SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Sensei]

Yos please read diamonds scum meta from metal gear solid.
Just do it.

Meta is trash, though.

[Sensei]

VOTE: Diamond
I still want to do the hammer on him. Even if he wasn't originally bluffing, I'd survive.

Please don't. I will have to claim.

Wait, what?

If you're sayinh you have role based info that ds is town, I'll back off for now without a claim, but only if you're damn sure.

He like, just called for a vig on him the post above this.

[Sensei]

Who are you to call vig shots brah?

[Sensei]

Welp too late now.

[Sensei]

Epic.

[Sensei]

Thanks pip.
Technically wasn't scum tho. hehe

[Sensei]

Do you like adventures?
Do you like awesome power boosts?
Are you town?

Well then good news, friend. We've recently acquired an unexpected new job opening!
Fill out your applications today and join the winning team!

[Sensei]

ABR you're literally trying to claim towncred for pushing someone who was for all intents and purposes not in-the-know. Please stop.

[Sensei]

I think you missed my point.

[Sensei]

Scum fear me. I can smell their terror.

Okay you can have gale today. Who's our second lynch big guy?

[Sensei]

Dude wtf? I've been literally the only person in the hood that wants to work with you. Don't pull that sidelines bullshit on me.
I pushed max and diamond too. Max when it fucking mattered.

[Sensei]

Yea his reaction WAS town. I said in the hood his ascetic was my biggest issue.
Anyway, this talk is pointless dickwaving.
Let's lynch scum.

[Sensei]

Yea his reaction WAS town. I said in the hood his ascetic was my biggest issue.
Anyway, this talk is pointless dickwaving.
Let's lynch scum.

Tell Zulfy and Titus to back off of me in-thread.
Vote for Gale.
MC vote me.

Don't involve me in your drama homie.
Meh.
Nah.

[Sensei]

Sensei, what about a Zulfy Gale double kill?

Eeeeeh.
Gale's town.
And Zulfy is a cop so hopefully scum just like NK him eventually.

[Sensei]

I watched sensei cus I was 90% sure scum would go for him or me. either making sensei survive or netting scum

but this works as well.

Pretty sure any competent scum would think the exact same thing.
To this day I'm still scratching my head at the kills.

[Sensei]

I kinda wanna say errant might of had good reads. (Look pretty okay to me even in hindsight)
But it's hard to be sure of that atm.

[Sensei]

ABR's claim about doc and bp if true would have been really dumb to claim, and as Yos said we've been aware he lying or wifoming for awhile. This changes nothing.
Also, I still don't trust ZZZX. He could be scum who tracked Sensei to try to catch the doctors.

Or he didn't track (watch?) at all?
Why throw shade on his claim in this way?
What's your read on zzzx independent of all this?

[Sensei]

Scum watcher. Wouldn't that be some shit.

[Sensei]

Pip, homie. Scale of 1-10 how comfortable are you with Flum?

[Sensei]

Also if the fire thing is scum controlled that also makes abr probably town.

Meh. Maybe?

[Sensei]

Rylai. Is there an adventure place where it rains a lot or something in the game?

[Sensei]

tfw when you realize you started catching up in the wrong spot and missed 10 pages

Also,

MC: Sensei

<3

[Sensei]

The only weird thing is that I've been scumreading Gale like the whole game and it's like just NOW he starts getting traction.
And his posts Day 1 were astronomically worse than his posts today.
(Yes I'm still hem hawing I apologize)

[Sensei]

This game "feels" like the crazy multiball large theme blitzes I play on another site.

It started off with Drixx. Okay, he's the Mod-Designated MC, let's rally around him, Town! Only that didn't happen. There were players saying he was Scum.

Seriously? A Scum MC? Varsoon would do that? Really? No. Not in a million years. So there's something "off" there.

Bit late for that now because this game is already confirmed multiball.
But what does that have to do with people being paranoid of just autodefaulting to drixx town? Explain what feels off.

The BIT vote came on the 12th. I just dismantled the Scum wagon that built on me for getting sick. There were plenty of places I could have thrown that BIT vote, but as pissed off as I was I figured it best to try it out on the safest possible target. (I never thought that someone would try to wagon you, you're so obvtown it's ridiculous.)

CoolDog can look very scummy as Town, unfortunately. My vote was real. Sorry, CoolDog.

Even now I don't really consider anything I've done, especially early deserving of the title obvtown.
Townish maybe - but this is laying it on thick and makes your read feel less genuine than it did.

So, what do you think of ABR's multiball theory?

Isn't an unlynchable SK enough?
BTW that was for sure the person who shot max.
Errant doesn't feel like a vig shot. If it was shame on whoever took it.
But it's still a weird scum kill..
So I dunno.

[Sensei]

Let me start off by saying good riddance and thanks Itlepip! Well, now I don't think that your claim was bogus. Mega WindBlast and Shadow Servant is something that makes sense wrt flavor and Skybird may have Shadow Servant already or may get it later. But I still have a lingering suspicion on you, because of the discrepancy between your story and Sky's story, which is still not making sense to me. One of you seem to be lying and your Day Vig claim definitely falls in your favor.

This is the same kind of fency fire fueling of a 1v1 that Gale was doing the entirety of day 1 from the sidelines that nobody seemed to really care about btw.
I'm also afraid to call Pip town just on the dayvig alone. But he doesn't really fit as a max buddy imo.

[Sensei]

If I go to Koolong as the MC, everybody in the party will receive a rune that is a 1-shot use where they can remove all the negative debuffs status ailments they have. The Hated status, post restrictions, unable to vote, all of that. I have to be MC for that.

This is dipping into too-good-to-be-true land.

[Sensei]

I have no idea what's going on up there, but I have no idea why Drixx refuses to post out here.
If he has good reasons to suspect Cucumber is scum there's no reason to withhold that information.

I can think of a couple.

[Sensei]

Yeah. I'm done for a few days. Sensei, clear this shit up.

Unvote Main Character

UNVOTE:

Dude I literally could care less about runes or w/e.
I think rylai is making an assumption on what certain runes can do and then thinking that the rune abr was talking about and then him being reluctant to talk about it probably can be summed up to noise basically.
Because the bottom line is we don't know and can't guess what they actually do until we get them.

[Sensei]

oh yeah the sharks are on fire

[Sensei]

I'm far from lurking Drixx. I'm literally rereading the entire fudge game and Cerb just gave all my current thoughts which anyone is free to question. Are you seriously using pre-flip associatives?
Also Sensei or ABR you both had a weird "give me a nod if you think I'm thinking what your thinking", if you have a cop innocent or something on us could you please state it now.
~wgeurts

lol

I think you and I both kno the answer to that is a big ol' no.

[Sensei]

Now we have a few lurkers right now which isn't helping. We should consider pressuring people like ZZZX to get them posting again.
As far as I'm aware its not uncommon for him to lurk as scum.

It's also not uncommon for him to lurk as town.

[Sensei]

Also one really weird interaction between flum/MP:
Maxwell states he is town and refuses to budge on that read throughout all his posts, he soft defends him an awful lot yet lacks explanation for why flum should actually be town. His other reads change and fluctuate slightly, however he is very stiff in this particular one.
¬wgeurts

I don't like this post. You should know that this doesn't mean jack.
And what's worse is there's no hard conclusion. Just that it's "weird."

[Sensei]

Like if anything that makes flum look a bit better but it's still pretty much a nothing statement.

[Sensei]

The weirdest thing about it is why does he know what the rune would do in the first place?

[Sensei]

You ninja'd me.
But even then it's weird. Not necessarily scum indicative until we can confirm that only town are unaware of what runes do.

[Sensei]

1. ABR is not scum with Max, period. If you read him yesterday that is obvious.

Show your work.
And let's talk about this because the game probably hinges on it.

[Sensei]

I've been in situations where I've had a strong enough scumread/townread that their influence in the game had an effect on literally all of my other reads.
It's called being a human being with naturally developing reads and looking at the entire puzzle, not just one piece.
Preflip associations usually fail hard and the biggest wrench you can throw into them is a good old bus.
Because for the logically minded bussing doesn't make any sense.

I want to talk to yosarian about your interactions with max. That's all. Why does that to you equate to me thinking you're scum? And what does that have at all to do with titus?

[Sensei]

Continuing catch up.

So while we are discussing a few things, let me ask you this:

Max is probably town. Flum is town.

FA has no trouble with english. Not only that but she's been playing a ton of games lately and is probably the most active poster on site during the past month. This isn't a newbcard play. She's very easy to townread.

Why did you feel Max was probably town? And why is your read on Flum so certain here?

This quip is horrible on a lot of levels.

[Sensei]

snip

I'm very confused why you wouldn't save this info to try and catch a contradiction or something later on.

I mean I guess I can kinda buy you being silly enough to believe abr's claim outright and thought that him not docing me would be a scumclaim or something.
Because that would make me wonder who else he would have thought would be a better protect target. (I can think of a couple off hand)
But he was apparently wifoming the scum and they were dumb enough to buy his claim and not try and NK me and decided on an errant kill.(?)
You're right that something doesn't add up but I don't think it quite adds up to abrscum.

[Sensei]

Kay so I'm done reading thankfully.
Definitely gonna double lynch today because why not.
Pretty fine with a gale lynch at this point.
Still deliberating on the second. Please hold. Suggestions welcome in the mean time.

[Sensei]

Scum watcher. Wouldn't that be some shit.

Sensei, tell me this. What do you think of ABR - Yos - Lowkey - Flum group? All four of them are over me right now and are trying to attack me from all sides. I just said one of them can come with me to the graveyard and Yos is shitting his pants already, and is asking why I am trying to vote him.

What do you think of a double lynch between me and ABR / Flum / Lowkey / Yos in that order?

Sorry missed this.
Too early to line up lynches like that.
But if you're going down today (and you're town) try and find one good solid scumread to go down with you and I'll seriously consider it.

[Sensei]

Skybird, could you talk about the more recent posts you were originally referring to?
Because you voted gale for feeling off 'in the last 3 or so pages' and everything you're referring to wasn't that. Mostly stuff that was like 1000 or so posts before.

[Sensei]

Mate, how people (especially scum) acted around other players is very useful information which should be gathered. All information helps, but on its own this isn't enough to base a push on flum on. I literally stated I would be rereading and looking for this kind of stuff ages ago.
If you disagree then that's something we can discuss in MD some other time after this game is done.
~wgeurts

Yes I know. But that isn't even strictly talking about how max acted around flum. That's making a statement that his read progression on flum went more or less unchanged which means literally nothing. At least on its own.

If we throw in the fact that flum was getting a decent amount of pressure early in the day what would max as a buddy be more likely to do?
Just kinda soft-defend him and be all like "meh I mean I guess he's town or w/e but meh it's cool."
Because I'm sure that would look really great for him after a flum scumflip eh?
Don't try and brush this off like it's an MD discussion when we're talking about stuff that's happening IN THIS GAME.

[Sensei]

Gale could you respond to 6302
Talk to me about who's scum.
No more noise.

[Sensei]

(also, this post is already so long I don't know if anyone is going to read it)

I did.

I'm going to hold of replying for a bit until the robot gives their thoughts.

[Sensei]

I believe Flum is a very difficult player to spot as scum. I read through his town and scum meta and they are pretty similar. He helped me understand the difference, but all of them require a few game days to reflect.

My gut read on Flum says that he is scum, but I couldn't find a case on him, I don't think I am skill enough to scum hunt him without POE. I did ask for assistance from you guys, but none of you replied to that.

Are you usually a meta reader? Seems like you've managed to get reads on most other players just fine.
Would you have difficulty going through Flum's iso and not finding things that could be scum motivated at all?
You should try - might help me see it from your side better.

ABR is an enigma, but he is protective of my most scummiest gut read. And when I questioned him about it, he scum read me. Has been attacking me ever since, and his Day 2 play is scummy as I pointed it out in (#6166).

But the most suspicious thing is how a group of people attacked me when I was questioning ABR. Started with Lowkey, then Yos, Flum and now Sky. None of them seem to have any significant reason, they are just reaching for things that they can find and are hurling at me.

That he is.
Do you think that it's more likely that those group of names are all jumping to ABR's aide because they're his scumbuddies - or is it more likely that most of them are just thinking that he's probably town and looking like the better one in your guys' exchange?
Him defending your gutscum read seems like at best really lazy reasoning to call him scum. You don't know for sure either of their alignments.

[Sensei]

Could you do a full readslist maybe?

[Sensei]

Please don't.

[Sensei]

Oh hey gale.
Full claim now.

[Sensei]

tictoc

[Sensei]

Why does that matter?

[Sensei]

Why aren't you claiming?

[Sensei]

what

[Sensei]

Yo he already claimed like 5 times. lol

[Sensei]

Nah screw that weak shit there's no reason why he can't claim at L1.
Smells like he's buying time.

[Sensei]

What's a safeguard?

[Sensei]

And how do you unlock it?

[Sensei]

Day vig or night vig? Why not use it yesterday on Max?

We were already lynching him.
Calm down for a min.

[Sensei]

Night Vig, and I need to kill a scum with it or go on three adventures.

What do you mean by this?
Like if you don't shoot scum then it fails?

[Sensei]

Night Vig, and I need to kill a scum with it or go on three adventures.

What do you mean by this?
Like if you don't shoot scum then it fails?

No if I don't shoot scum, then the ability is not unlocked. Also, if I don't shoot scum I get a perm hated vote.

This feels like a lot of negative utility to happen for missing scum. Vigs like never end up hitting scum.
And when you do you get an ascetic?
Doesn't really sound right. I dunno.

[Sensei]

The only thing is that a vig is a provable claim.

[Sensei]

Just not sure what that'll actually prove in this game.
Pretty much nothing really.

[Sensei]

Gale what was the whole point of making people unvote just for you to claim that?

[Sensei]

The only thing is that a vig is a provable claim.

And one we can leash. We can wreck scum for the bad dayvig.

See below post.
There's too much power in this game that his shot not going through if leashed is bound to happen anyway. At least the chances are good.

[Sensei]

I dunno. All in all didn't really love the claim BUT I'm not gonna worry about that. My read on gale still leans to scum.
Especially after reading that he'd vig me if given a logical reason.
That was like wow.

[Sensei]

That flavor sounds so scummy that it kinda sounds town. lol

[Sensei]

I dunno. All in all didn't really love the claim BUT I'm not gonna worry about that. My read on gale still leans to scum.
Especially after reading that he'd vig me if given a logical reason.
That was like wow.

why are you ignoring that abr said that the hood is full of scum?

I wld really like an answer to this question.

Because I'm trying to keep most of my reads pocketed.

[Sensei]

I love how dead this thread was like an hour ago.

[Sensei]

"I was just pretending to be scummy."

[Sensei]

Sensei, do you want to double lynch today or no?

What happened to your catchup?

[Sensei]

No double lynch. We need a Gale flip to prove a lot of people wrong.

Says the counter wagon.

[Sensei]

VOTE: cucumbers

[Sensei]

Can confirm I never asked them what they sparked. Even just said that in the hood recently.

[Sensei]

zzzx you haven't done anything useful in a month
just letting you know

[Sensei]

could i get an update on your reads?

[Sensei]

okay maybe a month is a slight exaggeration - still

[Sensei]

You claimed 1 shot watcher, though?
So that was just bullshit tthen.

[Sensei]

Klingoncelt - Done fuck all, but aspects of the wagon on her on D1, most notably the scum involvement on it with opportunistic joining without giving much reason, makes me consider it more like than not that she's town. However, GWS acted outside expectations in joining MP's wagon when there was no decent reason to on D1(though he did have cause to want to be lynched, but still...it's better to just not be lynched and have a trump for endgame), so that makes me uncertain on whether or not I can actually give any town credit to KC for GWS' presence on her wagon.

Looking back it kinda feels more like the wagon reaching a tipping point and scum scrambling to bus.
Like gale and max hopping on back to back feels weird otherwise because as scum they'd probably think "well this klingon mislynch is propped up nicely no need to really help and give anymore scum traction than needed."

At least that's how I'm interpreting it in my head right now. Certainly doesn't make me think she's any more town at all.
Klingon really, really needs to die far before lylo anyway.

[Sensei]

It's day 3 Cerb. Time for some reads. No more excuses.

Nice impression btw.

[Sensei]

Cerb I'm trying to engage you on your reads. You're ignoring that in favor of a flame war with rylai.

[Sensei]

It's just normally when someone is saying that they analyzed the same thing you did and came away with a completely opposite interpretation - someone with actual conviction would have at least some kind of response to it.

In other words a person with pride in their reads that have a desire to be right - not just saying things and coming to a conclusion for the sake of coming to a conclusion that they don't even care enough to defend their position on.

[Sensei]

I'm not sure how a disclaimer that's pretty much equal to "the entire list of things I'm about to say is entirely hedge" keeps you from talking about what you said or at least initiating some kind of discourse.

But, w/e. Trying to work with you at all is fruitless.
Let's just lynch em.

[Sensei]

Thinking about it if there are any forum shadow dwelling ninjas in this game we could theoretically figure out approximately who (down to a few people) could be in control of the fire vote.
But that kinda goes against the spirit of the game.

I am not a shadow dwelling forum ninja.

[Sensei]

I'm not townreading lowkey by any stretch but using vc times and stuff like that, as I said goes against the spirit of the game and isn't concrete anyway.
Scum could have just as well said meh w/e let's not use the fire vote.
Or it was only a two shot.
Goes on and on.

[Sensei]

Also there's an off chance it's not even scum controlled but I'll admit that's doubtful.

[Sensei]

Also yos forgot to mention - and this is the most intriguing thing from DP yesterday imo. Is that mollie explicitly told titus to not defend gale in thread.
And the rationale for that would be that it would make it worse for gale.
I'm sorta interested to hear mollie go into that more now that gale has flipped and everything.

[Sensei]

Pretty sure I made it very clear that if you're town to NOT give anyone else hated status and anyone who claims to have done that is getting powerlynched.

[Sensei]

In my regime, it won't be the party vs everyone else. More players will get the chance join the hood and go on adventures. There won't be any "party approved lynch" nonsense, everyone has a say in who we lynch. We've caught, together, three of the scumbags, and they are just miserable now. They are hurting. And it's time for us to get engaged with the game and capitalize on that. Sensei has done the best job he could, under the circumstances. He is growing more and more reclusive and paranoid. We need action.

I've healthy paranoia of my townreads atm, like anyone should have.
Still want my scum reads good and dead because I, like you, have been pretty on point so far.
But there's still a good amount of gas in my tank. And don't want the torch passed on until it's a person I've 100% confident is town.
Hopefully you understand. And stop trying to to swing what was something I said in confidence as a way to power grab.
There's still things we need to talk about.

[Sensei]

The big thing that I do agree on is giving everyone more of a chance to go on adventures.
I've kept it semi exclusive the last few phases for reasons.
But hopefully we can share the love and let people who at least look vaguely town a chance to enjoy the game to its fullest and get the most out of every individual town role.
Think that would be a lot better than us becoming stagnant.

[Sensei]

Pretty obviously preferred the max lynch to cooldog and I made that happen when deadline was about to hit.
I was all over gale like the minute he replaced in.
I was gonna claim what I claimed regardless.
Get good kid.

[Sensei]

I'm fine with that.

[Sensei]

I never even said that that was a point for them being scum. I want to give yosarian all the info I have on DP so that he can develop his push.
Stop guessing my motivation for posting things.

[Sensei]

I also want mollie to explain that as well so thanks for the reminder.

[Sensei]

VOTE: skybird

[Sensei]

@varsoon

dgb is voting zulfy

[Sensei]

Why didn't you want titus to defend gale in thread? How would that have been worse for gale?

[Sensei]

Not Voting (6): Klingoncelt, Skybird, Lowkey, ZZZX

scum in here for sure

[Sensei]

Why didn't you want titus to defend gale in thread? How would that have been worse for gale?

it wld not have been worse for gale it was worse for titus. who's reads have been off all game.

about 20 thousand times I have said that I entered this hydra with the anticipation of titus being willing to learn when that didn't happen at all. I told you how she is orienting the game that is why her early reads are off. she is gathering info now in a way she can organize and apply and came up with the same conclusion that I did and as I said in the hood: zulfy looks like pondscum.

my own hydra partner doesn't read my posts cos I had already posted it so really no1 does and when they so it is selectively.

fuckng A go read errant's posts then you will understand why he died. I think he had more than 1 scum in his sight.

why the fuck do i have to keep repeating myself.

Okay I went back and reread and I was mistaken.
Titus was actually the one who said "I really want to jump in and defend gale but mollie says that'll be worse for gale."
Then you said don't misrep what I'm saying or something.
So what did you actually say then? Because that was never cleared up.

[Sensei]

Skybird vote for someone.

[Sensei]

Why am I doubting that.

[Sensei]

Pirates are town.

[Sensei]

Mollie yosarian is town let's move along and stop letting scum hide in the noise.

[Sensei]

Klingon get your MC vote off the miller ffs.
And then please vote someone.

[Sensei]

Nothing in this game is really unkillable.
And I guess we'll just have to wait and see if their claim is truthful or not. No point really throwing shade on it now.

[Sensei]

Skybird needs to claim any magic she has right now.

I'd kinda rather just lynch her but yea.

[Sensei]

He's clearly claiming that he controls the fire vote.

[Sensei]

Aren't you only stumped for today, though?

[Sensei]

He's clearly claiming that he controls the fire vote.

This was sarcasm btw.

[Sensei]

We don't need your bit vote, klingon. It just waters down VCA.

[Sensei]

Kinda hard to tell for sure because before she claimed there hadn't really been a point where scum would have gained anything out of quick lynching like that.
They wanted to power up max day 1.
Day 2 was all about gale.

[Sensei]

Sure enough kling + bit were parked on the counter wagon.

[Sensei]

Still get the vibe that she's not being entirely truthful about her role anyway and just decided to claim that as apposed to the rest of her role, though, to get some heat off.
Voting paterns day 1 don't really make sense with her reads either. As I've touched on.

Sure enough kling + bit were parked on the counter wagon.

I like to keep my BIT vote with me. Seems a little underhanded to separate the votes. Kind of like betting on two different horses in a race.

Except that you've already separated yourself from the vote before this game. Admittedly before you outed it but still.

[Sensei]

Anyway the bottom line is please don't use your bit vote. It's not necessary right now and I don't trust that it doesn't also do something weird besides just vote someone.

[Sensei]

I'll take failure to comply as a scumclaim and dayvig you.

[Sensei]

I feel like a lynch on zulfy would give about the same information as a vig shot on zulfy.
Basically whether or not he's town.
If he's scum his scum mates will surely bus him (and possibly already are) and if he's town then gtmh his wagon is probably mostly towndriven till this point with a scum already on him.
Honestly, I don't really care either way but gut says he might be town. Can't be completely sure but he can't get to lylo anyway so. Meh.
I'm kinda thinking he should probably claim at any rate - especially if that really was you crumbing the fire votes thing.

[Sensei]

flavor?

[Sensei]

Yes skybird is scum that is why there are votes on her atm.
Where have you been?

[Sensei]

lol

[Sensei]

Did your scumbuddies tell you to say that?

[Sensei]

ebwop @zulfy

[Sensei]

I dunno guys.
This changes things, though.

[Sensei]

how he says

[Sensei]

quick why do you think that i said this changes things
think hard because your neck depends on it

[Sensei]

zulfy mebbe town
please hold

[Sensei]

vote skybird zulf

[Sensei]

In the mean time, skybird isn't necessarily scum because of there still being hated claims. Because those claiming hated might be lying and it could be someone else doing it.
But her messing up her claim does look really bad now that I'm looking directly at it. And I've seen scum play worse unfortunately. So the "is she really that bad" isn't wine I find worthwhile to parse through.

[Sensei]

It also depends on whether or not pip had claimed exactly how his hated worked before that point. Because it's dipping into nonessential details territory depending on the context of the post flum quoted as well.

[Sensei]

Like you said above. Depends on what she was responding to. Literally all she's talked about is her role this game so she could have potentially just gotten tired of talking about it and got lazy or something.

If that's the first time she talked about her role in comparison to pips, and if pip had previously claimed his hated-shot was permanent. Then that post is probably damning. But I'd have to not be lazy and go back to check for sure which isn't happening atm.

There's also an entire list of other reasons to call her scum anyway. lol

[Sensei]

She's been claiming to not target anyone to my knowledge.

[Sensei]

Wouldn't mind honestly.

[Sensei]

Not feeling a flum lynch.

[Sensei]

Can we not do that thing where we speculate about what my role is anymore please?

[Sensei]

Did you miss the part where that was a reaction test?

[Sensei]

Not much there, I agree. I could certainly see DGB as scum. My only reservation there is that we're tearing the shit out of the scum team right now, and I feel like I remember playing with her years (decades? ... no, years) ago, and she doesn't strike me as the "hide in the shadows and watch teammates die" type.

This only works if she has enough towncred to do anything about it.
(hint: she doesn't)

[Sensei]

That's not

exactly

how it went down but yea, further discussion of this is worthless.
ABR and Yos are probably town and I was able to make my read on at least yos more confident.

[Sensei]

I also didn't foresee this leaking into the thread either..

[Sensei]

the thread is absolutely where it needs to take place. otherwise you leave a chunk of the playerlist out and no1 can decide for themselves on what is going on.

it is hard to tell if abr is scum flipping out cos he realized that there are 4 confirmed town and 1 confirmable IC in a very short time and knew how fucked he was or if y'all are doing strange sacrilegious acts that involve flying sharks.

I am sticking with my reads for now until I am given a reason to do so otherwise. but it is kinda shaky.

It really doesn't, though. Because it has to do with role-spec and stuff. But if you insist.
Basically what happened was yos said zulfy is likely town for having all the fist techniques because he assumed that I had all the sword techniques.
I said how did you know I had all the sword techniques?
Albert proceeded to push it as a scumslip.
Yos reacted well.
I then said lol I don't have all the sword techniques.
Fin.

[Sensei]

Yos, why does skybird having a temp>perm hated make her likely town?

[Sensei]

"the way they were attaching themselves to DP in day 2 to prevent a gale lynch without pushing it themselves is a scum tell" - We placed the L-1 vote and said we are willing to vote but I just want to finish catching-up,

we never defended GWS once.

Ok.

Sheep me on Gale, I've got this game.

My main reservation with regards to Gale is they left the cooldog wagon in order to put more pressure on max, BEFORE I made my push to get a double lynch going. I still feel it's unlikely scum wanted Max dead, so that leaves me with the feeling that gale is likely town. The beginning of that push on MP waa all blank votes amd sheeping too, so it's not even like someone presented him with a compelling argument to give him a reason to vote his scum buddy.

-Cerb

ABR: you're alive because you're scum, or because the scum team didn't want to kill you. They clearly had access to a strongman last night and chose to RB 5 random slots instead of killing BP claims.

What is this then?
Couldn't be the first time the entire game your slot takes a stance on gale.
Oh wait it is.
And it's deliciously hedgy.
Yum.
Also question where are you seeing a gale push on max before we decided on a double lynch?
Or is that just something you made up?

Cool ABR. I haven't even read the entirety of Gales iso, so like...yeah, I can't really argue in favor or against, other than to note what I did above. It's a small thing, but it doesn't seem like the line I'd expect a partner of Max's to take.

Do you still think the game is multiball ABR? As in, SK+ 2+ unique group scums? Or does the SK make you think it's one groupscum+SK? I'm just not seeing Gale as max's partner(on weak evidence), but if it's multiball that entire weak point is moot.

-Cerb

This is slightly later on. But pretty bad too.
"I haven't read in depth, but it's an unlikely line for a Max partner to take." - This doesn't sound like a real thought.
"Anyway let's change the subject, you still think this game is multiball?" - Shifting focus away from gale.
Hehehe.

-

I also agree with flum that CC's behavior right before hammer is concerning.
We had two people within hammering distance ala 2x gale slash and he was pressuring ABR to fully claim on the back of DPs push. While simultaneously throwing softball questions at gale such as this.

GWS, claim the flavour of each of your individual abilities.

And the followup is equally soft and immediately retracted. Seems like half hearted distancing.

Thats crumpets.
I don't know about you lot but my role PM has quotes not separate move names. Let me check the flips to see if that also applies to them.

Ah they do.
Nevermind me

But I believe the weirdest thing. Is the kneejerk reaction to gales "I was playing scummy day 1 for role related reasons."
Seen here.

After this post, I purposely hid my scumread.

Yeah exactly CC. I said he was the best replacement instead of saying I thought he was town. I chose my wording carefully.

Then where did you start scum reading me exactly? I said I played to my Vig role on day 1. I wanted to appear scummy and still scum hunt. Thats how I have seen Vigs play. Remember Soren in the game that you are talking about?

Bad post. But enough to warrant a full turnaround.
Not really.
I've rolled strong roles and done similar playstyle shifts. Roles that you simply don't lynch - at least right away. Cop and Vig are two of those rolls.

ABR, claim.
P-edit:
Maybe we can vote GWS.

Bwhahahah
That's the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long time.

This is the reaction in question.
It's over the top I think.
Whoever thought ABR and Gale would both flip scum was either huffing paint or had some kind of agenda.

Sensei, do you want to double lynch today or no?

"Hey Sensei, you can have my buddy today but can we pwetty pwease lynch ABR too?"

VOTE: Cucumbers

[Sensei]

You're basically being accused of not scumhunting enough.

Not true.

[Sensei]

I'm talking about Yosarian who has legit concerns over the slot, you're just paranoid Sensei you don't have a case.

This is also not true.

[Sensei]

The first quote you mentioned was a post by wgeurts. The other was a post by me. There's no contradiction there, there is him not realizing I had ever said anything about the slot.

Wasn't calling the contradiction scummy, anyway.
Wgeurts saying "we never defended gale" is just plain untrue. And I knew it was untrue. Which made me look into your soft-defenses further to refresh my memory.

To answer your question though, just go read the vote counts, that's all I did.

I have read the vote counts. The prospect of a double lynch was brought before gale even replaced in to the game iirc. At the very least before he was "caught up."
You trying to townread gale for one cold vote count with him being on a scumwagon is terrible enough. Especially when you accompany it with "I mean like I haven't really read anything in depth yet but it totally doesn't look like an aborted bus I mean why would scum ever vote for scum? Gales probably town from that yup."
Then never following up on it later.

How is that not a real thought?

Just the vibe I got. And if there was ever another effort by you to polish up that assertion (which would seem like an important thing to do being that gale was being heavily pressured that day) then I'd probably have shrugged off the gut churn.
But you never did.
You disappeared for basically the rest of the phase.

Then you say I try to change the subject, BUT I DON'T.

Not really interested in debating semantics with you.
But bringing up the prospect of multiball, even if it is in regards to a discussion on gale requires you to no longer talk about gale any further in an alignment indicative-y way.
Point stands.

[Sensei]

Trade:

Useless Ornamental Ring from Baccarat

To:

Yosarian2

In Return:

Undying loyalty to Sensei

Nothing

[Sensei]

Claim.

[Sensei]

Or I'm hammering in 30 minutes.

[Sensei]

UNVOTE:

[Sensei]

I'm watching a fucking show you fucking assholes. Have some fucking respect for my life and fuck off.I'll be back as soon as this episode fucking ends, though let's be honest, the only claims made this game which haven't ended in a lynch of the claimant have been flavor claims that R&L has stated are conftown by their role. Give me fucking 20 minutes to finish this episode and I'll claim and fuck all of you.

-Cerb

IN THE TIME YOU SPENT TYPING OUT HOW ALL OF US ARE "ASSHOLES" FOR SUSPECTING YOU IN A FUCKING PARTY FORUM GAME YOU COULD HAVE CLAIMED YOUR ROLE LIKE YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY

[Sensei]

wow

[Sensei]

MC: Sensei

[Sensei]

Anyway Cerb that role is cool as fuck and I doubt that's a fakeclaim. Unfortunately we've got to lynch you, though.

[Sensei]

Yes of course.

[Sensei]

Leash them for now, ABR. Help us choose a Stump target.

^this still needs death

[Sensei]

ABR, now you're the one being paranoid.

[Sensei]

Gale was bussed.

[Sensei]

Klingon why don't you post like that all the time?

[Sensei]

lol

If rylai is scum I'll eat my hat.

[Sensei]

I'm gonna sleep on this but I'm leaning towards just lynching you guys.
We'll see.
But I don't want you to stump r&l yet at any rate.

[Sensei]

Is that Steven Colbert?

[Sensei]

lol

[Sensei]

CC I'm interested in the case on flum when you've got time.

[Sensei]

I don't want to leash them. Stumps are unfun to play and it's bad enough that we've already got one.
Not only that but I don't really trust them. They aren't town.

[Sensei]

If Sensei and Zulfy die/stump there won't be any need to lynch the Miller.

Lol no omg what the fuck is this post right now.

[Sensei]

Scum who were just given two flavor names in the game or something like that?
Scum flavor cop?
...Other stuff?

[Sensei]

Either way, that's like the completely wrong order, klingon.

Also guys. We're still lynching the third party. "We can win with town yayz" is almost 95% of the time bullshit.

[Sensei]

They will flip when stumped. If a Townie is stumped, why would you not trust them?

Never even slightly implied that I wouldn't trust a modconfirmed town voice.
Are you just posting for the sake of posting or is reading comprehension just difficult for you?

[Sensei]

Due to the rules infraction being on Frozen Angel's part, I will allow Shiro to replace into the slot on two conditions:
1. A majority of the players agree that this is okay
2. Shiro wants to replace in

Fine with me.

[Sensei]

Even if it's just role name. That would be enough for me. Considering I've got a townread there.
Some people would try and cry "scum miller, though" but yea.

[Sensei]

ZZZX should probably clarify so there's no wiggling out of anything later, though.

[Sensei]

Wouldn't miller just turn up as scum? Does the rolecop just give us the flavor name? There is no guarantee of anything. Tree stump is safest choice for Shiro.

I don't know. Not all rolecops are the same. Just cop would get scum on a miller obviously.

[Sensei]

Are you policy lynching me, or do you not believe me? You said "we're lynching the claimed 3p, claims that they win with town are bullshit 95% of the time." which leaves me uncertain as to what's the greater reason behind your position.

My distrust of you guys stems mostly from the remnants of my scumread on you.
My first impression of your claim was "yea doesn't look like a fakeclaim" but I'm not about to underestimate yall. Also the thing where you need to kill all town vigs is pretty convenient now that I'm thinking about it and would be like the weirdest win-con ever. So there's that.

Also, if shiro is scum of any kind that wouldn't confirm zulfy or I as town. Unless the rolecard specifically said Annie and Liza are confirmed town but that seems like redundant info to give a scum role don't ya think? Like that's essentially neg utility.
If shiro isn't real I'm betting that they were just given flavor names of two people in the game that make sense in regards to their fakeclaim or they just guessed and made the whole thing up or something.

[Sensei]

OH, and Sensei: it's entirely possible that there was a bit in Shiro!scum's rolecard about those roles. Perhaps like blue and rouge knew the each other's flavor existed in the game. Maybe they know x or y about those two slots, and knows they're not part of the scum team, and the whole thing about knowing 2 people are conftown was a way to know which slots whatever information they had applied to. That would make it positive utility for scum, like a free partial rolecop they could get from flavor claims.

Huh. That hadn't occurred to me.
That may also explain their overall giant focus on flavor and stuff..
(Returns to the mountains to hem and haw for a few days.)

[Sensei]

whole role card minus information.

What do you mean by "information?"
This is kinda important.

[Sensei]

So you can see basically their whole role card except any info that would give you definite knowledge of their alignment. IE win-con factional stuff etc.

[Sensei]

ZZZX when did you get notified of being hated?

[Sensei]

VOTE: Sky

[Sensei]

Lowkey and DGB claim in your next posts please.

[Sensei]

What's the count at?

[Sensei]

MC: Yos

[Sensei]

trolol jk

MC: Sensei

[Sensei]

no.
yes.

[Sensei]

Can you please fullclaim dear.
pedit: @DBG

[Sensei]

@sensei i dont care if you are kinda confirmed town but Unless we are going to double lynch DGB I wont even think about moving my vote away. enough people expressed interest in it.. and dgb is so scummy my eyes are bleeding.

Thought you were making a case?

[Sensei]

Guys ABR is crying right now at the lack of skybird votes.

[Sensei]

Though the fact that DS waa ascetic kinda sorta is a favorable thing for you?

Not really?
Seems more scummy if anything.
Also it feels like she's putting off full claiming.

[Sensei]

She claimed ascetic.

[Sensei]

It's not like they're both on the same faction, though.
I mean. Don't really want to keep trying to outguess varsoon here. But DBG's play here hasn't been stellar.
And just a plain ascetic doesn't sound right.
Plus we've already got a miller.

[Sensei]

What if I told you that Z and kling were both probs town?

[Sensei]

Holy hell.

[Sensei]

Temptation to lynch zulfy is strong. Still thinking.

[Sensei]

Your day abilities wouldn't have worked in twilight anyway, though.

[Sensei]

Pretty elaborate and well formatted middle finger.

[Sensei]

Chin up mates. Don't let what's been a great game turn into an apathy pit because of spilled milk.

[Sensei]

VOTE: No lynch

[Sensei]

Zulfy, we square now for the time you busted me outta the joint.

Just try and not fuck up again, ight?

[Sensei]

Sensei why? You literally destroyed the point of losing a day to go to Nelson.

You could have at least warned us about it.

Yeah, that's a really, really bizzare move; Sensei just made all us waste the entire adventure.

You can trade your gold ya know and probably will have ya'll do that eventually.

[Sensei]

I came in here wanting to vote dgb but that nk...that does not look like a dgb nk in any way shape or form. it looks like a newbscum trying to frame dgb. I'd say 2014 or some1 pretty young.

eta: @ yoyo - but does that honestly look like a dgb nk to you? I agree that dgb needs to claim tho.

Yea the claimed cop probably died for wifom.

lol

[Sensei]

Bah! Go town.

Tried to get ya on one adventure mate. Those bastards took ya a bit too fast.

[Sensei]

I thought either ABR or Yos would die for certain.

[Sensei]

Plus I wanted to give my other townreads some attention. We were getting to be a circle jerk and that's bad for business.

[Sensei]

Perhaps they would have, if you had gone to koorong....hmm.

-Cerb

There's gonna be more Night phases this game. Trust me.
DGB should die today.
Scumflip there means sky's probs town too I guess. Wouldn't bet the game on that, though.
Townflip means sky needs death asap.
Not sure where to go from there. But those are my thoughts atm.