Death Note Mafia (Game Over!)

[Nero Cain]

oh this guy is here and its too late to WOTC him out.

vote:Wisdom

[Nero Cain]

why would you wotc me

you are spammy as fuck unless you've changed your style.

[Nero Cain]

compared to him? no

[Nero Cain]

^
good vote is good

[Nero Cain]

5 in a 21 is the going number.

[Nero Cain]

but its also role madness so increased town power=increased scum numbers prob. So maybe its 6 or 7?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Harkonnen97

DISCUSS!

[Nero Cain]

better than your previous one for sure

then sheep me

[Nero Cain]

I'm not voting irao right now, but that was INSANELY anti-town, dude.

Why is it anti-town and not scummy?

Okay enough joke votes wanted to vote hark saw how the bw was going didn't like it[/quote[
Why did you want to vote Hark?

This guy though is just posting

carp

and should be lynched

I haven't seen him posting any

carp

. LAL!

vote: Sondam

but real talk, what crap is he posting?

[Nero Cain]

Nobody's vote worthy right now.

What made you change your mind on Hark?

Well, I don't watch anime because it's unholy,

this 100x

Really liking Vecna right now, not a big fan of IamI.

Other than being slightly funny, what do you like about him?

Wisdom's empty vote on IAI sucked.

Can someone explain to me why the Hark wagoned vanished? I mean sure, if he's town that flurry on votes very likely has scum in it but why dissolve a wagon over that or was there something I missed?

[Nero Cain]

Nero, can you explain your scumread on us?

I just don't like you but I think it should have been obvious that it was a joke vote since I'm aking fun of Maria's mispelling on CRAP.

In the morning I intend to reread about why the Harp wagon dissipated b/c his vote on Ira really was crap. But Obba is prob scum as well so...

vote:Obba

[Nero Cain]

I don't think this is Hark's scumplay.

VOTE: Mewtaph

have you played with him?

[Nero Cain]

you cant meta off one game

players do this all the time bro.

[Nero Cain]

Also meta is bad and shouldn't be.

meta is used all the time. Not like its 100% accurate but its a useful tool and there have been plenty of times when it was useful.

Whats even the "case" on cakes?

[Nero Cain]

So I ISO'd Cakes and honestly I'm not seeing anything glaringly scummy at all.

[Nero Cain]

I'm also fully aware that if Hark is town then scum were sheeping me, hell if Hark is scum, scum would prob be bussing him, but at the same time him kinda sorta sheeping me makes me want to lean town at the same time.

I also kinda dislike Gamma's post about leaving Cakes alone till day 3. What is your take on it Cakes?

In the meantime, lets get more votes on a lurking Obba whose sum total of scum hunting has been "I find all these guys scummy...on second though I changed my mind."

[Nero Cain]

mine or Cakes?

[Nero Cain]

you haven't said anything about me before so I'm not sure why you are now. Also why are you unvoting Cakes?

[Nero Cain]

:/

[Nero Cain]

well that was a little bettlejuicy :/

[Nero Cain]

when have i sheeped you

never. I'm talking about the players that joined me when I was voting you. Also the second "him" in that post referred to Cakes.

i dont understand the context. what do you think was beetlejuicy?

There is an activity thing there at the bottom that tells you who is on and I saw Gamma on while me and Ank had a little back and forth and I had expected him to post but he didn't. Then when he was asked a direct question he responded to it ASAP. Just gave me an odd vibe.

I was already feeling odd about him b/c I had mentioned not liking one of his posts and asked for more sheep votes on Ooba and Ank immediately attacks me. Chainsaw much?

[Nero Cain]

Do you think it means anything that he attacked me over mentioning Gamma and pushing for more votes on Ooba?

[Nero Cain]

I love it when a plan comes together.

A+ reference.

I think that what Nero found is interesting tho

What find I find that was interesting?

Who pays more attention ON AVERAGE, town or scum? Yeah I thought so..

Alignment has nothing to do with paying attention, it depends on the player

You know that there's a theory that scum do pay more attention than town, why are you pretending like this isn't a thing? OFC you could have never heard about it or be lie that you never heard about it and there's no way to prove this.

Your vote is also on a super easy and lynchbait-y target early on which is the bigger factor I disliked.

You could say this about 3/4 of the playerbase on this site. Its a crap reason to suspect someone.

Maria/Gerry why are you guys holding onto your vote for dear life?

[Nero Cain]

Do you think it means anything that he attacked me over mentioning Gamma and pushing for more votes on Ooba?

This feels really sleazy, too.

STOP FEELING ME BRO! i DON'T ROLL LIKE THAT.

but in real talk, I can understand someone having an "ah ha" moment and then going back and reading thier posts and going "oh yeah this slot is scummy" but look at it FMPOV. I had JUST got done talking about lurker scum Ooba and prob scum Gamma and then you are all like "oh you is scummy" The timming is just really odd and you are not backing it up with anything.

[Nero Cain]

Maria why did you avoid my question?

[Nero Cain]

Conversation sure has died down around here eh. Time to fire it up a bit I guess

I agree. Lets flash wagon lurking scum Ooba who'll prob be replaced.

[Nero Cain]

So they replacement has to comment on it.

[Nero Cain]

Maria/Gerry why are you guys holding onto your vote for dear life?

[Nero Cain]

What did you think of Ooba when he was here?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I am. I think its fairly scummy and in tune with Gerrys scumplay.

[Nero Cain]

oh I didn't think you were voting at all.

[Nero Cain]

yep you are voting, my bad.

[Nero Cain]

Scum-aligned: Sondam, Wisdom, Gamma, Ank, Ooba

FIFY!

[Nero Cain]

but how are you scumreading Gamma?

his thing about how Cakes is always scummy and we should wait till d3 to read him seems like something scum might say to defend a town.

[Nero Cain]

Why is sondam scum

I'm still not 100% thrilled that Gerry wasn't doing any voting and it was all Maria. Its my weakest scum read but I feel like there is reason to doubt.

[Nero Cain]

Going off random's post, we should probably not go at Cakez until at least Day 3. That way we can see his mid game play and judge that.

[Nero Cain]

Why is he being awful and not scum?

[Nero Cain]

Confirming I got and understand my role PM and reading up.

hi vote creature with me

Picking on people who can't defend huh?

Why would he be unable to defend himself?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Creature

his iso is meh at best and if he's not going to play here we may just lynch him.

[Nero Cain]

So? The replacement can try to get the slot town cred.

[Nero Cain]

I am lynching you two when Creature flips scum.

[Nero Cain]

Then you should be unvoting and waiting for said replacement

nope! Like the wagon isn't in danger of going through so I should unvote him why?

[Nero Cain]

Then you should be unvoting and waiting for said replacement

nope! Like the wagon isn't in danger of going through so I should unvote him why?

[Nero Cain]

so...I should unvote someone that I'd be willing to lynch when they aren't in danger of being lynched b/c why?

[Nero Cain]

I'm town, go do something useful with your vote.

[Nero Cain]

mod:I am voting Creature

[Nero Cain]

Nero wagon is dumb.

its only dumb if I get lynched. I agree that Ank is prob scum and when he flips scum I'll be conf town wich is a good thing but that means I'll die at night so :/

[Nero Cain]

no, I think this might be noise Maria but Ank and Gamma def need to go.

[Nero Cain]

I also kinda dislike Gamma's post about leaving Cakes alone till day 3

but how are you scumreading Gamma?

his thing about how Cakes is always scummy and we should wait till d3 to read him seems like something scum might say to defend a town.

ok lets stop pretending you are paying any attention to this game b/c you clearly aren't.

but yes, hoping on my wagon with shit all reasoning and then hopping off after being so sure I was scum is p shady.

[Nero Cain]

Ank, if the Creature slot flips scum tell me why I shouldn't string you from the tallest tree?

[Nero Cain]

prob though it'll be tough with stupid town and your scum buddies defending you.

[Nero Cain]

Nero wagon is dumb.

its only dumb if I get lynched. I agree that Ank is prob scum and when he flips scum I'll be conf town wich is a good thing but that means I'll die at night so :/

Where you at? I'm struggling this game. I feel good about you, Wisdom, and Kraska at this point. Few others I'm okay with. Don't like Ank, RM, and [insert lurker name here]

I think when Gerry is scum he does shit all and is tentative with his voting and I could see the dominant head (maria) of the hydra taking control of the hydra. I also think her "unvote Creature!" and "don't vote lurkers!" are wank but I could easily see her as town and providing cushion for the pushin' on my wagon.

could see mew as town if Synik is scum and I just generally view the Synik voters as town.

I could buy a RM as town with that shit vote from Gamma.

This seems a little like normal lurker Bro and not the scumBro I played with in Mastins game.

TL:DR

town

2. Sondam (MariaR/Gerryoat)
3. Randomidget!
4. Harkonnen97
8. BROseidon!
10. Kraska77!
11. Wisdom
12. Iraonavp
13. SirCakez
14. Narna!
15. I Am Innocent
16. Nero Cain
17. ActionDan!!
20. Vecna
21. Mewtaph

coin tosses

1. Not_Mafia!
5. JasonWazza!
6. Basic

scum

7. Synik
9. Ankamius
18. Gamma Emerald
19. SnarkySnowman

[Nero Cain]

I'm not sure, really. The best guess I have is by how I form reads.

This is

extremely

presumptuous. No one plays the same as anyone else.

and so begins the distancing...

[Nero Cain]

I didn't explain my vote on you, but I did have reasoning

Why didn't you explain? What is your reasoning? Why did your scum read on RM become so much stronger than your scumread on me?

I will admit that I didn't realize Creature replaced out until Creature was replaced so congratulations on pointing out that I'm more interested in finding scum than noticing NAI events.

[Nero Cain]

what do the "!" next to the names in your reads mean?

I think "!" is the mods way of keeping track of prods. My list I used is a copy and paste from the op.

[Nero Cain]

My reasoning was that you were ignoring the actual events to vote someone vulnerable.

You are going to have to explain this to me.

[Nero Cain]

notice how thats post 634 and I voted Creature in 693.

I mean its not like you are ISOing me rn in a desperate attempt t find shit on me right?

[Nero Cain]

All the stupid town will just ignore me like usual and you'll fake a town tell and coast to victory.

[Nero Cain]

no :/

[Nero Cain]

My reasoning was that you were ignoring the actual events to vote someone vulnerable.

You are going to have to explain this to me.

still waiting on this BTW

[Nero Cain]

Great idea Basic, I should have left my vote on Ooba and continued to vote a vanity wagon when I can vote a scum that has a chance of getting lynched. This whole "don't vote empty slots, don't vote lurkers" is like the silliest thing ever.

[Nero Cain]

Guys guys guys, a vote doesn't

LYNCH

anyone.

[Nero Cain]

Guys guys guys, a vote doesn't

LYNCH

anyone.

Pressure voting is useless and you're just trying to do it to get attention.

I think its quite effective.

[Nero Cain]

This game feels p much like http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67600 where I was pushing a known lurker to get a reaction out of them and scum PEP argued that I tried to

LYNCH

them. Its basically the same argument that Basic is making. While I know they are different players the similarity of their arguments seem more scum motivated than town.

[Nero Cain]

I also never voted for Gamma.

[Nero Cain]

Ira why do you town read Wisdom?

[Nero Cain]

Ira why do you town read Wisdom?

I don't, I already said he was scum-aligned...

ok why?

[Nero Cain]

ok read that Maria.

[Nero Cain]

Are you ACTUALLY lining up lynches? LMFAO

So there is a SHIT TON of resistance to the Creature wagon and I should not think his defenders are scumbuddies if he flips scum why?

EXPLAIN. PLEASE. RIVET ME ON THIS NERO.

Mew was being voted by scum, Creature voters are voting scum. This isn't difficult logic why are you acting like it is?

You left with the "replacement better explain that" mentality. *Headcock*
And failed to vote a lurker who was then later replaced. Only when he was replaced did you vote.

I'm not really getting your point here. Like I voted Ooba b/c he was scummy

BEFORE HE REPLACED OUT

. I mean its 11 to vote and this was before the Creature wagon so why shouldn't I want to vote scum? I'm also not to proud the admit that I'm sheeping and I think Creatures ISO is p bad and I can understand why people thinks he scum.

What made the Synik one more appealing?

NO ONE WAS VOTING OOBA!

I have the "Someones just replaced in and should post their thoughts." mentality in case we're both town.

ok cool. Creature wasn't about to get lynched.

Explain to me why the Ooba/Snarky was a vanity wagon please?

there was only like me and 1 other voting it.

[Nero Cain]

hrmmm...I'm torn between "Creature is scum getting defending by her scum buddies" and "I'm being attacked by scum for the way that I'm treating Creatureslot"

[Nero Cain]

Synik (6/11) - Kraska77, Wisdom, SirCakez, Nero Cain, I Am Innocent, Harkonnen97

Like I was the 4th vote on a scumspect and my vote was "inconsiderate" like WTF is that shit.

[Nero Cain]

He was no where NEAR lynch range. This whole attack from Basic is so fucked up.

Remember how I lynched CR for fussing at me for how I treated Ira? Very similar.

[Nero Cain]

I think Basic is prob scum thats piggybacking on this whole "don't vote lurkers" shit from Maria.

[Nero Cain]

not Basic?

[Nero Cain]

Scum hunting is not a static endeavor and it may or may not change when more information and data comes to light but for the most part? Yeah I feel relatively confident about my reads. I'm a big occam's razor fan and it says that players voting scum are town and players voted by scum are town. I'm fully aware that bussing and distancing is a thing but the simplest explanation is that they are town.

The only two "lurkers" on my town list are AD and Bro. AD is gut and Bro is maybe POE town but yes, he should ride in the "coin toss" section.

I don't know why you think my reads would drastically change in 100 posts but Basic can climb up my scum list and as you pointed out Bro can be downgraded a bit.

[Nero Cain]

Basics posting on creature kinda reeks of pocketing, it doesn't look like scum protecting scum at all
If synik flips town, I'm tunneling basic into oblivion. I'm fairly certain synik is fliping scum tho so basics probably town

It could be that too but I don't feel like Basic should get a town read if synik flips scum.

[Nero Cain]

Nero is joining my scum list

Why?

[Nero Cain]

Hey Cakes, when you made your catch up is there a reason you skipped over the whole me vs. Basic thing?

[Nero Cain]

its just Basic buddy cut him some slack.

[Nero Cain]

I see Basic as scum regardless of Creature flip.

[Nero Cain]

Isn't that what you are doing?

[Nero Cain]

Like 99% of all players are going to want to flip the people that defended scum and/or tried create a counter wagon.

[Nero Cain]

I know you guys are new unless you are an alt but this isn't some advanced theory its mafia 101.

[Nero Cain]

And why shouldn't I be inclined to think that a hypothetical Creature scum isn't being defended by his buddies?

[Nero Cain]

I really don't see why putting someone at l-7 is a big deal at all. Maybe he's getting defended by his buddies, maybe he's getting pocketed like Kranksa thinks. Who knows.

[Nero Cain]

"OMG YOU PUT CREATURE AT L-7. GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO DEFEND HIMSELF! U R PUTTING UNNECESSARY PRESSURE ON HIM!"

Does that seem town to you in the slightest?

[Nero Cain]

I really don't see why putting someone at l-7 is a big deal at all. Maybe he's getting defended by his buddies, maybe he's getting pocketed like Kranksa thinks. Who knows.

And what if he is town?

Then he's town. Why is it

my fault

that he gets lynched when it takes 10 other votes? The replacement hasn't even responded yet. I'm not saying full steam ahead or anything, I never even argued that we should just go ahead and randomly lynch him.

[Nero Cain]

I'm wasn't really defending him though: I was attacking you.

b/c I moved my vote from a scumread that wasn't getting wagoned to a wagon that I agreed with that doing something in the game. Have you ever played mafia before?

[Nero Cain]

you could p much argue that any vote in the game is opportunistic.

[Nero Cain]

that's alot of quoting so no but in general you could look at any vote on a wagon thats not the first vote and say it was opportunistic..

[Nero Cain]

Who is your main?

[Nero Cain]

Who is your main?

Sort of ruins the point of an alt, don't you think?

point taken.

[Nero Cain]

Bro's vote on Synik was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo opportunistic. You see how EZ that is Gamma. :/

[Nero Cain]

no, this is scum Basic. Basic doesn't throw shade on a L-7 vote as town. I'm especially not going to trust Cakez after he town read the whole scum team in our last game. :/

[Nero Cain]

no, this is scum Basic. Basic doesn't throw shade on a L-7 vote as town. I'm especially not going to trust Cakez after he town read the whole scum team in our last game. :/

[Nero Cain]

See? it was such a good post it posted twice.

[Nero Cain]

Did A50 leave any notes?

[Nero Cain]

He said he'd catch up hours ago and then left so I thought maybe he'd of had said something to you.

[Nero Cain]

yes

[Nero Cain]

how about less fluff posting?

[Nero Cain]

Well not really, cause at least Synik has made some reads now.

I thought the sarcasm was evident but I guess not.

And the "I was only applying pressure you guise"

I don't think I ever used that argument.

I like to think such things as common courtesy still exists.

Yes, lets put the game on hold so some one at L7 doesn't feel pressured. Your argument is so much shit and its hard to see it from town. Are you an alt?

Lets not be coy, I throw HATE at a rapidly developing wagon once a replacement has just come in.

Can you show my examples where you have done this in the past?

He was being replaced.
Replacing=/= Lurking.

It actually implies he had a reason for not posting.

Creature is still active sitewide and even joining a new game so its not like he didn't have time to play. I also kinda feel like he'd give a reason as town so I kinda thing it was maybe a rage quit and/or a tactical replace out.

[Nero Cain]

Like the entire reason for the Creature wagon had nothing to do with him lurking and its either super scummy or extremely stupid that Basic and co. are trying to make this into a "lurker wagon lol". I lean the former but I am continually surprised at the lack of decent town thought.

[Nero Cain]

Lol at the BW on Synik. can someone give me their cause on Synik? I ask Cakez or Nero in specific, I would like to hear both of your cases on Synik. (I'll be sure to iso him too)

I was shepping. I looked at his ISO and was not impressed. His 350 could easily be scum that knows Hark is town. So I thought it was a worthy place for my vote since no one was sheeping me on Ooba.

Why should I not have voted him?

What do you think of all the resistance to votes on him?

[Nero Cain]

Its hard to imagine town wanting to avoid a quick mislynch when there is a replacement litterally just after stepping in?

He was at L-fucking 7. Even if you believed there were 7 scum in this game they wouldn't have all jumped on his wagon.

[Nero Cain]

this he was going to get quick lynched at L-4 is pretty odd.

[Nero Cain]

wanting to avoid a quick mislynch

I want to hear your town creature case

[Nero Cain]

or

I'm just town that's passionately pleading my case and pointing out how silly it is for Basic to have a town read on Creature and think he'd get quick lynched at L7.

[Nero Cain]

Well I still suspect you a little. But Ank, Basic, this wagon and Snarky are where I'd want to go first.

[Nero Cain]

What do you currently think of Spynik?

I am unimpressed.

and no, I'm asking you to explain why you were town reading CREATURE!

[Nero Cain]

Ettiquette

this is shit btw. Just look at it Maria, its CR all over again.

[Nero Cain]

b/c they are scum defending him and/or scum pocketing him.

[Nero Cain]

back in my day we just called it buddying but its the same thing I think. Scum defending town for towncred or scum defending town to get on their good side.

[Nero Cain]

I've thought about trying to derail the creatureslot wagon but is it really the best idea right now? Who would even vote Basic with me? I only have 1 vote and am ok with lynching any scum.

[Nero Cain]

I have a scumread on Synik's. I don't see the point in derailing a wagon on scum.

[Nero Cain]

your votes are trash Basic. Still waiting on you to show me an example of you throwing hate on players that were voting a replaced slot.

[Nero Cain]

I should lynch you for even comparing me to Titus.

Synik is L-2

[Nero Cain]

What is your read on Basic?

[Nero Cain]

Im undecided on what to think of basic. Im intrigued by all these people with super strong opinions on the wagon though, and it makes me so enticed to just hammer it down.

but there is no Basic wagon

[Nero Cain]

the only think that kinda bothers me about Almost Chara is that Almost 50 isn't posting.

[Nero Cain]

thing rather

[Nero Cain]

you are not Almost50, I want to talk to Almost50.

I think Synik is prob scum and the resistance to her wagon is off. I think Basic is scum and just saw my wagon and hopped on. There is also a noticeable change in her tone after Kranska accuses her of pocketing Synik.

[Nero Cain]

maybe maybe not. I think it says more about Basic than Synik.

[Nero Cain]

@Almost50 please find and quote your post that says we should always vote my biggest scum read.

[Nero Cain]

but if you think Basic changed his tone arent you thinking kraska was right?
That doesnt work with thinking Synik is scum

How do you know this isn't mb?

[Nero Cain]

Like I kinda didn't really want to say anything but each time people like Jason and Vecna and Synik get and their scum reads consist of mostly 3 players it makes me think that that they are hunting the other team b/c 3 scum in a 21 player is wrong and 2 3 man teams is more than plausible I think.

Its a crazy tinfoil and I'm maybe prob wrong but both Synik and Basic are scummy and kraska thinking Basic is pocketing. MB explains all this.

[Nero Cain]

thats really bullshit

Why is your reaction so violent?

Like I doubt I'm even right but if you you simply disagreed why would you call it bullshit?

[Nero Cain]

Like Nero talks about change in tone and fails to notice this...It's weird

What?

[Nero Cain]

Was it Bro that said Wisdom is town unless this is MB? I speculate that its MB and Wisdom starts charging after me. lol

Wouldn't it be funny if I was right about it being MB and that's why Wisdom is all pissed off.

[Nero Cain]

thats really bullshit

Why is your reaction so violent?

Like I doubt I'm even right but if you you simply disagreed why would you call it bullshit?

because I feel like you contradicted yourself and you're using multiball to cover it
You are pushing Synik as scum yet you're also saying that Basic is scum for WKing Synik

I'm saying that Basic is scummy and I don't know what the dynamic is. How could I?

[Nero Cain]

Wisdom: I'm NOT the one that is saying Synik is being WKed b/c I don't KNOW if she is or not.

Like Nero talks about change in tone and fails to notice this...It's weird

What?

You noted a change in tone in basic but not synik
Why are you so freaking focused on basic

You mean when Synik kinda started defending themself?

I'm reading both as scummy so...

[Nero Cain]

wow and now you're being manipulative

VOTE: nero

NOW he's being manipulative?

What was I doing before that was manipulative?

Trying to claim that I got angry because multiball was mentioned?

but you did.

There is a big difference between "I think you are wrong" and "bullshit". Like if you just simply think that I'm wrong why did you feel the need to use such violent language as bullshit?

[Nero Cain]

"OMG NERO THINKS TWO PLAYERS ARE SCUMMY AND ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS IS DEFENDING THE OTHER! NERO CAN'T POSSIBLY BELIEVE THEY ARE BOTH SCUM!"

[Nero Cain]

Like you do know how wagons are formed and how scum are lynched right?

Do you think if Synik is scum that her buddies are not defending her?

[Nero Cain]

Nero: is Wisdom scum?

I dunno. I think is frustration after my MB spec was kinda odd. There are to many scummy players and unknowns.

and on 1319: i thought you were scumreading Synik too, not just consolidating. i would have pointed that out. or did the read get stronger only recently.

I've been scum reading Synik for a while now. I joined the Creature wagon b/c the wagon had merit and Creature's 350 could be scum that knows Hark was town. I've not been impressed with Synik and I don't understand why Basic is defending Synik.

[Nero Cain]

I could ask you the same question, because I have the opposite impression of what's going on with this wagon.

This is sooooooooooooo weird to me. Kraska and Cakez say they have a meta scumread on him and I didn't think he was town then IAI, Ira and Hark joined and once the wagon turned serious it just hit a fucking wall. Why? Is she scum? Is she town and scum are defending her for town cred?

Basic worrying that Creature/Synik would be quicklynched when I was voting him at L-7 is odd.

I just don't understand anything and why there is so much resistance and hate for this wagon. No oncan tell me why Creature was towny. I think I remember a "town case" on the Synik head but it was pretty meh.

Though I agree that Vecna fence sitting and having no strong opinions 100+ posts into the game is meh.

[Nero Cain]

except no one is going after the lurkers. I mean Basic kinda did with her vote on IAI but for the most part . Like I can understand a "we dislike this wagon b/c lurker scum are hopping on" but its been me that's been attacked.

[Nero Cain]

I acknowledged the possibility of scum!Synik already and am not super-opposed to it.

Still think the wagon needs to dissipate though.

????

[Nero Cain]

Well there's ooba/snarky who is currently posting it up all over the site so that's prob scum.

[Nero Cain]

Well 7 posts aren't much but maybe thats much by Snarky standards

[Nero Cain]

Basic is at l-1, hammer her.

[Nero Cain]

I'm bored and having fun

[Nero Cain]

Why would you suspect me if Synik flips town?

Who will you suspect if Synik flips scum?

[Nero Cain]

There's been multiple people condemning the lurkers for this exact reason though?

Pray tell me wich lurker was waggoned?

@Nero. I think I apologised for targeting you exclusively.

no need. If you are town then you were just wrong, if you are scum then you just playing to your wincon.

I mean, I still don't understand why you'd even think that Synik would be quick lynched at l-4. And you haven't given any examples of you defending replacements.

I mean yeah, attacking mostly me is kinda selective and I think thats p scummy but I've seen it from bad town too so...

I just find your actions around the Synik wagon odd.

I mean the Creature wagon had shit all to do with lurking so I'm not really aure why it was reduced to "lurker wagon" lol

Even with Hark and IAI getting on there wasn't a 100% chance it would go through but your actions and Synik's lack of actions p much insured she'd be the lynch of the day.

[Nero Cain]

synik's flip will be pretty interesting

A Synik town flip means?

A Synik scum flip means?

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, no. i'm not voting this. The 2 people I fos won't even out their cases on Synik, so this is probably town.

~G

Gerry pls. Cakez has a meta scum read and I've talked at length why I joined the Creature/Synik wagon.

[Nero Cain]

I'm having fun

being sixteen is about easing into the awareness that life is meaningless and everything is miserable, not about fun

you are a fucking downer.

But even if i hadnt, why do you single me out instead of several ofher people such as bro, creature, NM etc?

I am currently voting Creature/Synik. I like Bro and I was never town reading NM.

coin tosses

1. Not_Mafia!

5. JasonWazza!
6. Basic

[Nero Cain]

UNVOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: SirCakez

Why?

[Nero Cain]

hey IAI. Why did you askme my reads earlier and then stop talking to me about said reads? Where is your reads list?

[Nero Cain]

p sure SKs can be strongmen unless you are an SK that knows you have no strongman modifier lol

[Nero Cain]

Mew, Why is Synik town?

[Nero Cain]

Mew, Why is Synik town?

Did you miss the claim?

no. scum claim FBI agent all the time. Its a relatively safe claim b/c A.) mafia will already be SK hunting B.) their results will be mostly correct so they don't have to really worry about being wrong.

Why is it a town claim?

[Nero Cain]

Btw how do you iso more than one user?

Do you see the plus symbol next to it? Click it to add another drop down box, you can do two more for a total of 3.

[Nero Cain]

Why are you ignoring me IAI?

[Nero Cain]

hey IAI. Why did you askme my reads earlier and then stop talking to me about said reads? Where is your reads list?

[Nero Cain]

sometimes I'm like Gamma is so scummy and then sometimes I'm like he's so new that he looks scummy.

[Nero Cain]

There is no case on Synik from what I read

2 players had a meta scum read on him. I think his ISO is wonky and 350 looks like scum that knows Hark is town. Synik has been unimpressive.

received a few frustrated townie vibes from his posts

Both alignments can show frustration.

Sure, Creature meta reasons may have implicated the slot but that is no reason (imo) to drive someone up to intent.

What else should we have done then? B/c like the only thing that has been happening thus far as been a "Creature is scummy, no Nero is the scummy one for making a wagon serious"

[Nero Cain]

X number of players find a slot scummy and wagon him.

then a ton of other players yell at how he shouldn't of been wagoned and there was no case on him (despite there very much being a case)

Have ANY of you actully played mafia before?!?

[Nero Cain]

Where is your reads list?

[Nero Cain]

When Synik claimed FBI agent i kinda thought it might be a TSO alt since tha'ts like his go to scum fakeclaim. But there are plenty of reasons why scum would claim FBI agent.

Meta is not a valid attack especially when you're not even sure who the owner of the alt is... (why can't 1210 come from town?)

no one was attacking Synik over meta, that was Creature.

[Nero Cain]

Synik's posting has been robotic and awkward
He's barely interacting with the people pushing for his lynch
Barely even acknowledged his wagon at all
Every bit of this looks like cornered scum and yet gamma and basic still call this a mislynch

Who's pushing for my lynch?

Wisdom's case involves me breaking site rules but hes always a tunneling moron so thats par for the course.

Everyone is using my wagon as an excuse to blend in.

I don't see how this can't come from scum.

[Nero Cain]

We should stop the "who is a FBI agent in the show" and let Synik claim who they are first.

[Nero Cain]

For Cakes to be scum I think Gamma would have to be scum too. Is Gamma scum?

[Nero Cain]

We should stop the "who is a FBI agent in the show" and let Synik claim who they are first.

Relevant to now because i haven't actually read: Can anyone that actually knows the flavor think of a possible SK in the flavor?

I can only think of 1, that could be possibly construed as a SK, and it makes me think it might not be a thing.

Assuming Light and his supporters are the mafia, I think Higuchi could be SK
Otherwise Light himself makes sense as SK

[Nero Cain]

Going off random's post, we should probably not go at Cakez until at least Day 3. That way we can see his mid game play and judge that.

[Nero Cain]

And that post doesnt mean gamma is scum

good thing I wasn't arguing that. Like, folks are scumreading Cakes. I think Gammas post makes the most sense if they are buddies together so I was asking Cake voters if they believed that. You then asked me to post what I think is the connection between the two so its a bit misreppy on your part.

so it doesn't make much sense to be stubborn on a null-point.

How am I being stubborn? I mean I'd expect no less than 5 scum in a 21 player so it just kinda seemed weird that folks had scum lists of 3. I'm also scum reading both Creature/Synik and Basic. I think Synik is prob scum fakeclaiming and lurking it out. I also don't feel like Basic's actions were town motivated. So, in my mind a MB would make sense but I'm not worried about it though if it turns out to be MB I am power lynching the fuck out of Wisdom.

[Nero Cain]

Dunno, still feel like Synik is scum. The whole "lets have the maybe SK shoot him." is ok. My only problem with it is that scum are going to have some form of protection in a game with a claimed vig and a SK if one even exists. It prob does given that you guys are all saying that there would be one flavor wise. And he (Synik) would only get one night action in wich is not that big of deal.

I agree that Jason not voting Synik while calling them scum is bad.

My only issue with a Snarky/Ooba lynch is that no one was fussing over it when the case on Creature/Synik was so much stronger so that seems a little odd to me.

I'll vote Jason if the Synik wagon doesn't pick up steam.

[Nero Cain]

TBF, Wisdom has tunneled me every game we've played together so its not like I expect anything less.

except that I've dodged nothing and there's not any manipulation. TY

[Nero Cain]

My flavor is Anthony Rester

that...doesn't really seem like he'd be a FBI agent...more like a rolecop. But then I've never watched the show just wiki'd your claim.

[Nero Cain]

Hey wisdom, mind pointing me to the spot where i called synik scum?

What i was saying was the way the Wagon fell over a shitty claim seems like a scum wagon, i never actually said that i personally think that Synik is scum.

Those are 2 different arguments.

fair enuff though I think its a pretty similar argument.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Basic

Still don't think her actions (around the Synik wagon) make any sense as town and if we are letting Synik go we should be lynching this.

[Nero Cain]

oh noes a ranger style reads list

[Nero Cain]

:/

[Nero Cain]

I'm like 99% sure this was a joke. There's like 0% I get lynched today so stop sidelining your vote.

[Nero Cain]

Nero has your Cakez read in 797 changed or is it still the same? Can you clarify/explain your current read on Cakez?

What does my read on Cakes have to do with anything? I think he's null leaning town. I like his reads (Synik, Basic (I think?) as scum) What is your case on him? Is it that he tunneled on Ank? b/c that's a silly case or is there more? He's way way down my totem pole of who I'd lynch.

You two should join me on Basic.

[Nero Cain]

SnarkySnowman (2/11) - Gamma Emerald, BROseidon, Vecna

???


also I am voting Basic

[Nero Cain]

yes

[Nero Cain]

What is your read on me Cakes?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Jason

[Nero Cain]

:/

[Nero Cain]

unvote

I have like 2 hours online and I want to game then watch MNF so I'll be back after that.

[Nero Cain]

What if Synik is the SK and fake claimed FBI agent? I guess it would help explain why Basic and others were hard defending that.

[Nero Cain]

They wouldn't know all they'd know is that he wasn't part of the mafia team. Defending town (or what they thought was town) is a thing.

[Nero Cain]

I unvoted just in case thier was a QH while I was gone as I wasn't ready to end the day yet. I don't really care who we lynch between Jason and Snarky. So I'll read a little more ant then decide.

Why are you in such a hurry for me to vote Hark?

[Nero Cain]

you are reaching hard

How is that a reach? Scum defend town/not thier team scum all the time.

+

just look at the crap Basic was spewing

she was worried that Creature would be quick lynched at L-4
She called my vote "inconsiderate" and was worried about how he was being treated.

Does any of that sound towny to you?

[Nero Cain]

that doesn't necessarily mean that they are doing it right now, does it?

How would you know?

[Nero Cain]

You are acting like my belief that Basic is scum and possibly defending someone is such a silly thing to think when you also wouldn't know if she is or not.

[Nero Cain]

but you don't know that

[Nero Cain]

like she didn't even have a town read on Creature and there were

TWO

players spouting a meta scumread on Creature. So it was pretty wonky that she was hard defending that over like nothing.

[Nero Cain]

not always but some of the times. I mean its a role madness so we cn let night actions sort her.

[Nero Cain]

Almost are you ever going to post your read list?

[Nero Cain]

mostly to play devils advocate, in a normal game you can have backups without the what the role backsup so a FBI agent without an SK seems doable.

Jason, who do you even want dead at this point?

[Nero Cain]

I very much doubt he would risk that as if there was an actual FBI agent (which is very likely in this flavor) it would mean certain death for him

lets play this out, he claims FBI agent as SK and why is that a death sentence?

[Nero Cain]

The only thing really holding me back from a Jason lynch is that fear mongering from Wisdom.

[Nero Cain]

I dont think you read what i said

you're right though, I did misread it.

[Nero Cain]

One more reason Jason is a better lynch is that Jason can be dangerous as scum when he wants to; while im pretty sure snarky will die one way or another before endgame

This is pure manipulation. Like no way Jason would be able to dodge all this persumed town power we have.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Snarky

[Nero Cain]

Have you ever SEEN a FBI agent? I haven't and I've been here longer than you.

[Nero Cain]

like there's a reason that TSO fakeclaims it all the time

[Nero Cain]

you should self vote. If you think manipulation is scummy and you are doing it then you are scum-aligned to yourself.

[Nero Cain]

I bet its a Wisdom-Gamma-Synik and some other people scumteam wich is why Wisdom is so trusting of Synik and he got angry with me when I asked Cake voters if they think Gamma is scum.