm sorry I pointed out a scumslip and hammered said scum?

Sakura, I think I agree with your VCA.
VOTE: Elbrin

Lufan, explain why you agree with her VCA, unvote, or just claim scum. Because I refuse to believe you understood any of that.

If Lufan is town, scum is in a position to quickhammer me for the win.

Why? Because I'd like to believe most of the scum voted for me at one point, since a scum lead my wagon. I also think her pointing out how town voted is useful to find non-town. Is that not the point of VCA?

[lufan131]

Intent to Vote

Guys, can you all please quote this post and say who you intend to vote for instead of just quick voting which could result in catastrophe?

... The same guy I'm already voting now, Elbrin.

[lufan131]

Are Marquis and Cho the same person, just two personas?

[lufan131]

If at the end of the game, sakura is the last scum, I'll laugh. However, I trust them to be town. My reads are the same as lalala, except with ABR as scum.

[lufan131]

lalaladucks

Apr 17, 08:21am May 11, 08:32pm 0 days 0 hours 279

Sakura Hana

Apr 17, 05:06am May 11, 06:34pm 0 days 2 hours 426

Elbirn

Apr 17, 04:26am May 11, 02:05pm 0 days 6 hours 82

grapes

Apr 17, 11:58am May 11, 01:47pm 0 days 6 hours 49

Glass

Apr 17, 06:02am May 11, 10:53am 0 days 9 hours 70

Albert B. Rampage

Apr 17, 09:37am May 11, 10:00am 0 days 10 hours 198

Cho

Apr 28, 05:29am May 11, 08:34am 0 days 12 hours 124

lufan131

Apr 17, 04:07am May 11, 08:06am 0 days 12 hours 116

farside22

Apr 17, 04:37am May 10, 08:31pm 1 day 0 hours 93

[lufan131]

OK, here's the list

[lufan131]

Right, nice. Are pink and orange and brown equal in towniness/scumminess or is there a distinction?

I also see that you're the

TRIANGLE KING

- how's your involvement in the Illuminati going?

Yeah, I guess. I clicked random colors, since I couldn't decide on some. BTW, the triangles are OK. They've got wonderful plans ahead.

[lufan131]

Easiest catching up after school ever..

[lufan131]

Possibly... :O

[lufan131]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to rank them...
Sakura
All else townreads
All scumreads.

[lufan131]

Sakura Hana, SIN, SIN
lufan131, SIN, SIN
lalaladucks, SIN, SIN
farside22, SIN
Cho The Bulge Seraphim, SIN, SIN
Glass
grapes
Elbirn, SIN
Albert B. Rampage, SIN

... So what's the point in my second list? I just gave out the scum-reads, so I want to know what difference this new format makes.

[lufan131]

Woah. That was easy...

[lufan131]

I thought he was scum. I should've pushed ABR today instead!