This.In post 8, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg.
I can't wait until I wake up to 20 pages to read :/
VOTE: SJ
OMGUS
This.In post 8, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg.
So light SR on SJ?In post 34, Bell wrote:Was thinking if your alignment in this game motivated you to read that game.
It seems like you tried to grasp their characteristics.
Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.In post 41, SJReaver wrote: Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?
Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?
That's really not what I said though, was it...In post 45, superbowl9 wrote:Disagree low activity players are better for scum to have around.In post 43, Town looter wrote:Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.Elimming a high activity slot just for info is not a good idea
I might be chasing at shadows, but how do you know there is only one faction? The information that I can see specifies 5 mafia. Does that specifically exclude a group of 2 and a group of 3?In post 60, Fwesnid wrote:@Mod It should be 11 to lynch, I'm voting for Bell while Glitch is not, and superbowl is voting for Glitch.
Yes there are exactly 16 town, and exactly 5 mafia of one faction.In post 11, SJReaver wrote: This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?
Full and odd-night vigilantes should almost always be shooting night 1. X-shot is pretty situational.
superbowl's two recent posts ping.
Fair enough. I wasn't, but as good a vote as any right now. I was mostly trying to get out of RVS because I am not really a fan of the phase.In post 58, 72offsuit wrote:This pings me. Enough for a serious vote.In post 35, Town looter wrote:So light SR on SJ?In post 34, Bell wrote:Was thinking if your alignment in this game motivated you to read that game.
It seems like you tried to grasp their characteristics.
Its like town looter is hoping for it to be a SR.
TownLooter
From my experience with her, I would suggest the former.In post 82, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.
Cool cool cool.In post 86, Nero Cain wrote:yes. Mafia is mad watered down and town gets fed info.
In post 167, superbowl9 wrote: Ah yes, the scum distancing on pg 5 of a large game strat.
I agree with these trains of thought.In post 170, Nero Cain wrote:use your words. It sucks b/c ?????In post 147, stan1ey wrote:Ya this Marshall wagon sucks
Is this scum playing both ends in the middle? He's basically accusing norway and super of scum theatre but was careful not to outright say that. Am I the only one that got this impression?In post 165, stan1ey wrote:This argument between you two feels forced af
Why do you say that?In post 239, NoPowerOverMe wrote:town looter is a good wagon.
In addition to aforementioned discussion on Norwegian's reactions, he also put a vote on someone who has gone VLA. That doesn't seem very productive in a large game.In post 284, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway let's stop talking about that. It will just waste time.
I'm reconsidering Stan based on NPOM's statement on them so i'll go back here for now. VOTE: Bell
Yeah, I am not going to pretend it is in anyway a strong or high accuracy read. Basically my thought process was "Superbowl misrepped me slightly, i'll call him out on it and see what happens with other responses to the situation". Both MM and Fwesnid included negative responses to Superbowl after that. Fwesnid's was probably more direct (hence a slightly stronger read), but MM was the one who had a wagon so I jumped on that. It was a shit case, but pretty sure 99.9% of cases in the first 10 pages of a large are going to be.In post 383, Glitch wrote:Is this what you're talking about when you said you threw a tiny bit of shade at superbowl? How is this throwing a tiny bit of shade? This is the only time you've addressed SB in the game:In post 144, Town looter wrote:For me it's because I threw a tiny amount of shade at superbowl as a bit of a reaction test and got two small nibbles.Can you please clarify: where did you throw a tiny bit of shade on SB, and where was MM's response to that which made you decide to vote for him? Who was the other person who took your "bait?" This seems like a really weak argument worthy of voting for because I don't see anything indicating that you actually threw shade at SB and especially don't see anywhere where MM gave a reaction to that. And yet somehow MM gave enough reaction to vote for him?In post 47, Town looter wrote:That's really not what I said though, was it...In post 45, superbowl9 wrote:Disagree low activity players are better for scum to have around.In post 43, Town looter wrote:Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.Elimming a high activity slot just for info is not a good idea
+1.In post 425, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:This whole argument between Nero, NoPower and Norwee on pages 12-14 will be very interesting to look at when one of them flips, but for now, it's only giving me a headache lol
Random question, but do you feel like you have learned and improved since our last foray together? I feel like you have, so follow up question is what are your new, er, skills (for lack of a better term/phrase)?In post 458, SJReaver wrote:I read Nero and Bell as strong town.
I want to town read Glitch, but I'm lazy and for some reason when I read his posts, my eyes start to glaze over. I'll give him light town points and hope someone else points out if he's scummy.
72, Townlooter, Cat Scratch, and superbowl are all light town reads as well.
I expect more people to read 72 as scum the more he posts, but I went through a newbie game where he was miseliminated, and tends to be all over the place.
Yep, I agree, assuming she maintains similar meta between altsIn post 508, Bell wrote:I think you’re town.In post 506, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:*snip*
yeah you're going to have to bring concrete examples, I have read his ISO many times
*snip*
Because I didn't think the Nero/Norwegian discussion was in anyway helpful for the game.In post 517, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Wondering why looter voted Norway then advocated nero to lay off him.
Eh, I am fairly sure you didn't suck in that game, given your reads were good and you won the game for town in GLo. If anyone fits the suck criteria it'd be myself and luncheon given the quality of our reads.In post 551, SJReaver wrote:The game ended two days ago. Is there something you think I should have learned?In post 507, Town looter wrote: Random question, but do you feel like you have learned and improved since our last foray together? I feel like you have, so follow up question is what are your new, er, skills (for lack of a better term/phrase)?
Dead chat didn't like me and thought I was scum. But I wasn't scum and I managed to survive to the end and get both the mafia members.
I guess 'you can suck and still win' is a lesson.
No worries, and thanks.In post 553, SJReaver wrote:Also: sorry for the quickhammer, Townlooter. I forgive all the bad words you said when you read that and most of the bad things you thought.
Oh and I meant learned/improved as a result of our game.In post 551, SJReaver wrote:The game ended two days ago. Is there something you think I should have learned?In post 507, Town looter wrote: Random question, but do you feel like you have learned and improved since our last foray together? I feel like you have, so follow up question is what are your new, er, skills (for lack of a better term/phrase)?
Dead chat didn't like me and thought I was scum. But I wasn't scum and I managed to survive to the end and get both the mafia members.
I guess 'you can suck and still win' is a lesson.
Mostly because he had no reason to go back and call himself out about being my second nibble. I also feel like his response to my shitty case, seems genuine.In post 559, Glitch wrote:What is it about 384 makes you have a reasonably strong TR? 384 seems fluffy and null to me.In post 436, Town looter wrote:Fwesnid I have actually flipped based on 384, and have a reasonably strong town read on them.
Yeah, any SR on you I have is wafer thin - It's more a product of my currently favoured Town!Nero scenario. I don't really get your argument against him - I see a fairly brash, antagonistic type trying to build pressure on people. Could be full of shit, but at this stage feels town to me. I also liked his logic more in the whole Stanley/Superbowl/Norwegian/Nero thing.In post 559, Glitch wrote:This feels like such a good, genuine effort but it's just really off. I get where you're coming from, and if you want to SR me for my own actions that's fine and we can totally talk about it, but your SR of me because of my TR on your top SR is a very weak association argument, and from your post, you know that. Your entire argument is a stretch and instead of making a self-admittedly weak case, I think it would be best to try and push elsewhere with stronger reasoning.In post 438, Town looter wrote:Bleh, just as I was starting to get a gut scum feeling about Superbowl (SB), MM throws a proper case together and is going to make it look like I am sheeping (for the 2nd or 3rd time in this game ).
My read started after re-reading the Stanley interaction. I think Scum!SB genuinely thinks it's a good case that he can latch onto and look like he is scumhunting. And it kind of is, except for the fact that there absolutely could be a SvT interaction that "feels" forced (I take Stanley's response as a throw-away gut feeling after reading - I have made similar statements): Scum could be doing the forcing, which gives the conversation a forced feel overall. Given I have a mild town read on Stan, I am willing to trust his gut in this.
Then there is the reluctance to respond openly, which could be scum motivated as the information may not exist.
And then the response to mis-quoting in 308; later you say you were going to respond, but your initial response doesn't really add up. I think a more natural town response would be to respond to 235, probably in a slightly flustered way given you mis-posted.
All very minor things, but they all add up.
I also am getting town vibes from Nero (and NoPowerOverMe, which will matter in a second). Trusting these vibes puts a question mark over Glitch. And where are you in Glitch's reads? Right where a scum partner would be. I know it is absurd looking for associations prior to a single flip. But like I say, the little things are adding up.
Spoiler:
VOTE: Superbowl
FTR when I play scum I bus the hell out of my scumbuddies. I wouldn't say if I were scum this game, but you can check out Mini 2149 where I played scum with popopo, mavsfan, and Dunnstral and I ripped into all of them consistently throughout the game. If I had more games to show you this I would but currently I don't have any other completed scum games of mine online to reference.
In post 557, ralph217 wrote:howdy
Yeeeeaaaah... if we are going to eliminate an inactive slot i'm gonna go ahead as say it should be you.In post 558, ralph217 wrote:hmmmmm
Yeah I am not seeing it that way at all.In post 623, Nero Cain wrote:In post 619, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It’s acknowledging 2 worlds. 1 where i’m scum and town!Neros push was kinda awkwardhe doesn't seem to hold this opinion He's accusing me of potentially bussing you. So either he's scum that knows you'll flip scum and is pre emptively setting up an argument for later on or knows that this is TvT and is setting up a chain lynch.
Why?In post 641, 72offsuit wrote:This is probs townIn post 591, Nero Cain wrote:how many scum is in
LicketyQuickety
popopopopopopo
ralph217
Ganelon
NorwegianboyEE
Glitch
Lapsa
?
I am asking about how the post translates to a read, not why you are or aren't town. I've mentioned my read on you previously.In post 645, Nero Cain wrote:ok why am i not, looter?
I read that as a shitpost, but I am comfortable with your outcome, if not reasoning.In post 731, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Rolefishing much?In post 648, Lapsa wrote:It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.
Fos lapsa
Could also be "why is he fishing?"In post 740, Bell wrote:^ “you’re being slow this game(probably referring to only commenting on this awhile after lapsa wrote his comment), but the game isn’t as fast. Why is it role fishing? I don’t like you”-Ralph.
I feel like you are flying below the radar right now. Feel like throwing some content into the mix?In post 742, Fwesnid wrote:I can't tell if I'm scumreading Ralph or if I'm just annoyed that I need someone to translate his posts for me to understand them.
Because this game needs 11 to eliminate. That's a lotta people. So rather than rely on my fairly light read on Glitch, I want to see if I can see what you guys are seeing, and potentially contribute to the wagon/pressure. Or maybe confirm my read and argue against the wagon.In post 767, Nero Cain wrote:you don'tIn post 763, Town looter wrote:Urgh, you basterds are going to make me read glitches walls again aren’t you...haveto. What makes you feel like you need to reread him just b/c there's a wagon on him?
In post 884, SJReaver wrote:One of these is not like the other. Town Looter, what are you doing on this wagon? Don't tell me it's because stanley, 72, or Mashmellow offered compelling arguments.
In post 438, Town looter wrote:Bleh, just as I was starting to get a gut scum feeling about Superbowl (SB), MM throws a proper case together and is going to make it look like I am sheeping (for the 2nd or 3rd time in this game ).
My read started after re-reading the Stanley interaction. I think Scum!SB genuinely thinks it's a good case that he can latch onto and look like he is scumhunting. And it kind of is, except for the fact that there absolutely could be a SvT interaction that "feels" forced (I take Stanley's response as a throw-away gut feeling after reading - I have made similar statements): Scum could be doing the forcing, which gives the conversation a forced feel overall. Given I have a mild town read on Stan, I am willing to trust his gut in this.
Then there is the reluctance to respond openly, which could be scum motivated as the information may not exist.
And then the response to mis-quoting in 308; later you say you were going to respond, but your initial response doesn't really add up. I think a more natural town response would be to respond to 235, probably in a slightly flustered way given you mis-posted.
All very minor things, but they all add up.
I also am getting town vibes from Nero (and NoPowerOverMe, which will matter in a second). Trusting these vibes puts a question mark over Glitch. And where are you in Glitch's reads? Right where a scum partner would be. I know it is absurd looking for associations prior to a single flip. But like I say, the little things are adding up.
Spoiler:
VOTE: Superbowl
You've been absent, I hope it's not because you have rolled scum and don't know what to post?In post 882, SJReaver wrote:I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.In post 865, ralph217 wrote:so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?
Huh, I guess you weren't, interesting.In post 932, SJReaver wrote:I'm not.In post 916, Town looter wrote:You've been absent, I hope it's not because you have rolled scum and don't know what to post?In post 882, SJReaver wrote:I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.In post 865, ralph217 wrote:so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?
Why are you scum reading me?
Or, I wasn't until you quoted a random post, missed the part where I told the person I was voting for that I'd town read you, and decided I scum reading you. That does strike me as overly defensive.
Ok, you won me over SJ, this post is a delight.In post 974, SJReaver wrote:Found it. Ten out of ten breadcrumbing.In post 965, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:The woIn post 882, SJReaver wrote: I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.rd dowel was used in Middle English; it appears in Wycliffe's Bible translation (circa 1382-1395) in a list of the parts of a wheel: "...and the spokis, and dowlis of tho wheelis..." Cognates with other Germanic languages suggest that the word is much older (deuvel in Dutch, Dübel in German).
Wooden dowels have been usedin manufacturing and woodworking for many centuries. One of the earliest documented uses ofwooden dowelswas in Japanese shrines in AD 690, which were constructed using only wood, wooden dowels and pegs, and interlocking joints. Around AD 1000, Leif Erikson sailed across the North Atlantic in a ship that was largely constructed of overlapping planks held together by wooden dowels and iron nails. The wooden dowels did not rust and thus weremore reliable than iron for long expeditions.
Burden of proficiency. Your approach has a degree of confidence/arrogance to it, so it's only fair you lead us poorly misinformed townies to victory with your perfectly on point reads.In post 897, Hiraki wrote:What is a BoP? I intend to vote him for reasons that have nothing to do with what is currently being said. Don't know if need to elaborate on them.In post 857, Town looter wrote:Hiraki, keen to hear where you finally land on Glitch once you have fully caught up. BoP coming your way buddy.
Ahaha, you are really growing on me SJ.In post 1516, SJReaver wrote:What I've learned about Virgo today:
He likes calling things he mildly disagrees with 'disgusting.'
He knows how to turn a paragraph worth of content into a page worth of posts.
I guess, but when I wrote this I hadn't read Glitch's most recent batch of posts. Something about his reaction to Fwisned's claim gave me doubts. Enough to kinda throw them in together rather than favouring one as more likely to be true.In post 2155, Nero Cain wrote:doesn't this contradict your post stating that you think fwe's claim is a pr scum claim?In post 2151, Town looter wrote:Glitch and Fwesnid are annoying. I am fairly sure there is a fake/scum PR claim in one of these, but not sure which.
They could be a scum aligned loud gunsmith though right?In post 2158, Marshmallow Marshall wrote: Fwesnid is a self-solving slot now, so there is zero need to bother thinking about it (unless I misunderstood what a loud gunsmith is).
I feel like they are trying to drive town in a direction, while being cryptic with their explanations. Both rubs me the wrong way, and feels scummy.In post 2158, Marshmallow Marshall wrote: Can you tell me why you think Hiraki is scum, btw? I don't get it.