Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

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Colored Fruit Vendor
Petrification
Reflexive Power Mimicry (in other words you get hit with a power you get it)
Power Echo
Self Detonation (available during the day)
Tracker

reactions:
what even?
Oh no
okay
okay
that seems powerful
okay

Pick a color. The person is notified they are covered in that too until the next night phase ala Fruit vendor

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@toogelo have you even read my posts now that you're accusing me that I'm scum?

Nope!

like what is even your accusation? Fa might still be scum so she is?!

You said I didn't take any stances in last day phase - that is a blatant lie. Also you are repeatedly claiming you didn't read things

what are you scum reading me for then if you didn't read things I posted?

Why does this have you so worked up? I'm confscum to you, so why aren't you ignoring me? Me calling you scum was 100% all-american prime beef gut.


Hey, stun? I've practically offered myself up for free. Why do I need a counter lynch? Not saying the worst maybe doesn't need a little pressure now and again to keep him honest, but pivoting off me to start something on another player seems a bit odd don't you think?

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU're confscum to me?!

like wtf is this?!

And I never ignore anyone. It's just my personality. Do you hate attention? It's contradictory with you accusing me off sidelining right here.

Does Toog know you FA? Like played with you before?

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I think he is trying to rile you up.

Do you have any comments on leaders etc?

I feel like scum are just lurking. We need to make this day productive and talk constructive things.

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Probably once 2 years ago? Was he ina large game on ms?

I don't remember at all. I remember his username but I think he was in gitsu? or maybe that was another large or a mini

Oh yeah he was the unfortunate protector in gistou. XD

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Been away for a few days since starting hormones, but looking through the past few pages, Stungun's felt a bit wormy to me for awhile now. I'm completely willing to lynch there, other than that, anything going on I should know about?

I get toog is probably being lynched today, but that early self vote makes me feel like it will just flip town. Feels like town who knows we're in a good position and wants less focus placed on their slot by dying.

Talk with me about Stungun I have him as pretty obvTown.

And yeah hormones lol been on T for a few months now. It’s definitely something I feel like I am eating my apartment out of food daily.

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VOTE: The worst

i want duckling to be the counterwagon here, because odds are decently high he is scum, especially if toog is not

@tw, what tempted you to join the creature wagon last day phase?

same for you toog?

This post feels really bad to me Math. His position on toog changes pretty quickly and I'm not sure why.

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Idk, I've just felt AMAZING since yesterday and I don't know if its hormones or just my excitement or both... my anxiety and depression are just, less?

That doesn’t read like a position change. I think based on his posts if anything bad it’s CYB.

@Others can you take a look and see if you see what hebi does? If you do then I will need to pick a different fifth.

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Yeah hormones fixing gender issues make life so much better for me.
<<Disclaimer if you are transgender or questioning always go to doctors/therapy>>

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Because Titus was obviously scum from the point of getting elected.

More likely Titus gave scum powers to her buddies once it was apparent on day two that Titus had a big target on her back the next day.

Titus was obviously scum from how she treated my replace in and the randomization too. Like she was using bad logic to argue we shouldn’t play mafia lol.

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She practically begged Ank to hold me back from scumreading her. The fact we couldn’t lynch her day two pissed me off.

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Further, her buddies didn't move in on me when Titus tried to set up a wagon on me, which says to me that they were already trying to not get tied with Titus.

This was pathetically bad. Titus was just horrible and the remaining scum are lurkers. We bulletproof everyone and call it a day.

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Titus' primary defender was Shiro, who was also talking for cerb at the time. Shiro was town.

It was townsided resistance. I think there was a perception we just wanted to lynch Titus for getting elected day 2, and people were trying to argue that scum wouldn't be that transparent.


I switched to the nero slot when I thought titus wasn't going to be lynched.. I was getting very frustrated at that point. If you wanna look through my game history, I have a habit of jumping around wagons as either alignment.

I mean I opened up day three screaming Titus was scum.

Yes on no additional reason you opened up screaming Titus scum...Sure.

I am sure you have a habit of jumping around but I do not believe your theory of town resistance holds any weight at all. The Titus wagon imho was stopped by scum. She was their figurehead.

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So Shiro was scum?

Cause he directly called for the sando counterwagon.

That is one person. One person does not a resistance make.

I just don’t believe you.

I even called scum would come out and be more active.

The Titus wagon was blocked hard by scum. The kills support that theory. The activity of the players supports that theory.

Hebichan are you scum hun? Trying to buddy me?

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I am thinking Hebichan UFO Toog
UFO doesn’t mimic Shiro because he doesn’t want to talk to the dead
Hebichan because of trying to change the narrative to something false
And Toog for obvious reasons.

@stun Sanity check me?

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I am thinking Hebichan UFO Toog
UFO doesn’t mimic Shiro because he doesn’t want to talk to the dead
Hebichan because of trying to change the narrative to something false
And Toog for obvious reasons.

@stun Sanity check me?

i do not think ufo, but can agree with hebichan. i think the other is the worst, nero cain, or kokichi oma but i need to figure out which for sure. toranaga vs. titus has too much of a town vs. scum feel for me to believe ufo is scum here.

Which parts make you say that so I can re-examine later?

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Nah fuck that, I'm replacing out. I don't have time for a 300 page plus game, I don't feel like reading back and I can't remember my own thought process.

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Seriously, give me a reason to care, I asked someone to catch me up, no one did.

I barely read any of day 3's stuff very closely so I am apparently grossly misremembering what happened, and no one has given me a power so I haven't even wanted to care since like day 2.

I have no idea what the gamestate is even or who has powers.

Tinfoil hat time

If you’re town there are a ton of obvTown that scum seeminggly can’t kill

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apparently. Why should I have taken that as a joke and not as some limp-wristed pushback?

I think the ppl calling Toog scum are either lazy, argumentative town, or scum thats like overcompensating or some combination of. Toog is getting lynched today. Whether he's just town that is just like "oh hey, I'm expendable and I screwed up." or he's scum that's

Ate

ing and/o his team wants to bus him for the town cred.

Nah man. Pretty much everyone who has played with me regularly defaults to assuming I'm scum until they have reason to believe otherwise. Being called scummy is basically irrelevant to me. I just thought I'd crack a joke to welcome you to the game and you took it serious.

Drixx are you caught up?

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Meh mainly UFO has been pinging me a while

I gotta go but sanity checks would be awesome. If it comes back I am dumb then there is time to adjust but I am hoping I am right. Honestly imho it’s a matter of time. We have the BP obvTown.

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Why would scum bus a third scum after two flips?

I'm not saying its impossible, just really bad.

agreed but if Toog was scum that was going down then I think scum would be pretty likely to claw their way onto that wagon. Of course thats not to say that scum are sitting on him right now or that I think he's scum. This is mostly why my gut reaction was that Stun was scum. I mean really, you bark and shout that Toog is scum only to vote not Toog? Just seems like a bit of a hedge.

@math

(or anyone really) Who were all of Titus' defenders? I know it was Shiro and Toog and Drixx. Who else?

shiro's read were so blatantly false. he confscummed me, and suggested fa as a partner. i think he was trying to survive, and thus threw things out that scum might want to keep alive.

and he townread titus--which we all know was bs.

I mean, she was just wrong as fuck. It happens. Doesn't meanshe was playing against wincon. Also, Titus has a cult following of players that think she's the second coming of MoS. She's a real-life cult leader.

apparently. Why should I have taken that as a joke and not as some limp-wristed pushback?

I think the ppl calling Toog scum are either lazy, argumentative town, or scum thats like overcompensating or some combination of. Toog is getting lynched today. Whether he's just town that is just like "oh hey, I'm expendable and I screwed up." or he's scum that's

Ate

ing and/o his team wants to bus him for the town cred.

Nah man. Pretty much everyone who has played with me regularly defaults to assuming I'm scum until they have reason to believe otherwise. Being called scummy is basically irrelevant to me. I just thought I'd crack a joke to welcome you to the game and you took it serious.

idk, like, this is how it feels from my POV. I'm light scum reading you and then you kind of discredit me by saying that I'm awesomely bad at reading you and then I put in the work that sort of disproves this and then you cry joke. So it just looks like kinda a backtrack to me. Also...

MAFIA

IZ

SRS

BUSINESS

7804 will do a chance in front of the computer.

@Toog I would change my reads because I believe there are three scum left. So if you are not scum that necessitates another look.

I think that is everything addressed to me I am out with friends so it’s hard to post right noe

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Votecount 3.14

Leader: Frozen Angel

Sando (6):

Nosferatu, Creature, Kokichi Oma, Toogeloo, Titus, Gamma Emerald

Katsuki (3):

Shiro, Sakura Hana, hebichan

Titus (3):

Katsuki, stungun0404, the worst

the worst (1):

Sando

Creature (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Shiro (0):

stungun0404 (0):

the worst (0):

Toogeloo (0):

Toranaga (0):

zMuffinMan (0):

Not Voting (6):

Drixx, Frozen Angel, MathBlade, Nancy Drew 39, Toranaga, zMuffinMan

With

19

players, it takes

10

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-02 21:00:00).

Abilities Available for Acquisition

**Healing Touch:

Target another player. If that player has not been killed, any debilitating or harmful effects are removed.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Petrification:

Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

*Shapeshifting:

Target another player. Any actions you take this Night Phase will appear as though that player performed them instead.

*May be used to modify any Superpowers a player may have. Does not count against the number of Superpowers a player may use each Night Phase.
**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

Votecount 3.20

Leader: Frozen Angel

Titus (LYNCH):

Katsuki, MathBlade, Sando, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana, Nancy Drew 39, stungun0404, Nosferatu, Frozen Angel, Titus

Creature (4):

zMuffinMan, the worst, Toogeloo, Toranaga

Katsuki (3):

Shiro, hebichan, Kokichi Oma

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

Shiro (0):

stungun0404 (0):

the worst (0):

Toogeloo (0):

Toranaga (0):

zMuffinMan (0):

Not Voting (2):

Creature, Drixx

With

19

players, it takes

10

to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

Nancy Drew is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-08-08 00:00:00).
zMuffinMan has requested replacement.

During the day it started with a wagon on Sando and a couple of Titus votes. Eventually I along with a few other key people were able to make Titus the main wagon. All was well until towards the end of the day when a Creature wagon picked up a lot of steam.

Toog was on Sando (widely regarded as town) and then said Titus was town repeatedly even offering to read the game if she was town (which Toog then back tracked today). Toranaga while not on the Sando wagon was afk during that wagons formation.

Mainly the worst also being off of Titus is not a good look as well.

I think the vote counts make the situation clear there was not town resistance to Titus’s Lynch especially the last few hours.

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prod received
also huh
i volunteer for self destruct tomorrow
i would much rather do that then let myself get mislynched on a day closer to mylo

HEY NO YOU I volunteered first

What if we gave the suicide power to imho obvTown in the lynch pool and they exploded on you.

Are you both still willing then?

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@Nero best if you just read a small subset than me explain it. This up to lynch IMHO explains it.

viewtopic.php?p=10364311#p10364311

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prod received
also huh
i volunteer for self destruct tomorrow
i would much rather do that then let myself get mislynched on a day closer to mylo

HEY NO YOU I volunteered first

What if we gave the suicide power to imho obvTown in the lynch pool and they exploded on you.

Are you both still willing then?

from what i have read i am one of those slots that was fairly townread but is in the pool still for some reason
though i will note that i would suggest against your plan for the simple reason that it involves obvtown people dying which i would think is a poor choice

It's not my plan. It's what you and worst suggested but the smart way. As mentioned earlier I'm sketched out by the suggestion in general.
This way we minimize the risk of scum giving powers. I (and I don't think Sakura would) wouldn't give a widely scumread player a power to then potentially blow up on a universal townread that has SS and BP. Sando I think is town and right now we can afford 1-1 trades especially if both are in our lynch pool.

That is the only way I see self destruction ever being a thing. Anything else I would regard as a scum claim without a damn good explanation.

Like I'm thinking if we do this, Sando blows up the worst so he gets the worst lynch he's been wanting.

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prod received
also huh
i volunteer for self destruct tomorrow
i would much rather do that then let myself get mislynched on a day closer to mylo

HEY NO YOU I volunteered first

What if we gave the suicide power to imho obvTown in the lynch pool and they exploded on you.

Are you both still willing then?

from what i have read i am one of those slots that was fairly townread but is in the pool still for some reason
though i will note that i would suggest against your plan for the simple reason that it involves obvtown people dying which i would think is a poor choice

It's not my plan. It's what you and worst suggested but the smart way. As mentioned earlier I'm sketched out by the suggestion in general.
This way we minimize the risk of scum giving powers. I wouldn't (and I don't think Sakura would) give a widely scumread player a power to then potentially blow up on a universal townread that has SS and BP. Sando I think is town and right now we can afford 1-1 trades especially if both are in our lynch pool.

That is the only way I see self destruction ever being a thing. Anything else I would regard as a scum claim without a damn good explanation.

Like I'm thinking if we do this, Sando blows up the worst so he gets the worst lynch he's been wanting.

edited to fix parenthesis replacement

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@Sakura my thoughts exactly regarding the whoever's town paragraph.

I'll reevaluate hebi based on what you said up there. That is a good point.

What do you make of worst and theta wanting to take suicide bomber (especially Theta wanting but not wanting to be on the victim side)? Mainly I'd rather discuss it now while people aren't ending the day and things are kinda slow. I know my gut is saying not to do the plan but mainly I want to see what reads wise shakes out of the suggestion.

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Theta's sign makes me think he needs to go asap

*she
and yeah
my own thought process is i am going to die anyways so might as well give town an extra kill in the process

*FACEPALM!* I knew that from grits SEO too. sorry D:

that's kinda how I feel about my slot as well. there's enough people pussyfooting around certain aspects of the lynchpool that I think quite a few lategame mislynches are being set up here--I feel your slot and mine are in similar boats.

pretty sure Mathblade is just ignoring the suggestion to nuke the lynchpool tho. I'm a bit disappointed he can't be bothered sorting us into probabilities of being town & following instructions but whatever.

I am not ignoring it. I'm trying to do a risk versus reward analysis. Ignoring it would be "hell no". My answer is "I'm sketched out but let me analyze it." Right now, I don't want to give scum powers and potentially assassinate the town block. I'm asking Sakura for her opinion as well.

I'm also wanting other people to contribute. I do have my opinions and I have been following instructions, and if you feel I'm not then please point out where. We need more people to talk to find scum.

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The leader doesnt choose which power people get, the people themselves chosen by the leader chose which power they want, so we cant trust that you will indeed take the suicide bomber over something like super strength that will bypass bulletproof if you're scum.

And furthermore we can’t trust if scum takes it and knows they have to suicide they don’t hit an immune townie.

That is why if we do it we have to give it to people that we townread in the lynchpool as to avoid these complications.

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Plus the math is horribly off. For every bomber there is a two step decrease in player count.

It’s a hella risky idea. Which is why I am sketched out when we have the advantage right now.

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we cen get self detonation tomorrow night right? so it will be a plan for 2 days later in game. The number might be way shorter than what you're saying which is actually a positive thing for that plan

I am thinking if we do this (which I am not so sure about) we force them to go off that night on predefined targets rather than during the day.

This means scum can’t kill one of the recipients and stop it from going off.

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also lurk creature is scum creature. kill that?

Creature isn’t lurking?

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Did nancy even show up today?

did she claim what she did picked 2?

She asked for help catching up and I got swamped sorry. Maybe quote it again?

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is petrification available the night bomb is out there?

Yes it is

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Math I assume I can't ask the mod yet, so I'm asking you, does the self detonation count as a night action? Could a scum use BP overnight and then blow themselves up safely the next day do you think?

It seems to count as a night action it doesn’t have the SS modifier that was there and is listed like a regular power.

I don’t think scum could do that based on the formatting

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say you pick 2 scum and 1 town to give it to. you lose 3-4 town + 2 scum? that's..... sensational?

say you pick 3 town, you lose 3-6 townies who need to die for you to sort the rest of the list, plus 0-3 scum depending literally on how many scum are in the lynchpool

actually I liked this math

If everyone likes this can we plan it out though?

1) We give powers and targets during the day; deviating from them at night is a scum claim
2) We have to make sure that the most trust worthy get bombs like Stun Creature and Sando

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a bunch of bulletproof trackers will be awfully hard for scum to kill....

Tracker doesn’t make them harder to kill.

They can be BP or track not both.

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also lurk creature is scum creature. kill that?

Creature isn’t lurking?

posts like nothing until he's called out for playing in his scum meta
posts a few somewhat nuanced posts
goes back to posting minimally

Have a little faith in me I can read Creature. <3

Like I am pretty sure Sando Stun and Creature are all town. Add one more then distribute the bombs and force them to go off at night.

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I am kinda thinking this might just work.

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it completely depends on just how the power works and who we trust to let take it

like i think it would be safest to put it in the hands of the slot that we trust the most, but that could still be scum, like maybe theta alpine

I don’t trust Theta Alpine lol

Slot needs to die

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zmuffinman’s slot had a very early wagon push by a handful of sketchy players on d1 running contrary to titus AND numbers wagon. it is unlikely theta’s slot is scum, but possible

Zmuffin is a better player than to post that dumb meta argument. It’s a BoP read and Theta has lurksacked.

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do you think there were 3 main scum wagons that day? i don’t

I think I need another scum flip
Titus wine is too strong.

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When we talk about "free" kills with the bomb, imagine if Titus had bomb yesterday. We were <12 hours from deadline, Titus could have just blown up Math/Sakura and suddenly we've got a couple of hours to get another lynch done or our leader is on the chopping block overnight.

very good loophole to point out

this is a potential trouble of the bomb plan

We just require them to go off at night on a predetermined target or it is a scum claim.

Problem solved.

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We established scum lack power negate so there should be no way to stop them.

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When we talk about "free" kills with the bomb, imagine if Titus had bomb yesterday. We were <12 hours from deadline, Titus could have just blown up Math/Sakura and suddenly we've got a couple of hours to get another lynch done or our leader is on the chopping block overnight.

very good loophole to point out

this is a potential trouble of the bomb plan

We just require them to go off at night on a predetermined target or it is a scum claim.

Problem solved.

I'm sure there's a way to do it, but do we want to put this in the hands of someone that claimed to forget to vote N1?

Oh sorry guys I forgot to submit that last night, should I still do it? Oh it's like 60-40 that I should still do it, not sure it's a great idea. Oh look yeah but we've been talking for 4 days maybe it's too late in the day, tonight I promise!!

I have faith in so few people this game to actually act rationally here, putting a requirement of the majority of town players acting rationally in a short period of time...colour me sceptical

That’s why the town block would plan it out and agree if we do this.

Town block says (this is an example it may need tweaking )
Sando you blow up on Worst
Nos you blow up on Kokichi
Creature you blow up on Hebichan
Tor you blow up on Theta
Stun you blow up on <fuck I forget who is left in the pool>

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When we talk about "free" kills with the bomb, imagine if Titus had bomb yesterday. We were <12 hours from deadline, Titus could have just blown up Math/Sakura and suddenly we've got a couple of hours to get another lynch done or our leader is on the chopping block overnight.

very good loophole to point out

this is a potential trouble of the bomb plan

We just require them to go off at night on a predetermined target or it is a scum claim.

Problem solved.

I'm sure there's a way to do it, but do we want to put this in the hands of someone that claimed to forget to vote N1?

Oh sorry guys I forgot to submit that last night, should I still do it? Oh it's like 60-40 that I should still do it, not sure it's a great idea. Oh look yeah but we've been talking for 4 days maybe it's too late in the day, tonight I promise!!

I have faith in so few people this game to actually act rationally here, putting a requirement of the majority of town players acting rationally in a short period of time...colour me sceptical

That’s why the town block would plan it out and agree if we do this.

Town block says (this is an example it may need tweaking )
Sando you blow up on Worst
Nos you blow up on Kokichi
Creature you blow up on Hebichan
Tor you blow up on Theta
Stun you blow up on Gamma

Fixeded

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... but what if nancydrew has been deepwolfing us all along? does that factor in?

too much of a risk to have locktown slots suicide bomb

Nancy drew in that case loses.

Me FA Sakura Drixx stomp her butt.

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... but what if nancydrew has been deepwolfing us all along? does that factor in?

too much of a risk to have locktown slots suicide bomb

They are townreads not lock town.

As long as the townblock remains intact eliminating the entire lynchpool is win win.

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ok, i am down with the plan! i will take a one for one, but would prefer to use it on a slot i find scummy

Like I said it may need tweaking but as long as Sando Creature and you get bombs I am down for exploding the lynch pool. The worst convinced me by making me think about it. Maybe the worst too.

Meh there is time for that later submitting my list of choices for PRs tonight since no one objected

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istg if drixx is scum though...

fa, sakura, and math are all townier overall than drixx imo

If Drixx is scum he deserves it.

Some of those posts were so damn Townie I could post them in the newbie queue and say “here is how to town”.

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we get [probably] two flips before we have to pick which slots get self detonation
and [probably] four flips before we have to pick who dies
the only thing we have to do right now is finalize who will be voting for which potential leader tonight

The main issue with waiting is that
1) The power may not be available
2) So we have to decide tomorrow who gets the bomb(s)

If we decide who gets the bombs we have to leash them to prevent scum from just taking out whoever or making shit up like “I never got a power” or “I tried to blow them up maybe a factional stopped me” or scum kill the person with the bomb to prevent dying.

Mainly that’s the problem with waiting to do it. If we do it it has to be that night.

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Honestly tho, this post has been bothering me a lot:

Btw general Cerb thoughts

pm

FA's list should be Drixx and Shiro, and that's it nobody else.

Nos might be town, and math might also be town. However, if he thinks that if he was killed based on expectations people then randomidgets slot is a likely suspect, as are Drixx and Titus to a lesser extent.

He also notes that the kill strategys so far have been really good since scum go for broadly townread targets by the leader but not the obvious choice.

Can someone please tell me if im overthinking it? Cerb had a 75% town read on Titus and a 99% town read on Drixx, but idk if this means that there's a connection between scum!Titus and Drixx or im just getting paranoid.

Drixx imho I have a soulread on. Like he’s right under you in townreads.

I do not see him being scum with Titus at all

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You're probably right.
Im also wondering why did Tora target Drixx

I asked that and got told that noooo UFO is town don’t worry about that XD

Please I wanna see where that goes.

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Leader votes who is voting Sakura and who is voting Drixx

We want slightly more on Sakura

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VOTE: hebichan

Explain please

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We split it 9&9 if memory serves.

Maybe I was leader via coin toss?

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Or Scum team feels more comfortable with you leading and piled on. Maybe someone on your Town list knows they would have been going into the power room if you were leader. Anyone you and Sakura would have disagreed with as far as power picks would have been concerned?

I think it’s more Titus views me as really bad when town. She probably expected me to not town block. Oh just lesser of two evils or a coin toss.

I don’t see much if any disagreement with Sakura on reads.

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I just am really confused by recent posting? It looks like Toognis trying to push something I am not sure what though.

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@Sakura it’s a busy day at work for me can you please run leader totals?

I will be checking off and on time permitting

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am i missing someone? the voter tally seems wrong. answer: yes - creature!



sakura voters: toranaga (?), nancy drew 39 (?), sando (?), drixx (?), stungun, frozen angel (?), nosferatu (?), gamma emerald, tw (?)

drixx voters: math, sakura, katsuki (?), kokichi (?), hebichan (?), theta alpine (?), creature (?)

Something like this, i think.

I swapped to Sakura based on the arguments before.

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I haven’t gotten a confirmation from DW he got my list and leaders need to be sorted.

Don’t hammer yet people.

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I'm surprised that you didn't push for 10-8 Vote split yesterday (doesn't matter on who), just to see if shenanigans were afoot.

I didnt think about it yesterday, it's something that occured to me today.
@Math: If you or Stun could keep track of who wants to vote for who, that'd be great.

Side-Note: Im starting to lose interest in lynching toog.

+1 I can’t at work sorry

It’s hard enough phone posting on lunch breaks

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Nope, still have no motivation for this game.

My lynch pool is probably creature, kokichi, nero cain. Probably someone else from Titus' power list. Maybe

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Nos and gamma seem pretty normal to me compared to what I know from them.

I don't think drixx or sando really make sense with titus as scum.

p-edit: VOTE: toog

Don't freaking @ scum, even sarcastically. Even I know Kokichi hasn't been picked for a hero team yet.

Hebi, how much of this game have you read?

Wagoning a dead person is literally beating a dead horse

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Is it stupid or just scum last ditch efforts?

Think about it

Scum was with Titus and Titus tried the stupid bit
She probably give scum!Toog a bit to follow

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Nope, still have no motivation for this game.

My lynch pool is probably creature, kokichi, nero cain. Probably someone else from Titus' power list. Maybe

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Nos and gamma seem pretty normal to me compared to what I know from them.

I don't think drixx or sando really make sense with titus as scum.

p-edit: VOTE: toog

Don't freaking @ scum, even sarcastically. Even I know Kokichi hasn't been picked for a hero team yet.

Hebi, how much of this game have you read?

Wagoning a dead person is literally beating a dead horse

he was at l-2 with sakura thinking of getting off the wagon, how is he dead? Unless I'm missing something.

Ank was killed. Like wtf?

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And Ank is a she

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And I am now revitalized for a Toog lynch once Dream weaver confirms my submission

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fine edit

sakura voters: toranaga (?), nancy drew 39 (?), sando (?), drixx (?), stungun, frozen angel (?), nosferatu (?), gamma emerald, hebichan

drixx voters: math, sakura, nero cain (?), kokichi (?), theta alpine (?), creature (?), tw (?)

we’ll just go ahead and move a scumpool member over to drixx

I was gonna be on sakura as I have said multiple times but I guess the fates will that I vote for Drixx lol

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Town block says (this is an example it may need tweaking )
Sando you blow up on Worst
Nos you blow up on Kokichi
Creature you blow up on Hebichan
Tor you blow up on Theta
Stun you blow up on Gamma

if kokichi cannot obtain powers

i will take up the mantle to put him out of his misery

Why did you edit me out of the list
While I'd rather remain in the game, it just seems weird, I don't recall you explicitly townreading me

You weren’t taken out I forgot you existed and fixed it in a later post

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Ewww but then Nero is left alive.

Crap there will be time to tweak

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Oh and I have confirmation from the mod they got my list so yay

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i’m kinda liking creature, toogeloo, the worst, and kokichi as the main 4 scumpool atm, hmm... want to throw this out there before night phase!

one of them has to be town, i am just not sure which at this moment. what if kokichi is town? maybe creature-toog-tw is scum? tw voted creature to start this day phase, then transitioned over to toogeloo with no problem, hmm.

Nah Creature still has main townread status for me. Call it gut if you like. Sando and he are pretty much I would just count on being town

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VOTE: hebichan

Explain please

he's voting his scumbuddy b/c he knows Toog is going to flip town. If Creature were town I'd expect him to sheep here.

My lynch pool is probably creature, kokichi,

nero cain.

y?

Ewww but then Nero is left alive.

y do you want me dead?

I was kinda hoping you'd justify your vote on me

wanted to see if you got all OMGUSy like you do as town.

Because scum has to be in a certain set of players. If those all die then we win.

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Because scum has to be in a certain set of players. If those all die then we win.

sure but that's any game. Why do you think MY slot is scum?

I wouldn’t have you in my bottom three but you’re getting there.

And it’s because your push on Drixx is soooo bad and he is obvTown to me.

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hrmmmm...I swore we were in another game where you were town and YOU SWORE UP AND DOWN that your RFB was not an OMGUS. So it feels a little strange to me that you are admiting to OMGUSy play here.

Civ 5 UPick yeah
I thought about it and realized that yeah it pretty much was OMGUS. And what wrong with OMGUSy reads? I think it's totally normal to read people based off their interactions with you.

There's nothing really wrong with it. The majority of our attackers are going to be town though so that's why things like Slayers gambit are pretty much fucking fail. Who is scum and why.

Tell that to Labryinth I acted dumb and my town team won and I was the NK

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Cerb was 75% confident that Titus was town, not saying Drixx isn’t but I don’t really understand why you are so convinced Drixx is obvtown but suspicious of Tor.

I think Math has a crush on him.

Flattered but I am straight. XD Chicks are gorgeous

I wouldn’t mind borrowing his brain a few days though.

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There's a power of detonation coming up tmrw which can be used during the day and kills both the user and the target. I'm suggesting tomorrow's leader gives it to the townier half of the lynchpool (everyone outside the townblock ) and they use it on the lower half to nuke the fuck out of the entire lynchpool!

that way BAM we instantly know how many deepwolved have infiltrated the townblock. Worst case scenario I think it comes down to 9v3 or 7v3 or something which is still easily winnable.


pedit: correct
Problem?

Has to be used at night.

Otherwise scum kill those that receive the bomb.

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That's the idea Nancy, problem is, that the day suicide bomb is availaible, so is Petrify

I don’t see the problem here?

If petrifications get used then whoever didn’t die gets lynched because they petrified.

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Ok, im starting to get it.
Plan is if scum gets power they either get suicide bomb and use it (and die) or dont (and get lynched), and if scum didnt get power nor is in the lynchpool we accelerate 3 game days of 6 questionable ppl dying (hopefully 1-3 scum dying amongst them) instead of 1 questionable player and 1 obvtown.

Did i get that right?

That’s the idea but instead of giving it to scum who are asking we give it to obvTown still in the lynchpool like Sando and Creature and they hit the scummiest thus minimizing risk of Petrification

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We just compile a list and force the more Townie players to denotate on the target we assign them. No deviation allowed.

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I will also GLADLY suicide bomber myself against creature.

Absolutely not.

I want to test Creature and have him explode on someone.

I have my reasons.

Have faith please Hebichan.

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why is creature town though? like he just that overall icky feeling to me where i can’t townread him just like in past scum games

sando is more obvtown than creature imho

I can’t explain it but it’s like that feeling when you just know.

Like he is town here. I had the same feeling with Drixx and people said I was crazy.

I haven’t been wrong on a townread yet. Please.

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Are you across Creature's current scumreads meta Mathblade?

I don’t understand this question ?

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rip. his current scum meta.

Yes. I am aware.

He also said he had RL earlier and has been active here besides that. The speed of the thread is really camouflaging his activity and making him seem lurkier.

Either way he dies. But if he is scum he blows me up. It’s literally my butt at stake. He is still gonna die.

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They could that’s why I am campaigning for those I trust.

Because it’s gonna be MY ass on the line if I am wrong on any of them.

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Math, why couldn’t any of the SB’s target someone in the townblock?

Do you think town would target someone in the townbloc or otherwise someone that they werent instructed to?
Scum certainly would, but they'd die too.

While I think it is possible they would have to go in completely have cocked and arrogant that they would know better than all the town block and all of the rest of the game. Especially if they haven’t been campaigning the block is bad. The only person who could be town and do that would be Nero and imho that would be remarkably stupid.

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Also what is with that attidue? why would you answer that with a question and react to me like this now that I'm asking about it?

Uhmmm FA you forget you’re complaining about a small about ND has been gone for a few days and catching up.

The crumb is also blatantly obvious IMHO. :/

At work with work emergency.

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Nero's top five: creature, Gamma, Kokichi, hebi, and Drixx
stunguns top five: nosferatu, gamma emerald, hebichan, creature, kokichi

Top five scum or town?

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We can have 5 suicide bombers?

6 technically if we want the leader to do it as well.

5 is plenty.

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We can have 5 suicide bombers?

6 technically if we want the leader to do it as well.

5 is plenty.

What happens when someone designated to die claims not to have been given a power?

First that is an if then we lynch between the leader of that day and that person (and because the leader is regarded as obvTown it’s almost certainly that person lying) we lynch the person who claimed not to get the power and if they didn’t actually get the power the former leader is confirmed scum. Either way we get a scum so it’s silly of the leader not to give out as expected

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@ Math
@ TW
@Sando

top 5 to kill?

Will answer when I get home.

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So working from this list

Creature

-- Likely mislynch

Drixx

-- Was left off the list per Titus's claims but moonlogicky possible on N2 but I doubt it

Frozen Angel

-- on the list
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Katsuki
Kokichi Oma

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Nancy Drew 39

-- Both of us on the list
Nosferatu

Sakura Hana

Sando
stungun0404
Theta Alpine
the worst
Toogeloo
Toranaga

So someone in this list

Mafiascum is super slow for me atm so I'm gonna be back later and hopefully it's better.

IMHO I would remove sando and possibly toranaga from today's lynch pool entirely. Sando is a very likely mislynch. if you think creature was then surely you can glean that too

I believe sando was much more of a mislynch than creature, at least basing off the content of their posts

On Sando, I could see a bad bus scenario because there was time to change. However I do find the odds of that so remote as to take him out of the lynchpool today. Toranaga stays though. He is pinging me hard core.

Take out Creature Take out Sando Take out Stun

Take out Toog because lynch today

This leaves Gamma Hebi Nero Kokichi Theta the worst and UFO

I am thinking Hebi UFO Theta and Nero but a couple of those are really close and those are in no particular order

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@mathblade: you forgot about nosferatu. where does nos stand for you atm?

Sorry outside the bottom five still phone posting #derp

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I do think that Creature has a higher chance of flipping scum than Toog.

ME TOO

shall we defy supreme leader mathblade?
#JustAntiheroThings

I'm not supreme leader.

I'm just really exhausted. I mean look at how Titus died. I doubt she takes scum with her. That's silliness.

I gotta go to sleep but really just Creature scum does not make sense here.

Why would Titus who was going down, rat out a third teammate?

The wagon started right after open on Creature. If scum he was UTR at that point. Titus isn't stupid.

The simplest answer of Toog being scum IMHO is obvious.

Like I said we can give Creature a bomb tomorrow and this is handled. I want the bombs going to people whom I trust. It's my judgment on the line. And if Creature flips scum after blowing up on me you can have all the "ha ha ha" post game that you want. I will even make a meme

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VOTE: creature

VOTE: Creature

Why not? Better than Katsuki.

Start here. Like Titus does not do this to a buddy on her last legs after being on a buddy’s wagon d1. Look at the events after.

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Also what is with that attidue? why would you answer that with a question and react to me like this now that I'm asking about it?

Uhmmm FA you forget you’re complaining about a small about ND has been gone for a few days and catching up.

The crumb is also blatantly obvious IMHO. :/

At work with work emergency.

I didn't see it and I want to know it.

I've been gone for few days cause I don't have unlimited free time. again what is with this attidue? wasn't she also gone for few days before that?

I will let her explain not gonna try at midnight when it’s my read.

And neither do I. I am not giving attitude it just feels like you were expecting Nancy to have seen all of your posts and be caught up when she was on VLA.

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Yeah, im 100% sure scum!Titus would tell me Creature is town because she has a non busing meta, mhm.

Like she got real annoyed by the fact that I thought she was busing.

Is this sarcasm or serious?

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if you're still talking about the bomb plan there is only one issue with it: the people we choose happen to be all scum and get ability powers that will win the game in that night. I don't think we will be in a nearly loosing scenario in 2 days so the plan should be safe.

First The bomb may not be available in 2 days FA.
Second if the people all happen to be scum should not be a thing. We are picking the townreads. If we pick all scum we deserve to lose because as a collective our reads sucked.
Third they shouldn’t be able to
The town block activates BP
There shouldn’t be enough people for scum to kill and/or not enough powers. Please double check my math if you like. I am pretty sleepy.

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Let’s assume 15 alive tomorrow and scum NK successful for easy math.
Assume a mislynch for easy math.
14 alive into night. 5 bombs distributed to not obvTown roles
Only two go off. This means 4 kills.
Now add 4 more kills if all take petrify and all successful and NK is successful
This means 14-8 is 6.

They would have to have literally every ability succeed. The odds of that are pretty slim

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VOTE: creature

VOTE: Creature

Why not? Better than Katsuki.

Start here. Like Titus does not do this to a buddy on her last legs after being on a buddy’s wagon d1. Look at the events after.

but she does it to me?

Why am I scum for being suspicious of Drixx but not Creature?

Why is Drixx above suspicion?

Why should anyone trust your obvown Drixx read when you had the same read on him when he was scum in Civ?

Because I hydra’d with him and have spent time listening to him and learning from him

I have not and aim to never have the same failures I had in Civ.

However when working with people they also found key strengths in those games which were my town reads.

So a mentor I have challenges me to town block more despite my hatred of them in general because it’s where my strengths lie and then scum hunt second.

So yes I had a bad game everyone does.

I can also point out where I swept a scum team here and got vigged for it once the sntitown spam jobs were dead. I can point out a mash where I named almost the entire scumteam.

Prior games doesn’t discount my reads here

Titus tried the same shtick it means my town reads were and are right

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Let’s assume 15 alive tomorrow and scum NK successful for easy math.
Assume a mislynch for easy math.
14 alive into night. 5 bombs distributed to not obvTown roles
Only two go off. This means 4 kills.
Now add 4 more kills if all take petrify and all successful and NK is successful
This means 14-8 is 6.

They would have to have literally every ability succeed. The odds of that are pretty slim

Also, why is Toog scum for defending Titus but Drixx can defend Titus?

That is apples and oranges. Toog’s defense was practically his entire ISO came at a point when she was wagoned and then made a promise to read the game after her flip.

Now let’s compare that to Drixx.

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I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

This is where Drixx says he needs to analyze Titus.

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they barely interacted (except insofar as numbers quoted him in his first post and later drixx mentioned something about my point on numbers reads list that didnt make much sense and never amounted to anything). nothing to do with numbers really - just most of the active players are probably town and there's scum hiding in the lurkers with zero content

Outright lie by Muffin here. I complimented the point about numbers reads list and how the way it was "balanced" didn't look right.

I am totes cool with lynching this.

The point was that zMuffinMan has been pushing towards a lynch on me all day without any actual reasoning. The first "reasoning" he threw out was lumping me in with inactives ... except I'm here posting fairly regularly in day 2 so that doesn't hold up. So then we get the above quote? It's easy enough to read my ISO and see that I wasn't in any way defending numbers but actually was noting the point was a pretty solid one.

MM's response to me calling out his lie (which to me looks a lot like just being really lazy more than intentionally trying to fool anyone) was good.

Hebichan though? Not so much.

Remember Remember the 20th of ... well shit it doesn't rhyme. Just remember this. The game is stagnant as fuck right now. Cerb was killed for a reason. I'm being killed for a reason, and its not because I had a slow day one. This whole playlist knows me and none of you can honestly say you believe I go low activity as any particular role/alignment. You get what you get. In this case, you get me not having played much so I don't have the usual ten tabs of MS open calling my attention back to the site throughout the day.

But you know ... game is solved. Titus is scum and as a desperation move got made leader and all the rest of scum will be in that list who claimed they forgot to vote, so we win. Right?

He then comes to the conclusion Titus is scum organically. There is development there.

Toog is wanting to save Titus.

If he had made any sort of effort to give a damn I could see town!Toog

Instead he is throwing questions to delay his death.

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Drixx is town and we are lynching Toog

Please don’t stress me out repeatedly every two days until scum find a way to kill me. I don’t think my heart can take it. (This is hyperbole I do not need medical professionals.)

Now please I am going to bed. Please don’t community this shit and end up with a bulletwound and a fire and mod knows what else. Sweet dreams

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VOTE: Toog

This got cut off.

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Prior games doesn’t discount my reads here

Sure but you are using prior experience to explain why you can read Drixx but in that same prior experience, you are misreading him so the "But I've changed! I've learned to read him better!" just falls on deaf ears.

this post was mainly a bunch of hogwash talking about how great you are and doesn't really talk about your hypocrisy concerning me and Creature. I suspect that you are a little angry that I insulted you and you are chainsaw defending Drixx b/c friendship (b/c you defend him every game regardless of alignment.)

...1) I am not misreading him. I have presented multiple cases why I do. If you believe me to be reading him incorrectly then dismantle my points. Help me be better. If you’re just gonna shit on me because of one game a year ago instead of helping me be better you’re a part of the problem. If you think you are the best and don’t teach anyone to be as good as you or better then “good” and “best” have no meaning. So either A) You’re being an arrogant guy who doesn’t actually want to interact with my case B) Titus said the best way to get people not to listen to me is to mention Civ. Like a get out of scum jail free card. Or C) Math night just have a point.

2) Even if I was reading him incorrectly there is nothing useful to help me see why. Yes you insulted me I get insulted A LOT. If you want me to actually give a shit about what you’re saying stop treating me like I can’t play at all and instead treat me like a newbie and go slow if you think I suck.

Drixx is town. Interact with what I have said as to why or fucks given 0.

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All you've said is "I can read Drixx!" If you've thrown out a town Drixx case that I haven't seen b/c like I haven't read 1/5 of this then you can either quote it and I'll listen though you seem to be unwilling to listen to why Drixx could be scum so why should I listen to you but you aren't willing to listen to me?

Also, still not talking about your hypocrisy.

ISO me it’s 12:30
I have provided multiple cases including some at the beginning where Drixx is town
I don’t have hypocrisy to address or if I do I don’t understand it try explaining it again and I will respond tomorrow

I provide a case Drixx is town. Your case must either be better than my case or you have to dismantle mine
A case with weight 10 > case of weight 3 numbers dude
I am willing to listen to someone when they meet me half way. You’re not interested.

I made a post way back in the beginning of my iso that was FA town Drixx town Titus scum go read it

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All you've said is "I can read Drixx!" If you've thrown out a town Drixx case that I haven't seen b/c like I haven't read 1/5 of this then you can either quote it and I'll listen though you seem to be unwilling to listen to why Drixx could be scum so why should I listen to you but you aren't willing to listen to me?

Also, still not talking about your hypocrisy.

I’m willing to listen. What’s your case on him?

No offense to Math but him being NKed in Labrynth, probably helped us win.

I was intentionally being an idiot that game. *sigh*

I was gonna send everyone a friendly hi.

I think the first 10 posts were troll crumbs

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Yeah, im 100% sure scum!Titus would tell me Creature is town because she has a non busing meta, mhm.

Like she got real annoyed by the fact that I thought she was busing.

except she bussed numbers d1, we have already established :-/

Bussing two buddies in a setup where established town has access to a shit ton of BP would be imho literal suicide.

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The first time the petrification power was even available was day three. We have seen no evidence of potential factional KPN increases or scum doing that. If Titus pushed through that lynch on Creature she would know that only buys her time. She was bartering for time.

With how the setup was and who looks to be unkillable Titus is smart scum. She would not implode like that. Any wagon she endorsed would almost certainly be on town.

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Her last few begs were have Ank “confirm me” let Shiro explain.

Titus wanted into the town block but in order to do that she had to give town all powers and live.

Her gambit failed and that is what we see here.

I have to go to work but if Creature is scum Titus was gamethrowingly bad.

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@Nero: If you're right and Drixx is scum then we need to reasses the other potential leader for tomorrow.
As far as Drixx goes, im sure a good bunch of people are just sheeping Cerb's 99% read on them.
There's also Tora saying Drixx used the BP last night instead of going for literally anything else if scum.
There's also Cerb saying that rando, Titus and Drixx make sense as scum that would shoot him.

In my reads list near EoD for D3 i also mentioned i ONLY had Drixx as strong town because of Cerb's read.

What is your take on all this?

Drixx is scum if and only if Tora is.

While Tora is possible especially with his recent wtf pushes me I just don’t see scum tying themselves together this hard. Drixx is town.

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if he is a wolf his play isn't anti town, yes? he is only being anti-town if he is town. and you just said "scummy", which literally means indicative of scum, and not anti-town. and yes both are nonsensical stances to have so I don't agree with them.

This is literally the silliest thing I have read this morning.

Scum can be anti town by definition. Scum can be scummy by definition.

Like this is stupid. It feels like you’re attacking anyone you can at this point.

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Speaking of.
I recall that yesterday at some point I thought Titus was town coz she gave powers to town and not to scum as the leash forced her to do so, Math argued that this is Titus trying to be townread or get in the townbloc. In addition to that Titus was confirmed to have precognition by Math.
Now apparently the logic that Creature is scum leads to the complete opposite when we already knew Titus was scum and telling the truth, and even according to Titus wanting to be "confirmed by Ank" would imply Ank did get a power (but scum killed Shiro anyway so we dont know).

So Titus isnt gamethrowing but apparently gave power to town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and got lynched anyway.
Why wouldnt scum!Titus bus creature in an effort to make creature look townier as she was going down?

Omg Titus did have precognition.
Number two Titus said she was town because she gave powers to town
Number three we are pretty damn well sure everyone in the block is town otherwise people in the block would be dead.
Number four Titus does not bus Creature there because then if she succeeeds and Ank even agrees with what she said it only buys time. She gets lynched next day or day after.

This means two scum to go through the rest of the game without powers and without abilities.

What the ever loving fuck?

This feels like Titus 2.0 :/

I have to work like what is this?

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She needed to set up mislynches for future days.

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I'm going to reevaluate. The problem is i haven't had the damn time yet. Don't push this on me fifteen minutes after i realize i am wrong

I am pushing you not because you haven’t reevaluated yet, but because you instantly dropped a vote before you did.

I officially hate the Creature wagon. I want nothing to do with it.

Took me a second to put my finger on it but this.

Takes the time to do a bunch of work and then posts it to ... prove ... what? No re-evaluation and no real sign of anywhere near that for the Critter vote.

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Titus did that so we would mislynch Creature.

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Like if Creature is scum and explodes on me the next night not only will you have your ha ha I told you so if somehow he can get through all the BP that guards against such a thing then fine I will concede that I am horrible

And if you lynch him today and by some miracle Titus was the stupidest scum to ever play mafia and bussed Creature distribute the goddamn bombs in the lynchpool and have that pool just go ape shit because then we just fucking win

But we do not let people in the lynchpool override the goddamn block that we have been set up. Like that is a recipe for disaster

Pedit omg what is this? Yes it fuckig is possible Sakura I have done it before in multiple games. Hell I know exactly how to get people to do exactly what I want as scum.

Like when Creature flips green don’t come crying to me. And if he flips red I will shut the fuck up about who in the lynchpool gets bombs then just the superobvtown block remains

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You still haven’t said why my plan is inferior.

If Creature is scum he has to take me out tomorrow. We just give him a bomb

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...Potential scum asks for bomb “Sure that’s fine”
Again if Creature is a wolf scum need me dead to win. If Creature is scum and you are town that is win win for you, you don’t have to deal with me any more. If Creature is town then I survive. I just feel like you’re just tunneling atm.

I have to focus now but seriously. You’re spending all this time bickering about a slot that no matter what will die.

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...Potential scum asks for bomb “Sure that’s fine”
Again if Creature is a wolf scum need me dead to win. If Creature is scum and you are town that is win win for you, you don’t have to deal with me any more. If Creature is town then I survive. I just feel like you’re just tunneling atm.

I have to focus now but seriously. You’re spending all this time bickering about a slot that no matter what will die.

and why does scum need to kill you again?

Because they won’t ever mislynch me. If they don’t kill me they lose.

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....Really I don’t have enough facepalms.

Not only is it impossible to bus Titus there bussing her like that there is stupid

Like what?

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Because like what?

I just can’t even.

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it is impossible to bus titus? why is that?

I would have to be scum.

And if I was scum with the situation here bussing Titus there and fighting for it is dumb.
My entire scum meta is built on giving towns what they want.
In Mod is Mafia they wanted a leader
In Gistou they wanted setup answers
In Shadowrun they wanted a townblock

Here every day has been a fucking fight. You think I then make things infinitely harder?

Like I feel dumber each time I read your posts.

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You’re literally going off the tinfoil deep end.

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I understand my word won’t be trusted and my reads discarded.

I don’t understand how I would look shitty after coming in and nailing a majority of my reads single handed stopping a Drixx mislynch getting everyone here BP to where we fucking survive anything.

It would just be Math is an idiot all over the thread.

But instead you are assuming I am an idiot because I disagree with you on Creature because Titus and to a small bit Nero (not sure if his is a scum agenda or not) have used the power of suggestion to say I suck.

Give me a chance to prove myself. Lynch Toog who doesn’t want to be here and give Creature a bomb.

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And actually wait...I don’t believe I ever said Shiro was scum. I was just sorting it?

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Like I said I thought Shiro was town but was using Cerb to boost his reads.

I am legit confused on how that is scumreading Shiro. I said Shiro’s reads were bad and they were. Wtf?

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Speaking of.
I recall that yesterday at some point I thought Titus was town coz she gave powers to town and not to scum as the leash forced her to do so, Math argued that this is Titus trying to be townread or get in the townbloc. In addition to that Titus was confirmed to have precognition by Math.
Now apparently the logic that Creature is scum leads to the complete opposite when we already knew Titus was scum and telling the truth, and even according to Titus wanting to be "confirmed by Ank" would imply Ank did get a power (but scum killed Shiro anyway so we dont know).

So Titus isnt gamethrowing but apparently gave power to town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and got lynched anyway.
Why wouldnt scum!Titus bus creature in an effort to make creature look townier as she was going down?

Omg Titus did have precognition.
Number two Titus said she was town because she gave powers to town
Number three we are pretty damn well sure everyone in the block is town otherwise people in the block would be dead.
Number four Titus does not bus Creature there because then if she succeeeds and Ank even agrees with what she said it only buys time. She gets lynched next day or day after.

This means two scum to go through the rest of the game without powers and without abilities.

What the ever loving fuck?

This feels like Titus 2.0 :/

I have to work like what is this?

umm, she moved back to her own wagon though before creature lynch was serious iirc

Nope. Iirc she was on Creature til she self hammered when she was at l-1 to stop conversation.

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VOTE: creature

VOTE: Creature

Why not? Better than Katsuki.

Creature vote

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VOTE: Titus

This game became a chore ages ago.

Self vote. No other votes in between

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VOTE: Titus

as she is gone already. I don't know if this is l1 or hammer.

pedit: L1 then

good night o/

I can't stay awake for an hour. its 2 am here.

just vote her then

The conversation was heading toward her hammer anyway. The only reason she did was to end conversation and Tora hammered literally the same minute.

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At 7 hours till deadline yes

So then the statement by Stun was false. She was on Creature until her hammer was inevitable.

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you're right, after they die if they flip town then ill townread them and if they flip scum then ill scumread them

(not an actual serious post)

Lol the sad thing is I remember this being a serious post from someone somewhere XD

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@Nero next person with the most votes
@Nero I am the person who suggested Sakura/Drixx combo. What we have been doing is last leader picks two we vote from to prevent scum picking one of their own.

I feel like we had an even distribution plan that enforced Sakura and scum are going “nope” especially with the number of leader choices.

I feel like scum are trying to sabotage everything they can today. It’s really depressing to come back to the thread think all is good and nope.

What are your thoughts regarding that?

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Otherwise Sakura should have been leader over Math.

scum wanted Math as leader? She prob town reading atleast one scum.

...I am he please. ?? Assuming you meant to suggest I am townreading a scum.

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Ok so for easier understanding for you Nero, here's how it works.

Whoever living player at the end of the night who receives the most votes becomes leader.
If there's a tie, then there's a bunch of tiebreaker rules in the setup section, which are pretty easy to track around.

So let's assume the scenario of 10v6 which is the safest scenario where scum cant reach 10 too and hope for a tiebreak.
If i die and all 3 remaining scum are on the 6, they can pile 3 votes on their preferred leader (or 2 votes in a scum leader) and could win a tiebreak.
If all 3 remaining scum are on my wagon, then they can shift the wagon towards the 6 vote player (10-3 = 7, 6+3 = 9).

It mostly depends if u have a backup that you can trust.

Now as i said already, the only way i die tonight is if Math doesnt give me power, or scum gets power tonight. Which also gives information to look into tonight's team for scum (math included).

As for a difference in reads... If you think Math is townreading a scum that im scumreading i think Drixx would be the closest to that. As I have stated yesterday i was literally only TRing Drixx because of Cerb who is supposedly very familiar with Drixx, said Drixx was 99% town.

Please just this.

I feel like people are trying to compete for who can Tinfoil mechanic the most.

Just Sakura and Drixx and a smaller amount on Drixx done

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why would you do that though
if sakura dies and the contingency does not become leader in my plan
then at least two of the people who were supposed to vote the contingency are scum

That =?

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I actually think Nero should be part of the townbloc.
This is 95% Nero's town meta (the 5% if he was able to emulate his town meta as scum within the last 1-2 months)

I agree he looks townie I am just really concerned in general. Like I feel like he is working against everything town is doing. Which is a problem if he is blocked.

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fine. why don’t we nominate fa again @mathblade?

are you really more certain drixx is town than fa at this point?

I townread him. I originally wanted Drixx to come out more. He’s been really quiet, when people pointed out a few things I was all for Sakura leader.

Mainly Sando and a couple others were against leader repeats. So I was trying to do what I thought best for the gamestate.

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Mainly Sando and a couple others were against leader repeats. So I was trying to do what I thought best for the gamestate.

One thing to consider is you need someone at least notionally onboard with your bomb theory.

Are you okay with FA again?

Like there are very few people who are actually universally townread whom I trust to follow the plan.

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sorry whose bomb theory? I'm taking credit for this :3

Credit’s all yours. I just tweaked it slightly

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I actually think Nero should be part of the townbloc.
This is 95% Nero's town meta (the 5% if he was able to emulate his town meta as scum within the last 1-2 months)

I agree he looks townie I am just really concerned in general. Like I feel like he is working against everything town is doing. Which is a problem if he is blocked.

i dont think he's specifically working against everything town is doing.
up until now everyone was agreeing with everything the town bloc did, or most of them at least, having someone come in with contrarian opinions encourages discussion and finding potential issues with our way of thinking that we may have overlooked.

Opposition if necessary if we are going to solve this game.

this + sakura death meaning we would need to re-evaluate the townbloc anyways leads me to suggest nero as the contingency now

I don’t trust Nero not to hero shit. :/ like I don’t know if he even understands what the idea is.

I would much prefer Sakura or FA.

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Are you okay with FA again?

Like there are very few people who are actually universally townread whom I trust to follow the plan.

Better than no-one, not my first choice, but it's only backup anyway.

K then Sakura and FA seems fine.

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O btw we should not ever say who's gonna get a bomb it's prolly better to say like for example

one of:
{tw, mith}
{zoraster, ut}

etc. etc.

sorry still strung out on how fucking good this idea is


pedit: I heartily condone Sakura>FA fwiw

We need to say who gets a bomb and who explodes on who for two reasons
1) If everyone explodes on the same person that is a lot of needless death to kill one person
2) For accountability reasons if someone is supposed to go off on a player and “hero” suicides or takes out a member of the town block we can then trace it back. I have no idea how they are going to flip if it’s “X suicides and kills Y” or just “Y dies overnight”

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Oh yeah, math, make sure u got ur team list sent to the mod, make sure ur decission of backup leader is final coz that's the one i need to be voting.
Sando and Stun, and maybe Nero, u can check in with everyone in which of the 2 leader wagons they want to be and make a list that satisfies what you guys want but also the numbers that we want, im fine with whatever you guys want.
Once everything's fine ill vote Toog even tho i have nfi if im hammering.

Vote FA please.

Sakura and FA leader wagons.

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Works for me.

Remember if you receive a power from my list to take the proper power as discussed earlier. We do not want scum to be able to suicide into the block.

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O btw we should not ever say who's gonna get a bomb it's prolly better to say like for example

one of:
{tw, mith}
{zoraster, ut}

etc. etc.

sorry still strung out on how fucking good this idea is


pedit: I heartily condone Sakura>FA fwiw

We need to say who gets a bomb and who explodes on who for two reasons
1) If everyone explodes on the same person that is a lot of needless death to kill one person
2) For accountability reasons if someone is supposed to go off on a player and “hero” suicides or takes out a member of the town block we can then trace it back. I have no idea how they are going to flip if it’s “X suicides and kills Y” or just “Y dies overnight”

I agree and got distracted half way thru that sorry

say whichever of tw/mith gets a bomb must asplode the other
whichever of zor/ut gets a bomb must asplode the other before the night phase


then leader fullclaims the list of actual recipients at start of the next day

I am okay with a dual system like that. Mainly we need pairs to avoid dogpile situations.

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I also want FA to catch up and give thoughts before I vote. She's been busy, unless she's fine with the day ending and catching up during the night.

Tomorrow is D&D and work for me so you’ll see me around a lot less. I think the main jist is out there so if FA is cool and you’re cool and the plan is cool I am cool.

I confirmed Dream Weaver received my submission so all should be good.

So if y’all finish up you don’t have to wait on me.

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I also want FA to catch up and give thoughts before I vote. She's been busy, unless she's fine with the day ending and catching up during the night.

I think FA should stay off the lynch to help us with determining tiebreakers.

Actually that's another reason NOT to have FA, she loses tiebreakers I think. We're talking low enough numbers for that to matter.

Or add Stun back into the list that I gave for FA voters.

If we have four devoted FA voters who are honest and reliable this shouldn’t be a thing.

I also think we’re getting waaaay into the weeds.

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we're still lynching Toog right

Yep

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Then again sakura shouldn’t die soooooo

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in the scenario where sakura dies and someone other than fa gets leader you can speed-lynch/bomb-kill everyone who was supposed to vote for fa
night-killed players still have their leader votes counted right

I am pretty sure that they do. I think that was asked and answered already

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nero and me will be voting fa alongside sakura
sando will vote sakura if toog flips scum
or fa if toog flips town

??? How do you know what other people will do depending upon what Toog flips?

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Math ... while I'm catching up another chunk of pages, can you gist me on current situation please?

Did you still need this? I have about another 30 minutes before I have to go to sleep.

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Math ... while I'm catching up another chunk of pages, can you gist me on current situation please?

Did you still need this? I have about another 30 minutes before I have to go to sleep.

Better if there's anything in particular you want me to look at or any particular questions.

The suicide bomb plan would be good for you to look at if you could. Make sure we're not fucking anything up.

(Tomorrow one of the powers available is suicide bomb so the high level idea is we just explode all over the people who could be scum.
Gonna write up a post on the specifics here in a sec. )

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So the plan is as follows: Sakura is leader (with an emergency backup of FA that probably won't be necessary unless scum have a death wish)

The leader then picks 3-5 pairs for the suicide bomb to go off in.
This example uses dead people but it's just for sake of clarity and not to get into minutia of who should go off on who.
{Cerb, Ank}
{Titus, Shiro}
{Another pair}
{Another pair}
{Another pair}
[[Pair count flexible as many as we see fit.]]


The leader Sakura gives the power to one of those two people in the pairing with the expectation that they blow up on the opposite.
The pairing is necessary so scum if they had power negate and were hiding it cannot stop the bomb from going off.
If the person in a pairing would be given a power and do not detonate it would be a scum claim. Hero suiciding at this point would be game throwing as the townblock would have all sorts of misdirection powers (like phasing) or BP or whatever protection powers of their choosing up.

That's the gist. There's been lots of talk of who blows up who and lots of differing opinions.

Pedit: I think Nero was the first to mention a scumread on you (so obviously he suggested otherwise) but mainly I swapped to FA after everyone started devolving into their own plans and it all seemed really not good. It kinda turned into a shit show as I was at work/heading home from it. So I just swapped to FA to kinda bring back sanity.

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Further, her buddies didn't move in on me when Titus tried to set up a wagon on me, which says to me that they were already trying to not get tied with Titus.

This post pings me a bit. The reasoning is very flawed.

Let's say that Titus knows she's going to go down. Is trying to set up a wagon on a buddy that has no real chance to succeed within her scum range? Absolutely. Would doing that be useful if said scumbuddy wanted to push the idea later that said wagon didn't move because "the scums" were distancing from Titus? Yep.

So ... hebichan the kind of player who just overlooks the faulty logic?

I think that it's not as flawed as it appears. I think the conclusion is correct but the reason Hebichan gives is bad.

I don't think Titus starts/joins/endorses a wagon on scum as she's going down. Remember at this point 123456789 is already flipped. Titus because of her obvscumminess and the leader bit is not too far behind. Pointing out attention to hebichan (or as some people suggested elsewhere Creature) and getting conversation going about them is poor scum strategy and Titus is better than that. The remaining wolves need to remain hidden to survive so Titus doing that wouldn't happen. The distancing itself is not the issue.

I think that if Titus did do that kind of scum stupidity it would have to be on hebichan however, but not for that post. Although I'm looking at revisiting my reads overnight because I think if hebichan was in a doomed scum role she'd replace out.

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Mainly hebichan and Creature and a majority of other widely contested slots are gonna end up flipped anyway if we do the suicide bomber plan but it's more to establish reads and make sure all is good tonight. So I would focus on the suicide bomber plan and see if there are any major holes or things unaccounted for in it.

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2136 Is the reason I 'd at Drixx.

This went on for way too much. As someone who is friend to both of you:

I kinda didn't like this that much. Like I could see him try to diffuse this fight between FA and Titus. He also kinda fencesits on her.

This post makes it look like you don't actually want to be playing forum mafia. Like ... if you think content coming from a certain slot is worthless to you, then just scroll right on by. No need for this crap.

This ends up making me wonder if you're just making posts like this for LAMIST or something

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I didn't really like how he scolds at ZZ here. It doesn't really feel like scumhunting. I also feel like the bolded is ridiculously dumb and buzzword heat and not a town thought process.

That would be a really good way to get me (and probably others) to decide you need to eat rope. You cannot wind someone up and keep pushing them and then invoke policy lynch on them because they took your bait. It's dirty play.

This is what made me really suspicious, he's threatening ZZ with a lynch for pushing a Titus lynch.

This post feels like so much hedging from someone who is informed. Gut doesn't like.

fusses @ Tor for fussing @ Titus.

who did you vote for leader drixx?

The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.

b/c he voted for Titus?

I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion.

And it has

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more fence sit.

Could someone explain th bold, how did electing Titus as leader cause confusion? Is this scumDrixx that knows scum is the leader and it will cause confusion.

But seriously ... Cerb being night killed early is literally always a reason to suspect me.

Does scumDrixx WIFOM a kill like this?

Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose.

voting someone for attacking Titus. Anyone notice a pattern yet?

kinda skimmed the rest of his ISO but I'm not really seeing much (any?) scumhunting. Mostly just defending himself and trying to figure out if Shiro had some wich I could see scum trying to do b/c it informs them about the setup. Part of me wants to say "Titus pushing back on Drixx makes a Titus/Drixx team not a thing" but that whole "anyone thats means to Titus or scumreads her I'll lynch" kinda irks me. Is that too obvious for scumbuddies? But then Toog is getting plenty of heat for defending Titus but Drixx isn't, so is Toog a scum led wagon?

There were a few kinda other sketchy things like he keeps telling ppl good post and stuff and kinda buddies his way through the game.

But defiantly our limited back and forth did play a huge role in my scum read.

7690 -ignore this guy, he can't read me

7691-is this true?

7692-Nero is lying/being selective

7693-look at all this evidence that proves this isn't

exactly

true.

7745-haha, I was just joking. Don't be so serious.

Nero after reading that-

@Drixx I think this is what Nero's case was.

@Nero if I missed something please add it.

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I hope Drixx’s silence is because he is thinking about the suicide bomber plan and not disappearing without goodnight. I will give him a while longer before I call it a night.

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and of course, Drixx leaves. :/

No. Drixx sat and thought about the suicide bomber mechanic for a few minutes and asked himself just how bad it could go worst case. I mean ... I did pop a joke at your expense when you replaced in, but you seem to have a hard on for discrediting me.

@Math: Did nobody really just sit and think about it yet?

If no town take suicide bomber, the absolute worst case is that scum slip in and get it but they have to trade out 1-for-1 which is literally not a strategy that helps them. If town DO take it ... there is obviously in the possibility space the bombing just ending the game with a win ... but I think just from the basic numbers it's significantly more likely that it actually hurts our position.

I actually have thought about it a great deal I just am ready for bed and phone posting and I very much view it in our best interests. There are some risks yes but I think they are mitigated a lot. I don’t have the exact percentages in front of me but in general let’s assume for a moment the absolute worst case scenario

That Sakura (I am just gonna assume Sakura will be leader) picks three scum to give powers to who all pick petrification. For all intents and purposes anyone petrified would be town. All three scum would be confirmed at that point in time.

We would have 4 deaths due to suicide and town on town explosions
And 3 due to petrification
And let’s assume the night kill goes through

So if we hit all three scum in the suicide pool we win no matter what
Tomorrow if the NK succeeds and assuming worst case scenario Toog is town we have 15 alive. 8 deaths means 7 alive 4 town 3 scum we win.

Assume we miss the scum entirely (like it’s FA Sakura and you this is not an FoS this is a hypothetical)
If we have 5 bombs go off and it’s all town on town crime then it 10 deaths. In that case we lose.
If we have 4 bombs go off then it’s 7 alive with 3 scum lylo.


However if we can’t name 1 scum in 10 people then we were already losing to begin with.

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I am going to bed now Drixx. If you see any issue with this or have any other questions please speak up about it.

I think the safe spot is 4 bombs but can check my notes later.

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Long story short cutting out a lot of math here
Assume Toog is green and next day lynch is green for worst possible scenario
Also assuming no BP/HT/PN/freezing/what not for easier math
Deaths include via petrification or NK

This puts us at 11 town and 3 scum going into night.

Assume three scum get powers — 4 deaths 7 town 3 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 3 deaths 4 town 2 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 2 deaths 2 town 1 scum
We win at lylo only if the other bombs aren’t fired. Max safe bomb 3.

Assume two scum get powers — 3 deaths 8 town 3 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 2 deaths 6 town 2 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 1 death 5 town 1 scum
So if a bomb also went off then it’s another 1v3 lylo

Assume one scum gets powers — 9 town v 3 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 8 town v 2 scum
However two bombs went off so it would be 4 town v 2 scum lylo

So the same number is three not four @Drixx?

Is this what you were seeing?
Apologies for the hurried typing i am typing up what I did last night before I go to work.
I adjusted my stuff to account for that. Did you see anything I could have missed?

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I was given a power.


Do I really have one or not?

You were not given one and won’t be I already sent in my list

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but how can we tell if Titus/Drixx are lying?

Drixx lying would require Titus/Drixx/UFO and like lol unless scum have some secret ultra factional they just aren’t using this game and I can’t think of what it would even be then

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I am going to bed now Drixx. If you see any issue with this or have any other questions please speak up about it.

I think the safe spot is 4 bombs but can check my notes later.

Colored Fruit Vendor
Petrification
Reflexive Power Mimicry (in other words you get hit with a power you get it)
Power Echo
Self Detonation (available during the day)
Tracker

Still at work people

upon reflection, idk if those bombs would be more useful then say tracker abilities which tons of town players could all together claim and thus try to trace who performs the nk. like, that could be a fucking brilliant plan given our current PoE pool. all town goes for the tracker ability and traces players they find suss.

like, we could plan on tracking a variety of players (maybe even outright plan in the thread six different players), come back, and if those we tracked DO NOT account for the nk or somebody is killed within the pool, then we know that pool of players does not conclusively encompass all scum within—or else scum killed a player that tracked them. there is thus a scum member beyond that group of players we track.

this plan is especially effective if there are only 2 scum remaining after day.

Uhmmm that is a stupid idea actually. Tracker is pretty underrated.

If scum are not deep wolf then they just pick the least likely to be tracked. Even if we all dump tracker and spread out to 5 different spots we have to remember that scum would have a way to win in that stance. Gut says ninja or mass roleblock.

If scum are deep wolf and are given a track that deep wolf does the kill
If scum are deep wolf and not given a track ....
If scum are deep wolf and have phasing then they just redirect any action at them to someone else.
If scum are deep wolf and have power negate and the kill is a factional ability not a power they negate the person doing the kill.

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Overrated*

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yuck. that is a definite neg we can talk about next day phase

like, if we choose that plan, we just give it to obvtown period.

because scum could try clearing one another

Yeah suicide bomb imho is safer and worse comes to worse we choose less bombs to give out.
Max safe is three I think but if people are really scared less works too. Mainly we need to use the townblock to our advantage.

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actually what if the trackers are scum? I just thought of a countermeasure: circle tracking. though again this could also be hashed out tomorrow

If we circle track obvTown that is a big circle jerk of wasted power.

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DAY 1 BEGINS

Votecount 1.0

Leader: Frozen Angel

123456789 (0):

BBmolla (0):

brassherald (0):

Cerberus v666 (0):

Chickadee (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Katsuki (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

randomidget (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

Shiro (0):

the worst (0):

Titus (0):

Toranaga (0):

zMuffinMan (0):

Not Voting (23):

Everyone

With

23

players, it takes

12

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-15 18:00:00).

Abilities Available for Acquisition

BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LEAGUE OF ALISAE

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player will redirect any action(s) to target you instead of their original target until the next Night Phase.

INFINITECH STANDARD

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Phasing:

Target another player. Any actions that target you before the next Night Phase will target them instead.

Power Mimicry:

Target another player. You will gain one use of any Superpower(s) they use before the end of next Day Phase. These 1-Shot Superpowers will be available to you until the end of the next Night Phase and still count against your Superpower usage.

Spiritual Mediumship:

Target a player that has died within the previous Day or Night Phase. You will have a neighborhood with that player for the following Day and Night Phase.

@FA no we don’t have Mimicry that checks any action it says super powers. Ergo it will only work if the Factional kill is a super power. Which would probably be a busted setup.

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i absolutely am of the opinion that the players should discuss who they target in the thread before suicide bombing a player, because ideally we could use this as much to town’s benefit as we can and discussing things before using the bombs can help us to eliminate possible oversights.

i’m just a little bit weary of how this all goes down having just finished a scum game in transformers mafia where either i laughed my ass off as town kept duelling one another, or else my scum team would win the duels (my team won 2 of them)! so like it’s optimal as town to discuss things before following through with them —> i want this key reminder to stick

+1 DUH

Any plan we do should be agreed upon.

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The pairs bit 3 pairs and one person gets a bomb and we don’t know who is probably the safest plan unless Drixx notices a flaw in my thinking that I missed. This is why I love a second set of eyes.

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@FA no we don’t have Mimicry that checks any action it says super powers. Ergo it will only work if the Factional kill is a super power. Which would probably be a busted setup.

the response was about nero asking me about how we can check super powers

Yay speed reading sorry!

[MathBlade]

I skimmed torgana and I think they are nearly always town here

I don’t know about that. UFO was giving me some weird vibes especially with power choices.

However I think Drixx is town independent of that.

[MathBlade]

Tinfoil hat theory Drixx scum uses phasing that night but waaay too tinfoily

Gtg

[MathBlade]

Unless my memory sucks and Drixx didn’t get powers from FA

[MathBlade]

Unless my memory sucks and Drixx didn’t get powers from FA

he didn't get powers from me n1 when phasing was available
he could get powers night 3

Then Drixx is confirmed with BP.

[MathBlade]

I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

YES!
This is exactly what I've been saying.

Omfg that is my point exactly.

Titus scum doesn’t put a neon sign on a buddy after two buddies go down. She is not a stupid scums like I do not see this as any sort of distancing. And if Titus was stupid we win anyway.

[MathBlade]

I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

YES!
This is exactly what I've been saying.

Omfg that is my point exactly.

Titus scum doesn’t put a neon sign on a buddy after two buddies go down. She is not a stupid scums like I do not see this as any sort of distancing. And if Titus was stupid we win anyway.

Correction two scum* her and 123456789

[MathBlade]

@Nero - Dude. Snark and rhetoric are

NOT

the same thing as abuse. Everyone who knows Titus (and Mathblade for that matter) knows how to wind them up personally. That's abuse. Me being tongue in cheek is NOT abuse.

Every single "point" in your case against me as a bunch of NAI shit. Obviously if I were scum, I did and would do those things. I didn't even try to say otherwise.

So if you have a bunch of stuff that is literally (by your own definition) WiFoM, then you look at the overall picture. In what world do I even at all go along with doing anything to try and help Titus after day one if I'm scum with her? You know (or should know) how ruthlessly I will cut bait on a scum partner who screws up and is an inevitable lynch. You've just spent an inordinate amount of time pointing out that I did none of the things I would normally do as scum with a doomed teammate. Like ... 1+1 is not hard man.

Drop the tunnel goggles if you're town. You're wasting a lot of effort to no good end. If you are as good as you think, I dropped a pretty strong town tell quite awhile back. I'm certain at least two people caught it. If I count Math who was already sure before I did it, then that would be three ... but I'm not sure Math was actually bothering to look at that point.


@math: you're missing a huge problem in terms of being able to determine if any scum make it into the team. You're assuming that you can isolate them in a way that you can't. I really don't want to say more and I shouldn't have even said this I don't think. -- You did catch the math problem though which is good. I'm pretty sure that we lose a little EV with the suicide vest plan, with the upside obviously being a faster win.

So ... do we want to play mafia and leverage a strong position to maintain a near 100% EWR or do we want to gamble a significant amount of that to try and win sooner? I mean ... I've not had to work as hard this game to get to this state. You and a couple others have done the heavy lifting. What I

can

tell you from past experience where Cerb and I solve the game and we tell the game exactly what's going on and we have it set up for a win and then people do dumb shit and we lose ... that is crazy frustrating and has gotten super old. I highly do NOT recommend it.

All it would take is for one of the scums to have played a strong game so far and be in a super trusted spot and using 2-3 suicide vest takes out 4-6 townies. That takes away 2-3 cycles where they have to keep playing a really strong game. In this case I really feel like time is an ally. It's really hard to be scum but keep up a realistic narrative that you are town for real time months on end. Believe me because I have done it before a few times and it takes a toll. (Smite and SU2 are the games that come immediately to mind where I played alone as last scum for months in real time; I enjoyed both games but needed to recharge mentally after each one).

You know me well enough to know that I have very strong reasons behind what I'm saying. If there were some way for us to freaking neighborize I would really love to do an unfiltered thought dump right about now.

@Drixx
First I really wasn’t looking for any sort of tells. If I happen to find them (like in regards to Nancy and what power she took) then I note it and move on. I have been focusing on now having town self implode. Between that and work and everything else this has been an insane game. Secondly dropping a town/trust tell (e.g. something you only do reliably as town and not as scum) intentionally and then not replicating it (or trying) in scum games is either illegal or angle shooting so I don’t want to discuss the “tells” angle.

Secondly yes I can be wound up. However calling it ABUSE is a bit of a stretch. I have gotten a lot thicker skin since taking some mediciation to help bring my hormones in equilibrium. I know people who are actual abuse victims and I hate the characterization. I understand your point and would say “low blow” or something similar.

In regards to your maintain a near 100% winrate comment, that is simply wine. Let me explain how.
Assume that we don’t do the suicide plan and you FA and Sakura are scum. (Again I do not believe this)
Then all three of you pick up petrify and track people without powers. Then after one/two/three mislynches whatever the required townies is mass petrification happens and you hit me and some other townie with powers.

At that similar point there is no way we then go for the townblock before that point.
What suicide bomber does is gives us control over the clock.

We have to make a decision whether we trust the town block. We are at 14 town 3 scum. If Toog is town and NK successful (which in 3 townblock would be) we are at 12. The next day. Mislynch is 11. If there are three scum in the town block we are already fucked if we play traditionally based on the numbers.

The suicide bomb is only risky if we hit three scum exactly with the bombs but in that case they are outed.

Playing conservative or traditionally we are going to have to take it on faith that the town block is town.

However that leap of faith is not really a big leap. If FA or myself or Sakura were scum it would have been advantageous to actually kill with power negate and be outed as then due to the gamestate Nancy and you get lynched. When I was scum in Shadowrun I used this specific idea in Shadowrun when I was forced to kill the traitor and then had just barely enough to get the resurrection at the end of the game.

Furthermore we know that assuming Titus gave powers to someone that night and killed Ank for that reason then this necessarily means she taught scum how to play the long game and therefore would not attract attention to the buddies. All three would have to be alive. Therefore Kokichi and Creature are likely not scum. Furthermore there have been seemingly no negate kills in the townblock. This also seems to be stealth scum.

Do you see where I am going with this?

[MathBlade]

I wanted titus since day 2 when she was picked leader when literally no one voted for her. Also only voted sando at that time cause nos claimed a guilty on him

...It’s shit like this that makes me wonder if Titus was stupid.

People claiming guilties or masons has been refuted so many damn times. It was also refuted many times day one and two this simple doesn’t fly.

[MathBlade]

You're assuming I've read nearly 350 pages. I said I'd actually get into the game if I'm given an ability.

Wrong you read it enough to see a guilty claim.
Ergo you would read the responses to that. So even if you missed all the previous you would still look at the bare minimum responses.

Not reading everything understandable not reading responses to the reason you’re voting is still sketchy.

Am I being unreasonable here?

[MathBlade]

I have a question. How does one use a BP power? Like they are given a BP and make themselves bulletproof for that night or the rest of the game?

According to the description that night.

[MathBlade]

nero, you would agree with this right?!

Why are you asking me? But yes. Lots of town do ridiculously dumb/anti-town things as scum though. I know I have here as a "would flip" but town her is fairly useless and anti-town.

Her =?

[MathBlade]

Sando - VCA says lynch
Toogeloo BBmolla* - Lean town, need to verify if whiteknight
stungun0404 Brandi* NicoRobin* - Hostile, can't get in his head
MathBlade randomidget** - Sibling rivalry blocks read
Kokichi Oma - Lurker
Nancy Drew 39 - Town early now MIA, weaker read
hebichan - Still think this needs pressure to sort
zMuffinMan - Clear by VCA
Creature* Human Sequencer* - Needs to be lynched, scum
Katsuki - Policy
Sakura Hana - Cleared by VCA
Toranaga** - Townish, We did have the interactions I was looking for
Frozen Angel - Town, Needs power tomorrow
123456789 - Dead scum
Shiro - Town by medium
Gamma Emerald - Gun to my head town, no memorable posting but felt town objecting to me saying it
Ankamius brassherald - Dead town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Gun to my head town
Cerberus v666 - Sads
Myloninja13* - Dead
the worst - Opportunistic. Gun to my head scum.
Titus
Drixx* - He reveals himself later but I didn't like his reaction to not getting a power.

Here. Titus calls out Kokichi for lurking and Creature again for being scum.

[MathBlade]

I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

YES!
This is exactly what I've been saying.

Makes perfect sense for scum!Titus to go after the lhf/likely mislynchbait to save herself.

Lhf?

[MathBlade]

because you kokichi moved over to katsuki when you had the opportunity to move from sando TO titus. you did not vote titus last day phase

This guy cant read English or hes scum. Which is it, Nancy

I’m heavily townleaning Stun. Didn’t he say he had Aspergers’?

Can we not equate Aspergers to inability to read?

It just means extremely literal and social concepts can over ones head.

*glares* not cool

[MathBlade]

@THREAD CAN WE NOT HAVE ARGUMENTS THAT WONT RESOLVE UNTIL TOMORROW AT EARLIEST WHEN I AM TRYING TO TALK WITH DRIXX AND DONT WANT A TON OF BICKERING BETWEEN ALL OF MY READS BACK AND FORTH?!?!?!?!

@Nero you think Drixx is scum. You are scumreading (?) nancy but continually screaming it despite the evidence presented doesn’t help. I am trying to talk with Drixx to sort him. Let me. Plus the conversation could end up impacting tomorrow greatly. I really want his thoughts.

@Nancy I get it. You think Nero is wrong on you and therefore maybe wrong on Drixx. I townread you and find an argument that scum is in the block absurd however he has the right to say it. It’s a good barometer.

@Sakura Please stop fueling this discussion by stating what you agree/disagree with people are getting drowned out. This isn’t productive when we can do this tomorrow.

@thread If you feel your case is not adequately displayed calm down and prep it for tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

The three of you have had multiple pages all fucking day knock it off.

[MathBlade]

I can post as much as I godamn want, Math.

You can yes.

But if you stop me and Drixx communicating because you do do you expect a deity to come on high and change my read? Continually spamming is counter productive to your goal.

[MathBlade]

im not spamming. Also, why do you need to sort Drixx? Though he was obvtown?

He is. However I am trying to give you benefit of the doubt. Doing this makes me want to just say fuck it and end the day. I have my opinion right now based on what I see.

However overnight I will look at Sakura’s links and other things to see if stuff changes.

By continually going “X is scum” or “gotcha” it makes me want to read your posts less and less because they are repetitive or useless.

[MathBlade]

Doing this makes me want to just say fuck it and end the day.

Isn't deadline almost up anyway? neither of you are going to die anyways so just take this up tomorrow.

Welcome to my goddamn point Nero.

We’re not lynching Drixx today
We’re not lynching Creature
We’re not lynching Nancy
We’re sure as hell not lynching me

So then stop fucking posting about it
The only thing useful in these past pages is that meta link and not because it’s about Nero. It’s so I can reevaluate Titus+Creature

[MathBlade]

The only thing useful in these past pages is that meta link and not because it’s about Nero. It’s so I can reevaluate Titus+Creature

In that case I'll also point you that this happened on D2.
Scum got dayvigged D2, Titus was getting lynched or something, and by the end of the day she decided to make a bus push on her teammate Varsoon before she got ultimately lynched.

So what u want to look at the most is D2, besides Titus ISO can be quite a pain to read since she was posting memes all of D1 (Good thing i replaced in during D2 lol)

Thank you.

This is useful content.

Now when Drixx comes back I want his opinion regarding the townblock because it’s highly illuminating of what he thinks.

[MathBlade]

I'm not even calling you scum. :/

I was pretty much done after I responded to you, Math but Nancy wanted to argue and I've ever the gentleman so I obliged her

Also, I was the one that killed PV in Street Fighter

The true gentlemanly thing is when someone is screaming like an idiot is to tell them they are screaming like a bloody idiot. They may not realize it.

If you think Nancy is trolling/looking for it don’t feed her.

Likewise Nancy if you think Nero is fishing / attacking those who disagree point it out once and move on.

This pages back and forth arguing with each other instead of talking outward to the thread serves no one

[MathBlade]

im not spamming. Also, why do you need to sort Drixx? Though he was obvtown?

He is. However I am trying to give you benefit of the doubt. Doing this makes me want to just say fuck it and end the day. I have my opinion right now based on what I see.

However overnight I will look at Sakura’s links and other things to see if stuff changes.

By continually going “X is scum” or “gotcha” it makes me want to read your posts less and less because they are repetitive or useless.

WHY is he obvtown Math?

When he is scum he generally isn’t an obstinate butthole.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?p=8113020#p8113020

I went through it enough to see that Titus could potentially be that stupid.
I don’t have time to type up all my thoughts but that post is one that stood out to me.

So a Creature lynch is a okay with me. I just don’t think it’s ideal.

If no one townreads him I could always just petrify him though so we end up with a lynch that is useful instead of stagnating the game. If we are doing suicide bomb I think it’s extremely important to identify three town in the lynch pool and give them bombs.

Another alternative is to just blow him up with the suicide bombers.

However if we think it’s proper to lynch him then I am on board. We just have to consider all angles.

That kill threw me for a loop and I need to redo some calculations when not at work.

[MathBlade]

Mainly as Toranaga says I am a good ol citizen.

With the self given power of try to shut the fuck up.

[MathBlade]

To be clear Creature has to die before the start of the next day.

I just want us to plan out how.

[MathBlade]

What are the goos again and what are their colors and where can I see them

*shrugs* seems like a Fruit Vendor to me. Hence why I called it such yesterday

[MathBlade]

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

Sakura

Game lacks cults. Cults are defined bastard on MS.

[MathBlade]

What are the goos again and what are their colors and where can I see them

*shrugs* seems like a Fruit Vendor to me. Hence why I called it such yesterday

Goos are definitely not fruits. There are mafia abilities with colored goos and there are setups that uses them

Huh say what? *confused* please explain

[MathBlade]

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

Sakura

Game lacks cults. Cults are defined bastard on MS.

But There is a cult goo for real. I'm alarmed af. let me search the wiki

Frozen there cannot be cults

We are confirmed starting out Vanilla in the op

Please like stop