Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

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Well, let's see. I caught lying scum that might just be lying dumb, I was doin' pretty well at trying to figure shit out with Math in the 'hood until she decided to go ahead and out the limitation on my role which I'd been making a point of -not- outing in order to keep scum out of the loop on it and hopefully have them assume I was 1 shot that and some kind of JoAT, and because I made the mistake of saying "watcher" instead of "follower" no less. Throw in that VA-11 was pretty much definitely crumbing their scum team and are now getting away with hiding it by saying "lol why would we do that? What? Nah that reason doesn't make sense. No reason it doesn't, just doesn't. Stop talking about us." and people are buying it. So, at this point I'm more than happy to flip town today instead of getting NKed tonight, yeh.

I think you're wrong on the crumbing thing but I'll keep it in mind. I've tunnelled scum before for days and was lynched like on Day 5 because others bought it. Trust me that I'm hearing you and that I've got an eye on them. I just think Townblock is scum.

If iraonvp has any awkward interactions with flipped scum, I'll be there with you k?

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Oh no, Townblock is also probably scum, that's why I had my vote there. I think they're also scum, and they're more likely to get lynched than VA-11. That said, VA-11 pushing that means literally nothing to me. There are two scum teams, bussing is a thing, and there is an SK running around according to what I believe is the common assumption. Honestly I think we have two vigs that just aren't good shots, one probably x-shot and conserving ammo.

Wait, conserving ammo vig? I thought we had 4 kills each night?

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Just throwing this out there: a scum

watcher

makes a lot of sense if there's a scum

ninja

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I don't have a case ready to go on Boem but I do recall having some things he said that were internally contradictory in my multi-quote when I moved on to a page and saw the thread lock indicating I hadn't caught up before the lynch. An ISO dive there might be fruitful.

Watcher = scum ninja? Game has to stop follow the GS after all..

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Drixx, Remember Space Dandy? Shaz feels like that to me.

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Someone clamed doc neighbor that needs to be updated

and how did you miss Mediums claim of VT as well?

Medium revoked their vt claim

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Opinions on Skybird

Go

I WANT SKYBIRD DEAD

Go screw yourself scum.

I think this is a scum-aligned post because Skybird does not really think that Elyse is scum-aligned for that post... Elyse seems town-aligned too.

It's just a fake, weak comeback post to appear agressive in response.

You partners with Elyse? Chainsaw feels man.

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@Cookie GS - ?

Gunsmith

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Hold up, are you insinuating that you tried to vig me? Is that what you're trying to crumb?

VOTE: Lapsa

Die.

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hebi isn't scum here.

I don't think Friendly would be familiar with "friendly neighbor" to know it was a role. Second, to outright claim friendly neighbor is just dumb. Third, I think we all know this to be true because Hebi made that claim ages ago and no one pushed them on it then.

This is a deflection from townblock.

VOTE: Townblock

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Can someone please catch me up on important things that are going on in this game right now, there is too much happening and the day went by so fast I couldn't even post last day.

Also I have a neighborhood with accountant, I am a friendly neighbor.

Oh sorry, I meant my neighborhood was with comparing realities since the replacement happened.

This is the context of the "claim", which Elyse doesn't quote.

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I think you are wrong master...

But then again i said it yesterday and look where that got me.

Ok, why does hebi randomly claim friendly neighbor and NOT ask if Player X got their message? (Are we supposing an entire scumteam full of people who don't know what a friendly neighbor does but yet randomly fakeclaimed it?)

Why wasn't this pushed until we had a large wagon on Townblock rather than when it was made?

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Sheer dumbness.

What type of scum claims a neighborhood with someone who isn't actually their neighbor? Like I'm supposing hebi wouldn't have totally asleep at the wheel buddies.

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He could have meant neighborizer as well. That would cause the flip to be correct.

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Welp after rading the last ten pages I don't see anything to deter me from breaking up the roleblocker neighborhood.

Let us commence with the breakage of eggs.

Do the roleblockers even have a neighborhood?

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...CB, you're making answers for them instead of letting them answer. I want to see this flip even more so now.

That's because this push is deflecting from scum and totally ludicrous, just like the push on you.

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Ok I just saw the post where hebichan claims not neighborizer.

Hebi's claim makes no sense. I'm there, but I STILL find the diversion suspicious. Lynch townblock today.

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Sometimes scum deflect a lynch on themselves by bussing

Or don't forget this is multiball. They might be on separate factions.

Still, I'm not wanting to lynch a player that clearly appears to be a deflection with claims so non-sensical that I believe that any plausible scumteam would have coached Hebi better over a player like townblock.

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Titus did you miss that Egg is in my neighborhood that was how he knew about the mason slip and came here in the thread to talk about it

I've lost track of the neighborhoods.

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Your motives confuse me Titus

You're right most of the time, but this feels like confbias to me.

I look at the why of an action and try to make the most plausible assumption. Sometimes its wrong. But if someone would be just absolutely scumclaiming with no pressure or reason is the theory, I'm very disinclined to believe that case. There's no scum motivation in doing what hebi's done.

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for perspective:

i had no clue till now what da hell is friendly neighbor (!) AND JANITOR

Really? You checked the flips to verify Hebi's claim but didn't bother asking what Blackstar's role did?

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Lapsa and Map Wolf make good vig targets.

Suggestions on who to GS are open.

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Lapsa and Map Wolf make good vig targets.

Suggestions on who to GS are open.

WOOPS i forgot to make a post

I think map Wolf is a good GS actually as opposed to vig

I like Lapsa, don't have your death sensors locked onto him just because he wants to kill you! haha, that's just

silly

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- Zach

Why? You expect MP to do something?

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Pardon me?

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There are three reasons to crumb

1) I don't trust my hoodmate to outlive me
2) I think the are scum
3) I think they are not sharing thoughts aka lurker

I do think my target knows of my inno. It's not subtle as I can be a little snobby.

Chart cuts off on phone.

Thoughts on GS check?

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....Who the hell was it that was trying to shift everyone to Lapsa instead?

Lapsa is a fine vote. Shading. Refusing to claim. If actually vig, terrible shot.

Horrible GS check.
Decent vig. Says a lot about his wagon too.

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Cookie Bakers is confirmed scum

Totes hun.

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We have a guilty result. We will not say who it is on. We will support others scumhunting for awhile. Do not interpret our play today as a sign or lack of sign on our guilty. We want others to get useful things.

VOTE: Lapsa

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Map Wolf is another filthy lurker

Agreed.

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We have a guilty result.

You toy with us

Nope. Batting 2/3 isn't bad.

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We have a guilty result.

You toy with us

Nope. Batting 2/3 isn't bad.

We are that awesome



~Shiro

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I have Elyse as blue scum due to EoD shenanigans.

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@ the Titus head, do you think amal's flip will finally convince your sibling that the masons are town?

At least 1 probably both.

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Welp after rading the last ten pages I don't see anything to deter me from breaking up the roleblocker neighborhood.

Let us commence with the breakage of eggs.

Do the roleblockers even have a neighborhood?

How did Hebican know Town block was in a hood?

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Lapsa is town by the way, I don't like that shit at all

Thoughts on Hebi and Map Wolf?

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If Lapsa is a doc, we can force him to visit you meaning only red scum can kill you.

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Lapsa is town by the way, I don't like that shit at all

Thoughts on Hebi and Map Wolf?

I don't have an issue with hebi presently

Map Wolf had better turn town mode on to level 96 immediately before I adorn my skeleton with his pelt

The fact they seemed to know both blockers were in a hood doesn't bother you?

Why the pressure on MP now?

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@Dunn/Zach, Why do you want to lynch MP?

Why is hebi green?

@RM, Agreed.

Hebi, Stop here and announce your neighbors.

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@Varsoon, Thoughts on Map Wolf and Hebi.

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Math, it is possible but thanks for reminding scum what they have to claim to get away

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ohh ok was not aware of that I have not played with many gunsmiths and there was not a cop in the game when I did.

GS gets guilty on all group scum minus docs and traitors
Innocent on docs and town
Guilty on cops and vigs

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The target will be told to claim.

Math stop with the confirmed guilty nonsense on Shaz ty.

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IF Mathblade keeps trying to force their agenda, they will be a good vig shot.

@Math, Thoughts on hebi and Map Wolf and Lapsa?

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The target will be told to claim.

Math stop with the confirmed guilty nonsense on Shaz ty.

No. You're welcome for pressuring scum.

Pedit: Vig away will only show my honesty and that Shaziro needs rope.

Map Wolf too few posts for a read.
Hebichan likely town
Lapsa 50/50 on. If my system holds they are red scum w/ Shaziro.

Your "honesty" is NAI. This is multiball. You can believe something and be wrong too. CCC flipped scum remember?

Why is hebi town?

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@Shaz,

Did you check a lurker? I kinda want to know if we have the possibility of having checked the same person.

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@MathBlade The main reason TownBlock got lynched is because I watched him target VA-11 Hall-A on N1. Why would I target VA-11 Hall-A and out results if I was TownBlock teammate (blue mafia)? I'm not an idiot so you can shove that "blue mafia suspicion" up your ass.

+1 if you're scum at all, you're likely red

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Math, it is possible but thanks for reminding scum what they have to claim to get away

...If a player is town and you claim that you have a guilty on them then they flip town it is "gasp" not a guilty.

The only way Shaziro is town is if a moderator fucked up and gave him "Neopolitan action" instead of what the wiki says to do. That is a confirmed guilty. There is no claim Shaziro can give that makes logical sense.

I checked somebody last night and got "tracker action", soooooo. The mod is running the role differently than you think. You can report that to a listmod if you want, I guess?

P-edit: Wait...did Math say that they have a guilty on me? Despite earlier saying that CB's "guilty" on somebody (who was actually scum btw) wasn't a -real- guilty and she needed to stop calling it that? LOL nope, I know where I'm voting!

VOTE: MathBlade

You outed my limitation on my role, are trying to get me mislynched, and now you're being a hypocrite. Three strikes, you're out.

Vote away. It is your scum death sentence.

Pedit: Boem for this specific question here.

This makes me wish Shaz was my inno.

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@Shaz,

Did you check a lurker? I kinda want to know if we have the possibility of having checked the same person.

Bad Titus trying to out a tracker if Shaziro is telling the truth.

If you believe Shaziro he is a rolecop + Follower. Waaaay too broken based on the curve.

I didn't ask who he checked. Just if he checked a lurker.

Joats are things.

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@Shaz,

Did you check a lurker? I kinda want to know if we have the possibility of having checked the same person.

Nope.

Ty.

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Yes they are.

Hebichan is town to me because they kept their claim the same and the moderator fixed their error.
In contrast if Shaziro was actually a mod error Wake wouldn't have said an NAI statement when asked. Otherwise he would be conf towning someone but he would correct it on future nights. Ergo Shaziro is scum.

Role =\= alignment. Explain how Hebi knew about the roleblockers neighborhood yesterday.

No. Wake cannot confirm someone as honest or dishonest by answers unless he made an error in moderation. To say that he "mods follower differently" would confirm Shaz as follower which he can't do as a mod ethically.

He made an error on CR's flip so he had to correct that. We are drawing the logical inference that Hebi was honest.

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@Math, Maybe it's not a "mistake" but just how Wake mods the role. Unless Shaz just "checks" all his buddies; he likely is who he says he is given no redirector.

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Welp after rading the last ten pages I don't see anything to deter me from breaking up the roleblocker neighborhood.

Let us commence with the breakage of eggs.

Do the roleblockers even have a neighborhood?

How did Hebican know Town block was in a hood?

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So what do you think of Hebi now?

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You're scum with Hebi aren't you Math?

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VOTE: Hebichan

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You're scum with Hebi aren't you Math?

VOTE: Hebichan

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I literally just explained why I'm different than a rolecop. CB, if Hebi flips scum does that confirm math scum in your eyes? If that's a reasonable connection, I'd be fine with going Hebi.

Confirm, no.

Think about it. They have Hebi as town. Math is notoriously stubborn but when I highlight Hebi's slip their read is void. The role=\= alignment did nothing. Yet this did. It resembles a bus. Confirm is too strong a word.

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I literally just explained why I'm different than a rolecop. CB, if Hebi flips scum does that confirm math scum in your eyes? If that's a reasonable connection, I'd be fine with going Hebi.

Confirm, no.

Think about it. They have Hebi as town. Math is notoriously stubborn but when I highlight Hebi's slip their read is void. The role=\= alignment did nothing. Yet this did. It resembles a bus. Confirm is too strong a word.

*sigh*

You know my scum meta. This is atrociously bad.

When I was scum with Bji did nothing but say Bji scum.
Scum with Karnos did nothing but say Karnos scum.

If anything your argument should be I am bussing Shaziro. However I am not scum sooo

I hate meta.
Your meta is not your strategy but how and why you do the things you do.
The sudden 180 there and not on Shaz is weird.

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Yes.

VOTE: Lapsa

Claim.

Hebi needs to answer.

Lurkers also need to answer.

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Funny. I have A50 as a scumread.

Your role claim would also be rigged to simultaneously show guilty and not guilty at the same time.

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Mod: What result would a gunsmith get if targeting a joat with both a doctor and a gunsmith? If that was town? Scum?

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Why would you doc me N2 when I claimed Gunsmith and you were allegedly Gunsmith Lapsa?

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Why would you protect CB even though Drixx already had that job?

No one assigned Drixx to guard us... O.o...

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Funny. I have A50 as a scumread.

Your role claim would also be rigged to simultaneously show guilty and not guilty at the same time.

err.... what?

Docs show up as gunless.
Any joat with a gunsmith shows has a gun.

Thus, you would show as both.

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From the wiki

Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns...
, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Mod:The wiki seems to conflict. Should a gunsmith/doc joat have a gun or not?

VOTE: hebichan

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From the wiki

Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns...
, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Mod:The wiki seems to conflict. Should a gunsmith/doc joat have a gun or not?

VOTE: hebichan

Hypothetically, if a JoaT were to have a Doc and a Gunsmith, it would yield a result of 'carrying a gun' because it has a Gunsmith.

Thank you.

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It's going to be hilarious if I really caught two scum roleblockers on N1.

It's possible but I don't want anything to do with a wagon both Lapsa and Mathblade want.

@Mathblade, your thoughts on the Mason claims?

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That is about the game not IRL. I do not wish to die IRL but this game depresses me to insane levels.

The sad thing is I keep trying to attract attention to die but nothing works

Mathblade, if you're wanting to die by nightkill of scum, it's probably best if you aren't yelling "The Masons are scum" and other absurdist things.

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^^

That lol

I did it to protect you guys and try to make you not obv town and not die. Which would cause me to pick up vig kill.

Yeah, no.

You're claiming you didn't believe the masons were scum doesn't sit right.

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Then lynch me or kill me. It is protown.

I have a claimed guilty.. I'm scumhunting today.

Stop bellyaching.

You have a free pass today to prove me wrong on you and hebi. Use it.

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You have a guilty on Hebichan right or Lapsa *is confised*

Tell me where to vote.

I'm scumhunting and letting people get evidence before I announce my guilty. Please don't try to figure it out.

~Titus

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Something he's right about: There's no way a normal follower would find out someone's a neapolitan.

I found out that Iraon took a neapolitan action, they could still be a JoAT or have an inventor item. I found out that my target last night took a tracker action. There is a major difference between what I've gotten and a rolecop.

Inventors are not normal I believe.

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Thank you for vigging scum for once.

Sheesh.

Seraphim is a lynch I'm proud to say i started <3

Also lim was insanely obvious town.

Hey, do you think I should announce my guilty yet or no?

@Lapsa, he doesn't feel like the towngames I have seen of him. Why did you GS him?

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Alright I shall. By now, it should be obvious that you were my innocent N2 Transcend. I really do appreciate the use of the blindfold.

I announce this because my guilty is on my neighbor, Map Wolf.

~Titus

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VOTE: Map Wolf

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@RachMarie,

I hope you got something with that. WE should each prepare last wills in case we die.

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Uh are you cop or gs

Regardless i trust you.

Bad map.

VOTE: Map Wolf

GS, it is theoretically possible you are a mafia doctor. Just unlikely.

Map Wolf, however is not town. All the town roles would at least make a minute effort to ensure we wouldn't target the same person.

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I'm blue

lol
VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

Is this soley for the post you quoted or do you have more?

I think Lapsa is scum.

VOTE: Lapsa

Pretty please can you check this slot next?

I discuss things with Shiro but I try to avoid good vig targets with content so there's impact to the game. The only reason we checked Map Wolf is because he's our neighbor and if town would have served as a method for revealing our checks if we died.

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I haven't read, but I have a guilty too people!

I am a Vanilla Cop.

DGB investigated a Not a VT to a Neapoliton earlier.

I got that DGB was Vanilla. She has to be scum, therefore.

So yeah. Lynch her too.

So DGB has a guilty on them from combined Skelda + Varsoon and shall be the vig kill tonight and lynched tomorrow if that fails.

Hebichan still needs to explain how they were aware that there was a "Roleblockers" neighborhood.

Math is just Math.
Lapsa is always a decent candidate for rope.
Same with Egg.

Holy fuck after that D1 we are crushing this.

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No wait... DGB is bulletproof.

Vig should not be on DGB but lynch them tomorrow...Even if they are town, we got a guilty in Skelda/Varsoon.

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So DGB has a guilty on them from combined Skelda + Varsoon and shall be the vig kill tonight and lynched tomorrow if that fails.

NO

That is NOT possible

This is a scum gambit

Quite possibly, but he's not likely living that long if that is the case. Faking a result to get one mislynch just murders even MORE of their team to save Map Wolf.

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@ Vall
Map first

@ CB
Sounds like a good idea though I have to say your role is more important than mine you at least can investigate I just talk a lot

kinda like I do in RL eh?

I'm best at my role if you're best at yours.
We did learn a lot by me withholding my guilty for a little while.

I love midway guilty drops. Just the other day, I dropped two lookout guilties in a row. Scum resigned.

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Nah you need death lol

Master says do not lynch DGB. Not today.

Let Skelda v DGB resolve by the nightkills or by lynch competition tomorrow if I am dead.

I strongly think DGB is town.

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@DGB,

What do you think of Hebi knowing that the roleblockers had a neighborhood?

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yeah Zach umm take away his weed for a bit

Try to avoid comments like this relating drugs to thinking.

Just a personal favor.

Thank you.

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P.S. If scum have a doctor, then be VERY suspicious of whoever said we can just vig map wolf.

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Yes, DGB is scum and is just a Goon.

Yeah, we're all forgetting the obvious conclusion here if Skelda is town.
DGB still isn't group scum.

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Don't buy it though because Skelda forgot his N1 check which is bullshit and the only positive Skelda could likely get is one.

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Cookie Bakers, what do you think about lynching a scum roleblocker?

Not today, unless it's Map Wolf.

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Yes, DGB is scum and is just a Goon.

Yeah, we're all forgetting the obvious conclusion here if Skelda is town.

DGB still isn't group scum.

What do you mean by that? Serial killer?

Yes.

It would be a vanilla role that isn't a VT and still bulletproof.

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i feel like when townblock forgot stuff it was fabricated whereas skelda's amnesia reads to me like whoa why the fuck did i wake up in utah with a pennsylvania driver's license and a cowboy hat on

I think Skelda is scum with Map Wolf.

That fake with half remembered shit look rushed as fuck to get it in and divert the wagon before MP flipped.

As town, he'd take his time and get the details down.

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Yes, DGB is scum and is just a Goon.

Yeah, we're all forgetting the obvious conclusion here if Skelda is town.

DGB still isn't group scum.

What do you mean by that? Serial killer?

Yes.

It would be a vanilla role that isn't a VT and still bulletproof.

Then lynching him would prove to be beneficial in order to reduce scum (more precise term anti-town) killpower?

If I believed Skelda, maybe.

DGB can also be leashed to kill Egg tonight and used as a double lynch while we have the bodies. That's the optimal use here.

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Don't buy it though because Skelda forgot his N1 check which is bullshit and the only positive Skelda could likely get is one.

I just forget the person's name because they were low activity and because they died N1 so they immediately became irrelevant.

Yeah, I checked the dead guy.
Was blocked.
Here's your shit sandwhich.

That's literally InuYasha to me. So I don't care for it.

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can we PLEASE lynch Map first ya all can figure out whom else later

and doc protect CB

jeeze

Yeah, at least if you die, Grandma would be conftown so I don't have to worry about it.

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i feel like when townblock forgot stuff it was fabricated whereas skelda's amnesia reads to me like whoa why the fuck did i wake up in utah with a pennsylvania driver's license and a cowboy hat on

I think Skelda is scum with Map Wolf.

That fake with half remembered shit look rushed as fuck to get it in and divert the wagon before MP flipped.

As town, he'd take his time and get the details down.

id rather flip map right now and do egg tomorrow

i see no real reason for skelda to put his ass in the line of fire for map wolf. scum have been dropping like flies, i think they want to minimize casualties.

If he has a guilty on someone not on his team, he'd never be a casualty.

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your granny is already confirmed by both me and the dead mason

Grandma always drives me crazy with their catchup method.

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Me too LOL

but I love her ♥

Amen

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Hey people. Day 1 was way too fast, ridiculously so. We should all post more infrequently but let the game go on for longer. I was in the middle of catching up and then the Day ended.

I thought it was

BlackStar

and was going to come on and vote for him, but I guess I can go with a VOTE: Vote: CCC. I didn"t like some of his posts yesterday, some of his posts seemed like they were spliting hairs in a scummy way like his, "You aren't being suspected for being a VT, you are being suspected for claiming a VT" to ira. My gut says Town on boring though so I'm not sure I can support a lynch on him.

I do think it would be beneficial for all neighbors to claim. Is it safe to assume that there is probably at least one scum in large-ish neighborhoods? That intuitively feels like it should be the case, but I haven't played a role madness game on this site before though so I don't know.

This person. BlackStar.

I would not have done this as scum. That is not my playstyle. I am very risk-averse, I'm not going to sacrifice myself just to get a Townsperson lynched, that is pathetic.

I'll get my Vanilla Cop comments, I remember hinting a lot about it. But I could just as easily fake a Not Vanilla read on anyone, it isn't like that tells you anything.

A not vanilla read doesn't divert the Map Wolf wagon..

Aren't you in a hood?

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If you get VT, then Neapolitan is useful because it could be used to confirm DGB and Long_Island_Medium as Town and a No Result would tell you virtually nothing.

Vanilla Cop is more useful because I think its optimal use is to catch Goons. Neapoliton can't catch Goons, so it is best used to confirm Town.

Basically explaining my Vanilla Cop strategy to try to find Goons.

I'm not doubting you're a vanilla cop.

Role =/= alignment.

I think Hebi's a neighbor too. (I think the vig should drop them).

You're like 4th on my list despite your blatant attempt to save Map because I have seen town be dumber.

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Also, Cookie Bakers, if you think that I'm a scum Vanilla Cop (not even sure if that's a thing, it would make more sense to give them a Neapolitan), do you think that I'm reporting accurate results or am I lying? Am I pretending to forget the name of the guy that I checked N1?

Jumping too far ahead at the moment.

I don't think regardless of your alignment you really planned out that claim.

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@Drixx,

Serrapaladin would be very likely to be red if scum.
I don't feel Almost50 is town. Just a gut thing.

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Also I was blocked by Blue scum so if Map flips Blue scum or if DGB flips Red scum your whole argument falls apart.

Why would blue scum block a vanilla cop?

Why not block boem and shoot me?

Why are you focused on tearing my argument apart when I'm clearly the only one who believes it and even then you're not high on my "needs to die list".

(That's hebi, then Math if hebi is scum, then Egg, then DGB if not shooting in those names)

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Also, Cookie Bakers, if you think that I'm a scum Vanilla Cop (not even sure if that's a thing, it would make more sense to give them a Neapolitan), do you think that I'm reporting accurate results or am I lying? Am I pretending to forget the name of the guy that I checked N1?

Jumping too far ahead at the moment.

I don't think regardless of your alignment you really planned out that claim.

Yeah, I didn't. I saw my result, came on the thread, and claimed it.

Wouldn't a super planned out claim be more scummy? I'm just posting without caring if I don't remember my N1 target's name because I have nothing to hide. I am a Town Vanilla Cop.

A claim at that time is suspicious. Just the timing. I've been trying to pay more attention to stuff like that. The rushed nature gives off a reek of desperation, something present in both our narratives as to what happened.

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@Drixx,

The watcher and doctor fuck with those types of questions.

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Also I was blocked by Blue scum so if Map flips Blue scum or if DGB flips Red scum your whole argument falls apart.

We were blocked by blue scum night 1 (with another rb claim on us, too)

We saw bacde was roleblocked night 2

-Dunn

True, there is no verification Skelda was indeed blocked.

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I actually think that is a viable possibility. Is Skelda confscum? Nope. Not even near it. That's why I have Hebi higher on my to die list.

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Also I was blocked by Blue scum so if Map flips Blue scum or if DGB flips Red scum your whole argument falls apart.

Why would blue scum block a vanilla cop?

Why not block boem and shoot me?

Why are you focused on tearing my argument apart when I'm clearly the only one who believes it and even then you're not high on my "needs to die list".

(That's hebi, then Math if hebi is scum, then Egg, then DGB if not shooting in those names)

Well I hadn't claimed at that point.

I don't know, I'm not blue scum, I'm not in their heads. I guess they wanted Townblock to choose someone believable? I know that scum blocked me.

And I'm not usually this obviously Town and when I am I don't like being falsely accused. Like if I'm being kinda lurky and quiet and I'm just a VT, fine, suspect me. But when I am such blatant Town it annoys me to be suspected.

Plus, you're right, DGB needs to die tomorrow because she could be a Serial Killer. So if you're going to refuse to vote her because of this, that's going to be a problem.

DGB is not likely to flip red but to flip SK if you're honest.
If you're honest, that still does not preclude you being Red Scum.

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@Skelda, I haven't cracked the entire game. You just don't sit right with me. I'm not going to advocate for your death or roleblocking (you could be the mod's way of including an FBI agent), but I'm just not certain on you. I'll figure out the exact narrative when I have the evidence to do so not before. I have never seen you as scum as far as I can recall recently so I don't know how risk averse you or your teammates are, or how desperate.

@Boem, They'd be even. We're probably looking at 11 not town aligned players. Why do you think 10?

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Mapwolf is at L-1.

Are we going to let him come and claim before hammering? He could be a Gunsmith or something, right?

He's in my hood. He never once tried to work out who to target with me. That makes sense for almost any single fucking role in the game that would come back positive for a GS check.

You don't want two cops or GSes checking the same target after all.

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Mapwolf is at L-1.

Are we going to let him come and claim before hammering? He could be a Gunsmith or something, right?

He's in my hood. He never once tried to work out who to target with me. That makes sense for almost any single fucking role in the game that would come back positive for a GS check.

You don't want two cops or GSes checking the same target after all.

That makes sense. Thanks, I forgot about that.

Do Vanilla Cops investigate as Having a Gun to Gunsmiths?

I would say no as it's not on the wiki but I don't think investigating you is fruitful. I think your role claim is likely legit regardless of alignment. I think that you may have faked your result/targets as scum but I have zero chance to control for that in my check.

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Hebi is also still scum

+1 This and Egg need to flip tonight.

Then we can talk about DGB.

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I can't believe you guys made Lapsa claim despite there being 3 kills tonight. Clearly 4 kills was the intended amount.

I'm pretty sure lynching the possible sk or maf roleblocker would be preferable to map wolf, but I'm not stressing, he is likely scum. I would like for him to claim before hammering though.

I think CB is being too paranoid in regards to Skelda, and I don't see how anyone can be townreading dgb at this point..

Lapsa needed to pick between vig or doctor so we can actually compare his story to his statements on D3 that his action on me N2 matched his read on me. They were not townie at all, but made a lousy check at that point because they were just going to pick whichever matched my GS result.

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Hebi still needs to be vigged or lynched after this too.

Couldn't agree more.

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Taking suggestions on who to GS.

Egg, Hebi, Skelda and DGB are off the table.

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Oh and no Lapsa and Drixx too as their result is preordained.

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No Hebi shot? I has sads.

We have a guilty not on Hebi or anyone in the pool of lynching or shooting.

Still surprised why no shot at Drixx or Boem. They cannot let us go forever. Let's try to make this go for 48 hours. I kinda want a reads list from Thor.

~Titus

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Skybird targeted RachMarie on N4. Fuck, I was considering watching VA-11 Hall-A. Nice vig, by the way.

Who did you watch?

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Goat?

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We have 3 dead red
2 dead blue

Assuming SK then we have 1 SK, 2 red, 3 blue maximum

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If Cookie Bakers has another guilty, town probably has a very good chance to win this game.

We do.

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Why the hell wouldn't ninja scum shoot Drixx?

I mean we keep getting guilties and that's insane. Yet, zero effort to shoot Drixx...by either team? They could have blocked boem and shot Drixx?

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Yup. Both colors.

I do apologize for follow the copping this game.

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Can we lynch DGB today? She's likely the SK and leaving her alive is just costing us extra deaths if that is the case.

Vote: DGB

My target last Night wasn't Vanilla.

I have another guilty that needs to be resolved.

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I wanna vote whomever CB got a gun report on

other than that well need to look at interactions tween the reds and the blues that have flipped and other players

What do you think of Thor, Hebi, Drixx, Math, Boem?

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Im beginning to have serious doubts about thor

Math I go back and forth on

Boem I think he is kosher

Heb really has not been active would be a good vig shot

I believe drixx's doc claim unless you can show me otherwise

I don't doubt their roles. I doubt why they have not been shot.

If they are scum, they are scum variants of roles.

Given MP's flip, Boem can really only be blue.

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We should have the vig shoot DGB and a roleblocker go there too. The number of kills (assuming DGB SK) will tell us if a roleblocker is present. Two scum role blockers have flipped. Any other roleblockers are likely town.

Hebi is still scum for the role blockers slip.

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I hate hebi sqweaking out another day. DGB needs to be blocked and viged and my target needs to claim...

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So one of Varsoon/Skelda is lying and DrippingGoofball is surely lying?

Only one of the three.

If DGB is one shot b or not vt town, Skelda lies.
If DGB is town vt, Varsoon lies.
If DGB is SK, DGB lies.
If DGB is group scum, then she's goon or Skelda lies.

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So one of Varsoon/Skelda is lying and DrippingGoofball is surely lying?

Only one of the three.

If DGB is one shot b or not vt town, Skelda lies.
If DGB is town vt, Varsoon lies.
If DGB is SK, DGB lies.
If DGB is group scum, then she's goon or Skelda lies.

But if DGB is SK, why would Neapolitan and Vanilla Cop get conflicting results?

Neo gets if target is VT. SK is not VT. Thus neo says no.
Vanilla cop checks if goon/vt/lacks PR, DGB would show vanilla as SK.

If Varsoon and Skelda are honest DGB is vanilla not town.

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@RM Correct

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Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

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We may wind up lynching DGB anyway. At some point I will hit a false positive. Scum murdered many of those though.

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Most likely explanation is that DGB is SK after all and in that case we should lynch her in order to reduce anti-town killpower.

We should roleblock DGB. This would confirm a town blocker. Then vig them.

But if DGB is SK she probably has bulletproof protection? In that case we should lynch her, not vig her.

We should vig to confirm town blocker or not. Even if DGB is SK, then she's not getting a shot off. If she does, scum can never fakeclaim roleblocker.

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Noo...

By vigging instead of lynching, the night actions confirm if there is a roleblocker fr town. DGB will be blocked then.

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DGB cannot be Bulletproof because she is Vanilla.

Investigation immune would show as vanilla though.

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I am tempted to just outright state my guilty given we're finding scum faster than we can kill them.

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Hebi is almost certainly scum given they knew about the role blockers hood.

DGB is SK

My "guilty".

@Skelda invest immune shows as vanilla but not vt to neo. Basically it's like super godfather.

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Noo...

By vigging instead of lynching, the night actions confirm if there is a roleblocker fr town. DGB will be blocked then.

I still don't get it. If there is a town roleblocker, there will (probably) be one nightkill less so that's how we'd know.

That's my point. The less night kill means a town blocker acted. We only get that confirm by lynching my guilty.

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So DGB is your guilty?

No.

1) DGB SK - Vig
2) Hebi slip
3) Our guilty.

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So you would think

1) Lynch guilty
2) Role block DGB
3 Vig Hebi?

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I am down with that.

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I feel so bad that we've stopped scumhunting for most of the game.

VOTE: Thor665

Give him a chance to claim though k?

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@Shaziro,

Math and Lapsa seem like good options.

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My money is on red Thor based on his first post.

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Okay, we need a town roleblock claim too.

No we don't.

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Okay, we need a town roleblock claim too.

No we don't.

But if we don't have a town roleblock then DGB will get an extra kill. We have to make sure.

That extra kill tells us no town blockers, foreclosing many scum fakeclaims.

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@RM/Shaz/Klingon, Who should I check?

Also Math is almost practically confirmed not red.

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does this mean we have wiped out the reds? or is there still one more

Mod will tell us.

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That extra kill tells us no town blockers, foreclosing many scum fakeclaims.

And what if DGB doesn't kill to give out false information?

And scum have to waste an investigation on DGB just to fakeclaim RB.

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@Drixx I don't think Laspa is obvtown. Yet, you're suddenly complaining about me having town implode Drixx. The sudden paranoia of my play is misplaced. I would say it's downright scummy but having you view my play as inept may keep me alive longer.

We have two dead scum blockers. Any other blocker is likely town.

We have 3 likely scum out of 6 remaining. We can only eliminate 2 this day phase. Given DGB if DGB is scum, she is SK and cannot send a buddy to the kill. We reduce KPN, get a strong town by role and eliminate two scum by night play.

If we lynch DGB, we still lose the KPN, scum can fakeclaim what they want, and we don't neutralize all 3 scum we are aware of.

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Also, Paranoid of me Drixx? Really?

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Furthermore, YOU LOVE DELAYED GUILTIES FOR SCUMHUNTING. Why would you tell me there's no point in being coy about a guilty?

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Ok, I will try a different approach.

You say DGB can get a kill off.
If she does, a townroleblocker claims and let's us reassess our premises.

Blocking DGB, vigging Hebi and lynching Thor is the only way I can see to contain all 3 scum.

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I mean, there not being a kill isn't going to confirm a Town Roleblocker claim. There are so many things in this game that could potentially prevent kills.

Not confirm but two role blockers for scum are dead...

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We could block Thor, lynch DGB, and vig Hebi.

Thor's buddy does the kill.

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I mean, there not being a kill isn't going to confirm a Town Roleblocker claim. There are so many things in this game that could potentially prevent kills.

Not confirm but two role blockers for scum are dead...

No, but who's to say that a Doctor didn't save and scum didn't just pounce on the opportunity to claim Town Roleblocker? There are other ways to stop kills.

Then they have an insanely tight narrative to follow plus with all the trackers and watchers...

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We could block Thor, lynch DGB, and vig Hebi.

Thor's buddy does the kill.

That's going to happen anyway.

Right. It will. But our way we can possibly lose 2 kpn.

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Shiro is now scared of you too Drixx. This seems like a ploy to save Thor.

If we lynched DGB, it's vigging Thor and blocking Hebi currently.

You just are not seeming like yourself Drixx.

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SKs should be pretty powerful in a game this large, so I wouldn't be surprised to have some combination of ninja/ascetic/bulletproof.

If we're confident DGB is the SK, I think we should lynch her to just remove that kill.

Cannot be asectic. People got results.

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Well no one is suggesting vigging DGB. Hebi gets the vig.

I really don't like your implication that I am causing town to implode when Boem RM and I worked together on this plan. You're the one upsetting the applecart and throwing shade at our slot so fast.

To what? Save Hebi or Thor? That's the only thing your version does.

And you want to out a town blocker.

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I am NOT down with lynching DGB given Drixx's shading of us since go.

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@Cookie Bakers What is that talk about saving Thor or hebichan?

Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi the only way all 3 are contained optimally unless scum only have 4 members, which is not likely given the thread.

Drixx is a doctor. He'd never heal DGB but he can save a buddy. If Drixx is scum, he has to save Thor today.

If we lynch DGB, scum just don't use a shot of Thor's ability. Boo hoo.

Laying it out in a pair ofpunnet squares seems to be the mist obvious thing to do.

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I am NOT down with lynching DGB given Drixx's shading of us since go.

Drixx protected you on N2 if his claim is correct. What are you talking about?

Not doubting Drixx is doc.

Look at his post. Cookie Bakers will cause town to implode. Cookie Bakers will never see reason. He's "paranoid" of us when we get a lot of guilties.

Drixx knows giving a did result buys a lot of towncred. I did it to him in Stevens Universe.

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If DGB is really a SK, there's no better play than lynching her today. I mean, we can hope that Thor is the last remaining scum of his faction, but that feels too optimistic.

Thor being last scum would suggest lynching DGB as optimal.

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If DGB is really a SK, there's no better play than lynching her today. I mean, we can hope that Thor is the last remaining scum of his faction, but that feels too optimistic.

Thor being last scum would suggest lynching DGB as optimal.

Not really. We wouldn't be sure that Thor was the last of his faction in the same way we could be sure of DGB.

Exactly why we lynch Thor and block DGB.

Either way DGB no kills.

If Thor is last scum, then we stop two kills.

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when I freaking doc targeted you on night 2

while giving Lapsa a pass for no reason that I can see

hey, i doc`ed cookies too!

I gave you a cop in Steven's Universe.

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Derp doc

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Titus chill seriously i really think he is a town doc, lets focus on the scum we have and we may not have a town blocker so yeah add that into your computations ok.

forget blocking focus on lynch in the day and investigate and vig at night we got this peeps,

make sure thor, dgb die
investigate heb and pere to see if they are scumz
watch peeps who are likely to be nked by the scummy types

we got this town really we do,

It is possible. I did. Confirming no town blocker removes scum fakeclaims.

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Titus chill seriously i really think he is a town doc, lets focus on the scum we have and we may not have a town blocker so yeah add that into your computations ok.

forget blocking focus on lynch in the day and investigate and vig at night we got this peeps,

make sure thor, dgb die
investigate heb and pere to see if they are scumz
watch peeps who are likely to be nked by the scummy types

we got this town really we do,

It is possible. I did. Confirming no town blocker removes scum fakeclaims.

At the cost of a Town life? Is a fair exchange?

Even if it's mine.

When scum have nowhere to go, they resign.

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Eventually scum run out of claims. You close the noose.

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DGB dies tomorrow barring another guilty from me.

Are you seriously suggesting all our blockers are dead? And that scum have like 6 people?

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Lapsa, you are trying my patience.

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At the cost of a Town life? Is a fair exchange?

it's a stupid idea. like Shiro

What's that supposed to mean >:u

~Shiro

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Quite possible although I still heavily suspect Math.

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Math doesn't appear to be reading anymore, just looking at votes.

Not even that... I think she's just all whatever Cookie Bakers is for, I'm against.

Still if Math keeps doing things like ignoring two guilties, that's like policy lynch level.

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*they're

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Hi I never got to post yesterday and have class and a shitton of work to do so I probably won't be able to tonight either

BUT

I will definitely be able to catch up by Friday

Elyse, we're debating between which guilty to lynch anyway.

DGB as SK

or Thor has a gun.

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I don't suspect Math for some reason. I guess some of his feelings in terms of wanting to draw the Nightkill are feelings that I relate to.

So, the first thing they do is spew things that show they are clearly not paying attention still? When they've been told that if they want to attract the scum nightkill they need to actually be reasonable?

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This Day should probably last a little longer too. I mean, for all we know somronr rlse has a guilty and they haven't been able to get online before lynch was reached. I know Klingoncelt has some stuff that she wants to say too.

I'm ready to fully out the Neighborhoods.

Any reasonable objections?

I have a Reasonably Irrational objection. Elbrin cannot comment on this joke.

(Go ahead I'm joking.)

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Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

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Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

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Nah, it should be roleblock DGB. We know she CAN be roleblocked.

We don't know if Thor can be.

I still don't understand why you insist that Thor gets lynched today. DrippingGoofball is outed SK/Goon at this point. Thor is going nowhere.

I don't understand why you insist on DGB when it's the suboptimal play.

1) DGB can be blocked. Thor might be ascetic.
2) Lynching Thor and vigging Hebi might stop two teams kills.
3) Thor can talk his way out of this if not threatened with rope, DGB cannot.
4) We need to eliminate as many scum actions as possible.
5) The people pushing for lynching DGB are all people who I have taken issue with, have mild paranoia of and have thrown shade my way minus you.

1) If Thor is ascetic, then he's immune to all actions besides NK - that would also include gunsmith check I presume? So, no.
2) Vigging is irrelevant in terms of stopping kills?
3) LOL nope
4) That's my argument for lynching DGB today, one less dead townie tomorrow if she's a SK
5) Oh, thanks for kind words. By the way, I don't share that paranoia

1) Point taken here.
2) It's irrelevant on this day. It's not for tomorrow.
3) Really, if you just let him go, he has all day to try and think of a fake claim.
4) And Thor is optimal for that reason. We went over this.
5) You're welcome. The amount of insults that Drixx has thrown towards my townplay, Lapsa did that, Skelda has too (or maybe just one, I am a little tired).

There's absolutely zero reason for being deadset on DGB being the lynch BEFORE Thor claims.

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my hood is getting very lonely

I blame Egg and team red

they have to be scummy neighbors don't they.

I wanted MP to be town so bad...

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Hi I never got to post yesterday and have class and a shitton of work to do so I probably won't be able to tonight either

BUT

I will definitely be able to catch up by Friday

Elyse, we're debating between which guilty to lynch anyway.

DGB as SK

or Thor has a gun.

Swaggy

VOTE: Thor665

Skelda as scumbuddy for wanting to lynch DGB instead to prevent kills. SK can crosskill. It's better to lynch team maf than SK.

Unless Skelda is cleared or something which might have happened while I've been away

Terrible post. Please keep up Elyse. Look at the game state and tell me you honestly think that an SK is going to shoot scum. Scum are lined up so deep that strong town players are going after each other about the optimal order and actions to take in removing them. The only chance an outed SK has to further their wincon at this point is to avoid being lynched and use their Kill to help take out the town and hope for a town-scum-sk or scum-scum-sk kingmaker scenario where they get crowned. That's literally the only path to victory assuming DGB is indeed SK.

So why would DGB take any shot that was not a very strong town read?

So if the SK isn't going to be leashed (you think DGB could be leashed?) and isn't going to kill scum, then why keep that KPN in the game?

For all our disagreements, we agree that DGB is unlikely to shoot scum.

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OK, Thor's results are utter shit. No one visited Egg? Egg was almost certainly the vig shot.

Thor rolecopped the dead guy.

Thor was roleblocked n2 on getting a gunsmith result on DGB.

He role blocked the dead guy.

Do we really think Thor was blocked n2 when both scum blockers were accounted for?

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Whoops...

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We may wind up lynching DGB anyway. At some point I will hit a false positive. Scum murdered many of those though.

And I suppose you weren't listening when all of d1 I fucking said gunsmiths are used to create innocents not find guilties.

I was listening. We just have a different theory to gunsmith as you'll see evidenced by the litany of guilties.

What do you think of Thor's claim?

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The only valid info is - Egg was a SK shot.
That's good info to have.
Proceed with the derp.

So your theory is the vig derped and shot town while the SK is being Mr. Nice guy?

What's your read on Hebi? Math?

Do you agree that Math is unlikely red scum?

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Scum are lined up so deep that strong town players are going after each other about the optimal order and actions to take in removing them.

Are there more conf scum than DGB and Thor? I know Thor has a gunsmith guilty and claimed JOAT but why is DGB conf-SK?

I know I'll get these answers upon reading but if we do have caughtscum then you're right in that the SK would probably shoot town.

Hebi is highly probably scum because they knew about the role blockers being in a neighborhood.

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@Math, Why wouldn't Thor flip red? Or would a red flip not be buddying the SK?

@Thor, Redirector is impossible. I am waiting on Rachmarie to weigh in on your claim.

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@Shaziro,

Math and Lapsa seem like good options.

I am a horrible option. I already crumbed what I am many times. If people can't see it is their stupidity. I suggest no one visit me except scum. I have my supply of apples.

You seem to want to die. You don't want doctor heals or cops.

Do you have any useful feedback for us or are you AtEing?

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@Thor, Can you do a read list?

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I hope coming at it from another angle helps. We want the same thing, except you want to try and hit a grand slam and hope all your speculation turns out correct, while I'm happy to hit a single RBI and take the significant win probability increase rather than gamble with so many variables unaccountable.

I agree on the risk aversion sentiment.

The points of failure I disagree on. If you're town, we define failure VERY differently. I will also comment more on why I played this the way I did post decision on lynch.

With the understanding that if you are town you prefer DGB, can you comment on Thor's claim and it's likelihood of being town?

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Math doesn't appear to be reading anymore, just looking at votes.

I do read. When I have time I do VCA. Titus knows this.

VCA is shit with guilties. We've been playing follow the cops.

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Work break super short today. Way too many posts to catch up on. Computer is at home so can't update chart yet guys.

Looks like my Valhalla crumbing blue theory was off based on flips. Like Skelda as scum. If DGB scum they are opposite alignments based on D2 VCA.

Haven't read anything in thread today but since Valhalla is town Skelda likely blue for hopping on CC's wagon off to DGB then back onto CC towards end.

Suspect Titus + DGB as red.

VOTE: Skelda

Titus outed Map Wolf as guilty and he flipped red scum. You're not making any sense.

Choo choo all aboard the Titus bus train. Titus rarely busses as scum but when she does she does it effectively. Are you seriously expecting me to believe Titus has 4 "guilties " in a row? A shit ton of people have flipped JoAT.

So you're arguing that I am red scum that eliminated my neighbor for shits and giggles?

Plus my results have been

Guilty - CCC
Inno - Transcend
Guilty - Map
Guilty - Thor

That's not 4 guilties in a row.

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CB I'm gonna stick to sheepin' you. When we get the flip today, I can sit back and do the math that night to figure out what the flip means, but right now I can't do much.

You can do plenty. I want you to follow Math please. They are driving me insane with their comments. It's one thing to disagree but they have been on the moon since Day 2. I would like someone I trust to have information on them.

I am still debating DGB v Thor and wanting Drixx's analysis on Thor's claim. Your input is also appreciated.

I would like you to tell me what you need to be at your best.

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Will think on these comments. Work calls.

[Cookie Bakers]

OK, I am fine with lynching DGB. Thor should be vigged with Hebi blocked IMO. Thor's claim does not make an ounce of sense. I don't 100% like this order on the off chance of a Drixx Thor team, but it's not the worst thing in the world. The important thing is that we agree on who is town and who is scum. It's not worth ripping town up to get those few shreads of optimization.

However, this conflict is important because Thor's teammates (if scum) will desperately push to lynch DGB. I still am like 95% sure Thor is scum. Yet, I understand wanting to take the safe route given DGB did not shoot Hebichan.

The conflict existing is necessary to give scum the appearance Thor may be lynched although if health needed it lynch DGB. I am not queen Titus. My role as obvtown is to get the best of town. I fully expect to die each night and try to set players up accordingly in this setup. Do I fail sometimes? Sure. That's ok.

Despite me not believing Drixx completely, when he discusses logic, Drixx is doing it well. I'm still thinking the manner in which he presents his points could be scum, but I respect how he does it. Groupthink is bad.

Compare with Math who appears to be arguing from illogical assumptions and tries to create scenarios to support those.

It's 100% ok to disagree, but just lay out facts. Don't fit them to anything.

My vote stays on Thor because it is my preference but if you disagree on optimal strategy, vote DGB.

[Cookie Bakers]

Actually Nacho IS pretty awesome but he is not in the game

RM, if I die get Thor and Hebi for me.

Also, don't clear Drixx for doccing me. He's real familiar with how doc inventions can buy town loyalty.

[Cookie Bakers]

All of town should worship my nachos because nachos are awesome and I say they are the most important thing even though the wiki doesn't have a single entry on nachos. I think my fingers get stuck in my keyboard though.

Too much nacho cheese.

This is definitely not a parody of Cookie Bakers and their shit to demonstrate a point.

Parody of what?