Mini 1720 Number Mafia | Endgame snuggles

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How was I not first....

VOTE: Mollie

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Only scum need sleep...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

bbt seems suss tbh

He does?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm...

VOTE: DRK

[BlueBloodedToffee]

yes bbt seems suss

Why haven't you moved your vote?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hrmph

What style are you going to be playing in this game?

Say what now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anti, why not DRK?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thoughts on DRK's entrance Esp?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you going to vote me anytime soon or keep testing the waters?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Seems apt given his relation to the other players in the game. Decidedly null.

I'm going to disagree and say that it's a scummy entrance and sets the bar pretty low in terms of what we can expect from him in this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

thats what mollie gets for denying me attention

OK, but, don't you want to lynch scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

another question omg

You're going to see a lot of them...I hope you don't mind?

I'm wondering why your vote hasn't moved onto me? I mean, RVS is over soooooo, you either unvote or you vote me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's scummy because he is purposefully setting low expectations - which means he won't be contributing much, which means it's harder to catch him if he's scum.

He is by far and away the scummiest player in this game so far and deserves some votes.

DRK poked me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I do not.

Do you have a town read on DRK?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

maybe 'moderately firm tap' would better describe it?

I don't think he spoke to me at all...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i will vote you out of policy

You most certainly will not.

I regularly don't contribute much. :/

You're missing the point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just did.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whoops my bad, I was referring to his first post. You know, the post I voted him for.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

MTD, thoughts on DRK?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Right, but it's unusual at the very start of a game.

It sets a bad precedent - a scummy precedent if you ask me.

MTD, do you disagree with my reasoning for voting DRK?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

yes I do, I think it's heavily overanalysing a lazy start-of-game post.

I realise that you haven't played with me before - so I'm just going to let this slide.

This is very silly, but I think you already know that. Let's both vote antihero instead

Vote: Antihero

I don't know that - can you explain why it's silly?

I have no interest in voting Anti.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There it is...the delayed vote.

How scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

have you looked at any of the people's metas in this game? just curious because of your sig ya know

LOL. No.

Lets not forget you arguing her in to a position of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Then not leaving any room for benefit if the doubt. bc that is a scum minded trap.

This is getting interesting now.

What you're doing here is misrepping me. Had Ducks voted me when she expressed her disliking of my posts, I would have had no problem with the vote. I quite clearly asked her to make her mind up.

However, she didn't. What she DID do is wait to see what the reaction was to her pushing me, and

then

she voted. This is scummy.

Your misrepping is scummier though. Here, have a vote;

VOTE: Esp

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're right, I would have. As soon as she didn't vote me when she was expressing suspicion of my slot it started to ping me.

Posturing behind a read/vote like that is scummy - no matter how you look at it.

You're quite clearly misrepping me though as I feel like I gave Ducks plenty of time to put her money where her mouth is and she didn't do it.

PEdit - You think I'm 'heavily overanalysing' but this is how I play. You wouldn't understand that because we've never played together before.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So you're saying you always heavily overanalyse everything.

At the start of a game, yes.

Ok, then why did you make out like the end result was scummy in and of itself if she had already secured the scumread from you?

Because it was? I mean, you're acting as if I had no problem with Ducks before she voted me and we both know that's not the case. I'm naturally defensive, so once somebody votes me I just go full speed ahead and start attacking back.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

She voted you, you've never voted her, and she's the posturer in this fight? I don't think so.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

You obviously don't understand what's going on. Ducks was clearly posturing before voting me - she threw out that she didn't like my posting to test the waters and see how other people reacted to that. Once she had some support, she voted. I feel like I made my position more than clear on Ducks so I'm not sure how you think I'm posturing.

This is your second bad vote on the run.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ahw I missed RVS?

I'm not really scumreading BBT over his thing with lala. I kinda agree she could have voted earlier, but I also don't agree with a scumread on her, she feels like she's trying to figure things out and wasn't afraid to get us out of RVS. I like that.

MTD: why were you afraid of a wagon forming on Espeonage?

What do you think about Esp's role in the discussion between myself and Ducks?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

what even is 'posturing'? is that a real word..

i clearly had espe's support much before i voted, bubbly. did it seem i had more support at the time i voted than when espe first tried to convince me to vote you? because i don't think the situation you describe is completely accurate regarding the timing.

Posturing is what I have been describing in my posts.

Right, you did have Esp's support much before you voted - it would have been way too obvious to vote straight away, no? The fact you recognise this tells me it was something you were paying attention to. You couldn't risk voting straight away because then you would have been under fire from people asking why you only voted me once Esp voted. You needed to allow some time to pass by - to make your decision seem legit.

also not liking the constituents of bubbletea's wagon very much but ehhh

another thing, bbt seems slightly less suss than he did before

You're not liking my wagon? Wanna expand on that?

What does the second sentence mean? What does that tell you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I asked lala to vote with me because I wanted a snappish wagon, so I figured a voting bloc of the aussies might be a decent way to make it happen.

We already had a wagon forming if you wanted a 'snappish wagon'...why not join that one?

not entirely happy with lala, but her logic is better than bbt's.

Her logic of 'BBT is using too many ellipses'...welcome to the scum pile.

oh for fucks sake wanderer is scum too.....

I'm not seeing this.

bbt is probs scum for talking lala in to a lose-lose situation when she really wasn't being that bad.

Continue misrepping me.

Why is MTD town? Reading at work earlier I saw something that pinged me from the slot.

What pinged you Bella?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

truthfully i didn't really like espe telling me what to do because it's not like i work for him you know

But you did it anyway, soooo...

alright
i'm not liking bubbletea's wagon
no me gusta el wagon de bbt
i mean
espeonage is pretty sketch?? (what the heck that claim oh man)
and all alone first had a single naked vote then changed it to bbt and didn't really comment much on the gamestate! yay lurkerers
then there's me and i'm okay but a bit silly sometimes so idk might not be able to trust lala

And yet, there you are still sitting on me wagon despite there being a wagon on one of the people you dislike who is on my wagon. Logic?

Otherwise, he kind of looks like tryhard scum.

I can't stand this bullshit - why is try harding scummy? So what, I like to start the game and get it moving as quickly as possible. Anybody who has played with me knows this is what I do, regardless of alignment.

Jar Jar Drinks is town. MTD might be scum.

Explanations for reads would be just fantastic.

Scumreads on lalalaGIRAFFE, MTD and I'll sheep Anti and go with Wanderer for a third.

VOTE: lalalaGIRAFFE

Again, explanations would be great.

hiya dv!!

uh i'm just not seeing how the vt claim is helpful to town atm? but the claim isn't the only reason i think he's sketch. he's also australian and all of those people are weird!

but espe's place in the 'discussion' as bubbletea says, between him and me, was a little strange imo. espe did appear somewhat overzealous in taking my side although i don't think he had great reason to because i'm pretty suss if i do say so myself tbh. am a bit paranoid about being buddied because scumbumbles always buddy me and it usually works out great for them

should note that MTD also seems a bit sketch atm.. dancing around those votes like a jolly leprechaun and all

Is this one of those times where scum are FoS their buddy but voting town? Me thinks so.

Really, you have a problem with MTD now? I wonder if that has anything to do with multiple people expressing their dislike of the MTD slot as well...

VOTE: dv

it hurts.

ducky is a pretty good lynch too.

This is going to be a game where nobody explains shit and I just continually bang my head against a wall trying to work out what the fuck is going on.

I don't agree that you made your position clear. You said

As soon as she didn't vote me when she was expressing suspicion of my slot it started to ping me.

which lalala first did in 12, and even though you were arguing with her the whole time I see no indication that you had any suspicion on her at all until 79,

after she actually voted.

Considering that your explanation for your suspicion of her is that you found her lack of vote scummy, it really doesn't seem genuine that you'd wait until after the vote to go on the attack.

Really? I had no problem with Ducks not voting me?

Spoiler: BBT's very clear problem with Ducks not voting him

yes bbt seems suss

Why haven't you moved your vote?

Are you going to vote me anytime soon or keep testing the waters?

another question omg

You're going to see a lot of them...I hope you don't mind?

I'm wondering why your vote hasn't moved onto me? I mean, RVS is over soooooo, you either unvote or you vote me.

Welcome to the scum pile.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yo BBT, do you think Bella and DV would make a good scum pairing? And if so who would be a good third member of that?

I don't have an opinion on either of them yet. I'll need time to develop a read on Bella especially because I think I have scum read her every single time we have played together and I need to learn to stop doing that shit.

You have reasons to believe they're scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mollie, can you talk about your reads on DV and Ducks please?

Also, why am I town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you tell me your thoughts on Esp as well?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think you would have more chance of working it out if you joined his wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I find it hard to believe I'm your top town read...can you talk about that please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That must the be the first time I have ever been town read for aggression. I mean, it's completely null as I'm aggressive as either alignment, but usually (like 95% of the time) people will scum read me for it so I'm not sure what to make of you town reading me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't mean this in a demeaning way or anything, but are you normally this grumpy? I mean, your complaints about me seem pretty far-fetched, and as I said, most of my stated reads shouldn't be too hard to work out based on my posts.

If you're referring to my comments about 'try-harding' then yeah, I'm always that grumpy. It's a real pet hate of mine and some people think that it's a valid reason to scum read someone. It's not. Some people are just more serious than others.

I have complaints about you? All I said was you didn't provide reasons for your reads (I went back through your ISO and I can see that you did elude to them after the fact), other than that I don't think I've said a whole lot else so I'm not sure I understand your far-fetched comment?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: All Alone

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can we get some votes on All Alone?

Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

y r u being so bad?

I mean, if you can't see that All Alone is scum I'm not sure what I can do for you...

okay

we are lynching anti

VOTE: antihero

This is bad - I thought you said Scum!Anti wouldn't push you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

you shld be an easy read but I honestly don't get your push on me and it feels scummy cos you haven't tried to sort my alignment and no, you haven't. it is a tawdry push and you shld know it.

UNVOTE:

I am not interested in a 1v1 if you want to contiue with your dumb push by all means carry on but I am town and I mostly worried about my flip looking bad on you.

This post hurt my head reading it - why exactly have you changed your mind on Anti again? I mean, I feel like Anti has been more than clear about his position on you and you're just continually trying to hand wave it away. You say his push is scummy and then you unvote him...I had to read that like 3 times to make sure I wasn't missing something.

Then you go on to speak to him like you're town reading him and you're worried how your flip will look on him...seriously? I think you've been playing Mafia long enough to know that if Anti pushed you for 30 pages and you did flip town, that would hardly make Anti confscum as you seem to be implying.

I really need you to clear up your read/position on Anti.

That response seemed town to me.

It did? What made you think it was town?

Antihero, I am about to move my vote, but the startling inconsistencies from mollie make me cautious. I feel like she'd be able to avoid that degree of messy play as scum. Overall I'm still scumreading her though, but it almost seems too easy.

Does it hurt sitting on that fence?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your play and your reads all feel manufactured.

My biggest issue is 257 after your changes in read on Anti. There you acknowledge your slow start to the game, yet earlier (246), you act as if there's no way town-Anti scumreads you. The timing of the unvote is also suspicious. You don't have a higher priority target, nor is Antihero in danger of getting lynched. You also worry about your flip looking bad on Anti when you haven't really decided what your read of him is yet.

You talk about running up ducks, though your one comment is not really going to achieve that.

Though probably at least half of my scumread on you is trust in Antihero's read.

This seems like you should be voting Mollie...and it also doesn't really fit with your previous post where you fence sat to the max. What are the reasons for you doubting your scum read?

VOTE: lala

Naked votes are just the best. Why?

@antihero, what do u think of DRK?

and same question for everyone. Check my ISO for reasoning.

I don't have much of an opinion on him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think your case on DRK rests on inconsistencies but I'm not sure those inconsistencies are scummy. You have a valid point with regards to the 'misguided' comment - I would assume he was town reading the people he was speaking about and I have no idea how he would be town reading Bella and MTD so, yeah, colour me confused on that one. I'll await his response to you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you genuinely had a reason to think I'm scum, I'm pretty sure you'd be able to think of something more convincing than just whining that the votes aren't magically all on me because you said so.

I mean, you're voting and reasoning has been pretty terrible so far so once people start paying attention to you I'm sure you'll start picking up votes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am a scumlord.

But not this game.

Your wagon won't be a vanity wagon for long - trust me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you want me to deliver?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Deas, I have stated why I think All Alone is scum - you must not be reading.

PEdit - Wanderer, it was sarcastic but I wanted your reasoning.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pretty sure now that MTD is town btw.

(sorry MTD)

You are? I mean, he really hasn't done much sooo...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, actually, it does. You can't just magically generate reads on people who aren't doing anything.

Hey, I think SithLord is town!

See?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Deas, read this post and tell me All Alone isn't scum taking an opportunity to jump on my wagon.

You have to say it with a straight face as well.

I don't agree that you made your position clear. You said

As soon as she didn't vote me when she was expressing suspicion of my slot it started to ping me.

which lalala first did in 12, and even though you were arguing with her the whole time I see no indication that you had any suspicion on her at all until 79,

after she actually voted.

Considering that your explanation for your suspicion of her is that you found her lack of vote scummy, it really doesn't seem genuine that you'd wait until after the vote to go on the attack.

Really? I had no problem with Ducks not voting me?

Spoiler: BBT's very clear problem with Ducks not voting him

yes bbt seems suss

Why haven't you moved your vote?

Are you going to vote me anytime soon or keep testing the waters?

another question omg

You're going to see a lot of them...I hope you don't mind?

I'm wondering why your vote hasn't moved onto me? I mean, RVS is over soooooo, you either unvote or you vote me.

Welcome to the scum pile.

Look at his reasoning for voting me. Look at me smashing his reasoning to pieces. Look at him still leaving his vote on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I voted Lala on impulse - I don't like it when people attack me. Especially when I had already seen it coming from a few pages before she actually did it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I voted Lala on impulse - I don't like it when people attack me. Especially when I had already seen it coming from a few pages before she actually did it.

Umm, so, I haven't voted Lala. My bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, he is, because the base of his vote is that I had no problem with Lala prior to her voting me.

Which I clearly did. On multiple occasions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't agree that you made your position clear

. You said

As soon as she didn't vote me when she was expressing suspicion of my slot it started to ping me.

which lalala first did in 12, and even though you were arguing with her the whole time

I see no indication that you had any suspicion on her

at all until 79,

after she actually voted.

Considering that your explanation for your suspicion of her is that you found her lack of vote scummy, it really doesn't seem genuine that you'd wait until after the vote to go on the attack.

Read the bolded. He's flat out lying.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so now that we've established that All Alone has no reason to be sitting on my wagon (a leading wagon no less), what the hell is he still doing there?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That is not an answer. My questioning of why Lala hasn't moved her vote should be quite a clear indication that I am not happy with her current posting/voting. I was obviously being too subtle about it.

I can't quite believe I'm having to explain this.

PEdit - @Jar - He is misrepping me. Scum misrep all the time, they don't intend on being caught.

@Mollie - Scum. All day long.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am very much putting effort into this game.

Can you get to where you're going please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Deas, Jar and Mollie are all positioning themselves to vote me.

This is disgusting. Like vultures circling around a carcass.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Catching up now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

so. have actually decided bbt doesn't look that bad. whereas mollie is just getting more and more susp

Why have these reads changed?

No, I'm much more inclined to vote for Mollie. You can relax for the time being. But is JarJar setting himself up to vote you, really? I don't see it.

OK, then you need to reread that interaction. When you're reading it, remember that I was supposedly JarJar's top town read at the time - when the pressure started piling on me, his tone and posting towards me started to subtly change.

holy cow am i actually going to get lynched as town?

I am not even going to fight it cos it is pretty freaking lulz worthy and will be talked about.

I haven't been lynched as town in 2 years. on d1? not since my first game that was run by myko.

I'd lynch this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

looks like some1 was donked on the head with the stupid stick GUESS WHAT IT ISN"T ME

and for once I will not stop you in your self-flagellation. <----- that is what you are gonna do if you are town.

Oh my, the AtE is strong with this one. Specifically appealing to Anti as well, when you're not even sure of his alignment? Please.

i'm newer than jarjar though?

not asking for a newb pass just noting that

ugh i do not like this at all man

Oh, really? What are you going to do about it? I mean, you're still sitting on the wagon so how bad can it be?

to the rest of the class, I saw a video with espy and dv playing f2f mafia and they are gorgeous. that is why i was waiting for them to read each other.

anti is being an idiot and some1 is going to have to resuscitate him after my flip cos I am telling you I know him and he will lose steam. he is wrong on me, but it doesn't mean he will be wrong on everything. I really don't think he wld come after me this hardcore unless he truly believed it, which indicates he is not scum. at least I think.

I think dv looks scummy but I always think this except for the 1 game I replaced out of where we were scum together. y'all are gonna have to sort him out

and I come to this point. I don't know about espy. I have gone back and forth a million times on him.

I can't tell if jar is buddying me or not.

I feel like drk knows my wagon is shit but isn't saying so. I also feel like he is trying to lay the groundwork to vote me but yaye!drk! I don't think he feels good about it. even as scum.

ducky feels very disengaged.

it is hard to play the game on the defensive cos it throws up a million false positives. I think my reads are decent tho so pple who have 2 brain cells to rub together might want to look at them.

To sum up all of these words - Anti could be town, but you're not sure (despite you very specifically appealing to him), Deas could be scum but you always scum read him so no help there, you don't know about Esp, you're trying to figure out if Jar is buddying you (nothing on his alignment then?), DRK read looks like you think he could be scum?, Lala is disengaged (what does this mean alignment wise?).

All of those words actually say very little and I'm left thinking 'What was the point of that post?'

Fro99er replaces SithLord84! Please

ribbit at

welcome him.

Hiiiii Fro99er!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Anti: to each their own but isoreading helps me pick up on things I may not notice when following the game as it goes. I usually look at inconsistencies when I scumhunt and because my memory isn't what it used to be, I sometimes need to refresh my memory.

What did you learn from your ISO reads?

am i lynched yet? plz tell me I am lynched. cos I am telling it will be funny. cos I AM TOWN.

This is tres fake.

PEdit - Deas, it wasn't a premature accusation, I think that's exactly what was about to happen (did you reread the interaction?) When scum get called out for lining up a vote, I find it makes them much more hesitant to actually commit because people can then see how they were building up to it.

Did you notice how instead of voting me, Mollie instead chose the line of 'Can we lynch BBT now'...why is she pushing me when she hasn't even committed her vote to me yet? Because of what I said, that's why.

Town don't care for such things, they just go ahead and do what they wanna do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pages 19-22 were fucking painful to read.

Wanderers spam posting is doing nothing for me - a lot of posting with very little information. The vote for JarJar was awful as well. What's your read on Mollie, Wanderer?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't remember but I think it was for something scummy. I actually came to unvote because I;m going to bed and I need to reread when I'm sober.

UNVOTE:

Yeah, Wanderer is a good lynch.

I change my town read on anti. that was a dick move to hammer before I get my big long post in. he doesn't give a shit about my alignment which points to scum anti.

Hahaha, THE oldest trick in the book. Mollie is scum.

VOTE: pirate mollie

The bus has arrived!

Mollie/Wanderer/All Alone. Any of these 3 are fine, fine lynches.

VOTE: Mollie

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Lala

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your defence of Mollie was, what's that word...ah yeah, scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That seems like a pretty bad vote.

I think you should join me in voting Lala.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wanderer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Both.

I think you're not taking into account the relationship between Anti and Mollie and I also think that scum!Anti would probably avoid taking on someone like Mollie D1 when he can just kill her instead.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anti, vote Lala?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you serious...you understand that if I was scum a role block would not stop me from performing a kill...right?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can do Wanderer.

PEdit - Lala, your defence of Mollie yesterday was super scummy.

@Anti - Really? A role-block stops someone from performing a kill? Well, shit, I didn't know that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How do you know this? Is factional kills a standard rule in these games?

I, wrongly, assumed that a roleblockers function was to stop someone from performing their role - i.e stop a cop from performing an investigation, stop a doc from protecting someone etc etc. I didn't realise it could stop scum from killing someone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

you've never been in a game w/ a town roleblocker?????????

Never even heard of it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anti, what do you mean by 'trap scum read'?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yup, I have obviously played with a JK. I don't see the point in a town roleblocker if it performs the exact same function as a JK though?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Indeed it is. I don't see scum doing that at all.

So, wanna vote Lala?

PEdit - OK, then how is a JK different from a town roleblocker?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wait, I'm being dumb. You can obviously stop people you think are town from dying if you're JK.

I'm so bad at this. This is why I avoid theme games.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't see the point you're trying to make?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, well I have no idea how to respond to that.

You either believe that I simply didn't know (forgot) or you don't. There isn't much else I can say. It's pretty embarrassing that I have forgotten about this more than once.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, I can see your point with the first link (though clearly I didn't know you could role-block kills then and that was dated a year after I had joined the site) as I have quite clearly asked before whether you can role-block kills.

Role-blocking instantly makes me think of being able to block roles - not kills.

I don't get the second link, can you explain it?

I don't get what the third link shows either?

I don't think there was a town roleblocker in any of those games was there?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

in the 2nd link you quoted TSO who said " I basically don't think pisskop would be sent to do the kill. I think that the risk of Salamence being a maverick and blocking him would be too great."

Nothing too incrinating but you quoted someone who is stating that scums kill can be blocked.

The third link seems self-explanatory. You specifically say that PRs can block kills.

OK, yeah as you say the 2nd link doesn't seem to show a whole lot.

The third link shows something completely different. I said PRs...not town roleblocker. PRs includes many different types of role.

You've been scum. Why do you think that scum has to designate an attacker?

Scum always have to designate a killer. Always.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your defence of Mollie was, what's that word...ah yeah, scummy.

Defense of Mollie?

Yeah, I'll show you when I finish catching up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

haha

suspicious

bubbletea >_>

It is? Why? I still don't get why my bad knowledge about roles is scummy. I bet if I could be bothered I could find a tonne of games that show me saying the same kind of things as

either

alignment. Bad role knowledge is not alignment indicative and it's funny how so many people are jumping at this.

I invited in 520, BBT made his Mollie push in 582-584 while I was asleep. Then I woke up and mentioned I slept on it and I had also seen BBT and I think it was DRK's posts that helped me think Mollie was off, thereby restarting the wagon. So I voted again in 587

This is pretty shitty...I was clearly catching up on the game during those posts. Had I been around at the time of Mollie's posting and had attacked her in real time, would my posting have been scummy then?

I don't *think* you're scum, because I think BBT might be given the night actions, but I'm not going to simply disregard anything either.

Why do you think I would be given the actions?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also think BBT helping to re-ignite the Mollie wagon is scummy.

Finally in frog g Maf he was more conversational despite being framed. He was more defensive here, and I think he made a reactionary mistake here about the roleblock not stopping kills. He was being framed in Frog Maf, but wasn't defensive/reactionary.

1st one - still pretty shitty reasoning.

2nd one - I don't see how I was a) more defensive and b) less conversational. Can you show the differences please?

Why the Ducky vote instead of wanderer or all alone?

I mean, I quite clearly stated why I was voting Lala. Surprisingly, Mollie's flip effected my reads of the game and I wanted to pursue where one of the roads it led me down.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Spoiler: um

ew

ummm

i don't like this

ugh now i don't really think mollie is that likely to be a scumbumble

gonna think about things but idk whether to move my vote or unvote or ehhhhhhhhh

well i wrote an unvote but then... nah guess i'll keep it there for now

no that's gross

fudge

what is this post even

should i even post this

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

will put in spoiler whatever

ugh i do not like this at all man

pedit: >: but i just ehhhhh.. not getting a good feeling about it. don't have much play experience with her though, to be fair. but i'm too lazy to look at her past games to determine if this has happened before.

OK, these first 3 posts are Lala expressing her dislike with the Mollie wagon - the problem is, she doesn't do anything about it. She's just like, 'aww man I'm so uncomfortable with this Mollie wagon but I'm not going to present any better options or actually state why my read is changing, instead, I'm just going to waffle about why I don't like it so that it's really easy to change my mind if I need to and I don't actually stop the momentum of the wagon.'

i started to get a bad feeling about lynching you but all you have done recently is shout 'i am TOWN' and about how it's going to be

hilarious

when you flip and tell us to pay attention to your reads - but i've examined them and i'm finding them somewhat unclear and not so easy to follow???

Then came the change of mind - Mollie is back to being an acceptable wagon. Again, Lala doesn't explain anything, she's just very waffly on the whole thing. It looks like she is trying to feign that she is reevaluating her reads.

Scum don't WK hard - I think people learnt a long time ago that it's a great way of getting yourself lynched. For the people who missed Lala defending Mollie - you're not looking closely enough. Scum try to appear unsure/uneasy about the wagon

without actually stopping it

. Which is exactly what Lala was doing.

The reason it stands out so much is that if you compare it to the way JarJar approached defending Mollie, they're worlds apart.

JarJar's is from a town perspective. Lala's is from a scum perspective.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lala, I wasn't using meta to prove anything - I was saying it's not alignment indicative.

Tell me, how does skill level correlate to knowledge about roles?

Nobodies using meta but you. Your response to my case is actually pretty bad and I hope to see you accumulate votes quickly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

a skilled player of the game mafia may be expected to be reasonably knowledgeable about the roles involved in the game of mafia?

It may be expected...that doesn't mean it's the case. I know about the basic roles that you see all the time but I have extremely limited knowledge of roles overall.

VOTE: wanderer

I'm finding every post by Wanderer scummy, and I think that could very well be a scum slip.

I'm not seeing the slip but it's a good vote regardless. I am concerned with how easily you left my wagon though...

You're misunderstanding what I'm asking.

WHY do you think the rule is that scum always has to designate an attacker? Cause if the attacker can't be blocked (which is what you thought) there doesn't seem to be much reason for there to be an attacker.

Oh right. I know attackers can be blocked - I didn't know that a ROLEblocker could stop a kill. I know a JK can stop a kill, I know a doctor can stop a kill, I know people can be tracked/watched etc, they would all be reasons for having to name who is doing the kill.

First impressions are that I don't like the wanderer wagon and still that BBT is scum but I haven't read properly.

Also I have problems with Fro but I don't know whether they're scummy or not. Will ask questions tomorrow!

All of these should be explained. What is wrong with Wanderer wagon? Why am I scum? What problems do you have with Fro99er?

bubbly is mostest suspiciousest in my opinion still!

You should absolutely talk about this and tell everyone why I am scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Messed up the last quote,

can you fix it please Mod?

<3

Fixed! <3 --P

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I guess nobody sees it.

Ok

Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Bye bye sheep

UNVOTE:

That didn't last long at all. I don't know what you're up to Fro99er but I don't like it.

I already said it seems unlikely now that I think about it further. Relax Max.

You had more reasons for thinking Wanderer was scum beyond simply the scum-slip, no? I don't understand the unvote.

For all we know Deasvail is a passive PR but there's no goddamn need to talk about a precise claim because there's no good reason to let scum know what town PR's are exactly in the game.

Umm, this goes against what you were saying earlier. You looked like you were trying to role-fish Deas and find out what happened - now you're saying let's not find out because that only helps scum. What are you trying to do?

ok
VOTE: Wanderer

L-2 I think

still think BBT is scum for that lie though.

OK, if you still think I am scum why have you left my wagon? Why is Wanderer scummier than me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why would I even want anyone to know IF I was scum and IF BBT is even my buddy? If I was scum I'd stay eons away from this topic, don't be an idiot.
I was asking how sure Deasvail was that his ability ('action' seemed to confuse people) prevented a NK from happening. If Deasvail thinks he was a part of that, he must have some idea about what scum are thinking or have done? I'd like him to share his thoughts and reads.
And All Alone still hasn't told us why they chose BBT.

VOTE: All Alone
The chances of catching the right player with your ability are so low, especially in N1, that I really want to hear your thoughtprocess behind your choice.

So many things with this post. Firstly, I agree with the first section that Deas should explain what he thinks might have happened because role-blocking me and the no kill makes no sense at all. I mean, there are a multitude of things that could have happened which could explain what happened last night...if nobody comes forward now and decides to explain in 1-2 days time, I'm going to lynch you. I want that to be known.

Secondly, you obviously haven't been reading the game very closely if you're wondering why All Alone chose to roleblock me - I plan on going over his ISO because some scum reads on me are becoming extremely stale.

Also, if Wanderer is scum she just tried to tie me to her. That line about 'catching the right player' is all kinds of wrong.

do you guys actually find wanderer more suspicious than bubbletea??

we have a claimed roleblock on bbt!

although i am tempted to just vote wanderer cos she's also dodgy as heck

A claimed role block that means nothing. It proves nothing.

Can you just go over why you think I'm scum...is it still the ellipses thing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aright, I'm caught up.

VOTE: Wanderer. That's L-1.

This game is going to be fun. I don't think I've ever had to deal with being lynch-bait before.

All Alone and Lala need to explain their scum reads on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also believe he is a role-blocker, however, I also believe he is suffering from some serious conf-bias.

You should explain why you're scum reading me now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How can you be scum when you just claimed you're not scum? I guess that makes you conf town now, right?

The unvote doesn't correlate with your suspicions of Wanderer though - I mean, you were scum reading Wanderer before the 'slip' so the unvote doesn't really make sense.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm here and catching up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Unless that was some sort of weird gambit by All Alone, I am comfortable with conftowning

All Alone was town from his claim alone - so you have to ask yourself, why is he still alive and why is Antihero dead? (I have my own thoughts, but you know, I'm kinda biased)

I don't like this post.

Let me vote wanderer yet still suspect all alone and Ducky.

All alone is essentially clear now, which gives their N1 roleblock even more credibility

Umm, what? How does me asking All Alone and Lala to explain their scum read on me mean I am suspecting them? I mean, I outright stated Yesterday that I was town reading All Alone. You're misrepping me pretty hard here.

Spoiler: BBT town reading All Alone

not that it matters since the claim is super town

Indeed it is. I don't see scum doing that at all.

I also believe he is a role-blocker, however, I also believe he is suffering from some serious conf-bias.

I'm only interested in voting DV or BBT to sort that shit out.

All Alone either stopped the kill N1 or DV did. But I think wanderer slipped about knowing DV had an action. Why couldn't DV have been softing BP, which isn't an action but instead is a passive ability.

Why are you presenting this false dichotomy? Why does it have to be between myself and Deas? What does that sort out?

Deas, you need to say what you think might have happened N1 because a large portion of why I am suspicious of you is you seem somewhat happy to let me take the fall for something that you think might not have even happened. Fro99er is using this to line up lynches and I think he knows more than he is letting on.

DV and BBT also drove the Mollie lynch forward after it stalled. At least one of them are scum.

You unvoted me after I explained this. Why are you still using this reasoning? If you think it's still valid, why did you unvote me yesterday?

I was also p out of it day 2.

Vote: BBT

That's not opportunistic at all Esp, what are you doing?

And why is nobody mentioning that our claimed PR is still alive?

This. Let's talk and think about this and look at the current game state.

Wanderer claiming to watch nobody visit BBT while I wasn't on the wagon at L-1 was an

extremely

risky play. I don't think it's likely that she overlooked the possibility of me hammering, and I really don't think it's likely she'd take that risk to defend BBT unless they were partners.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee?

Right, so you think Wanderer knew you wasn't on her wagon but tried to CC you anyway in an attempt to save me who was nowhere near being lynched. Crazy logic found.

Wanderer was a) trying to save herself and b) trying her best to link me to her. I thought it was fairly obvious...but apparently not.

VOTE: Fro99er

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, I can't be your knight in shining armour and rescue you from the likely combination of (I'm starting to believe) misguided town and evil evil scummy scumz that are trying to get you lynched. All I can say is what I have already said. I know of a possible explanation for the lack of kill, different from All Alone's roleblock. It's hard for me to say how likely that is. I consider it possible but by no means definite. I'm not willing to elaborate at this point.

I understand what you're saying but I hope you can see what it looks like from my position. I feel like everything so far is lining up for me to be lynched.

Do you have a theory you want to share? Or anything else to say on the matter? Bias shouldn't stop you from speaking your mind.

I'm glad you asked. My wagon would be gaining 0 momentum if somebody was still alive...can you guess who that somebody is? Anti. Anti was very much not buying into the whole 'BBT is conf scum scenario'.

Further, who the hell leaves a claimed PR alive? Somebody who is trying to direct the momentum of a game, that's who. Look at the people who are alive and look at who has died and ask yourself why has that happened? What are scum trying to achieve? Why does scum!BBT leave all of All Alone, Lala, Fro99er and JarJar alive? I mean, that just looks like suicide if I'm scum, right?

This is part of the reason that I'm not fully sure Fro99er is scum - I think he would just kill me. I don't think he would try to lynch me because he should be well aware of how difficult I am to lynch (a bit egotistical, but it's true). I'm wondering whether scum are people who don't have much experience with me and expected me to be speedlynched today.

lol, BBT if you really are town this game that is the worst vote ever.

Would you like to respond to my reasoning and show me why I'm wrong?

(Also BBT I'd like to hear why you think Fro99er went on an all out Wanderer attack)

Because if he genuinely thought Wanderer slipped he wants to be the one to capitalise on it? That's pretty good for town cred to be the first to point out a scum slip (he would be more sensitive to slips as scum who knows who the other scum are). Further, he unvoted Wanderer when nobody was buying the slip,

despite apparently having numerous other reasons for thinking Wanderer was scum

. The unvote doesn't make sense because his scum read wasn't based solely on a perceived slip from Wanderer.

Oh here we go DV and BBT jumping on me. FWIW I don't think scum BBT tries to mislynch me because he knows what will happen and would rather buddy me (as he's done twice before).

DV is probably scum trying to set himself up to jump on to me.

VOTE: DV

This is the second time you have tried to push me and backed off of it very quickly when it has started to stall.

Aint NO WAY scum posts that.

I don't understand why scum doesn't make that post?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Esp, your scum read on me is super stale.

Let's talk about it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Say what now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you serious Esp?

You would be happy to go to D4 with the contributions to date from Bella, DRK and MTD? Like, I have no idea where any of them stand in this game. You can't have 3 people getting to D4 having done nothing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

sure lurkers (if town) are lynchbait

but newbs also often wanna get rid of them in my experience??

That's the funniest thing I have read in a long, long time.

Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Esp, your scum read on me is super stale.

Let's talk about it.

Placeholder?

Say what now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I feel like I'm in crazyland here. Can people explain to me how town can win a game where all the members of scum team choose to lurk?

I feel this is more a conversation for post game but I share your pain - I have been trying to get lurkers lynched since I joined this site. Unfortunately, site meta just never allows it to happen. I wanna talk about this some more, so remind me of it post-game please.

very early reads: Fro99er is towny-towny
Espe is meh, reading through it again, that jump on jarjar is something I dislike. Like I said, I don't agree with JJ on it, but it being the first thing you suddenly hop on and claw a scumread out of without having done anything else in a while is meh.
jarjar is probstown

may I also say that fro99er and to a lesser extent JJ are the

only

people going out of the lynch yesterday with an improved towniness?
I agree with [someone] (forgot who and to lazy to look it up) that its tempting to just lynch one of AA and DV to see what's going on. OTOH it actually wouldn't clear things up for sure anyway except if DV is scum. If that's the case BBT is his partner. If not, no idea.

OK, so can you explain what makes you think Fro99er is town? Also, why even suggest that it's tempting to lynch one of All Alone/Deas to 'see what's going on' if you don't actually believe it will clear anything up anyway?

Apart from the connection to dv he's null for the reasons dv stated.

A null read on p38...that's just fantastic.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, I can't work out from 905 whether you think you'll be lynched or you don't.

I'm not sure what the point of this question is but I'll go ahead and answer anyway.

You read it exactly as it's meant to be read because I wasn't sure either. Once I saw the NK, I felt for sure I would be speedlynched - when that didn't quite take-of (although it was close), I felt like I had a fighting chance of staying in the game but it was on a knife's edge.

I'm actually concerned with how quickly my wagon crumbled once people saw the lynch wasn't going to go through. I mean, look at Esp's reasoning for voting me. 'Placeholder'...what the fuck is that about?

This read is so stale. Lalal has a lot of posts but if you take away 'fluffy lovely lala-ness' and 'vote BBT', the content isn't great.

YES BELLA!

Lala has not once explained her scum read of me, no matter how many times I try to pry it from her. She has scum read me from RVS and has NEVER expanded on it. She keeps herself looking busy and away from the attention of others by sitting on me and tunneling.

Fuck, epse's town. Hiii espe.

I don't get this...are you unhappy Esp is town?

This, I like. JarJAr and lalala are both pushing 'easy' cases, it makes them look busy when they ain't.

Disagree about easy cases. Lynching lurkers is one of the hardest things to do on this site. Lynching me isn't quite as difficult, but it's still quite a task. I agree though that Lala is using the difficulty of achieving my lynch to make herself look busy.

Espe, Frog, BBT town, AllA prolly town unless 2 scumteams.

Nulls: drk, mtd

Confused: DV.

Scum - lala and JarJar. It even rhymes!

Bella can you explain Esp and Fro99er town reads please along with why you're confused about DV? Also, I think I'm town reading you...does that mean you're actually scum for once?

I do think lalalalalalallllllallalalalalallaDucksGiraffe is someone I need to reevaluate.

Did you get around to this Fro99er? Also, can you respond to my recent posts about why you're scum?

well it's mostly just that i think bbt is scum
and all alone is town
if bbt is lynched and somehow turns out to be town then all alone looks pretty bad i think?

Why does All Alone look bad if I flip town? I don't get that at all...

i'm not pushing bubbly because i think it's 'easy' - he's hard to lynch! look at him. i've been trying to get him out the whole game and still, he lingers. i'm not trying to look busy??? i'm just trying to get others to hang up bubbleteaaa because i think he is a scumbumble beeee

You know, a great way to achieve the lynch you desire is to explain your scum read to the rest of the class.

Go.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cool, so we have established your read on me is based on gut. Which isn't uncommon, I think everybody who plays with me for the first time scum reads me, I wish I knew why it happens but I don't and I have just learned to deal with it.

You are very much trying to look busy. The fact you can't explain your read on me yet expect people to blindly follow you is crazy logic.

This kind of thing keeps making me think scum are people who haven't played with me before - scum would have thought they had this DP tied up fairly quickly with it resulting in my lynch and with them not having to do a whole lot. I think people who have played with me a fair bit, like Fro99er and Bella, would know this is not the case and would choose to kill me instead and it's messing my reads up - especially Fro99er.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm glad you backed off of that awful 'Lynch BBT, oh shit he flipped town I totally wasn't expecting that, let's lynch All Alone instead now because he must be scum' thought process because that was pretty terrible.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mentioned that at the time if I remember, I found it strange that you town read me having never played with me.

The lack of night kill and All Alone roleblocking me really means nothing as a number of other things could (and did) happen and the sooner we move past this, the better.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The way he claimed was town - I really don't see that coming from scum. He hasn't been terribly active all game so I don't think he is lurking because he is being town read.

I agree that the NK means something though and I have explained what I think it means from my perspective.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Will catch up on this as soon as I can.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

well random.org says bella is more suspicious

Vote: Bellaphant

is this vote ok?

LOL? Is this serious? I would lynch DRK in a heartbeat.

Just look at fro9's posts around the wanderer lynch. there's no way that's not town.

Well, there is, and I even outlined reasons why it could be in a number of my posts (905 for example)

nobody dies: "that roleblock is almost certainly just a coincidence. these two events are extremely unlikely to be related. no information here"

somebody dies: "now THIS roleblock, on the other hand, has gotta be a important clue!!!!!!!! from which we can deduce anything at all!!!!!!"

I mean, Deas outright stated there could have been another possibility so, yeah, you're being silly.

Still on V/LA

All Alone - why did you vote Mollie D1?

Hey, I'm still waiting for you to respond to me.

You mentioned you were starting to town read me - I think we should synch up. I'd've shot you by now if I was scum, yeah You = hard to lynch, and, like you said, busywork for lala.

I did mention that I was town reading you - I also mentioned that it made me super paranoid because I NEVER town read you. It would be super nice to sync up and all, but you know, I'd like to be sure you're town first.

BBT, at this point I don't even care if you are voting me and I didn't my feel like explaining whatever it was a long time ago.

I'm high on back pain drugs and I don't think you are scum. At this point I think all alone is scum and I need to read the rest of the game o find the other scum. My gut says DV because Wanderer knew DV had an action. But IDK.

Makes no sense for All Alone to not tell us who he roleblocked N2 because if he's town he's dead tonight. He hasn't crumbed it either, which would be the pro-town thing to do if he really wanted to keep it hidden. If he has no roleblock, and he's town, then he's essentially a VT and should be obvtown img himself now, but he's not.

Last time someone wanted to hide their number of ability shots from an early claim, it was Thor in Refraction, and Thor was scum.

Hell no, you're not dodging me like that. I kept reminding you that you had things to respond to and you kept hand-waving/V/LA'ing it away - you don't get to start saying things like 'whatever it was a long time ago'. Hell no man.

Can you explain why you don't think I am scum now? Can you go back and respond to my posts about you? I see no way All Alone is scum - I can think of numerous reasons why All Alone might not want to claim anything at this point in time.

no, I don't want to vote all alone

VOTE: DV

I need to stick with my gut. It was right in wanderer. Its probably right on DV.

I need to check anti's reads.

Why is DV scum again?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That (quoted above) is pretty fucking typical of town frogger. Do you remember refraction mafia, how I voted and unvoted everyone like 80 times?

Have you ever played with scum, me? I don't think so. Scum me pushes through mislynches clinically. Go look at my case on Ducky in BEES. It was flawless (sorry Ducky, I framed you good). Go look at my case on GM in Delicious Mafia.

Meta is great and all, but you know I don't use it. So, nice try. People break their meta all the time and they manipulate it all the time. Self-meta is one of the scummiest things anyone can do to try and prove their alignment.

It's the timing of your votes/unvotes that is scummy.

Like, there is no way BBT can say this is not my town game. That's the thing that makes me the most nervous about BBT is his OMGUS vote on me.

He has no other reason I'm scum

. Unless he thinks I really really wanted my scum buddy dead (starting the wanderer wagon and pushing it through, other than a minor paranoia moment when nobody seemed to be agreeing with me).

@Bold - Are you serious right now? Tell me that you're serious right now. I have made numerous posts both about you, and directly to you, stating why I think you're scum. You hand waved them all away claiming V/LA etc etc and just recently stated you don't care to go back to it because it 'was a long time ago' (despite my insistence every time you posted that I wanted a response).

This is scummy as fuck and all you're trying to do with this post is discredit me without actually having to respond to me/interact with me.

I was in a game with our moderator and BBT, where scum did this (with dice tags). BBT jumped all over it.

BBT, why didn't you jump all over it this time?

Because I wasn't here?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Deas is probably town - my only concerns with him were about the way he was going about what could have happened N1. I think I understand his position a little more and I'm hoping the situation can be cleared up as soon as possible.

I certainly have no intention of lynching him during this DP.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would have liked him to because it appears that nobody is considering any scenario outside of 'BBT committed kill and got role-blocked therefore is conf scum' which is pretty annoying.

But he doesn't want to. Yet. If he still hasn't cleared it up by like D4, I'd probably just go ahead and lynch him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was implying I was going to lynch Deas and I was agreeing with what Wanderer posted.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It could potentially save my ass from being lynched? That is something I am very interested in.

It brings about another possibility for people to consider because, right now, people are suffering from serious tunnel vision. You obviously don't see the game from my perspective because I know I'm town so I KNOW it clears me and I wanted to know what happened to see if it helped with any of my own reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That won't happen.

If that does happen, I'll lynch him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think we can both agree that I have a more vested interest in finding out what happened N1 than Wanderer, you know, given that everything has been set-up to lynch me.

PEdit - Not as annoying as when you're town being set-up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm really not understanding why u keep saying it's a setup. You think AA is town so his claim can't be part of the setup. What exactly is the set up?

If you're not going to bother reading my posts then I can't be bothered repeating myself.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prod received. Will try to catch up with this before/after the F1 today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like how do you see that a claimed PR is left alive and not immediately think he's scum. You instead think he was left alive to frame you cause Anti would have been defending you??? There's so much wrong w/ this, I don't know where to start:

- First off don't speak for the dead and say ur "wagon would be gaining 0 momentum if somebody was still alive". I just reread anti and there's no indication that he was townreading you. The only thing he said was that chain-lynching U and AA would be dumb.

- More importantly, wouldn't an All Alone death frame you like 1000x worse? Cause now we know for a fact that he was town and roleblocked you when there wasn't death. Leaving him alive means that we don't know for a fact that he isn't scum and fakeclaiming.

Like it's absolutely ridiculous to try to say that the anti kill was to frame you. If a town AA gets killed last night then you probably would have already been lynched by now.


VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

1) Firstly because of the way he claimed? Scum don't claim like that because once I'm lynched, suspicion falls heavily onto All Alone and he has a very difficult time surviving the next day.

2) Anti was very much against the whole idea of 'BBT was roleblocked and is conf scum' which is the ONLY reason people are using for lynching me. My wagon is so, so easy for scum to jump on because of the basis of it. Anti wouldn't have let this wagon go through and he was one of the louder voices in the town - that's why he is dead. Look at the game from a scum!BBT perspective - at end of D2 all of you, All Alone, Lala and Fro99er thought I was scum - why the fuck would I leave you all alive and KILL the person who would have defended me? Killing Anti is a fucking awful move if I'm scum and I would like to think I'm better than that.

3) No. Killing All Alone takes one vote away from my wagon - why would scum want that? They know All Alone is coming into the day and voting me - no matter what. He has barely even interacted with anyone else, he is no danger to scum. Leave him alive and they have an extra vote on my wagon.

I think that BBT and Bella are scum together.

Great, why am I scum again? Are we back to the whole N1 thing?

Look at the votes before the Wanderer's wagon took off. They were mostly on BBT. It's very likely that if she had made a safe claim that got votes off her, those votes would have gone back to BBT. However, the claim she gave instead set up a 1v1 between me and her. If BBT is town, it's pretty silly for Wanderer to risk her own hammer to 1v1 me when she could make a safe claim and let suspicion fall back to BBT (and then possibly chain lynch me for it when he flips town). If she's scum with BBT, 1v1ing me makes a lot more sense.

False, I had 3 votes. In fact, the majority of the game was sitting firmly in the 'Not Voting' section;

Official Vote Count 2.06 Turning a Sphere inside out

BlueBloodedToffee

(L-4) All Alone, JarJarDrinks, lalaladucks

Wanderer-nl

(L-5): Fro99er, Espeonage

lalaladucks

(L-6): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

(6): Antihero, Bellaphant, DeasVail, DeathRowKitty,

Espeonage

, MTD, Wanderer-nl

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: 284th (2²*71) day of the year or in (expired on 2015-10-13 14:00:00).

This is the VC right before the Wanderer wagon took off. So I mean, you're acting like I was in real danger of being lynched before Wanderer got ran-up and that's not true, it was the same people pushing the same shit reasons from D1 and continuing that into D2 whilst reevaluating nothing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So nothing seems to be happening and BBT is @ L-2. Can we ask him to claim?

A claim at L-2...that's pretty scummy.

Sorry

Lets get this going

Unvote, Vote: BBT

Second? Third? 35th time you have done this now? If this isn't opportunistic voting I don't know what is...I guess I'm L-1 now. If I'm still at L-1 when I finish catching up and there's intent to hammer I'll claim but this wagon is fucking stupid.

I will say that DV looks a little worse if BBT is scum. I've had him as a pretty solid townread most of the game but he definately seemed more reluctant than I would think he'd be to lynch BBT.

So if BBT does flip red, I still would lynch DRK/Bella next but DV should be looked @.

You looking for people to lynch before I have flipped is scummy as fuck.

- No death night 1
- All Alone claims to have roleblocked him night 1
- BBT says that roleblocking wont stop an attacker even though he's been told in past games that it would
- Scum Wanderer kept trying to make DV explain alternatives for there being a no kill
- Scum Wanderer claims to have watched BBT and says All Alone didn't target him
- All Alone wasn't killed
- BBT claims that scum killed Anti to make a BBT lynch happen even though there's no reason to think Anti would defend BBT
- BBT also tried to get DV to explain the missing kill

1) A number of other things could (read: did) happen.
2) Same as point 1.
3) Role knowledge is not alignment indicative.
4) What does that have to do with me?
5) How does that make me scum? If anything, that's Wanderer trying to tie herself to me because she would have known All Alone would immediately hammer her.
6) How does this make me scum?
7) Anti would have defended me. 100%.
8) I'm trying to get Deas to show other people that other things could have happened and the reasons for lynching me are stupid.

interesting that bubbletea seems to have disappeared now when the votes have piled up

This is funny. Was I posting elsewhere on the site by any chance?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I claim 2-shot Doc.

Protected Anti night one.

Protected nobody night two.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fro99er, I'm not saying you're all scum but if I see something I think has scum motivations - you better believe I'm going to call it out.

Why would I potentially waste my last protect when I think there is a good chance that I get blocked again? That really doesn't make sense.

My top scumspects are yourself and Lala. I feel like I have made that pretty clear.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You just called JarJar scummy on this page.

So he's a backup scum for when I flip town?

Espe is opportunistic town?

As I said, just because I'm not scum reading someone it doesn't mean I can't call out scummy shit when they do it. I think Esp is actually a good shout for scum.

You're acting as if I'm only allowed a maximum number of scum reads.

Have you played with lala before?

I have not.

PEdit - Anti is a strong town player, you're mistaken if you think scum don't kill strong players just because they led a mislynch.

What are you talking about 3 kill-stopping roles?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

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[BlueBloodedToffee]

Where do I start with this game? One of the most frustrating (and fun) games that I have had in quite some time (I also think that's the first time I have been lynched as scum in over a year).

That N1 was just terrible and set the precedent for the game. As you can see, I didn't commit the kill but I couldn't do anything about the onslaught. Once people started grouping up it was game over. JarJar was immediately onto what Wanderer was doing and that was the beginning of the end.

This game almost went as expected - I expected JarJar/Lala/All Alone to scum read me (2/3 ain't bad, I was stunned when JarJar was town reading me) but people like Fro99er, Anti, Bella were supposed to defend me and they didn't! Guys, why didn't you do your job? (I think Bella tried very briefly haha).

All in all, this was decided by a strong town grouping together at the right time and a bit of bad luck for the scum team.

Thanks for modding Plot, that was a well ran game and I really enjoyed it. Regular VCs are a godsend and you were right on top of it. Well done modding your first game!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fuck me, that game haha. I wish that didn't exist.

14 month run unlynched as scum is pretty impressive I think, especially with the amount of games I play and how often I seem to roll it. Time to go on another run