FF7 Mafia (Game Over)

[Focus Beam]

vote: Focus Beam

Yup, we're totally scum again this time.

Varsoon might be our buddy, so might Jaquen.

VOTE: Jaquen

Varsoon, what do you think of Jaquen's awkward entry? Sal's not a fan due to Jaquen being passive upon entry and I'm worried that you're going to go all Professor Mafia on our asses.

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ika, come on. You're already trying, so odds are you're town.

~Titus

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Entry feels really blank, I'm all for a Jaqen wagon to end D1.
Let's choo choo.

Sal concurs.

@Frogging Mollie, which head cast that vote on us?

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the game has only been going for a second and I already want to lynch hawk boy and titus.

Wtf is a hawk boy? You also do remember the last time you wanted to lynch me Froggie?

It's a travesty I didn't role aeris.

Anyone want to buy a flower?

Also, there is a potential that there is more than two anti-town factions.

VOTE: psychlone

This gets an early slight townread for me.

Will read this Friday. There better not be 50 pages by then.

Good luck with that, buddy.

~Sally

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@FM, I request your attention to 44 FM.

@TA, Interesting. I was pretty sure all your posting was ika head so far.

[Focus Beam]

Entry feels really blank, I'm all for a Jaqen wagon to end D1.
Let's choo choo.

Sal concurs.

@Frogging Mollie, which head cast that vote on us?

I did.

and if you try to lynch jaqen before I have a chance to figure him out I will strangle you with your own intestines.

disclaimer: this is not a personal attack this is a direct threat to your health

Hmm, I'll guess this is Mollie. I don't think I've fooled Frogger as scum enough to drive him that crazy.

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erm. you have never fooled me actually

If that's the case, then your response is very melodramatic and over the top.

~Titus

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@ProHawk, No. Not really. Mollie's more reserved. I've never seen her come out and threaten so aggressively out of RVS. Most of the counterwagon to Jaquen is people who I've had severe baggage with, which is why I wanted to enquire further. Mollie shouldn't have such baggage with me if I haven't fooled her as scum. Frogger and I have played more on Skype mafia than completed games, so I know the hostility is unlikely fueled by that head. So is she legit pissed, or just drawing a reaction here?

~Titus

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Why do you call it a counterwagon?

I'm not surprised by Mollie.

Jaquen votes and votes on us came at the same time.

~Titus

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Titus becomes -really- obvious and easy to read after keeping around for a little while.

I'm fine without voting there for now. I like my Jaqen vote.

are you kidding me I had to pimp myself out in the hilariously unbalanced 2 game just to get her lynched. and she helped.

its better to sort them now rather than later

Screams of someone who is more scared of the slot then of someone who actually thinks the slot is scum.

~Sally

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Mollie, whats up with Jaqen that you dont want him voted anyways?

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So...who's this Sephiroth guy and why does he have such a hardon for Jenova?

I need to tell all of you that this post bugs me.

Do I need to tell you why?

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ZZZX:

Read me asap.

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Titus becomes -really- obvious and easy to read after keeping around for a little while.

I'm fine without voting there for now. I like my Jaqen vote.

are you kidding me I had to pimp myself out in the hilariously unbalanced 2 game just to get her lynched. and she helped.

its better to sort them now rather than later

Screams of someone who is more scared of the slot then of someone who actually thinks the slot is scum.

~Sally

are you fucking kidding me

plz tell me you are joking

I concur but I have a huge ego so :-p.

~Titus

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So...who's this Sephiroth guy and why does he have such a hardon for Jenova?

I need to tell all of you that this post bugs me.

Do I need to tell you why?

jesus christ

it is obvs that he was trolling. that you are trying to paint this as scummy is scummy as fuck in itself.

I was just sheeping ika when I voted you but good lord

Pretty damn obvious? You sure?

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Also ffs Matsin.

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@Mollie, Why would you sheep ika when you should know by now he votes me in every game Mollie?

~Titus

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@Flubber, I have an ego regardless of my alignment. I was joking about a true fact. Plus, I drew a cop PM as scum, and I deal with evil cops at work sometimes, so I was very excited. That was actually a cop crumb. LOLs.

@Mastina, I find it funny you quoted a Sal post and said that I look just like Titus scum in multiball.

~Titus

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I remember Mastina having a townread on someone that hadn't posted... but I can't remember what game that was...

~Titus

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@170 Mastina

Is there anyone else as certifiably insane as me?

No. I get policy RVSed every game. Solid no. I think I have that one.

~Titus

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Also, there is a potential that there is more than two anti-town factions.

The only actual game relevant information I've put into the thread, besides the fact that I'm town, but instead Prohawk et whover wants to dwell on a name joke and blame me.

You people are weird and are not buying flowers!!!

I have no scum meta!!! Why are you dwelling on me because that's weird and I'm about to name a scum team related to pro hawk!

How can you have joined in 2012 and have no scum meta?

~Titus

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Titus becomes -really- obvious and easy to read after keeping around for a little while.
I'm fine without voting there for now. I like my Jaqen vote.

I wanted to know your intentions in walling up against ProHawk. Right now it really seems to be stemming from a general sort of walliness/defensive nature that you have, but that's really null at best. I want to encourage you to stop responding to him, since you've made your points really clear. Encourage him to actually play the game too.

VOTE: Focus Beam
Why not?


@seiko: I actually got really aggravated by people scumreading me, so I tried to take a bit of a breather rather that shout at them. It's just annoying, because I know I'm town, and so when people scumread me real quick, it pisses me off, but it shouldn't, especially if I am not doing especially towny things. So I'm kinda like, "Well, I'll just accept it. If people want to be wrong, it's okay."

I think these speak for themselves. Varsoon should be wagoned post haste. I know Sal's going to read me the riot act for posting, but these posts together are horrendous.

~Titus

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VOTE: Varsoon

~Titus

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It makes me feel like an ass to say, and it's a hilariously stupid thing to say given that V is supporting the wagon I'm on, but...
...I still wanna say, "Well, at least we know which team V's

not

on."

I agree. He's not on the town team.

Are you?

~Titus

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He's not on the town team. Are you?
~Titus

Well, I get the distinct impression I'm not on your team (thus the vote), but that speaks more for

your

alignment than mine, given that I'm town.

And what actually gives you that impression? I had you down as a policy RVSer, like well pretty much everyone else on the wagon.

Varsoon's vote is shit, and you ought to know it's shit. The fact that you're not voting Varsoon sends off alarm bells to me.

~Titus

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Mastina, you're not this terrible. "Impressions" over a proven shitty vote?

Varsoon, you couldn't have waited 30 minutes before claiming scum. Jeezus.

~Titus

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Mastina, when I ask you why you're scumreading me, and you give me nothing but "Impressions" and "everything", that makes me feel it's impressions. If you actually have reasons for scumreading me, state them. Otherwise, vote Varsoon. I'm not going to be lynched based off "impressions". If I am mislynched, we're going to catch the scum as we do it.

Varsoon, you're going to have to deal with me tomorrow. I need some sleep and you need some rope. I love that you're blantantly trying to play to me to get a rise out of me by insulting me. No one here thinks I'm

bad

at this game, regardless of my alignment. I just tend to be a confident player and a threat to whoever doesn't have my wincon. I expected this type of scenario, but I also didn't expect to have a solid scumread by post 300 but now I have three (you, mastina, mollie).

~Titus

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Good morning.

Its cute that I called Varsoon out on is bullshit. I told Titus Varsoon would vote us despite him saying its a good idea to keep him. I guess Jaqen posted enough content to make himself look good again.

Anyways Froggie, when you get on, lets talk while the women are away, I need to pick your brain, as I think we can get actual shit done without Mollie/Titus bitching at each other.

Ill be back after work.

~Sally

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This may come as a surprise to you, Kaboose, but this game is multiball.

And?

You know what, fuck Matsina. I havent read all pages yet, but I caught eyes on the one where she called our wagon protown. You know, I havent seen a single reason for her vote other than scumgg. Last time I checked Matsin explains her reads, yet nothing on why. Mollie voted us for being a bitch or something, idfk. Idk about anti/ika either. Anyways, the rest of you are bw, which is cute. Ill be back later now.

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Anyways Froggie, when you get on, lets talk while the women are away, I need to pick your brain, as I think we can get actual shit done without Mollie/Titus bitching at each other.

ladies be cray.

I'd rather wagon Varsoon, but I don't think mollie wants to

Spoiler: Dragon to frog

Listen to me right now, because you arent going to fuck me like hardcore. Either you tell Mollie to stop being dumb and vote Varscum or when you lynch me and I flip planet you speedlynch Varscum. Seriously her only reason for vote on us is because she has a bond with Jaaq or some shit.

Jaq and Varsoon are most likely scum A (we will call that group meteor, as im thinking Jaq and varsoon are expecting to wifom us with Sepharoth town). Seriously look at the first two pages between Var and Jaq. Var noticed Jaq being cute with his seph soft and immediately claim that flavor isnt a scumclaim. Var keeeps his vote on Jaq until Jaq does something, then bandwagons us.

Im trying to read ZzZX and I think I may have him down soon. So far Im trying to figure out if his Fangirling over Seph is town or scum.

I have Aeris as town and Titus as Fubber as town.
I have Matsin for town, and Titus has Matsin scum.p
If I do end up speedlynched for dumbshit that NOONE HAS MENTIONED, I EXPECT YOU TO FOLLOW MY READS FROGGIE, AND NOT IGNORE THEM.

Also check out the bottom.

MATSIN

I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW YOU RUINED ME.

[Focus Beam]

Damn...

It's going to take me a while to digest..this..

I'm just kinda like a nobody here so digging through all this personal/game stuff and determining what is whci is seeming impossible atm,but I am trying. I'm not sure how many of these so far 330 posts are advancing the game,and how many of them are digs at others for past things compleley unrelated to this game. I'll try to put some rational and thoughtful stuff together,just much sifting to do.

Scorpious, there's plenty of reasons for you to sit back anyway. The job of conftown isn't to dominate the thread IMO. It's just to stop wagons that are obviously on town. Then, you're not as big a threat so we have conftown alive, and we're still not lynching town.

I see many pages while I sleep, yet no votes on Varsoon. No defense of the shitty vote. This should indicate to you that most of the votes on me are emotional, rather than logical. Shit happens. I'm used to it, but it's just annoying when "Random" vote stage always winds up on me because I'm good at scum and hard to lynch.

Mastina, you're literally making every mistake that you did in Signs and Void that allowed me to buddy up to you there. That's my issue with you. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't adapt between the two games. Sure, this time I'm voted rather than being the one buddying you, but you're still being terrible. Given the fact I'm not seeing that growth, and your vote sucks, I am thinking you're scum.

~Titus

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Spoiler: Dragon to frog

Listen to me right now, because you arent going to fuck me like hardcore. Either you tell Mollie to stop being dumb and vote Varscum or when you lynch me and I flip planet you speedlynch Varscum. Seriously her only reason for vote on us is because she has a bond with Jaaq or some shit.

Jaq and Varsoon are most likely scum A (we will call that group meteor, as im thinking Jaq and varsoon are expecting to wifom us with Sepharoth town). Seriously look at the first two pages between Var and Jaq. Var noticed Jaq being cute with his seph soft and immediately claim that flavor isnt a scumclaim. Var keeeps his vote on Jaq until Jaq does something, then bandwagons us.

Im trying to read ZzZX and I think I may have him down soon. So far Im trying to figure out if his Fangirling over Seph is town or scum.

I have Aeris as town and Titus as Fubber as town.
I have Matsin for town, and Titus has Matsin scum.p
If I do end up speedlynched for dumbshit that NOONE HAS MENTIONED, I EXPECT YOU TO FOLLOW MY READS FROGGIE, AND NOT IGNORE THEM.

Also check out the bottom.

MATSIN

I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW YOU RUINED ME.

Yo why the aggression in the spoiler Sal? I said I want Varsoon too.
S

Sal's not used to being wagoned by people for reputation purposes. So I get why he's upset. Literally any other player, these kinds of wagons don't happen to. Yet for me it's somehow ok. I'm still frustrated with it but I've moved past anger in the stages of grief.

~Titus

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Mollie/Frogger, can you stop this? I find it VERY difficult to determine which head is talking which makes it hard to distinguish whether dissonance is legit, whether a post is sarcastic or not, or anything else to read you. You know this from Survivor. So why the fuck are you still doing this?

~Titus

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Spoiler: Dragon to frog

Listen to me right now, because you arent going to fuck me like hardcore. Either you tell Mollie to stop being dumb and vote Varscum or when you lynch me and I flip planet you speedlynch Varscum. Seriously her only reason for vote on us is because she has a bond with Jaaq or some shit.

Jaq and Varsoon are most likely scum A (we will call that group meteor, as im thinking Jaq and varsoon are expecting to wifom us with Sepharoth town). Seriously look at the first two pages between Var and Jaq. Var noticed Jaq being cute with his seph soft and immediately claim that flavor isnt a scumclaim. Var keeeps his vote on Jaq until Jaq does something, then bandwagons us.

Im trying to read ZzZX and I think I may have him down soon. So far Im trying to figure out if his Fangirling over Seph is town or scum.

I have Aeris as town and Titus as Fubber as town.
I have Matsin for town, and Titus has Matsin scum.p
If I do end up speedlynched for dumbshit that NOONE HAS MENTIONED, I EXPECT YOU TO FOLLOW MY READS FROGGIE, AND NOT IGNORE THEM.

Also check out the bottom.

MATSIN

I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW YOU RUINED ME.

Yo why the aggression in the spoiler Sal? I said I want Varsoon too.
S

Sal's not used to being wagoned by people for reputation purposes. So I get why he's upset. Literally any other player, these kinds of wagons don't happen to. Yet for me it's somehow ok. I'm still frustrated with it but I've moved past anger in the stages of grief.

~Titus

wtf

nobody is wagoning you cos of your reputation. and my reason is not emotional, its cos I always think you are good lynch cos when you are town you wreck town and when you are scum you get passes cos every1 sees your town game as scummy so most pple town read you then ignore you.

^ has nothing to do with emotions and everything about setting up the game for a town win. i think you might be scum here and sally did not help with that misrep cos it looks like he is just trying to get under my skin for no other reason than to rattle me.

That's a load of shit. In the past 6, large themes all of my VCAs have been accurate. My behavioral reads have had some issue. Even in Survivor where I hard defended DGB scum, I had the VCA pool down to two people who could have cast that shitty vote. Guess what, NEITHER had town PMs (although Ank was a survivor).

To say that my town game sucks is absolute shit and just shows again that your vote isn't based in reason or logic, but based on perceived fear and policy lynching. That's bad. We should be SCUM hunting not voting based on policy.

~Titus

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I don't like how Focus complains about emotional actions and then proceeds to AtE.
Fresh is aight.
VOTE: Jaqen

Mollie/Frogger, can you stop this? I find it VERY difficult to determine which head is talking which makes it hard to distinguish whether dissonance is legit, whether a post is sarcastic or not, or anything else to read you. You know this from Survivor. So why the fuck are you still doing this?

~Titus

this is bullshit pure and utter bullshit

you did this exact same thing in hu2 THIS VERY SAME THING

even if you are town I will not mourn your lynch cos since you brought up survivor did you notice how we won the game by lynching remaining scum consecutively after we lynched you cos you wld not stop derping on town? BY ALL MEANS LETS BRING UP THAT GAME

Exciting!

I'm complaining about people playing with emotions. Being frustrated and highlighting that out is NOT an appeal to emotion.

~Titus

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Mollie/Frogger, can you stop this? I find it VERY difficult to determine which head is talking which makes it hard to distinguish whether dissonance is legit, whether a post is sarcastic or not, or anything else to read you. You know this from Survivor. So why the fuck are you still doing this?

~Titus

this is bullshit pure and utter bullshit

you did this exact same thing in hu2 THIS VERY SAME THING

even if you are town I will not mourn your lynch cos since you brought up survivor did you notice how we won the game by lynching remaining scum consecutively after we lynched you cos you wld not stop derping on town? BY ALL MEANS LETS BRING UP THAT GAME

Oh bullshit. You lynched PerV, who I told you was town. You guys went through a lot of shitty lynches that game. Even then, the lynching me and THEN lynching scum thing isn't the first time that happens. It happens over and over again. Pathfinder, lynched Day 1, then scum get lynched.

As for HU2, yes, I still needed to determine if you were town there. Just like I do here. Knowing which head is talking is important. That's kinda confirmed regardless of my alignment that I need to read you. So why the fuck are you giving me a hard time about it?

I'm a mislynch that's difficult, and I own it. Once I'm mislynched, then town start getting their act in gear. Forgive me for not wanting the mislynch me first but actually be read and get votes on scum.

Yes, these votes are emotional and not based in reason. You're saying it yourself that it's a policy lynch.

Make a case I'm scum, or actually scumhunt. This is why I have an issue with you. You came into the game stating "I'm going to lynch Titus". That's not fair to me and it's REALLY not fair to Sal.

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@Singer

Because Varsoon said Titus becomes super easy to read after having around a little while, then his vote didn't appear as if he was reading her. It was just wagon building (his comment was "why not").

Like, if he wants to read her, then he should read her. But don't just plop down a why not vote when you say you want to keep her around for your ability to read her later.

This so much this. Please don't go Frogger.

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@Singer

Because Varsoon said Titus becomes super easy to read after having around a little while, then his vote didn't appear as if he was reading her. It was just wagon building (his comment was "why not").

Like, if he wants to read her, then he should read her. But don't just plop down a why not vote when you say you want to keep her around for your ability to read her later.

Ok. I also think that people's ability to read Titus is objectively wrong. I haven't seen or heard about a scum game with her yet where people haven't been tricked or fooled into "Titusscum."

If a wagon got big enough on someone I had originally waited to read, though, I'd probably join it. Not gunna lie.

At least you're owning that it's a policy vote...

Now, if you think everyone can't read me right, why don't you take a shot at it?

~Titus

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If thats the notty head, Im nost surprised.
If thats the Pie head, ???

Also damn Titus's ego. Im phone posting, but anyways Ive been strung up for dumb shit before. See Hardcore Mafia.

Also, look at our wagon. Who there has said why we are scum?

Answer? None.

Frogger tell mollie to stop being paranoid.

~Sally

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VOTE: focus beam

the game has only been going for a second and I already want to lynch hawk boy and titus.

How much Gil?

Anyway, I'm cool with where I am~
I want Jaqen to get back to me.

I will give you 1,000 gil and a mana sphere plus 2x remedy if you vote titus

LOOK AT ME IMMA TOWNIE VOTING SCUM FOR REASONS THAT ARENT IMPORTANT JAQ IS MY BUDDY AND I LOVE HIM. FUCK TITUS I WONT LET HER LIVE PAST DAY 1 BECAUSE I DONT THINK I CAN HANDLE HER LATE GAME

[Focus Beam]

^~Sally

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@Frogging,

No. You were scumread based on behavior. My VCA landed on DGB and Ank. I was really confident the scums were you and Brian after you trashed my VCA you knew had never been wrong. You do this. You act as if my scum game is the best ever (and even it isn't perfect as Singer will attest). You're trying to dress up your thoughts on policy lynching me as strategy but it's not strategy when you don't bother reading me at all. Period. You and I both know that Varsoon vote is shit. Either, he's going to read me, or he's not.

@Singer, you scumread me from day 1 in Signs and Void. I tried to get you lynched because you were being pretty scummy in how you went about it (scumreading me but wanting to push elsewhere) and I was attempting to take advantage. So I am hoping you can actually townread me as town. So why not take a look and tell me what you see? Actually analyze our slot please.

~Titus

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Sal, can you get on Skype babe?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Give me 20 minutes dear.

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@Singer, Because no one on my wagon is actually reading me and I want to see if you can read me when I have a town PM.

@Mollie, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6650920

There you go.

My VCA I wanted Ank, TWIE and DGB in various concotions when I was sure about it. Who was not-town, Ank TWIE and DGB.

Of course, even if we suppose that Survivor's wrong, there's a stack of 5 other games where I'm right and Survivor had a wonky voting mechanic that's not present here.

~Titus

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also i am unvoting titus to give us room in case i am misinterpreting some things.

I don't have a game where she did awsum vca to link to

eta: the next person who ninjas me draws back a bloody nub
eta2:

kaboose has lost a hand

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkabahn (you were in this one I believe)
Revolution Mafia
Knight Errant 2
InuYasha
Uncouth mafia

There you go Mollie.

~Titus

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@Frogging

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6650920

For some reason URL tag is not working. That's post 1303 in Survivor.

~Titus

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She would.

Singer's right here, I would do that as scum, but I avoid doing the VCA as scum as long as possible. See Hu2.

A VCA where I'm looking for myself will have some deficiencies that are hard to hide, so I avoid doing it as long as possible. Yet, I have to defend the method because I'd do that as town.

~Titus

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@Frogging

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6650920

For some reason URL tag is not working. That's post 1303 in Survivor.

~Titus

I am nt saying that you can't sometimes get it right but what I am saying is that you wound up with brian and I as scum when we were town in your final throes of death.

like I

want

to believe you are town and I am starting to lean in that direction cos I don't think you wld feel like you wld have to go to these lengths as scum to prove the veracity of your vca.

I agree and those reads weren't based on VCA. Since then, I've learned to never ignore the VCA. Ever. No matter how scummy or pain in the ass some players can be. I read you and Brian as scum based on behavior. I am not the best when it comes to behavior.

Even in those games, you should largely see a pattern. Except for Knight Errant and Survivor, the games where I had the accurate VCA, I kept wanting to lynch town within the pool. It happens. That's why I don't trust behavior over votes. Day 1 has no flips, which is why I hate day 1 while in it. It's the most useful day in the late game, but I hate posting in it.

~Titus

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Feysal, While town may change their votes freely, they don't contradict themselves as they do it. I think you have FSS and Varsoon backwards.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Spoiler: Jaqen post 237

VOTE: Jaquen

No speech imped?

Bulba, you should know better than to ask that...

@ jaqen

a lady requests attention

If you guys really want that, then fine, say so. But, know this-playing that way has started to effect my irl as I'm thinking, and by way of talking, in the second person at times now. Just the other day my boss asked me something and I was like, "A man is...." And my boss was like"Have you been getting enough sleep Wayne?" And with my wife, she just rolls her eyes and giggles and is like, "You're doing it again babe". I was kinda wanting a break from it.

To all who don't know- I work a fixed schedule of 3pm to midnight weekdays and some weekends. Expect most of my posting to be that of someone living in Australia because that's roughly the schedule I keep.

Also, there is a potential that there is more than two anti-town factions.

You're either reading Bork's mind or the public info he's already provided. One or the other

All right I misspoke. It's depressing that I didn't role Aeris. It would be a downright travesty if I also roled scum.

Luckily random.org is not a horrible god.

Umm..

VOTE: Aeris

Entry feels really blank, I'm all for a Jaqen wagon to end D1.
Let's choo choo.

Really?

Really

?! Whatevs.

townblock: foggin mollie, pie+ns hydra, gif, us

scum block: beam, hawk, varsoon, aries

I also agree with antis vote placement and endorse it

Yeah- way too early for that shtick. Forced townblocks early=good chance of scumbutt

How much Gil?

Anyway, I'm cool with where I am~
I want Jaqen to get back to me.

About?

Why did you skirt my question? Both actually.

Why did you ask if I had played the game? If it had nothing to do with characters, I apologize for making an ass out of you and me.

Have you played a game as scum?

I don't give one crap about your name, or its relevance to this game, or the fact that you are sad you didn't roll her.

This and the fumbling for words.

So...who's this Sephiroth guy and why does he have such a hardon for Jenova?

I need to tell all of you that this post bugs me.

Do I need to tell you why?

Yeah, you do.

Aeris, let me get right down to the point.

I want to see how you act as scum. I went to check your games, you have surprisingly little, and all of them you were town. I don't like your assertion that you hate playing scum, to the point of stating it in thread multiple times. THAT is what I had issue with. Your name, or your joke had nothing to do with anything.

But all of that had to do with my name.

You made the claim that I asserted something I didn't.

I only made the assertion that I didn't like playing scum once when you claimed I made an implication about the good guys. But seriously did you not see that aeris is the damn IC? I mean did you not?

YOU asked me questions, to which I responded.

You are focusing on jokes about my name and about me once, at the time that you asked me to clarify something I think should be super duper triple infant easy to understand if you'd played the game.

I don't get why you're focusing on me, and I think it's kinda weird and makes me think that you could be on a scum team with a select group of people.

But, I ask you again, why are you focusing on me and a joke about my name, and not the actual game-relevant information I've put into the thread? Because that is what is really really weird.

And, if you're going to continue to be creepy stalker, will you at least buy a damn flower? I live in the slums for the planet's sake, the least you could do is help to support my community.

None of that answers the questions. Try again.

If you buy a flower, I'll give you a kiss on the cheek!

pedit: omg, yes and a kiss on the cheek.

Hooker!

Know what?

It's been ages since I've done this.

Let's do a full readslist!

1. Aeris
^Town.

2. Bulbazak
^Bulbazak is so town that every time someone votes him, borkjerfkin coughs up blood.

3. CB
^Town.

4. Feysal
^Town.

5. Flubbernugget
^Let's say scum for the heck of it.

6. Focus Beam (Titus + Salamence20)
^Scum.

7. free stool sample
^Town.

8. Fresh
^Scum.

9. Frogging Mollie (pirate mollie + Fro99er)
^Town.

10. hiplop
^Town.

11. Jaqen Hghar
^Actually, how about saying scum? Eh, might as well.

12. Kaboose
^I'm gonna go with town.

14. Prohawk
^Scum.

15. Psychlone (Nachomamma8 + GuyInFreezer)
^Always scum. (But I guess GiF, so town unless with Antagonist?)

16. Saint
^Town.

18. Seiko x Naomi (pieguyn + notscience)
^

So

scum that are feeling bad about fooling me. (Town.)

19. singersigner
^Don't have a read here.

20. The Antagonist (Antihero + ika)
^Scum who is helping the town. So honorary town!

21. TheIrishPope
^Town.

22. Varsoon
^Scum.

23. ZZZX
^Maybe scum?

There!

uh-huh...

@170 Mastina

Is there anyone else as certifiably insane as me?

No. I get policy RVSed every game. Solid no. I think I have that one.

~Titus

Nobody??

Also, there is a potential that there is more than two anti-town factions.

The only actual game relevant information I've put into the thread...

And the fact that you are pointing out that

you

said this when it is clearly public knowledge like "oh, I must be town because I didn't even read the set up" smells of dung. Reeks even.

I have no scum meta!!! Why are you dwelling on me because that's weird and I'm about to name a scum team related to pro hawk!

and yet you hate playing scum. right.

Because one/both of them are scum?

"My buddy and me!..." How far would you say the mighty have fallen if you're buddying up to other scum, Mastin?

Isn't anyone wondering why I think there's more than two scum factions, because oh the ancients.

There's this thing again...

aeris looks town

How and where?

Cloud: Gee, Aeris, you mentioned that you thought there might be more than two anti-town factions, why is that?

Me: Awe cloud, it's nice for you to pay attention to me. Will you buy a flower?

Cloud: I'd love too!

Me: *kisses cloud on cheek* ~huge affection boost~

Cloud: Now will you tell me why you think there's more than two anti-town factions?

Me: Gee Cloud, I'm so glad you didn't get caught up with the jokes about my name. One of my abilities suggests more than two factions though I guess it could be the mod being vague, but wouldn't it be weird for him to suggest in the ability that there could be more than two?

Cloud: Oh so that's what you've been talking about since your first post. Got it.

Me: So glad you actually paid attention to what I was writing when noone else would *swoon*

So if there was any doubt about the "Please pay special attention to me!" thing...

Yeah.

There's a good probability 2+ (the + because Multiball and one scum team not knowing what the other is doing) scum in Varsoon, ZZZX, Focus Beam, Pro Hawk, Mastin. my question was intentional. In fact, it was planned since I signed up for this game. Well one of two anyhow. The plan was to throw myself out as bait and see who decided to take a taste of mislynch bait. I mean really- who doesn't know Sephiroth is like evil incarnate and Jenova is his mother, so to speak.

I don't think PH belongs there though, given he's saying his vote was random and didn't even try to push it. He would have as scum in my experience. So, let's sort the others?

You spend almost half your post implying you think Aeris is full of shit (i.e. scum) yet you don't put him in your list of scum reads at the bottom? You even go so far as to say there are

two

scum in that group of people?

Scratch that, I just realized you were referring to people specifically jumping on you for your question. So...your plan was to...purposely look scummy to catch all of teh scumz?! Tell me more oh great paragon of mafia hunters!

And I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever so o/

Well, let's look at what I set out to do and how that went...

1. Abruptly end the uselessness of RVS and start meaningful discussion. Yep, did that.

2. Draw out those not expecting someone to make a legit play on page freaking one with votes/other flaky suspicion. Yep, did that.

3. Analyze for unsuspecting scum since multiball and scum teams all knowing I'm not on their team are going to be inclined to vote someone crumbing the most obvious baddie in the game to make themselves look good. Yeah, trying to do that and meeting resistance from derpnuggets who are capable of reading only words, not the meaning behind those words.

My plan was 100% successful on the first two parts, and likely on the third. So, how about we analyze a legit play instead of a bunch of finger pointing banter that usually leads to nowhere?

So this post leaves us divided.

Titus loves it, I have my doubts.

Regardless, the question is why Aeris over your actual scumreads (us, Varsoon, Matsina)

[Focus Beam]

aeris=etl alt?

If it is, I claim Bulletproof Doc.

HEY TITUS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR HYDRA DISSONANCE?

Oh, Im sure we will be at each others heads later on.

@TA, Interesting. I was pretty sure all your posting was ika head so far.

good eye, that's because it was

#trolled

my rvs bet
would've
been

prohawk

So this is why people love/hate ika. I get it.

[Focus Beam]

Why is focus wagon a thing

/truth time

haven't read a single post of theirs

Lets be real, even if Titus was mod confirmed town you would have still called us scum :p

[Focus Beam]

So this is why people love/hate ika. I get it.

HEY TITUS, I'M ANTI.

HEY ANTI, I'M SAL.

[Focus Beam]

@CB, Can you place a vote please? That would really help me read you.

Also, the gambit thing is legit IMO. I'll explain in a little while, just doing so would break a few rules if I did now.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I've never played a role that was known to everyone. Does anyone have any input on how I should attack this?

since you're confirmed, people are going to expect for you to be a leader.

Play as you normally would is about all I can say.

I have some of my own ideas for how to read people and how they interact with you, but that's not something I want to broadcast and would rather watch how it develops naturally.

I am jealous you roled me though!

I agree with the expectation, but that's not how conftown should play. If their reads are right, they are more likely than not dead. A conftown should lead from the rear, merely vetoing bad lynches rather than pushing lynches.

I would like to see him vote because it would help my VCA though, but that's more of a personal preference.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Scorp, there's a certain reckless abandon you can have when being confirmed town. For instance, see Jesus Christ Mafia. Professor Maniac there had your role (or part of it) but could choose how to reveal it. We could troll and play with a reckless disregard for what anyone thought because we were town.

The way I'd do it if solo, like yourself, is just press people on logic. If someone has bad logic, highlight it and try to get a response. If someone has good logic, engage it and flesh it out.

What do you think of my thoughts in 213?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Anyways Froggie, when you get on, lets talk while the women are away, I need to pick your brain, as I think we can get actual shit done without Mollie/Titus bitching at each other.

Ill be back after work.

~Sally

This is the kinda thing that is completely unproductive and does nothing for the game as well as diminishing the contribution/value of both of your partners. It already creates an unpleasant atmosphere and makes it even more difficult for you guys to work together. Did you think that frogger was going to hand you a cigar and talk over scotch about the impossible nature of bitching women?

Sure, mollie and titus might fight with each other, but what makes you think that "actual shit" doesn't get done even if they do? And what makes you think that you guys would be able to do any better.

Did you know that the word hysterical comes from the Greek word for uterus? In ancient Greece, they had a theory that women acted "irrational" because their uterus got dry and in an effort to find moisture would travel around their bodies in a what is known as the wandering womb. As the womb wandered looking for moisture, women would act crazy, or bitchy or irrational and the prescription for this behavior was to have sex because that kept the womb in place and moisturized and therefore women would act more normal.

Anyway that's just an aside, but it's a long standing example of people diminishing what we have to say because it's bitching or irrational. It never helps anything and ends up causing more frustrations and problems than anything else.

Maybe you just wanted to work with frogger and that's cool, but you didn't need to put down both of your heads in the process. Maybe you didn't even mean it the way it came across, but that's how it did.

Was totally having that as a private conversation but thanks...

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Really Varsoon, rolefishing based on the possibility of a Janitor? First you drop traitor and now you're hinting at Janitor? And you're trying to have Aeris fullclaim?

While I find Aeris isn't exactly the towniest of slots, that's just ridiculous.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Off the top of my head, thinking of different groups:
The Planet (Confirmed)
ShinRa (Turks, Rufus, etc.)
Weapons (Technically Planet-aligned anyway)
Hojo (Likely third party?)
Sephiroth & Jenova (Makes sense as an anti-Planet group)
AVALANCHE (If Bork really wanted to make the flavor interact in absurd ways)
So on and so forth.
There are so many amalgamations of what could make up which factions that there's no use in use wasting a ton of time talking about it.

Let's just play the game at hand and not get caught up in flavor, flavor-speculation, debating sexism, etc.
That'd be really great.
That's what I'm trying to do.

P-EDIT:
Focusbeam would come into thread to talk mad shit at me for wanting town to have info. Mudsling and tunnel harder, scumshit.

Bork's smart enough about his flavor that we shouldn't discuss flavor at all. It's a distraction and may even be a detriment as scum is likely to benefit more than town.
For instance, in Xenogears Mafia, the main character was a scum traitor.

Let's just play the game at hand first and foremost.

Lets not talk about flavor.

Meanwhile, heres the possible scumteams I may or may not be on.

Also Titusala is scum. Moving on.

~Sala

[Focus Beam]

Hello Varsoon,

Never seen you pissed before, annd you have been in tight spots.

You said it yourself, why would we talk about flavor when Bork is known to fuck people with it. Why are you fishing? Why are you scum?

Also, hahahaha AtE anger me some more.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

I think Sal and I speak together and wonder why you're being so pissed because we suspect you. You're acting like we're the only players in the game, and focusing on discrediting us. I also find it interesting you're "hand waiving" us highlighting your contradictions as tunneling.

We can be chill. You just have to realize that we're scumreading you. There's no reason that should get you that riled up.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Two or more factions was confirmed by the mod before we started. Aeris's claim right now actually says nothing of value at all. Her PM says that there may exist more, but again, that's confirmed by the mod in the first post.

Having Aeris elaborate just tells scum whether or not they need to kill her. Having mystery is better right now by far.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Right. Mod confirmed at least two factions. The mod used variables, which suggests the possibility of more than 2. Hence, Aeris's claim says nothing and your post to get her to elaborate makes no sense.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Varsoon,

At least "n" factions, with "m" having more than 1 player.

That suggests n =/= m, so at least three factions can be deduced from the mod's own claims.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

15 will be out soonish. There is a demo out for it.

Mollie, what are your Jaquen, Varsoon, and Aeris reads?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

What reads do you and Frogger agree on Mollie?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Varsoon,

At least "n" factions, with "m" having more than 1 player.

That suggests n =/= m, so at least three factions can be deduced from the mod's own claims.

~Titus

M can equal one

It can be. And that's all Aeris's claim says to, which makes it really odd for someone to want elaboration. If M is one then we have 1 large scumteam and one serial killer. In fact, if N =/= M we have a serial killer.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I've never played a role that was known to everyone. Does anyone have any input on how I should attack this?

since you're confirmed, people are going to expect for you to be a leader.

Play as you normally would is about all I can say.

I have some of my own ideas for how to read people and how they interact with you, but that's not something I want to broadcast and would rather watch how it develops naturally.

I am jealous you roled me though!

I agree with the expectation, but that's not how conftown should play. If their reads are right, they are more likely than not dead. A conftown should lead from the rear, merely vetoing bad lynches rather than pushing lynches.

I would like to see him vote because it would help my VCA though, but that's more of a personal preference.

~Titus

How. At this point. Is that gonna help you with anything? Oh god of VCARD prior to D3 doesn't mean shit?

You can't do a VCA on day 1 due to lack of flips. Day 1 is usually the most useful for determining alignments. You just don't look at it day 1.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Which games were these again?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Jaquen, that took me like five times to understand your post.

Scum can always create divisions. We don't lynch people for scum trying to create drama around them. Who do you think is trying to create drama around Aeris?

P-edit: Step one to me in any vote count analysis is coloring in all the known flips. Certainly we can say a vote or two is bad in context, but that's not a VCA. So I really don't remember as I don't consider anything done on day 1 VCA. I recall Walking Dead now. I'm not saying you weren't right there (I can't remember your scumreads TBH), but that's not a VCA. Rather than quibble on the terms, what does your analysis tell you and why?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Why is focus wagon a thing

@ProHawk, No. Not really. Mollie's more reserved. I've never seen her come out and threaten so aggressively out of RVS. Most of the counterwagon to Jaquen is people who I've had severe baggage with, which is why I wanted to enquire further. Mollie shouldn't have such baggage with me if I haven't fooled her as scum. Frogger and I have played more on Skype mafia than completed games, so I know the hostility is unlikely fueled by that head. So is she legit pissed, or just drawing a reaction here?

~Titus

Vote: Focus Beam

I'm not sure I need to read any further, but will do so anyways.

Ummmmm.

Delayed reaction much?

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

So the sala head will be getting drunk tonight so expect more Titus, obviously. Anyways I want to talk about stuff because I got time.

I have little to no experience with multiball, so Im not 100% to play this. Ive been just playing it as Titus and I see it. We havent talked about multiball when it comes to finding scum yet, as we are town and do not care which scum we hit as scum are scum. I do think Varsoon is going to flip Scum A, and I think Jaq is on his team. I want to put zzzx as a possibility for scum A as well. Zzzx is going to lurk I predict or not read much of the thread. I wish he would interact with me, because I would have a perfect read on him. The thing is, if he ignores me I think he is scum, but he wasnt here when Titus and I were wagoned. I need him to do something! If he lurks around when he gets back today/tomorrow, hes a good D2 lynch.

Matsin annoys me. Im not sure of her 558 (I have reason to lynch sala/Titus) because she says that if Titus was scum, Matsin would keep her around. We both want some explanations on that. Anyways, shes playing this game like she did in that Spy game Dram hosted last year when Zzzx/I hydraed, so I kinda townread her.

Im not going to bother reading the NS and Nacho hydras because I suck at those guys, and have no familiar games with Pie and GiF. Ill sheep titus on that. Im going to follow titus on singer and mollie too. I cant tell whos posting in the Antika hydra, but I think its town. Im townreading Aeris still, not as much as I was earlier, but I think its trolltown.

Lastly, something important I want to get out there, if we were being wagoned and I started bitching about it like Varsoon is now, Varsoon would never unvote, he would call it fake and fabricated and he would scream for our lynch. So fuck off trying to rage yourself out of it. Im not buying it, and if it was the other way around, you would do the same. Calling your play scummy but excusable is bullshit as well.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

I think it might be irresponsible as well to ignore some of the lesser active people/teams here.. In a game this large with so much fluff being thrown around,it would be easy to hide for days(gamedays).

Bulbazak should be here today, hope he does stuff.
Fresh too, but the last game I played with him as scum, he has a life :p
Zzzx needs to post more, and I have a feeling he wont.

Anyone else Im missing?

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

its all safe to assume we have at least 1 SK (sephiroth) . if this game was bastard then sephiroth could have started as town etc but this game isnt. oh well.

Zzzx isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. Didnt bork do FF10 mafia where Tidus/Auron/Wakka were scum and Lulu sk or something?

I wouldnt take that SK claim with any sincerity honestly

[Focus Beam]

Jaquen, The Antagonist is more likely than not town. If they go missing, we lynch them.

Scorpious, I just finished a game where I was confirmed town and we got through the game with only one mislynch. That was town CCing the cop, so yeah. If you want, you can look over that game. The post at the end explains what I was going for with the IC and how I view it.

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showt ... post836850

Jaquen's post looked really similar to what I was doing in that game. He was drawing attention to himself and then planned to explain how he was town. Did it work perfectly? Nope. Is Jaquen conftown? Nope, but he's probably town. Town enough where we shouldn't consider him as a lynch choice IMO.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Seiko, really not liking your entrance here. First, you say you don't like Fresh's 277, but you like his attitude.

While I'm townreading Jaquen, his 536 is nothing near a townslip. M can be 1 and still have it be multiball. 2 factions, Large group scum and serial killer. It's debatable whether that is multiball, but the mod's definition allows for it. You also give the wierdest backhanded compliment. Jaquen's town, but by the way don't listen to a word he says.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

To be clear, what about Fresh's attitude do you like? There's not much there to see yet in his ISO yet.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

No he responded to that point already...was weak but whatever.

I think that if they were talking on gchat about Lady's appointment they could've gotten on the same page about the misunderstanding but instead they kept posting separately, creating a lot of dissonance and confusion.

unvote
vote: Frogging Mollie

Why does poor hydra play trump Varsoon's contradictions and rolefishing?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

At some point, I should go back and see if there's a pattern between people calling me "Titus" and them being scum pushing me when I'm in a hydra.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

@Seiko 721, are you going to respond to my questions, or just yell I'm scum?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I have town

reads

on Aeris, Antagonist, Nacho, Feysal, mastin2* with town

leans

on mollie and Jaqen.

scum

leans

on Flubber, Kaboose, Varsoon, Focus Beam (obv), and TIP.

we should lynch Titus now.

So do you have some actual scum reads or are you unconfident scum?

Also, why the astrik on Matsin

~NotTitus

[Focus Beam]

mastin has an asterisk because I'm hilariously inaccurate at reading her, so we decided early on in the game we'd work together even if I wound up scum reading her

if you were reading the game, you might have picked that up

Dont worry, Im not too scared of your scumlean on us.

Also, you obviously cant read titus for shit either

~DrunkDragon

[Focus Beam]

im still scumreading jaqen

brb

lynch titus totes scum (jk)

For fuck sake, how did I forget this.

[Focus Beam]

Also, you obviously cant read titus for shit either

me reading her accurately, in every game, proves otherwise

Your 100% is in jeopardy.

[Focus Beam]

I find dragon to seem town and titus to seems scum

what does this mean

Im thinking Titus's playstyle is something people dont agree with.

[Focus Beam]

im pretty sure jaqen is on one of the scumteams. what is there bad about that titus-hydra?

The other 19 players you havent mentioned

[Focus Beam]

Saint, you're wrong on Jaquen most likely but hell even Sal disagrees with me.

Thoughts on Varsoon? Singer?

Hawk, looks like Seiko likes to dodge and call the person suspecting them scum. She's sidestepped explaining what about Fresh felt town and she's dodging your request for quotes. Plus, if notty is 100% accurate (which I doubt but I am too lazy to check) then that's a scum claim from Notty so keep that in mind.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Jaquen, there was no need to claim here. The mod probably just RNGed roles.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

hey could anyone do me a solid and tell me why they're townreading the pie hydra? tia

I

really

don't like this.

VOTE: Antagonist

what about this bothers you enough to warrant a vote?

It's the kind of thing I've repeatedly seen scum ask to get a read on who they can manipulate and who they can't.

There's also this tidbit I've been crumbing but I don't see any reason to not just put it out there plainly. Particularly in light of the previous talk of what if the core team of ffvii are scum. I rolled Red XII and my voice and my vote is my power! I'm town. Aeris is mod confirmed town. Other than possibly the materia thief or Cait Sith, I'm pretty sure all the core members are town.

Why this claiming is stupid

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59399

[Focus Beam]

Seiko, says I don't push anyone as scum. Towniness sign is Titus pushing.

Titus pushes Varsoon for about 500 posts, which frankly anyone can see. I'm hunting for his buddies. Do you think it's a coincidence that every single time I've asked about reads, it's included Varsoon?

I love the attempt to argue that I'm just playing semantics.

You're also highly hypocritical at best here. There's no scum motivation by being contradictory on your Fresh read because "scum have no motivation to lie". Yet, you paint my wanting a clarification of your stance on Fresh as scummy.

You argued Hawk was scummy when he asked you to quote something.

There's a consistency here. You don't want your feet held to the fire to explain your reads.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

You need to quote, now. This looks like you are BS'ing to support your read/garner support.

meanwhile, in case anyone was wondering, hawk is scum bc this line ^ is pretty fucking awful

Hmph, it looks a lot like your complaint on me though. You can quote the things Hawk asked for and it would shut down his argument no?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Hawk, talk to me. How do you feel about Varsoon?

A Seiko and Varsoon team or is Seiko being to forward to be a Varsoon buddy?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Jaquen, there was no need to claim here. The mod probably just RNGed roles.

~Titus

Nah. My role card and Awris being IC says otherwise. Town you would agree this is good info for town to know up front...

If you think that helps town and makes you town as fuck, you done fucked it up.

[Focus Beam]

Having played bork multiball before, he is not afraid to make core members a scum fakeclaim.

Yeah AND THE LAST FF GAME HAD MAIN CHARACTERS AS SCUM AND TOW.

[Focus Beam]

Scorp, scum can rage just as much as town. If you're vetoing that, I'll have to live with it, but I think that Varsoon is scum. He gets caught contradicting himself and his response is to rage and discredit rather than explaining. That's scum rage.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Titus becomes -really- obvious and easy to read after keeping around for a little while.
I'm fine without voting there for now. I like my Jaqen vote.

I wanted to know your intentions in walling up against ProHawk. Right now it really seems to be stemming from a general sort of walliness/defensive nature that you have, but that's really null at best. I want to encourage you to stop responding to him, since you've made your points really clear. Encourage him to actually play the game too.

VOTE: Focus Beam
Why not?


@seiko: I actually got really aggravated by people scumreading me, so I tried to take a bit of a breather rather that shout at them. It's just annoying, because I know I'm town, and so when people scumread me real quick, it pisses me off, but it shouldn't, especially if I am not doing especially towny things. So I'm kinda like, "Well, I'll just accept it. If people want to be wrong, it's okay."

I think these speak for themselves. Varsoon should be wagoned post haste. I know Sal's going to read me the riot act for posting, but these posts together are horrendous.

~Titus

Off the top of my head, thinking of different groups:
The Planet (Confirmed)
ShinRa (Turks, Rufus, etc.)
Weapons (Technically Planet-aligned anyway)
Hojo (Likely third party?)
Sephiroth & Jenova (Makes sense as an anti-Planet group)
AVALANCHE (If Bork really wanted to make the flavor interact in absurd ways)
So on and so forth.
There are so many amalgamations of what could make up which factions that there's no use in use wasting a ton of time talking about it.

Let's just play the game at hand and not get caught up in flavor, flavor-speculation, debating sexism, etc.
That'd be really great.
That's what I'm trying to do.

P-EDIT:
Focusbeam would come into thread to talk mad shit at me for wanting town to have info. Mudsling and tunnel harder, scumshit.

Bork's smart enough about his flavor that we shouldn't discuss flavor at all. It's a distraction and may even be a detriment as scum is likely to benefit more than town.
For instance, in Xenogears Mafia, the main character was a scum traitor.

Let's just play the game at hand first and foremost.

Lets not talk about flavor.

Meanwhile, heres the possible scumteams I may or may not be on.

Also Titusala is scum. Moving on.

~Sala

Two instances where Varsoon contradicts himself.

First, Varsoon says that he wants to keep me around for awhile because I'll be obvious to read. Then he votes me because why not. When I highlight this and his wagon starts growing, so does his rage.

Second here, Varsoon has been big on not discussing flavor. Yet, he's been discussing it a lot himself.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

That's the post where Varsoon is talking about flavor after he tells everyone else not to talk about flavor.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I have seen Town-Varsoon not use logic this way, and actually tunneled on him, thinking he was scum for it.

Link please?

[Focus Beam]

Yeah, looks like that link checks out Hawk. Ugh. That's totally inconsistent with the Varsoon I'm familiar with though. Talking about this with Sal.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Also, there is a potential that there is more than two anti-town factions.

The only actual game relevant information I've put into the thread, besides the fact that I'm town, but instead Prohawk et whover wants to dwell on a name joke and blame me.

You people are weird and are not buying flowers!!!

I have no scum meta!!! Why are you dwelling on me because that's weird and I'm about to name a scum team related to pro hawk!

It would be a downright travesty if I also roled scum.

Why?

Besides my aversion to playing scum, have you not played ff7?

This is something I was confused by earlier ProHawk. Aeris has an aversion to playing scum, but has no scum meta? I'm not getting this here.

~Titus

P-edit:

VOTE: unvote

Varsoon's back to null for both heads.

[Focus Beam]

Sigh

~Drunkdragon.

Dont think I can talk titus on Jaq

[Focus Beam]

We're trying to work out where our next vote should be atm.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Where is Bulbazak?

[Focus Beam]

VOTE: Seiko

We agree on this. Sal's concerned about viability but I don't give two shits.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Can someone asks me questions I feel left out

Oh hey a wild TiP.

Mr. jacob, nothing else to add?

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Sure, can we talk about Mastin?

How come no one wants to speed lynch you tip?

I can be swayed into Matsin.

I love this.

[Focus Beam]

Sure, can we talk about Mastin?

How come no one wants to speed lynch you tip?

I can be swayed into Matsin.

I love this.

see THIS IS WHY I WANNA LYNCH YOU.

THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

VOTE: focus beam

Why?

[Focus Beam]

Why the vote?

I want to hear why you think Im scum, before I explain why youre full of shit by explaining why it makes sense

[Focus Beam]

1. the titus head thinks Matsin scum vs Matsin town me. However, my townread is diminishing because of reasons.
2. TiP came out of nowhere 400 posts after his last and adds nothing. That bugs me.
3. We both like Hawk (The obvious Slandaar alt) for town. So this dragon likes both options (abit more than Piescience).
4. Im not getting Varsoon/ZZZX/Jaq today so Im in compromise mode today.

My votes moving to matsin if/when she comes up with a shitty excuse why she needs us lynched, despite saying Tituscum is useful to keep around

"I love this" stands for I like the fact a townread of ours wants to lynch some scumreads, not to mention TiP is bugging me.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Hawk is not a Slandaar alt.

Sal and I do have some similarities. He's kinda frustrated because I don't want a lurker lynch but TiP is the lynch he wants. I hate lurker lynches on day 1 but we both have concerns that the majority of scum are lurking having us fight it out.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

1. the titus head thinks Matsin scum vs Matsin town me. However, my townread is diminishing because of reasons.
2. TiP came out of nowhere 400 posts after his last and adds nothing. That bugs me.
3. We both like Hawk (The obvious Slandaar alt) for town. So this dragon likes both options (abit more than Piescience).
4. Im not getting Varsoon/ZZZX/Jaq today so Im in compromise mode today.

My votes moving to matsin if/when she comes up with a shitty excuse why she needs us lynched, despite saying Tituscum is useful to keep around

"I love this" stands for I like the fact a townread of ours wants to lynch some scumreads, not to mention TiP is bugging me.

~Sally

okay

this post reads like it came from titus not from sally and it is gonna do my brain in.

Well it wasnt titus, soooo...

~Nottitus

P-Edit: Lol

[Focus Beam]

Ok TiP.

You are still on Jaq. What do you think of his claim of Red?

[Focus Beam]

since we are all grown ups here I am just going to point out that tippy is vt.

What the fuck Mollie?

~ObvTitus

[Focus Beam]

Drop it.

~Someone

[Focus Beam]

Jaq, where are your crumbs, cant find them

[Focus Beam]

This is a hydra here people. A hydra. There's two of us. Titus and Sal. Please don't refer to our slot as Titus. TSal, SalamanderTightAss, Tiffany the Salamander, don't really care. This is a hydra. Titus is not playing alone.

Second, Mollie, why did you want to out TiP?

TiP, why aren't you pissed at Mollie's comment?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

TiP, I can't crumb hunt for shit, but if it was a spontaneous crumb, we shouldn't find anything...

I'm not ruling out Jaquen scum. I'd be more worried if there were blatant crumbs as town generally doesn't crumb VT.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

**spontaneous claim

[Focus Beam]

Here's what I've got so far:

Titus, Aeris, and Varsoon are scum. Titus and Aeris are scum together. Varsoon is on the other team. Mollie, Mastin, Pie-hydra, and ProHawk are town. Those are my strong reads. The rest I'm still sorting one way or the other.

I'm working on a bigger post, but I've only made it to page 15, and I'm exhausted. I'll try to pick this back up before D&D tomorrow. Will probably vote Titus when all caught up.

Night.

So hi. im salamence20.

Im Titus' other half and no one notices me

@Bulba: I never ever ever ever ever ever townread my scumbuddies. But sure Areis is my scumbuddy.
@TiP: Thats important because youre right, VT PMs dont have anything about voice and vote. I cant find any crumbs. I told titus to look amd she couldnt either. Im hoping that makes it easier to get titus to join Jaq.
@Mollie: Stop. Any time you want to post about us, go ask frog if you should. Because youre not going to scumread us without some bias or stupidity

[Focus Beam]

I think I saw where it was crumbed

Lets wait for Jaq to comment before we guess.

[Focus Beam]

Then he can provide his crumbs or be lynched. There's something else unnerving about his post, that bothers me but let's see what happens.

I need some sleep. Good night all.

Sal, babe, I'm not townreading Aeris at all.

~ObvTitus

[Focus Beam]

Oh and the Mollie comment is over the top. She's biased but she's not stupid. She's one of the smartest women I know.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

jaqen continues the unwavering awfulness

why are you ignoring titus

haven't read a single one of her posts. otherwise i wouldn't be caught up w/ this game

ika's the titus expert here and if he's scumreading her, he hereby has my permission to switch the vote to her and lynch with abandon.

No hes not, wtf are you talking about

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

unvote;

i can't vote that nameclaim

you know what
my name isnt really what you would consider a town name but im town ...
maybe it works both ways?

vote: jaqen hghar

i have suspicions on why this could be maf too even with the name

Sighhhhhhhhh

~Sala

[Focus Beam]

Can we talk about how we have had leading wagons on Varsoon, Jaq, and us, and for some reason they keep dying down.

Mollie, shut the fuck up. Im getting pissed now, your reasonings are just as bad as Matsin's and frankly if youre not scum, then youre biased as fuck. Frogger knows Im town because Im fucking towning it up here. Please for fuck sake talk to him and let him decide your read on him. Also the fact you are saying titus is Biased. Fucking stop.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

No hes not, wtf are you talking about

hey

hey sally

i've been in games w/ both titus and ika and they DEFINITELY have some kind of rapport

YEAH IKA ALWAYS VOTES TITUS

IF TITUS WAS FUCKING MOD CONFIRMED HE WOULD STILL VOTE HER.

FFS

[Focus Beam]

Yeah Anti, we do. It's called ika votes me every single fucking game. I only kept my in present because you were here and hopefully you'd actually put in the effort to read me. If ika's controlling your thoughts on our slot exclusively, I might as well just be permanently hated.

We have a history. Go ahead and try to find one game on any site where ika townreads me within the past 6 months to a year. Try to.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I think we need to coalesce a bit here

and by coalesce I mean lets come to some sort of agreement

in other words i kind of want you pple to agree with me but I don't want any1 to get mad but I really really think beam pple are scum.

titus outs pple all of the TIME. she is freaking out about tippy who doesn't care and I am pretty sure is town just cos of how he is posting.

can we lynch titus plz

No, I don't.

Also, I'm not freaking out about TiP. We both agreed he was a lurker (he only started posting after our callout). I didn't want to lynch lurkers.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I agree that there's not much coming from the Fresh slot.
I know it might be a bit early or difficult, but if you could provide a reads list with at least a single sentence explaining each read, it'd serve as a strong indicator of what you're seeing happening. Usually, I use reads lists like this to see how a player's thought process works or if they've made any awkward changes in how they think/what their reads are. Since you're confirmed town, though, it'll be helpful just to have a conf-town voice calling the game as they see it. Also, it'll give me some insight into your process.

In other words, tell us who is mislynchable.

Yeah, we're doing this.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Focus Beam]

1V1 on Varsoon, lets see who rages more.

[Focus Beam]

Flubber's vote on Varsoon is terrible, and guess what I'm reaching the point where I don't even fucking care. Being the day 1 "random" lynch by the same people with the same baggage who don't even bother reading me is ridiculous.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I mean, if Titus is so fucking OP that everyone and their mothers need to feel the need of lynching her D1, then you are all jackasses.

[Focus Beam]

Fine. Lets go.

[Focus Beam]

I'm fine with this. Jaquen's probably town so it cuts down on your mislynch options Varsoon.

To bad I don't have an autoconfirm this game.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Oh I'm mean? You call accepting a 1 v 1 "mean"? But isn't that the idea. Paint the slot as big bad "Titus", forget all about Sal's existence and get people to lynch us.

I'm not mean. I tell it like it is. A lynch wagon sucks, I say so. You're playing stupid, I'll say so. I'm sorry if your ego can't handle blundering from time to time. I can take it as well as I can give it but no I'm not mean. The stuff in this game thrown our way has been mean. I don't mince words because town should be transparent as fuck unless conftown.

You want to make a lynch out of me being "mean" go ahead and try it. Anything less than the direct approach, people will lynch town. That's the way it is. Look at Signs and Void where I was scum and held your hand. I was so nice all you had to do was keep lynching town.

Scum kiss your ass and play to ego. Sorry that I don't do that as town. Maybe I should oh wait nevermind that's anti-town as fuck.

There's a difference between brutal honesty and mean.

Also, you really don't want to lynch Jaquen, just like you really didn't want to lynch us right?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

To be clear, the audience for my last post is town, not Varsoon.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Oh and I'm going to strategically avoid this thread for the weekend.

Let's see who can try to paint me as big bad and evil when I'm not around. Oh by the way, almost certainly, all the wagons will be on town when I get back.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Sigh

You know, I dont mind being mislynched. Its a game, it happens, so what? Ive been mislynched before, Ive driven mislynches before as town/scum, and Ive been mislynched because Ive been scummy before.

However, this isnt cool. Look at our wagon. How many can you actually say are because our slot is scummy over TITUS DID X, X = confscum and Meta/confbias? I think the answer is Varsoon and just Varsoon.

Whats sad is when we flip planet, everyone will shrug and move on to fuck around instead of getting varsoon, or Jaq, or Matsina.

Titus is actually thinking of replacing out, meaning I may have to solo this, which I really dont want to do. She thinks Im actually pissed at her because we are getting mislynched because of her, I told her its part of the game, but then she brings up that this wagon is mainly people who have issues with Titus. I agree, but whatever, we are scum, sure...

Whatever, if Titus replaces out or just gives up, then I dont give a fuck. Ill probably self because Im not solo'ing a large theme.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Notty, Ika, Mollie, Singer, Matsin:

Fuck all of you.

That is all

[Focus Beam]

Really, people referring to the slot by saying things along the lines of "I want to lynch Titus" are painting the slot as "Titus" to make it easier and more palatable to lynch.

This is the first I've heard about a "scummy" push. Elaborate. You're not wagoning me because I'm "mean". Then why was your first question about the 1 v 1 how I'm mean?

If I was "doing scummy things" at the time you first voted me, you would have mentioned them. The only scummy thing I did was be wagoned. That's not scummy at all. You didn't have a "change of heart". There was nothing "obviously scummy" by that point in the game. If there was and you were town, you would have said there's an obvious scumpost by Focus Beam, see I told you they make their alignment obvious. It would have been consistent. Your vote was nothing more than opportunism, and you're now trying to sell it as not opportunism.

There's no such thing as a premature defense to bullshit. If it's bullshit, there's no required time to wait to call it out. You're trying to sell obvious town meta as scum because I'm smart enough to fake it. Fucking really? I don't value meta but anything can be dismissed as Focus Beam is playing to their town meta, so it has to be scum. That's one hell of a strawman. Anything townie I do can then be sold as a scum action. I don't care how I look, I care about lynching scum but I'm a little frustrated that I'm always the target of a day 1 mislynch. You did this in Pathfinder and you're doing it here.

People being told they are wrong makes people angry. Nothing I do is designed to get an angry response. Frankly, other people tell each other they are wrong, and no one gets angry. I say so and it's painted as the big bad evil Titus.

Also, I love how you're calling my push on you parroting when I called you out for your terrible vote on me in the next post. There's no one I could have been parroting.

Sal, I am not pissed at you. I'm frustrated and I feel sorry for you but no you've done nothing wrong.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Aeris

- Sooo much content,hard to sift through it all,Seemed genuinely upset about not getting my role. I was also thinking it may be an alt based on the lack of meta people were talking about. null for me

Antihero

- 2 posts, I hate that.. could be hiding scum-- scum lean

Bulbazak

- Same, no effort..could be hiding scum-- scum lean

CB

-looks like effort was started but then nothing since,curious to why.. null

Feysal

-Thoughts seemed measured,some vote jumping,but I see nothing wrong with that-- town lean

Flubbernugget

- Seems very reactive to others,not really offering much of his own hunting,lots of vote hopping-- null

Focus

-- was put on the defensive early,many,many...many posts,would take hours to provide something accurate,been nice but not overly nice to me-- null

FSS

-- shared the same early thoughts as I on Aeris,then 3 day VLA..--null

Fresh

-- gut instinct on this one being scum at the beginning based on nothing,so far.. Has not proved me wrong- strong scum

Frs99er

So far useless-- slight scum lean

Frogging Mollie

Hardest read so far,very active,but I get the impression we are dealing with much experience,So I'm careful with this one--null,but that could change by the minute with this one

GuyinFreezer

has a green name so obviously is something on this site. Must know better,absence seems intentional -- scum read

hiplop

--shares my view on Varsoon--town lean

Jaqen Hghar

-- A very Argonian name.. came in and was put on defensive right away,have to look a little deeper to see if there is any substance to it--very very slight town read..

Kaboose

-- Most of his posts so far are responses to Frog Mollie. I don't know what to make of that. if anyhting--null

mastin2

-- This one comes off as "I own this room.. I own you".. I can't tell you how much I can't stand that,and it's always a nice shroud for scummy behavior--One of my biggest scum reads atm

Mushroom Mollie

--absolute waste of space so far.. null read but name in red because..1 post..

Nachomama8

-- ditto

Hawk

-- I don't see the votes on him carrying any weight,and one was supposed to be removed but it was done in error,so he has 2--town lean

Psychlone

-- Already gave feedback to him personally. I like his scumhunting,the question mark posts gotta go though--null

Saint

-- I can't say enough about how this playstyle just screams scum to me. One sentence blasts dont impress me. -- Scum lean

Scorpious

-- obviously an asshole..

SeikoxNaomi

-- Town lean until #785 where caps became cruise control for cool. I don't like tantrums--scum lean

SingerSigner

-- Seems to vote whatever it feels the need to,whenever although,I have a gut town lean

The Antagonist

-- in 933 he is talking about how a lot of you know each other and "we're" likely to slip..did he?--scum lean

Irish Pope

-- Seems invested enough,obviously knows many here.. town lean

Varsoon

-- to quote myself "If this guy is scum,he's earned D2-- null

ZZZX

--didn't like his comment about SK's.--scum lean

You're reading some of the hydra heads outside of their hydras. You should compare your list to the first post.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Singer, possibly but I don't think so. If you know that I'm going to get wagoned as long as I'm not on a scumteam (meaning they had a townread on me), anyone can hide on my wagon. The first vote is no exception, particularly if you have a setup where you'd have to test my alignment because I've only rolled scum at you. Pre-built justification there.

I'm in more of the "Nacho's reads are terrible" camp myself.

There is one thing that I could do that could be calling you as scum, but at that point, you'd have to be scum with Aeris anyway and it's a little to semantic for my tastes even. If Aeris flips scum, I'll be looking back at it in a heartbeat but without that you're town. Aeris has enough scummy things to be done in her own right. If she was an alt, own up to it and say "I'm an alt, so while I hate scum, I don't have scum meta on this alt".

[Focus Beam]

Now I'm having some serious second thoughts about the FocusBeam thing, if only because of the replace-out mention and how seriously they're taking this.

Glad to see the reads, Scorp. Do you typically baseline-read players as scum?

That's why I can't. It would be a "strategic" replace out in every sense of the word. I discussed this with Sal. He disagreed saying it would be more from the toxic environment, but I knew that I would be replacing out so people couldn't paint us as a mislynch because we're "Titus". That's not how the system is meant to be used.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I think it may be more useful to start with a town-basis, if only due to 75% of players being town in most games. You'll at least be more 'correct'.

So essentially, look at everyone as town until they do something that looks otherwise? I've been going at it completley opposite,and it doesn't seem to go well. I draw uneeded pressure somehow,I find myself being defensive often. then I end up doing more defense and like you,i get super pissed.. then i look more scummy..

That's happens a lot to me too. Unfortunately, that is NOT you looking scummy as a result of you defending yourself. It's a result of people having momentary mindfarts and being lead around by scum. You don't draw unneeded pressure. That's scum pushing an easy mislynch. That happens to newbies. I just happened to be picked on a lot because I'm a threat to any opposing alignment but the principle is the same. Scum get rid of threats or go for easy mislynches.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Well, then you can skip to the part where regardless of alignment, I don't say anything that's not founded in evidence. I won't trust you, you won't trust me although I'm town, but you know that I'd be an asset to your scum wincon and you unvote me to keep me around to find the other scums for you.

And I do the same.

We work together to find one scum that's not on team Varsoon. A one v one here, although I'm fine to do it as I can pray town would be smart enough to lynch you, would cut off investigating other people thus limiting the effectiveness of my VCA.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

I'm town, though.
:/

And you're too much a liability from my PoV given play so far.
Does that make sense?

No, because I'm not a liability because I'm town. The only way I'm too much of a liability for you is if you're scum.

[Focus Beam]

You know, I dont think Varsoon is town.

BUT, BUT, he has actually stated why WE could be scum and sticked to it.

Everyone else voting us hasnt, and thats something worth looking for when we flip Planet

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Varsoon, who besides yourself, on our wagon, who could be scum?

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

I don't know your alignment. While you could be town, you could also very easily be scum. If I was on a scum team, I would not kill you because of how D1 has gone so far.
Ergo, you're the kind of slot that is ensured survivability, which is bad for town, because we want a cross-kill.
Furthermore, if you're not lynched now, short of mod-confirmation (fuck godfather, seriously), you'll always be a contender for lynch, imo.
That's problematic.
That's too much of a liability.

Please go look at our wagon and tell me its town oriented

[Focus Beam]

Mastin, yo.

This would be the same Mastina that thought we were town in Signs and Void & House Party, at best if she's town, she's proven she can't read me for shit.

Second, vote parking us and disappearing isn't town motivated.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Will catch up tomorrow, out for the day today. But I still want to lynch kaboose.

Please quit suggesting this, I would really be upset if people listened to you and thought it was a good idea!

Why shouldn't we lynch you?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

*Looks at Bulbazak's post*
FOR FUCK SAKE. PLEASE FEEL THE NEED TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT DID TITUS DO THAT MAKES HER CONFSCUM.
*Walks out*

[Focus Beam]

Varsoon, listen for a sec.

Matsin voted us and said if Titus was scum, she would keep her alive, but she has her reasons.

We havent heard from her yet. But it doesnt make sense on why she would keep scumtitus alive and yet vote us unless she was a lyncher.

Is there anyway we can compromise on Matsina because her logic is off

[Focus Beam]

@Bulba,

First things first. Sal's defended Aeirs. Sal has also made the "sexist" comments. He never intended that as such. If your standard is to lynch me based on me doing something that you can't understand, you should probably make sure it's me doing the posting. I haven't softclaimed anything as far as I know. Sal's told me he has though so *shrug*. I think anyone fairly reading the posts and concluding they are "sexist" would logically infer that it wasn't ME talking since I'm you know a GIRL. You're "forgetting" what made you think I was scum, but voting anyway. You can't be accused of putting forth a bad case nor disproven by merely saying something's there and never again will I be swayed. That's scumposting 101. Vote town, strawman argument, can't be disproven. All the scum you're scumreading me for, isn't me. It's our slot yes, but this shows at best you're putting no effort into the game and decided you were going to vote me if ever I became a wagon.

Second, you're totally failing the high content in your posts barometer I use for your catchups. In Signs and Void and HU2, you had long quote walls where people could tell where you're coming from. You've dispensed with that entirely.

[Focus Beam]

@Singer,

Can we vote Bulba?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

*Looks at Bulbazak's post*
FOR FUCK SAKE. PLEASE FEEL THE NEED TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT DID TITUS DO THAT MAKES HER CONFSCUM.
*Walks out*

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE.

SALLY (THATS ME, AND FUCK YOU) DEFENDED AERIS, SO WTF!?

JESUS CHRIST.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Singer, so it's wierd if I do it, but not if you do it? See why I'm frustrated by the double standard.

Second, I'm townreading you. Both heads hated that Bulba post, so I'd rather get a wagon going that we both agree on and has our townread agree on rather than just yelling Varsoon is scum (because he is) but others have said they won't lynch there. I'd rather build a coalition here.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

How you feel about Psychlone is exactly how I feel about Varsoon.

I acutally didn't give a shit about the

particular

nature more that someone was asking someone else to do something. Now that I realize that it's the specific nature to you that you found wierd, I can address that. Psychological research shows that if you put a vague request out to a group, you'll get next to nothing. Instead, make a more specific request and you'll be more likely to get engagement and follow through. Plus, specific requests tend to be done by town addressing fellow townreads to get a townblock going together on the same target. If someone else piles on, great. Generally I tend to make my requests to get on a wagon more specific unless everyone's doing the whole "I want to vote my wagon" thing and there is no major wagon. Is it always, nope. Specific requests work best.


So can we wagon Bulba and see what happens tonight with Varsoon and Psychlone?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Will catch up tomorrow, out for the day today. But I still want to lynch kaboose.

Please quit suggesting this, I would really be upset if people listened to you and thought it was a good idea!

Why shouldn't we lynch you?

~Titus

Because I may seem a little odd, but I'll be helpful eventually.

Did you seriously think satirizing and insulting me was going to be effective?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Oh look, more Bias with Titus from Bulba.

Trying to blame something I did on Titus.

Fuckins stupid you are.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Will catch up tomorrow, out for the day today. But I still want to lynch kaboose.

Please quit suggesting this, I would really be upset if people listened to you and thought it was a good idea!

Why shouldn't we lynch you?

~Titus

Because I may seem a little odd, but I'll be helpful eventually.

Did you seriously think satirizing and insulting me was going to be effective?

~Titus

I wasn't aware of my insult towards anyone.

Ok, you can be town. I describe myself as odd and stronger in the late game. So I figured you were satrizing me by saying I was odd and exaggerating saying I was useless. Given the amount of satire and insults I get, I misinterpreted.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

From all the talk about lynching Kaboose, this Prohawk vote is the only time someone actually did it.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

VOTE: Bulbazak

Let's do this then. I'll talk to my hydra partner about communicating better. I think we're both impulsive posters generally so that's probably where it's coming from.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Blah blah kaboose blah blah softing

blah blah TheIrishPope blah blah trying to look useful

Kaboose, what do you think of Bulbazak? of us?

Right now, you look a little pot calling the kettle here. Who do you want to be lynched?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

Kaboose, please vote your biggest scumread. If you think I'm town, voting helps, even if you're not 100% right as I do look at the votes a lot later.

Mollie, thank you.

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

VOTE: mastin

Why are you scumreading Mastina?

~Titus

[Focus Beam]

VOTE: mastin

Bulba today, Train.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Mollie can you do me a favor?

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

Can you ask Frog why he sees kaboose scum?

[Focus Beam]

It bugs me that FocusBeam was all gung-ho about a 1v1 and is not trying to corral for lynches outside the FocusB v Varsoon dichotomy. Uh, blah blah.

Are you going to ignore me because my name isnt Titus?

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

I don't see how that post is ignoring you, FocusBeam.

Matsina.

Reasoning for lynching us despite wanting Titusscum alive.

Not town logic.

What do you think?

[Focus Beam]

Can you ask Frog why he sees kaboose scum?

you cld ask him yourself why do you want me to do it

I already asked him why he wants kaboose lynched in our gchat

Im afraid he wont see it and I probably wont see him until Monday when he comes back.

You can contact him immediately. Thats why.

~Sally

[Focus Beam]

If you know me, then you know I'm town!

21. TheIrishPope
^Town.

Does anyone besides me think that this reason to vote sucks? It would have been fine in RVS, but by this point it reeks of an excuse. Even though I talked a bit about flavor myself, I agree that it's not something worth dwelling on. Then there is post #169, where I again agree with Varsoon. And as of post #368, this reason is still the best he can come up with?
VOTE: free stool sample

Respectfully, I disagree wholeheartedly.

Feysal, While town may change their votes freely, they don't contradict themselves as they do it. I think you have FSS and Varsoon backwards.

And on this point, I agree!

Also, like every voter on the Titus wagon (or, almost every voter, anyway), my vote on Titus was not policy. When I think she's town, I let her live. Even if I don't, I'll generally work with her if I have reason not to be pursuing her lynch. (e.g. why Varsoon would be my vote if not her.) It's just that right now, I have reason to push her lynch, sooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

Is Matsin being dumb or lyncher?

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Lyncher is a joke, go home.

Then wtf is Matsin doing?

See what Im saying? If Matsin believed we were actually scum, why would she contradict her like this?

See what you make me do, Varvar?

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Keep trying to draw the kill/those night actions, FrogMollie.

@FocusB:
Because she's probably scum? Or trying to get you lynched, poorly?

Yes

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Yeah, it's nuts, almost like there will be a bunch of bad cases in a large multiball.

Please take a minute and look at the people who are voting us.

Most of them are "Titus did x, which x is scum" which sounds like dumb meta/policy.

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Kaboose, please vote your biggest scumread. If you think I'm town, voting helps, even if you're not 100% right as I do look at the votes a lot later.

Mollie, thank you.

~Titus

I am sorry I am so hard on you titus cos I know I really am. its COS I like you and think you have the potential to be 1 of the greats and I guess in some weird way I wanna shield you from falling into some of the pit traps that I have fallen into (and I am still trying to dig myself out of).

holy shit this sounds like I think I am 1 of the greats when that isn't what I meant at all!

cos lol I am not

I don't mind you being hard on me Mollie. What I do mind is the collection of votes that are largely reasonless and trying to be sold as if they aren't. I know I have my flaws. I know I need to work on them. I like that you want me to improve my game. I generally avoid /inning at the start to remove the problem of me sucking at day 1 (but great at reviewing it) but if I don't post Day 1, I'll always be the "random" vote. Your votes there, while I still feel were policy lynch driven, were relatively transparent in what you were doing (even if we disagree on the label to place on it).

I have been explaining what causes my "bad" behavior so in a hopes we can work on it together. However, "bad" is in quotes because I don't see anything I do as bad, merely playing the hand I've been dealt. For instance, I know I need to work on what's meant to be taken literally and what isn't. I do work on that. I am working on listening to people, but at the same time we have to factor in just because the crowd says it doesn't make it right.

I like players who are transparent and I tend to be pretty transparent in all my games. Generally, I view all players as having an agenda. It's much easier to see the agenda looking back on things, which is why my VCA usually turns out well. I'm taking out the things I'm worse at and doing the things I'm better at. If you feel that something I say isn't transparent, that's when you ask. The clarification, should tell you the most about my alignment. I'll either answer or say it's anti-town to answer and give you the most transparent reason why I'm anti-town. To read me, don't look so far as if you agree with me, but whether or not my thought processes is transparent.

What also needs to happen though is not stuff like "why not" wagon Titus and selling it as if it's scum. In the rare event Varsoon is town, things like that are shitty, especially from players who know I make my alignment known. I am relatively aware at how psychology plays into the game and seeing manipulative tactics. The problem is, both town and scum are manipulative. Both go for agendas (town is don't lynch town but lynch scum). I'm putting forth the effort to be better, but the effort just feels wasted if it never accomplishes anything so I'll get frustrated and rage a bit.

While Sal is being inartful, he's hitting the nail on the head. Mastina's playing as if her one goal is to lynch Titus. This isn't based in fact or reason or anything. Using the phrase lyncher confuses some because this game isn't bastard and thus no lyncher can be present. Yet, this type of behavior is something that happens all the time to my slot, from both town and scum.

I do appreciate the effort to meet me half-way, and if you see me falling into a tunnel habit, feel free to call me out on it.

I'll probably still tunnel if all my townreads and I are voting the same player.

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Feysal, can you talk to me about free stool sample? I liked their pushes so far. I like the fact we're starting to get to the same place but we have wildly divergent theories on FSS.

Second, we both think Mollie's town. We both town read each other. We both scumread Bulba. There's a seat waiting for you on the bulba wagon if you want it.

~Titus

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@1070, I get the appeal post, but if you're going to call it an appeal, at least argue it's to Mollie. Feysal had zero prompting or anything to do with the wall I made to Mollie.

As for lynching Varsoon, I think that everyone knows I would be game for it. Yet my townreads aren't. Bulba's scum too and my reads want that.

The 1 v 1 was initiated by Varsoon, I was replying. I am wiling to do it if necessary but 1 v 1 s obstruct the game. I said this already.

Suppose for a moment that I actually was pushing Varsoon, would your read change Pie?

~Titus

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How is that question a trap ika?

How are you actually arguing everyone should sheep Mollie, yet argue the exact opposite of Mollie's reads?

~Titus

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How is that question a trap ika?

How are you actually arguing everyone should sheep Mollie, yet argue the exact opposite of Mollie's reads?

~Titus

you missed the key part of it titus, way to misrep and leave out the context part

What context did I leave out? If you think Mollie's town, then why would she have to die first?

Second, you are arguing the opposite of her reads.

Third, you didn't answer why the post was a trap.

~Titus

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@Hawk, Join us on Bulba. It's a wagon of win IMO.

@hiplop, this is multiball. Also, my wagon jumped up just as fast, yet you had zero problem with it. Now that Bulba's getting wagoned, you do.

@Mollie/Singer, I am thinking that ika might be scum with Bulbazak or their townbeard. Are you seeing what I'm seeing?

@TiP, You've been saying a lot about who you don't like, and I disagree with most of it. Who do you like?

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@Mollie/Singer, by ika I mean the Antagonist but it's ika's recent posting that puts the idea in my head.

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@hiplop, no not really. My wagon started as a super fast RVS wagon and your vote was smack in the middle of it. Take a look at things again please.

@ika, No it's specifically your posting. Oh and don't give me this, you just got home. I'd prove it but that requires quoting another ongoing. Second, even if for some method that hasn't been you posting in here and I'm wrong on reading the heads, that doesn't alleviate the concerns I have about you.

That's the second time you've attempted to shout down or ignore what I have to say. First when I asked Seiko if she assumed I was pushing Varsoon if her read would change (calling it a "trap") and now here, I throw a basic question to Mollie and Singer and you're yelling at me.

Also, your vote moves to Psychlone (the wagon singer preferred) after they take their vote off of me and onto Bulba is telling too. Why are you "so confident" about Psychlone being scum all of a sudden, when you weren't confident enough at the time to vote him?

These are nagging things to me. I'm trying to sort out just how much is you wanting to lynch me every game regardless of alignment or if any of it has scum motivation. Right now, your behavior when I'm trying to engage people is not helpful to anyone in the slightest.

~Obviously Titus (ObvTitus)

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So just what is your stance on Bulbazak ika?

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These last two posts are utter gibberish, other than the prove it thing. I can.

Please quote your read on Bulba if you stated it after his scummy vote on us.

~Titus

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The Antagonist, why can't you just answer a straightforward question. I don't see anything directly even when ISOing unless it's "blub" is Bulbazak. Second, even if you meant Bulbazak, I don't know why you think he's town. I'm trying to engage you here but why do you have to be like this every game?

~Titus

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I don't think Focus Beam have so much given up on Varsoon as they have accepted it is not happening today. The wagon on Varsoon has been there all day and stalled long ago. No use beating a dead horse.

they said they would 1v1 it they have far from given up

also they should isome for that bulb read

I would be happy to lynch Varsoon but yeah, that wagon's not happening at the moment. Focusing exclusively on one scumread stalls the game. I think I've said this at least twice before now.

~Titus

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@Tip, Totally interfering here, but I'm partial to 1065 (I hope that worked right).

Also, thanks for the quote. I get not immediately scumreading Nacho (there's a plausible explanation for his posts), but I don't see how he's in your cool kids club. The rest I can go along with.

Have you sorted Bulbazak yet?

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@Mollie, I think I mentioned this to Singer, but basically Nacho's concerned with people "hiding out" on my wagon and being scum. Singer's saying there's no way to hide I'm the first poster. Yet, Singer's just as aware as we all are that I'm frequently an RVS wagon so someone can easily "hide" their vote there even in the first position. Basically, it's a quibble to me about the definition of hiding, and I'm inclined to believe that Nacho has his reads backwards.

Now, can you answer me if you think The Antagonist and Bulbazak are possible buddies or not? I know ika and I have baggage but I'd like a second pair of eyes. First, The Antagonist (head irrelevant) shoots down my attempts to understand Seiko, calling my question to them a trap. Then here when Bulbazak takes off, now The Antagonist is interested in the Psychone wagon and is particularly targeting Singer. Yet, nothing happened (at least no posts by Nacho) between Singer's generic request for people to vote Psychlone and The Antagonist moving their vote. They posted about many other things, but now the timing seems convienent. Am I reading something there that doesn't exist?

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@hiplop, no not really. My wagon started as a super fast RVS wagon and your vote was smack in the middle of it. Take a look at things again please.

Yeah, rvs wagon? real one was slow burning! Also I have yet to vote you this game!

Flubbernugget is totally scum, by the way. Just look at page 45 for evidence. What the fuck is that catch up lol?

@TIP i agree with Titus that 1065 looks quite town!

My apologies. I really thought you did for some reason. Looks like I need to recheck some things as well. I'm usually better with votes.

My wagon hasn't been "slow" at all though. People have been playing roulette with who is on it, but generally my wagon has been around since RVS and stayed just with certain people jumping off and more getting on.

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@Mollie, I think I mentioned this to Singer, but basically Nacho's concerned with people "hiding out" on my wagon and being scum. Singer's saying there's no way to hide I'm the first poster. Yet, Singer's just as aware as we all are that I'm frequently an RVS wagon so someone can easily "hide" their vote there even in the first position. Basically, it's a quibble to me about the definition of hiding, and I'm inclined to believe that Nacho has his reads backwards.

Now, can you answer me if you think The Antagonist and Bulbazak are possible buddies or not? I know ika and I have baggage but I'd like a second pair of eyes. First, The Antagonist (head irrelevant) shoots down my attempts to understand Seiko, calling my question to them a trap. Then here when Bulbazak takes off, now The Antagonist is interested in the Psychone wagon and is particularly targeting Singer. Yet, nothing happened (at least no posts by Nacho) between Singer's generic request for people to vote Psychlone and The Antagonist moving their vote. They posted about many other things, but now the timing seems convienent. Am I reading something there that doesn't exist?

I am not seeing the plausible explanation for why you think psychlone is scummy

I was arguing that they are on the town side of null (fewer posts than I'd like).... Singer's the one who thinks they are scummy.

Conjunction junction what's your function...I think we got lost in translation.

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@TiP,

Nothing about 1065 is ambiguous to me. What is ambiguous to you?

Bulbazak also didn't stem from boredom at all. Bulbazak stemmed from the fact that his vote on me was terribad. He says he's voting me because he doesn't get what I'm doing in certain posts, yet he gets his head wrong. His whole policy was "If I don't get what Titus is doing, I auto lynch and never turn back". Yet, it wasn't me doing anything he described but the other head. When called upon this, he doubles down despite being told by multiple people that he's wrong.

~Titus

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@Feysal,

We seem to be on the same page, a little frighteningly so but I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth when someone finally gets me. When I die (if you're still alive by Day 4 or so) can you do a Vote Count Analysis if I tell you the procedures?

~Titus

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err, not ambiguous. If you read my notes you'll see what i mean.
I understand the bulba thing but maybe when he posts some more i'll look back at his posts and think some more about it.

Can you try to clarify for me so I can look it over tomorrow?

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Really? I was starting to get good vibes from you and you do this?

Too bad.

I don't get where you could have gotten your town read on Bulbazak from. He has barely any content, and I don't understand the reasoning behind what little there is. The only thing that really bothers me about being on his wagon is how little it would tell us if he were lynched, since he has had almost no interaction with other players.

THIS IS FUNNY BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUMREADING BULBA

I actually was trying to tell Feysal in a not so subtle way that even if Bulba hasn't interacted with a majority of the group, we can still get reads based on who wants to lynch him and when.

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Now that actually makes a little more sense and it's something I used to associate with scum, but here the only read that Feysal seems to be fenceshitting on is ProHawk (and I think he's right to because I think ProHawk is town). "Could be" can indicate two things. 1, low self-confidence or 2, a lack of confidence in what he's saying. Here, he's not making a case on why they both could be town. He's arguing why certain slots can be scum. I used to read the "coulds" as fenceshitting but I learned that "coulds" are not always fenceshits. Feysal seems to be a much more reserved kind of player. Plus, town sometimes waffle during day 1 or have reads that aren't 100% certain the player is scum. Saying "so and so could be scum" is appropriate.

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I need to get off of here, but I would really like to talk to you about Bulba tomorrow, or why your vote is still on me.

~Titus

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@Seiko,

Just because it's not how you'd do it, does not mean I am not pushing. The posts that I was doing were intended to call attention to his posting. Saying that he was being blantantly fishing is calling attention to his behavior and pushing for him to be lynched. The fact that Varsoon broke is indicative of him being pushed. If the pressure I applied was non-existant, why did Varsoon start rage posting?

What are your thoughts on Bulbazak?

I'll catch y'all tomorrow.

~Titus