Open 561: Farmer's Market (Game Over)

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Hi guys! I'll post and read up after I'm home from school.

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I'm up to date on reading now. I don't really have time to say anything other than that passing below is the optimal strategy.

@The Bulge -- hayato's push for his strategy... does not make him scummy. A scum would have conformed by now and dropped their idea, but hayato seems set on his plan for genuine reasons (he thinks it's better).

However, hayato's sheepish votes make me uneasy but it's no big deal for this moment. I don't think he's scum (...for now).

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Bulge isn't scum and I'm 99% okay with the Siveure wagon. First, I wanna hear what havingfitz has to say.

(I also need to get on a computer so I can say shit).

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In the other one, town lost pretty badly (lynched one mafia day 1 and still lost). IIRC, they didn't fruit until night 3, and when they did, it was a shitstorm (idek if it was random/in an order). Xay (the winning scum) managed to use a "I fruited the guy that died." excuse and won. Town played terrible.

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Urgh, I don't like how I feel about you, Siveure. You're giving off one of those "I'm pushing for a lynch on town, not scum." feel.

PEdit: YAY! I'm not crazy for almost being certian Bulge is town.

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Unofficial Votecount 1.1

(L-3)

Siveure DtTrikyp (3) -

havingfitz, The Bulge, Formerfish

mathbandit (2) -

don_johnson, hayatoBL

The Bulge (1) -

Siveure DtTrikyp

innocentvillager (1) -

mathbandit

Not Voting (4) -

Aronis, innocentvillager, T S O, Bins

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

-- Note: sorry if anything is wrong, just thought this was due for an update.

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Unlike Aronis, let's hop on this baby. I said I was def okay with this wagon since Bulge was obvs Town and I had my suspicions about Siv. I think the cases against him have been made and I have nothing more to say than: Cool. that makes a bunch of sense.


and hopefully since he's unwillingly to talk to Bulge, he'll talk to his other fellow players.

VOTE: Siv
(I guess I should have done this before the VC, m'bad.)

@Aronis -- yeah, idk. I'm not great at strategy but preventing kills is numero uno magnifico in my book.

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Siv, I'm certain everyone voting has ISO'd you multiple times.

Pedit - yup. still certain.

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zzz how can I have so many comprehension failures if I said one small thing that was true in response to one small comment you made
but sorry for misunderstanding if I actually did!

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Oh, I thought you meant my other post. Makes sense.

I still think Bulge is town, lol.

You should probably mention the comprehension failures on things of other than why Bulge is scum. Like... why you aren't scum and if we have any reads wrong about that.

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(Which we obviously will have if you're town).

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Yes.

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L-1.

And I agree, scum or not, Siv's acting like a child.

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Although come to think of it, they could be scum together trying to coordinate a quick self-hammer to avoid further discussion.

Really? That'd be a horrible looking play. Mathbandit's vote already looks horrible though...

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Siv, darling, you keep playing with my heart.
You make me feel as if you're trying to get us to change our votes in multiple manipulative ways. And it's starting to work, so I really don't like it. I'm gonna look over the game again when I get home.

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Bins, I will admit to just trying to screw with everyone's head earlier, but I wasn't doing it there.

Urgh. Okay. In a way, I can believe that.

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If I think someone is Scum, and they are my highest suspect at the time, I need a reason to not have my vote on them. The fact they might be Scum and self-hammer is not a good enough reason.

We're fucked if we go into night right now, unprepared.

Town would not want a quick, uncalled for self-hammer right now. A town's immediate reaction wouldn't be "Hey dude I put you at L-1, here ya go! Now you can do that thing were we go into night and completely fuck town over!!!" Especially since you think Siv is scum... you'd be afraid of scum trying to fuck town over. Scum can easily fuck town over rn by going into night early. We have a replacement and three people not active/caught up. C'mon.

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Oh, I should mention that I think that passing should be done earlier on rather than late. It was asked before when would the passing nights be and I'm not sure what the consensus is on that. In the first game for this setup, they didn't pass until the third day which fucked them over. Waiting, and if we mislynch twice or even once, it makes it much easier (or even more willingly) for Mafia to lie about what happened during the night.

So, hopefully you're able to pass, even with the V/LA? :/

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Siv, I somewhat admire this play if you're scum. I'm going to keep my vote here for now, but I'm certain I'll be easily swayed off it by maybe another post or my own reads.

Reads would be easier if half the game wasn't gone/leaving. ;-;

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I'm gonna call this summary town, null, scum and htfsik (how the fuk should I know).

Bulge -- town
Formerfish -- probably town
Havingfitz -- probably town
Siv -- htfsik anymore, probably town or I just got baited and outsmarted
Aronis -- null, doesn't say much
Hayato -- scummier than most
Math -- scummier than most
TSO, Dj, IV -- htfsik

I should look at positions on wagons but that's going to confuse me more.

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I'm happy where my vote stands zzz

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Actually, I'm done playing safe in a game which is pretty dead.

VOTE: Aronis

Your votes (and unvotes) are starting to get more ew.

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--:Unofficial Vote Count:--

• T S O [ 0 ]
  
• havingfitz [ 0 ]
  
• Siveure DtTrikyp [ 2 ] havingfitz, mathbandit
  
• Aronis [ 1 ] Bins
  
• innocentvillager [ 0 ]
  
• The Bulge [ 0 ]
  
• don_johnson [ 0 ]
  
• hayatoBL [ 2 ] Formerfish, Aronis
  
• mathbandit [ 2 ] Don_Johnson, HayatoBL
  
• Formerfish [ 0 ]
  
• Bins [ 0 ]

Not Voting

: innocentvillager, T S O, Sivuere DtTrikyp, The Bulge

Amount To Lynch

: With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch

Deadline

: None.

-- lemme know if i goofed.

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You tunnelled on Siv so long that you forgot to realize other people look scummy, dude. Siv is getting uncomfortable-y fucky with my mind opposed to other people who I can read easier (hopefully).

@Aronis, sorry. That deserves explaination. Explain your vote.

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But yeah, Bulge, it's good you're doing the re-reads.

Ughuhgh, this game.

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If the explanation is good, I'm down to vote math.

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UNVOTE:

My vote was on Aronis. But I'll unvote for now. No point voting him when he's not answering yet.

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welcome to this game.

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Meh, we should put a big pause button on this game anyways.

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Sorry, really tought time with work right now.

Ice's entry post seems fine.
No one has yet to make an actual good case on Matt.
I don't like the Neil wagon.

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Agreed. So many people have been, "Oh, I'll make a case on Math" or "I'll look at Math." But nothing ever happens.

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I want Ice to say more. His openning post looked fine, but it made me feel weird.


I'm not feeling the math lynch rn. Idk.

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sorry if any of this has already been mentioned, i have a lot on my mind relating to other things rn

VOTE: mathbandit

replacing into a game with one, unexplained vote doesn't make me feel good. esp with only one other read.

This day needs to end right fucking now and I'm not lynching neil since the wagon on him is bullshit.

i agree with this tho! +1

Also, the night strategy should absolutely be giving fruit to the person below you on the list (or on top if you're the last one). We need the information now, not later in the game, so our best strategy is indeed to get it over with on N1 and N2 and play the rest of the game mountainous but with extra information.

I will personally lead the wagon on everyone who claims to not have followed the strategy.

i feel like as an entry post, this is kind of fishing for town points.. or trying to clean up the shit IV mentioned... biggest thing that felt off to me.

Also, I've got my eye on Siveure. When I started reading the thread, I had him as solidly town, until he posted this. Asking for confirmation about something that is in the scum role PM right at the front of the thread is scum behavior.

it was very unclearly worded in the scum role pm at the front of the thread

Mafia Two Shot Fruit Vendor

Hi! You're cool, and guess what, you're scum! I just want you to know that I don't think any less of you for that.

Just so you don't feel alone I got a friend for you, their name is [partner name], they also are a rad awesome two shot mafia fruit vendor.

Fun Things You Can Do!

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• Buddy Talk
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  You can talk to your friend here,
  [QT]
  
• Killing People
  : Either you or your buddy can submit the kill.
  
• Dispensing Fruit
  : During two different nights, you may give another player a piece of fruit. The player will be notified they received fruit.

VOTE: ice dude man

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oh, i didn't like the "this game should end right fucking now" part. missed cutting that out. i meant the neil thing.

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I reread it like 10 times because it felt kind of off after rereading it once.

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It was an overstatement, lol. But no, other people pointed that out, I went back and looked at it, and I realized I didn't like the fact he felt like he was trying to get town points.

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*exaggeration

i don't english

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I also agree with Siv, I don't have any better reads than that unfortunately. I see the DJ points but I don't want to lynch based on "laziness." and stuff like that.

Honestly, I'm feeling that it's more likely that one of the silent people is scum. By that I mean Aronis and "tso." I guess you could put DJ and Ice in the category.

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vote ice please.

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Wanna know the dumb thing? One of the main reasons I'm less suspicious of The Rock is because he's not caught up. He probably enjoys playing scum a lot more. And being VT is becoming apathetic, as many have said.

I know that's not a strong point, but honestly, given the fact that NO ONE has really done anything productive, I don't think The Rock looks that bad.

I'll look into the points against Fish when I have time. I'm off to school.

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holy bukkake neil you lovely motherfucker

fitz is just eating your dust right now

honestly, i do agree. with everything. i'm one to be very easily manipulated. but i guess time just made me forget how scummy siv seemed. he was at l-1 before guys, let's just make this lynch happen.

i suspect ice the most still, but just based on the few posts he has made.

but i'm definitely okay with this lynch after reading that. i have nothing to add.

VOTE: siv
l-2, i think.

i'm twitchy to lynch. this day has been going on too long.

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Wait. What's the deal-y-oh. Are we passing fruit?

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Because I'm passing fruit to an empty slot, currently.

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i have this alternative plan, i don't know if it's better but there's no reason for me not to say it. it's a lot like hayato's.

i say go with the current plan 100% if the flip is town. but if we lynch scum tonight, there is one scum left. and there's an easy way to "thin the herd" in half.

--the plan--

we make half of us pass to the person below. we decide who now. it doesn't really matter. it should probably be the biggest scum reads at the moment. they must pass.

if there's a kill, we know half the group is innocent. we have "thinned the herd" by HALF. that's a shit ton of info.

if there's no kill. then we get no info. but at least we get no kill.

--is it better?--

i understand the other plan outs a single mafia if someone fails to pass... but that's the thing. if i were scum, i wouldn't kill. i'd wait until two nights pass and then start killing.

the current plan will probably only stop NK for 2 nights. not give us the info we hope it will. better.



not to mention, wastes less yummy fruit.

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i hope that makes sense. it might not. but it makes sense in my head.

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whoops, i realize i made a few typos.

basically: if siv is scum, we should make only half the people pass. if they pass successfully, and there's a NK, we clear all of their names. if there's no NK, then we get no info, but we stall.

the current plan only stalls for 2 nights. wastes all our fruit. and honestly, it's probably not going to get us info.

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b. if scum is supposed to pass fruit and they don't, then they're fucked cause we'll know they didn't pass fruit.

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4 would still pass to 5... 5 would pass to 6...

Scum can do a lot of fuck-y shit. Like lying. Scum always do that.

Actually... scum can screw a lot of crap up killing the pass-ers. Ugh.

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Ugh, I don't know, if I'm scum, and I'm not a passer. I could kill a passer and just fuck up a lot of shit.

And if I'm scum, and I'm a passer. Then I could kill a passer and just fuck up a lot of shit.

And then I could just blame it on scum trying to fuck up a lot of shit.

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Huh. I've given my scum reads.

ice and now siv. and i have growing suspicion for don.

not math or neil.

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You forgot about Bulge and Neil and I usually don't comment on reads but are you sure you read this game?

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They're almost the exact opposite of mine, so it's natural.

Also, not scum. Have taken stance on stuff.

You quoted my post in your first review post as if that was the last post I made. Are you sure you read all my posts there, m8? Because I made the push for Ice and I've dropped it because Neil is pretty damn nice with that convincing megasupernotepost.

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I don't understand your questions.

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If they give away fruit, they can't kill.

If scum don't night kill, we prevent a night kill and we only use half the fruit. (Pretty much the original plan but less fruit used).

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Ugh. Blrha d. I want to keep Siv. Siv gives me good feelings.

Ice gives me bad feelings.

I'm conflicted because Neil makes sense. I'll have to look over everything again for myself.

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I'm not..

Well, I am. Kind of. I understand the points against Siv, but I really don't get the gut feeling that he's scum yet. Honestly, without Neil's post reminding me about the start of the game, I probably ranked Siv as one of my highest town reads.

I just don't want mislynch cause I want my plan to go through, lol.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ice

I felt a LOT better with my vote here. It's staying here.

I'm going to trust my gut.

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And everyone confirms they understand them.

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^ Yeah, definitely second/third this.

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The less people, the later on, the easier for scum to lie.

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He figured it out - so you ARE scum?

I don't like this post. That seems awfully nit-picky. That was in no way a slip by Math.

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The chances of putting the two scum together on the list is 1.8%.

I think it's the best plan we've got.

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55 possible pairs. 1/55 = 1.8%.

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Oh, shit, ya right.

I shouldn't have doubted the guy with math in his name.

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So, math, do you think that since there's a 10% chance that scum are paired, do you think passing tonight is worth if we mislynch?

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July 28th.

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Why will there be 9, not 10?

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I'll do an unofficial one.

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--:Vote Count:--

• T S O [ 0 ]
  
• havingfitz [ 0 ]
  
• Siveure DtTrikyp [ 2 ] mathbandit, neil1113
  
• Aronis [ 0 ]
  
• IceGuy [ 2 ] Siveure DtTrikyp, Bins
  
• The Bulge [ 0 ]
  
• don_johnson [ 1 ] The Bulge
  
• neil1113 [ 1 ] havingfitz
  
• mathbandit [ 3 ] Aronis, IceGuy, Don_Johnson
  
  
• Formerfish [ 0 ]
  
• Bins [ 0 ]

Not Voting

: T S O, Formerfish

Amount To Lynch

: With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch

Deadline

: None.

correct me if wrong

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A math lynch is as terrible as an Ice lynch right now, in regards to you and Don out there. >:(

What the hell people? Why is Siv not dead? Don't tell me the defeatest attitude is manipulating you AGAIN.... Siv is trying desperately to appear town, don't let it fool you.

I don't like it when people talk like it's so obvious and that I shouldn't let it fool me.

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The former fish vote is missing on the VC.


Are we passing partner or circular? Cause Xay's post sounds against it.


And I guess I have nothing against voting Siv so we don't no lynch. ;-; It would help my sanity.

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Oh, that should be bolded.

former fish's vote is on Siv and is not included in the VC

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It's upsetting cause you're being a pain in the butt.


VOTE: Siv

If we happen to no lynch, we have to go in circular because pairs would fuck up.



If Siv is scum I sincerely apologize to Neil, if not, uhg sdngc vx.

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nO

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NO GODDAMMIT JOSHUA WHAT ARE YOU SAYING.

If Siv flips town, we pass in pairs.

If he flips scum, we do my plan. Fuck. We didn't lay it out.

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Odd numbers pass.
Even numbers don't.

Pass to the number below you.

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When Siv dies, your number will change.

1. Xayzeck T S O
2 havingfitz Marcrell
3 Aronis
4 IceGuy innocentvillager
5 The Bulge
6 don_johnson
7 Neil113 hayatoBL
8 mathbandit
9 Formerfish ashura525*
10 Bins Aeronaut

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K fuck, I don't think Robo is on so like yeah. Just listen to me. Failure to do so, well, fuck you.

1. If Siv flips Town, we pass in pairs listed by The Bulge.

2. If Siv flips Scum, odds pass to the person below them in this list.
1. Xayzeck T S O
2 havingfitz Marcrell
3 Aronis
4 IceGuy innocentvillager
5 The Bulge
6 don_johnson
7 Neil113 hayatoBL
8 mathbandit
9 Formerfish ashura525*
10 Bins Aeronaut

THIS LIST ^^^^.

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When Siv dies, your number will change.

1. Xayzeck T S O
2 havingfitz Marcrell
3 Aronis
4 IceGuy innocentvillager
5 The Bulge
6 don_johnson
7 Neil113 hayatoBL
8 mathbandit
9 Formerfish ashura525*
10 Bins Aeronaut

fix this it hurts mine eyes with replacements and prods

pauvre bebe

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1 Xayzeck
2 havingfitz
3 Aronis
4 IceGuy
5 The Bulge
6 don_johnson
7 Neil113
8 mathbandit
9 Formerfish
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happy?

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If anyone plans anything on misunderstanding, they're going to be lynched. This is fair warning.

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Annnnnnnnnnd now for the mod induced extended twilight.......

Hey. Be nice. This guy is running the game for you.

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Fruit received. Nom nom.

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Uh, Bulge definitely wasn't killed for his confirmed innocence around the town. Bulge was likely killed to frame (or I guess by) Don_Johnson.


Partner's who successfully passed don't clear each other as innocent. For example, Formerfish could have submitted the kill while his buddy could have passed to me (in this case, likely don_johnson or whatever happens with the Aronis/Ice Guy situation).

I don't have anything to say about Aronis yet.

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Actually, that was dumb.

Successfully passing between partners doesn't clear anyone simply because there are two scum. And one could have just passed normally. ;___;

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There's a lot of other possibilities. Ice was one of you scum reads before, why not assume that he's lying?

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Eh, I don't get emails. I think Aronis just forgot about us completely.


Can we force prod him? >.> like honestly we just need a yes or no.

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Lots, sadly. I'm hoping Aronis accuses Ice of lying so it comes down between them.

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The scum in a pair thing is right. Hopefully, Aronis didn't just forget cause that makes shit so much harder.

If scum were in a pair, I'd suspect Neil and Math, actually.

I think the lynch today should be Aronis/Ice (depending on what Aronis has to say) or Neil/Math.

That's just my opinion, but I don't see any other pair that strikes me as "THESE ARE BOTH SCUM."

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Can we get a force prod on him? Ugh.

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I doubt we end up lynching Don. Plus, I'd rather not.

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Didn't realize they were in a special order.



ARONIS YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME, JUST TELL US IF YOU SUBMITTED AN ACTION OR NOT. zzz.

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I'd lynch you if we didn't have to deal with this damn fruit.

I don't believe Don is scum. And I don't believe Aronis would not pass and kill.

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Your first two posts entering today have been nothing but scummy.

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You jumped to the Aronis conclusion too fast. Same with Don. You speculation about everything else, like the night kill, etc, seems way too forced.

I could be wrong. I'd rather wait for Aronis before I get into anything. Plus, it's not like I have to convince you that you're scum.

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Oops. Sorry! I didn't mean "same with don" as in you're doing that as well. I mean he's jumping to conclusions about you as well.

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Everyone else is accounted for except Aronis.

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You got fruit though?

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Weird. You should have gotten a message for that.

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Alright.

I want to lynch Aronis, but on the high chance that he flips town, we don't get any info.
I'm not lynching Don.

If we lynch Math/Neil, and one of them flips scum, we can lynch the other immediately.

Or we can lynch Aronis, do fruit passing again in different pairs, and then lynch Neil/Math.

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Oh. Well, fuck me then.

Ice/Aronis.


Pedit -- erhmm.

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IceGuy.

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Why did you think you had recieved at first?

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It depends on whether or not we kill Ice or Aronis first.

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My plan was only if Aronis claimed she got fruit and she claimed she did pass.

You wasted your time typing that up. I know it's between Don, Ice, Aronis.


I prefer Ice actually. But let's see what he has to say about not passing.

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Oops why did I just change the gender of Aronis in my mind. M'bad.

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I'm confident he's town. That's all. And I didn't mean the entire post, I meant the sentences where you insulted me.


If Aronis flips town, don't pass. We know who we're lynching.

If Aronis flips scum, then I don't even know. We have to decide on that.

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IF ARONIS FLIPS SCUM
Players in ON TOP pass to your partner, listed in groups below. Players BELOW do nothing.

IceGuy
havingfitz

Xayzeck
don_johnson

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Neil113

mathbandit
Formerfish



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How about this?

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Because then we're lynching Ice. Why would town Aronis lie about not receiving fruit?

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This doesn't make sense.

Ugh.

I hope Aronis flips scum or else my brain is going to frikn explode.

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I'll make it look OFFICIAL!

IF ARONIS FLIPS TOWN

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DO NOT PASS.
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IF ARONIS FLIPS SCUM

Players in ON TOP (in bold) pass to your partner, listed in groups below. Players BELOW do nothing.

IceGuy

havingfitz

Xayzeck

don_johnson

Bins

Neil113

mathbandit

Formerfish

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We should be good. I'd rather not delay this any longer or else my brain will melt.

VOTE: Aronis
That's L-1 by my count.

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Aronis pls.



I actually think Ice scum is more likely. We should figure out who everyone thinks is more likely to be scum out of the two, then.

pedit-- you didn't pass.

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Can I not fruit?

I like having a shot of fruit for when we actually do lynch scum so I can conftown

I'm confused. We aren't passing if we're lynching scum.

Ugh, but I guess I can change the order.

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*IF WE'RE NOT LYNCHING SCUM.

idek what I'n saying anynore

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*IF WE'RE NOT LYNCHING SCUM.

idek what I'n saying anynore

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updated then

IF ARONIS FLIPS TOWN

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DO NOT PASS.
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IF ARONIS FLIPS SCUM

Players in ON TOP (in bold) pass to your partner, listed in groups below. Players BELOW do nothing.

IceGuy

havingfitz

don_johnson

Xayzeck

Bins

Neil113

mathbandit

Formerfish

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Don't care, I've seen all I need to from you to know if I ever see you in a game again I'll pl your ass so fast you'll have flashbacks of your first time.

wha

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what the hell is going on

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well at least aronis' post count doubled

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someone hammer and I'll post the final.

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FINAL

IF ARONIS FLIPS TOWN

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DO NOT PASS. LYNCH ICE TOMORROW.
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IF ARONIS FLIPS SCUM

Players in ON TOP (in bold) pass to your partner, listed in groups below. Players BELOW do nothing.

IceGuy

havingfitz

don_johnson

Xayzeck

Bins

Neil113

mathbandit

Formerfish

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ZZZ. If I wake up and the flip still hasn't happened, I'll repost it but I don't think anyone's going to be stupid enough not to look for a plan.

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I ain't even mad if we mislynch.-

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Can we have Neil passing?

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Bah who am I even asking.

Neil, do you have any problems passing?

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I don't think Don and Neil should be doing the same thing.


Pedit - what? Like randomly pass to another passer?

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Btw if the thread locks before we change anything, we stick to the original plan Formerfish quoted twice.

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It's fine. It was Ice or I doing nothing and I'm okay with switching.

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You weren't fruiting

You asked to change last minute, remember?


Don, are you still certain math is scum?

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If Aronis did bus, it would be either hayato (so Neil) or math

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Definitely consider it but there are a lot of other possibilities

In my mind there's a greater chance he was framed and the other partner did nothing/passed normally to avoid suspicion of themself

My problem with ice scum is that Aronis claimed Ice didn't pass to him
I don't think he would out his partner like that
He was probably trying to take ice down

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The way she bounced around Day 1, throwing her vote around like 1 water bottle split between 56 sweaty, thirsty football players. Day 2, she seemed kind of set on Aronis but in my notes, I feel like she gave herself a way out if the town wanted to push Ice or Don.

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Would you say you get mislynched as town a lot?

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I asked Bins to do this earlier and she couldn't come up with anything either. I feel like that is a classic OMGUS accusation, and Bins just doesn't like my play style for whatever reason. Probably because I exposed her for the sheep she was. Oh well.

1. I did say why I suspected you.
2. See above for question.
3. Really? REALLY? You were the one saying "Bins, you're following Siv like a lost puppy blah blah how can you be so blind? Vote him he is obvs scum blah blah." You "exposing me" was nothing more than exposing me to be following a town you wrongly accused.

[Bins]

Just because he has a different possible situation in no way makes him scummier.

I was thinking of this last night.

Aronis died. Aronis submitted the kill. Wanna know what the other partner did? Nothing. He could be equally any single one of us. Don didn't kill Bulge. Aronis killed Bulge. There was no reason to kill Bulge other than to FRAME Don.

So yeah, scum hunting and stuff woooo.

[Bins]

(ofc wifom and stuff)


I'd rather look at Aronis' comments, see the wagons, and scumhunt today.

[Bins]

Aronis came into the day saying, "I forgot to pass, I'm so sorry." That was scum's strategy for the day.

Why the fuck would scum think that's a good idea?

I think they were counting on us lynching Don Johnson. I think that was their only plan. And maybe Aronis was MIA and unable to talk in the scum QT but I don't see why they wouldn't have submitted the kill through the MIA person. The partner would have assumed Aronis wouldn't be there to fruit, why would he submit the kill and not fruit as well? I'd make Aronis do it. Especially if he wasn't there.

[Bins]

It could have been anyone of us equally. Maybe a liiiiiittle more Don_Johnson. But I think we should look at Neil's babbling and consider him as a bigger candidate today. Maybe even Math.

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Someone had to tell me in game that it was possible, but yeah I didn't see it anywhere on a scumQT or role pm or anything.

[Bins]

Yeah, no scumread on Xay. I like Don's point about the fact mafia would kill if they weren't fruiting.


I think the lynch should be among those people.

In my preference, something like:

Neil > Math > Don > Ice > me !

But eh, I'll wait for Neil to respond to me before voting.

[Bins]

Caught up!

Don: I'm getting fairly good vibes from him, prob town.

Fitz: He's doing enough to be considered a light town read, nothing more.

Siv: Some of his posts weren't the greatest, but I liked the math exchange. Really think he's town at this point.

Former: Pretty much just null.

Math: Superconfscum

Bins: Prob the second scum, not liking her posts. Doesn't seem like she wants to take a stance on stuff.

Ice: Maaaybe town. Some stuff of his seemed town.

Aronis' reads.
He didn't have any of Neil.

[Bins]

I ain't even mad if we mislynch.-

You do realize at this point, that's not an option? If Aronis is town, he'll be modkilled for spamming and playing against his win condition. Especially after the hammer vote. He is definitely scum, there's no doubt about it.

P.Edit: Nice try implementing me Aronis. It's definitely believable. We're lynching me promptly tomorrow.

Isnt my alignment really obv? Like I was gonna die anyways. Just wanted a few fireworks before I did.

And you should think about who gets towncred from this, bc I really dont want him to win.

Ice is who he's talking about here. I have no idea how to take this.


It's very possible they threw Aronis under the bus to almost confirm Ice as town (in one way or another). That'd be a very good play. That's why I don't think Ice should live to the end. (sry sry if town)

[Bins]

why did you put yourself on the list

i like that don and ice are in there too

we're all the people that passed
lynch from us today

pass fruit tmmr
confirm everyone else as town

[Bins]

Therefore, purely because of setup, I don't think IceGuy and DJ should be anywhere near endgame.

Are you seriously saying the person closest to confirmed town should not be near endgame?

I don't like how you're saying you're close to confirm town.

Especially with the scenario that makes you scum.

[Bins]

Math passing you last night doesn't mean anything at all.

And I addressed the Ice situation. I do know how Ice could possibly be scum and I mentioned it.


btw Ice was the one that deemed himself as conf town.

[Bins]

Therefore, purely because of setup, I don't think IceGuy and DJ should be anywhere near endgame.

Are you seriously saying the person closest to confirmed town should not be near endgame?

Unless I misread this and he was actually talking about DJ. then idk.

[Bins]

I think we both worded things a little weird.

Bins, math might be scum, but he passed to me last night.

This made me feel as if you were townreading math based on the fact he based fruit to you, based on the "but."

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I didn't take it personally at all. Maybe the "you have stuff to learn" type comment, mostly because I had already addressed the situation here:

It's very possible they threw Aronis under the bus to almost confirm Ice as town (in one way or another). That'd be a very good play. That's why I don't think Ice should live to the end. (sry sry if town)

and you were acting like I had missed that so I was just clarifying that I hadn't. I was also just confirming my agreement with your statemtn.

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I hate people who deem themselves confirmed town.

Vote DJ

I thought this meant you were saying that DJ had said that. My bad.

[Bins]

*passed, not based

sorry I'm very tired

[Bins]

Would you say you get mislynched as town a lot?

What is the point of this question?

whoops sorry I just forgot to address it


neil said he was eh at town (like 5/10) or something. he also mentioned that I may just have a problem with his playstyle. i think that might actually be true, but i'm not convinced yet. if he gets mislynched a lot as town, i may consider meta-ing him but i'm lazy otherwise lol.

[Bins]

[quote="In post 886, Formerfish"
Ok, you seem to take a lot of comments

not meant towards you specifically very personally

. Why are you so quick to jump to this statement?
[/quote]

it's also kind of funny that you say this when you started off that point with this :

One thing you have to learn about this game

is that you never put anything past scum.

[Bins]

whoops

**

Ok, you seem to take a lot of comments

not meant towards you specifically very personally

. Why are you so quick to jump to this statement?

it's also kind of funny that you say this when you started off that point with this :

One thing you have to learn about this game

is that you never put anything past scum.

[Bins]

Former could do what Neil did and pass to one of the passers.

[Bins]

I'm starting to wonder if you even read the game.

[Bins]

My votes on Siv were "sheeps" (if you say) onto the growing wagon were EVERYONE thought Siv was scum.

Then I voted Ice first out of everyone.

Then I voted Siv cause you told me to. Should I not trust you?

Those are the only votes I've actually made this game. I have no idea what you're going on about.

[Bins]

I want to hear what Ice was going to say about Neil.

[Bins]

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person? And i don't care if it the last thing that I would expect anyone to do, you know why? Because that is exactly what I would do as scum. Spread the most fog possible. Create the most doubt in the most obvious way to hide what was really going on. I have put thought into it, and the little ad hom comment is fucking noted.

hey siv did it

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Therefore, purely because of setup, I don't think IceGuy and DJ should be anywhere near endgame.

Are you seriously saying the person closest to confirmed town should not be near endgame?

I don't like this comment here from Ice.

It backs up what DJ is saying.

[Bins]

I want this Neil case from Ice.

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What interaction did they have?

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Aronis forgot to mention Neil in his reads list as well.

Like.

So.

Did they even interact?

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VOTE: ice

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Because I think he's scum more than I think DJ is. It's been explained.

It might change when he comes back.

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Aronis actually marked Ice on his reads list as nulltown, while he forgot Neil and Bulge who had done more than Ice.

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There's no reason to throw Aronis under the bus like that unless to conftown Ice. And that seems like that was their plan, as Ice even said himself he's conftown.

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Plus, I scumread the guy from the moment he joined.

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Killing DJ doesn't make sense. The fact they killed his partner doesn't make him more scummy. This, as well, has already been discussed.

[Bins]

ppl buss

Yeah but not with a post like this: (Bolded for Emphasis)

I ain't even mad if we mislynch.-

You do realize at this point, that's not an option? If Aronis is town, he'll be modkilled for spamming and playing against his win condition. Especially after the hammer vote. He is definitely scum, there's no doubt about it.

P.Edit: Nice try implementing me Aronis. It's definitely believable. We're lynching me promptly tomorrow.

Isnt my alignment really obv? Like I was gonna die anyways. Just wanted a few fireworks before I did.

And you should think about who gets towncred from this, bc I really dont want him to win.

You never know.


Tell you what, since im about to die. Ill give reads, but only if you will you sheep them.

This WIFOM here is all about Ice. I'd rather have that WIFOM gone.

[Bins]

Yeah, I'll probably want DJ gone if Ice happens to flip town.

[Bins]

Shit, actually, I think Fitz is right.

We should stick to lynching the people w/ no fruit.

[Bins]

That's upsetting.

If there's no kill or Ice's partner dies, Ice should die. No questions.


But it's back between the four again. Welp.

[Bins]

Not Neil?

[Bins]

Yeah, sorry, I was waiting for the schedule.

VOTE: DJ

[Bins]

I received fruit but like duh

[Bins]

Not killing was the best move by scum

Must think

[Bins]

VOTE: ice

Done thinking


I want talky talk ice man
About why Neil
Or if that's changed

[Bins]

No one should have fruit.

[Bins]

I mean no one should have fruit left.

[Bins]

tl;dr lynch ice

bins is town
havingfitz, math (due to aronis interactions) and xay should be town
ice has too much wifom for me to deal with
neil sounds scummy but if you read his posts like 8 times it goes away eventually
i have to completely relook at formerfish tho

[Bins]

yayay post 1000

[Bins]

tbh im too lazy to relook at ff unless ice flips town

jadsnkcxxs

[Bins]

Caught up!

Don: I'm getting fairly good vibes from him, prob town.

Fitz: He's doing enough to be considered a light town read, nothing more.

Siv: Some of his posts weren't the greatest, but I liked the math exchange. Really think he's town at this point.

Former: Pretty much just null.

Math: Superconfscum

Bins: Prob the second scum, not liking her posts. Doesn't seem like she wants to take a stance on stuff.

Ice: Maaaybe town. Some stuff of his seemed town.

i think these are the most suspicious reads and i don't think the people he left out are scum (mebe but eh)

it should be ice today to rid wifom
then FF

[Bins]

there's more I'm just too lazy and I find it unnecessary atm

Ice tho?

[Bins]

Cool



(Haahaha)

[Bins]

you know it's bad when im ok with this ^

[Bins]

He's pulling an Aronis -- must be scum.

[Bins]

Well, I'm sad.

[Bins]

AM I STILL ALIVE BECAUSE MY READS ARE BAD

[Bins]

Actually, yeah, I hope this doesn't shoot me in the foot but I don't really want to lynch FF. Aronis knows better than to just nullread his buddy.

[Bins]

uhm

[Bins]

Nope. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, I think it's down between Neil and Edgeworth.

... where is Neil?

[Bins]

yolo

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I don't think anyone was afraid of Fitz. It's more that every single other person had someone suspecting them and Xay had done less than Fitz.

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right, this is really piss-boring.

Vote: Aronis

You're an idiot and you're scum, shut it.

What about this?

[Bins]

It's interesting you bring that up though, because the one person that definitely shouldn't be afraid of Fitz is you.

[Bins]

You don't like the idea of gathering your thoughts into one post, instead of 3 equally irrelevant posts?

No, I'm realizing that I always have the highest post count in my games and this is probably why.

I don't think anyone was afraid of Fitz. It's more that every single other person had someone suspecting them and Xay had done less than Fitz.

You think Fitz was cleared? I disagree, in my notes Fitz wasn't cleared by any measures.

I think Fitz was definitely the towniest of us all.

TSO has bussed before, and I'm sure would buss again. What makes this buss more a town-motivated push than a scum-motivated buss?

I'm not sure. It was more the jump off of the vote that bugs me...

Why wouldn't I be afraid of Fitz? When I replaced in, he pushed my lynch. It wasn't until I started actually being town, that he loosened his grips. By no means, is there any proof that I was confirmed town (or even close to it) in his postings. In fact, going through his ISO, he still had somewhat of suspicions before he died of me. So you're not only mis-representing Fitz, but you've got to be doing it purposefully to try and make me look bad. Why would you lie? You can't look at his ISO, even quickly, and come out with that conclusion? Explain to me, what town-motivation is there to lie and try and frame someone to look worse than they are, when the evidence clearly does not support you?

Fitz said you slot was likely not scum because of Hayato v. Aronis in the beginning. He didn't think you were scum before you died.

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I don't think so. Aronis and Hyato went at each quite a bit D1 when it wasn't necessary.

With only one partner I think bussing is less likely.

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*before he died.

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Okay, he denied the fact that you were most likely scum.

And that was when he didn't know that Aronis was scum. HE READS CHANGED, DUDE. The townread on you was based on context.
I honestly don't know how to feel about arguing the fact that someone was townreading you, but it feels silly.

[Bins]

Okay, he denied the fact that you were most likely scum.

And that was when he didn't know that Aronis was scum. HE READS CHANGED, DUDE. The townread on you was based on context.
I honestly don't know how to feel about arguing the fact that someone was townreading you, but it feels silly.

Don't misrep our argument as well. It's not the fact that Fitz town read or did not town read me. It's the fact that you claimed Fitz town read me so obviously, that I had "nothing to worry about" with him coming after me. That's a bold statement, especially in lieu of my idea concerning looking at Fitz's ISO to find out why he died... You tried to frame me, and accuse me, of something that is not true, that you stretched to try and make some type of case on. The only reason I'm not voting you, is that I could be over-reacting because you didn't actually place a vote on me, which makes no sense if you were trying to get me lynched. Then again, you do seem very set on voting where others vote, not necessarily where your case (or lack of) leads you...

Which makes me wonder, if others had jumped on me, if you would have? And if you would have, like I think you would have, if it's a town or scum tell. I'm thinking the latter, currently.

I'm finding you very hard to follow, but no, compared to other people, I think Havingfitz was not suspicious of you.

[Bins]

dat AtE tho

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man i am so paranoid this game