Military School Mafia - Sudden Death - Game Over

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For people from whom this is their first game, I recommend signing up for a mini in the mini thread. This game is apparently being abandoned by its mod, at least temporarily, and I don't want all the newbies to get discouraged. Rest assured this is a rare occurence. Try signing up for a mini in the queue thread.

Cam

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Confirming receipt of role.

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Can I recommend signing up for another game as well, chaotic? the start of this is highly unpredictable, and I'd hate for you to get put off the site based on this one game.

Cam

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Hope you don't mind, Darkblade...I updated your "confirmed list" above by adding Genku and Moozle/tehgood. So now we're just waiting on 4 players who I haven't seen in a

long

time...

Cam

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Those not confirmed have been replaced (Still looking for a Cad. replacement)

How about the dice/mikehart/jasonpingpong/JazzRed replacements? Or how about you declare their roles have submitted no night choices and just start the day? I think you'll find it much easier to get replacements after the day has started.

Cam

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I hope you don't mind, Darkblade. I'm updating the list at it goes. mlaker...are you in as a replacement too? For whom?

Cam

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I too am currently most suspicious of DB, and since we're far enough away from the 13 to lynch, I'll

Vote: Dementia Blader

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I have no idea why I've been written up. Not only did I not do anything bad last night, I hardly did anything at all. (But I didn't miss any night choice I may or may not have had). Maybe one of the higher-ups is trying to get us more lowlies in trouble for some reason. Maybe this is a hazing?

Cam

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Valid points, Genku, but we also have to consider that there is some merit in the fact that lynchign DB also allows us to not have to bandwagon someone else's role into the open. If it were true that we never lynch a testable role claim on day 1, then we'd just go round and round bandwagonning

everyone

until all of our useful roles were in the open, or more likely, we get to some pro-town untestable role (like a doc). And all of this is weighted by the usefulness of the role being claimed. Role-blocker is hardly useful, especially when the owner of said role does so indiscriminantly.

Instead, we

do

have to vote for role claims, even if they are testable, if they are likely made up or false, and moreso if the claimed role is not extremely useful for the town. Hence my vote.

Cam

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Hmmm....good second question, WB. I'd be interested in hearing a good answer.

Cam

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Okay, Prizm's confirmation of DB does seem to mostly clear him, though we do have two probable blockers exposed.

Unvote: DB

Cam

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Yeah, Prizm and Whinny are awfully apologetic to each other, aren't they?

Vote: Whinny the Foo

Cam

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Bunsofsteel has posted in several games recently stating that he was grounded and unable to post. I suspect he'll be joinging us shortly.

I agree with the db=Dementia Blader, DB=Darkblade convention.

Cam

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Bloojay accurately pointed out that I, Captain Observant, was confusing he and bunsofsteel. Bunsofsteel was not grounded, it was bloojay instead. Bunsofsteel is most definitely delinquent in his being-present duties.

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Oh wow, why the hell am I not voting for db?

Cadmium, even if the mafia do have a rank, they have no idea whether or not revealing that rank will incriminate them. So db tought he better make one up, forgetting that DB had already listed all the possible ranks.

Unvote: WhinnieTheFoo, Vote: dementia blader

. This puts us back up to 11/13 to lynch.

Cam

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I think shadyforce's argument pretty much guarantees there are duplicated ranks, and it does seem reasonable that there would be more duplicates of lower ranks.

This might actually prove helpful in the long run. I strongly doubt that there will be a strong correlation between rank and goodness/evilness. In fact, I bet Darkblade did his best to ensure that the evil were distributed just about as evenly as possible. So there might be some amount of information from this...nothing definite of course, but if someone of high rank turns out evil, we might be slightly more inclined to believe that people one rank on either side of him is innocent.

Of course, maybe not.

Cam

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Well think about it this way, chaotic_diablo...we have to lynch someone, right? (Okay, we don't have to, but we're going to). We can either lynch someone who's done something very suspicious (i.e. Dementia Blader), or we can "give them another chance" and lynch someone who's not suspicious at all. Does that really seem like the best strategy?

I think we should probably all keep our ranks to ourselves for the time being. There is undoubtedly evil roles that can gain from knowing who's who in the pecking order. Evil, for example, might be trying to make their way to the top by eliminating everyone ranked higher than them.

Cam

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Let's have a bunch of people do it, just to be sure. Good and dead. That's how I like my scum.

Cam

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Cadmium's reasoning seems pretty sound. I'll chuck on another

Vote: WhinnyTheFoo

Cam

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Wouldn't a good solution to the writing up problem be to ask Darkblade about it via PM? We won't get all the functioning, but it should at least clear up any ambiguity in the role description, right?

Whinny

Was that suppose to be a vote?

Cam

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Yup, I gotta say that was pretty dumb, Blackhawk. But now you have to decide. If you just have the name of an innocent, keep it to yourself. If you have anything more important than that (information on game mechanics, or knowledge of someone you find particularly suspicious), then reveal it...and quickly, before we go into night.

Cam

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I agree. If they can't get their choice in in a week and a half, they deserve to not get to use their abilities.

Cam

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a) I don't think that was a sentence.

b) It's way passed New Year's Eve. Let's do this thang.

Cam

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Unless I am mistaken, I believe that is the lynch.

Just in cast it's not,

Vote: chaotic_diablo

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Sorry for the inactivity today, I'll be better tomorrow.

Cam

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Meh.

Anyone else want to finish him off?

Cam

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By the way, I'm just going to (unintentionally) blow it off again, so don't even bother. Someone out there knows what this means.

Cam

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DARKBLADE!!!!!!!!!

Ummm...hello?

Cam

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It's taken 3 and a half months for 3 game days....

Cam

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Yeah, I wasn't at all suggesting abandonment. I agree about role-choices....exactly as I've said on previous nights, people who haven't bothered to get their choices in by now don't deserve them.

Cam

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You could check your outbox and sentbox and if not, resend.

Cam

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Yay, day! Blackhawk, is there any

harm

in revealing that information?

Cam

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so basically blackhawk is a cop who's effectiveness goes down as he makes more investigations

You seem to be rather insistent on this even though blackhawk has told you that this wasn't the case. The "stress" limits the

number

of times he can investigate, not the accuracy of the investigations themselves.

blackhawk, you've investigated people that are currently still alive? If so, consider holding that information to yourself. Just make sure it's a good idea to say stuff before you say it.

Cam

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I think we're missing a big picture here, and this big picture is that the write-ups are much bigger than one role. I think there are several ways people can be written up...some for being targeted by certain roles, some for not following some protocol, etc. Not to say we shouldn't think about these things, but we don't know enough about this game to base any conclusions on our wild speculation of the game mechanics.

I'll spend some thinking about who falls in the suspicious people category.

Cam

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Wow, I can't believe genku's in this game.

Vote: Genku

Cam

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That's what I count.

Cam

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Well, I pretty much agree. At the time I voted, he wasn't about to be replaced. (Well, he kind of was, having not posted for probably a month or so...but that didn't stop the mod from giving him 48 hours). Nothing motivates a mod to replace a totally inactive player than a bunch of votes.

Cam

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Yes, do tell.

Cam

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I'm not sure what to say except "Yeah, right." I find the role name highly unplausible, and combined with the possibility that even

if

he's a role-blocker, he's quite possibly evil, I see no option except to

Unvote, Vote: ID

(which I may have been doing before anyway)

Cam

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I like it when they make it easy on us.

Cam

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Is "Someone" even still active on the site? Maybe I just haven't been in any games with him in a while.

Cam

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Hm, he's apparently active in other games.

We decided being written up had something to do with night blocks, didn't we?

Cam

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Agreed. i read your post, BananaBob, and maybe your FOS is well-founded, but what are you looking for? People to say "Wow, that's a great point! Let me go vote Blackhawk" when you yourself have not even done so?

Cam

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I'm not sure switching to Army terminology is the best way of making that understandable to

anyone

else in the game. But, um, A+ for effort.

Yeah, my room's probably a mess. I'm not, shall we say, the most disciplined of cadets. Werebear and at least one other role (possibly 2) can verify this, but I see no reason to come out with who you are.

Cam

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I'm still not sure how good of an idea this is...we know very little about the mafia's (or maybe an SK's) goal in this game. What if it's the SK's goal to kill everyone higher ranked than him? Then we're making it really easy for him/her. What are the advantages to revealing, Vraak?

Cam

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Okay...

Cadet Airman Basic mathcam.

Cam

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Where was there a list of all the possible ranks?

Cam

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Well, there's probably relatively little lying, right? Even the mafia had ranks, and it's not exactly the clear the relation between ranks and mafianess.

Thanks, Tigris.

Cam

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I think Cadmium makes an excellent point.

Vote: Werebear

Cam

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Ummm......Vraak X, isn't his rank Senior Master Sergeant? Isn't that why we're bandwagoning him. Or am I missing something (yet again)?

Werebear's last post was somewhat convincing, though. Maybe I'll....

Unvote: Werebear, Vote: Vraak X

Cam

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I think you left off yourself....

I didn't realize we had to Cadet Major claims also. I think it's really important to hear from the 4 unclaimed. It's quiet possible that there are 2 technical sergeants and 2 master sergeants in the 4 unclaimeds, making it much less of an argument that one of Werebear and Vraak X must be evil. Instead, we'll be able to focus on EPR. In fact, I think I'm probably going to do that anyway.

Unvote: Vraak X, Vote: EPR

Cam

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a) Why?
b) If this is true, why not hold that information until after the 4 unclaimeds have claimed?

Cam

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EnPaceRasquiat.

Cam

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Vraak X, if you're so sure, how come it took you so long to get it around to it? I first posted suspicions of EPR on Friday, and you posted right after me.

FOS: Vraak X

Cam

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I count mathcam, Vraak X, BananaBob, and Werebear voting for EPR. That's hardly pressure...come on!

Cam

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I think EPR was the first to even mention the meeting, Scalebane. Yeah, unless they're

both

scum, I doubt BananaBob would've been told he strongly "disliked" a player if they were mafia.

Cam

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Sounds good to me, Scalebane.

FOS: Mlaker

Cam

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I think Scalebane is saying that

his

ability is related to

his

rank, if it's not a general phenomenon. This, and mlaker's claimed the same rank. Hence "the plan."

Cam

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Agreed. I'll upgrade:

Vote: Mlaker

Cam

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Umm, I don't think I got any role information...but this could be because some people kept writing me up. Bastards.

Cadmium, did you get anything?

Cam

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Nonetheless, it's a very odd claim for Scalebane to be making if it were not the case that he did have that exact role. Why claim something so easily disprovable?

It

would

be nice, however, if

someone

could verify that they did, in fact, receive some information as Scalebane indicated.

Cam

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a) "someone" was in lowercase. Let's call that kharma for picking your current username.

b) Oh, okay. I didn't make the connection that the secret meeting was Scalebane's doing.

Cam

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Actually, I'm not sure I see any reason for mlaker not to reveal who's telling the truth.

Cam

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Okay, that's what I was waiting for from Cadmium. I can now verify Scalebane's role. My role is that of a very non-motivated cadet. (Not my role claim, just a description) and I knew I blew something off on the nights in question. I originally thought that this had to do with me being written up or role-blocked or something, but I guess this property is just inherent in my role.

There's actually a post at the end of day 3 (?) where I say "Don't bother targeting me more, I still won't show up" or something like that. This was my attempt at getting whatever role was targeting me to stop doing so, as I knew I was being of any help.

I am curious about JEEP though...it would be pretty amusing if JEEP got a PM telling him shadyforce's role, and vice versa.

Cam

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Right. And that's why it would be amusing, Banana Bob. I tend to believe that Darkblade might been a little mixed up, too, but maybe he just felt that prolonging the night by clarifiying Scale's choice would extend the night even more.

Night 1 - UT and Genku
Night 2 - Dice and Mathcam
Night 3 - Cadmium and Mathcam
Night 4 - Banana Bob and EPR
Night 5 - Jeep and Shadyforce.

So. Nights 2 and 3 are out because I'm delinquent in my responsibilities, night 5 is out because of an invalid target. 4

has

been accounted for, which convinces me of Scale's role. But we should wait on UT and Vraak anyway.

I'm sure all Dice would be able to tell us is that he, like Cadmium, got stood up for half an hour.

Cam

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Scalebane, do you have any explanation for the lack of meeting between Vraak X and UT? Obviously, being role-blocked is a possibility, but I just want to make sure you didn't know anything else.

Cam

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Sorry, I'm away from my home computer and notes. Is mlaker confirmed somehow? If not, I'm putting that vote on.

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Here's an answer: right here! Seriously, sorry for the absence. You can check the away thread for my post of away-ness, and I've been like this in all my games.

I see no problem with a

Vote: mlaker

Cam

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Honestly, I'm happy enough just lynching him.

Cam

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Agreed.

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It gave him some notion of power, being able to assign people to sessions. It was all the power he really could muster, being one of the lowest ranking NCO's in the school. Heck, tech sergeants had more rank than him.

Anyone else get the feeling that Darkblade had a real-life conflict with a conflict resolution sargeant?

In any case, now we know that we have two pro-town cadet staff sergeants, which puts a fairly large damper on our plan of lynching one from every pair. Based on my suspicions from yesterday, I think Werebear and Vraak X are nearly totally cleared in my mind. I also am pretty sure Someone is pro-town. My current suspicions is that there's one more mafia in the "Cadet Airman" trio: Leo, Cadmium, and Banana Bob, and one more mafia in the upper ranks trio: Tigris, EPR, or Untrod Tripod.

I'll browse the thread and see if any of the Cadet Airmen jump out has more suspicious than the others.

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Yeah, I can't wait until the "View All Posts By..." feature returns. It's like we got a little taste of heaven and then had it yanked away from us.

Does Blackhawk even still play?

Cam

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Oh. Heh. I just assumed that feature was broken without even checking it.

Cam

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Well, if I had to peg one of the three on being innocent, it would definitely be Cadmium. Leo and BananaBob are close for scummiest, but I think I'm leaning toward Leo. Almost all of hiis posts in this game have been casual and off-handed, but this probably as much a function as not really paying attention as it is being scummy. Nonetheless, I still like it better than the Bob argument:

Vote: Leonidas

Cam

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So even though they're not really playing this game, I think it's relatively safe to assume that Stewie and Blackhawk have ranks Cadet Technical Sergeant and Cadet Chief Master Sergeant in some order. My personal tendency is to think that we should focus on the big groups of people with same rank claim (e.g. Cadmium, Leo, and Bob) rather than people that might be suspicious for other reasons (eg. shady, blackhawk, or stewie).

On the other hand, one would also think there's some kind of equal distribution of the evil among the ranks, meaning that probably at least one out of those middle rank people is scum as well. Hmm.

Someone, skeptical about the reasons I gave? The primary reason why I'm voting Leo is because I don't think it's Cadmium, and Leo's slightly more suspicious than Bob. If you're skeptical of

that

reason, then why aren't you voting one of the other two?

Cam

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*looks at queue thread in which mlaker asks to be replced*

Oh swell.

Now

he requests replacement.

Cam

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Interesting, very interesting, Stewie. This means that one of Cadet Technical Sergeant and Cadet Chief Master Sergeant has no claimers. Which means someone's probably lying (Though not definitely), which in turn gives more credence to the claim that where we should be looking for scum is among the large groups of people all claiming the same rank.

Cam

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New list before I post:

Cadet Airman Basic

Someone

,

mathcam

,

Winnie The Foo

,

Demeech

Cadet Airman

Leonidas, Cadmium, Banana Bob

Cadet Airman First Class

stupid_

,

Stewie

Cadet Senior Airman

Tehgood, Indentured Djinn

,

Chaotic_Diablo

Cadet Staff Sergeant

mlaker, scalebane

Cadet Technical Sergeant
Cadet Master Sergeant

Bloojay

Cadet Senior Master Sergeant

Vraak X

,

Werebear

Cadet Chief Master Sergeant
Cadet Second Lieutenant

shadyforce

Cadet First Lieutenant

Prizm

Cadet Captain

Tigris

Cadet Major

EnPaceRequiescat

,

Modargo

Cadet Lieutenant Colonel

Untrod Tripod

Cadet Colonel

Dementia Blader

Key:

Claimed

Dead Town

Dead Scum

Unclaimed (AFAIK): Shadyforce, blackhawk, Stewie

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Well, I appreciate the sentiment, Darkblade, but I think mlaker is dead, and not really in need of a replacement. Thorred could, however, replace blackhawk. Maybe that's what you meant in the first place, come to think about it.

Shadyforce: Excellent point. We'll have to take a loot at that.

Bob: There are now several reasons why I suspect a Cadet Airman. First, in every other rank with 3 claimants, there has been at least one evil (Cadet Airman Basic and Cadet Senior Airman), leading me to believe that this is a good possibility occuring in the Cadet Airman rank as well. Second, I suspect that there is one of each rank present in this game...I'm not sure if this is true, as Darkblade might have been sneaky and included unrepresented ranks in the game, but it's a risk I'm willing to take for now. Based on the fact that blackhawk is the only unclaimed rank and the fact that we have two ranks (Tech Serg. and Chief Master Serg.) with no claimants, it seems safe to assume that someone must be lying about their rank. It's not going to be Untrod Tripos, Tigris, shadyforce, or bloojay, because they in turn are the only ones claiming their particular rank.

That leaves the Vraak X/Werebear debate, which we've been through, the stupid_/Stewie rank (which probably merits some looking at stupid_), and you 3.

Hope that clears things up,

Cam

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Okay, Cadmium makes a good point, and Leo was only just beating out Bob anyway.

Unvote: Leo, Vote: Bob

Cam

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Complete Rank List:

Cadet Airman Basic

Someone

,

mathcam

,

Winnie The Foo

,

Demeech

Cadet Airman

Leonidas, Cadmium, Banana Bob

Cadet Airman First Class

stupid_

,

Stewie

,

Blackhawk

Cadet Senior Airman

Tehgood, Indentured Djinn

,

Chaotic_Diablo

Cadet Staff Sergeant

mlaker, scalebane

Cadet Technical Sergeant
Cadet Master Sergeant

Bloojay

Cadet Senior Master Sergeant

Vraak X

,

Werebear

Cadet Chief Master Sergeant
Cadet Second Lieutenant

shadyforce

Cadet First Lieutenant

Prizm

Cadet Captain

Tigris

Cadet Major

EnPaceRequiescat

,

Modargo

Cadet Lieutenant Colonel

Untrod Tripod

Cadet Colonel

Dementia Blader

Key:

Claimed

Dead Town

Dead Scum

Now just remember that the list on page 30 if you ever need it.

Cam

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So unlike most events in this game, this one actually makes me

less

convinced of the Cadet Airman plan. Now it looks like there might be 3 innocents of each of the 3 bottom ranks....though the Cadet Senior Airman kinds of jacks it all up a bit.

Maybe roles and ranks were assigned randomly and independently? I mostly doubt it, as Cadet Colonel was probably destined to be evil. So do we think those two unrepresented ranks are really just missing? Or are two people lying?

Did EPR get semi-cleared somehow?

Cam

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Vote: EPR

Cam

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Totally forgot, sorry.

Unvote: EPR

Cam

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Maybe you could clear that up with darkblade?

Cam

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I see what you're saying, but I also feel like the ranks are they key to all of this. If they were distributed randomly, then I'm totally wrong. But it sure doesn't seem like that's the case. If you have any suspicions toward people who I'm neglecting, please feel free to air them.

Cam

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There's two distinct points being discussed here:

1) The distribution of people among the ranks,
2) The distribution of the mafia among the ranks.

Even if you feel 2) was done randomly, which is certainly possible, I for one believe that number one was not. I think there was a fixed predetermined number of people in each rank, and I also believe that number is bigger than 0 for every rank.

Thus, I feel like the ranks which have no claimants

must

belong to people who are lying about their rank. If there are people lying about their rank, they must be claiming a rank which has at least 2 claimants. That's why I'm going after those people...this is independent of any thoughts about how mafia is distributed.

Cam

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But not his role? His role is somewhat verified.

Cam

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I agree. But this doesn't mean we have to give up the theory, just that we should go after someone other than EPR. I'm leaning more and more toward looking back at those Cadet Airmen.

Cam

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Vote: BananaBob

Cam

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I don't think getting Leo replaced would be totally out of line. I mean yes, we can force him to appear probably, but every active participant we have is a better shot we have of winning.

Cam

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Bump bumpety bump bump. Let's vote for Bob and get Leo replaced.

Cam

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Unvote: Bob.

I think it was one to lynch, and now it's at least 2. But I only checked this page...if someone had already been voting for him, Bob's already lynched.

Bump bumpety bump bump. Let's vote for Bob and get Leo replaced.

p.s. or BOTH!

Cam

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No, Leo.

Cam

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Based on the fact that blackhawk is the only unclaimed rank

i have told you my rank

and

my ability with this info you should be able to search for it becausae im not saying it again

Well, let me point out 2 things that should clarify whatever confusion got into that head of yours.

The quote that your quoting was posted in April 13, 3 weeks ago. Your post where you revealed your rank was the day after, April 14. I'm not sure what you're getting all uppity about,

and

you're being obnoxious about it. What's that all about?

Riiight., sorry cam, but that made no sense to me. Moving along.

I'm not sure what was confusing here. I think Leo should be replaced. Are you disagreeing?

Unvote: BananaBob

.

Cam

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Vote: Leo

, who is of the this same questionable rank and whose last post incidentally was mid-April.

Cam

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Vote Bob and replace Leo!
Vote Bob and replace Leo!
Vote Bob and replace Leo!


Cam

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Pfft. Like

I

didn't know that....

Unvote: Leo, Vote: BananaBon

Cam

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Cadet Airman Stewie, Nurse's Assistant, was backstabbed

Yet Stewie claimed Airman First Class. Probably just an oversight, but nevertheless...

Darkblade,

can you confirm that Stewie was a Cadet Airman and not a Cadet Airman first class?

Here's the claimed rank list if anyone wants it.

Complete Rank List:

Cadet Airman Basic

Someone

,

mathcam

,

Winnie The Foo

,

Demeech

Cadet Airman

Leonidas, Cadmium, Banana Bob

Cadet Airman First Class

stupid_

,

Stewie

,

Blackhawk

Cadet Senior Airman

Tehgood, Indentured Djinn

,

Chaotic_Diablo

Cadet Staff Sergeant

mlaker, scalebane

Cadet Technical Sergeant
Cadet Master Sergeant

Bloojay

Cadet Senior Master Sergeant

Vraak X

,

Werebear

Cadet Chief Master Sergeant
Cadet Second Lieutenant

shadyforce

Cadet First Lieutenant

Prizm

Cadet Captain

Tigris

Cadet Major

EnPaceRequiescat

,

Modargo

Cadet Lieutenant Colonel

Untrod Tripod

Cadet Colonel

Dementia Blader

Key:

Claimed

Dead Town

Dead Scum

Cam

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EPR, you had TEN DAYS to get your choice in!

Cam

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Just based on the rank list, I'm starting to feel like one of Cadmium or Leo has to be scum. But then again, this is what I thought yesterday (including Bob in the list), and that just ended up with a dead townie Bob.

Cam

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Okay, I think I have to come out with this. I am a member of Charlie Flight, and am not pro-town. I thought Demeech was to, but a) it doesn't say so for sure in my PM, and b) The pummeling of freshman seems slightly evil. But I still think we're a mason group and that he was pro-town.

Charlie flight is characterized by its disrespect for authority. This is why I didn't show up to my meeting with Cadmium and why I was written up day one (I think it was day 1).

Cam

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Ummm...oops. I was debating writing "pro-town" and "not anti-town." I had "not anti-town" at first, and then realized that left open the possibility that I was neutral, so I changed anti- to pro- and the result was as to be expected. D'oh.

Cam

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*chirp chirp*

?

Cam

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I think there's something fishy about the two rumor claims.

Cadmium claims to receive one rumor each night. Leo claims to randomly send out rumors about whoever he investigates. Not that these are contradictory, but they don't really seem to mesh well. Do either of you have a comment about the others claim? Can anyone verify a receipt of a rumor that Leo sent out?

Cam

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Oh before I forget cam, would it be possible to say how many charlie members are remaining?

Good point. There's one more alive other than me (i.e. there were 3 to start).

Waitin' on Leo....

Cam

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I thuoght the fact that Demeech was a Freshman-pummeler was now common knowledge.

Cam

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I don't think so...you're claiming that someone else in the game should have received this info?

If so, by all means, come forward.

Cam

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Sounds like a plan, then. But I'm still wary, espeically because of the plethora of Cadet Airman claims.

Cam

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Vote: Blackhawk

Cam

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I think the deadline's passed. Waddup?

Cam

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Fair enough. Hope you feel better.

Cam

[mathcam]

Given the lack of night choices on previous nights, I certainly wouldn't be surprised by inactive scum. Who would have been a good choice for the doc? No one really sticks out to me as both a) Pro-town, and b) Strong role. So even if it was a doc-protect, I"d lean more toward "lucky doc" than "good doc," unless I"m forgetting a big role that's been revealed.

Cam

[mathcam]

Will you now...

I believe we're still waiting for some results? Leo/Cadmium, for instance?

Cam

[mathcam]

*peers into room*

Cadmium? Leo? You guys there?

...



...

Ummm...carry on.

*runs away*

Cam

[mathcam]

Why Vraak? We know there's a role-writer-upper, and EPR's claimed it with no counter-claim. Unless you know something we don't (in which case OUT WITH IT!) I don't see how you can push so hard on the EPR 'wagon.

Cam

[mathcam]

Fair enough.

Vraak, aren't there other roles in that list that a batllion would only have one of, but of which we have multiple?

On the other hand, there

are

only one of each of the other top roles. Interesting.

Cam

[mathcam]

Just waitin' for Leo over here...

Cam

[mathcam]

I find Werebear's post very bizarre. That hardly seems a voteworthy offense. On the other hand, I'm now slightly concerned that Leo and Cadmium are scum together. If they were both scum and making up this rumor stuff, then the only way they could safely avoid the lynch today is by backing up each other's stories. Even if they're not both scum, there's still a good chance that one of them is and is doing a good job of duping the other.

I forget...did anyone else receive rumor results from Leo? Did anyone get this rumor last night?

Cam

[mathcam]

I think Werebear makes a good point. Where does this calculus teacher incidence fit in, in the context of this game?

Cam

[mathcam]

If I were keen on agreeing with people, wouldn't it make more sense to agree with you

and

Leo rather than the solitary Werebear.

I

was

confused about Leo's role...I thought a person at random got rumours, not the same person every night. But I still had plenty of questions about this yesterday, too. The reason they weren't as important then is that the two of you promised some results overnight, and now you've delivered. This seems to me like a perfectly logical time to start questioning the validity of your claims.

Cam

[mathcam]

Shouldn't there be a lot of rumours floating around by now? A search of Leo's posts turns up two: Demeech's birthday punches and Camium's calculus teacher. The first of these was already known, and the second is being verified by Leo's possible partner in crime. All in all, not a compelling defense.

There was one issue about whether or not the "special gifts" rumor was public before hand. Maybe I'll try to find that.

Last but not least, it's quite possible that there's a scum role that gets rumors, so even verifying the rumors does not constitute a complete defense. What purpose do these rumors serve in this game?

Cam

[mathcam]

Yes, there should. A search of Leo's posts? Two? All in all, not a compelling research.

That was one of your posts, not one of Leo's. But this quells at least some, if not most, of my fears about the Cadmium/Leo thing. Thanks for the link.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm sick of hearing about write ups. Cadet Senior Master Sergeant Wearbear reporting. As Discipline Sergeant, I investigate one write up per night.

Night 1 No choice (no one written up yet)
Night 2 Mathcam failed his room inspection. By a lot.
Night 3 I was on tours, no night action
Night 4 Blackhawk had his rank off by 1/32.
Night 5 IndenturedDjinn was up past lights out and stole a few garbage cans. (he was already lynched, but he was the only choice that night)
Tonight - I'll be on tours again, no night action.

That should either help, or not. Thanks, person who writes other people up! Now leave me alone!

This is also accurate about me, at least, at a time when nothing had yet been revealed about me (I think). So I'm less suspicious of Werebear.

Cam

[mathcam]

Agreed. Darkblade, can we get an update on the plan?

Cam

[mathcam]

Beginning

?

Cam

[mathcam]

Amusing fact: Sign-ups for this game started 1 year and 3 days ago. The one-year anniversary of the thread being started is about a month and a half away.

Cam

[mathcam]

Um, right...Isn't 45 days about a month and half, EPR?

Cam

[mathcam]

Ah, okay. Now if we just wrangle up one of the mod-types...

I'll PM him.

Cam

[mathcam]

We probably all are. But I think it's okay...Darkblade hasn't been on to even get the PMs I sent him.

Cam

[mathcam]

Number 4 what? I guess I have mixed feelings about the abandoning. On the anti-abandoning side, we've been through this several times already this game, so one more is hardly something shocking. It's quite easy to just let this game exist until it eventually gets under way again. Plus, there's something to be said for completing this game after a year of our lives have already been put in it. On the pro-abandoning side, this is ridiculous.

Another option is to see if we can get some semblance of a replacement mod. I don't know for sure, but I don't think that there's too much behind-the-scenes stuff left in the game. We can just speed-lynch one by one, and hope that all the scum die before the townies do.

Cam

[mathcam]

Don't worry, you didn't miss anything.

Cam

[mathcam]

We could even have the lynchee, if he's willing, collect night choices.

Cam

[mathcam]

Wow, not only has Darkblade not replied to my message from a week ago, and not only has he not even opened it, but he hasn't opened the one I sent him on July 16th telling him to quit lurking in Tuthrededmafya.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm posting in queue.

Cam

[mathcam]

I think I found out what happened to Darkblade.

Post or Perish.

He didn't post...



Let that be a lesson to all you lurkers out there.

Cam

[mathcam]

How's this coming?

Cam

[mathcam]

Maybe you could prompt people with PMs, Fishbulb? Or would you rather I did it?

Cam

[mathcam]

Any of that sounds fine. I say any way you can get the game running again is fine with me, whether or not it's got all of the initial designs.

Cam

[mathcam]

Bump? Maybe we should modkill both of them?

Cam

[mathcam]

Alright, well we still have all the information from before. Since I don't remember too much about what's going on, I feel like the rank claim list is the best place to start: I'll go try and update it.


Oh, and 1000th reply! Woo!

Cam

[mathcam]

Complete Rank List:

Cadet Airman Basic

Someone

,

mathcam

,

Winnie The Foo

,

Demeech

Cadet Airman

Leonidas

, Cadmium,

Banana Bob

Cadet Airman First Class

Flying Dutchman

,

Stewie

,

Blackhawk

Cadet Senior Airman

Tehgood, Indentured Djinn

,

Chaotic_Diablo

Cadet Staff Sergeant

mlaker, scalebane

Cadet Technical Sergeant
Cadet Master Sergeant

spork76

Cadet Senior Master Sergeant

Vraak X

,

Werebear

Cadet Chief Master Sergeant
Cadet Second Lieutenant

shadyforce

Cadet First Lieutenant

Prizm

Cadet Captain

PeaceBringer

Cadet Major

EnPaceRequiescat

,

Modargo

Cadet Lieutenant Colonel

pwnz

Cadet Colonel

Dementia Blader

Key:

Claimed

Dead Town

Dead Scum

Mystery Dead

[mathcam]

Sorry for the triple post, but it's good to get things started again. I think that list is mostly accurate, though someone might want to double-check some stuff. I wasn't positive about "Spoiled Rich Kid" being pro-town or not (BananaBob, I think).

Thoughts? FD might be kind of scummy if the Cadet Airman First Class scum distribution looks like the Senior Airman distribution.

Also funny is the pairs of roles in Senior Master Sergeant and Cade Major, whereas most of the upper roles have only one. It looks a lot like EPR and one of Vraak/Werebear made a misclaim.

All of this is mitigated by the fact that Darkblade might have (probably did?) throw things off a little just so we can't get too much information from the list.

Finally, though I put him in blue, I'm relatively sure Someone was pro-town. We were the Charlie Flight or something.

Fishbulb: Are you saying we're forbidden from using the old information? That seems kind of...weird.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, I see your point. We will no longer be able to

gain

any useful information from the ranks. At the same time, the information is still present about what ranks had been revealed before the abandonment (B.A.), which may give us clues as to which of the remaining players are scum.

Cam

[mathcam]

All ranks were given out with the roles at the very beginning. We have no guarantees about anything in terms of distributions, though, so anything I said above about who may may or may not be guilty because of it is all conjectural.

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, he keeps doing that.

My point is that there's 2 at that rank, Vraak, while there are

no

master seargeants or technical sergeants. If we believe that Darkblade put at least one person at each rank, then it's probably the case that one of you or Werebear is lying about his rank, and is consequently probably scum. I'm certainly not making any argument based on the real-life practices of military school.

And I agree, since we know modargo was pro-town, we'll get a lot of information about whether or not this colletion of theories holds any water by lynching EPR. If he's scum, then I think it's extremely likely that one of Vraak or Werebear is.

Vote: EPR

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh right, I forgot there were other reasons to suspect that EPR might not be scum. His night-time ability has been somewhat verified...I'm not sure how much that implies he's pro-town, though.

Cam

[mathcam]

Bwaaaa???

Cam

[mathcam]

Heh. Habit. Seriously, Peace, whaddup?

Cam

[mathcam]

a) Long time no see, Werebear!
b) Yeah, my point isn't really that the mafia would be assigned non-randomly. My point is that the mafia, when cornered into claiming a rank, may have

felt

that their rank may eventually expose them so chose to lie about it. Thus, if

ranks

were assigned in a systematic way, we can find mafia by finding situations in the rank list that seem implausible.

The top 2 candidates for this are EPR and one of you/Vraak X. Unfortunately, all 3 of you are people I'd rank in the more innocent category.

Cam

[mathcam]

Have you listed

one

reason to suspect me? Other than that I'm a semi-confirmed mason?

Cam

[mathcam]

For what it's worth, I

have

already confessed that my role is sort of a rebel to authority...that I blow off inspections, meetings, etc.

Cam

[mathcam]

What are you talking about?

You've claimed there "just as many reasons" to lynch me as anyone else, yet I've provided good reasons why to go after specific other people and you have yet to provide one reason, let alone a

good

one, to go after me.

On the other hand, Tigris is relatively tough to read. I find it hard to believe that PB would be this belligerent if he were a townie. My vote's now starting to sway in that direction.

Cam

[mathcam]

Gee, I didn't realize putting "Gee" before a sentence made the argument more legitimate.

I don't make meetings. That's part of my role. If you somehow think this implies I killed someone, feel free to elaborate.

I am part of a group, and there's no "not really" about it. There's obviously a group called Charlie Flight, because the mod revealed this. When I revealed that

I

was in this group, there were no arguments from anyone else in the game. If I were lying, someone else would have contradicted me.

Finally, all the mafia have been revealed: "Mafia Core Commander," "Mafia Thug," "Mafia Brownnoser." Demeech, my co-mason, was revealed as "Cadet Airman Basic Demeech, Charlie Flight Member," and not as a mafia.

Thus in all but the most bizarre and convoluted of scenarios, it is both true that I am confirmed to be a member of Charlie Flight

and

Charlie Flight was "pro-town." Hence I feel I am very justified in modestly claiming myself to be "semi-confirmed".

Cam

[mathcam]

On mathcam/leo: I believe they have some rumor/receiving thing

You mean cadmium/leo? Not that I like to turn down a "more on the pro-town side" declaration.

I agree that there

was

a suspicion that Charlie Flight was anti-town, but it seems rather ridiculous to me. That means that in addition to the 3 mafia dead, the remaining mafia, and any SKs we have, that we have

another

scum group of 3. That's just a ridiculous amount of scum.

I'm glad to see this has turned into a real game again.

Cam

[mathcam]

No, but night 4 there was two kills, both of which are (I think) unaccounted for. It could be that the second killer has to earn his kills, and that failed to happen because of the rampant lurkiness from a lot of players early in the game.

Cam

[mathcam]

You're right. I saw:

Cadet 1st Luitenant Prizm, Officer, backstabbed Night 4
Cadet Senior Airman ID, Prankster, killed by brain hemoraging Day 4

and assumed that a death by brain "hemoraging" would have to have happened during the night.

But what makes you think

a) That "Vaark" and I have been leading the town, and
b) That were in such bad shape? Before we had to modkill2 for inactivity, there was probably 1-3 scum left out of the remaining 12 players, and before the deroleification, there were some decent pro-town roles. That's a pretty strong town position in a mini game.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, I'm pretty decided to lynch EPR. Vraak seems pretty adamant about this, and it is a very suspect place for him to be on the rank chain.

I don't think my vote on EPR is moving before the end of the day, and unless anyone has strong ideas on someone else, I'd encourage you to join me.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm viewing today's lynch (if it's EPR) as a way of testing the rank theory. If EPR's pro-town, we can throw the whole thing out the window. If he's scum, there may be more information hidden in there somewhere. I don't know anything about the military, really, but it seems like Vraak does, and he's pretty sure about it,

and

the distribution on the claimed ranks list does look bizarre. That's better than I have against anyone else.

Cam

[mathcam]

If you're worried about the day ending too fast, you haven't played this game for long enough.

I agree that we should have everyone reveal what their roles were. I'd be incredibly surprised if we could decide upon a lynch, let alone actually execute it before everyone got around to claiming. Unless there are extremely suspect claims, I'd like to know how much information we can get out of the ranks, and if it's nothing, then fine, we'll disect role claims tomorrow.

Cam

[mathcam]

Continuing that, I still strongly believe that voting someone who has been for the most part innocent other than a potential technicality is just wrong.

I disagree with this on a couple of levels. First, at the start of the game,

everyone

is "for the most part innocent." We wouldn't get anywhere if we didn't vote for people based on slight suspicions. Second, on top of slight suspicions, we have the potential to gain a lot of information (and possibly bag a scum) with your lynch. It is never "wrong" to lynch someone if it's the optimal strategy. Games are games and you play them the way you see fit.

My only other suspicion (probably more scummy than Vraak) is Cam. His recent posts look like someone trying to join someone else's potential movement against someone else. You simply don't agree with someone because they are "adamant" about it.

Let me immodestly claim that, at least recently, this is my plan and not Vraak's. If you look at the order in which things happened today, I don't think I can be accused of blindly following a plan of Vraak's. And no, it's not always a good idea to follow someone because they're adamant...but this is a case when Vraak X is claiming to be sure of how unlikely something is based on his own real-life knowledge. And that

is

something I'm willing to risk putting a little faith in.

Cam

[mathcam]

Like I said before, my vote's staying. It may be that we have plenty of suspicions on people to get a better lynch, but I

need

to know how reliable the rank list is. On top of this, I think we have plenty of time...I doubt there can be much scum left.

Cam

[mathcam]

Ditto (but also notes Cadmium wasn't in the above list). The only ones

I'm

frustrated with are the two replacements who have barely shown their face in this game. I think a little lurkingness is not totally out of line for shady and werebear who, like Cadmium, have been active for most of the game. (This isn't to say they shouldn't step it up a notch!)

Cam

[mathcam]

Don't forget to read the thread, spork...don't just come in and jump on a bandwagon. At the same time, let's finish this day.

Cam

[mathcam]

WHAT? My year-long-plus quest to finish my part in this game is finally over? I'm finally FREE?

Ahhhhhhhhh.....

peaceful death......

Cam

p.s. /in to replace if needed.

[mathcam]

Yizzo in the hiznouse. I'll catch up (just a page or two, I think) and get back to ya.

Cam

[mathcam]

Wel, spork, that's what happend when in two of weeks of being in the game, you're only post is

hi and vote epr

.

As for what to do today, I think Cadmium's (and whoever else's) point about going after non-revealers is a pretty good one. Aside from that, I have fairly strong suspicions on PeaceBringer. Very defensive, very agressive, and I'm getting a different feel from him thatn I have in a couple of other of his games. Maybe that's just to be expected because he's replacing in a game that's already 40 pages long.

FD, can you think of a single reason

not

to reveal your role (other than it's hard to fake one since you might be scum).

Cam

[mathcam]

If you'll read my post again, you'll note that I never said that you weren't aggressive or defensive in other games. I said that I was getting a different feel off of you than in other games.

Interesting you come out and go in this vein when you replace Spork who already was questionable.

What "vein" is this, exactly? The one where I point out how suspicious you're acting?

You're just trying too hard to find suspicion wherever you look.

Vote: PeaceBringer

Cam

[mathcam]

Take me out for all I care, let scum win game. Oh wait you replaced a scum--

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. You've barely mentioned spork at all today, and all of a sudden you're now sure of it? I think you're scum and are reacting extremely defensively to being found out.

Cam

[mathcam]

Huh? That seems ridiculous to me. How complicated of a role could Darkblade have possibly included? That sounds awfully like you've prepared a fake role claim that's based on your real-life military expertise.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hey EPR, sorry I got you lynched.

Cam

[mathcam]

Yay, another bandwagon for PB to jump on!

I'm lovin' my vote.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hm, this seems a little too close to my role for my liking,

and

the *sigh* makes me think he's over-acting,

and

I can't see why he wouldn't have revealed this info earlier.

Unvot, Vote: FD

I think this makes 4. Me eye's on PB tomorrow, though.

Cam

[mathcam]

Why is there 2 scum likely left?

Cam

[mathcam]

I too am quite happy to go after PB today. I just think he seems really scummy.

Cam

[mathcam]

"To prevent a lynch"? It was 2 out of 4. Are you saying you also subscribe to the 2-scum theory?

I'm not eager to lynch, and didn't even put on a vote. I'm just saying that I've now been gunning for PB for 3 days, and would still like to see him get lynched.

Cam

[mathcam]

I feel so much that PB is scum right now, that I'm willing to

Vote: PB

, and if I'm wrong, I'll put some serious thought in to it tomorrow. I think that's 3 out of 4, though I'm apparently not that good at counting.

Cam

[mathcam]

Spork (and consequently, I) did not know the right role.

That last post makes me pretty suspicious of Vraak. A little bit of overacting perhaps? Of course, this is moot if PB turs out to be scum, but just something to look for tomorrow.

Cam

[mathcam]

...says the dead man.

PB, have you not read anything? The reason we couldn't restart the game is because we couldn't get everyone's roles back. I was not given a role upon replacing spork because that role was unknown.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, I've had just about enough of you. My recent suspicions have been based entirely on analysis...analysis of the game since it's restarted. And yes, I've thought about who you replaced, and looked through Tigris' posts. There's nothing there that makes me suspect that you're pro-town, and there are others that I

do

feel are probably pro-town (the new EPR, for one).

If you really are town, maybe you should spend less time "analyzing" and more time on not looking quite so scummy. You're extremely agressive, defensive, and your vote jumps all over the place.

Cam

[mathcam]

someday you will figure out how I play--

Perhaps, or perhaps some day you will figure out how to play better. Though there are definitely a wide variety of playing styles, not

every

one is as good as any other. You're as obnoxious as Antrax without the skills to back it up.

free me from this game-- and I already know scum are going to win--

That's just stupid.

I can't wait for twilight to be over.

Cam

[mathcam]

and there are others that I do feel are probably pro-town (the new EPR, for one).

EnPaceRaquiscat is piled with the other corpses.

Yeah, I shouldn't have said that. Damn.

Okay, time to check everyone out again. I can't believe we haven't lynched Vraak yet, and unfortunately, it's now lynch or lose time.

I think no lynch has to be right for today.

Cam

[mathcam]

For the no lynch, this is a pretty common mafia situation. If there's one scum left out of the 4 of us (seems very likely, since we'd probably be dead if there were 2), then if we lynch wrong, we lose. So we can either lynch today with a probability 1/4 of hitting scum, or we can lynch tomorrow with a 1/3 probability of hitting scum. Obviously 1/3 is better than 1/4, and in either case lynching wrong loses. So that's why it's best to give the mafia a chance to kill one of us off (as counter-intuitive as it seems).

For the second question: Well, it would have to me, because I would have been fairly sure of EPR's innocence, which would have made the decision-making process a little easier (at least for me). But now he's dead and I'm stuck with you all.

Cam

[mathcam]

Why the heck would you be most probable to die tonight?

Cam

[mathcam]

I'll vote no lynch once we hear from shady.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, interesting point. I'm not sure I totally buy it, though....anyway,

vote: no lynch

.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, let me just tell you how glad you should be that your vote didn't work. Whether or not you think you're sure, putting someone one vote away from lynch when there's a scum on the loose is very bad.

I'm pretty convinced that shady's our scum. I began to think it yesterday when he came on so forcefully about the whole no lynch...seemed like a pretty agressive attempt to look pro-town.

Wow, I went back and hoped that bloojay gave me something to work with, but he made 12 posts in the 5 months he was in the game. Sheesh.

Again, pwnz, I urge you to reconsider. Why were you going to vote for me anyway? What makes you think Shady is pro-town?

Cam

[mathcam]

What question have I not answered? Even without knowing, I can tell you the answer: I don't know. Spork didn't know what his role was either, because bloojay forgot. This was part of the reason we had to scrap all of our roles and go to sudden death in the first place, instead of just continuing the gams as normal.

The no lynch was absolutely the correct play...why am I scummy for suggesting it?

Cam

[mathcam]

I didn't say shady was scummy for suggesting it, I said he was scummy for doing so that aggressively. Look at his post:

Well, I was all set to explain why no-lynch was better than lynching but Cam beat me to it.

I think you guys have been foolish talking at all today except to point out that no-lynch is the correct play. Anything you say now will only help scum with their choice of kill, such as who is likely to try and lynch whom.

You're telling me that doesn't sound like scum trying

really

hard to appear pro-town? Come on, pwnz, make the right choice here.

Maybe a modprod of shady would be appropriate?

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, right. Time sure does pass slow on the boards when you're on a lot.

Cam

[mathcam]

Bah. Damn you shady and your semi-convincing posts.

Let's see...if shady were scum, he easily could have jumped on the Cam wagon figuring pwnz was one easy convincing away from winning the game. Of course, the alternative is to jump on the pwnz bandwagon, claim that he's getting "pro-town" vibes from me, and hope that

I'll

be the sucker that gives him his second vote. Now, obviously, the trick is to decide which is the truth.

Shady, what do you think of pwnz's "proof of innocence" in his first post?

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, that's why I put in quotes. Your post seems to both say "Of course I'm not proven innocent" and "You should both know I'm innocent"....

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, I'm convinced. I don't think shady would have claimed cop on day 2 if he were scum. I also think if he were scum he would have come after me today. I realize that this may be a counter-ploy to get me to vote, but even then, I think he would have had an easier job of it going after me than after pwnz. Unfortunately, there are a couple of arguments the other way...so I do this with mild trepidation, as I'm pretty sure I've been burned by shady before, so if it happens again, then well...bah. It wouldn't be so bad if this game weren't already a 14-month investment.

Vote: pwnz

Cam

[mathcam]

Sigh. Shady, when will I learn?

Cam

[mathcam]

Hm, good point, Fishbulb.

Also, one of the biggest reasons I voted for pwnz is was because it didn't look like pwnz was going to vote for shady, so the only viable not-me lynch was pwnz. D'oh.

Pretty smooth on the modding front, Fishbulb. Yeah, end-of-day vote counts, and unless I missed it, you usually didn't post the results of the previous day's lynch (whether the lynchee was town or scum) until the next morning. In any case, thanks a bunch for volunteering, so we can now lay this puppy down to sleep.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, killing dogs is just a hobby.

Cam

[mathcam]

Ditto for the last paragraph.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well yeah, me too. I woke up in the morning going after shady, very suspicious of his aggressive stance on the no lynch front. I was, in fact,

convinced

of his scumminess...until he started posting. Bah!

There was a time a few months ago where shady and I were in three games at the same time, or something like that, and shady beat me in all 3 at once. That was demoralizing. Do you remember what they were? Off the top of my head, I"m thinking something like Monty Python mafia, Pokemafia, and one of Werebear's hitchhiker games.

Another

part of the reason I lynched wrong today was becaue I was worried I was finding shady scummy only because I didn't want to lose to him again, and I apparently overcompensated. Look how well that worked.

Cam

[mathcam]

Wow, we've been in a lot of games together.

Cam

[mathcam]

I wasn't sure what to do.. and I didn't want to be the one to cast a wrong vote.

Heh. If it weren't for misbolding, you would have voted wrong in the first post of the day!

Cam