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Why would a newbie mafia ask town how they knew the information when they already know that town can't know it except by the op since that player is not scum?In post 662, Dierfire wrote:(one mentioned example, expressing suspicion of Naomi-Tan in 88 for mentioning Daytalk, works well as an illustration of what I mean--I would expect a Mafia player to actually check how Naomi-Tan knew this information before making the vote).
Experienced scum might be more likely to ask, in order to cover their own ass, but newbscum are more prone to tripping up on their own knowledge.-
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Motive.In post 745, Glitch wrote:Besides playstle, communication, logic, arguments made, associations, and just plain gut feeling which isn’t reliable, what are you supposed to look for that I am not getting?
Are reads, however terrible, sincere? Do they change organically? Does the player stand to personally gain from shifting their stance?
These are all much more reliable indicators of scum than "tells".
Anything scum can do, town can do better.
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Refer to the first word in the past you are responding to.In post 1839, MathBlade wrote:Personal gain isn't always indicative of scum though. It is indicative of personal gain. It becomes whether than gain is Town PR oriented or Scum oriented and is usually the latter but sometimes the former.
Town players can be scummy and scummy players can be townie. It is one of the reasons I setup spec a lot because if you know certain things exist eg I am a VT then that influences votes.
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EBWOPIn post 1840, House wrote:
Refer to the first word in theIn post 1839, MathBlade wrote:Personal gain isn't always indicative of scum though. It is indicative of personal gain. It becomes whether than gain is Town PR oriented or Scum oriented and is usually the latter but sometimes the former.
Town players can be scummy and scummy players can be townie. It is one of the reasons I setup spec a lot because if you know certain things exist eg I am a VT then that influences votes.pastpost you are responding to.
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MathBlade, since you're around where should I start ISOing for a decent bead on things? Reading 75+ pages ain't happening. You know me.-
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I'm trying, really i am. 75 pages, though?In post 1844, MathBlade wrote:BBT and RB especially the recent fight. One of which I think is town and the other scum.
Also ISO chuck for my sanity. My towndar is going off miles on him so much so it is approaching I am scared of buddying territory.
Lastly Experience is probably scum.
I really wish you would stop not reading on replace in though.
I'll look into those three and your slot, then work backwards from there.
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Math is your shtick. Not mine. I can only count to purple.
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And before I start reading ISOs, I want it known for the record that BBT is probscum because he's in the game.-
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Ran across this post during my cross-ISO of Cass while reading up on BBT.In post 953, Cass wrote:Ryan. It's weird. Makes me want to lynch Ryan more, just to see what he flips.
And Martha: Expedience starts attacking Martha, but then decides she is completely town and defends her a lot too.
Then he goes after me, but denies my association with Martha- protecting Martha again.
Cass, please explain the bolded. Who are you suspecting of scum in that scenario? Ryan? Martha? Ryan and Martha both? Yourself and Ryan? Because it reads like the last.-
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So you're voting Chuck, who dropped his suspicion of you because he thought you were a PR, and killed Martha, who WAS a PR... that he didn't notice was one?In post 1409, Expedience wrote:
This is immediately after Glitch was hammered. I feel like this post is expecting Glitch to flip town because it only overs scenarios where this is the case. like he starts with "if he flips town" then devolves into outright assumptionIn post 1364, Chuck wrote:This large wagon swing makes me feel like scum were definitely in on it, even if not necessarily leading it.
I agree with Glitch however, that if he flips town, Expedience looks more town due to the claim duel thing.
That makes me suspect that either/both of RyanK and Martha Zolanski would be the scum he was a counter wagon to.
The fact that he was mostly gone during his wagon's growth is also a deciding factor in that it was a bad wagon.
It's disappointing that you guys didn't at least wait until I got back. Pushing through a wagon on the weekend is bad form even when people haven't announced V/LA.
It's unreasonable for town!Chuck to presume a town flip here, his post where he realized he wa hammered actually looked like a scumclaim to me (since it showed his aim was survival (however his play before that was pretty town and made my heart sink reading it)). Chuck never took a stance on Glitch, just let it happen and then tried to set up new pushes afterwards, but he did it slightly too prematurely.
The CLAIM DUEL thing is something that happened a while ago, Glitch didn't really bring anything revelatory to light there. Chuck could've made his own evaluation of the CLAIM DUEL when he made that post about how oddly interested he was in the claims of two town members. This is a really unnatural progression and shows that he didn't really believe all the crap he was throwing at me before. All the suspicion on me is completely gone! It's probably because he mistakenly thought I was a PR (and didn't notice that Martha was one?).
VOTE: Chuck
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In due time.In post 1851, Chuck wrote:
House, answer these too please.In post 1827, Chuck wrote:Saru, Dierfire, pitoli, and Cass, what do you think about:
1. MathBlade?
2. rb vs. BBT?
3. Expedience?
In post 1851, Chuck wrote:In post 1827, Chuck wrote: Thanks for replacing in btw. Good to see a familiar face.
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In post 1411, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 550, Accountant wrote:
Putting these here for when I have the time to look into them.In post 1374, Accountant wrote:
Why just rb? Why not Expedience?In post 1412, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I really feel like both of these VCs point towards rb being scum.-
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Generalizations are always wrong.In post 1416, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Empty null is usually exactly where scum sit.
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I think I'm going to be reading 475-550 during night phase for entertainment value alone.In post 1280, Cass wrote:
Yes, that is an interesting part. We were on Dierfire, then he made a decent post, then I made a case on martha (489), Pitoli & Golden vaguely sheeped me but without voting. Martha defends against my case and her and me get into a fight that's mostly misunderstandings and language-issues, I think (it's pretty unreadable, I apologize for my part in that). Then Pitoli (497) notes that Martha's and my posts 'synch up', and we could be following eachother onto wagons. (Note when ISO-ing: Martha here increases the confusion by posting a few times with and ALT account, keyenpeydee.)In post 1275, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 475, Accountant wrote:
Want these in my ISO so I remember to look over them.In post 550, Accountant wrote:
That was a quick transition.
Now Pitoli votes Martha, and Martha votes Ryan. Rb likes Dierfire's post and joins the Martha wagon, starts pushing it, as does Pitoli. Now Expedience (replaced Naomi) joins the wagon, but still thinks Dierfire is scum too. (509 - This one reinforces my scumread on Expedience.) Rb feels the wagon is going too fast now, too easy (I can see what he means...) and unvotes Martha (also calls Saru, Pitoli and Golden town). Expedience attacks Martha and defends Ryan. Based on this - I think because he's somehow reassured that Expedience is town (unlike me) -, rb revotes Martha(523.
(Off topic: Post 528 makes me wonder if I could be wrong about gameplay; could he be Expedience's partner?)
Now Martha says she can't defend herself because there are 'scums' on her wagon (wagon is now (4): Cass, pitoli, Expedience, rb). Martha starts to panic, suggests self-hammering, calls her own wagon good, etc. Now Ryan joins the wagon (can't blame him, really), making it L-2.
We are now at 550 (the second vote-count). What happens right after this is also interesting. The wagon weakens, as Ryan and Expedience back off. (Omg, expedience looks so scummy doing that.)
Then in 578 with just 3 votes on her, Martha soft-claims (maybe explaining the earlier panic?). After that, almost everyone (including me) backs off.-
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After the way you entered the game, you have the stones to say this?In post 1431, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:SO MUCH THIS! I cannot emphasize how much more difficult town are making this game. It's almost impossible to gain reads because of the amount of bullshit that is going on.
People need to post less and when they do post, post more content because this game is an absolute joke right now.
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That's actually a good point. A really good point.In post 1440, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah. Here's why.
That post assumes I am town, does it not? If you ISO me before that post, I had posted NOTHING of content. My predecessor hadn't even posted so I don't know why the hell rb is assuming I am town in that post.
Compare it to this post later on;
And the first one could be a legit slip.In post 822, rb wrote: Hey BlueBloodedToffee if you're town can you just come demolish this scumlord with me? Thanks.
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Why would you not think of yourself first when listing town, if you are town?In post 1586, rb wrote:Okay so it's TvT, let's assume we're right and dese fights are generally TvT. That means the town we can bet on are:
Chuck
Expedience
Saru
rb
gameplay
We lynch from outside that pool?
As the next to last name in your own list of "town we can bet on", you look like you added your name in almost as an afterthought.-
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I loled my pants.
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Poor, yes. But proof of scum?In post 1707, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Meta'ing people of a single game is also poor scum hunting.
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Valid point, I can see where BBT is coming from here.In post 1720, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Your town read on Math is pretty important because it made you abandon the largest wagon in the game to vote WITH a previous scum read.
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Ah, right on then. Fair enough.In post 1722, rb wrote:Nah, what's important is that you explain your scumread on Math.
Also stop trying to misrep and throw shade already. Golden was an early-game TOWNREAD for me, but their disappearance once their slot was out of focus looked scummy, they just went off the map. Math's entrance is game-solving and townlike. So I'm fine with putting Golden as town since they were a compromise lynch. Town BBT is smart enough to understand this.-
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Wait...In post 1731, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Man, I really want rb to be town so I can gloat post-game.
We should lynch Math. He is scum.
PEdit - Nah.
rb is a scumread of yours... but you want him to be town... so you can gloat... about being wrong?
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Tempted to vote rb for this shit post alone.In post 1733, rb wrote:
Oh boy, where have I seen this one beforeIn post 1731, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Man, I really want rb to be town so I can gloat post-game.
We should lynch Math. He is scum.
PEdit - Nah.
Remember when you were scum telling me how sorry I'd be for mislynching you? Then you flipped scum. Also I still don't think you realise even if you flipped town I still would have said it was your own shitty play that got you lynched. I have zero sympathy for players who get mislynched as town, it's their own fault.
You're being scummy as fuck right now and if you're town you can blame your own shit play, nothing else.-
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In post 1851, Chuck wrote:
House, answer these too please.In post 1827, Chuck wrote:Saru, Dierfire, pitoli, and Cass, what do you think about:
1. MathBlade?
2. rb vs. BBT?
3. Expedience?
Thanks for replacing in btw. Good to see a familiar face.
#2 - This round goes to BBT... which is surprising, considering I wanted him to be scum. rb's jump on him for meta, then later ignoring of BBT's counter-meta that refutes those meta accusations, is just all kinds of slimy.
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#2 - This round goes to BBT... which is surprising, considering I wanted him to be scum. rb's jump on him for meta, then later ignoring of BBT's counter-meta that refutes those meta accusations, is just all kinds of slimy.In post 1879, House wrote:In post 1851, Chuck wrote:
House, answer these too please.In post 1827, Chuck wrote:Saru, Dierfire, pitoli, and Cass, what do you think about:
1. MathBlade?
2. rb vs. BBT?
3. Expedience?
Thanks for replacing in btw. Good to see a familiar face.
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So?In post 1881, Dierfire wrote:I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.
I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.
Not that I have any particular feels for BBT, but when somebody starts badmouthing a playstyle that I share as scummy when I do the same exact things as town too, I'm going to speak up about it because condemning somebody because you don't like their playstyle is facile.-
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Why would you ask someone to assume that after 1831?In post 1883, MathBlade wrote:In post 1881, Dierfire wrote:@Chuck
I think that you may have missed some of my questions to you:
Also, I noticed that I'd missed some of your questions to me--my apologies!In post 1558, Dierfire wrote:@Chuck
I agreed with your thought in 1364 that the "claim duel" looked unlikely from a Mafia player given that Glitch flipped Town, so I was surprised that you reconsidered in 1470. Why would Expedience do that as Mafia?
1. I want to discuss things more with MathBlade, but I suspect that I will end up reading her as Town for reasons that I will discuss afterward.In post 1827, Chuck wrote:Saru, Dierfire, pitoli, and Cass, what do you think about:
1. MathBlade?
2. rb vs. BBT?
3. Expedience?
2. I'm still reading rb as Town. Nothing that BBT said made me especially suspicious, but I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads. So, if I were to choose one to lynch, it would be BBT.
3. I'm still reading Expedience as Town. I read your 1470 but am unconvinced. Among other things: if Expedience is Mafia and killed Martha so as to set up RyanK to be lynched, why does Expedience never vote for RyanK, or claim to be suspicious of RyanK? It seems strange to me that a Mafia player would create a plan of this specificity (set up RyanK, specifically) but leave the detail work to Town. In fact, I'm not sure that RyanK received a single vote this phase.Assume RB is scum.Who is scum with him?
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Ok... I loled.In post 28, rb wrote:In post 26, gameplay506 wrote:You have the charisma of a slug
http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/20 ... arisma5558
Slugs are one of the most charismatic animals ever.
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So, gameplay looks to be in the null category, along with ryan and martha under him... presumably making gameplay slightly more town. But..In post 231, rb wrote:Reads:
Naomi
Pitoli
golden009
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ryan
martha
dierfire
Scum is pink because red is mod colour.
Anyone not included I have to re-read.
No mention of ryan or martha when you're explaining your reads, which list gameplay as "sketchy af", when ryan and martha are listed below gameplay? Why?In post 249, rb wrote:Like I said Naomi's post WAS bad. Gameplay is being sketchy af and Dierfire's sheeping and reasoning for sheeping is awful.
Going from Naomi to being suspicious of gameplay's style of discrediting the most vocal player in the game, not even trying to ascertain my motives and instead just jumping straight to 'rb is butthurt bad player' is really gross from a player who's apparently decent and/or experienced. Dierfire's vote WAS terrible.
Golden009 picked up on all the important thing I'd expect a town player to have picked up on upon entering and reading this thread. They're town for now.
p-edit: @Naomi: you do realise that all Dierfire did in his post 131 is throw a bunch of shade and then fence-sit?
"I don't mind the reactions", "I don't like this, but it's mitigated by...."
Dierfire is doing literally nothing in this game, they're not solving it by a longshot. If they're town, they're a townbeard. If they're scum, they're buddying. Neither one is favourable.
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I really like this post. It limits his options and locks him into stances that scum would normally avoid doing.In post 694, rb wrote:
Ryan is like Gameplay's only target today. Ryan wasn't hesitant to vote Gameplay at all.In post 693, pitoli wrote:
Explain? Curious how you got these specifically.In post 666, rb wrote:Unlikely scumpartners:
Gameplay/Ryan
Martha/Gameplay
Cass/Dierfire
Martha/Dierfire
Cass/Martha
Martha was willing to ride Gameplay to lynch. Gameplay scumreads Martha.
Feels like both Cass/Martha are willing to lynch Dierfire. Pretty sure Dierfire wanted one of these lynched.
Cass/Martha interactions look genuine, doesn't seem Scum vs. Scum to me at all.
I'm less sure about the Dierfire ones now because they've just ended up on Golden. This stuff changes as the game goes on but I think that regardless of what happens gameplay/Ryan would be unlikely scumbuddies. If one of them flips scum the other is basically conftown imo. The others aren't nearly that strong. Also I do make sure to look for distancing type behaviours - honestly Glitch on Chuck looks like that. He gets on the same wagon as Chuck but he's like, "I can't really sort you Chuck help me dude" - that's scummy as fuck forced interaction from my POV.
Also I'm fairly happy with those non-scumbuddy combinations because Cass is a strong townread so it makes sense that she's there twice. Martha/Dierfire are townlean, Ryan is townread. Gameplay is only scumread there, along with Glitch. But he hasn't interacted enough to say who would or wouldn't be a scumbuddy.-
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Also rb, I notice you didn't list Cass/gameplay (me) as unlikely scumbuddies. Oversight, or is that a possible association in your theory?In post 1890, House wrote:
I really like this post. It limits his options and locks him into stances that scum would normally avoid doing.In post 694, rb wrote:
Ryan is like Gameplay's only target today. Ryan wasn't hesitant to vote Gameplay at all.In post 693, pitoli wrote:
Explain? Curious how you got these specifically.In post 666, rb wrote:Unlikely scumpartners:
Gameplay/Ryan
Martha/Gameplay
Cass/Dierfire
Martha/Dierfire
Cass/Martha
Martha was willing to ride Gameplay to lynch. Gameplay scumreads Martha.
Feels like both Cass/Martha are willing to lynch Dierfire. Pretty sure Dierfire wanted one of these lynched.
Cass/Martha interactions look genuine, doesn't seem Scum vs. Scum to me at all.
I'm less sure about the Dierfire ones now because they've just ended up on Golden. This stuff changes as the game goes on but I think that regardless of what happens gameplay/Ryan would be unlikely scumbuddies. If one of them flips scum the other is basically conftown imo. The others aren't nearly that strong. Also I do make sure to look for distancing type behaviours - honestly Glitch on Chuck looks like that. He gets on the same wagon as Chuck but he's like, "I can't really sort you Chuck help me dude" - that's scummy as fuck forced interaction from my POV.
Also I'm fairly happy with those non-scumbuddy combinations because Cass is a strong townread so it makes sense that she's there twice. Martha/Dierfire are townlean, Ryan is townread. Gameplay is only scumread there, along with Glitch. But he hasn't interacted enough to say who would or wouldn't be a scumbuddy.-
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#goodpostingIn post 858, rb wrote:And do Ryan's hypothetical scumpartners let him continue playing like this all game even when there's daychat? He's a new player, he'd ask for advice right? His partners would attempt to assist him, right?
He keeps getting scumread for the shit he's doing, but he still does it anyway, right? Why? If he was scum, he'd try to do something differently or find a way of playing that didn't get him scumread by like the entire fkn game. Unless he's just some godlike-reverse-psychology-super-god at mafia, he's not scum. It's his SECOND GAME...of course he's bad - and bad play is bad play regardless of alignment. Good play looks pretty much the same as either alignment since good play = convincing town to lynch your targets and getting townreads. The only difference is you're ideally lynching scum as town, but even good town make mistakes.
A bad player will look bad no matter what alignment they are, so if the argument is Ryan is bad and therefore scum? Nope. Not going there. Find why Ryan is scum for being scum, not scum for being bad. This wagon is a massive red flag from my POV.-
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Having some insight on the matter, I have to say your reasoning is flawed. If Ryan can be bad!town, why can't gameplay?In post 863, rb wrote:This is like the 10th time I've had scum do exactly what Gameplay is doing. He has no real case. His game has been weak and nothing, but he pretends like he's mortally offended by me or something and that I'm "disgusting" when he goes around calling people Village Idiot, terrible etc.
The point here not being that he said those things, it's that he's obviously a person with some edge - not some limpwristed pansy who runs away from a bit of conflict in a thread. Conflict which revolves around me scumreading him, I haven't even made any personal insults but he's running away tail tucked between his legs. Gameplay is scum. Book it.
Having mislynched them before myself, I can kinda understand the urge, but I find it odd that you would defend Ryan (though I like the way you do so because of the insight you provided), yet condemn gameplay.
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Careful making such assumptions. I was in a game not that long ago where the newbtown read blazed to a glorious victory for her scum team.In post 1010, rb wrote:For him to pull off this act (if it was an act) of reverse-psychology-scumlord would require him to actually be really, really good at the game. Good enough to be capable of recognizing what is and isn't a useful thing to say and to consistently keep up this persona, even through high pressure (he's at L-2) and to continuously be able to come up with enough material to keep himself in that range of never actually contributing that much but also still being coherently incoherent. RyanK is the most obvious town that ever obvious towned.
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After reviewing BBT's ISO, he feels town. I'm halfway through rb's and I have found content that both pleases and disturbs me. I'm not nearly as intent on scumreading him as I was when I started the ISO, but I remain uneasy with giving him a townread. Still more reading to do on him, we'll see how that ends.In post 1895, MathBlade wrote:House what are you feeling right now?-
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Spoiler: Not Game Related-
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Scumreading the guy that got killed wouldn't make him look town. If anything, it would incriminate him because it's indicative that he wanted that player dead, if he's scum.In post 1901, Expedience wrote:
Yes, that's what I wrote.In post 1859, House wrote:
So you're voting Chuck, who dropped his suspicion of you because he thought you were a PR, and killed Martha, who WAS a PR... that he didn't notice was one?In post 1409, Expedience wrote:
This is immediately after Glitch was hammered. I feel like this post is expecting Glitch to flip town because it only overs scenarios where this is the case. like he starts with "if he flips town" then devolves into outright assumptionIn post 1364, Chuck wrote:This large wagon swing makes me feel like scum were definitely in on it, even if not necessarily leading it.
I agree with Glitch however, that if he flips town, Expedience looks more town due to the claim duel thing.
That makes me suspect that either/both of RyanK and Martha Zolanski would be the scum he was a counter wagon to.
The fact that he was mostly gone during his wagon's growth is also a deciding factor in that it was a bad wagon.
It's disappointing that you guys didn't at least wait until I got back. Pushing through a wagon on the weekend is bad form even when people haven't announced V/LA.
It's unreasonable for town!Chuck to presume a town flip here, his post where he realized he wa hammered actually looked like a scumclaim to me (since it showed his aim was survival (however his play before that was pretty town and made my heart sink reading it)). Chuck never took a stance on Glitch, just let it happen and then tried to set up new pushes afterwards, but he did it slightly too prematurely.
The CLAIM DUEL thing is something that happened a while ago, Glitch didn't really bring anything revelatory to light there. Chuck could've made his own evaluation of the CLAIM DUEL when he made that post about how oddly interested he was in the claims of two town members. This is a really unnatural progression and shows that he didn't really believe all the crap he was throwing at me before. All the suspicion on me is completely gone! It's probably because he mistakenly thought I was a PR (and didn't notice that Martha was one?).
VOTE: Chuck
Please explain, I'm confused as shit.
On second thought, it's more likely that he backed down because he thought I wouldn't get lynched, or scumread Martha because wanted to look town for scumreading the guy who got killed, and whether or not we were PRs had nothing to do with it. I don't think it really matters but at the time I was anxious to work things out.
Sure it matters. If you see flawed reasoning, it's best to correct it to prevent such reasoning from infecting future games.-
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Yeah well, let's see how well you rebound if you get banned for the same duration as a piece of shit game terrorist that takes an entire game hostage simply because you didn't buckle to his demands and allowed your frustrations to boil over in other games.In post 1905, MathBlade wrote:Actually it was because something is off. Not sure if it is scum related or House related. Keeping an eye out:
It's going to be a while before you see the House you know and tolerate. Right now, I'm just happy keeping myself from razing the boards.-
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Then you've played with terrible scum. Mislynching threats is optimal because it leaves the NK open for PR fishing.In post 1909, Expedience wrote:I treat it as a towntell because I would never kill someone I could mislynch or could continue to tunnel to look town. Apart from you, I haven't seen anyone before who thinks this way of trying to mislynch their threats.-
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I think I might be done for tonight. idk.-
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Not really. There are nine players alive. Pick half of the players still living, and you're likely to have scum in the mix, especially when no scum have flipped yet.In post 1902, Expedience wrote:
inb4 all townIn post 1878, MathBlade wrote:I know there has to be scum in BBT RB Saru and Expedience.-
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This gives me an idea...
Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.-
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Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.In post 1918, Chuck wrote:
"So?" Really?In post 1882, House wrote:
So?In post 1881, Dierfire wrote:I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.
I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.
So, that's,badregardlessof alignment, that's what's "so."
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If I recall correctly, piloting is popping up with a lot of townreads. Why do you suspect them?In post 1920, Expedience wrote:
Chuck, Cass, Mathblade. I don't have a fourth. Maybe pitoli or rb?In post 1913, House wrote:This gives me an idea...
Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.-
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EBWOPIn post 1926, House wrote:
If I recall correctly, piloti is popping up with a lot of townreads. Why do you suspect them?In post 1920, Expedience wrote:
Chuck, Cass, Mathblade. I don't have a fourth. Maybe pitoli or rb?In post 1913, House wrote:This gives me an idea...
Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.-
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It was, and it's a valuable lesson that new to the site does not always mean new to the game.In post 1924, rb wrote:
About to head home and then hit the gym, but I'll post more this weekend. Was that boring? I know her outside game, she's very, very intelligent and has a knack for this kind of game - it's an outlier not the norm imo. But fair enough that you bring it up.In post 1898, House wrote:
Careful making such assumptions. I was in a game not that long ago where the newbtown read blazed to a glorious victory for her scum team.In post 1010, rb wrote:For him to pull off this act (if it was an act) of reverse-psychology-scumlord would require him to actually be really, really good at the game. Good enough to be capable of recognizing what is and isn't a useful thing to say and to consistently keep up this persona, even through high pressure (he's at L-2) and to continuously be able to come up with enough material to keep himself in that range of never actually contributing that much but also still being coherently incoherent. RyanK is the most obvious town that ever obvious towned.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67031
Although boring admitted she had mafia experience elsewhere, the reason not to bring such a thing up if one rolls scum early is rather obvious.-
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Point is, bad play is not alignment indicative... which is rb's entire point about eh... what's his name.In post 1929, MathBlade wrote:
Regardless of alignment they should want to be a better player.In post 1925, House wrote:
Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.In post 1918, Chuck wrote:
"So?" Really?In post 1882, House wrote:
So?In post 1881, Dierfire wrote:I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.
I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.
So, that's,badregardlessof alignment, that's what's "so."
So?
I suck but I try to do better and am now not an insta Mislynch.
Granted I also suffer from weakened Titus Moon Logic Syndrome but I am working on the earth landing pad.
Using bad play as an excuse to lynch is... bad play.-
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Thing is, I rarely ever want to lynch "the eternal townie"In post 1929, MathBlade wrote:I suck but I try to do better and am now not an insta Mislynch.
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Can't sleep. Guess I'll get back to reading.In post 1915, MathBlade wrote:House. I love you. Go to bed.-
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In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?In post 1711, rb wrote:It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.
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Doesn't change the fact that bad play does not change a person's role pm and lynching because of "bad play" is a cheap tactic that only serves to help scum.In post 1938, Chuck wrote:
So, it's unconscionable to not only allow anti-town behavior to persist, but indeed to defend it when it is questioned or challenged.In post 1925, House wrote:
Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.In post 1918, Chuck wrote:
"So?" Really?In post 1882, House wrote:
So?In post 1881, Dierfire wrote:I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.
I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.
So, that's,badregardlessof alignment, that's what's "so."
So?
It is town's job to find and eliminate threats to town. Bad players are not that's too town because they can simply be read, struck from the lynch pool as bad players, and ignored.
Lynching town simply because they're bad at the game only serves to help scum.-
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anti-town play != scum playIn post 1942, Chuck wrote:Not answering questions, and not explaining reads, are both concrete examples of objectively anti-town play.
Are you done with the completely superfluous theory lesson yet?
Are you going to discourage objectively anti-town play, or are you going to continue to defend it?
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My mistake. Thanks!In post 1948, rb wrote:
I said BBT was best lynch.In post 1940, House wrote:
In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?In post 1711, rb wrote:It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.
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That was my fault, Math. I misread the context. He was interacting with BBT.In post 1955, MathBlade wrote:
*looks at RB's posts*In post 1940, House wrote:
In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?In post 1711, rb wrote:It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.
What is this?
*looks at lack of response*
*repeats*
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I'm not lynching BBT.
End of story.
Those of you screaming for his head need to remember that there is more than one reason for anti-town play besides drawing a scum role pm.-
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I'm not super happy with an rb wagon either, but if this boils down to a 1v1 between rb and BBT, rb will have to go.
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Why Math? Because golden?In post 1976, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Math/Dier are my lynch choices.
Either of those would be fantastic.