Mini 1088: Cookie Thief Mafia (Game Over)

[Darox]

So hey.

Who took the cookie from the cookie jar?

[Darox]

no but this arguement got us out of rvs

That's fine. I dislike RVS. Too little information is really given off.

I'm almost convinced of your innocence, drmyshottyizsik. Only a scum would want to extend RVS. Getting out of RVS is critical if we want to make the most of the time we have.

What is this mythical conceptual abstraction you call the rvs and why do you think we have magically stepped out of it's boundaries?

[Darox]

Sounds good Llamarble, but let's lynch drmyshottyizsik first because his name is dumber.

[Darox]

I like it too, but unfortunately, I don't know how it's done. I'll try to update VC as often as possible.

It's done by sniping the first post of the new page and doing a regular vote count. Nothing fancy to it.

[Darox]

Since rvs seems to be over

unvote

Please explain to me what prompted this outlandish statement and why you believe it to be true.

Kublai, yes I have.

[Darox]

When people say VI, they never mean the role, unless they explicitly say "the VI role".

[Darox]

Since rvs seems to be over

unvote

Please explain to me what prompted this outlandish statement and why you believe it to be true.

Kublai, yes I have.

Just a feeling I had, could be because somebody has 4 votes already and 4 is a bandwagon forming

Why do you feel 4 votes is the magical number to step out of this magical RVS zone?
Do the votes need to have any backing behind them? Does 4 essentially random votes on somebody signal the end of the RVS? Do you have any opinions on the person being voted? Or is it too insubstantial for you to form an opinion?

[Darox]

Why is it important that I place a random vote before we leave the random voting stage?

[Darox]

why do you feel that you should not place a random vote in RVS?

Not going to fly, burden of proof is in your court.

Why do I have to put down a meaningless vote that I will remove as soon as I see something genuinely voteworthy?

[Darox]

I prefer doing something interesting like fakeclaiming PGO as doctor instead of random voting.
Sadly, I am not always a doctor.
Plus none of you have anything interesting about you to make you stand out.

Oh wait, Furcolow is a dead VI in the other game I'm currently in, I guess he would be my go-to early vote.

[Darox]

The wagon on me is a joke.

The wagon on Elleran is a mishmash of poor wording and poor play from both sides.
Neither are terribly interesting.

[Darox]

Actually, there is.
You are the one calling for action as opposed to inaction.
I have clearly stated why I think random voting is not worth worrying about, if you want me to place a vote in spite of this, you must convince me why it is necessary.

Do you understand what the burden of proof means? Your reaction and vote seem to imply otherwise. What do you think I'm talking about?
Or perhaps you believe not random voting is voteworthy? Please clarify.

[Darox]

Pft, we can do better than that.

Vote: Darox

There, now we're L-2

[Darox]

What a shock, Furcolow is being stupid again.

Unvote

because if you didn't get the point by now you won't get it without explanation.

I really don't feel like lynching somebody because they are a neighbour.

[Darox]

I was just making fun of the wagon on myself. Also making fun of random votes and the people who wanted me to make one.
Also to see what people would do in reaction.

[Darox]

In the one game I have read that involved you, you were a town aligned cop and you were an idiot. I don't think you're an asshole, I think you're incompetent.

Bringing up town meta evidence does not sway my opinion of you in the slightest.

[Darox]

Sigh.
Furcolow did not claim neighbouriszer, he claimed neighbour.
Neighbours are not masons.

I know he sucks at writing anything legible but please, try to keep up.

[Darox]

That would imply you are:
- Important
- Useful
- Effective
The only common element you share is:
- Annoying for the other player(s) to deal with.

[Darox]

Why do I need to comment on things in order to have thought them? Sometimes, it's better to watch without spouting your immediate conclusions.
A "long" post is nothing but filler. I am going to make my posts as long as I want, and I tend to be concise.

P.S. Is the case against me seriously "You blew off the baseless wagon on you as a joke, this makes you scum"

[Darox]

I'll keep that in mind.

In the mean time, I'll let your confirmation bias ruin your 'case' on me.

[Darox]

If I had a one line post saying "Kublai is scum, lynch him" I wouldn't expect to get listened to unless I was a confirmed cop, regardless of my play throughout the rest of the game.

If I have a robust explanation to go along with it, and people blind themselves to it because I haven't done much else, I worry about their Mafia skills. Those are the kinds of people who don't think and simply apply a set of arbitrary rules to the game and see who complies.

[Darox]

No, confirmation bias is when someone gets convinced they are right, and twist their perception reality to further confirm their suspicions.

Please let me know when you're going to stop with the "Scum do this because I said so" and actually come up with some real analysis and reasons.

[Darox]

Perception of* reality.

[Darox]

No, you've been saying "X is something scum does. Darox is scum" without explaining how I am doing X or why X is scummy.

[Darox]

I wonder if people ever think.

At all, but this time specifically if they think about what "Active lurking" constitutes.

[Darox]

#1: Define Content for me please. Because I'm pretty sure you are wrong.


#2: Why would I comment on some of the reactions I observed?
That would change the nature of the system. You can't just throw out comments and not expect them to change the way people act. If I want to do that, I'll do it. Otherwise, I'll keep the errant thoughts to myself and bring them up when they seem important.

Also, I'm not withholding information. At least, not how you are implying. I am withholding information by not telling you my role or any other hidden mod details. Just as you are doing the same. My wayward thoughts about how people reacted to the various events of the game are not information. They are speculation at best. Placing importance on them means you're not thinking for yourself. You should be more concerned with my displayed actions than my inscrutable thoughts.


In unrelated news, the Neighbourhood cops group is weakened by the fact there is three of them, even if all three are town.
If you can't see how, I worry for you. How do you keep breathing?

[Darox]

That my attitude corresponded to a soft claim was evident?
Oh boy you are a barrel of laughs aren't you.
Maybe you should try to play the genius, it might stop you saying stupid shit like that. Try to find a soft claim please. Let me know when you find it. I'll be waiting.

Maybe when you do something respect-worthy I will have some respect for you. I don't really give a damn about your "buck up sonny" hardline attitude, and it's not going to make me respect you or change my attitude.

P.S. It's not mutual suspicion that is the weakening element. That helps, but it's the outside suspicion that really does it.

[Darox]

Try to find a soft claim please. Let me know when you find it. I'll be waiting.

I am withholding information by not telling you my role or any other hidden mod details.

I notice this because I analysed your behaviour according to your gentle suggestion:

You should be more concerned with my displayed actions than my inscrutable thoughts

Say what you like, if I were mafia and you were town I would steal your cookie n1.

Are you saying you

didn't

get a role pm? How are you playing in this game?

Riddle me this.
Which roles have the least to lose from lots of negative attention?
Hint#1: None of them are scum.
Hint#2: One of the roles is only included in bastard games, and the remainder range from very rare to incredibly common.

1.
Content:
Most important: Discussion of your beliefs about the alignments of other players and explanations for said beliefs.

Oh hey, I'm doing that. See if you can spot it.

2.
I don't want to hear your thoughts so I can sheep you, I want to hear them so I can read you.
If they happen to be well formed and give me ideas, so much the better.
This is much more important than avoiding perturbing other players so you can see if they keep up whatever behavior you think you see,
particularly since players' reactions to being called out for scummy actions tend to be telling.
The type of information I referred to you withholding is the type mentioned above;
That's the important information because we use it to actually figure out who the scum are.

Why not read what thoughts I have already given out, rather than these nebulous super thoughts that I have obviously used to deduce the entire setup of the game?

@Darox: The "I'm going to sit back and observe other people's behavior and contribute nothing of my own" strategy nonsense is something that used to be drummed out of people in newbie games. Is this not the case anymore? At worst, you're coasting scum, and at best you're a townie that's distracting everyone. I'm leaning towards the latter, but it's such a fine fucking line right now.

You're exactly right, although I don't know about the newbie games, having not played in one in over two years. They seem to have instead adopted the "This is the divine list of scumtells. If someone does something that kinda looks like something on the list, they are definitely scum." strategy.

[Darox]

You can post an empty post to snipe it and then edit in the vote count.

[Darox]

Reading comprehension helps a lot in this game.

I specifically pointed out scum as an entire group who has a lot to lose from gaining undue attention.

[Darox]

i have decided to disclose that i am also investigation immune. if someone were to check me, it would be revealed as 'no alignment'.


so, 4 investigative immune ppl...
wtf...

What did you think you stood to gain from this?

Also, showing up as 'no alignment' is very different from what reportedly happens to the neighbour group.

[Darox]

Gog Daaaaaaaamn there is way too much pointless verbosity going on.
Do you really need to fill up the entire page with responses furcolow? (Hint: No)

Vote: Andrew

Why? That unprompted softclaim was awful.
Why would he show up as "No Alignment" when we already have 3 people verifying that they are investigation immune by virtue of showing up as "Girl's club"?

Failing that, I am always up for lynching furcolow. Even if he's a bulletproof-doctor-cop, I think it would be pro-town to lynch him as soon as possible.

[Darox]

and the blank cookie is prob a blank alignment, because i believe cops check the cookies that you have. and the cookies are your life.

if you read the first page, a cookie goes missing = someone dies

So you don't actually know if you're investigation immune and you're just assuming it?
And yet you claimed to be investigation immune unprompted?

I hate you.

[Darox]

Why would there be a blank cookie?
The premise of the game is that each person has a named cookie, which is why people have to leave if their specific cookie gets eaten. If there are blank cookies floating around it why would anyone get removed?

Plus the fact that you claimed unprovoked to bolster support for the fact there are uninvestigable roles in the game makes me feel like you are scum claiming to cover for a buddy.
Zed trying to dismiss the colours case outright for false reasons would make a good third.

[Darox]

Addendum: Having extra cookies only makes sense as a scum role.

Each person had 1 cookie. There are no spares, or people would not have had to leave. Thus, the only place to get extra cookies would be by stealing them from the cookie basket.

[Darox]

Sup Llamarble, good to see you're jumping on to support the most popular bandwagon.
I notice I am vote #2 on said wagon.

My favourite part is how you basically tell me off for coasting and then mimic my response to Andrew.

[Darox]

It's a good point that 3 lives is too many for an SK, but 2 would be reasonable and claiming 3 might cause everyone to give up on lynching him after one try.
Maybe we should just leave Andrew alone for now and lynch him if it becomes mylo.
Since he's either lying or wouldn't die, he would be an ideal lynch in that situation.
That makes the quandary he's put us in useful while not giving scumandrew a free ride to victory.

UNVOTE; VOTE DAROX

Darox is the scummiest player in the game.
His only meaningful action so far is a vote on Andrew.
The rest of his posts are all active lurking,
and rather than become indignant against accusations against him he has persistently done nothing and waited for them to go away
or tried to laugh them off.
We are getting near deadline, and I believe we should lynch Darox.
I'll vote PI in a deadline situation if necessary (we have 4 days left, and no lynching is just bad).

Using what amounts to a no-lynch in mlylo is a terrible idea and you should feel deep, burning shame for ever thinking otherwise.

[Darox]

why is no lynch in a mylo situation a bad idea? I only ask because I have NL in mylo situations before

Unless you've got a fistful of confirmed power roles, it just puts you even closer to "Definitely LYLO" or "Oops, turns out that was LYLO, game over guys"

[Darox]

So does anyone actually believe Andrew's incredibly flimsy role claim?

[Darox]

What were you doing while you got spied upon?

[Darox]

Oh hey so Llamarble is defending Shotty from investigation for terrible reasons. "Unless it sounds scummy", are you for real?

Yeah, no. Give the reveal.

[Darox]

yeah, well, rob, I have asked one question: why didn't you (plural) tell us yesterday that only one of you would receive reports? Did you even know that?

and by asking a question I mean ASKING A QUESTION. Answer better be good.

You earn a new respect tier: BOTTOM OF THE BARREL AND FALLING
You gain 20 disappointment points.

They did state that, clearly, several times.

[Darox]

furclow, what was I supposed to do, my very first post say my result? I was literally going to bed when I saw this game open.
fuck you also because I was the one saying we shoudl go with the suggestion that people on here made investigating shotty, I threw out some other names of people I was suspicious of for thoughts on choosing somebody else. if you had people you were suspicious of you shoudl have said so.

The deal was town was going to lead us who to choose and 2 people chose shotty so that is why we went with shotty.

Hungry Harold

is what shotty's name is

and you were 100% sure ivy was scum saying you would even quit mafiascum and you would offer yourself up to by lynched and look at you now. You are voting me when you told me in the QT that you didn't think I was scum anymore.

you are such a shady charachter man.

now I am going to work and by going to work furclow I mean GOING TO WORK

Oh hey Hungry Harold sounds like someone we should lynch. Works for me.

And in related news, Furcolow proves he's not as good as he thinks he is.

[Darox]

And to round this post trio off,

Vote: drmyshottywhydidyouchoosethisgodawfulname

[Darox]

Maybe you should try not jumping on baby bandwagon to try and dodge your way clear of damning role evidence.

[Darox]

What were you doing while you got spied upon?

Why does this seem like role fishing to me?

It's not.

I'm blatantly asking him.

[Darox]

how is that damning at all? I am a town role and that is my name

Please don't try the "Too mind bogglingly retarded to be scum" tactic, I'm not in the mood.

[Darox]

Exactly, ROLE FISHING!

Please don't try the "Too mind bogglingly retarded to be scum" tactic, I'm not in the mood.

Whoops, too slow.

[Darox]

Because I thought he was suspicious and I wanted to see what he would say.

But then you revealed you jailbroke him and everyone got distracted, and the opportunity was lost.

[Darox]

darox how does my role name make me scum?

Cookie Thieves are eating other peoples cookies
Hungry Harry suggests someone who eats more than their fair share of cookies
Therefore Hungry Harry = Cookie Thieves

A five year old could have come to that deduction.

I'm not saying you are 100% confirmed scum, but it's enough for me to vote you.

[Darox]

I jailbroke him?

I can't be bothered finding all numerous the posts where you and your buddies implied that you are a team jailkeeper/namecop.

[Darox]

Have you ever wondered that perhaps I'm bold because I'm Darox?

Just curious.

[Darox]

Have you ever wondered that perhaps I'm bold because I'm Darox?

Just curious.

Ok, this is how it works. You do something brilliant and THEN you start being bold and self-confident. For now, you are just being useless.

@Zed: well, yeah, it is possible... so you think there was only one town aligned player in the GC - the one whose lynch I pushed - and the other two are scum... definitely possibile, why not? Actually, the two attempts by furco at lynching rob never became bw's... I can only say I hope this is not the case...

@Rob: should we lynch Hungry Harold?

@furco's new claim: omfg,

I sure hope this setup was reviewed by someone.

You keep being meek and filled with self doubt, and I'll be waiting for when you do something brilliant like that. In the mean time, I'll keep being awesome.


Furcolow: What's the flavour justification for you losing your vote?

[Darox]

@furco: you did change your mind like 100 times about rob. Please, now concentrate on Shot, summon your best grammar-skills and post your opinion about the half-case we are discussing.

Wow, what a fucking waste of time!

Tell us the flavour justification for why you lose your vote instead. It'd be more productive than repeating the same 2 sentences again.

[Darox]

Furcolow: What's the flavour justification for you losing your vote?

Still waiting.

[Darox]

im not going to state the way im losing my vote... how the hell does it help town to lose a town vote
i already stated that it was through someone dying

You just stated the mechanics.

The flavour doesn't change anything, it just gives us an indication of how much bullshit you are spewing, because flavour is harder to fake.

[Darox]

I wish I had a multishot day vig.

How about this:
drshotty kills himself.
We then lynch furcolow.

Quality of town improves by 400%

[Darox]

New plan.

drshotty kills himself.
We lynch Furcolow.
Then we nightkill andrew.

Quality improvement: 600%

[Darox]

Newest plan.

Daykill: andrew

[Darox]

Oh right, Andrew has that extra lifes claim bullshit.

Whatever, totally worth it.

[Darox]

Deleted by mod.

[Darox]

Well done on your amazing deduction.
I was making fun of Andrew for his stupid comments. What a shocker. Then you all made equally stupid comments, and I made fun of you for that as well.
Notice the pattern?

[Darox]

Mod:

I am now formally asking you to modkill him

There is no "Don't be meeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" rule.
You've got a vote you know.

Failing that you can prove your bluff and kill yourself.

[Darox]

What is equally dumb is overreacting to the word daykill, and you've proved you can sink that low already.

[Darox]

That is a site wide rule, it doesn't need to be stated

Please quote for me the relevant text. I'm sure you will have no trouble doing this.

[Darox]

I'm sure you will have no trouble doing this.

So do you give up yet, or are you going to pretend this exchange didn't happen?

Because there's no rules against faking a day ability.

[Darox]

Yes, I'm making fun of your play, because you keep taking obvious jokes as serious business, and assuming things as facts when they clearly are not.

Rather than just say "That's dumb you're doing it wrong here is irrefutable proof" I prefer making jokes about your mistakes while provoking you to try and find proof of your 'facts', thus leading you to realize how silly you look, because I think it's more interesting that way.

Instead you are getting royally upset and crying for modkills.

Way to go, champ.

[Darox]

Darox, could you please list all the "irrefutable proofs" town failed to see?

The fact that faking an ability is not against any rules what so ever, and I can quote the entirety of the game rules AND site rules to prove that.
It was a joke making fun of how absurd Andrew's responses to my 'plan' were. If people flip the fuck out when they see an unconfirmed day ability, they have no one to blame but themselves.

I will not be lynched this game... it cant happen.

Why then why not save us the bother and kill yourself now so we can spend the rest of the day finding someone else to lynch?

[Darox]

Uh huh.

Well, you keep weaselling and praying that nobody calls your bluff, and I'll keep voting you.

[Darox]

I think I'm going to do what I did on day 1, which was let your confirmation bias ruin your 'case' on me.

P.S. I didn't flip out and start hunting for scum on my wagon because I'm not retarded.

[Darox]

I am scum because I commit scummy actions.
I commit scummy actions because I am scum.

Real convincing. Why bother defending myself when you can do it for me?

[Darox]

There are at least 3 other people who think shottys name plus his total lack of input is enough to justify their vote. Are all of these people committing "strong scumtells"? There is also a world of difference between my posts and shottys posts. Why do you think someone having differing opinions on the pair of us is wrong?

And tell you what. You don't make any mistakes by jumping to conclusions or using faulty logic, and I don't make fun of you for jumping to conclusions or using faulty logic. Simple, right?

[Darox]

Apparently I'm still in this game. How about that.
I forgot to say V/LA for the christmas period.

Let's read the apparently limitless bulletpoints that this thread has ballooned into.

[Darox]

Oh, and Llamarble, you are thinking too hard.

I don't cultivate a public image to play mafia with, it's a waste of time and effort. Instead I just let my personalities run their course and let other people make wild assumptions about my play. It's much easier and a lot more entertaining for me.

[Darox]

We string up drmyshottyhasaterriblename, either his bluff is called and we get a scum/third party lynch, or he suicides and we still have a noose left over for someone else.

HOW IS THIS NOT WIN/WIN?

[Darox]

so because girls club can investigate and find role names, we're just going to assume that no other investigative role exists?

Nope. We're going on the basis that the entire girls club claimed they show up as "Girls Club" for alignment rather than scouts or cookie thieves.

[Darox]

@Anyone voting for anyone that isn't Shottymydrcan'tspell
Why do you disagree with forcing shotty to take a hard stand before lynching your person of choice?

[Darox]

Oh hey it's dr realizing the wagon might swing back onto him, so he's wildly flailing about trying to lure it somewhere else before his bluff is called.

HOW ABOUT THAT, HUH?

[Darox]

Oh hey it's dr realizing the wagon might swing back onto him, so he's wildly flailing about trying to lure it somewhere else before his bluff is called.

HOW ABOUT THAT, HUH?

Darox, I tried to protect you, but you haven't exactly been making yourself look town at all. I had to claim now to protect and it's ridiculous. Start being productive and more input please. Trying to make up stupid excuses like "Gut-feelings" to try to justify why I was trying to protect you made me look scummy and you won't even try to look town.

Why are you trying to protect me?

You've either got a cop read on me or you don't think I'm scum. That's all the justification you need.

I think forcing shotty to prove his role is in the best interests of the town. I am vocalizing this, and pointing out scummy actions shotty is doing to try and avoid having his bluff called. This is called being productive and providing input. Notice how I do not need bulletpoints or a wall of text to do so.

Your town/scum list smells terrible and unless you're claiming you have a supercop power it's nowhere near as black and white as you're making it out to be.

[Darox]

Hey Don John, have you considered the idea that we could lynch shotty, who is also full of shit, and then we either have a guaranteed scumlynch, or we can then go on and lynch someone else at no loss to the town?

[Darox]

Treestump is a rather genius fake claim. 3 player scum team would make this lylo if shotty is town. I think ell is better lynch atm.

No, 9 players - 3 scum =/= LYLO.

Try again.

[Darox]

Oh Llamarble, you're so adorable with your mining gear. Pity your tunnel hit bedrock.

Read his post again, the point was the last word of each sentence spelt out "Darox is Townie"

[Darox]

And the fact that Darox picked out one misinterpretation,
in the midst of a sea of conclusive evidence of Elleranscum,
makes me completely certain that he is an Elleranbuddy.

You are so cute Llamarble.

Where do you even get good quality pickaxes like that anymore.

[Darox]

Here's the thing guys if we get to dead line and I'm L-1 I will suicide, and then the day will still be at dead line!

Oh boy look at this pro town agenda!

Let's lynch him now.

[Darox]

Oh hey this entire game is filled with Flighty Broads.

It's like a bunny exhibit with all these hops.

[Darox]

Can you please try to not act so goddamn stupid?

It's seriously not hard to do.

[Darox]

How's that thick headed rigid code of laws working out for you Llamarble?

[Darox]

I think it makes me about 30% more awesome than I already am.

I'm not too bothered about it. It might make Llamarble stop being stupid and get out of his tunnel, but he's shown he's pretty resilient to changing his mind.

[Darox]

darox
top 3 scum top 3 town go
(while i go to bed!)

Top 3 scum
1: Drican'tbelievei'mtypingoutthisfuckingterriblenameyetagain
2: Don't know
3: Don't care
Top 3 Town
1: Myself
2: DJ Scully
3: Mr. Foster

unvote, vote furc

Goddamn do you get itchy if your vote is left on one person for more than an hour or something? The reasons why we should lynch shotty BEFORE ANYONE ELSE, REGARDLESS OF RESPECTIVE PERCEIVED SCUM LEVELS are still present.

@Darox: ok man, I already said I thought you were town, and now I am leaning towards believing Elleran's claim - even though you don't trust him. The two main differences between my reading and your reading regard Elleran and Shotty. Convince me about Shotty. And tell me what is your reading of DJ, because he is the one player you almost had no interaction with.

When did I say that I do or do not trust Elleran?
Shotty is without a doubt the best lynch today, because A: If he's lying about his role, it's a 100% scum/third party lynch, and B: If he's not, he suicides and then WE STILL HAVE A LYNCH FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
DJ is a guy who doesn't read and doesn't speak up much. I don't really like him.

[Darox]

To me I'm fine with shotty but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen and furc is acting like he is confirmed town, which he isn't

As long as idiots vote for elleran we aren't going to get a lynch with anyone

It's not going to happen if you and the Flighty Broad brigade keep flitting from vote to vote so that we never get a majority.

[Darox]

Yes, those are the two possible options. Way to state the obvious, champ.

We don't need to decide this before we lynch Shotty.

What's the point of this again?

[Darox]

Oh... I just realized something.

Perhaps some of the people who are accepting my claim so easily are scum. Because they know that I can be easily NK'ed and dealt with during the night, they can say 'I believe him' and pursue an easier target for the day. >__>

Any thoughts on this theory?

I think debating this for either side is a massive waste of time.

[Darox]

If you're not scum you should suicide right away, because that's the optimal outcome of that situation, rather than stalling and wasting the towns time.
If you were scum, however, stalling and trying to see if the bandwagon will dissolve would be the best course of action for hurting the town.

[Darox]

No, bombing us with a case would just end up stalling and wasting more town time.

In this situation where we can get a free lynch, it's optimal for the town to take it. Even if shotty is town, it's best for the majority if he suicides.

[Darox]

No, bombing us with a case would just end up stalling and wasting more town time.

In this situation where we can get a free lynch, it's optimal for the town to take it. Even if shotty is town, it's best for the majority if he suicides.

Addendum: The only time shotty NOT suiciding would be pro town is if someone had a cop investigation on him TODAY clearing him.

That is not the case, so he should suicide.

[Darox]

Yes, hurry up and do it already.

God damn.

[Darox]

Sooner or later you're going to have to accept that other people play differently from you Llamarble.
Sometimes they do things that do not seem optimal or correct to you.

I am perpetually disappointed by my fellow town members in this fashion. Wish some broader perspective and relieving yourself of the mining gear, you can be as well!

[Darox]

Nobody.

I think everyone here is town, and we just need to wait for the mod to come in and declare a pacifist victory.

[Darox]

Hey lewarcher, my name is Brave Bob.

QUICK THEORIZE WHAT IT COULD MEAN GOGOGOGOGO.

I guess I better reread and pick a name out of a hat to vote for. Either that or vote Llamarble, but that seems like a waste of a lynch.

[Darox]

Vote: Zed

Scum.

[Darox]

Interesting move, Darox, I was thinking about it as well, and I may agree with your vote, later I will explain why and cast my vote.

Oh boy this doesn't fill me with warm happy vibes at all.

[Darox]

Interesting move, Darox, I was thinking about it as well, and I may agree with your vote, later I will explain why and cast my vote.

Oh boy this doesn't fill me with warm happy vibes at all.

I totally agree with this, he better have a damn good explanation when he does post.

Darox - do you think we will learn more from a Zed lynch than we would from an Andrew lynch? if yes, Why do you think so?

Zed, which is why I am voting her.

I don't particularly doubt Andrew at this point. Even if we did get a flip for him, rather than just a short blurb saying he didn't die, I think lynching Zed would be more productive.

[Darox]

@rob, elleran , zed. how about if i get lynched today and dont die u guys have to listen to whatever i say (aka im the king)

Considering you appear to be 14, no thanks.

[Darox]

It'd actually be 16. Either way I'm not terribly impressed, and think letting you take the reins is pretty much the worst idea ever.

[Darox]

^what use is a confirmed town if you dont follow him

Confirmed town does not equal person who knows what the hell they are doing.

[Darox]

As for the ML: if it is the will of town, I will accept Elleran's lynch (even Darox, who is Elleran's clear, is not moving a muscle to save him, so I guess he does not trust him, too).

That is a fucking terrible reason.
This combined with your incredibly ugly "I agree with Darox on Zed" deal makes me want to vote you.

Elleran is a bad lynch for today.

[Darox]

Because it's abundantly clear why.

Elleran is a claimed power role. If we lynch him, that leaves the mafia kill open for someone else (Like say, a confirmed townie)
If we leave him, the mafia has a messier night time, which is always good for everybody that isn't the mafia.
The possibility that Elleran is scum is very low in my eyes.

[Darox]

I think lynching Andrew is a bad idea.

Why do you think I would go through with that.

[Darox]

Outright refusing =/= Hesitation.

[Darox]

Yes.
Well done.

I find both of them to be less lynchworthy than Zed.

Which is why I am voting Zed and not either of them.

[Darox]

I didn't like your comments on Zed BECAUSE I had said nothing other than "scum" and you immediately chirped up with "Oh yeah I totally agree with Darox and can see where he's coming from."

[Darox]

Being the first person on a wagon and pushing it from a standstill is bussing now?
Please try to get some perspective.

I'll make up some reasons for voting Zed when I can be bothered, probably after lunch.

[Darox]

Let's try the direct question: why are you voting Zed?

Oh hey turns out I still wasn't bothered, even after lunch.
I'm voting Zed because I think she is scum. Amazing, isn't it?
Her posts rub me the wrong way, and I've already commented on some of them beforehand. (See: Her throwing out the colours case because the role colours were revealed after the fact, me calling her out on that being bullshit, her denying she ever threw it out)

She's my top pick for scum, and I think lynching either of Elleran or Andrew today is a tactical blunder for the town.

So, in conclusion:
I'm voting for Zed because I don't like the letter Z and the voices in my head told me to kill her.

[Darox]

Oh hey another good reason to lynch Zed, to prevent her from reaching LYLO and instantly losing us the game.
As for

Darox pushing Zed could easily be bussing because his wagon on her does not appear to have chances of actually lynching so there's not much cost to Daroxscum (though Zed would be my second choice lynch after Elleran).

It'd have a better chance if you hopped on board. How about it?

[Darox]

Hey everybody. So we're doing the massclaim, good, I support that.
However, the nature of my power means I want to be the last person to claim. Think of it like a watcher.

I notice that none of the dead have had their role revealed, just their name and alignment. This screws things up slightly for town.

[Darox]

claim survivor

sup

Full claim, thanks.

[Darox]

Asking for full claim indicates you're not getting away with trying to claim nothing but 'survivor'

[Darox]

So, can someone recap for me all the claims?

Although I think Don Johnson calling out Llamarble is pretty damn compelling, I still want to see if I can wring anything out of my power.

[Darox]

Man what.

[Darox]

Well that was stupid.

Stand by what I said day 1 or 2 or whenever.

Lynching Furcolow is always protown, no matter what role he has.