Large Normal 203 | Scale of the Universe - Finally Over

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to open with a bit of theory discussion. My thoughts on Plurality lynching are as follows:
We don't have to worry about deadline lynching, so I foresee some crazy voting scrambles in the future. I feel like it's imperative to get a wagon on scum today to do some VCA in the lategame. If we can catch a scum trying to abort a bus that would be fantastic.
On to RVS.
VOTE: Mislynch
Their username is fearmongering.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Fun-fact: This isn't a random vote.

Oh really? What do you scumread in my theory post then?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Fun-fact: This isn't a random vote.

Oh really? What do you scumread in my theory post then?

I'm trying to unpack my thoughts about the game's mechanics, and you call it fluff. I think you're trying to discredit me since you are scum and you don't want my ideas helping town catch you and your buddies.
VOTE: TheYankeeReaper

[Gamma Emerald]

Your setup spec is useless fluff but not AI fluff. I played with Gamma once before and this is something he would do as any alignment. Not a bad D1 PL though.

You barely played that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

You're clearly blind as well as a liar! TAKE THIS HEATHEN TO THE BRIG.

Infinite Power Vote: PeregrineV

Hah! With your advanced tech you failed to realize capital letters are not bolded letters?

Vote Block: CptPicard

Power Chop Vote: CptPicard

Double Overhand Power Slam Vote: CptPicard

One moment plox

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma

Serious vote. Payback mf'er. Plus I literally am always wrong about your alignment in every game. Need you get rid of you asap. Liability in lylo

What payback?

[Gamma Emerald]

Flying Headbutt Tywin Lannister
Crippling Crossface Tywin Lannister

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Fun-fact: This isn't a random vote.

Oh really? What do you scumread in my theory post then?

I'm trying to unpack my thoughts about the game's mechanics, and you call it fluff. I think you're trying to discredit me since you are scum and you don't want my ideas helping town catch you and your buddies.
VOTE: TheYankeeReaper

I would never discredit the obvious itinerary for every good lil townie (i.e voting scum and seeing how they wagon)

I just discredit posters who state said obvious itineraries (i.e fluff posts). Sometimes, and this is just me thinking aloud, it's by scum in effort to appear townie.

Well, I figured a debriefing would help Town. And why not discuss it in my scumchat if I were scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Fun-fact: This isn't a random vote.

Oh really? What do you scumread in my theory post then?

I'm trying to unpack my thoughts about the game's mechanics, and you call it fluff. I think you're trying to discredit me since you are scum and you don't want my ideas helping town catch you and your buddies.
VOTE: TheYankeeReaper

I would never discredit the obvious itinerary for every good lil townie (i.e voting scum and seeing how they wagon)

I just discredit posters who state said obvious itineraries (i.e fluff posts). Sometimes, and this is just me thinking aloud, it's by scum in effort to appear townie.

Well, I figured a debriefing would help Town.

And why not discuss it in my scumchat if I were scum?

I'm a little confused at your second statement, can you please clarify? Why would posting this "debriefing" in scumchat, exclude you from posting it in town?

Also, after responding with my line of reasoning (your omgus vote was before I gave it) do you still think my stance is mafia trying to discredit you?

You said it was warning off the scum from taking certain actions (or that was someone else). If I'm scum and that's the case, then obviously it's more advantageous to keep it in scumchat, since then town would not have as much preparedness regarding the plurality lynches. Basically what I did would be poor move information-wise if I were scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: YankeeReaper
Still not a huge fan but I feel his actions so far are definitely not the scummiest

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say RhazhBash and Slingshot are the scummiest people I see so far.
VOTE: SlingshotWaffles

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI I voted Sling since my reason for SRing Rhazh isn't 100% a solid tell

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI I voted Sling since my reason for SRing Rhazh isn't 100% a solid tell

And reasons for both?
Did I just miss them?

Also @dunn reason?

For Rhazh the issue is suggesting the PL on me. Titus taught me that suggesting a PL is a tactic scum use at times. As for you, you said I was "scum confirmed" and yet didn't vote, like you didn't want to be on my wagon knowing I would flip Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol @ learning lessons from Titus

It's not a hard tell though: the game she presented it in, it fell flat.
@Sling, I'm still distrusting of you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to open with a bit of theory discussion.

one scum down.

vote gamma

Zzzzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: RhazhBash
That attempt to retract the idea reads scummiest than the initial idea tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

not really feeling good about rhazh

and I also don't like gamma's omgus vote on reaper and made it worse by unvoting it

Can you explain statement 1?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah
TBH we REALLY shouldn't be making statements like that <24 hours into D1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh
I noticed everyone has already posted
I foresee this being a very active game.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Tywin
Nice job subtly planting my PL in there

[Gamma Emerald]

I also don't like how policy lynching Gamma is the answer to find scum. This makes me think you're scum trying to lynch someone you know as town.

Would you rather keep him alive in LyLo?

Excuse me? Explain this NOW.

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I expect to not have WiFi for about a week. This might cause issues if I hit my data limit. So

V/LA until further notice

[Gamma Emerald]

I've never been a PL
And I think Rhazh is referring to Mini 1830 there
I'm not a hopeless case in LyLo, I've been right a few times, at least partially
I didn't even know it was LyLo that game

[Gamma Emerald]

I've only been lynched in 2 LyLos so far
1 I wasn't trying hard enough, one I couldn't effectively defend in

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and IDK how to multipost can someone tell me later on
and what does PL mean? Power lynch or policy lynch or neither

PL = policy lynch
You multiquote by using the Q+ button by the quote button. Once you are done you can hit the quote button on the last post you wish to quote or Q+ that and hit preview, and it will put all your quotes in the reply box

[Gamma Emerald]

What bothers me about DrumBeats is the way that he is pushing a narrative where his scumread on RhazBash is meaningful rather than genuinely digging into the content, analyzing the reasoning behind it and providing his own as to why that reasoning comes from scum. His approach is rhetorical, and he conflates largley null behavior into something damning.

His point about scum adapting for the type of scumhunting in thread is simplistic and shallow, scum will already analyze their own behavior with greater foresight and worry than town. The act of aborting a bus is very basic. Gamma's mention of it is too broad to be effective. Reminding people that an established wagon manipulation technique exists on page 1 is not going to meaningfully affect whether that technique is used in a specific instance during the game.

There is also the way that he positioned his vote on Gamma as if he knew it was coming off before long. I get the feeling that he wants to

seem to be

engaging directly and actively with content in a thoughtful way, and is taking this as a rhetorical position, rather than truly engaging with the content. The way that he continued to argue his position as he unvoted Gamma to vote RhazBash suggests to me that he does not truly feel conviction in his reads, but merely argues for their validity and postures around them.

I think that RhazBash's premature position on today's wagons feels like a genuine attempt to scumhunt that came off as surface scummy. I read the translation of that post as "there is scum in one of those that we should lynch". DrumBeats' attempt to pin it as having malicious intent is disingenuous. It is

possible

from that post that RhazBash is scum who knows that all of the early pushers of Gamma's wagon are town, but it is

equally possible

that he is simply scumhunting, therefore the post is null without greater context. DrumBeats argument is slightly more than just that RhazBash is informed, however. He argues that RhazBash is lining up lynches and putting on an act to shed responsibility. This is very stretchy. Following this, he argues that RhazBash's position that wagons should be broken down is suspicious and comes from an informed perspective. He is again attempting to twist fairly null content into scum content by drawing a narrative where that is already the case.

I don't think his reasons for voting Gamma or RhazBash have any merit and his attempts to make those reasons persuasive feels like sophistry. It's still possible that this content is coming from a reckless, overzealous townie with poor reasoning, but for now I have a scumlean on DrumBeats.

Too early in the game and too late at night for wall posts

[Gamma Emerald]

*checks in*

*sees we're still in the "make wild guesses at scum based on tiny sample size" stage*

*returns to slumber*

hard evidence isn't a wild guess bud

Breaking down wagons helps us more in the long game.

Missed this one, but breaking down wagons only helps after we see the result of the lynch. You are breaking down a wagon before it flips, making it highly suspect that you already know the result of it.

^^
atm Rhaz is my biggest SR

you don't have to have a flip to analyse the wagon. You only need to have a decent amount of people on the wagon (~20% of the playerlist). Otherwise you'd be plumb out of luck until you land on scum.

You are from the mastina school of VCA. I come from the Titus school, where it is used late game to draw conclusions on who is likely scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

feel free to sheep once you see the light.

Can we trust you though?

would you trust gandhi with watering your plants?

What kind of question is this

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'd love to know how I looked Town here

[Gamma Emerald]

You don't

Exactly
Why does Tywin think so

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you have to know by now why everyone would rather PL you than fail to sort you You aren't blind. You can't legit pretend to think others should just leave you around forever to not be NK'd by scum, because you refuse to ever play like you're town. A cop could check you,but that's a waste imo. Either you get copped or PL' d with how you play, because it's annoying at this point. You know what you do too.

I try to be protown I don't know why everyone dislikes me whaaa

[Gamma Emerald]

As scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team.

The way you say this sounds weird

Nice shade. Explain the way the words on your screen 'sound' to you.

Ew, nice discredit, using the word screen to devalue something "sounding" bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma saying 'tone' too, as if you read words exactly as they were written, regardless of your background, accent, ethnicity, or ability at discerning these things from written words. Must be a superpower you guys have.

Truth is, tone is a bullshit excuse to say anything. If it's a gut read, say gut read. And you'd be wrong, so try other methods.

Tone is trying to gauge the mood of a post, seeing if it is genuine or scum faking it
This one obv has an angry tone

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm voting mislynch and sticking to it. He's scum. Zach and Dunn pushing back gives me more than enough associatives, while everyone hopping on gamma or raizh shows maybe they are town. Idk, and gamma I'd PL since apparently scum never find him worth saving when he is on their team, but mislynch posted scummy shot and gets defended by other players? Nope, that's not town.

Scum never find me worth saving when I'm on their team? What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Smh reading comprehension is so bad.

I said scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team (town obviously). Where is this multiball slip you read? I didn't have any idea about that, and never thought it, but since you did... You just slipped lol!

No I felt the same way she did about that post but also thought you meant what you are saying it means
But calling that a slip is poor

[Gamma Emerald]

You can ragespam the thread all you want to try to cover your slip, Tywin, it will not prevent your lynch. You didn't just slip multiball. You slipped, very specifically,

two teams

, with yourself being on one of them.

I love how you saw other team and immediately assumed that he was talking about multiple scum teams. Bit of a freudian slip yourself there mate.
VOTE: priscila

Bad post

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma: don't worry, I'm not actually PLing you, because you have too many votes to be scum. Not that this same thought hasn't fucked me over elsewhere when you were scum though. Since I can't figure you out, I'm moving on, but damn do I want to PL you sometimes.

Priscilla: good try. You were thinking mumtiball to have come to that conclusion, and imo, only scum would've even thought about that here. This isn't that large of a game.

OK can you not talk about that right now
It's not like you have to wait long

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma: don't worry, I'm not actually PLing you, because you have too many votes to be scum. Not that this same thought hasn't fucked me over elsewhere when you were scum though. Since I can't figure you out, I'm moving on, but damn do I want to PL you sometimes.

Priscilla: good try. You were thinking mumtiball to have come to that conclusion, and imo, only scum would've even thought about that here. This isn't that large of a game.

I've seen multiball games this small.

8p multiball
Get on my level scrubs

[Gamma Emerald]

Nosferatu is scum this game

Ya boi
Like, Dunnstral is hella town rn and I wish he would townread me too so we could work together

[Gamma Emerald]

I play off site a lot and always forget how to vote here.

VOTE: Tywin

Where do you play

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nosferatu
Don't know where Tywin is at for votes so I'll vote this for the time being

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Tywin

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW that's L-3

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait what

[Gamma Emerald]

WTF
That claim is absolutely ridiculous. If someone has a non standard role step forward since that's not normal I'm certain.
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Where the fuck did you soft

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Tywin, fuck you for trying to make me a universal policy lynch. I'm close to declaring "avoid" on you since I don't want to play with someone who would aim to terminate my game early.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, all you do is anti town things. Always. But fine, my bad. Everyone else that's tried to PL you, I suppose theyre good. I was kidding about actually PLing you, but you know how anti town you are in every game. I know you recognize it, so if thats to build a meta for when you're scum, it means as a universal play, town should always lynch you based on your meta. You throw town games on purpose just to pretend you're town when you roll scum too imo,but hey, what do I know. I just joke about your PL while others seem to take it seriously. Maybe you should wonder why? Just a heads up man. You changed your play style to be as scummy as possible and it's not good.

Just think about it gamma. Whatever you changed in your meta isn't really good if you're town. Don't throw games only to have better chances at scum.

@mulch: how is it not a slip? She said I mentioned multiball when I was clearly referencing town in the hypothetical of me being scum (with gamma as town). Her thinking that in the context she did means she looked for it. Pretty obvious. Stop defending her. Let her defend herself. You're white knighting. Dunn did it for her too.

Ive never dumbed down my town game to make my scum game look better, EVER.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'm undecided on the claim. It looks stupid, but it doesn't seem like a fakeclaim.
Can someone tell me if Creature has any Normals Themes or Micros modded?

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked up Creature's MD and modding history and the role would make sense, thing is, Tywin has been extremely scummy. Last time he was a cop he was rather passable as Town, enough so that he got nightkilled before he could claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a Town One-Guilty Cop.

I may target one player per night phase. I receive one of these results: Innocent, Guilty or No result. If i receive a Guilty result, i can't use the ability again.

If you were telling the truth, you should be modkilled right now. So I don't buy it.

Don't:

• Don't discuss ongoing games.
  
• Don't copy, quote or screenshot your role PM
  , mod communications or anything that isn't public.

What
How is that word for word the role

[Gamma Emerald]

Just finished Page 7

I mean there's been nothing scummier FMPOV than waffles lack of voting on Gemma.

PVs and Cpt back and forth lulz fest was lame but not really scummy.

I don't think RHAZ is scummy hence my "anti-nom post"

I still wanna lynch gamma,but it is a PL more than a full SR. There are legit game winning reasons for it.

As scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team. As town, I want him dead asap to not screw us over with his always scummy play.

It may work for him as scum (because he's scummy literally all the time for every alignment), but I certainly hope I never see him in lylo. It's just bad for town all the way around. I've seen it.

I find it odd that your behavior doesn't match up with the underlined portion. You say that town you would want the Gamma PL, but you are voting for Mislynch (at least at this time).

Gamma you have to know by now why

everyone would rather PL you than fail to sort you

You aren't blind. You can't legit pretend to think others should just leave you around forever to not be NK'd by scum, because you refuse to ever play like you're town.

A cop could check you,but that's a waste imo

. Either you get copped or PL' d with how you play, because it's annoying at this point. You know what you do too.

I don't know Gamma's meta, but if Gamma really is so hard to peg, why would a cop check on him ever be a waste? If Gamma is half the LYLO liability you say he is, he would be a great early game cop check imo.

Yeah I'm not lynching someone without a SR so we dont lynch them hypothetically in a future scenario

Policy lynches are cancer

Fully agree with the second part, but what does SR mean?

You don't

Exactly
Why does Tywin think so

^^ This is a townie tone

That's a good catch. I'm definitely lightening up a bit on Gamma rn.

OH NICE CATCH
Tywin why so up in arms about me if you are a cop? You can just investigate me!

[Gamma Emerald]

Even without the claim the way Tywin presented it is 100% Town who's pissed off about being scumread. His claim was premature since there's no way we're going to hammer him now and the lynch isn't anywhere near decided, but he's out of the pool for today.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Gutread.

Ew Dunnstral is obvtown

[Gamma Emerald]

Even without the claim the way Tywin presented it is 100% Town who's pissed off about being scumread. His claim was premature since there's no way we're going to hammer him now and the lynch isn't anywhere near decided, but he's out of the pool for today.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Gutread.

Ew Dunnstral is obvtown

How so?

None of his pushes look fake, his reads are clear and well reasoned, and I find myself agreeing with him on many things

[Gamma Emerald]

WTF
That claim is absolutely ridiculous. If someone has a non standard role step forward since that's not normal I'm certain.
UNVOTE:

A large normal can have two non normal roles not just one

Oh lol
This is my first Large Normal since my return to the site and the first one where a grey list role exists (for the sake of argument)
Still want to know why Tywin was up in arms about me being terrible and all that when he could just cop me

[Gamma Emerald]

My V/LA will end on Tuesday: the new apartment gets WiFi then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't mind me if I post less for a while, I want to just observe for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked up Creature's MD and modding history and the role would make sense, thing is, Tywin has been extremely scummy. Last time he was a cop he was rather passable as Town, enough so that he got nightkilled before he could claim.

Two things:

1. I didnt copy/paste my role. I paraphrased. So CptPicard: Absolutely ridiculous and classless to push for a modkill. This is how people end up hating each other and becoming toxic anytime they land in games together. Classless moves like that. You should be ashamed. Get your scum win the legitimate way, or replace out.

2. Gamma, you're scum here. The one completed cop game I have had was so long ago that idk what to say. I also wasn't lolwagoned by everyone that game on D1 either. So I didn6 need to claim. Tbh, I had checked you, because you looked so scummy it was insane. You've kept up that meta I see.

As for that game, I caught Grey!scum D1 with my normal reads. I got him lynched, and scum shot me N2 for it. Never had a wagon, because people didnt try to quicklynch Town PRs. People pay attention in smaller games.

Gamma is hoping I say something stupid beyond this, but I won't bother to elaborate. I will just

VOTE: Gamma

Trust me, he's scum. He is this obvious, which is why he builds his town meta to be as scummy as possible. It's his only way to win as scum. He rolled scum here. I just know. Watch and see.

Well you were wagoned because you are really scummy this game. What caused the difference? Sure I had a difference in gameplay from my first to second cop game, but not as wild as yours seems to be.
Also I was thinking of what mafia benefits arise from that role and here's what I thought of. They can claim innocents on their scumbuddies, guilty a town, and generally derail the town.
And I still want an explanation as to

why you were so obsessed with me being anti Town when you could check me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also would be more than ok to lynch CptPicard. His hoping for a modkill while not wanting to actually lynch me is scum motivation. That's not coming from a townie. It just isn't. He didnt care to even wait for a CC before trying to shade me, and him HOPING for a modkill, but being too afraid to actually lynch me shows everything you need to see. He's scum.

Waffles I'd also lynch. Priscilla may just be town that asks a billion questions, points things out, then does those exact same things herself without even realizing. I think scum Priscla would know better, since they aren't dumb. Waffles, on the other hand, has done nothing but hop on other people's pushes, throws out some buzzwords he doesnt understand, and didnt care to think about what he's doing. Actually, maybe he is town for this. I'm not sure.

Gamma/CptPicard/Wraith are my scum reads at this point.

Nope. I played with someone who baited a modkill as Town. The guy got lynched soon after.

[Gamma Emerald]

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

[Gamma Emerald]

That works but just try to break it into paragraphs please

[Gamma Emerald]

And I still want an explanation as to why you were so obsessed with me being anti Town when you could check me.

I'm not sure you know what the point of a policy lynch is.

He was joking about the PL, but he was still raving about me being impossible to sort so I want that explained.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where is Brian

[Gamma Emerald]

Can confirm as well btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I think he's new

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma:

I looked up Creature's MD and modding history and the role would make sense, thing is, Tywin has been extremely scummy.

Why do you think the role would make sense? What did you find in the history?

He created a setup involving Godfathers and Millers in OSD so it could happen
But it's also a great mafia fakeclaim IMO

[Gamma Emerald]

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION OR GET LYNCHED

[Gamma Emerald]

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

Lynch this please.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAFFASGAGDFGF
Can you believe this? This guy is painting my complaint about hard to read posts as scummy. That's the most NAI bullshit ever!

[Gamma Emerald]

The question doesn't have to do with the PL. Why were you saying I was unreadable WHEN YOU HAVE A COP ROLE? What sense does it make to bitch about something like that when you have the means to make it a non-issue????????

[Gamma Emerald]

OH REALLY WHEN DID YOU DECIDE I WAS OBVSCUM? NOT BEFORE YOU SAID I WAS UNREADABLE! THIS IS REVISIONIST HISTORY BULLSHIT.

[Gamma Emerald]

I TR Dunnstral, SR Nosferatu
Scumhunted several slots
I feel your play does not align with your claim
Nos could be your buddy, IDC about that right now, I want to determine your alignment first

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin and Gamma, I think that you may be tunneled on each other here.

I have mozamis as a scumlean, but I am not townreading Zach or DrumBeats, talk to me about those reads Tywin?

I am not tunneled. If he answers my question with a good answer I'll back off.

[Gamma Emerald]

I TR Dunnstral, SR Nosferatu
Scumhunted several slots
I feel your play does not align with your claim
Nos could be your buddy, IDC about that right now, I want to determine your alignment first

Her claimed the nerfed cop right?

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

TBH I do at least appreciate the questions by Tywin. I feel it indicates actual effort to sort me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably going to not be posting from Sunday to Tuesday, low on data

[Gamma Emerald]

Slingshot if you do what I think you are doing I

will

PL you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you may be stating something you believe about his role that could get him killed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Inb4 Tywin accuses me of knowing he's Town when I was just thinking about the possibility he is

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mozamis:

Spoiler:

PL on gamma doesn't sound too bad actually.

VOTE: Gamma

opportunistic scum.

vote RhazhBash

Why do you think that is opportunistic scum?

@Gamma:

Spoiler:

You can ragespam the thread all you want to try to cover your slip, Tywin, it will not prevent your lynch. You didn't just slip multiball. You slipped, very specifically,

two teams

, with yourself being on one of them.

I love how you saw other team and immediately assumed that he was talking about multiple scum teams. Bit of a freudian slip yourself there mate.
VOTE: priscila

Bad post

Why do you think it's a bad post?

@Zach:

Spoiler:

I was interested in having Gamma/Tywin as CWs

Counter wagon to what? Why are you interested in this?

I think it's bad because it uses backwards AF logic on something that makes total sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

TBH I do at least appreciate the questions by Tywin. I feel it indicates actual effort to sort me.

Tbh, I really do think you're lockscum, but there's always a chance I'm wrong. I'm arrogant and stubborn, but not stupid.

So walk me through your mindset this game gamma. A few things stood out and pinged me hard. Tell me what you were thinking.

1. When you saw I was a wagon, a big one, with no real counter, why did you naked vote and hop on?

2. After I was forced to claim, what were you thinking there? Without a cc, how was a cop claim so hard to believe? Why continue to shade me?

3. Your line of questioning really stood out to me as a way to get me modkilled by having me say something I can't. You continued to push that issue even when I explained my last completed cop game and how different the entire scenario was. There was nothing really similar here, so the line of questions seemed off regarding that alone. Other issues made me double take and wonder what you were attempting to pull here. It was the same as CptPicard really, just a different subject.

4. You haven't really looked at anyone else. Normally, I think Town!Gamma would see the claim, back off, and look elsewhere. You didn't and haven't. Why?

1) It was early so no new wagon could really form.
2) I was like "This guy has still been a total scum lord so I really don't think letting this go is a good idea"
3) I wasn't ever intentionally trying to get you modkilled. Could you explain how you think that?
4) I've looked at Nosferatu for his terrible pushes (which is not an associative with you but nice hand tip friendo)

[Gamma Emerald]

I TR Dunnstral, SR Nosferatu
Scumhunted several slots
I feel your play does not align with your claim
Nos could be your buddy, IDC about that right now, I want to determine your alignment first

Who did you scum hunt? Which slots?

Why is Dunn a TR? Why is Nos a SR? Why is a no CC cop claim a SR?

If he was my buddy, then that means id have to be scum. Kinda obvious, so what's this 'have to determine your alignment first' sentence doing at the end?

It doesn't go both ways. He's not my scum buddy if I'm town. Actually, even if I was scum, that doesn't make him my scum buddy. All he did was sort of defend me.

I was getting quick lynched and put on L3 with no counter wagon. I was forced to claim. You think that's a town wagon on scum? Really?

Tell me your thought process here gamma.

I scumhunted Yankee, Slingshot, Rhazh, and maybe some others.
I agree with Dunnstral on a lot of things and it feels like he's actively sorting
When I said that sentence, I meant I was more focused on determining your alignment. And Nosferatu is not associative as previously stated.
Your wagon could have scum on it and you could still be scum. Bussing happens for a reason.

Now please tell me why you would call me unreadable if you had the power to make that not-an-issue.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald

Tywin Lannister

Boonskiies

Mulch

TheYankeeReaper

SlingshotWaffles

RhazhBash
Priscila

Wraith

Why do you townread Boon
Why do you scumread Wraith
Why do you scumread Mulch

[Gamma Emerald]

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

Relatable, it's a pain to go through it.

Completely agree, but a give away town tell. Scum dont want to stick out like Priscilla is doing, they want to blend in.

I can get down with this

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll start by saying that I'm ignoring any post by Tywin. I doubt he's gonna analyze any further than OMGUS accusations.

Yeah
TBH I think until I get a few more reads I'll try to ignore him

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Moz

Take a shot whenever they call someone pos scum and finish your drink if I get called pos scum for this post.

I seriously doubt Moz as town would be making so many weak scumreads, and he would rather go for one or two solid reads. Having more weak reads seems like what scum would want so they know who they can push later.

I think it's more playstyle, just noting scummy things. Doesn't mean they SR them. People can townread players who make posts they see as scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Boonskiies' posting on page 29 feels scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

TFW you can't find any scumreads and only townread :/

And you said you had scumreads

[Gamma Emerald]

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

Relatable, it's a pain to go through it.

Completely agree, but a give away town tell. Scum dont want to stick out like Priscilla is doing, they want to blend in.

I can get down with this

itt only town can make big posts

Say what you fucking mean. Call me scum but don't dance around it.
Why are you scumreading me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you TL;DR your reasons for Drum!scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd be happy to lynch CptPIcard too. Like really happy. CptPicard would be a good lynch for D1.

WHY

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you quote where you scumread CptPicard please?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh btw Tywin
I'm giving you one more chance here:

Why did you complain about me being unreadable if you had the means to make it a non issue?

. I'm hoping you may have opened up a bit now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Drum!scum

Ryhming rocks.

Vote: Drumbeats

Ok actually fucking read. Do you scumread him?

[Gamma Emerald]

20 players eligible to vote, 11 votes to lynch.

4 votes for DrumBeats (Boonskiies, Tywin Lannister, Fykus, PeregrineV)
2 vote for Zachstralkita (Nero Cain, Priscila)
2 vote for mozamis (RhazhBash, SlingshotWaffles)
2 votes for Boonskiies (Zachstralkita, mozamis)
2 vote for RhazhBash (DrumBeats, Mulch)
1 votes for SlingshotWaffles (TheYankeeReaper)
1 votes for Fykus (CptPicard)
1 votes for CptPicard (WhyMafia)
1 votes for Mulch (Mislynch)
1 vote for Priscila (Nosferatu)
1 vote for Nosferatu (Dunnstral)



Not Voting (2): Wraith, Gamma Emerald

I wanted to update this to see it since I've recently been targetted.

@Peregrine - Please explain the reasoning.

He made a rhyme- Drum Scum.

But seriously, your posts strike of overanalysis (especially for day1) and questions for the sake of questioning, because I haven't checked back, but I'm going to guess a follow-through rate of less than 10%, and closer to zero.

But, on the plus side, I kind of don't want to lynch you today because if you are scum, I think you'll create more associative tells than your scummates.

So where does that leave me?

Okay thank you
Think that was actually the same reason Tywin gave. Am I correct in that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks. Still curious about why Tywin SRs CptPicard.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd be happy to lynch CptPIcard too. Like really happy. CptPicard would be a good lynch for D1.

WHY

Look at his ISO
and say that again

I did

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd be happy to lynch CptPIcard too. Like really happy. CptPicard would be a good lynch for D1.

WHY

Look at his ISO
and say that again

I did

You don't find anything wrong with someone advocating a modkill on a potential PR?

He wasn't advocating one
Was shitty he did what he did but I don't see scum motivation in it

[Gamma Emerald]

I know why

[Gamma Emerald]

10 posts in a row from gamma emerald, i can see why the policy lynch was popular

Only serious PL pusher was Rhazh, whose reasoning was fucking stupid

[Gamma Emerald]

i actually detected tywin crumbing cop before he outright claimed, not sure if i believe it tho..

pls explain then
Could you tell me why he was obsessing over me being unreadable too?

[Gamma Emerald]

TBH I like mush for town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait those two are the only broken ones?

So...you don't read my reads, is what you are saying.
[Facepalm]

Didn't click (all) links, compared thoughts with what I read and liked some of your trains of thought

When Dunn said mulchs links are broken I assumed he meant them all

Then gamma says I know why which makes it more enigmatic

Look at games we are both in

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL
I'd think I'm a prime bus given my recent scum performances

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I think I'll just sheep mush today
Will read over Picard myself though first

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah not thrilled with Picards ISO
VOTE: CptPicard

[Gamma Emerald]

@Tyein what scum game are you using for this "no logic" accusation

[Gamma Emerald]

CptPicard is the epitome of low-hanging fruit and I don't like mush's vote there at all. That is incredibly easy scumread to push as scum.

The modkill thing was awful, but I think this post redeems it:

So we can't use him not being modkilled anymore as an indicator of whether or not he is telling the truth. Dang, I thought I had him lol.

I get the feeling from this post that he genuinely felt he had nailed something.

Good point
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW Tywin I'm infp-t, the mediator
What are you?

[Gamma Emerald]

I can do a bigger catch up soon but I really don't like Mush and I really don't like Rhazh still

Nah
I can see where mush comes from so I feel he is town

[Gamma Emerald]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Gamma Emerald]

What's the VC at
because if Rhazh has a considerable wagon I'm voting him

[Gamma Emerald]

I know there is one but I want to know how big it is atm

[Gamma Emerald]

We're close to DL and I want to get a lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

WAIT
I JUST REMEMBERED PLURALITY
LEZGO
VOTE: rhazhbash[/b]

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: RhazhBash

[Gamma Emerald]

Where have I demonstrated I'm a bad player in other games?

[Gamma Emerald]

And hoooooooooooooooow were they bad?

[Gamma Emerald]

We're close to DL and I want to get a lynch

it's plurality lynch. No matter what, we get a lynch.

Read further

[Gamma Emerald]

i'd much rather not have Rhaz be toDay's lynch, though. Zach, Moz, or Drum would be preferable.

Zach: prob not
moz: hell no
Drum: maybe

[Gamma Emerald]

Zach: prob not

y not?

I kinda feel this is town him

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is mush scumread
His posts seem honest and I can see where his thoughts come from

[Gamma Emerald]

There are 2 things to read on Gamma: Authenticity and motivation. I think he severly lacks in the latter.

@Whymafia you do realize that was my first game on the site and I got scum lol

Motivation means what

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is mush being scumread
His posts seem honest and I can see where his thoughts come from

reposting and clarifiying

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL I wasn't asking permission
also tell me what was bad in 1830

[Gamma Emerald]

Deadline mattered since I thought it was majority
VC was because I wanted the wagon to be viable
Plurality meant it was just a matter of "will people go with it", which I feel is a "yes".

[Gamma Emerald]

As for why I say hell no to lynching mozamis, I think he is town since his thoughts seem to be coming from a town POV, and I can see where he comes from
That's prob the case for most of my TRs here

[Gamma Emerald]

20 players eligible to vote, 11 votes to lynch.

4 votes for RhazhBash (DrumBeats, Mulch, Gamma Emerald, mush)
4 votes for DrumBeats (Boonskiies, Fykus, PeregrineV, Priscila)
2 votes for CptPicard (WhyMafia, Tywin Lannister)
2 votes for mozamis (RhazhBash, SlingshotWaffles)
2 votes for Boonskiies (Zachstralkita, mozamis, Fro99er)
1 vote for Fykus (CptPicard)
1 vote for Zachstralkita (Nero Cain)
1 vote for SlingshotWaffles (TheYankeeReaper)
1 vote for Priscila (Nosferatu)
1 vote for Fro99er (Dunnstral)

Not Voting (0):

Modifying this since I think the lynch with plurality should be on top

[Gamma Emerald]

Did Nero roll scum again
I don't think I've EVER played with town!Nero

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I've played with when I was town but the game I'm thinking of was...awhile ago so your join date doesn't fit. Did you have an older account?

Nope no older account
The fact you haven't been Town AT ALL since I joined is funny

[Gamma Emerald]

Drum will you ever be caught up

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously
You're just going to ignore my input?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fro99er I like you and your reads, you can be Town

[Gamma Emerald]

Town: Fro99er, Zachstralkita, Dunnstral, mush, mozamis, CptPicard (I would scumread him but his "darn" reaction is generally one Town makes)
Scummy but claimed PR, also tired of fighting with him at this point: Tywin
Light scum: Nero, Priscila, Mulch, Boonskiies
Scum: Nosferatu, RhazhBash
These are all my reads I have so far

[Gamma Emerald]

Explain lynchbait and how the game State says innocent

His wagon comes to life despite no new developments from the slot. Scum needs a counter wagon to Drum.

DrumBeats is not the leading wagon! That is RhazhBash! Your case is unfounded.

[Gamma Emerald]

With the plurality mechanic, Drum still wouldn't need to be counterwagoned since Rhazh reached 4 votes first.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yet you said that scum

needed

a counterwagon! Do you stand by that still? Because with plurality on RhazhBash, by your reads, they would have a lynch on town already in place!

[Gamma Emerald]

Since we agree that in your opinion Rhazh is a sufficient counter wagon,

Why do you say Fro99er is making a counterwagon on Boon?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you post that then quote it instantly?

[Gamma Emerald]

And why wouldn't he push Rhazh? It makes no sense!
I think I'm good for gifs now

[Gamma Emerald]

Um, I'd expect one wagon since that would create more focus on one push resulting in more votes there

[Gamma Emerald]

Lolol

[Gamma Emerald]

Lolol

Gamma let's be masons

Yes please

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nero
You were Town in Smackdown dude

[Gamma Emerald]

Mulch had broken links?

[Gamma Emerald]

He replaced Mislynch

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL why can't we be scum together

[Gamma Emerald]

Now that you bring up meta I'm compelled to look over Boon here and in my own Cabd FE game

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL pls no
Have you read the whole thread?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you explain why on mozamis?

[Gamma Emerald]

Town boon where

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Tywni I think it's silly to ask what he think of me since we made a pseudomasonry

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, all this tells me is if I'm ever scum and youre town, I should buddy the living shit out of you. You'd TR me all game for it.

Shit I'd prefer that to our current interaction of "rageragerage".

[Gamma Emerald]

Pim replaced Yankee iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll town it up next day phase.

Can we get one of...

those things

...

[Gamma Emerald]

False Start!

[Gamma Emerald]

Then why didn't you note you were town in that game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Then why didn't you note you were town in that game?

I didn't remember you being in it.

I don't blame you. I SUUUUCKED that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pim replaced Yankee iirc

Damnit. Well he's still scum. Large game so it works

What's your pick for the scumteam rn

[Gamma Emerald]

When's the last time you've been right Day 1....?

I've had a few insane d1 guesses
my best remembered on is my first: Maxx/Cass in newbie 1739, which I replaced into, I turned this down later but having this is proof that I have good reads sometimes

[Gamma Emerald]

WhyMafia stop posting like that

[Gamma Emerald]

here

let's vote me because you're gonna let shitty tywin ruin the game

VOTE: Frog

Fuck no
get off yourself bro

[Gamma Emerald]

I've got more scum on D1 since I came back than I can count tbh. 80% of the time, I'm right all the time.

Hi let's talk about how great we were in games nobody cares about. Cuz that sure must mean Frogger isn't caught scum here, right? Oh, it's NAI? Interesting. So what about the questions I asked him? He didn't answer them you say? He went for insults instead you say? That IS AI. Scum tell on Frogger.

We can lynch him with confidence, but not until Cpt Picard.

Last time this was 60 now it's 80
Why did it change?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: whymafia

that posting style is anti-town

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys
Let's lynch Rhazh
Rhazh scum prob means mush scum

[Gamma Emerald]

its annoying and I want him to stop

vfemiowb[miiiiiiiiiiiigrjipoymhjyj;lkmd
Why did you fuck up plurality
scumfuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys
Let's lynch Rhazh
Rhazh scum prob means mush scum

??

You plurshifted
get your vote back on Rhazh now

[Gamma Emerald]

Fro99er pls vote Rhazh, if just for one post

[Gamma Emerald]

Boons reads make sense to me, he can be bumped up to nulltown

[Gamma Emerald]

Where
This actually feels like mozamis could be town here

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to open with a bit of theory discussion.

one scum down.

vote gamma

This is actually an okay vote. Compared to the other ones I'd seen this one shows clear principle (lynch setup speccers as they are likely scum)

yeah early 180 from me. I'm much prefering Gamma, who is questioning, explaining himself and seems quite open, to most of the people on his wagon, who don't seem any of those things.

BUt then his read evolves, and it isn't a "easy wagon" read, which I feel is towny for some reason

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Just annoys me

Nope, this isnt good enough, particularly from Dunn, who is a good player.
Pos.s cum.

While the read isn't that good I can see where he comes from. Dunnstral has enough experience with me to be able to sort me imo. This level of vote is rater poor.

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

Relatable, it's a pain to go through it.

Completely agree, but a give away town tell. Scum dont want to stick out like Priscilla is doing, they want to blend in.

Affirms the points discussed while being constructive.

I'm struggling on Waffles. He made that one self conscious post about being scummy. But apart from that I'm not really getting the waffle shate. Anyone got a decent case on him?

Feel scum would take a position rather than asking here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why isn't he a viable lynch? I'm generally curious as to what thoughts are behind this.

He's pretty lynchbaity as town and I've fallen into this trap many times

I believe he becomes more readable later in the game in general

Thoughts on Tywin? This goes to people who interacted with Tywin in someway. There's a reason I brought up Tywin here after Zach to you.

I really am just tired of him scumreading me at this point. I can just tell his read is shitty by how he presents it. However, since he does seem to be presenting a read he believes in I think he is town at this point. Also, I'm willing to handwave my concern over my unreadableness that he stated since it was where he softed cop so he obviously wasn't slipping not-cop there.

[Gamma Emerald]

He went from calling me probably town to naked voting me with his only reason being that I naked voted so he's probably scum I'd say

Also 1439 and 1440 look incredibly fake, why tip me off if you're town? Looks more like posturing and showing others you're doing something

Lol, you naked voted so I naked voted you back. Learn not to do scummy fucking shit like naked voting. Pretty simple.

Second, NO CC. Read it and weep scum.

Third, I can change my reads anytime I want. I'm not some shitter that keeps the same read all game. You do scummy shit and I'll SR you. Pretty simple. Act town and maybe I'll TR you.

Doesn't matter. I won't survive long, but I can see a bunch of people having no idea how to scum read people, no idea what is scummy and what isnt, no idea how to read anyone at all based on their meta... yeah, I have no faith in you guys. You'll lynch anyone decent and scum will NK the rest. Then the shitters will argue amongst themselves which one is scum, while leaving the actual scum to laugh at them. Par for the course.

Point is, the quality of players on MS dropped drastically over the years. Like really dropped. None of you even know what to define as scummy or not. It's really pathetic. Read the wiki and learn. There are guides for you guys out there. Good players wrote them years ago.

What I miss the most is the flash video that used to be up on the main page. When did they get rid of that? There was a flash tutorial too. It taught people how to play at least to a basic level. Nowadays, you're all from off-site, so bad habits galore.

LOL at you saying to use wiki tells: they are notorious for not working usually.
Some sites have good metas. I'd say mine does: play is very professional there, and the only rudeness I've ever really seen was not part of an argument but just some general town fervor imo, and the guy apologized later.

[Gamma Emerald]

TBH Tywin should prob check common townreads so we don't have a scum coast to the end
But I'll let him make the call on who he targets

[Gamma Emerald]

Quote the question please

[Gamma Emerald]

Because you said "only town can make big posts" in response to a small post by me

[Gamma Emerald]

Would love to see what has resonated with regards to Tywin's posts on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys
Let's lynch Rhazh
Rhazh scum prob means mush scum

??

I agree with this. Gamma's pre flip associatioon right here is really scummy.

FYI I don't think this anymore
He has shown it was a mistake

[Gamma Emerald]

@Fykus - There's something weird going on with you, Dunn, Tywin, and zach. Something just keeps me tying you guys together? I don't think you all are necessarily scum, so my mind went to potential neighborhood. I feel like it would have been outed by this time, though. Idk. Something's weird.

Pray for a Masonry.

with a cop claim? No way.

Masons with side roles are a thing
I played a game with Tywin that had a mason BG

[Gamma Emerald]

@Fykus - There's something weird going on with you, Dunn, Tywin, and zach. Something just keeps me tying you guys together? I don't think you all are necessarily scum, so my mind went to potential neighborhood. I feel like it would have been outed by this time, though. Idk. Something's weird.

Pray for a Masonry.

A 4 man masonry would be broken af

Not really
Would leave little room for other PRs tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Tonight? What

[Gamma Emerald]

HI TITUS!

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI Titus never reads the content from before she replaces in
so you're going to have to fill her in on stuff
Tywin claimed a type of cop, he has been a scumfuck but he seems to actually be trying to read me so he's town
more later gotta host a chat game

[Gamma Emerald]

Um
Because if you Townread them you should defend them????? Holy shit has Nosferatu been replaced by a complete noob

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to know exactly what makes you think not all three

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think that's a fair statement. We likely have at least four scum, I could see that level of bus

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL what @boon

[Gamma Emerald]

well alright then

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think Moz is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to open with a bit of theory discussion.

one scum down.

vote gamma

This is actually an okay vote. Compared to the other ones I'd seen this one shows clear principle (lynch setup speccers as they are likely scum)

yeah early 180 from me. I'm much prefering Gamma, who is questioning, explaining himself and seems quite open, to most of the people on his wagon, who don't seem any of those things.

BUt then his read evolves, and it isn't a "easy wagon" read, which I feel is towny for some reason

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Just annoys me

Nope, this isnt good enough, particularly from Dunn, who is a good player.
Pos.s cum.

While the read isn't that good I can see where he comes from. Dunnstral has enough experience with me to be able to sort me imo. This level of vote is rater poor.

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

Relatable, it's a pain to go through it.

Completely agree, but a give away town tell. Scum dont want to stick out like Priscilla is doing, they want to blend in.

Affirms the points discussed while being constructive.

I'm struggling on Waffles. He made that one self conscious post about being scummy. But apart from that I'm not really getting the waffle shate. Anyone got a decent case on him?

Feel scum would take a position rather than asking here.

This is my Moz town case

[Gamma Emerald]

No
Apparently Titus decided not to read anything this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean like, even after she replaced in

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm with Titus
Also RadiantCowbells is amazing

[Gamma Emerald]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
everyone on the mozamis wagon respond to my mozamis towncase

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you explain that terminology please and thank you

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we please cut the vagaries

[Gamma Emerald]

thank you for clearing that up
wanted everyone else to see what you meant

[Gamma Emerald]

HOLY SHIT MAN
tbh the self awareness doesn't help: shows hedging against the incoming backlash

[Gamma Emerald]

LOLOL
I suspected Why of buddying me and that strengthens it

[Gamma Emerald]

Has ANYONE read my towncase on mozamis