NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)
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VOTE: SilverWolf
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I've got an early townlean on ika.
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In post 54, texcat wrote:UNVOTE: Nanite
VOTE: Ozgin another hat
FOS Lapsa. Post 36 may be the longest one I've ever seen him make.
Is that Lapsa FOS really grounds for a scumread? I don't see what's so scummy about it.Retired.
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In post 61, texcat wrote:In post 56, Shinobi wrote:
Is that Lapsa FOS really grounds for a scumread? I don't see what's so scummy about it.
Even after he showed us where heplagiarizedadapted it from?
Certainly not enough for a full-blown scum read, but I thought it was out of character enough to be suspicious.
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In post 66, texcat wrote:As I said, it was the longest post I've ever seen him make. Why are you defending him so adamantly?
Because I don't think your scumread makes sense.
Besides, defending him and inquiring as to why you're scumreading him aren't necessarily the same thing.
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In post 77, texcat wrote:In post 69, Shinobi wrote:In post 66, texcat wrote:As I said, it was the longest post I've ever seen him make. Why are you defending him so adamantly?
Because I don't think your scumread makes sense.
Besides, defending him and inquiring as to why you're scumreading him aren't necessarily the same thing.
Do you think my line of thinking is out of the ordinary?
I guess I just don't get why you are continuing to press this point. In my experience with Lapsa, it's unusual for him to make long posts with full sentences and punctuation. I thought it was worth noting with an FOS. I am generally suspicious of things that are out of the ordinary. Why is this so difficult to understand?
I suppose.
I felt like what you were saying seemed like it was much stronger than how you actually felt, especially since I didn't read too much into Lapsa's early posts. Meh. I don't think this is a good point of discussion anymore.Retired.
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His entry seems somewhat aimless, like he's trying to do something without actually doing something.
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In post 94, Nosferatu wrote:The whole redff train seems like total bs, he said the post seemed forced, and was told that it was a quote from a previous game, why would anyone kepp a vote after that?
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In post 97, Nosferatu wrote:In post 96, Shinobi wrote:In post 94, Nosferatu wrote:The whole redff train seems like total bs, he said the post seemed forced, and was told that it was a quote from a previous game, why would anyone kepp a vote after that?
Possibly.
Do you have a better vote?
You for starting the train for no reason.
Except this isn't true. I gave you a reason.
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In post 110, Nosferatu wrote:In post 108, Shinobi wrote:In post 97, Nosferatu wrote:In post 96, Shinobi wrote:In post 94, Nosferatu wrote:The whole redff train seems like total bs, he said the post seemed forced, and was told that it was a quote from a previous game, why would anyone kepp a vote after that?
Possibly.
Do you have a better vote?
You for starting the train for no reason.
Except this isn't true. I gave you a reason.
You started the train for a profusely dumb reason, his unvote, when no reasonable person would keep up a vote after their main reason for voting was dispelled.
Again: who else do I vote and for what reason?
Saying me because you don't agree with my assessment of his early posts isn't going to help anyone.
In post 112, Quaroath wrote:In post 107, Annadog40 wrote:In post 106, Nosferatu wrote:more like as many problems with it, as I still feel like the lynchee was chosen somewhat arbitrarily
I agree, which is why Wolfie would be a better lynchee since they were chosen unarbitrarily
Why isn't this arbitrary?
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Anna that still seems somewhat arbitrary. Do you know what Lapsa's mindset is like or are you just rolling with the "confscum" angle?Retired.
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In post 117, Annadog40 wrote:In post 116, Shinobi wrote:Anna that still seems somewhat arbitrary. Do you know what Lapsa's mindset is like or are you just rolling with the "confscum" angle?
After Lapsa's post, I re read Wolfie ISO and they scream scum
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She didn't claim doctor, and even if she did, why would that be scummy?
How is her vote wishy-washy?
Where did she avoid questions?
She hasn't said anything about Quaroath yet.
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In post 125, T S O wrote:I'm skimming pages pretty quickly but everything looks like trash so far.
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In post 168, Creede73 wrote:I don't know anyone here, so I can't really make any solid reads.
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In post 196, Creede73 wrote:Salamence is really pushing for a random lynch, and not giving any solid reason for the lynch other than "it helps town".
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In post 207, Creede73 wrote:I said might be. I didn't vote for you for a reason. There isn't anything solid against you, but you look slightly suspicious. Not as suspicious as nosferatus (however it's spelled).
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In post 242, Lapsa wrote:In post 198, Shinobi wrote:In post 196, Creede73 wrote:Salamence is really pushing for a random lynch, and not giving any solid reason for the lynch other than "it helps town".
And?
that's kind a vibe I got from #27
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Yeah but I'm not sure that's scummy for Sala.
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Nah nevermind red wasn't lynched yet. This is good then.
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UNVOTE:
No lynch yet, I'm not done with this dayphase despite Sala's desire to murder indiscriminately. Red should claim but I want nothing to do with quickhammers.
(Sorry if this bugs the people that want to finish day 1 as quickly as possible but there's still a bunch of people I want to talk to/about possibly.)
In post 259, Mahonster wrote:Because Nos is bussing him, and that looks like scum attempt. My vote is also in accordance with Silver's reasons, and the idea that we need to flip a little instead of sit around and chat nothing forever.
Scum attempt?
Do you have anything else to say about anyone?
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In post 296, Mahonster wrote:I'm pretty sure we weren't at L-1?
Respond pls:
In post 263, Shinobi wrote:In post 259, Mahonster wrote:Because Nos is bussing him, and that looks like scum attempt. My vote is also in accordance with Silver's reasons, and the idea that we need to flip a little instead of sit around and chat nothing forever.
Scum attempt?
Do you have anything else to say about anyone?
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In post 388, ika wrote:In post 387, Shinobi wrote:The replace probably points to town!SilverWolf.
she has done it as scum in the past but *shrugs*
i should get me town bloc going soon
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I don't see the bit where she replaced out of that game though.Retired.
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In post 364, Quaroath wrote:VOTE: greyfoxx
There is zero reason for that early claim, beyond hurting town. The red vote was atrocious. Posts are three naked votes, an unneeded claim, and a "So what".
He's actively NOT ENGAGING, and just slinging votes.
Greyfox, are you going to engage at this point, or keep being meh?
Yeah I didn't really like this scumread.
Claiming vt doesn't mean he's claiming scum.
Lots of surface-level stuff that doesn't really relate to his alignment tbh.Retired.
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In post 416, T S O wrote:In fact, make Shinobi town for now, he did some good stuff early.
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Tso, I didn't really find your scumread on Lapsa particularly convincing considering almost everything he's done so far is completely within his range as town.
/shrug
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In post 447, Wake1 wrote:Shinobi, can you please respond to my posts?
I want feedback, please, and I don't like feeling as if I talking to a wall.
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Which one am I responding to, exactly?
Sorry if I missed it, I just got back from work and I'm tired lol.Retired.
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Well.
I'm looking at your posts and I don't see much I should be responding to or talking about.
I actually disliked your reads list because it seemed somewhat aimed towards making you look clueless, the only player you came to some sort of conclusion about was me and even that was somewhat wishy-washy.
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Hi ika.
Honestly wake, I know I've had a bit of trouble reading you in the past and I generally don't talk about stuff unless I have a really solid opinion on it, so I was kind of avoiding you for a little bit because I know you tend to fixate on things that I generally ignore for the majority of the game.
If you want to talk about something, talk to me about Quaroath maybe?Retired.
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In post 430, Nosferatu wrote:I've always thought that sheeping was usually scum-indicative
Uhhhh since when, actually?Retired.
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In post 456, ika wrote:In post 454, Shinobi wrote:Hi ika.
Honestly wake, I know I've had a bit of trouble reading you in the past and I generally don't talk about stuff unless I have a really solid opinion on it, so I was kind of avoiding you for a little bit because I know you tend to fixate on things that I generally ignore for the majority of the game.
If you want to talk about something, talk to me about Quaroath maybe?
what your read on quarth? i wanna talk
I think he's kinda scummy.
I thought his scumread on Gray was kinda bosh. I commented on it here
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Alrighty, works for me, let's do it:
1) Lapsa is a unique player in the sense that he doesn't post walls and thoughts like a regular scumhunter. A lot of the time, he'll attach videos and pictures to posts and he'll say stuff that can be somewhat off-the-wall from what you're used to. I just got finished playing two scumgames against him and I've seen him townplay first hand, so nothing out of the ordinary there yet. (Though I don't begrudge him for going after SW the way he has, considering it's a read based on prior experience and can apply to this game.)
2) /shrug, I honestly don't know. My experience with IML and quickhammers is actually somewhat limited compared to my experience with plurality lynch. I've never even played with ika before.
3) I agree that SW is a dangerous player and her style of writing has fooled me in the past, specifically in that large NY game we played together. I'm reserving judgement for now.
4) Uhhhhh...Good luck with that. I'm notoriously difficult to read even when I play as townily as possible. I can be amazingly anti-town as town sometimes but that's really the only thing I can think of.
5) I'm all for using our time wisely and I'd rather not lynch immediately.
6) Quoaroth or w/e his name is.
7) I understood this after the fact.
8) I don't necessarily agree. How do you intend to make lynches happen without sheeping? Like...It could be, but I don't think accusing someone of sheeping is a necessarily valid tell on its own.
Pedit: Well, I want to talk about Qua. Do you have an opinion on him?Retired.
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4) Not really. If anything I'm far more likely to stick my neck out for townreads as town but my play is relatively similar regardless of my alignment.
6) Anna might be a good pick as well, but that's mostly grounded in her insistence on using buzzwords to vote people.
7) I understood your reasoning behind it. I don't agree with making people town because they're pushing other people, but I don't even do that in singleball. I don't really think much about that kind of stuff until I have flips in front of me because I find that it makes things way too complicated way too fast. That, and I'mgenerallynot one for associative reads anyway.Retired.
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In post 472, ika wrote:i would say most if not all have already been asnwered by my iso.
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In post 476, Wake1 wrote:In post 475, Shinobi wrote:In post 472, ika wrote:i would say most if not all have already been asnwered by my iso.
Just answer the questions.
Interesting movement by Shinobi to ika regarding all this.
Somewhat convincing. Somewhat.
Maybe,maybeslightly contrived and ever-so-gently forced....
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In post 493, Lapsa wrote:I'm running out of options - can't make it more obvious that I don't really scumread Wolfie.
already mentioned - #27 is where fun originates
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Anna's response seemed most town, TSO sounds scum. Wake seems just lazy and Shinobi is town.
wat wat on Nosfer
@ika did you notice that Nanite got replaced by red?
I think it's plausible that TSO could be scum.
He's currently on my watchlist as well.Retired.
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I have no idea what Shinobi is doing, I don't think Shinobi knows what Shinobi is doing.
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Yeh I mostly voted you because I thought your read on Lapsa was kinda meh but that reaction seems fine.
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In post 570, T S O wrote:Shinobi; you might think that my case on Lapsa is weak, which is somewhat true, but #377 is the shittiest attempt at a rebuttal ever. He literally cannot justify his thought processes multiple times. Even if he's just atrociously bad, his thoughts should still be clear in his head and explainable. That he can't do it speaks extremely poorly towards his alignment.
No it doesn't.
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I don't really disagree with TSO's assessment of gray's play.
Gray is being amazingly bad and I've played with him before as well, in his first newbie game no less.Retired.
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