Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

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Sooo 92 pages

Anyone got a TLDR for me?

Because I haven’t and I don’t plan on dumping all of tonight and Sunday to do so. I will read overnight and correspond to the tldr.

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Votecount 1.17

Leader: Frozen Angel

123456789 (LYNCH):

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, the worst, Shiro, Kokichi Oma, hebichan, Nancy Drew 39, Sando

Titus (4):

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Ankamius

Ankamius (1):

randomidget

Shiro (1):

Toranaga

zMuffinMan (1):

BBmolla

BBmolla (0):

Cerberus v666 (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Katsuki (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

Nosferatu (0):

randomidget (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (4):

Cerberus v666, Drixx, Myloninja13, Nico Robin

With

23

players, it takes

12

to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

Titus is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-16 00:00:00)

Mastina rule of VCA says there is a scum on this wagon. Who and why?

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Spoiler:

123456789

: Frozen Angel

Cerberus v666

: Frozen Angel
Shiro: Frozen Angel
Toranaga: Frozen Angel

Drixx:

Cerberus v666

Nancy Drew 39:

Cerberus v666

Randommidget:

Cerberus v666

Gamma Emerald: Kokichi Oma
Hebichan: Kokichi Oma

Chickadee: The Worst
Sando: The Worst

Human Sequencer: zMuffinMan
Sakura Hana: zMuffinMan

Ankamius: Gamma Emerald

BBmolla: Katsuki

Brandi: Titus

Frozen Angel: Shiro

Kokichi Oma: Sakura Hana

The Worst: Nancy Drew 39

Titus: Drixx

zMuffinMan: MyloNinja13

Katsuki:
MyloNinja13:

Ankamius: Missed Deadline
Brandi/NicoRobin: Missed Deadline
Gamma Emerald: Missed Deadline
hebichan: Missed Deadline
the worst: Missed Deadline
Nosferatu: Missed Deadline

Frozen Angel: Ankamius
Titus: Ankamius

Bbmolla: Titus

Nancy Drew 39: Sakura Hana

Sakura Hana: Katsuki

Shiro:

Cerberus v666

Toranaga : Nancy Drew 39

Drixx: Assuming Cerberus v666?
Human Sequencer:
Katsuki:
Kokichi Oma:
Myloninja13:
randomidget:
Sando:
zMuffinMan: {Ankamius/Sakura Hana/Katsuki/Cerberus v666/Nancy Drew 39}

did I miss anything

Random missed deadline per Dream Weaver

I am gonna go reread the mechanics now. Last time I read them I wasn’t exactly all with it:

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In the meantime, ISO my recent posts for the leader vote tallys

Am I meant to claim my N1 leader vote yet or still waiting for my turn?

Oh we’re going in turns? :/

*eyedaggers at Ank*

Chica you neglected to mention this. Why aren’t you scum?

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I didn't ask you to claim Math, I gave you the easiest way to get early reads while you ease into the game.

Anyway I'm at work, so I will talk later.

Okay Ank is town <3 Yay!

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(btw the plan for today is to form a strong >=5 townblock to leash Titus' choices for teammates to)

Okay considering Titus generally operates on moonlogic and I operate on the other side of moonlogic I am down with this. But why?

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Like it's near certain Titus was a scum motivated leader pick and unless there was a bunch of Titus votes that haven't been claimed yet, it will be confirmed with the rest of the boys claimed since I have more votes than her right now.

Okay so why would Titus be a scum motivated leader pick?

And if so why then? Is it possible scum knew they needed a leader day two? Was it situational (IE Titus scumread) was it something else?

Rest of the boys claimed?

And are we doing some turn order thing?

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Titus was heavily scumread day one

K. So assume Titus leader is scum panic. (I do plan on reading overnight)

Do we want to declare who should be next leader before going into night or like I am kinda shocked why we need this vote system at all? Like why aren’t we having a temporary player run vote thing for who should be next leader and if anyone goes outside that then they scumclaim?

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Then we don’t have to have a check in of who voted what unless the leader is different.

Since scum are in the minority then the leader should always match who we say.

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We need at least two or otherwise scum will just power on somebody and kill the votee

Oh derp

What happens if the votee dies? And how many scum are there?

I am wondering if we split the vote if we still can outnumber scum.

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So game started with 22
20 alive now
Split the vote between two people
Then that means 10 and 10
If scum deviate then they would have at most three
So I think we just name the two towniest of towns to ever town?

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Probably yes

There's a case to be made for the most town people that aren't necessarily an optimal kill choice otherwise, but that depends on the gamestate itself enough that it's too much of a can of worms to open right now.

Yeah that’s simply not a thing
If you’re giving it to town that is not obvTown you’re giving it to potential scum
Well with the exception of people who are obvTown but never nightkilled

It’s almost certainly better to give powers/stuff/things to obvTown but dispersed. It’s better for power to die then to be with scum. We have lynches after all

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Math, just get some reads so I can read you. I'd rather not relecture on mechanics.

I already said Ank is town and I am not reading 92 pages

Why do you townread FA and Drixx? And why is Drixx controversial?

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Yeah that doesn’t explain shit. Give me posts

FA being obvTown is like nothing to me
The one time I was an alt she was the only scum I missed in a game where I was good as town. (Yes it happens once every few centuries)

And Drixx I can read pretty well considering we have hydra’d. I just need posts of what is going on.

I think you’re scum but you might have a kernel of truth in the recent posting and I wanna find it.

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I thought you weren't reading? Like, FA had a page or two back and forth sorting each other. I'm not quoting it.

Drixx ISO is short enough.

VOTE: Titus

I said I am not reading 92 pages. That’s why I said give me

posts

nightfall is for catching up.

I also see you’re not interested in giving me reads.

Yes I am aware Titus can’t be lynched today but she needs rope.

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FA is obvtown to me mostly based on how she handled the leader mechanic

I'll go into it more later on

Good because I can see if that is truly a thing and if she is obvTown which means scum concede that point and make her one of the two people or if it isn’t. Going with it is for now. Reading Drixx now.

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Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

Can you clarify this?

Hi Drixx.

Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.

What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.

Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.

Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.

Drixx is like obvTown from this post alone

When I was being stupid/unclear in the hydra that was like his phrase.

Titus reads like gasping scum there

“Give me things so I can say other things that cause people to lose focus”

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I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

Oh so FA and Drixx are town.

That seems really odd for Titus to just concede that though.

This is weird.

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I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

Oh so FA and Drixx are town.

That seems really odd for Titus to just concede that though.

This is weird.

Such a joy to play with you when you scumread intelligence

I scumread you before that and the insult does you no favors. I am not scumreading you for “intelligence”. I am scumreading you for desperation. However you are a strategic scum so I need to figure out why you are doing what you are doing.

@Sakura Hana — I kinda doubt Drixx is scum. Why do you think so?
I don’t see Titus playing like this if there is a cop guilty. If there is that changes things dramatically. Link me to it please.

And why the fuck would you claim mason?

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EDIT: RECEIVED A PM THAT TITUS IS SCUM LAST NIGHT BTW SO LYNCH WHENEVER

And why the fuck would you claim mason?

Because ppl were SRing my mason partner

*facepalm*

Like I will have to review that overnight but scumreads come and go. If you’re truthtelling that imho was silly. I thought this setup started with like no roles?

So FA Drixx + Two masons (if truthtelling) and Ank? That seems like a good block of five.

If that guilty is true then everything after that point is ignored wine it is after that matters.

Pedit: Drixx is an acquired taste. He’s one of the few right-leaning I know that make for a decent conversation and talk things out. Two years ago me would probably be all ewwww

And why is it 1v1 exactly?

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I'm not 100% it's a 1v1, but, muffin mentioned 3 ppl (including titus and drixx, forgot the 3rd) that should be looked at today regardless of what Numbers flipped, Drixx later today comes and says that muffin is scum, and muffin says that he remembered that drixx is scum and drixx proceeds to call it OMGUS, even tho muffin had already said previously he had suspicions of drixx.

Then slow down and provide posts please. It would help me greatly to read you and Katsuki and I am leaning towards one or both of you being scum based on the first setup post with blank role PMs.

I could easily see Katsuki claiming a guilty on a buddy assuming Titus was already scumread for cred. She had pulled that scenario with RC before if memory serves.

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FA is obvtown to me mostly based on how she handled the leader mechanic

I'll go into it more later on

1. She argued for keeping teammates hidden D1 and claiming them D2 before I entered the game and argued the same thing
2. Despite the amount of fire I was under towards the end of D1, she decided to give me a power anyways
3. Her teammate choices in general are very town (myself, Toranaga, Cerberus v666, Nancy Drew 39, Shiro)

Plus I think that if Titus does end up flipping scum this game, that by itself is enough to conftown her via associations. It makes no sense for Titus to push really suboptimal setup stuff if her teammate, who was pushed into the leader spot, was just going to talk it down and do the correct option instead.

If Titus flips scum don’t assume anything doesn’t make sense. It’s Titus. In the game where she and I were scum together she intentionally had me argue with her because we were known to spat. She knows what is expected of her. That imho is the entirely wrong way to read Titus. If she is scum as I think she is it’s best to ask why she did certain things.

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I'm not 100% it's a 1v1, but, muffin mentioned 3 ppl (including titus and drixx, forgot the 3rd) that should be looked at today regardless of what Numbers flipped, Drixx later today comes and says that muffin is scum, and muffin says that he remembered that drixx is scum and drixx proceeds to call it OMGUS, even tho muffin had already said previously he had suspicions of drixx.

Then slow down and provide posts please. It would help me greatly to read you and Katsuki and I am leaning towards one or both of you being scum based on the first setup post with blank role PMs.

I could easily see Katsuki claiming a guilty on a buddy assuming Titus was already scumread for cred. She had pulled that scenario with RC before if memory serves.

RadiantCowbells, right? Did he claim a fake guilty on a scum and won town the game? I think this was said in Minuet game iirc?

It was some sort of cops open. I will have to look it up later tonight when the thread isn’t as active. RC is RadiantCowbells Yes.

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Math

Do you really think Titus would push for something that would get her a metric fuckton of heat in a playerlist that is competent enough to veto that just for the sake of theater between herself and the scum that was made leader for day one

Titus has a really large “I can do anything” as scum.

With her buddy numbers taking heat I could easily see her trying to fake moonlogic to get townread. What really matters is context. Especially if she knew she would be shot down it would be noise. I have seen many a scum (myself included) suggest something stupid and people buy it.

I had an open once where I was tunneling my buddy so hard people never lynched the slot and it was a clean sweep despite him being obvious. The dead thread kinda was really disappointed in town afterwards.

It’s always why did Titus say/do things at that moment then build a plan from that. Not look this is how scum is traditionally played

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This is a very true thing and anyone knowing Titus should suspect her immediately if she hammers anyone like ever.

The concrete action of hammering is what to look at. “Not oh everyone scumread her so it is fine”

So I really need to read Titus in depth. The concrete values to look at are where to start with her. Start from facts and go back. Not from “good” scum play. That is subjective.

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Dreal was a player that game.

And btw this is the game I was remembering Ank. Titus guilties RC Not RC guilties Titus

And the first question was why would Titus be so damn suicidal.

And Titus and RC were scum together.

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Sample PM's

Hello

FakeGod

, you are an

Aspiring Hero

. You begin the game with no abilities. You win when all the

Aspiring Villains

have been eliminated. Please respond to me with confirmation of your alignment and your vote for the game's first Leader (you may not vote for yourself).

Hello

Brian Skies

, you are an

Aspiring Villain

. Your teammates are

Winter Skies

,

Sprinkled Delight

,

Red Gyarados

, and

Democracy

. Your factional PT is located here. You win when your faction achieves parity with the

Aspiring Heroes

or nothing can stop this from happening. Please respond to me with confirmation of your alignment and your vote for the game's first Leader (you may not vote for yourself).

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?? I am not ?? (Confused??)

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Then slow down and provide posts please.

2136 and read downwards.

I need a beer. Gonna read this here in a sec with some Bugles. This is manageable.

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like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.

Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.

Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to ensure I pick town. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.

I'm just asking you to show me my vulnerability. I really want to work on it if it's real yet you bring an example that has nothing to do with you claimed about me.

I'm trying to. Your vulnerability is you don't scrutinize people being nice to you enough. That's it in a nutshell.

Now, lay into me. What should I watch out for? What's my blind spot?

[Normally, I would do this with Drixx/Cerb but...]

This went on for way too much. As someone who is friend to both of you:

FA: You literally gave an example of exactly what Titus is trying to say about you. Math got you to back off by treating you a certain way. That's a pattern for you. I didn't see anything from Titus where it was meant to have a go at you. It is good to know the things about yourself that you might otherwise overlook.

Titus: Basically everyone active in the game is telling you to stop with the focus on just one tiny aspect of the game. At the moment it's NAI to me, because town!you would pick at this particular scab (especially with some who are intentionally antagonizing you and keeping you focused on it) and scum!you would gladly take the cover others are providing. You don't really

need

anyone else to point out where you're hurting yourself and the game state.

And if you really do ... I'm here.

stop spamming the fucking thread with shit nobody cares about thanks

stop fucking quoting massive walls and writing 1 line responses

jesus fucking christ

This post makes it look like you don't actually want to be playing forum mafia. Like ... if you think content coming from a certain slot is worthless to you, then just scroll right on by. No need for this crap. This ends up making me wonder if you're just making posts like this for LAMIST or something.

i'm policy lynching the shit out of titus if i'm alive tomorrow

and i won't be moving my vote either

that's a fucking promise

That would be a really good way to get me (and probably others) to decide you need to eat rope. You cannot wind someone up and keep pushing them and then invoke policy lynch on them because they took your bait. It's dirty play.

titus, if you're town please talk about anything BUT the leader choice.

your leader choice was scum motivated and will likely be the main reason why you'll get lynched next gameday.

that you're even suggesting you were mostly a town motivated leadership is already outing behaviour.

your spat with FA is only clearing her further if you're scum, and tilting and antagonizing her if you're town.

This post feels like so much hedging from someone who is informed. Gut doesn't like.

I don't think we should spend the whole gameday dunking on titus though. it's annoying.

titus should not talk about leader stuff and be ignored when she does for obvious reasons.

if she is town we're gonna have 2 awful gamedays because of it. I have a hard time imagining anyone else getting lynched on d3.

This coming so soon after the prior post: all I'm seeing here is a narrative slip. How do you go from trying to reason with a person to get useful content and interactions with them (while repeatedly expressing the benefit of the doubt and suggesting you are willing to posit a town!Titus) to talking about them being so obviously scum that you're concerned the day will be taken up by people "dunking" on them.

Like ...

eight minutes

went by.

I have no idea how to get into this game lol.

Pick a spot. Start reading. Ask questions and make comments.

If you work it out lmk Mylo

See above.

yes, me complaining about you doing

absolutely nothing but

talking about the setup and me suggesting that it's stupid for someone like titus to have been elected due to a complete lack of co-ordination are things that are comparable

you're truly a spectacular player

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yes, me complaining about you doing absolutely nothing but talking about the setup and me suggesting that it's stupid for someone like titus to have been elected due to a complete lack of co-ordination are things that are comparable

you're truly a spectacular player

God you're bad. I mean keep saying I did nothing but speculate on setup, but talking setup to show why someone (Titus) is scum is not the same as "talking setup".

You TR'd me all yesterday, you bitched about setup talk while ignoring actual alignment posts I was making about people, and then today want to bitch about lack of coordination.

I had something else I wanted to say, but the pissing contest is too much of a turn off. Stahp it.

First off this post here confirms town!FA scum!Titus and town!Drixx

Here is why.

Scum Titus said that she was just being honest with FA. But she is okay with a dishonest representation being stuck in FA’s head. Town Titus doesn’t and wouldn’t stand up for that shit.

However Titus drastically oversimplified (assuming she is talking about me and not another Math — man it’s weird to read posts about you before you’re in the game all kinds of confusing) what happened in FA’s game. Furthermore assuming Titus said the flaw was I buddied FA I buddied everyone. There was no choice in the matter. If I didn’t keep up with who she doctored we lost. Having one player vigged day one and another almost copped and instead copping our traitor, we were in dire straits. I NEEDED FA. As it was we barely pulled out a revive to win against an award cop a masonizer and a 100% true cop along with other players in what turned to two against the world. Saying that was FA’s weakness when I was sweating bullets and posting literally 24 hours straight to also buddy BaeReed is inaccurate. Yes I exploited FA but it’s more I exploited situations and her predecessors crumb.

It was nothing FA did. It was the situation.

Now in regards to FA she asked for her vulnerability. She wants to be better. I don’t understand why without reading backwards but anger and emotion in general. You are a logical player don’t get me wrong but you can let emotions/friendship get in the way of asking the key questions

Picking on Shadowrun: How did I know you were the doctor? Why would a doctor and a jail keep exist in a setup? I was really nervous sending you that letter because if it didn’t work you would have instantly voted me. Hell the scum PT confirms my adrenaline rush.

I don’t see FA opening that floodgate if scum. It would lead to her potentially having a loss of control which is hella different than the mafia universe game where she was scum. For as much as FA displays emotions authentically as either alignment as scum she controls the conversation.

So ergo FA town

Drixx is town because of similar situation happening in Shadowrun Universe where two people were fighting. Instead of solving it he took my side some and buddied me. He could easily have done that but instead steered towards more constructive matters while still commenting on the pair as a whole.

Pedit if anyone is scum in the 1v1 it is MuffinMan. The reason being is that they if scum realized the tide was turning on Titus. I think he is right for calling out muffinman for the wrong reasons. If Muffinman is town then we learn that muffinman was genuine and just doesn’t know Drixx as well as I do. If muffinman is scum then it is a bus gone horribly wrong while trying to shade a competent player in Drixx (well except if Mastina is in the game then he has scum or scum or oh shit she is scum)

Tldr FA is Town Drixx is Town Titus is scum.

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who did you vote for leader drixx?

The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.

+1

Zmuffinman is horribly inconsistent here.
If Titus is scum then Drixx almost certainly voted Titus. Asking here serves no purpose. It’s to attack Cerb but it doesn’t have an underlying desire to actually hear the answer and it isn’t a rhetorical question meant to make us think? It’s either “I am gonna tunnel Drixx” as scum or “I scumread Drixx so hard I am blind to reason” both of which I have done and am working on but this post by Muffin is bad.

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oh, right, that reminds me. drixx is scum

OMGUS much?

titus, the worst, maybe drixx are where i'd look at first tomorrow pretty much regardless of the flip

LOL.

The flip is actually a pretty solid reason to look at me. Responding to me pointing out that he's playing poorly and hurting the game state by calling me scum is OMGUS.

But seriously ... Cerb being night killed early is literally always a reason to suspect me.

A reason yes but not the sole factor.

It depends on context. Right now I see none that indicates you being scum.

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feel like doing a lurker lynch today

mylo or drixx. maybe rando

If you’re feeling a lurker lynch after 80+ pages you’re scum or antitown or should unequivocally state you townread all active posters. This post creeps me out.

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I would lynch drixx or random.

I want Titus input on drixx though

Side note: If Titus is scum as I think she is look at Shiro. This posting is similar to what he does as scum. Mainly need to see if he is also inactive because that is a hallmark of shiro scum.

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wat

i just said i think most of the active player list is probably town

Yep this is bad too.

Titus/muffin/Shiro/123456789 boom!

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muffin is probably scum

but let's lynch him later

Yeah good point.

Throw molla in the potential scum pile.

I really need to read the whole game.

ND39 is prob Town

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I would lynch drixx or random.

I want Titus input on drixx though

Why Titus specifically? Why not FA’s?

Pretend I bake brownies.

*shove*

Yeah I can see why scum likely disappeared lolz

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Ok, we both know that guilties and masonries are not things.

It's okay, the least people believe it's a thing the longer we survive.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Btw I am completely convinced this mason claim is fake.

Masons don’t care about survival once outed and genuine. It’s in the world’s hands now.

We got burned by beeboy fake claiming masons with Lovebird who was scum. So if you’re town I believe you have a townread on your claimed “mason partner” nothing more. And if you die and are a mason you can give me all the shit you want post game.

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Eh i guess it's the best lead so far since the cop guilty's unlynchable
VOTE: Drixx

Yeah. Look I have an extreme distaste for faking results and masonries.

So you have a choice. You can rescind now if it is fake or if I find out you’re full of shit later then it will mean more likely than not you’re scum. Or that you have an agenda that you’d believe something so much you would fake a guilty. If you believe it that much you’re wrong. << Paraphrase of Mastina.

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Hmm interesting.
Regardless i dont think muffin as scum needed to take the approach he needed to do to get Numbers lynch if Numbers is his partner, i trust muffin to be town, and i know muffin is a great scumhunter from our game in minuet's trio so im sheeping him (Dont think anyone was suspecting Numbers until muffin brought up that he was scum).

*smack*

Like did I not just say what Titus likes to do?

Stop assuming because it’s not how YOU would play scum means that it isn’t how Muffin or others would.

This beer isn’t strong enough apparently.

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dude that case was good

how are you feeling on zMuff?

Would lynch in a heartbeat but I wanna get caught up with any other points I may have missed first.

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why do i have to rescind it if you're not gonna believe it if i dont regardless?
You be you and I will continue being me.

Because it is harmful to the gamestate.
A lie of masons impacts everyone’s reads. As much as people think they don’t use associations they do. A lie like masons if believed creates a disastrous gamestate especially if one is scum.

Pedit nah mass effect mafia for starters you responded to me a lot. I will figure you out in time. But right now you’re in my scumpool

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I'll chill til you're caught up

That won’t be for a long while.

Plus you have tipsy Math.

What’s the most important thing I should look at?

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@MathBlade
It had to be done:

Spoiler:

what makes her town? for the 1000000 time, sakura, why is katsuki town?

[ ] We're masons
[ ] I have a daycop inno on them
[ ] They are day 1 friendly neighbors
[ ] Their play is very towny
[ ] Meta says they're town.
Take your pick

what makes her town? for the 1000000 time, sakura, why is katsuki town?

[ ] We're masons
[ ] I have a daycop inno on them
[ ] They are day 1 friendly neighbors
[ ] Their play is very towny
[ ] Meta says they're town.
Take your pick

This mentality is so unbelievably trash

It's also nothing like your play last game
VOTE: sakura

How does their meta say they are towny?

It doesnt, im just giving a generic answer coz im tired of being asked, when i already said i didnt want to put effort.

lol Finding secret messages in videos when scum is confirmed to have Day Chat and Katsuki's not scum.

Yeah I'm sorry I won't ask for explanations all the time but a Katsuki townread really does need a logical reason, given the whole ISO is devoid of stuff to townread imho

I'll explain it if you tell me what is Katsuki's master scum plan by putting himself in a spotlight without providing content that make ppl scumread him, on purpose.

A term people use a lot is the term "Anti-town" to define people that play against town's win condition. Well I think the way Katsuki is playing is anti-scum, it may be of no help to town, but is even less helpful for scum, not pushing an agenda and potentially being scumread and lynched for it, the only scum motivation it could have is not providing content, and that's actually NAI for katsuki (scum citation needed, but he does it as town), the way he purposefully fake claimed a post restriction makes it lean more towards town side, coz that draws more attention than is needed, not helping scum at all.

Even if you take out the anti-scum option, Kats lack of content D1 is something NAI.

Hope that clears things up.

plus at least songs give me something to listen to, much better than hangman

I see one vote there? I don’t see why it “had to be done”

I will read all that when less tipsy in the morning. Furthermore I don’t see Drixx as scum here and ergo don’t believe your guilty and I don’t believe the mason claim. In plain terms where is the wagon that built on your partner so I can read with context myself. Not one vote a wagon. People tend to scumread masons/mason claims more often that not because those two will defend each other similar to how scum do.

I really just don’t buy this. Maybe sobriety in the am will help me see it in a new light, but right now I think your reads are full of shit.

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I still consider mass effect a win. I kingmakered it and I was going to win that kingmaker but w.e

@Math

Nah day 1 to day 3 I was nowhere to be found. I only felt bad after hebi died. I wanted to win that game for hebi cause of how badly I handled the start whike she was playing well.

Then something else could be causing you to post as well.

I can read you given time and posting.

My gut said you were scum. I don’t reelavuate based on pleas. I reevaluate with reading and discussion.

Secondly why the fuck do you care I am not voting you and I am still catching up?

Going to bed.

Please leave me important places to read.

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Eh i guess it's the best lead so far since the cop guilty's unlynchable
VOTE: Drixx

?? Here ??

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yeah since the cop guilty's unlynchable, ergo, Titus

Don’t get me wrong,

I think Titus is scum
But I also don’t think a cop outs for someone who is unlynchable

The next person to fake claim gets a tunnel up their ass and it stays there.

Because mason fake claims and cop fake claims are despicable.

I am pretty sure if the mod confirmed everyone started vanilla then there is no cop :/

Like if Titus was a lynch I would want her dead in a heartbeat but this serves no purpose.

Ugh I need sleep

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if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

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OK I got a plan, we should lynxh katsuki and Titus should Pick Sakura

If she legit flips Mason cop with post restriction. We have 1 confirmed town in Sakura {who will pick impenetrable skin to survive) 1 conf scum to lynch on drixx.

If she flips scum however, we get one scum in Sakura and one clear in drixx.

What do you guys think.

I think I am not accepting anything while tipsy.

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if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

leaders get a superpower and pick five other people to get a superpower

leaders are also immune to death the day and night they are leader unless a no lynch happens, in which case they can die at night

Okay so here is what I see

Assume we say hey Titus

You can pick these ultra five townie to give powers to. If she is scum and she agrees with those people getting powers regardless of alignment she just does it. If she is scum she just does what she wants

How do we ensure that she gives powers to who we say? Like is there a list of who gets powers afterword?

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Like... I never said drixx was a cop guilty, stop misinterpreting my words.

I thought you were trying to help Drixx be lynched since he wasn’t? Will reread when sober

Regardless I just ewww

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Yeah I shoulda gone to bed earlier

But mainly before we announce plans we should make sure there are adequate leashes

Ank if you could figure that out that would be awesome.

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Shiro has literally stated that there's 0 chance im telling the truth unless the mod lied... well i dont see this being advertised as bastard have you?
Yet she's willing to let potential scum get a super power?

I dont think Shiro actually believes there is a modicrum of chance that im not lying and just wants to chain up lynches
VOTE: Shiro

Btw, yes, im not a mason

Good god I feel like everyone decided “Math is asleep time to raid his gaming fridge for all the beer.”
I was pressuring Sakura Hana about the mason claim for a couple of different reasons. Because of what Shiro did afterward my idea is now useless so I will go ahead and talk further about my thoughts.

1) Fake mason claims can and do influence the gamestate. If Titus is town then Sakura Hana could be scum but I think if Titus is scum Sakura Hana isn’t scum unless it is with another active player. Fake claiming mason to save a buddy is a really risky play. Having played scum in a precarious position before, these kinds of trade offs would be unwise unless there is a strategic advantage to be gained. Therefore while it is possible Sakura is scum I am not interested there.

2) What is more interesting is the cop claim from Katsuki. Based on the first post and powers I did not see a cop power. Therefore this post at best is indicating a strong read. Why indicate a strong scumread on an unlynchable player a majority of the active people scumread? If Titus flips scum I would look at Katsuki as potentially distancing himself and if Titus flips town then Katsuki is either scum distancing or town hopelessly lost in a tunnel.

Mainly what Titus does will help boat loads towards solving the game whatever her alignment is.

Now in regards to leashing her.

If we are lynching her tomorrow no matter what she has no incentive to actually listen to any sort of leash we provide.

Therefore we need to evaluate the power roles from a “Titus could be town” perspective and then let us use that to evaluate her. I am all for lynching Titus tomorrow but we need her onboard and not to sabotage us in the foot.

So I am thinking the leash, is rather simple. Titus declares who gets what powers before going into night and we discuss it. Yes, all the PR roles would be open but there would be multiples. Scum can’t kill them all. And if Titus is scum and she doesn’t do what she suggested and we agreed upon we gain the information of what she didn’t agree upon. And it forces her if scum to BS a reason for each person getting powers so if she wants to give powers to buddies she has to townread them.

Sanity check my idea please?

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It was some sort of cops open. I will have to look it up later tonight when the thread isn’t as active. RC is RadiantCowbells Yes.

smith's police academy game?

Nah I linked the game later. I found it
Police Academy didn’t have RC. That one I was actually kinda okay and caught scum!Jingle

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wat

i just said i think most of the active player list is probably town

Yep this is bad too.

Titus/muffin/Shiro/123456789 boom!

how is shiro in there?

Mainly meta reasons.

I have a large “this group is town no touchy” pool and a “could lynch pile” pool.

Shiro fits the latter rather well and could have been energized at a buddy loss. Mainly Shiro sorts later almost exclusively so not worried atm.

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Hi! I would love your opinion on where to catch up.

I have read the Drixx Muffin thing and either Muffin is scum or it’s all town. I would take a bullet for Drixx that is how obvTown Drixx is

The question is why Titus scum tells the truth about FA and Drixx town? What benefit would she get long term?

Time to ISO 123456789 and Titus and see what happened.

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if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

leaders get a superpower and pick five other people to get a superpower

leaders are also immune to death the day and night they are leader unless a no lynch happens, in which case they can die at night

Okay so here is what I see

Assume we say hey Titus

You can pick these ultra five townie to give powers to. If she is scum and she agrees with those people getting powers regardless of alignment she just does it. If she is scum she just does what she wants

How do we ensure that she gives powers to who we say? Like is there a list of who gets powers afterword?

there's a pt they all get
so unless she can figure out a way to decieve all the picks, there's not way changing it works

This doesn’t make any sense

If there is a PT that all the people get then we would all just know who has what for powers unless the leader picked a masonry. Having a hood with all the power people seems like a stupid mechanic that I doubt exists :/

Can people please quit saying stupid shit and help me catch up? That would be awesome

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And because it always gives us confscum and conftown tommorow.

WHAT ABOUT VANILLA FLIP JFC

If she flipped vanilla obviously nothing. It changes the whole meaning.

You are definitely staying in my scumpool Shiro+muffin is looking hella likely

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if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

leaders get a superpower and pick five other people to get a superpower

leaders are also immune to death the day and night they are leader unless a no lynch happens, in which case they can die at night

Okay so here is what I see

Assume we say hey Titus

You can pick these ultra five townie to give powers to. If she is scum and she agrees with those people getting powers regardless of alignment she just does it. If she is scum she just does what she wants

How do we ensure that she gives powers to who we say? Like is there a list of who gets powers afterword?

there's a pt they all get
so unless she can figure out a way to decieve all the picks, there's not way changing it works

This doesn’t make any sense

If there is a PT that all the people get then we would all just know who has what for powers unless the leader picked a masonry. Having a hood with all the power people seems like a stupid mechanic that I doubt exists :/

Can people please quit saying stupid shit and help me catch up? That would be awesome

Yeah LOL, I can definitely confirm this is false.

*smacks you gently on the head*

Stawp it. Reread that and you’ll figure out what I mean. There was zero reason to make this post.

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There are no pt

though people who get powers will know they are getting powers if it's like last night

Ugh I don’t like Hebichan doing things simply because I say so.

Should I just play mafia drunk?

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So I'm just going to admit I'm never going to be able to read this 100% to the fullest, I read a lot of the beginning of the game and I'm trying to understand what's happening now.

I will say that from early on my reads are :

Cerb tried to direct the town early on D1 and not many people followed along. (His request to have FA claim her leader vote first)
It wasn't known that he was town then, except to scum.

FA makes sense as a leader choice, imo. Also she's easy going so that's a bonus.

-scummy vibes from zMuffinMan's early posts

Molla seems town.

Sando is scummy.

hebichan i am neutral on

sakua i am uncertain but i think shes trying to be town

i like Toranga

i think the worst might be town

note that i still have a bit of reading to do

but i don't want to fall behind current events.

VOTE: Brandi

FA to me is obvTown however imho it is not “known” she is town.

Scumslip?

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I do agree with FA leader but we need a second choice

As to make sure scum don’t fuck shit up by killing FA

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Oh derp

VOTE: Unvote

So yeah FA leader

Then we need a way to leash Titus

And I need a way to find key events so that way I am not in left field when everyone else is playing football.

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not reading recent pages right now

just did a quick iso of drixx's recent posts

he's still scum

lynch him, thanks

No. Do something other than spam something obviously false.

What are your other reads? Because while I am alive Drixx should never be lynched.

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H
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that's a gorgeous pyramid you got there sir

While gorgeous I have enough of a hard time keeping up as it is.

I feel like scum don’t want me to catch up.

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if we're going to leash titus, we need to leash all five slots.

If we leash Titus we need sober Math

Because we have to leash leaders and this other bit that leaders do.

What do leaders do again?

leaders get a superpower and pick five other people to get a superpower

leaders are also immune to death the day and night they are leader unless a no lynch happens, in which case they can die at night

Okay so here is what I see

Assume we say hey Titus

You can pick these ultra five townie to give powers to. If she is scum and she agrees with those people getting powers regardless of alignment she just does it. If she is scum she just does what she wants

How do we ensure that she gives powers to who we say? Like is there a list of who gets powers afterword?

there's a pt they all get
so unless she can figure out a way to decieve all the picks, there's not way changing it works

This doesn’t make any sense

If there is a PT that all the people get then we would all just know who has what for powers unless the leader picked a masonry. Having a hood with all the power people seems like a stupid mechanic that I doubt exists :/

Can people please quit saying stupid shit and help me catch up? That would be awesome

Yeah LOL, I can definitely confirm this is false.

*smacks you gently on the head*

Stawp it. Reread that and you’ll figure out what I mean. There was zero reason to make this post.

But FA posted who she picked, so I don’t see how I placed a target on my head if that’s what you’re implying.

I never give early reads.

My readlists usually doesn't have a town tier. My motto is "Never vomit reads". My play style is that to seprate alarming behaviors and anlyze the pattern of them accuring. to trust people who don't do that but always doubt their intentions.

That's how I play my mafia games. It's actually quite intresting that you claim my meta is giving so many reads early.

It's not a magical talisman but go back and check your selections and look at their tone towards you. You'll see I was right.

No you were not.

I picked ufo and ank and cerb cause I had found them most towny in this game. I formed a read on nancy based on her play in this game. Shiro was just a place holder I didn't change before eod.

I didn't pick the people who voted me because they voted me. I didn't even realize they were on my list till eod happened and I find it triggering that you think I did.

Great! So we told scum who all the PRs are



Like I get we have to probably to leash Titus today but we get so much more not telling scum who have PRs. Like why did FA out? Someone catch me up in a paragraph please?

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mathblade, with no due respect, i think you're about as good at scum hunting as the big toe on my left foot

the only recent memory i have of you being town is calling LLD your strongest town read and calling a bunch of town players scum

so you thinking that's obviously false is a good thing in my book - it means i'm on the right track

Yes I have bad games.

However I have good games like Elemental Trinity where I named the entire scum team and got scum vigged
I also have a good game on Mafia Universe where FA can attest to, named almost the entire scumteam in a 42 Player game which partially caused the win when scum killed me over PRs

Yes I am bad at times

However anecdotes have no relevance to here.

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yeah, this is clearly not one of those mythical good games you apparently have

You mean like one of the “worst” games I have civ mafia where Beeboy was town and I was right
Where I argued the people wanting to be lynched was town?

I may be shit at ID’ing scum and have off games but I am good at townreads.

So you have two choices:

You can continue to bemoan that I suck and push Drixx with no case or you can interact with the points that you explicitly said you aren’t reading

Because I am not having a shouting match with you.

Drixx is town. Period.

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If you continue attacking me instead of either A) helping me be better or B) Explaining your Drixx read I have zero qualms about pushing for your lynch and catching up overnight

As town we are supposed to communicate and talk. Calling me shitty and not explaining your Drixx read is neither.

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Can this pissing contest end

Oh I want it to.

Drixx doesn’t play traditionally d1. He is more concerned with blocking and communication than reads day one.

I am sure I could poke out little prods.

With Drixx I can’t jusge him as myself I judge him as himself.

Look at the recently cancelled Varsoon game.

Town!Drixx had 0 read statements.

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Math

Outing the teammates was only suboptimal today, it was planned to happen since yesterday.

At least that is close to a summary. Can you expand on this please? You were gonna do more yesterday I believe:

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viewtopic.php?p=10029421#p10029421

Example from hydra buddy Cerb.

Drixx and Cerb just don’t do first day reads. It pissed me off all game.

So who do you think is scum with Drixx? Because right now I provided proof of my statement and as Ank said we are not having a pissing contest and we are not lynching Drixx.

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to be clear, i don't care about drixx's d1 (except insofar as i had him in a poe pool of scum and i thought his first post was bad)

he's not scum for a lack of content or anything d1. he's scum for his content (and lack of good content)

And I mentioned his good content and broke down why it was good content. Interact with the points or move on. We are not doing this.

Continue to spam and I will vote you and give 0 fucks to anything you say. If the setup fucking allowed it I would fake claim mason with Drixx. That is how sure I am he is town.

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If I am wrong in my assessment of Drixx town I need to learn why. Especially since mafia is an associative game.

So please demonstrate how I fucked up.

It’s a major problem with mafiascum as a whole. Instead of helping we are destructive.

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Or we move on.

Ank got where I should catch up or at least major events?

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Spoiler: My case

Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

Can you clarify this?

Hi Drixx.

Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.

What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.

Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.

Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.

Drixx is like obvTown from this post alone

When I was being stupid/unclear in the hydra that was like his phrase.

Titus reads like gasping scum there

“Give me things so I can say other things that cause people to lose focus”

like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.

Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.

Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to ensure I pick town. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.

I'm just asking you to show me my vulnerability. I really want to work on it if it's real yet you bring an example that has nothing to do with you claimed about me.

I'm trying to. Your vulnerability is you don't scrutinize people being nice to you enough. That's it in a nutshell.

Now, lay into me. What should I watch out for? What's my blind spot?

[Normally, I would do this with Drixx/Cerb but...]

This went on for way too much. As someone who is friend to both of you:

FA: You literally gave an example of exactly what Titus is trying to say about you. Math got you to back off by treating you a certain way. That's a pattern for you. I didn't see anything from Titus where it was meant to have a go at you. It is good to know the things about yourself that you might otherwise overlook.

Titus: Basically everyone active in the game is telling you to stop with the focus on just one tiny aspect of the game. At the moment it's NAI to me, because town!you would pick at this particular scab (especially with some who are intentionally antagonizing you and keeping you focused on it) and scum!you would gladly take the cover others are providing. You don't really

need

anyone else to point out where you're hurting yourself and the game state.

And if you really do ... I'm here.

stop spamming the fucking thread with shit nobody cares about thanks

stop fucking quoting massive walls and writing 1 line responses

jesus fucking christ

This post makes it look like you don't actually want to be playing forum mafia. Like ... if you think content coming from a certain slot is worthless to you, then just scroll right on by. No need for this crap. This ends up making me wonder if you're just making posts like this for LAMIST or something.

i'm policy lynching the shit out of titus if i'm alive tomorrow

and i won't be moving my vote either

that's a fucking promise

That would be a really good way to get me (and probably others) to decide you need to eat rope. You cannot wind someone up and keep pushing them and then invoke policy lynch on them because they took your bait. It's dirty play.

titus, if you're town please talk about anything BUT the leader choice.

your leader choice was scum motivated and will likely be the main reason why you'll get lynched next gameday.

that you're even suggesting you were mostly a town motivated leadership is already outing behaviour.

your spat with FA is only clearing her further if you're scum, and tilting and antagonizing her if you're town.

This post feels like so much hedging from someone who is informed. Gut doesn't like.

I don't think we should spend the whole gameday dunking on titus though. it's annoying.

titus should not talk about leader stuff and be ignored when she does for obvious reasons.

if she is town we're gonna have 2 awful gamedays because of it. I have a hard time imagining anyone else getting lynched on d3.

This coming so soon after the prior post: all I'm seeing here is a narrative slip. How do you go from trying to reason with a person to get useful content and interactions with them (while repeatedly expressing the benefit of the doubt and suggesting you are willing to posit a town!Titus) to talking about them being so obviously scum that you're concerned the day will be taken up by people "dunking" on them.

Like ...

eight minutes

went by.

I have no idea how to get into this game lol.

Pick a spot. Start reading. Ask questions and make comments.

If you work it out lmk Mylo

See above.

yes, me complaining about you doing

absolutely nothing but

talking about the setup and me suggesting that it's stupid for someone like titus to have been elected due to a complete lack of co-ordination are things that are comparable

you're truly a spectacular player

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yes, me complaining about you doing absolutely nothing but talking about the setup and me suggesting that it's stupid for someone like titus to have been elected due to a complete lack of co-ordination are things that are comparable

you're truly a spectacular player

God you're bad. I mean keep saying I did nothing but speculate on setup, but talking setup to show why someone (Titus) is scum is not the same as "talking setup".

You TR'd me all yesterday, you bitched about setup talk while ignoring actual alignment posts I was making about people, and then today want to bitch about lack of coordination.

I had something else I wanted to say, but the pissing contest is too much of a turn off. Stahp it.

First off this post here confirms town!FA scum!Titus and town!Drixx

Here is why.

Scum Titus said that she was just being honest with FA. But she is okay with a dishonest representation being stuck in FA’s head. Town Titus doesn’t and wouldn’t stand up for that shit.

However Titus drastically oversimplified (assuming she is talking about me and not another Math — man it’s weird to read posts about you before you’re in the game all kinds of confusing) what happened in FA’s game. Furthermore assuming Titus said the flaw was I buddied FA I buddied everyone. There was no choice in the matter. If I didn’t keep up with who she doctored we lost. Having one player vigged day one and another almost copped and instead copping our traitor, we were in dire straits. I NEEDED FA. As it was we barely pulled out a revive to win against an award cop a masonizer and a 100% true cop along with other players in what turned to two against the world. Saying that was FA’s weakness when I was sweating bullets and posting literally 24 hours straight to also buddy BaeReed is inaccurate. Yes I exploited FA but it’s more I exploited situations and her predecessors crumb.

It was nothing FA did. It was the situation.

Now in regards to FA she asked for her vulnerability. She wants to be better. I don’t understand why without reading backwards but anger and emotion in general. You are a logical player don’t get me wrong but you can let emotions/friendship get in the way of asking the key questions

Picking on Shadowrun: How did I know you were the doctor? Why would a doctor and a jail keep exist in a setup? I was really nervous sending you that letter because if it didn’t work you would have instantly voted me. Hell the scum PT confirms my adrenaline rush.

I don’t see FA opening that floodgate if scum. It would lead to her potentially having a loss of control which is hella different than the mafia universe game where she was scum. For as much as FA displays emotions authentically as either alignment as scum she controls the conversation.

So ergo FA town

Drixx is town because of similar situation happening in Shadowrun Universe where two people were fighting. Instead of solving it he took my side some and buddied me. He could easily have done that but instead steered towards more constructive matters while still commenting on the pair as a whole.

Pedit if anyone is scum in the 1v1 it is MuffinMan. The reason being is that they if scum realized the tide was turning on Titus. I think he is right for calling out muffinman for the wrong reasons. If Muffinman is town then we learn that muffinman was genuine and just doesn’t know Drixx as well as I do. If muffinman is scum then it is a bus gone horribly wrong while trying to shade a competent player in Drixx (well except if Mastina is in the game then he has scum or scum or oh shit she is scum)

Tldr FA is Town Drixx is Town Titus is scum.

Stevens Universe*

who did you vote for leader drixx?

The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.

+1

Zmuffinman is horribly inconsistent here.
If Titus is scum then Drixx almost certainly voted Titus. Asking here serves no purpose. It’s to attack Cerb but it doesn’t have an underlying desire to actually hear the answer and it isn’t a rhetorical question meant to make us think? It’s either “I am gonna tunnel Drixx” as scum or “I scumread Drixx so hard I am blind to reason” both of which I have done and am working on but this post by Muffin is bad.

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There's some pretty interesting things in there

I plan on it later tonight or early tomorrow. Mainly just 22 players interactions + replacements is a lot for scum because of heat mapping.

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With an events summary like
— FA leader here
— FA decides powers here
— Vote discussion over leader of FA or leader of Titus starts here
That type of shit is a lot easier to work with

Or like not even post numbers just something searchable so I can build it

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titus and drixx likely aren't scum together. that's the only part you got right

drixx mediating something between two people he knows is the most neutral thing he could have done and also the easiest thing for a scum player to do to put themselves in someone's good books without actually writing anything town. people like mediators

(also, i dont believe titus was voted in by scum - my current theory is cerb voted her and she won by tiebreak because no one else accumulated more than 2 votes)

Mediating is easy as scum. I have done so before. However that is an alternate theory for the post.

It also doesn’t address the first post where obvTown!Drixx post where he calls out Titus.

Are you “townreading” Titus right now? *there is a bit of laughter/sarcasm in this statement*

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That alternate theory just doesn’t follow Drixx meta.

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You said and I paraphrase quote “The only thing you got right is that Drixx and Titus aren’t scum together”

Talk to me about how this is Town Titus. Because I really can’t see that.

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Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

Can you clarify this?

Hi Drixx.

Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.

What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.

Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.

Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.

Drixx is like obvTown from this post alone

When I was being stupid/unclear in the hydra that was like his phrase.

Titus reads like gasping scum there

“Give me things so I can say other things that cause people to lose focus”

1212 — Can you clarify this? That is Drixx speak for “what the fuck you’re full of shit please go back and talk about it so I can help you”

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VOTE: zMuffinMan

So done. Saying you’re wrong is not helping
You’re not addressing your Titus townread
You’re not helping me catch up

This is just spam.

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VOTE: Sando

Just getting that out of the way and not part of a big wall of quotes.

weird sass, idk what to make of it. Only other real note is didn't Sando spec about multiple scum kills earlier? Sando why do you think that's ever a thing?

Number of players, how many mislynches and NKs do we need to lose? Seems like a lot, and I wasn't seeing any other killing roles, but BP was being handed out like candy. I don't play many theme games though, so I'm looking at it through an Open games light.

but opens practically never do that
and the numbers seem fine
5 day perfect town win with lynches only, 5 day perfect scum win one death per day or night phase seems like reasonable speed, plus vigs are possible

VOTE: Sando
kinda agreeing with this at the moment

Titus: Basically everyone active in the game is telling you to stop with the focus on just one tiny aspect of the game. At the moment it's NAI to me, because town!you would pick at this particular scab (especially with some who are intentionally antagonizing you and keeping you focused on it) and scum!you would gladly take the cover others are providing. You don't really need anyone else to point out where you're hurting yourself and the game state.

Yeah this is a good point btw. Now that I've pretty much taken down most of the "logic" I'll probably avoid engaging Titus' points on that barring direct responses.

oh, right, that reminds me. drixx is scum

OMGUS much?

Yes I am aware it is day two. It is day one for Drixx’s existence I believe.

Far as I can tell he had a problem with your wall. He also had some other well developed points but this one could have been and imho should have had a bit more from him. He is still town this just reads like bad town play.

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Yes I am aware it is day two. It is day one for Drixx’s existence I believe.

Far as I can tell he had a problem with your wall. He also had some other well developed points but this one could have been and imho should have had a bit more from him. He is still town this just reads like bad town play.

Wait so we're saying that no matter what day Drixx replaces in on he'll play like D1? So if he replaces in at Lylo he won't be concerned with reads?

Why are you quoting Gamma regarding Drixx's case?

1) I don’t remember and I don’t think Drixx would replace in at lylo. If he did he would be very slow and methodical and probably have 2000 real life things happen. The first day for Drixx is always a slow methodical crawl. He is concerned with reads he just takes his sweet ass time and pressuring him won’t change that.

2) I am quoting Gamma to demonstrate while that specific point was underdeveloped, he has had several good contributions and many people see that and I am trying to show you how Drixx is town.

You do have a valid point that that vote was underdeveloped however in the grand scheme of things Drixx is town and does expand on things when he feels confident enough to do so.

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2) I am quoting Gamma to demonstrate while that specific point was underdeveloped, he has had several good contributions and many people see that and I am trying to show you how Drixx is town.

You do have a valid point that that vote was underdeveloped however in the grand scheme of things Drixx is town and does expand on things when he feels confident enough to do so.

Ok...but you're quoting things where (I think) he and Gamma are agreeing that Titus' game-setup logic is bad, and thus they're also in agreement on the read on me. This ignores that I spent most of D1 going after Titus for bad game-setup logic. Surely if that's what you're in vehement agreement about, you don't then just automatically agree that one of the main people deriding Titus' game-setup logic, is scum?

1) The way I see it is that Drixx is saying “hey stop picking at that small bit. Your points are bad no one believes you and it is antitown.”
2) I think Gamma agreed with this point
3) I haven’t read D1 it is on my list of things to do but even if what you are saying is true, a valid point is not what is alignment indicative. I had tons of valid points in prior scum games. Especially if you are a competent setup player and Titus was spewing shit and you didn’t attack her it would be bad. It doesn’t matter who attacks who. It matters who attacks who AND why.

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I also have been boneheadedly bad in my town ones. If being perceived as valid was alignment indicative damn my games would be different.

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With an events summary like
— FA leader here
— FA decides powers here
— Vote discussion over leader of FA or leader of Titus starts here
That type of shit is a lot easier to work with

Or like not even post numbers just something searchable so I can build it

The problem is... I'm a replacement myself and I only really started getting a grasp of the gamestate after I mostly threw out what my thoughts were before my replace-in.

There was a lot of talk and claims for the leader votes early on in the game.
There was a bunch of discussion early on about how to handle selecting teammates too, Nancy and Titus were both arguing that it should be randomized to some extent. Frozen Angel was supporting a fully conscientious pick followed by a claim D2 of her picks
Eventually I replaced in and started fighting with Titus about that same thing as well as having a two-way tunnel with Nancy.

Then numbers got lynched, flipped scum, and Titus was named leader for day two.

Uhmmmm randomization is just stupid.

You’d get like assuming what 4 scum I think,

17/20 odds of not hitting scum for first pick assuming leader can’t pick themselves and numbers was excluded as a likely lynch and if you assumed him flipped already

Best case scenario is
17*16*15*14*13/20*19*18*17*16 = around 40% chance of not hitting scum

Furthermore we play mafia and even if we accidentally give scum a PR we gain more from the reads of it.

Like randomization just denies reads why the fuck wasn’t Titus lynched day one for this?

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I think they just said for the first day vote naturally as if you were town.

They already have a chance of getting powers without having to worry about being found out, plus look how paranoid it made some people. By doing nothing other than acting naturally they only win.
Thing is by voting on likeness they also raise their chance of being picked because if someone likes you more your chances of being picked are better imo
Sooo

Again, I'm not saying that scum did X or Y, or saying that anyone assuming scum did X or Y is scummy.

What I'm saying is that Titus seems to assume scum coordinated to elect FA and then does not follow that assumption through to it's logical conclusion.

It's the not following through that I find scummy/worrying, not the underlying assumption.

I wasn't saying that being bad at the logic was scummy, I was saying that not following through with the bad logic to actually scumhunt was scummy.

?? I don’t understand what you are trying to say here.

Like I don’t understand how this connects with Drixx. I have known Drixx a long while. When Drixx gets fired up you’ll know it and see it. Like I see him scumhunting but that point was underdeveloped and I see him trying to form a town block. So I see your point (a tree) but I don’t see the forest,

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Math is town

Okay. Well you me FA are town. Do you townread Drixx?

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Like randomization just denies reads why the fuck wasn’t Titus lynched day one for this?

Because we lynched Numbers instead.

Why?

I am asking this because if Titus was as horrible as claimed (suggesting random power distribution) etc. it’s an indicator of the game state as a whole and can lend clues to who scum are. What caused that shift?

Pedit

Okay well here is the jist.

Not only do we have to lynch here we need to contain Titus.

This means we have to make it appealing enough for Titus to do if scum while at the same time minimizing impact to town. The leadership we can just steal. We vote for a leader today with a temporary vote like heal tags or something then once we get majority that is one option. That person picks the other leader option.

All votes cast for leader must be those people or none or it is a scumclaim.

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Like I don’t understand how this connects with Drixx. I have known Drixx a long while. When Drixx gets fired up you’ll know it and see it. Like I see him scumhunting but that point was underdeveloped and I see him trying to form a town block. So I see your point (a tree) but I don’t see the forest

My point was I wasn't just disagreeing with Titus on setup, I was SRing her due to her follow up to that setup. I don't think it's valid as a defence of Drixx's vote on me, for Drixx and Gamma to agree about Titus' bad setup spec, and thus turn their gaze towards me.

I'm not saying Drixx is scum, I'm saying your reasoning for TRing him is faulty, and thus I also think SRing Drixx's accusers is faulty (for that, SR them for other stuff all you want).

My main reasoning for townreading Drixx is how he handled the interactions with Titus specifically Drixx I just have known a while. His early game is weak and later on he writes walls that make the odyssey look like a 5 line poem. His main focus if town is cohesion and it’s here. If you feel it’s faulty to know someone that is fine but when I get the rare opportunity to work with someone reading them is a lot easier later.

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@Mod, please prod cupcake

Who is cupcake?

HEAL: Frozen Angel

I have voted.

And you can’t vote yourself leader.

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Why?

Because muffin wanted Numbers lynched, the end of D1 was something similar of Titus trying to be lynched INSTEAD of Numbers.

That’s odd. Like really odd. Why did muffin want Numbers more than Titus?

And why do you townread Titus muffin?

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I'm green motherfuckers

Hey person who says they are green.

Why should I trust you? And what’s your reads?

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So does anyone think Frozen Angel is scum?

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Well day ends in two days Jesus so

People have until like midnight to say they hate the Frozen Angel leader choice if they do.

If no one does then when she gets on she picks the second option.

Then all leader votes should be between FA and whoever she picks.

Then we have leader away from scum.

Scum!Titus has a couple of choices.

She isn’t universally scumread (as Muffin townreads her for reasons we don’t understand)

If she breaks the plan she does but then she does die as you said
However her alternative is that we give her choices (all of which are good for us) and we see how scum!Titus follows them

And if for some reason I am wrong (which admittedly I tend to scumread Titus a lot) then we have a rough idea of where her head is at. Make sense Ank?

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sigh

yeah, we need to come up with at least one more locktown

Just have Frozen pick it.

It’s the safest way.

If we had more time I would agree. Hell I would push for you but I don’t know where FA stands on things because she hasn’t posted much with me. Drixx is contentious atm. So I think someone said earlier there was a list of powers that were given from FA

We could either second leader someone with a power to prevent mass firing
Or spread it around to an obvTown both have merits but I think FA picking is the safest

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Math I'm talking about superhero teammate picks, not the leader pick

Oh I need to make dinner. I think what you’re starting on is good but would love to hear Titus comment after I am done cooking.

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For instance, if I elect Math, I would worry about Math taking Double voter and spamming THE TOWN BLOCK IS EBILLLL

How would I take anything? I thought you distribute them?

And I am actually advocating for a block Titus. I generally hate them that is true but in this case it is necessary.

And if I was with double voter and did think that way how would having a PR change that?

I am doing my best to not spam and work with people. Just like you’re basing this on things not even in this game.

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Tbh this mechanic gives me flashbacks of midscummer's dream.

Link me?

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For instance, if I elect Math, I would worry about Math taking Double voter and spamming THE TOWN BLOCK IS EBILLLL

How would I take anything? I thought you distribute them?

And I am actually advocating for a block Titus. I generally hate them that is true but in this case it is necessary.

And if I was with double voter and did think that way how would having a PR change that?

I am doing my best to not spam and work with people. Just like you’re basing this on things not even in this game.

Basically the powers are like a store. I get to choose who goes shopping.

Oh so people pick. So we could end up with a million of one power and none of another.

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Okay this shit is not cool.

1) Yes I have had bad games. However you yourself have seen my town game improve in that I was right about Jingle when I just couldn’t explain it. I continue to receive feedback and improve. Holding a game where I sucked over my head is horrible.

I could easily go “Undertale precult” and say everyone worship the group I walk on I can find the only scum in a game of 20+ or worship me because on MU I got all the scums and freaking pwn turbos.

That is not how a town block functions.

Ank helps me with my difficulties and I will help her out. That is how a block works. It’s not meant to be an impenetrable forcefield of “omg I will but all you say all eternity”

But you and muffin have done this and it’s silly.

If I am bad this game point it out otherwise knock it off.

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People have until like midnight to say they hate the Frozen Angel leader choice if they do.

I hate the leader FA pick, it's unnecessarily dangerous.

The assumption is Cerb just failed to pick BP or redirect, when it also provides the easy cover for FA to claim she picked Cerb and pick someone else while killing Cerb.

?? It’s not FA picks another leader. It’s that she picks between the two people we vote between.

A universal townread (doesn’t have to be FA if you scumread her but why?) then picks the second.

It’s arguably a two town leader plan which makes sure scum can’t override it.

So it’s all public. If she claimed to pick another person and then kills them then

For one she would be scum

And two then she would be leader again. In which case we would look at who died and why and analyze it

This way no matter what we get something

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Math, I already have no idea what you're saying and you're trying to tell me what to do.

You’re saying “Hey don’t trust Math because they were bad in Civ”

For starters that has no relevance to this game.
Secondly I really dislike how you’re trying to plant the idea “Math is bad don’t give him powers”
Thirdly you’re arguing it based on a bad reason as I am advocating for a block
Fourth if you think I am bad here fucking discuss it

I am 99% sure you’re just intent on calling me bad to try to get others to doubt me.

So like your argument of “I am bad” don’t give me powers has no merit

What am I bad specifically on here that merits that shade?

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?? It’s not FA picks another leader. It’s that she picks between the two people we vote between.

A universal townread (doesn’t have to be FA if you scumread her but why?) then picks the second.

It’s arguably a two town leader plan which makes sure scum can’t override it.

So it’s all public. If she claimed to pick another person and then kills them then

Ok let's slow this down MB. Process we should be doing:
1) Pick 2 people who are designated leader-votees tonight, everyone commits to voting within then 2 people
2) We designate 5 people for Titus to make as her superhero team tonight

If you want FA to pick those 2 people I'm not 100% against that, I'm (was, Ank points out my mistake) saying FA shouldn't be 1 of the 2.

There's nothing for FA to actually do as leader or to become leader or to assign leader to anyone.

Sure two leaders FA picks them is fine by me. I just realized FA is universally townread and it moves things along.

I was thinking FA continuous BP and powers makes for a nice combo. But if that is a bad idea then sorry :/ Been working on a clock but the main idea is there

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Titus

This paranoia isn't warranted, you literally just saw me pull Mathblade into a compromise (albeit with Eddie Cane's help, but I still had a hand in it) when our reads were virtually opposite each other's.

I'm just as heavily engaged in this game, so there's really no reason to assume he's going to go off the rails into whatever lala land you're assuming he'll go into while I'm alive.

Eddie Cane is in this game? Cool. Who is Eddie?

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I'm talking about police academy 1 in that example, Math.

Oh. Yay literalness
And turns out we were both right that game lol XD

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Titus

This paranoia isn't warranted, you literally just saw me pull Mathblade into a compromise (albeit with Eddie Cane's help, but I still had a hand in it) when our reads were virtually opposite each other's.

I'm just as heavily engaged in this game, so there's really no reason to assume he's going to go off the rails into whatever lala land you're assuming he'll go into while I'm alive.

90% of the time he does. I will think about it.

should I mention that I did that when he was scumreading me

and this game he thinks I'm town

I don't think you have a reason to worry about it

Fine. I'll put you and Math in but if Math goes off the rails...

It would be my fault and my fault alone. This is disgusting. :/

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Okay back on point people

FA picks the two leader candidates today. We bold and spam that shit and anyone who objects speak up or forever hold your peace

We need 5 universal townreads where are we on that?

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That assumption still fails unless you also assume that scum would know D2's powers before the end of D1

But, that possibility I didn't think of. Did you ask the mod about it?

They could redirect onto themselves, it fails at that point, I just checked and it's in the Day1 FAQ.

mm...

That's actually concerning, yeah.

I'm getting a headache trying to parse this into my head. My initial reaction is that pushing for this specifically is a really bizarre gambit that doesn't seem worth the risk this early in the game (even with a dead scum D1), but it's hard to tell without sitting down and mapping it out.

Wait what? Someone summarize this for me. I am lost a bit

Redirector?

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Can multiple people pick the same power?

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That assumption still fails unless you also assume that scum would know D2's powers before the end of D1

But, that possibility I didn't think of. Did you ask the mod about it?

They could redirect onto themselves, it fails at that point, I just checked and it's in the Day1 FAQ.

mm...

That's actually concerning, yeah.

I'm getting a headache trying to parse this into my head. My initial reaction is that pushing for this specifically is a really bizarre gambit that doesn't seem worth the risk this early in the game (even with a dead scum D1), but it's hard to tell without sitting down and mapping it out.

Wait what? Someone summarize this for me. I am lost a bit

Redirector?

So:
FA could be scum and lying about giving Cerb a power choice and killed him instead. This would be instantly outed by a town PR who picked the medium power linking up with Cerb tonight and outing the fact that FA is lying. However scum could have picked redirect last night and redirect the townPR->Cerb to themselves, at which point the medium power fails and we can no longer get the confirmation from Cerb.

Also of note, the medium can only target Cerb tonight, after that, he's not an option.

So does power distribution come before or after kills? If this game follows NAR is that after or before?

If mod does
Power Submission
NK
Power distribute
That could end up with a fake guilty without the redirector necessary

If it is
Power submission
Power distribute
NK
Then yeah that makes sense

@Sakura
Sorry I haven’t processed everything yet. It’s going hella fast

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Cool. I am going to bed but FA if you see this please nominate two townreads for leadership this way scum can’t take shit over.

Will brainstorm more tomorrow.

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Firstly: this push to make me the "compromise" lynch with the deadline rapidly approaching is bullshit. Nobody has put forward any valid reasoning (let alone sound) for supposing I'm scum. What

has

happened is a player list full of people who know how effective Cerberus and I are in how we play the game, as long as we're left alive to do our thing, has managed to have Cerb dead on night one and is somehow setting me up to be lynched on day 2 for literally no reasoning whatsoever.

ANY looking into my recent play history at all is going to show you that I moved ~9 months ago and haven't played much since, and that my play has been lower intensity since I've started up again. That makes the only "argument" I've seen against me a total non starter. Anyone who has watched me at work and seen me at work in large games should know that D2 lynching me for no reason is borderline brain dead.

Anyone who has a vote on me or puts a vote on me this day phase:

I have a small request, which should be no problem for you: Make a post that puts your ego on the line over your belief that I'm scum.

-- If you want to know what I mean, go look at the signature for Reasonably Rational. So far I'm seeing a bunch of horse shit and ya'll deserve to be quote shamed after the game if you keep on with it.

AS A REMINDER:

I am busy on Sundays (it's 2:24am on Sunday right now). I will have a couple of short time windows from my phone to post for the next 24 hours. Please refrain from doing stupid shit and ending the day before I can at least weigh in on whatever responses come to this post and whatever other crap gets posted while I'm busy.

not reading recent pages right now

just did a quick iso of drixx's recent posts

he's still scum

lynch him, thanks

No. Do something other than spam something obviously false.

What are your other reads? Because while I am alive Drixx should never be lynched.

I appreciate the defense, but you should be aware it has gotten to paranoia territory for me. Like ... you actually legitimately surprised me with a couple of your observations and I feel like I need to adjust some things I do as a matter of habit but ... yeah.

yeah, this is clearly not one of those mythical good games you apparently have

Are you actually capable of playing without being an asshole to other players? Is that like ... a possible thing? We're all somewhere along the way from "just got introduced to the game" to the eventual "I've learned how to spot the shit nobody can hide and this game has no further challenge", and I'd suggest most of us are closer to the start of that progression than the end. There just ain't no reason for you to be waving your dick around at everyone.

If I am wrong in my assessment of Drixx town I need to learn why. Especially since mafia is an associative game.

So please demonstrate how I fucked up.

It’s a major problem with mafiascum as a whole. Instead of helping we are destructive.

Post of the fucking year here. We have this great community of people who are on the whole quite intelligent and generally fun to play with and hang out with ... and instead of enjoying it we have to attack each other all the time? Like ... who the fuck cares who is the "best" or "better"? It's a game. If you are so invested in your relative standing in this community that you gotta tear into people to make yourself feel good/better/okay/etc., I would suggest you got bigger fish to fry.

honestly, i don't really care about showing anyone why drixx is scum if they're unable to read his ISO and see it. maybe if i was invested in this game or cared about the outcome i might try, but i'm not and i don't

if you link me directly to whatever you're talking about, i'll respond to that and tell you why you're wrong, but i'm just not interested in getting into an argument about it atm so if you disagree, i don't care

This is a horse shit post. My ISO simply isn't long enough for you to pull this kind of post. You could literally wall of quotes me and respond to every post I've made and it wouldn't take you more than a half hour, tops. Shit or get off the pot bub.

That alternate theory just doesn’t follow Drixx meta.

Just the obligatory reminder that relying on meta is dangerous, etc...

Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.

Can you clarify this?

Hi Drixx.

Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.

What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.

Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.

Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.

Drixx is like obvTown from this post alone

When I was being stupid/unclear in the hydra that was like his phrase.

Titus reads like gasping scum there

“Give me things so I can say other things that cause people to lose focus”

1212 — Can you clarify this? That is Drixx speak for “what the fuck you’re full of shit please go back and talk about it so I can help you”

no, it isn't

you're interpreting that incorrectly

Actually that kind of is me being polite. You only need to read the uncensored logs from Cerb and me in hydra together to see just how much I don't give a shit about being polite when talking with a hydra partner (and QED when thinking). I do try and be polite and civil to people who haven't already shown they aren't capable of it because I do believe that civility is a positive thing. But when I'm reading your posts and making notes ... I'm probably thinking/noting much closer to what Math said than what you see me say.

I just assumed most of us here were like that. The snark is strong among us.

Like I don’t understand how this connects with Drixx. I have known Drixx a long while. When Drixx gets fired up you’ll know it and see it. Like I see him scumhunting but that point was underdeveloped and I see him trying to form a town block. So I see your point (a tree) but I don’t see the forest

My point was I wasn't just disagreeing with Titus on setup, I was SRing her due to her follow up to that setup. I don't think it's valid as a defence of Drixx's vote on me, for Drixx and Gamma to agree about Titus' bad setup spec, and thus turn their gaze towards me.

I'm not saying Drixx is scum, I'm saying your reasoning for TRing him is faulty, and thus I also think SRing Drixx's accusers is faulty (for that, SR them for other stuff all you want).

Actually Math has really solid reasons for arriving at the correct conclusion about me. The level of certainty is something to keep in mind but the reasoning is sound.

And yeah ... you got the vote for reasons I thought I developed enough to be obvious. I'm posting more stuff each post and less frequently than before my break, which is mostly a function of the changes in my time at the computer. If you don't think something is clear you can ask.

FA/Toranaga/myself are all confirmed strongly townreading each other

I'd bet money Mathblade is town

I'm not convinced on Drixx myself until I have an opportunity to speak to him myself

The rest of the people I'm most interested in trying to lock are the green question marks

I'll look particularly for anything you direct my way.

Yes, I completely understand why you’d be paranoid of me. I would have been more surprised if you weren’t paranoid of me. That being said if anyone can and should get Cerb’s opinion on stuff it is you. You and Cerb have both seen my games. Furthermore Cerb knows that from Gistou and other scum games how I operate as scum considering I completely neutralized his entire team almost single handedly only to get strongman vigged as the big bad. You know how I operate from Shadowrun.

So yes the paranoia is valid in so far as I am a good scum player. However let’s assume incorrectly your paranoia is right and not unwarranted like Ank said. Right now, scum!me is proTown working with town, building/cooperating with an agenda that stops obv!Scum Titus, scum Titus is attacking me on complete bullshit which would still plant the seed of Math sucks so don’t trust a thing he says which would be crazy being a man down

I know how to play man down scum games. Like I can see paranoia on the surface but it fails your own tests you taught me to make. Let’s be rational here Drixx.

Irrational Numbers and the thread is our PT.

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let me quote the part of that post that was a legitimate attempt at sorting at least one player in the game...

huh? that's strange... what happened to his post...?

Let's see:

1.) It's actually a little scummy and worth paying further attention to the level to which Math has defended me since replacing in. Scum math can come up with good reasons to explain the alignment that scum math knows I am just as easily as town math could come up with that reasoning. That's a note of suspicion. That's part of the process of sorting players.

2.) Pointing out that your "I don't have time/it would be too much work" bullshit when asked to actually make a case against me is irrational and bullshit is calling you out and suggesting that your behavior is scummy.


Look at that ... sorting two people out without even having to go into implications or tangential thoughts.

Calling someone scummy is an attempt to read my alignment.

Asking if I am scum or how I would handle X Drixx knows is a horrible way to read me. Because as scum I think about what each player does and how to feed that. How I respond to pressure is actually a good way to sort me and is warranted especially before putting me in any sort of town block.

I have multiple games where I have snowed 3/4ths of the site in various ways. Drixx doing that is one of the many reasons he is obvTown.

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@Math, @Titus, @BBmolla, @FA, @Chickadee, @Random, @Shiro

: If you had to give one answer to what is the most notable thing about how I vote, what would it be?

There's exactly one thing which all of them will say.

You don’t do it until you’re 100% sure or damn near close to it.
Very rarely if ever do you use it for a reaction test.

It’s a notable way for anyone to see “Drixx thinks this is fishy”

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You don’t do it until you’re 100% sure or damn near close to it.
Very rarely if ever do you use it for a reaction test.

Cool, thanks

VOTE: Drixx

*facepalm*

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You don’t do it until you’re 100% sure or damn near close to it.
Very rarely if ever do you use it for a reaction test.

Cool, thanks

VOTE: Drixx

*facepalm*

Nah seriously, I'm done with this bullshit. He's been offered MANY opportunities to lay out even the barest of reasoning for the vote on me, and utterly refused to do so. Multiple people are saying things along the lines of his vote meaning a strong read, yet he won't back it up.

Beyond that, you're demonstrating a distinct lack of understanding for the mechanics of this game, I'm unsure if you're muddying the water or can't be bothered reading, but I'm done playing, deadline looms and I don't want another Titus elected.

Yes I have asked some questions that Sakura teased me that were already asked in thread.

However that demonstrates that I am trying to piece this together and some of my questions helped us to get a leash and helped us to make sure town is a leader. I am fine if I am not chosen for leader or powers. However your overreach of “distinct lack of understanding or trying to muddy the waters” is false. I am trying to catch up on a hundred page game and still provide reads. If you expect perfection of a replacement do something else because when I am perfect I am scum.

Drixx is hunting just not how you or I would hunt.

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you realise he wasn't calling you scum, right? and that his "im paranoid of you" thing was about as far away from an actual read as you could possibly have without explicitly just not mentioning someone

Again Drixx is wanting to see how I respond to that. Adding these qualifiers and hyperbole doesn’t change that.

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Ok this discussion has to happen, this is stupid, but we have to do this. I'm nominating 2 people for leader for town to vote between, if you disagree on the 2 say so with you you'd replace with what. I'm saying 5 people for hero-team, again say who you want to replace, be aware you can't use more than 1 power per night when you decide this. By default your superhero team should include you leaders for protection sake.

Leaders:
Sando
Ankanimus

Superhero:
Sando
Ankanimus
Gamma
Hebichan
Brandi

Absolutely not.

1) Brandi is claimed even caught up (similar to me) and hasn’t claimed a single read since my replace in as far as I remember. I see zero reason for Brandi to have a power.

2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

3) My townread of Drixx scumreads you so there is no way in hell you’d be a leader pick.

I do not like how you are trying to take this away from Frozen Angel. We all agreed she is town and you didn’t speak up by midnight. If she picks you and Ank I would be disappointed but accept it and vote Ank.

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Yes I have asked some questions that Sakura teased me that were already asked in thread.

However that demonstrates that I am trying to piece this together and some of my questions helped us to get a leash and helped us to make sure town is a leader. I am fine if I am not chosen for leader or powers. However your overreach of “distinct lack of understanding or trying to muddy the waters” is false. I am trying to catch up on a hundred page game and still provide reads. If you expect perfection of a replacement do something else because when I am perfect I am scum.

Drixx is hunting just not how you or I would hunt.

You're trying to catch up on a game where 95% of the setup is in the first 3-4 posts of the game. Not knowing how the leader/hero-team works in at least a vague overview sense isn't a factor of struggling to catch up on 100+ pages, it's a factor of not reading the first couple of posts.

Drixx is current "hunting" by voting a townie and utterly refusing to provide reads...that's shit hunting by anyone's standard. The fact that town don't know he's currently voting town doesn't change the fact that it's utter shit.

There is some setup stuff there yes.

However I have to also try to remember who said what when and then keep all of that shit in mind as I am responding to you and other things. I am human.

I have been attacked for not knowing FA called out who she gave powers to. For things that were asked mid day one. Yes one maybe two of my questions were there but I don’t have the advantage of starting from the beginning and adding on and trying to keep this in my head hurts.

And the more you rebel against what was agreed upon the more I think Drixx is onto something.

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People have until like midnight to say they hate the Frozen Angel leader choice if they do.

I hate the leader FA pick, it's unnecessarily dangerous.

Difference of 30 minutes on my count, fuck off with your "didn't say so by midnight".

Yes the plan was changed to FA picks the leaders which you were fine with.

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2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

Congrats on not understanding what's going on...

The plan is 5 universal town for Titus to give powers to.

By definition that cannot be Gamma if Ank does not townread Gamma.

Wtf?

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2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

Congrats on not understanding what's going on...

The plan is 5 universal town for Titus to give powers to.

By definition that cannot be Gamma if Ank does not townread Gamma.

Wtf?

EOD Titus nominates up to 5 people to have powers, those are the people in my list.

Tonight, we vote for a leader, those are the 2 people in my leader list.

The leader we vote tonight do absolutely fucking nothing as leaders until tomorrow EOD.

Ank SRing one of the people who gets on the superhero team tonight matters sweet fuck all, whether or not Ank becomes the leader, because it's Titus that nominates them.

Yes. I wholeheartedly agree Titus nominates them.

Gamma and Brandi are not townread and have zero business being on Titus’s list. We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Ank who is a universal townreads someone in that list so they don’t get powers period.
That’s how the plan is as was. It’s universal townreads get powers.

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It’s immaterial that she was suggested as leader.

If it was FA and you the argument Gamma on that list would still be just as bad.

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Gamma and Brandi are not townread and have zero business being on Titus’s list. We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Ank who is a universal townreads someone in that list so they don’t get powers period.
That’s how the plan is as was. It’s universal townreads get powers.

That's the discussion I'm trying to generate...if you don't like my list, cool, make your own and progress the conversation. Just note that I'm avoiding people from FA's list since doubling up powers seems like a waste. I'm not totally sold on that, just...it's a thing.

Why avoid the double up?

That only increases the odds of hitting scum if all were town to begin with.
Assume that we are in the 40% realm of possibility I mentioned before and there is no scum in who FA picked.

Yes those people may be hit more with likelihood of nightkill but they are more likely to be BP thus working out in our favor. And we started out on evens. A no kill night works for us not against us.

Now from that 40% assume FA and the 5 other people picked are town. Cerb is dead and confirmed town

Then we have out of 20 alive subtract 5. Then subtract 3 (assuming 4 scum) this means

12/20*11/20*10/20*9/20*8/20 << probability all are town if we don’t double up and that FA didn’t hit town before

Like it’s stupid

And my own list is FA Ank Drixx and myself. Not sure enough on a fifth so I would leave it off or find FA’s list and see if it jogs a good idea for a fifth.

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We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Given Titus is largely SR'd, I feel we should give a list of 5. Scum!Titus given a list of less than 5 is going to very happily just give the remaining powers to their buddies.

And if she did that would be a scum claim all the same and would put her buddies if they ever claimed it. One or two is acceptable because then we also get a buddy and GG we win.

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We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Given Titus is largely SR'd, I feel we should give a list of 5. Scum!Titus given a list of less than 5 is going to very happily just give the remaining powers to their buddies.

And if she did that would be a scum claim all the same and would put her buddies if they ever claimed it. One or two is acceptable because then we also get a buddy and GG we win.

What?

We say to Titus, give powers to Sando, Ank, Math.

Titus gives powers to Sando, Ank, Math and 2 scum. Tomorrow Titus says, yep, gave powers to those 3.

How on earth do we know Titus is lying? I guess if we lynch one of the other two we also get Titus?

For starters, enhanced hearing is a thing
Secondly mass claim is a thing
Thirdly if a redirector does stop spiritual medium then we know scum is in that original FA group
Fourthly we don’t know what other powers are on deck and could out Titus if she does that. Unless scum get a list of all powers that will happen all game, giving powers to a buddy is a risk I don’t think scum!Titus is bold enough on taking.

If anything I would go pull up FA’s list for a 5th and pick someone from that.

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FA: You literally gave an example of exactly what Titus is trying to say about you. Math got you to back off by treating you a certain way. That's a pattern for you. I didn't see anything from Titus where it was meant to have a go at you. It is good to know the things about yourself that you might otherwise overlook.

Sure, Thanks. But that example just doesn't make any sense to me.

who did you vote for leader drixx?

The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.

why you didn't say it more directly here?

I am sorry for that.

What do you think of me, you, Ank, Math, Shiro, Drixx for my gift pool? I could stretch down to Nancy as well but her posting today is less good than d1.

Ewwww not Shiro. He’s been a major wagon since I have been here and potentially scum.

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FA: You literally gave an example of exactly what Titus is trying to say about you. Math got you to back off by treating you a certain way. That's a pattern for you. I didn't see anything from Titus where it was meant to have a go at you. It is good to know the things about yourself that you might otherwise overlook.

Sure, Thanks. But that example just doesn't make any sense to me.

who did you vote for leader drixx?

The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.

why you didn't say it more directly here?

I am sorry for that.

What do you think of me, you, Ank, Math, Shiro, Drixx for my gift pool? I could stretch down to Nancy as well but her posting today is less good than d1.

Ewwww not Shiro. He’s been a major wagon since I have been here and potentially scum.

Define major wagon. I haven't seen him get above 3 votes. His recent posting has also improved. Also, I like Cookies.

Someone who was FoS’d rather heavily since my replace in. << Maybe major wagon is wrong choice of words but this sentiment.

And if you’re town the fact you could be bribed by cookies is unnerving. And if you’re scum as I think you are that is a weak as fuck case for Shiro town

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If we get 3 power claims, then we'd suppose at that point I gave 2 scumbuddies powers in that setup and just lynch me.

Not if we'd told you to only give 3 people powers...which was what MB was intimating.

"Hey Titus give X, Y, Z superhero powers"
X, Y, Z confirm they got powers
Cool! You're free to go Titus!

The point is there is no way to tell if two extra people aren't picked

And if people start being tampered with, then there aren't claims of those last two to lock people into a list of people it could possibly be.

Then make it me Ank Drixx (who everyone should be townreading) and someone off FA’s list

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I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

Oh so FA and Drixx are town.

That seems really odd for Titus to just concede that though.

This is weird.

Did you even bother to check me or ank who claimed they have a town read on me? why did you doubt titus word but went with it as soon as ank confirmed it too?

Also if as ank said "I'm obvtown to most - am a universal townread - how is that even conceding a corrcet read from a possible scum!titus?

1) I was ISOing Drixx. I just replaced in. There is no way I could ISO you and Ank.
2) I read Drixx’s posts thought town and I had and still have a townread on Ank.
3) I doubted Titus because 1) She is likely scum and 2) The main way to fuck with Titus is to figure out her plan and stop her from doing it. It pisses her off and throws off her game
4) Making townreads as scum is a concession of sorts. Everything they do is a choice. You and Drixx are obvTown to me so scum!Titus ceding control of the game makes me wonder why.

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Shiro has literally stated that there's 0 chance im telling the truth unless the mod lied... well i dont see this being advertised as bastard have you?
Yet she's willing to let potential scum get a super power?

I dont think Shiro actually believes there is a modicrum of chance that im not lying and just wants to chain up lynches
VOTE: Shiro

Btw, yes, im not a mason

Good god I feel like everyone decided “Math is asleep time to raid his gaming fridge for all the beer.”
I was pressuring Sakura Hana about the mason claim for a couple of different reasons. Because of what Shiro did afterward my idea is now useless so I will go ahead and talk further about my thoughts.

1) Fake mason claims can and do influence the gamestate. If Titus is town then Sakura Hana could be scum but I think if Titus is scum Sakura Hana isn’t scum unless it is with another active player. Fake claiming mason to save a buddy is a really risky play. Having played scum in a precarious position before, these kinds of trade offs would be unwise unless there is a strategic advantage to be gained. Therefore while it is possible Sakura is scum I am not interested there.

2) What is more interesting is the cop claim from Katsuki. Based on the first post and powers I did not see a cop power. Therefore this post at best is indicating a strong read. Why indicate a strong scumread on an unlynchable player a majority of the active people scumread? If Titus flips scum I would look at Katsuki as potentially distancing himself and if Titus flips town then Katsuki is either scum distancing or town hopelessly lost in a tunnel.

Mainly what Titus does will help boat loads towards solving the game whatever her alignment is.

Now in regards to leashing her.

If we are lynching her tomorrow no matter what she has no incentive to actually listen to any sort of leash we provide.

Therefore we need to evaluate the power roles from a “Titus could be town” perspective and then let us use that to evaluate her. I am all for lynching Titus tomorrow but we need her onboard and not to sabotage us in the foot.

So I am thinking the leash, is rather simple. Titus declares who gets what powers before going into night and we discuss it. Yes, all the PR roles would be open but there would be multiples. Scum can’t kill them all. And if Titus is scum and she doesn’t do what she suggested and we agreed upon we gain the information of what she didn’t agree upon. And it forces her if scum to BS a reason for each person getting powers so if she wants to give powers to buddies she has to townread them.

Sanity check my idea please?

@FA This and beer.

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actually, i will say that anyone who likes interaction analysis should be able to tell that there is most likely at least one (maybe only one) scum between mylo/rando. his thoughts about lurkers (primarily mylo/rando) were too deliberate for him to be calling out town players

i don't really feel like going into any depth on this and i really dont care if anyone disagrees but 934, 1099 and the placements in 1387 are a good start for anyone interested in thinking about that (1099 in particular, the other two posts are mostly complementary)

and if you think mathblade is town, well then draw the obvious conclusion

I am all for interaction analysis but not when you pick out posts like this and then draw a conclusion.

I could just as easily say “rule of three” and then go on to make a different conclusion. Interaction analysis is useless without the why behind it.

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I'm green motherfuckers

Hey person who says they are green.

Why should I trust you? And what’s your reads?

he is ufo

and he was in his town meta day 1 imo

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73616

This is Toranaga scum meta actually.

He lets town eat itself alive.

I just let myself be swayed because I was IC and try intentionally not to tunnel in those games.

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So Frozen, who should we vote for as leader? We need two choices for tomorrow.

That way anyone town picks one of those two people. This way scum leader can’t happen. Even if scum mass vote drop.

NAI is Not Alignment indicative aka Null aka No read aka not a townread

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... reviations

NAI

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I was thinking FA continuous BP and powers makes for a nice combo. But if that is a bad idea then sorry :/ Been working on a clock but the main idea is there

We must keep powers out of scums hands.

That is the main priority here

not giving power to everyone.

+1

@Titus who gives a fuck what is “interesting”? What matters is where we are now.

Like omg this whole unlynchable thing is pissing me off.

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I want to be both on superhero team and as a leader candidate tomorrow.

I suggest Ank for second leader position candidate and as superhero team tonight.

I prefer ufo, sakura , maybe muffin or maybe drixx as the rest of team as of now

Muffin and Drixx are 1v1 ing each other. Imho is Drixx only of the two or neither. I do not trust muffin. Muffin for god’s sake town reads Titus. And UFO is pretty bad too as his lurking is highly pinging me from his scum game.

Sakura is good only because she fake claimed mason for reasons I mentioned before. I hate this list.

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Gamma and Brandi are not townread and have zero business being on Titus’s list. We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Ank who is a universal townreads someone in that list so they don’t get powers period.
That’s how the plan is as was. It’s universal townreads get powers.

That's the discussion I'm trying to generate...if you don't like my list, cool, make your own and progress the conversation. Just note that I'm avoiding people from FA's list since doubling up powers seems like a waste. I'm not totally sold on that, just...it's a thing.

I agree, the more villas who have powers, the better for town? Am I missing something here? @Mathblade ?

Absolutely not.

The odds of scum getting powers and fuck with everything go up.

I wrote out the odds later.

Town gets powers.

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Shiro has literally stated that there's 0 chance im telling the truth unless the mod lied... well i dont see this being advertised as bastard have you?
Yet she's willing to let potential scum get a super power?

I dont think Shiro actually believes there is a modicrum of chance that im not lying and just wants to chain up lynches
VOTE: Shiro

Btw, yes, im not a mason

Good god I feel like everyone decided “Math is asleep time to raid his gaming fridge for all the beer.”
I was pressuring Sakura Hana about the mason claim for a couple of different reasons. Because of what Shiro did afterward my idea is now useless so I will go ahead and talk further about my thoughts.

1) Fake mason claims can and do influence the gamestate. If Titus is town then Sakura Hana could be scum but I think if Titus is scum Sakura Hana isn’t scum unless it is with another active player. Fake claiming mason to save a buddy is a really risky play. Having played scum in a precarious position before, these kinds of trade offs would be unwise unless there is a strategic advantage to be gained. Therefore while it is possible Sakura is scum I am not interested there.

2) What is more interesting is the cop claim from Katsuki. Based on the first post and powers I did not see a cop power. Therefore this post at best is indicating a strong read. Why indicate a strong scumread on an unlynchable player a majority of the active people scumread? If Titus flips scum I would look at Katsuki as potentially distancing himself and if Titus flips town then Katsuki is either scum distancing or town hopelessly lost in a tunnel.

Mainly what Titus does will help boat loads towards solving the game whatever her alignment is.

Now in regards to leashing her.

If we are lynching her tomorrow no matter what she has no incentive to actually listen to any sort of leash we provide.

Therefore we need to evaluate the power roles from a “Titus could be town” perspective and then let us use that to evaluate her. I am all for lynching Titus tomorrow but we need her onboard and not to sabotage us in the foot.

So I am thinking the leash, is rather simple. Titus declares who gets what powers before going into night and we discuss it. Yes, all the PR roles would be open but there would be multiples. Scum can’t kill them all. And if Titus is scum and she doesn’t do what she suggested and we agreed upon we gain the information of what she didn’t agree upon. And it forces her if scum to BS a reason for each person getting powers so if she wants to give powers to buddies she has to townread them.

Sanity check my idea please?

@Sakura — I don’t know what nani means but here is why again in more depth

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I want to be both on superhero team and as a leader candidate tomorrow.

I suggest Ank for second leader position candidate and as superhero team tonight.

I prefer ufo, sakura , maybe muffin or maybe drixx as the rest of team as of now

Muffin and Drixx are 1v1 ing each other. Imho is Drixx only of the two or neither. I do not trust muffin. Muffin for god’s sake town reads Titus. And UFO is pretty bad too as his lurking is highly pinging me from his scum game.

Sakura is good only because she fake claimed mason for reasons I mentioned before. I hate this list.

I hate the wagon on muffin and I think his frustration was towny. trog/ufo is one of my strongest townreads cause of meta you can say. Sakura pushing shiro today felt good. Nancy was towny day 1 more but I think she is in her town range today - though I don't have a grasp on her scum range. I'm not really sure how I feel about drixx that part is mainly sheeping your read.

I don’t. Muffin is bending over backwards to keep their scumread of Drixx. To the point where they even townread Titus. Does that make sense to you?

Sakura pushing on Shiro feels forced by what Shiro did. There is probably TVS somewhere in there and like I said Sakura could be scum but it’s okay because of the fake mason claim and unlikely because of that unless it’s a Titus gambit ugh.

Like Sakura needs to post more and be less insulting and actually communicate positively to go up there.

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It's kinda disheartening for me that the only reason you think im good candidate is because i did something anti-town (i.e. fake claim mason)

@Math

It’s not so much I think you’re town it’s that the window of you being scum is incredibly narrow making you an acceptable person even if not ideal.

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Whatever shit this is fucking stop it.

It’s against site rules to do codes.

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Be back in an hour eating with roommates

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R

Stop this.

I am getting flashbacks to Elemental Trinity where I powerlynched Transcend and was convinced he was scum for he and nancy (not ND39 another nancy) doing this. After that I was wholly right on all my scum and townreads. Please fucking stop this so I can focus.

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I'm green motherfuckers

Hey person who says they are green.

Why should I trust you? And what’s your reads?

he is ufo

and he was in his town meta day 1 imo

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73616

This is Toranaga scum meta actually.

He lets town eat itself alive.

I just let myself be swayed because I was IC and try intentionally not to tunnel in those games.

What has he done in THIS game that you think has been unvillagery?

He’s not invested. He’s content on just seeing what we’re doing.

It’s that he isn’t posting and didn’t answer my question.

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Can you stop spamming the thread to policy lynch me?

We get it. You hate my guts.

Are you going to make this game impossible simply because you think I am bad from prior games?

Like even if you think I am intellectually challenged spamming that I suck with hangman is really anti fucking town.

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I solved it btw.

And I townread Titus.

Why???

Like I legit don’t see it. Explain it for me like I am 5.

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I'm green motherfuckers

Hey person who says they are green.

Why should I trust you? And what’s your reads?

he is ufo

and he was in his town meta day 1 imo

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73616

This is Toranaga scum meta actually.

He lets town eat itself alive.

I just let myself be swayed because I was IC and try intentionally not to tunnel in those games.

What has he done in THIS game that you think has been unvillagery?

He’s not invested. He’s content on just seeing what we’re doing.

It’s that he isn’t posting and didn’t answer my question.

He was playing a 131 player game called mu anniverssry in past 12 days when I was moderating it. check his early game here and see if that meta applies

I will do that when I catch up on d1 as a whole overnight.

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not joking a legit 131 player mafia game btw. so yeah I'm not worried for him not being invested so far in day 2.

Lovely. :/

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i dont hate you and i dont care what you or anyone does in this game (im not advocating anything, regardless of how i feel about your play). it's hangman

Then stop it it is pointless.

Argue for your reads as I am doing myself.

Have a goddamn conversation.

You can’t on one hand say “Math sucks he tunnels all the goddamn time”

Then at the same time say “Drixx is scum” provide no case and then play hangman and spam the thread when you don’t get your way.

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You know.
I keep forgetting that Titus was the CW to Numbers.
Not sure if that means anything tho.

It’s something that I will look at rather extensively overnight.

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Also i find it funny that Titus doesnt want to give superpower to a major wagon when she herself was one yesterday and now is leader.

Weeell, it may mean nothing, but something in the back on my mind tells me that those things are important, i just cant figure out they why, nor what they mean.

But that is a good way to read Titus.

Everything she does is for a reason no matter her alignment.

Find out why you see her alignment.

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Also i find it funny that Titus doesnt want to give superpower to a major wagon when she herself was one yesterday and now is leader.

Weeell, it may mean nothing, but something in the back on my mind tells me that those things are important, i just cant figure out they why, nor what they mean.

Numbers flipped scum. If Numbers had been town, then this scrutiny would have been warranted.

Wagons on two scum happen and so do wagons on two town and so does the mix. What exactly is your point?

Muffin and Katsuki fucking stop please

viewtopic.php?p=8896421#p8896421

The last time this shit was done it made me see red and unable to fucking think straight. I am really trying to show restraint and be better but with shit like this it is hard as fuck.

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Great. I have two people spamming I am an idiot with hangman.
Titus spamming that my ability is bad solely based on prior games and that I am not “concise”
And I am getting townread for being dumb.

This is a great start.
/sarcasm

*sigh*

Nancy what are some of your other reads?

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I don't understand why one of them has to be scum and not just both being lynchbait he wants to push in the future

A friend of mine told me recently when I said I wanted to change how I review things: "If you want to find scum you'll always find something scummy. If you want to find town you'll always find something townie. If you want to find the truth, then you'll only find questions. Then based on those answers you'll have reality."

In other words, if a particular event looks funny to you ask about it. Don't assign an alignment.

It looks like here muffin is assigning alignment versus actually asking the questions about it.

Furthermore, Titus knows practically everyone and how to manipulate things. Using common assumption with her is bad. I've stated this several times. If Titus is scum, then using "Titus would or Titus wouldn't..." is bad. Similarly for any of her members. If scum have daychat and she talked with them almost anything is possible.

@NancyDrew39 It's disgusting because it's saying because I sucked in past games that I automatically suck here. It's like me saying because your username has numbers in it, clearly you're scum with numbers. While the statements themselves are true, what naturally follows doesn't. It's at best gambler's fallacy and at worst just outright shade.

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Sando - Town
BBMolla - Null leaning town
NicoRobin - Null
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Kokichi Oma - Leaning Town
Nancy Drew 39 - Scum
hebichan - Leaning Town
zMuffinMan - Leaning Town
Human Sequencer - Scum
Katsuki - Null
Sakura Hana - Town
Toranga - Town
Frozen Angel - Town
Shiro - Town
Gamma Emerald - Leaning town
Ankamius - Scum
Nosferatu - Leaning town
Cerberus v666 - Scum
Myloninja13 - Null leaning scum
the worst - Town
Titus - Scum
Drixx - Null

Take for example this post here.

It's a fact that a majority of people here have an alignment of some kind on day one. This is in direct contradictory to a majority of 123456789's posts.
Furthermore, the posts here single out way too many scum to be possible. There are only 4 or 5 scum if memory serves me from the setup post.

Myself, Nancy Drew 39, Human Sequencer, Ank, Cerb, Mylo, and Titus all can't be scum by definition.

The fact he doesn't really go into much depth on this means 123456789 wanted these scumreads for a reason.
Especially since he went for my predecessor and mylo instead of his "lock scum" reads.

If we combine that with Titus likely scum and Cerb dead this reads more like a hit list than it does a town list or someone 123456789 and Titus thought he could believably have.
Without actually studying the rationality of that argument.

[MathBlade]

Muffin and Katsuki fucking stop please

viewtopic.php?p=8896421#p8896421

The last time this shit was done it made me see red and unable to fucking think straight. I am really trying to show restraint and be better but with shit like this it is hard as fuck.

This post makes it look like you don't actually want to be playing forum mafia. Like ... if you think content coming from a certain slot is worthless to you, then just scroll right on by. No need for this crap. This ends up making me wonder if you're just making posts like this for LAMIST or something.

I do actually want to. But not with people who don't actually play forum mafia.

I actually play on other sides and am very close to well regarded and a threat, especially in turbos, F2F's, or mashes. Sure people joke but they joke with content. There is a bare minimum to it. If you want to spam or go talk music, go somewhere else. Call it LAMIST all you want, but quite unless mechanics dictate it, a game in a game is just noise.

[MathBlade]

The best association between Numbers and Titus is when Numbers tried to defend her from me with a pretty spicy chainsaw despite having strong scumreads on both our slots.

Now let's look at this specific thing in context and see how it lined up with numbers reads at this specific point in time.

[MathBlade]

I'm pretty sure purely random out of 5/22 is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.

THANK YOU

Titus + Nancy are scummy as fuck for pushing that randomize-PRs suggestion and justification.

I really want to flip Titus now; at the very least, FA would be heavily spewed as town from it if she flips scum since that is absolutely not a SvS interaction.

But do you have a method that is *guaranteed* to have a lower chance of including scum? (Eh, let’s say 95% confident because guarantees are like non-existent in this game.)

@Mod: Is Impenetrable skin usable all the way through the game until it's used or does it expire on Night 2?

I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

Yeah, well, it benefits scum to suggest ideas about mechanics that are likely to help scum. In other words, you can’t completely absolve responsibility for what you post since it is just mechanics-related.

I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

You're literally suggesting a plan that:

1. Is likely to have at least one scum being picked for a superpower regardless just via statistics
2. Makes it so FA is not accountable for her picks
3. Makes it so FA can "happen" to have the picks land on scum if she's scum and claim they were random
4. Basically removes any readability from the mechanic, which is the biggest protown way to use it right now

This is a heavily proscum move and I see you in a better light than to assume you would suggest this as town, so you're scum.

1) Is pretty much unavoidable.
2) Is true but is it really that big a concern? The likelihood that FA chooses 3-5 of the scum isn’t that high.
3) Not really. It’s harder to tell, yes, but I would be suspicious if a lot of scum were chosen.
4) Meh
I’m not convinced that it is heavily pro-scum though I agree it prob. benefits scum to a degree.

Yet when I push for FA to claim targets, I get called scummy for wanting that accountability. It's a catch 22. If I say nothing and blindly trust FA, then I am acting proscum. If I speak up, those who like FA and elect her basically attack because they feel like they are untouchable majority who shouldn't be suspected.

What likely happened is scum dispersed on buddyable people.

This is generally what happens.

[MathBlade]

Having too many scumreads isn't that indicative unless there's something else that makes it necessarily scummy.

Right..And there is. Namely Cerb's death and the fact he wanted to lynch in {Titus, you, and Nancy} and the post below among other "chainsaw" defenses.

[MathBlade]

I do actually want to. But not with people who don't actually play forum mafia.

I actually play on other sides and am very close to well regarded and a threat, especially in turbos, F2F's, or mashes. Sure people joke but they joke with content. There is a bare minimum to it. If you want to spam or go talk music, go somewhere else. Call it LAMIST all you want, but quite unless mechanics dictate it, a game in a game is just noise.

i know, i guess it was a bit unfair for me to write that statement about someone who wants less noise in a game, wasn't it? almost makes it seem like i was just writing something with no intent to further the game or provide useful content, doesn't it? almost seems like i was trying to make you look worse without good reasoning, right?

It's more likely that you're trying to piss me off.
Or draw a parallel between that and your reads on Drixx.

I'm sure there's some underlying point you're trying to make and I'm missing here at my expense. I'd rather you just say what the fuck you're thinking and be transparent. Because right now I'm pretty sure you + 1233456789 + Titus are all scum together and this was a Titus plot.

[MathBlade]

Titus, you're not looking very town

The same could be said for your slot.

Random could also be scum by virtue of having done like nothing this game; I can’t remember a single post from them. Same for Mylo who also has a scum meta of keeping quiet.

Can you look town in the meantime so I can solve the game

You know I lack that gene. So I am not going to Peacock. Talk to me about Numbers. Do you see that he has little follow through like I do?

If you are doing the same thing as me, why are you scumreading me for it?

[MathBlade]

Now with the three posts here, if Numbers was town, he should have been happy that two of his scumreads were going at it.

He could have offered to bus or what not. Instead he argues the same could be applied to Ank.

Now WHY? is the question.

[MathBlade]

Now, any 5 people in a group of 22/23 people does have a high probability of hitting at least one scum. However his response is underwhelming here in 1368.

People being accountable for their picks is a big way reads are being generated so far. Randomness also removes the ability to get reads at all. It's why moving out of RVS is important.

It also tells me that scum didn't feel in control, especially if Titus is scum. As either alignment she throws fits when she isn't in control.

Now a scum team not in control, reads become paramount to manipulating scenarios later. Especially if two scum were being wagoned end of day one.

This means anyone they pushed has a higher probability of being town to me not scum.

[MathBlade]

Do you think the push on me towards the end of day one was scum-motivated, math

I think 123456789's posts definitely were. I haven't read enough of end of day to say the whole thing yet. I'm still going through Titus's ISO.
I don't recall there being a push though, more shade. I think Titus and 123456789 were the main people I saw in those ISO's being pushed. :/

Mainly it's really hard catching up and we only have a short time til deadline. So I'm looking at the events people mention first. And that's what caught my attention.

[MathBlade]

Do you think the push on me towards the end of day one was scum-motivated, math

I think 123456789's posts definitely were.

how can you tell?

1) Because he flipped scum.
2) Not all scum posts have a scummy motivation. I just think there was motivation behind these posts. Sometimes scum post things in order to have town pick things up and run with it. It's more which posts have intent.

I apologize if my wording was unclear at all in that. It's more purpose I'm after and trying to find.

[MathBlade]

Having too many scumreads isn't that indicative unless there's something else that makes it necessarily scummy.

Right..And there is. Namely Cerb's death and the fact he[123456789]
wanted to lynch in {Titus, you, and Nancy} and the post below among other "chainsaw" defenses.

Umm no. Cerb wanted hebi

#rapid posting clarification by way of quote edit

[MathBlade]

I dunno but I still don’t think it necessarily means anything.

if we're dealing in absolutes, sure. nothing that get said in a mafia game

necessarily

means anything (with the obvious exception of mod confirmation in non-bastard games)

but hey...

BBMolla - Null leaning town
NicoRobin - Null
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Kokichi Oma - Leaning Town
Katsuki - Null
Myloninja13 - Null leaning scum
Drixx - Null

wow, look at that. only two specific names among the people lurking were "null leaning scum" despite a similar level of content across the board

hmm, probably means nothing

wow, a cursory glance at how he treats a lurking buddy in another game shows a similar way of calling attention to a buddy lurking. know what i can't find in numbers dude (and ircher's) scum games? directly calling out a town player and asking them to provide content. (it may exist, i just couldn't find an example of it - and someone else is free to put the time in to find a counter-example here if they want. he does

mention

lurkers in other games, just not in the same way)

guess it means nothing

(the point here is that there is better reason to assume he was extremely conscious of a buddy lurking than not)

Yes it does mean absolutely nothing.

That is the wrong way to use meta. It has to be a pattern AND similar intent.

I did not have a time to look at that game in depth but without intent you get stupid shit like “MathBlade had a M in their username in this game [cite game of whatever alignment] they must be [insert alignment here]”

Take in contrast the Drixx meta. Not only did I show this is what town him does I showed what scum him does with the same situation. In other words I analyzed the intent.

[MathBlade]

(at the end of the day, mylo is a lurker who has provided virtually zero content and could realistically swing either way and i could very easily be reading too much into what numbers dude said about him and it could just be a coincidence and he happened to be calling out a town player and talking about the scum meta of a town player and so on and so forth)

(but i have town reads on 12 of the other 20 players alive (3 tentative that i need to try to firm up at some point when i have time) and, of the remaining 7 apart from mylo, i see more reason to think some others are town OR the others are more likely to meet resistance for one reason or another)

(for example, human sequencer is probably a good bet for scum but people either think he's town or don't have much of a read on him, so i'm not going there today - tackle that one later after taking out the weaker links)

Oh yes. You’ve “solved” the game and don’t even bother to mention who your townreads are on.

What’cha gonna do if mylo flips green huh? Oh that’s right come after me next. I see exactly what you’re doing and I will have none of it. First you’re going for mylo then me then Drixx all because I said no to your mislynch of Drixx now.

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Furthermore you fucking admit it could go either way. And that is the person you are pushing right now.

@the worst Assume you have 12 townreads.
Do you A) Stay silent about them
B) Push someone who maybe sorta could be scum
C) Troll most of the entire time
D) Don’t contribute anything towards who should get powers?

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.8

Leader: Titus

Drixx (3):

Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki

Sando (3):

Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

zMuffinMan (3):

the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade

BBmolla (1):

Nancy Drew 39

Brandi (1):

Toranaga

Gamma Emerald (1):

Ankamius

hebichan (1):

Titus

Katsuki (1):

Shiro

Myloninja13 (1):

zMuffinMan

Shiro (1):

hebichan

Ankamius (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (5):

Brandi, Frozen Angel, Human Sequencer, Kokichi Oma, Myloninja 13

With

21

players, it takes

11

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-24 14:00:00).

Toranaga is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-23 00:00:00)

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Duplication:

Gain a second vote until the end of the next Day Phase. This second vote doesn't count for parity.

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

**Precognition:

Learn the next set of Superpowers available for acquisition before they're revealed.

Weather Manipulation:

Target another player. If that player takes Flight, that player dies.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

We have one fucking day here people.

The only wagon that isn’t completely garbage is MuffinMan or maybe Sando because of some shit he has said. Drixx is obvTown and there is no “case” on Mylo it’s the same debunked meta point

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Drixx this will do I guess?

can someone break down why zMuff is voting Mylo? sorry to be tunnelled ...

You agreed with my Drixx is town case earlier , why the fuck are you voting him now?

FOS The worst

[MathBlade]

Apparently this somehow wasn't clear before - Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose. There was no good motivation to do what you were doing. It was toxic to the game state and so you are either scum and you were doing it to try and get Titus chasing in circles (which would merit re-evaluating Titus) or you were town doing it and just not giving a shit that you were making the game toxic.

Your response to being voted over it was the entire point of the exercise. Let's say I'm not exactly feeling great about your response.

@Math - Bullshit on the idea I shouldn't have a serious side-eye on you for the foreseeable future. Cerb and I were final scum in a game alone as final scum for months and in that game we literally played precisely how we would as town. We literally from the outset of the game all the way through made decisions and took actions that were what we would have done if we were town that game. It came down to someone deciding they would rather lose with us than lose to us in the LYLO we picked, because said person was unwilling to actually put in the time and effort to try and figure it out.

So ... if he and I can lay down a game where there is literally no possible way to logically arrive at any conclusion other than we were town ... so can you ... and you can probably do it with a lot less work than it took us.

@Drixx — I said you SHOULD be paranoid of me.

I also said you were reaction testing.

I don’t get where I said you shouldn’t.

And I have disagreed with you several times on the whole “I did what I always do as town bit”, People don’t. That is a fact. When you squash some differences newer smaller ones always emerge. So much so even professional liars convince themselves of their reality to try to help or just don’t speak. I get that you believe that but the answer is you’re different as the alignments and I can see it. And you can choose to scumread me for it. However that doesn’t change the fact you were different in a noticeable way.

It’s your belief you’d have acted the same and buddied me but the evidence says otherwise. Similar to how people think they would act one way but psychology tests/hidden cameras show another.

I maintain what I said and I still think you are town but if anyone thinks their games are 100% similar needs a reality check. I have been working on mine for decades and got it close but there is about 5 people on MS that just know instantly what alignment I am and I am still working with them when not in active games to find out why.

[MathBlade]

Apparently this somehow wasn't clear before - Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose. There was no good motivation to do what you were doing. It was toxic to the game state and so you are either scum and you were doing it to try and get Titus chasing in circles (which would merit re-evaluating Titus) or you were town doing it and just not giving a shit that you were making the game toxic.

Your response to being voted over it was the entire point of the exercise. Let's say I'm not exactly feeling great about your response.

This is just pure BS from you.

Go back and read you and Titus in ISO from start of day 2. You are legitimately winding Titus up with no goal that I can discern. It's not only NOT BS, it's precisely how I always operate.

FA nailed it. I don't generally telegraph my thoughts early in the game. I will often appear as if I'm just reacting. If you take the time to go look at Cerb and I together in hydra, you will see what's really going on in my own notes and thoughts. I will usually have a bead on someone a long time before anyone knows it and be coming at it obliquely trying to get them to say/do something to either solidify or erode what I'm thinking.

Classic best example of that would be in SU1 where Cerb and I repeatedly had evaluations and tests going on people for long stretches of time that nobody in the main game thread realized were much of anything until we were sure and dumped thoughts.

I make no claims to being amazing at this game. I have some great games on my record and some terrible ones. But you can always be very certain that whatever I'm doing, there's a reason for it. Deliberate action is the point. Rational progression. Otherwise it's all just deciding and making up shit to justify the decision, and that's worse than useless.

Standard disclaimer that I'm not a perfect rational agent.

Also: Try harder. You're actually surprising me in the most recent dozen pages or so, and not in a way that I thought had much probability.


@FA: High five and all that. Who do YOU think needs to be the backup vote in case you get popped? You should also decide who is voting you and who should be voting the backup. Balance risk. I'm happy to give thoughts on folks who I don't think should be assigned together if you would find that useful.

+1 Can definitely confirm this.

It’s why I called out Drixx as reaction testing me when he was. Drixx has his operating procedures when he is town and operates in a certain way. I even said he is incredibly slow in his day one and oh look he is incredibly slow in his day one

#shockedNotSbocked

And I wonder why this muffin wagon isn’t taking off. Because muffin is scum.

[MathBlade]

I propose that Drixx, Muffin and Sando all get a room together and hash this out. Who’s with me?

if winding up titus is soooooooo scummy, then i'm the scum lord, yet sando's rather tame #2065 is what made you vote him despite all the misgivings you apparently have with me?

haha yeah, i believe that

Glad you admit you’re a scumLord.

Guess there isn’t s chance you vote yourself is there so the Drixx v you spat fucking stops?

[MathBlade]

Cool. I am going to bed but FA if you see this please nominate two townreads for leadership this way scum can’t take shit over.

Will brainstorm more tomorrow.

I nominate myself and Ank

I'm ok nominating myself and math too.

both works I think

LEADER VOTES ARE BETWEEN FA ANK AND MYSELF WITH FA TO SPECIFY DOWN TO TWO LATER TODAY

CONSOLIDATION ON LYNCH WAGONS NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR THIS IS ALL FOR NAUGHT

I have to go to work but please people come on

[MathBlade]

I am doing FA too whichever option FA picks.

Pedit wtf? Aren’t our reads similar

Getting ready for work may be slow to respond

[MathBlade]

Titus and zmuffin I gotta go.

[MathBlade]

Or that he bused Numbers when he didnt need to?
Nah that's not muffin's style as scum i think.

zMuffin as scum I feel would want a game with little effort so he could coast

Bussing a buddy for cred and then a few mislynches would achieve that apathy.

Titus would want Cerb dead because Cerb can read Titus.

It’s a fucking marriage made in heaven.

[MathBlade]

Like them being scum explains everything. The kill on Cerb, Titus being leader, muffin pushing Drixx and then “settling” for mylo because I won’t let muffin mislynch Drixx.

[MathBlade]

Pretty sure drinking cyanade is a better alternative than voting mathblade leader at this point.

I'd be fine with leader votes being between FA, sakura, muffins.

Then vote FA.

FA picked me Ank and myself as leader choices.

I am fucking pissed Titus’s shade math campaign is working right now.

Like seriously.

Also please fucking consolidate. I have work now.

@Mod: VoteCount please

[MathBlade]

I'm talking about police academy 1 in that example, Math.

He was in Civ too.

and this is just disgusting imo

Why???

Because it reads as "oh he did terrible in Civ so don't listen to anything he says"

meh Math is always ranting about town being scum. Ank promised to keep him under control so we'll see

I don't think Msth is scum but finding town is easy with him in the game

This is patently false. Yes I have “bad” games but everyone does.

I have gotten done in two recent town games in a row under alts that I was very much accurate in what I was doing and worked together decently. Perpetuating this idea only deserved to be destructive versus attack the points I have. If you think I am bad, then explain it. Period. Otherwise you are part of the problem.

[MathBlade]

Not really following who were meant to be voting for leader tonight

tbqh MyLo lynch is fine. zMuff's call earlier was valid we hell.

FA or Ank, take me out of contention. Too many people saying I am stupid :(:(:(:(:(:(

[MathBlade]

Drixx I feel we should lynch Hebi

Why?

We’re not flashwagoning on a weekday when there aren’t enough people here to do anything and we sure as hell wouldn’t follow scjm’s suggestion.

Consolidate.

[MathBlade]

I lov u MathBlade <3

Thank you but it is best you don’t vote for me as leader.

We need town unified. So FA or Ank.

[MathBlade]

Too many people saying I am stupid :(:(:(:(:(

Burn them all tbh

Wish I could.

But we need town in agreement. Even those that think I suck.

There will be time to convince people that I am trustworthy and improving later.

So FA or Ank as leaders

And pick wagons people.

[MathBlade]

I'm talking about police academy 1 in that example, Math.

He was in Civ too.

and this is just disgusting imo

Why???

Because it reads as "oh he did terrible in Civ so don't listen to anything he says"

meh Math is always ranting about town being scum. Ank promised to keep him under control so we'll see

I don't think Msth is scum but finding town is easy with him in the game

If you thought I was town you’d be building me up not destroying me for existing.

Lynch this with all due haste tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

Not really following who were meant to be voting for leader tonight

tbqh MyLo lynch is fine. zMuff's call earlier was valid we hell.

FA or Ank, take me out of contention. Too many people saying I am stupid :(:(:(:(:(:(

I lov u MathBlade <3

* HUGS* he just took quite a pummeling in Labrynth. The thing to keep in mind however is that leasers don’t pick the powers only the superheroes, so having the best reads isn’t necessary with a town consensus. But no offense lol, I much prefer FA or Ank.

Spoiler:

Please don’t hate me, I mean now that I know you and Commander Shephard are actually the same person.

Hey it turned out later at the end of the games were right like random and worst

Me neighborizing worst contributed to win the game.

[MathBlade]

And I actually ate a nightkill! So yay!

[MathBlade]

1. Holy shit could titus be any scummier if she tried? Titus reaching out to Drixx like that makes me thing town!drixx is more likely.

2. VOTE: Mylo

I suppose that works...

If you think Town!Drixx is more likely
Why are you siding with the person who says Drixx is scum and their backup?

[MathBlade]

1. Holy shit could titus be any scummier if she tried? Titus reaching out to Drixx like that makes me thing town!drixx is more likely.

2. VOTE: Mylo

I suppose that works...

If you think Town!Drixx is more likely
Why are you siding with the person who says Drixx is scum and their backup [lynch candidate]?

Cmon this is obvious people.

[MathBlade]

Hebi stock downgraded by a mile.

Looks like Titus knows she is going down and is trying to get Town!Drixx to bus Hebi.

Or just Hebi isn’t thinking like daaaaaamn

[MathBlade]

Huh?

Tbh I was just trying to consolidate on one of the wagons, I haven't caught up fully but I know we're approaching deadline. I've only read the past few pages cause you guys have been posting so muuch.

Even if you’ve only read the past few pages you’d still see that muffin suggested Mylo.

And muffin was also the one that said Drixx scum.

:/ Ugh.

Someone sanity check me if I am being reasonable here

[MathBlade]

I dunno but I still don’t think it necessarily means anything.

if we're dealing in absolutes, sure. nothing that get said in a mafia game

necessarily

means anything (with the obvious exception of mod confirmation in non-bastard games)

but hey...

BBMolla - Null leaning town
NicoRobin - Null
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Kokichi Oma - Leaning Town
Katsuki - Null
Myloninja13 - Null leaning scum
Drixx - Null

wow, look at that. only two specific names among the people lurking were "null leaning scum" despite a similar level of content across the board

hmm, probably means nothing

wow, a cursory glance at how he treats a lurking buddy in another game shows a similar way of calling attention to a buddy lurking. know what i can't find in numbers dude (and ircher's) scum games? directly calling out a town player and asking them to provide content. (it may exist, i just couldn't find an example of it - and someone else is free to put the time in to find a counter-example here if they want. he does

mention

lurkers in other games, just not in the same way)

guess it means nothing

(the point here is that there is better reason to assume he was extremely conscious of a buddy lurking than not)

The “case” which has been refuted every way I know how to and which muffin has repeated multiple times.

And if need be I can find the “case” on Drixx too (hint it’s infinitesimal if it can even be called a “case”)

[MathBlade]

Not really following who were meant to be voting for leader tonight

tbqh MyLo lynch is fine. zMuff's call earlier was valid we hell.

FA or Ank, take me out of contention. Too many people saying I am stupid :(:(:(:(:(:(

I lov u MathBlade <3

* HUGS* he just took quite a pummeling in Labrynth. The thing to keep in mind however is that leasers don’t pick the powers only the superheroes, so having the best reads isn’t necessary with a town consensus. But no offense lol, I much prefer FA or Ank.

Spoiler:

Please don’t hate me, I mean now that I know you and Commander Shephard are actually the same person.

Hey it turned out later at the end of the games were right like random and worst

Me neighborizing worst contributed to win the game.

And that’s also why I feel pretty confident that both the worst and random are town here. Random isn’t acting anything like he was in this game. Shoshin never really did expand on that - how you were so sure he was scum in Labrynth.

Mainly I scumread Shoshin for their lack of willingness to die as a bodyguard. I said several times target me. I was sure scum were gonna kill me that night and how she claimed.

Thankfully the voyeur worked out for town that game.

Let’s focus on this game though eh?

What do you make of hebi and muffin?