Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[lane0168]

Lol no draw?! And no claiming cards?!

Raise $500

VOTE: rc

[lane0168]

Yee haw! I've been hankering fer a good old-fashioned game o' cards.

Well I'll be horn-swaggled, these here cards suck.

Fold

VOTE: Lane

He's got to be scum sometimes.

Lol still no. I'm afraid to play scum when you're in the game so I'm just going to be town this game

[lane0168]

Lol still no. I'm afraid to play scum when you're in the game so I'm just going to be town this game

If you win the first pot we're going to lynch you anyway, just to take your $.

Looks like someone made this hand all or nothing. Welp,

Call

.

Need to voice my disapproval in at least one way: VOTE: Lane

I won't win lol

[lane0168]

Because I didn't think anybody would call. I was wrong

[lane0168]

@magna. I'm not sure I understand the question. I didn't want to consolidate money into anyone's hands but my own. I didn't expect anyone to call. I want money to get the benefits of getting money. So why am I scummy again?

[lane0168]

{quibixes, MoI}
{s_s, lane}
{mm, persivul}
{infinity}

I like s_s's plan, you could threaten to hammer the person if people refuse to switch.

I wouldn't get off a lynch that I was pushing for the chance of a scum person taking my spot. That's ridiculous. If you think a person in the wagon is scum, then they should be the wagon. Terrible plan

[lane0168]

I won't win lol

So why did you bet all your money?

Could be scum dumping money to each other so they can buy out one of the bigger PRs early.

mod, did scum have pre-game talk? Do they have day talk?

A mislynch to verify this being completely false isn't the worst way to start out the game. However you'll change your mind on due time

[lane0168]

And even if that was my plan to give my money away, magna, chances are it goes to town.

[lane0168]

Yes, rc. Hugely in favor of randomizing the order like it should be.

Thankfully if you guys think it's a huge gambit and I'm partners with the mm then you guys can lynch whoever wins this hand.

I'm going to move on and go find scum

[lane0168]

A couple things have stood out to me that I need to look at and think about and then put them into words if they are relevant. For one, I was thinking mm seemed town, until you thought they seemed forced so that's one thing I'll revisit

[lane0168]

Where did I assume I could not possibly get called? I said I didn't think it would.

Fa, that's 11 hands. 1 call so far. I was hoping people wouldn't be willing to risk all their money right away.

How is my all in scummy? Unless the mm is my partner. Otherwise it could just be someone who tried to bluff and got called. You guys obviously know nothing about poker. People bluff. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. I think it's obvious you guys know nothing about poker to think that there would obviously be a call on all in first hand. You're trying to make it scummy when it isn't.

The only thing that makes sense would be if I really am dumping money into scum. In that case its me and mm and good game. You're wrong though cause you can't understand that someone might actually just failed at the bluff.

Go scum hunt. Like genuine proof not speculation cause the only thing that will happen here is mm will win the hand. Mm will get lynched because he must be the partner. Hopefully he Flips scum. But even if he Flips town we'll all hear "well lanes partner probably doesn't call cause someone else did"

You're going down the wrong road. Stop it

[lane0168]

And even if that was my plan to give my money away, magna, chances are it goes to town.

Unless your scum buddy told you he had a strong hand.

This is the only option that has a hint of credibility to me. Honestly, town wouldn't give away their monies at random like that.

@magna. I'm not sure I understand the question. I didn't want to consolidate money into anyone's hands but my own. I didn't expect anyone to call. I want money to get the benefits of getting money. So why am I scummy again?

I find it suspect that you just assumed an immediate All-In would not possibly get called. Especially given you told Pers "I'm not going to win". If anyone calls then odds are overwhelming that one person ends up with $1,000 plus in their bankroll immediately. Which if they are scum is not good for Town.
I could certainly see a pre-game scenario where it was decided to try to consolidate money on one scum via an All-in and scum counterclaim.

Given the abilities in play, Scum would LOVE to get these 1250$ abilities. Especially a Vengeful since they get to one-shot a Townie for free, meaning scum don't really lose momentum from it.

TL;DR Version: Lane, you just made the scummiest move so far, and not just because it's the only big one.

@infinity, I don't like mm. Here he says town wouldn't give away their monies random like that. I'm lead to believe he thinks scum would give away their money at random... And yet scum would LOVE to get those abilities. We've already established its hugely beneficial for scum to gain money. And everyone seems to think I'm in a ploy to give my money to mm.

But mm seems to think I'm scum because town wouldn't give money away like that.

@mm, why would scum give money away like that? Especially when they can benefit hugely from getting perks?

[lane0168]

VOTE: the mm

[lane0168]

I won't win lol

So why did you bet all your money?

Could be scum dumping money to each other so they can buy out one of the bigger PRs early.

mod, did scum have pre-game talk? Do they have day talk?

A mislynch to verify this being completely false isn't the worst way to start out the game. However you'll change your mind on due time

@rc and infinity, this was me speaking specifically to Persivul, because he will know that I'm town by the way I play.

[lane0168]

What's wrong with voting for different reasons than you?

[lane0168]

FA, if I have a good hand, am I scum?

[lane0168]

You could put a time on it. If they don't post in 6 hours then just skip them. Not the end of the world. But then I guess it defeats the purpose of you could just get skipped and call or fold later.

The mm, who said you were playing badly? I must've missed that. And why is everyone single one of your reads null?

I've got rc and Persivul town, probably biased cause I want Persivul to be town.

The mm I started to feel better about until I realized all of the reads in his readslist turned out to be null, and him defending his bad play that I'm sure nobody has brought up or thought yet.

Who is scum just following Persivul's idea? I'll find you. Unless it's just mm and only mm

Pedit: You mean I could get banned for collusion? Good. It should be reported then for sure! Best way to settle this. And I keep counting 11 people in the list. Am I fucking stupid? Cause 2 people have said 13 lol

[lane0168]

^good question. Excellent question.

And yeah mm isn't the one following Persivul I guess. Since his idea is im dumping my chips to the mm.

@the mm. How long do you wait to go full gung-ho with your reads? Why are you concerned about how we will act of you go full gung-ho with your reads?

This could be a case of tunneling on my part, but I really don't like the mm. Unless everything they say is just fitting my preconceived notion. Will consider that

There was too much stuff in rvs that was weird to even comment on infinities read list. Two self votes. Moi changing rvs to bandwagon. Infinity having self at bottom. Wasn't going to get to decipher anything from any of that.

[lane0168]

Time for little at this moment.

@moi. My foot is in my mouth. I didn't even think about every single card being out including the 3 jokers. Poker generally doesn't have all the cards out. And I wasnt thinking about the wild cards whatsoever. Realizing that... The all in was incredibly stupid. I'm the stupid one. Not the people thinking there was a call. I was thinking that maybe someone has a pair, and might not call with it. But the wilds like you said guarantee at least 3 pairs at the very lowest. And I'm the dumbass... I'll admit that here

[lane0168]

@everyone, assume my hand is so bad that I would've folded to any bet had there been a chance for drawing cards. Not thinking about 3 wilds and having no draw, I thought there was a decent chance nobody risks their money. Assume im beat by probably all of you.

[lane0168]

@mod, after this hand concludes id like to rebuy-in please, thank you. As payment I'll be hated

[lane0168]

How did you miscalculate to think that taking my money only would give you enough? What were your calculations?

[lane0168]

I just made the mistake of thinking the most expensive abilities were prized at 1000 (instead of 1250) and thus I'd only need to eat your monies to get the best abilities in the game. Does that answer your question?

Yes, but it feels like you're just trying to come up with reasons for why you didn't wait for my partner to call if that's what you were really thinking when you called me. You wanted to put a stop to it, and you thought 1000 would be enough for the most expensive abilities. Where did you come up with 1000 being the most expensive abilities? Did you never actually look at the abilities in the first place? Because if not, I'm having trouble figuring out why you'd think 1000 was for the most expensive ones. And if you had looked at them, I'm having trouble figuring out why you'd think 1000 was the most expensive ones?

Either you didn't look at them, and in that case you would have no idea or reason to believe abilities are different prices, so that's not the case.

Or you did look at them, and would then see the prices. And see they are different prices for different abilities. Which must be the case. So how do you come up with 1000 being the most expensive abilities?

Are you just making up excuses now?

[lane0168]

Nope

Why not?

[lane0168]

Well I don't know if you've read the game or not, but we're out of rvs at this point.

[lane0168]

Oh so you know. Now you're just confusing me. If you knew that you must have reason for the vote. And yet you said there's nothing to explain. So which is it? Do you have reasons? Cause that would be what needs explaining. Or do you not have reasons, in that case, like I said, we are out of rvs

[lane0168]

Good call. Which means it's been 48 hours since kappa never posted.

Pedit. Obviously easier than it is to get you to contribute anything

[lane0168]

I agree, if you're not there for the start of a tournament they just told you til you show up lol

[lane0168]

Although I don't feel so bad, considering I can't play anymore anyways haha

[lane0168]

Nope. I'm seeing the mm to a lynch

[lane0168]

Maybe. We'll see what his next post contains.

[lane0168]

I thought this game was called "I win" game I learned watching big daddy. And I'm pretty sure I win

[lane0168]

Lol straight. No draw. Easy call. Beats a q high any day

[lane0168]

Is not just you

[lane0168]

Because I didn't think anyone would call having no draws. I thought the best hand might be a pair, but that wouldn't be enough to call all in I wouldn't think. I wasnt thinking about the wilds being in play therefore pairs are guaranteed. Without wilds, the mm has A high. Not enough to call

[lane0168]

I don't like this mm wagon, and I'm the one that started it Often, the difference between noobscum and noobtown is that noobscum in general is very careful to avoid doing anything scummy, and tries to avoid engagement. Since his first few posts, I felt like mm has been rather open about his actions and stances and has definitely not tried to avoid engagement.

So people agree with this?

[lane0168]

Do*

[lane0168]

And so theres now three reasons the mm didn't wait to call. He thought it was a scum gambit, so wanted to put an end to that. With a straight, if that's true, he'd wait for the other scum. He just would.

Then he came up with he just thought he needed 1000 for the highest priced abilities... Where did that number even come from?!

Then he added that he was saving other Townies from throwing their money away. He has a straight. Honestly why would he care about other Townies throwing their money to him if he knows he town? Why would he care of he was scum? He wouldn't either way. This is a contrived excuse.

[lane0168]

Here's the thing, there's motivation to wait if he is scum or town. So the fact he didn't wait isn't concerning as much as all the new reasons he's coming up with for not waiting

[lane0168]

I guess it could just be nervous noobtown?

[lane0168]

"While I'll probably be a relatively rare sight, let me still introduce myself as far as my mafia tastes go. I have a tendency for volatile setup ideas despite still looking for the play-to-win attitude I've rarely seen. I also prefer my days and nights fast, and my communication all cool and nice (even though I'm far from being the nicest person on Earth). I'm also prone to bouts of rage rage when faced with what I deem to be idiotic play. Still, I'm a quite bad player seeking personal improvement as well as gameplay improvement.
Oh, if anyone asks, wgeurts (aka MagnificentLad) shoved me here."

The mm's introduction. It doesn't seem like he's a newbie at all. Just new here. He even has preferences for what games he likes and self metas as a little ragey.

I'm not a fan of non noobies letting people think that are.

In his first game here he had no problem scum reading people and voting all around. Here, he's got everyone at null with some leans.

Its not about reading the rules. It's not crazy to not think about wilds. It is crazy to come up with arbitrary prices for abilities out of thin air. You'll notice I also didn't make it a big deal when 2 people thought there was 13 people. That's not a crazy assumption be cause 13 is a pretty regular number in a mini. No wilds in poker is pretty regular. Poker in mafia and buying abilities is not regular, so making assumptions on the prices wouldn't happen. You made that up.You based your reasoning off of setups that you run. And yet you let people assume you're a noobie if it benefits you.

[lane0168]

Wait, is that a fourth reason? You didn't want to be lynch bait??!! You called early because you thought you'd have enough for the highest priced ability, but you also called early because you didn't want TOO much money and become lynch bait?!

Holy shit how many more reasons are you going to come up with?

[lane0168]

@the mm, why are you letting people think you're a noobie, when you're not

[lane0168]

Who was your other games with?

[lane0168]

I don't say you aren't. You aren't.

[lane0168]

Hey Persivul. Let me see your hand. I'm bored lol

[lane0168]

At least I got chicken

[lane0168]

I knew there were no draws and that was part of the reason for hoping people wouldn't call. I wasnt thinking about wilds at the time however, because I've rarely ever played poker with wilds, even though when you mentioned it I remembered reading about it.

If he was simply mistaken on the prices, ok. But how does he come up with 1000? He kept adding his reasons and making them up? I don't believe he ever thought they were 1000 in the first place. It doesn't make sense to come up with an arbitrary number! It just doesn't. That's why I think all of his reasons are just making shit up.

And yes. It was dumb as Fuck. I agree lol

[lane0168]

Honestly if none of that had happened, id still be voting him for not clarifying he isn't a noobie when people are using it to possibly clear him

Pedit. Fine. We'll assume he genuinely thought they were 1000. Doesn't change my mind because it's more about him coming up with all these new reasons for everything

Why did you think they were 1000?

[lane0168]

Maybe the original rules said 1000?

[lane0168]

Persivul going full snarky this game eh? Lol

[lane0168]

Magna, why did you think it was 1000?

[lane0168]

15 games played and 3 games hosted. And a read through your first game, tells me you really shouldn't be hiding behind a noobie tag. But it's a pretty convenient way out that people suggest you're a newbie and you do nothing to explain even that you've played 14 games and hosted 3 elsewhere, regardless of the quality of those games

[lane0168]

Where the ducks kappy? Where the ducks faq2? He hasn't posted in 65 hours. Where's red coyote? Where's bbt?

[lane0168]

Oh yeah. Bbt can stay away. Worthless anyways

[lane0168]

How is it so hard to wrap your heads around me not thinking of the jokers? I've played exactly zero poker games in my life with jokers wild. Zero five card draw hands where you don't get to draw. How is it this hard to believe?

Jokers wild isn't normal. Bluffing is pretty normal.

And fa_q2 why would you vote me over the mm? That makes no sense

[lane0168]

Lol role fishing. Well we have one person who has won a pot. Hopefully scum doesn't notice. Fucking god dammit Persivul, scum will know who to kill now!

[lane0168]

I will. As soon as people stop using "oh he talks about knowing poker but made such a stupid play must be scum" until people can understand the difference, I won't stop.

And I've been scum hunting the whole time on top of that.

[lane0168]

I feel like if you actually thought we could be partners you'd lynch the one with money that I dumped into. So they couldn't buy abilities

[lane0168]

If I was scum and had day talk... And I planned a scum money dump, how do you think that would actually go? What would be the actual plan?

First of all I wouldn't do the plan if we didn't have better than a pair. And I would've been aware of jokers so a pair doesn't mean much. You can figure this out by saying I have a bad, meh, good, very good, probably unbeatable hand.

2 options to start. Either the one with the good hand goes all in, and the shit hand calls. Or the bad hand goes all in and the good hand calls.

To me, it makes sense for the good hand to go all in first. Then if town calls and there's a chance they have a better hand, the bad hand can save its money. That obviously didn't happen.

So now if the bad hand goes all in, and even if a town calls, the good hand would still go all in, because it would've been decided its a very good hand that probably wouldn't get beat.

Considering there was only one call, the only option here is me and mm.

That's no way we would do that plan unless we were very confident we wouldn't be throwing money away. Cause that'd be dumber than town going all in on a bluff.

So faq2, why aren't you voting the mm?

[lane0168]

Lol

[lane0168]

I meant you're being worthless so far. Not that you Are worthless.

Like I never call my gf a bitch. But sometimes she's a little bitchy. Lol

[lane0168]

Must be partners

[lane0168]

Ok. Good point. So if I'm scum and tried to dump money, after deciding yes we should go through with it cause good chance the good hand is good enough to beat anything, my scum partner either would've called after the mm, or my scum partner is the mm. There was no call. So if this is the story fa_q2 is going with, there should be no reason not to be voting the mm. Was my main point.

[lane0168]

Your votes for me basically say I'm transparent scum, guys; which would mean I'm bad. I'm not.

I am [a noobie]. This is my second game with people who actually know how to play. What makes you say I'm not?

Choose? Why draw the newbie card, when you consider yourself at least not bad?

VOTE: The MM

Also a good point

[lane0168]

Wow, that's bad.

[lane0168]

Well I don't have to convince you. Youre trying to convince everyone else. If i felt like it was worth it to convince you, I would. But it's not. It's just so bad

[lane0168]

I may not be right about the mm, infinity, but I find the over explaining something I think scum would do. People didn't ask him to keep explaining why he called early despite reasons for waiting. But throughout his posts he kept coming up with new reasons for why he did it. I don't like it.

[lane0168]

Hey people, don't forget to play your hands

[lane0168]

Ok magna, why don't you tell me how scum would make a money dumping plan? Make it fit what has happened, but make it make sense as me being scum.

I'm glad the mm takes one post of mine when I have the most posts by far, and says ain't ya got nothing better to say?

That's super Townie

And jfc are you really still going on about me not liking the mm having the wrong numbers? Because I specifically said I'd assume that was an honest mistake by him. And that it doesn't matter to the overall picture.

And I agree with rc. I would probably never listen to you.

And what are you townreading the mm. Cause some people town read me? Your case, as far as I thought, was based on us being partners.

I'm not sure I follow your scum reading of me now.

Pedit. Holy walls. Guess I'll be back for that in a bit

[lane0168]

Or is it?

fold

[lane0168]

I bought back in, in exchange for being gayer

[lane0168]

Fuck. Hated. Lol.

[lane0168]

I didn't really. I don't have a hand

[lane0168]

Actions need to be 12 hours or next post. Whichever is greater. Or something like that

[lane0168]

Yes, or just make every hand 48 hours. If you can't act, then your hand is folded. With a "call any" button lol

[lane0168]

I really love the idea. Just needs a little tweaking for next time. Anyways. I can't decide if I'm wrong about the mm right now. I believe he should've clarified when people try to clear is play as newbie badness if he doesn't think he's bad and has experience, and never went and finished a newbie game. And the adding those reasons upon reasons really bugs me. Like you said, the truth is what his answer should've been. Not a string of answers.

But is he town who just keeps blurring stuff out and can't help but incriminate himself? Idk.

Really need moi to tell me in what world I go first and my partner doesn't call. And his case on me. He seems like hes just making shit up to not vote the mm. Basically doing anything he can to not vote the mm

[lane0168]

Lol

[lane0168]

When lane plays poker, a pair of queens beats a straight...

AHHHHAHAHA!! Nice

[lane0168]

I only ask because why wouldn't you vote the mm? He's got the money. Voting me does the town no good.

[lane0168]

If you think MM is scum who is his partner? Is Lane also scum?

Why did you throw my name and only my name into that hat? That makes no sense

[lane0168]

What is that search?

[lane0168]

I also found 2. The one he was middle of the road he replaced halfway through and still had a very high count.

I don't like he's posting elsewhere, I haven't checked the validity, but what are you talking about moi?

[lane0168]

Looks like a case of engaged in one game and not really all that engaged in the others. Would be nice to see him though

[lane0168]

If you think MM is scum who is his partner? Is Lane also scum?

Why did you throw my name and only my name into that hat? That makes no sense

Hello? Magna?

[lane0168]

Was... Was that it? I personally feel honored.

[lane0168]

VOTE: fa_q2

I like this slightly more than moi. I disagree with almost everything moi says. And I'm not liking how he got so worked up with redcoyote saying he scum reads rc regardless of their alignment. Which from what I've seen, appears to be true...

Also wtf still any the fire assassin meta read? I'm kinda talking myself into an moi vote, but fa_q2 takes it.

[lane0168]

^ shit - wrong thread. Can you take car of that MOD?

~Done.

Why did faq2 accidentally post here... But never... Post here?

[lane0168]

No I mean, that was yesterday around noon. His last post before the delete post was the day before. Why did he post here, realize how accident, but not stick around to make an actual post?

Theres a lot I don't like in his iso. How cases are all crap. In a "I gotta find something to look scum hunting" kind of way.

His case on Persivul. The thing I find scummy, is that it stems from Persivul's so called role fishing. Only be never mentions that as being part of his case. He mentions pers reaction to the charge of role fishing, but I feel like if he thought it was role fishing that'd be a bigger issue.

I better go check myself on this...

[lane0168]

Ok be says he's not sure if it's dumb or scum, the role fishing.

[lane0168]

@magna. I'm not sure I understand the question. I didn't want to consolidate money into anyone's hands but my own. I didn't expect anyone to call. I want money to get the benefits of getting money. So why am I scummy again?

I find it suspect that you just assumed an immediate All-In would not possibly get called. Especially given you told Pers "I'm not going to win". If anyone calls then odds are overwhelming that one person ends up with $1,000 plus in their bankroll immediately. Which if they are scum is not good for Town.

I could certainly see a pre-game scenario where it was decided to try to consolidate money on one scum via an All-in and scum counterclaim.

Agree.

This move by lane is pretty scummy. I think that we need to see the hands though to make that call. The statement:

Because I didn't think anybody would call. I was wrong

may very well be a lie to get some more players to put their money in. I certainly think it is asinine to all in on a 13 player card game and expect no one to call you. There are to many players at the table to go hard without the hand to back it up. If he has a shit hand then he very well could be trying to shift his money over to another scum.

Fold

First he repeats my play was scummy. But I've seen no reason for it to be scummy unless I'm partners with the mm.

Bad for two reasons, 1) then why not vote the mm 2) he only ever says it's scummy. Why is Persivul's role fishing dumb or scum, but mine is straight up scummy?

You have any other reads? Why vote lane over persivul?

Why vote persivul?

I am not sure if it is just a dumb idea he is pushing or if it is scum.

FA, why is lane bullshitting to cover his bad play scummy? We're playing two games here, he screwed up in one game in a way that only slightly affected the other. Do you think lane's play makes sense as scum if MM isn't his partner?

Because the only real reasoning behind his bad play is that scum wants to combine money pools. It does make a lot more sense with MM as his partner. When lane flips scum MM is the obvious lynch the next day.

Again had to be scummy, only explanation.

Must be partners

Note this quote, a tongue in cheek remark. My only "suspicion" In anyone else other than the mm up to this point

If I was scum and had day talk... And I planned a scum money dump, how do you think that would actually go? What would be the actual plan?

First of all I wouldn't do the plan if we didn't have better than a pair. And I would've been aware of jokers so a pair doesn't mean much. You can figure this out by saying I have a bad, meh, good, very good, probably unbeatable hand.

2 options to start. Either the one with the good hand goes all in, and the shit hand calls. Or the bad hand goes all in and the good hand calls.

To me, it makes sense for the good hand to go all in first. Then if town calls and there's a chance they have a better hand, the bad hand can save its money. That obviously didn't happen.

So now if the bad hand goes all in, and even if a town calls, the good hand would still go all in, because it would've been decided its a very good hand that probably wouldn't get beat.

Considering there was only one call, the only option here is me and mm.

That's no way we would do that plan unless we were very confident we wouldn't be throwing money away. Cause that'd be dumber than town going all in on a bluff.

So faq2, why aren't you voting the mm?

Because you are scummy for more than your bad play. Not only did you push a bad play but you followed that by defending yourself with character attacks (saying that others obviously do not know how to play poker) and have been almost exclusively defending without any real interest in finding scum. You also seem to be willing to throw suspicion anywhere that might not be you. That is not very townie.

Willing to throw suspicion anywhere that might not be me... I said one off handed remark that can hardly be taken seriously. And I definitely had a lot of interest in proving the mm to be scum. This is all just so terrible. Character attacks are scummy? And saying people don't know poker is a character attack? You're just trying to paint a scum picture with chop sticks.

He says several times that it makes sense me and the mm are partners, but compared to what I was saying about the mm, I see no reason why he'd insist on voting me.

And "lane can wait till tomorrow" makes me cringe

[lane0168]

s_s, a lot of things in that post seem to suggest I'm scum, why do you think I'm town?

About mm, I think he's been less careful (the inconsistencies people mention are an example of this) than noob scum would be, especially because he seems more of a careful person to me. I feel like he started off posting carefully, but once he got put under pressure he panicked and tried to over-explain, whereas as scum he would have good explanations prepared for his actions. He also seems quite willing to engage.

PEdit: I don't agree with that at all faq2, and honestly that reasoning seems pretty fabricated. Lane has definitely been trying to scumhunt, the "character attacks" are NAI, and I think most of his changes in reads so far have had a good reason for them.

PEdit 2: Oh I didn't realize that part of your quote about persivul was about the rolefishing. Were you unsure about it from the beginning?

Why do you think persivul is scum for using something you don't think is a scumtell?

It is not necessity a scum tell in this case (as there are already some knowns about the abilities themselves). I do not like the response though.

He does not engage directly with the charge - rather he tries to attack me with a BS meta charge. The timing there is extremely suspect (didn't have any problem with my activity before then), he does not actually go into my meta at all, uses activity as a meta tell which is asinine to start with and ultimately sidesteps the original issue to begin with using that charge. He also tried to cover his fishing with the statement that his choices were obvious not even giving credence to the fact that outing the decisions made tells scum exactly what powers he has and how much money he has remaining. For instance, should he say he was going to purchase the first ability then he does not present any real threat to scum but if he saves that cash for the last one there is a chance that they may want to take him out to prevent that purchase. IOW, rather than get into why his query was toxic to town he attacks immediately and brushes off the fact that town gains no useful information with the question but scum gains tons. If he were town then he would have been genuinely concerned with why I thought such information would be a bad idea to share. There was zero of that.

The more I think about it the more I want a Persivul lynch before a Lane lynch.
VOTE: Persivul

Lane can wait till tomorrow.

What I don't like about the Persivul case, is he says the role fishing is blatant, and also not a tell. Yet here he talks about Persivul trying to cover his role fishing. It was obvious. True, but what's to cover? I feel like he's just trying to pad the case with whatever he can.

Literally no one cared about the role fishing because what was said was true, scum know who the most powerful person is, there's nothing to hide. And yet hes after Persivul about it. When nobody in the game cares? I don't see anything wrong with Persivul's reaction.

[lane0168]

It feels like both moi and fa_q2 would do anything not to vote the mm. And I don't like that

[lane0168]

Idk, writing it all out like that didn't substantiate the gut feeling I had when I first read his iso. I will say that

[lane0168]

@magna, please link to one game where this satisfies fire assassins scum meta

[lane0168]

^ shit - wrong thread. Can you take car of that MOD?

~Done.

Why did faq2 accidentally post here... But never... Post here?

It was a post clearly meant for another game so I deleted it.

Yeah I know, I just wish he would've said something meant for this game

[lane0168]

I feel so dumb. I just figured out what fa_q2 means

[lane0168]

I feel so dumb. I just figured out what fa_q2 means

I haven't. Enlighten me.

^^ lol yeah I don't know either

Fire Assassin is an alt of firebringer I believe so that's where the other games are coming from

Fay queue 2. Fake U2!

[lane0168]

I'm not sure fire assassin is firebringer alt. Sources?

[lane0168]

I can't find another scum game for him.

If you can't find a scum game in here you are not looking very hard -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

What a [redacted]. This makes me mad. What was so hard about simply saying oh he's a firebringer alt, probably why you can't find more, instead of being such a [redacted] about it and expecting everyone to know its an alt. [redacted]

[lane0168]

Lying in bed something struck me as I was thinking about fire. so I came here to iso something_smart. I think I'll be voting there tomorrow. We'll see. Tomorrow as in June 29th. Gonna be a busy day though.

[lane0168]

If you reference my main again as a use of my read, i will ensure you can hold an accurate read based on my main, by subbing in with my main.
I can tell you right now, you do not want that, because its a different style and a style most will not like.

Players tell me "you troll to much in games"
This is my answer to that.

If you want to use a read thats not accurate on me, I will help you out and show you the difference.

Now, I would prefer to never have this conversation again.
I will analyze the thread in next day or so. I have given a few thoughts and I think you are town right now, but I am mildly annoyed.

What is the playstyle you're trying here as your answer to people calling you a troll? "not read the game rules or the game thread at all and troll?" doesn't seem like a good answer to trolling when you won't read the thread or the rules whatsoever.

Lol, I'm trying a new playstyle, it's called not reading shit except for what's on the most recent page and comment on that

[lane0168]

And you're right. Most people won't like that "playstyle"

[lane0168]

And I would've rather waited for a replacement than get this new playstyle from you

[lane0168]

Something_Smart also ringts as town to me.

MM is still not sure how he acted in that regard.
Lane hasn't interacted and the way he is questioning on nonsense like alts, I don't particularily care for since it was no point and him getting mad about it seemed maybe fake in a way? I am not sure on him.

Lane, what are your thoughts on this game and everything.
How about the betting mechanics and those?


Anyone have questions on me? And yes, I haven't read the thread.

Why is s_s ringing town? You haven't read the game.

Why are you having an issue with a couple of my posts. Why is it pointless? You don't think it's an issue if magna gives us a search with 400 topics, and we only see 50 in a fire assassin "view topics". You don't think the alt thing is relevant? You think that's non sense that I wanted to make sure youre an alt when someone is showing all of firebringer's topics... How is that nonsense again?

"lane hasn't interacted... " I have double the next most posting player not counting Persivul. Tell me again how ive not interacted.

Why would I fake being mad? What's that have to do anything? People acting like smug pricks for no reason will piss me off every time.

I think this game is fun. I'm not much into politics but I hope a third party wins. I know the earth is round. I don't believe in chemtrails or in conspiracy theories. I think anti gun people are ridiculous. Maybe stricter guidelines for getting a gun is good, but that won't help anything... Honestly I couldn't possibly tell you my thoughts on everything, but I have one more. That question was stupid and pointless. I have double the posts of anyone. Read the game.

The betting mechanics are fun. Wtf is with this busy work?

Fire assassin and something_smart are scum partners

[lane0168]

VOTE: fire assassin

[lane0168]

Your post was the toxic garbage magna. Like I said. You couldn't just say it was an alt... You had to go your pretentious route and say someone isn't looking very hard in a place they wouldn't know to look. That's just being a jerk

[lane0168]

Good. I've had a kid since I saw you last. Gonna make grabbing that beer harder lol. Wait, stop, don't be chummy with me lol. You?

[lane0168]

Ok... I missed the joke. And I still don't see it. What was the joke? Don't play it off as a joke and make me look like and call me the jack ass.

[lane0168]

And I really don't think Persivul or magna should replace out, especially now that I'm starting to side with magna on some things and Persivul was one of the actives, but I digress

[lane0168]

Well, l-1 there the mm. Just so you no. That means it only takes one more vote to lynch you

[lane0168]

Fuckin noobie. just playin

[lane0168]

Did I honestly just say "just so you NO"?! Wow

[lane0168]

Good point. Bbt, you get off that wagon!

Also, thank you rc for acknowledging my joke. I thought it was funny.

And also, the reason I brought up nobody agrees with fake U2's case, was to highlight how bad it is.

And I know I still have to get to my something smart read. Don't worry

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Rc, don't be ridiculous, I was the biggest pusher of the mm wagon

[lane0168]

Not at all. I'm much more surprised, and insulted, that you think this is indicative of my scum play.

I'm surprised and insulted you expect people to think you're town

[lane0168]

More surprised that people play like this at all

[lane0168]

Is being defensive supposed to be alignment indicative?

Probably. If you do virtually nothing all game and someone calls you out and all you can do is say how is that alignment indicative and get defensive... It very well could be. And the whole "you think I would play like this as scum?" if that's all you have to say, then yeah.

[lane0168]

I like your signature

[lane0168]

You come up with that on your own?

[lane0168]

Nice. But it doesn't apply to you... Who did you come up with it for?

[lane0168]

Why are you insisting rc knows your scum meta or lack there of here, if you think it doesn't mean shit then?

[lane0168]

Yeah id rather not get into that myself lol

[lane0168]

Stop lurking farside

[lane0168]

Stop lurking farside

What a nice way to say welcome back.
Missed you too.

I'll get to this game tomorrow.
Night, night.

thanks for replacing in

[lane0168]

*wingback/Persivul.

Farside/moi

[lane0168]

You calling me scum

[lane0168]

I don't really care what you do. I don't have any money

[lane0168]

If you do. Id make a list of people who are absolute no's and if there is someone that's not on any list? Then do it? If not, don't do it

[lane0168]

VOTE: something_smart

[lane0168]

Fold

VOTE: Something_Smart
Policy.

Oh yeah lol I keep forgetting to get rid of that self vote.
UNVOTE:

That vote looks like a vote on town to disprove your partner reasoning. Can go for the old "why are you still scum reading me if have your case was partners" if it came to it.

The quoted seems fake and forced.

[lane0168]

Okay so first of all, "zero scum game" is probably the most hilarious thing I have seen on this site 11/10 MoI

Ugh. I was really hoping to roll scum this game because I am far better at deceiving people I don't know and far better at reading people I do know. (I rely a lot on meta.) And meta without personal experience is like 10 times less effective.
.

No its not.

And this second part seems fake as shit too

I think moi was right about s_s saying a lot of good sounding stuff but... I gotta go see how he put it

[lane0168]

"@SS – can you explain why looking through you ISO I see exactly what Infinity called out RC for – posts that look like just being made for the sake of it as opposed to actual scum-hunting? Who are your scum reads and why are you not voting one of them?" -magna

I agree with this

[lane0168]

Do you guys think it's worth it to, once we decide on who to lynch, force the scummy players on the wagon to get off and replace them with towny players in order to keep the most possible money in the hands of the town?

Given how hard it tends to be to get players to agree to a lynch in the first place in general site meta do you think it is going to be viable to actually try to arrange wagons in this manner?

I don't know that's why I was asking

We tried something like that in this game, where I switched off a wagon in order to be the hammer on a claimed supersaint, but even that was screwed up by Anti hammering before I could. I don't know if we could accomplish this, but it seems like it would be helpful if we could.

Pedit: infinity are you copying ranger? if so why are you at the bottom?

The last line seems particularly fake considering they were both voting themselves at the time.

[lane0168]

Okay so first of all, "zero scum game" is probably the most hilarious thing I have seen on this site 11/10 MoI

A mislynch to verify this being completely false isn't the worst way to start out the game. However you'll change your mind on due time

This is anti-town.

This kind of assumes lane is town.

Could be scum dumping money to each other so they can buy out one of the bigger PRs early.

I really like this question and thought process. I hadn't considered any money shenanigans, but it makes sense that the scum may want to pool their money together under one person if they can, especially given how everything costs more than $500.

Not following this. It's a meh thought process, honestly to me it sounds more likely to come from scum than average. Why do you like it so much?

s_s - town: He seems to be genuinely trying to figure stuff out.

I would like elaboration on this, it sounds rather generic.

And to all of you who say I'm playing bad, that's normal: this is my second game here, and it's months after my first due to a quite tense situation I got into IRL. As for being hasty, I was: one of the primal needs of the human body is sleep, and I was in lack of it. I'll be coming up with a readslist as well as I can, but keep in mind that didn't help me much in my first game so don't be surprised if I only dig myself deeper and you end up lynching me.

This is fairly towny. 90 is using a lot of words to say nothing, I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative though. (Maybe slightly towny.)
Ugh. I was really hoping to roll scum this game because I am far better at deceiving people I don't know and far better at reading people I do know. (I rely a lot on meta.) And meta without personal experience is like 10 times less effective.

Hmm. I liked 91 and 92, but 93 is weak at best. Another player I'll have to meta.

MM has decent analysis, but nothing that can't be faked by scum

Interesting, that's exactly my thoughts on you.

Your votes for me basically say I'm transparent scum, guys; which would mean I'm bad. I'm not.
My reads are null with very soft leans in case you can read and spot them.

Eww.
98-99: qubixes is probably town. And I like lane's 100 too.

Not many people responded to my random reads list, but s_s responded in a towny way.

Is this why you were townreading me early?

The question everyone has to ask themselves, if you were townMM, would you have called scumlane? If so, why didn't you? If not, why would townMM do this?

I would have called if:
1) I thought my hand was the strongest,
2) I thought lane was bluffing, or
3) I didn't mind all my money going to lane. I think MM called for a mixture of 1 & 2.
I think several parts of 107 are awfully reachy. I think under certain circumstances, trying to get townread is a null tell, and I think MM would be doing so as either alignment. The LAMIST argument is also pretty tenuous. MoI is one of the few players I've seen firsthand before (as town, and I was modding the game so I wasn't reading as carefully into his posts as if I had been playing, but it's better than nothing) and so far this is looking like this could be the town play I saw, or it could not be. Before anyone jumps on me for fencesitting, the point of this is that I can't draw a clear conclusion from his posts yet.

This is a reach

yes

that is completely unworthy of a vote.

not necessarily. It's page 5, votes don't need to have strong reasoning attached and sometimes they're just for reactions anyway. I also don't like the implication that you might do things that would be worthy of a vote?

The question everyone has to ask themselves, if you were townMM, would you have called scumlane? If so, why didn't you? If not, why would townMM do this?

This reeks of scum trying to position the argument that there is no logical reason for MM to be Town when the question is very poorly staged.

I would have absolutely called Lane even if I thought he was scum trying some sort of gambit if I had a good 5 card draw poker hand. The obvious answer why I didn’t? I didn’t have a good hand. The second half is pointless given I think Town with a good hand would call scum Lane.

This is a false dichotomy and scummy. If Lane was scum looking to consolidate it is possible MM is a partner. It is also possible that MM has a good 5 card draw hand and he pre-empted scum’s plan as Town. Looking at the vote history he was the second to act.

More reaching... you don't necessarily know what the point of this question is. I certainly don't think it creates a false dichotomy.

It is also possible that MM has a good 5 card draw hand and he pre-empted scum’s plan as Town.

Actually MM would look a lot better if he had simply said he has a great hand and so he called. Claiming he was pre-empting scum's plan is bad. As has been already noted, if here were really thinking at that level, he would have waited for scum to call before going in himself.

QFT
I agree with the people who are saying that we need to see the results of the hand before we proceed in reading lane and MM. Kappy, we're looking at you.
118 sounds genuine. I don't think that reflects much on his alignment, except that there's a small chance he would continue to deny his mistake as scum.

This whole post reeks of trying to look town.

For example. Infinity says s_s responded in a towny way.
Follow up question of, is this why you were reading me as town?

Infinity literally says so, so why does s_s ask an question where the answer is in the quote? To look towny.

[lane0168]

S_s asks infinity to elaborate on him saying s_s seems to genuinely be trying to figure things out, because it seems kind of generic... It was page threeo. Really? And how do you even elaborate of you think someone sounds genuine?

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Last part, "118 sounds genuine" but isn't alignment indicative. He just was asking someone to elaborate on calling something genuine. The thing I don't like, it's if s_s uses that exact wording, he knows what "sounds genuine" means. So why the heck ask infinity? To look town

[lane0168]

Sorry about the spam. Phones and all. I tried to do it in one but it got all fucked up. Continuing

[lane0168]

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
I want to see where this goes.

@Infinity: you mentioned that MoI had made some towny posts. Can you direct me to them?

Actually I'd like to do this.
VOTE: MM
@Infinity: MM may be new to the site, but he's not naive. This was the essence of the experience debate: he's new to the way things work on this site but not to the way they work in general.

VOTE: FA_Q2

All of the rest of it is just me of the same. He's asking the easy questions. If you think all hours questions were going somewhere, I don't remember any of them going anywhere. Besides being answered... They just stop.

None of these votes seem to come from anything hes done. He's asked a lot of questions. A lot. But they never cumulated into votes from my perspective. Yes he asked questions to the people he's voted, but he's asked everyone questions

[lane0168]

Do you guys think it's worth it to, once we decide on who to lynch, force the scummy players on the wagon to get off and replace them with towny players in order to keep the most possible money in the hands of the town?

Given how hard it tends to be to get players to agree to a lynch in the first place in general site meta do you think it is going to be viable to actually try to arrange wagons in this manner?

I don't know that's why I was asking

We tried something like that in this game, where I switched off a wagon in order to be the hammer on a claimed supersaint, but even that was screwed up by Anti hammering before I could. I don't know if we could accomplish this, but it seems like it would be helpful if we could.

Pedit: infinity are you copying ranger? if so why are you at the bottom?

The last line seems particularly fake considering they were both voting themselves at the time.

This was wrong quote

[lane0168]

Wait no it wasn't, why did you care if he had himself at the bottom? You had yourself at the bottom. You were voting yourself

[lane0168]

You said you wanted him to elaborate because it seemed generic

[lane0168]

So it's a pretty shitty case. I just don't think s_s is genuine.

VOTE: fa_q2
Pedit: meh. Idk I'm not convinced by any means.

[lane0168]

Idk. My shit is shit. Part of me feels like he explained away my whole case easier than I can wipe my own ass lately.

And a part of me can't believe he's town. The original gut feeling was him and fire assassin throwing weak town reads on each other based on nothing

[lane0168]

I just need a flip. And s_s said fire's "probably" comment was his town play. The fire I know says that crap no matter what

[lane0168]

Farside better not be delaying hands tomorrow. Not afraid to vote someone over that either

[lane0168]

Farside better not be delaying hands tomorrow. Not afraid to vote someone over that either

I think it's a good idea to let someone I town read win a pot.
Not sure why you disagree.

If we're doing the chip dumping plan, then I agree. But if we're not, like today, quit delaying play.

[lane0168]

Please

[lane0168]

There should be an unwritten agreement to expedite poker play as much as possible

[lane0168]

If you're asking me to tell you the difference between you calling something genuine and him calling more than one thing genuine, there is none. You both said the same thing. Yet his wording is somehow generic

Why did you need it out there that you wish you rolled scum? Was that just a preemptive excuse if you had bad reads?

And why did you need to find a read on fire based on nothing? Why not just have him as null since there was nothing to go off of?

So you think him having himself at the bottom was real? Like you thought he might actually legitimately have himself as his own top scum read? Having yourself at the bottom of a page one reads list is no different than a page 1 self vote

[lane0168]

Hypocrisy maybe isn't a tell. But asking the amounts of filler questions that go nowhere like that is. Scum trying to look town.

[lane0168]

I think fa_q2 is l-1

[lane0168]

VOTE: the mm

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

[lane0168]

Intent to hammer either one of those

[lane0168]

Wait, I'll hold off should they get to l-1, but I want to hammer.

[lane0168]

I seem to be pretty universally townread. If that's not the case then whoever doesn't believe it can hammer before me. But I fully intend to be on the lynch wagon today

[lane0168]

I hope q comes back soon. Been gone for 3 days. Anyone know when they're back? That's a bad slot

[lane0168]

@FA: q = qubixes.

I will say that I feel really bad about my top scumreads both being easy mislynches. I think there is a decent probability that one or both of them will flip town. Tomorrow, regardless of who we lynch and what they flip, I want to look in the players controlling the discussion, particularly farside.

Replacing out is NAI end of story. I have heard this bullshit over and over again about one replace out is scummy or one is town and they are virtually always random. Replacing out for personal reasons or because you do not enjoy playing with a particular player/play style does not suddenly evaporate when you are scum or town. Nice try though.

Wrong.

Bullshit. replacing out is NAI period. reading into it more without some sort of reasoning is reaching and asinine.

I once played a game where I had to replace out because I saw my friend posting in the scum PT. Now if I had shared that reason with the town, do you still think it would have been NAI?

Do you disagree with my points against FAQ?
If so what?
Why do you think either will flip town now and why throw shade only on me for this?

Because he is scum

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@farside:
I don't disagree with your points against FAQ, I just have a gut feeling that he might flip town, and I don't feel as confident on him as I have on wagons in the past.
I'm throwing shade on nobody for pushing him. I believe there is almost definitely one scum in the players currently receiving no pressure, I scumread your predecessor, and I haven't been super impressed by your posts thus far.

Town just don't hammer like that, without at least calling out to the lynch target, even if we're close to deadline.

I was in a game where town!lane quickhammered town with no warning or indication that he would do so, nowhere near deadline, and the game mechanic made it that because he cut the day short scum won after the following night. (Fortunately I was scum ) And we've already seen that he's impulsive. So in this case, yes, town might do that.

That was so dumb. Easily my dumbest move on ms to date. Frustration lol.

@the mm, I've been a huge part in forming both those wagons. We're near deadline. Wagons don't USUALLY change that quickly although I've seen it a fair share of times. I don't have any money. People on wagons get money. I've had hard scum reads on both of these players.

Why can't town hammer like that?

[lane0168]

Day and a half til deadline. I believe the mm and fa_q2 are both l-2

[lane0168]

Quick wagon on fire? I'm in

[lane0168]

VOTE: fire assassin

[lane0168]

Lol happy 4th of July

[lane0168]

Yes we can. Pr's are bought. For the most part. And that's his fault for going vla for not feeling like playing

[lane0168]

How the fuck is that scummy the mm?

[lane0168]

Everytime I forget about the mm he says something ridiculous like that

[lane0168]

@the mm, please explain why me starting the fire wagon is scummy for hopping on the fire wagon?

[lane0168]

And by fast you mean the fastest? As in first? After previously scum reading him?

[lane0168]

Dammit! I went off a false vote count then... Either way I have him and s_s as partners. With the off chance of you or fa_q2 being scum somehow

[lane0168]

I'd have hammered fa_q2 already if the intent to hammer came from a scum read btw.

[lane0168]

Meaning, I'm ok infinity is getting extra bucks instead of mine. Even though I'd like to see how far I could go with 100 bucks....


Probably back down to $0 at least... Considering my poker skills thus far lol

[lane0168]

It has. And infinity will do it

[lane0168]

How did you decide on fa_q2?

[lane0168]

Well, thanks for your input shadow

[lane0168]

Anyways time for a hammer. I'm getting antsy infinity so you might want to get in here.

[lane0168]

Actually fuck it. I do want some money.

VOTE: fa_q2

[lane0168]

I thought about the claim. What I didn't think about was the have that was still going on. It was only 80 though

[lane0168]

Sorry the hand. The poker hand and how that resolves after a hammer. But it wasn't that much money so it's ok.

And I was just saying I'm not worried about the claim either, but that I hadn't thought about the hand

[lane0168]

Lane, I don't think beating FA_Q2 just to get some monies while we had a deadline extension until qubixes is replaced was a very good idea.
This play's either impatient or scum -- I have leanings on impatience though. I guess at this point we were all getting annoyed.

We just have to wait for the flip.

Qubixes replacement replaced in. Said nothing but "intent to hammer fa_q2" and didn't answer why. Fa_q2 was going to be hammered and there obviously wasnt a bunch of people Clammering to post. You're very frustrating. I'm not going to sit around and wait for a replacement to hammer or for people to talk. There's been plenty of time to get posts in.

[lane0168]

Who are we giving money to fire?

VOTE: something_smart

[lane0168]

Wait, why did I vote something_smart?

VOTE: the mm

Why aren't you dead? You had a lot of money

[lane0168]

Did it look like shadow was going to really more? He said he was reading, and went straight for intent to hammer and had time to talk . I'm not letting a replacement in that spot get a hammer. The day has gone on long enough.

What do you think shadow would've said that he couldn't say today? Or that would change the lynch? Nothing.

Plus you're probably scum so I'm not sure why I expect your case to make sense

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@the mm. If a SINGLE player wins a hand.
Read'em rules.
He had intent to hammer. In what world does that mean me is going to try a case on someone else? Or do anything else? If he had a lot to say, do you think he would've said hey why did you hammer today?

Why are you still alive again? Come up with a reason. You weren't bulletproof.

Also what did you do with your money?

@something_...smart? Who cares where the money goes? Where does the tracker and 1-shot roles topper go? Nowhere. Scum would risk a track or rolestop because he MIGHT get mislynched? Don't think so.

[lane0168]

Over 1000. 1160 I think. Won 1170 and folded 2 Antes. Why?

[lane0168]

Fold

Fell behind a lot so I'm going to have to re-read from page one. I'm having problems with my vision over the past couple of weeks (blurry eyes) which makes reading really hard. I'm going to catch up with my other games first and then tackle this one after.

Wingback literally just fucked my whole plan in the ass.

I need to rethink this, I have to reexamine Lane to see if that is a good idea to give him it.

I have only 80. Unless we did it twice, plus with people folding, I really wouldn't win a ton. Not enough for the big one left.

[lane0168]

Wingback would've been my first choice

[lane0168]

I've seen them all. I looked again. It'd be helpful if you just said what you were trying to say.

[lane0168]

Really? Why didn't they no kill then? How do you know scum aren't afraid of a tracker? And why isn't it smart for town to use a tracker?

What did the mm do last night?

[lane0168]

He can't afford it... So what about it?

[lane0168]

And why would you do it in mm's spot?

[lane0168]

Ok. Well I'm waiting on him

[lane0168]

That's fuckin dumb. That essentially takes away completely from the poker game.

Town, we have to throw hands today to get town enough money to get a power to hopefully use in two nights. Even though you'll be dead tonight unless we can get all money that isn't folded to one person

[lane0168]

I say infinity

[lane0168]

Here's the deal, if we don't get to use the items the night we buy them, we can't afford not to get all the powers.

If the mm bought the tracker, that's 4500 dollars left out there?

We need to get 2 people 1250. They can both get vengeful. This is the least we should try for.

2000 left. We get 2 people around 750. They can get jail keeper.

We'll go for who we think is Towniest?

That way we have the maximum abilities might 3?

[lane0168]

@mod: can abilities be used in the same night that they are bought ?

Why did you ask this?

[lane0168]

I was confused. I was thinking the mafia who killed them died. Change of plans. No one is getting vengeful lol. We get like 5 people the jail keeper?

[lane0168]

Wait no that'll be fine. I think? Idk...

Regardless. Nothing anyone could say could convince me the mm is town.

[lane0168]

Something_smart said scum would welcome a rolestop to bring it to evens. If that was true, they'd no kill.

We were talking about vengeful... Wtf

If we don't consolidate money the scum will know who has most anyways... And there will be only one probably. If even that. That's why you have more than one so the kill doesn't hurt as much

[lane0168]

Plus we should get multiple powers tonight. That way we'll have them on night 3, not night 4 if we even make it that far